Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692980]No, dressing up is not a key component in mongering for me. Respect for the WG's is a key component for me, and that is what this discussion is about as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]Dressing spiffy might give you some additional initial traction with the uber hotties or semi-pro's as they tend to be more selective. Dressing somewhat decently will get you traction with most.

Is the discussion [I]getting the girl[/I] or having a robust personal encounter? One you couple up it is all about attitude and chemistry and how you treat them. IMO repeat visits pay big dividends as the ladies are complimented and are familiar and comfortable with you; which leads to an increased probability of a GFE / PSE.

Some punter prefer to butterfly and enjoy the thrill of the hunt. Different strokes.

SL.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692975]I'm willing to believe you. However your posts often don't reflect it. To me you don't come across as a sympathetic and emphatic man. But I realize that's based on your posts only.[/QUOTE]I think you are off base. Mr E. Has always come across as a pretty down to earth guy to me. These girls are in it for the $$ If they want to form a relationship it is generally for the money. Lose sight of that and you are in for a fall. One thing some on here forget or do not get is that this scene is a very small portion of Thai society. Certainly the outside world does not get it.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;1692591]I think I have seen someone sent away, but it _may_ have had to do with dress code. I have seen a lot of different ethnicity inside. Try dressing smart and if they don't let you in, complain to the tourist police is stationing right there. Go straight to the most senior person and ask if in Thailand racism is acceptable. No matter the outcome that will embarrass them as they deserve.[/QUOTE]I have seen many times over the years mostly Indians and Russians being held up at the door of Red Car being told "private club". They would let in the odd Russian couple but no Indians. I went there on Saturday and there were a few Russians but no Indians.

The way I understood Mr E's post had nothing to do with the girls, but instead he tried to point out that the mongers did not have to dress up to get good looking girls or service. IMHO money, personality and age are far more important than what you wear.

Completely agree to what you describe below. Went to DD once, and though they did what they told me they would do, it felt very mechanical.

On top of that, the girls were talking Thai in between all the time, which made me look like the 5th wheel in the room.

Felt bid bizarre and don't think I'll repeat a second time when I'm over there end of March.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Tomasb;1692753]I decided to check off Devils Den experience from my bucket list so utilized their services last week. I selected a couple girls from their website but when I called David, the helpful manager, I was told they were either ill or unavailable. Then, I decided it would be best to stop in to choose two girls directly.

I did want to use the rooms there as I hear they are not all that great and wanted them to come to my room as I am staying in a very nice place. When I arrived, David called the girls out and, myself, and the two punters who had arrived before me, observed the girls. I can't say that I was terribly impressed with the line up and, in fact, almost left without picking anyone but finally decided that this is as as good as it gets and I selected two blond hair vixens called Meow and Mint, both featured on their website.

Arrangements were made for them to come to my hotel at 10 pm and they arrived promptly. Meow was the friendliest of the two girls as Mint barely glanced at me upon their arrival -- a bad sign, I thought, as a little politeness goes a long way.

For a bit, there was a few awkward silences as we sat around a small table drinking some good whiskey I had purchased for the occasion. Finally, having read that it's best to take the initiative I told the girls that I liked the school girls outfits they had chosen and looked forward to their lesbian encounter. At that point, Meow took me to the shower for a cursory washing. They immediately got down to business with each other, whipping out the strap on's and vibrator. Mint went down on Meow and eventually banged her using the strap -on while I watched. Eventually, I slipped behind Mint for some tongue action on her pussy and anus, however, she objected to my finger probing in her anus even though her check list on her website said she was amenable to that digit intrusion...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1692975] To me you don't come across as a sympathetic and emphatic man. .[/QUOTE]Forceful and compassionate men are a mixed bunch.

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1693132]The way I understood Mr E's post had nothing to do with the girls, but instead he tried to point out that the mongers did not have to dress up to get good looking girls or service. IMHO money, personality and age are far more important than what you wear.[/QUOTE]Hell, in my favorite destinations (Brazil and Germany) you take your damn clothes off and walk around in a robe or just a towel! How you dress has nothing to do with it. But even in other places where I have mongered that aren't terma or FKK set-ups, as you say money, personality, looks, and hygiene have more to do with it than anything else. Who the hell cares what I'm wearing? It's all coming off anyway LOL! Wherever this conversation goes please, please, please let's not debate the pros and cons of wearing shorts not ever again! I had enough of that one man! But these guys who think you need to wine and dine and dress to the nines, I call those guys "Don Juan Johns". If you think you need to do all that, then fine. But, I'm here to tell you that you don't. Just be clean with some green in your pockets and some friendly confidence in your soul, and you can be fucking the finest tute in the cat house according to your own personal tastes. She won't give a "rip" about your clothes. Take it from seasoned, international "mongerers" who know.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1692723]There is no dress code in Walking Street Disco aka Red Car. (As a matter of fact the only hooker pickup club that I can remember ever having a dress code was the old Help in Rio de Janeiro. You just couldn't wear shorts, but I even got around that before - Imagine having to dress well to pick up hookers.) I just went in Walking Street Disco the other night wearing jean shorts and flip flops as usual. My buddy had on the same thing. If you think you might have problems just walk in like you own the place. Go straight in without looking at anybody and don't look back if you think someone is calling out to you. Even if they chase you down, look at them crazy while brushing them off and keep walking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ConquerorVal;1693132]The way I understood Mr E's post had nothing to do with the girls, but instead he tried to point out that the mongers did not have to dress up to get good looking girls or service. IMHO money, personality and age are far more important than what you wear.[/QUOTE]Yes, money, personality and age are important. But I would like to add 'respect' to that. If a club has a dress code then you have to respect that. If you don't want to respect it then don't go there. You show respect to the club AND the other visitors if you stick to the dress code. And it doesn't matter if the other visitors are hookers or not.

But even if a club has no dress code the girls who go there will dress nicely. You show respect to them if you dress nicely too. Even if there are only hookers going there.
Mr E's statement 'Imagine having to dress well to pick up hookers' does not show respect for them. They should not give a damn about his looks because he's paying them. He's buying a 'product'. Now how do you think that makes them feel?
Yes, they are hookers. But they don't want to feel like hookers.

[QUOTE=TheCane;1693171]Hell, in my favorite destinations (Brazil and Germany) you take your damn clothes off and walk around in a robe or just a towel! How you dress has nothing to do with it. But even in other places where I have mongered that aren't terma or FKK set-ups, as you say money, personality, looks, and hygiene have more to do with it than anything else. Who the hell cares what I'm wearing? It's all coming off anyway LOL! Wherever this conversation goes please, please, please let's not debate the pros and cons of wearing shorts not ever again! I had enough of that one man! But these guys who think you need to wine and dine and dress to the nines, I call those guys "Don Juan Johns". If you think you need to do all that, then fine. But, I'm here to tell you that you don't. Just be clean with some green in your pockets and some friendly confidence in your soul, and you can be fucking the finest tute in the cat house according to your own personal tastes. She won't give a "rip" about your clothes. Take it from seasoned, international "mongerers" who know.[/QUOTE]This is Asia, not Brazil and most certainly not Germany. Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't have to like it, but it's a fact.

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1693291]This is Asia, not Brazil and most certainly not Germany. Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't have to like it, but it's a fact.[/QUOTE]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693301]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.[/QUOTE]If you spend 100% of your time in farang-centric hooker bars, then it doesn't matter. If you want to get away from the farang ghetto at all, you will be far better received if you dress in a somewhat respectable fashion.

Generally speaking, the girls in tow by those fat, smelly, alcoholics in battered shorts I wouldn't fuck with a stolen dick.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693301]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.[/QUOTE]Jeeze Louise!!

Didn't we cover this one ad nauseam just a few weeks ago?

I had a feeling when MrE wrote his post that this topic would get started again.

[QUOTE=Rolodido;1693137]Completely agree to what you describe below. Went to DD once, and though they did what they told me they would do, it felt very mechanical.

On top of that, the girls were talking Thai in between all the time, which made me look like the 5th wheel in the room.

Felt bid bizarre and don't think I'll repeat a second time when I'm over there end of March.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree.

The whole experience is really worth it if you want to do something outrageous. Like DP one of the girls (you with your dick, the other girl with a strap on). I did that a few years back, just to get it out of my system. LOL.

Otherwise the girls really aren't all that hot and the sex is pretty mechanical...

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1693301]In SEA, I have seen the fattest, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics towing along very young girls just because they have money in their pockets. Working women in SEA are totally fake and if anyone thinks that you have to dress up to pickup hookers, they must be in dire straits. Flash your money and they will come running. Well, I shower and dress well but not for the hookers but for myself as this is my everyday lifestyle. I'll pick the girl I want, not one who thinks that I'll shower unnecessary money on a hooker. This is SEA, not Braizl, Germany or well dressed countries.[/QUOTE]And how do you think those young girls feel in the company of those 'fat, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics'?
And do you think they even have the slightest respect for these guys?

It's true, you don't HAVE to dress up to pickup hookers. Money is all you need.
But if you want to give AND receive some respect then you dress nicely (and you behave nicely, smell good etcetera etcetera). That doesn't mean you have to wear a tuxedo of course. Closed shoes, long pants and a nice (t-) shirt will do most of the time.

It's like Phordphan says: Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't get their respect if you're ignoring that.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1693317]And how do you think those young girls feel in the company of those 'fat, smelly, wearing old battered shorts and tee shirts, alcoholics'?
And do you think they even have the slightest respect for these guys?

It's true, you don't HAVE to dress up to pickup hookers. Money is all you need.
But if you want to give AND receive some respect then you dress nicely (and you behave nicely, smell good etcetera etcetera). That doesn't mean you have to wear a tuxedo of course. Closed shoes, long pants and a nice (t-) shirt will do most of the time.

It's like Phordphan says: Asians place a lot of emphasis on appearance. You don't get their respect if you're ignoring that.[/QUOTE]So speak the 2 week millionaire. Listen all your doing in running around in your fancy clothes is telling these ladies yes I can afford to pay you more than the.

Other guy. There is a difference of looking for a GF with a legit job and a hooker. Now I am not saying the other extreme of a slob wearing the same clothes.

For a week and not bathing is a chick magnet, but there is a happy medium. First and foremost these ladies are looking for a payoff from a decent guy who they.

Have nothing to worry about. I'll bet that Mr. E can get the same girl you are lusting after for at least 33% less because he knows the game here (BTW E I live here.

And anytime you want to grab a beer let me know I'm a big fan of yours). Your really only fooling yourself in thinking that there impressed with your flashy lifestyle.

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