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[QUOTE=Balto1;1437870]What is the best way to avoid this type of situation as stated below.[/QUOTE]Bang chicas before you are too drunk to get wood, and spend 15 minutes with the chica, and make sure she is not poison.
You could just overpay and go to Passions, and not worry about anything!
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[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1437817]I agree it is very common for children to be sick. And it may be equally impossible to know if the woman is lying or not. With that understood, I still don't see any justification for a monger to take on the responsibility of sending her money even if she is telling the truth. I can dig the analogy and the personal example you offered. But there is one very distinct variable that makes the issue different. You are talking about a chica right in front of you. And you are in the DR with her.
Thats not the same as a guy in his own country, with a favorita on the phone or computer trying to get something extra for her baby, and can't offer services. When they discover how to WU pussy, then I might consider the idea of negotiation in the friendly spirit you suggest. Since I have nothing to lose, and likely will have no problem enjoying a chica, I'd rather bet the 50% that the chica is lying. And take my chances. When I start seeing skeletons of children lying around some chicas apt, then I'll start feeling ashamed that I didn't send any money.[/QUOTE]-Your right again.But guys believe what they want to believe-The chicas constantly test you-They have a child.really never seen the child with her-Oh my mother watches her in Santo Domingo.Oh while your in Sosua drinking partying and having a good time making more in one night than most Dominicans make in a 60 hr week. Yea hold on I got to get a tissue and a fucin' violin.
[QUOTE=Don Antonio;1437866]In the last 36 hrs, I have personally witnessed two shake-downs of tourist mongers by a combination of Dominican puta / policia / fiscal.[/QUOTE]El Batey is very small and the chica network is alive. I wonder if these types of success stories will encourage other chicas to look for more shakedowns.
I guess this is the home court advantage someone alluded to earlier. If you meet a scam artist, its better to cut your loses. If you deal with enough chicas, its inevitable that you will eventually run into a confrontational situation.
The fact that its a buyers market or that you have the pesos doesn't insulate you from becoming a mark. Some guys think it will never happen to them because it never has and they're too smart to get caught in a shakedown. Maybe so, may not, who knows? After all, even the owner of Rocky's got caught up in a shakedown sometime after getting involved with a monger who was in a shakedown himself.
Keep in mind that these are those innocent little chicas that are not really putas; they are only scamming you because they need your money for pampers because pampers are very expensive in the DR.
[QUOTE=Balto1;1437870]What is the best way to avoid this type of situation as stated below.[/QUOTE]1. Don't get drunk.
2. Don't shake people.
3. Stick to Haitianas.
4. Make sure you have a good rapport with your bed partner.
5. Don't look for bareback with women you don't know. If you do, make sure everything is agreed on, for example is she on the pill, will you come inside or outside. Avoid coercing.
6. Make sure she leaves happy.
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[QUOTE=Balto1;1437870]What is the best way to avoid this type of situation as stated below.[/QUOTE]-Let's examine case 1-the guy was FUCIN" drunk seems he was polluted by the report-the girl-like a wolf saw the DOPE as perfect prey-She's hardcore has the right connections must have known he was just a vacationer-these girls are very smart-Wants to just sleep with him-YEAH RIGHT-He passes out just like she planned-She takes 1, 500 pesos-she 's robbing him-In his drunkin stupor he grabs and shakes her-BET HE LEFT MARKS-this part of the story I don't understand-She just tried to rob him he attacks her-they go have a drink ?? then back to the room to sleep and he's arrested the next day. Doesn't make sense. Anyway-How to avoid this DON"T FUCIN" DRINK! And DON'T EVER TOUCH A GIRL IN A HARMING WAY-DRUNKS ARE BAD JUDGES OF THEIR STRENGTH WHEN THEY ARE DRUNK AND ANGRY.
Next case-Well did he do it? She accuses him.Well was he drunk like the last idiot? Seems to me if he just sat at the adjacent bar drinking a beer he was probably drunk-but this has too many maybe's.
How to avoid this stuff-be low-keyed.try to find out if anybody else has been with the girl you want to get with. Don't drink and get drunk-and me personally in bed by 11 pm ALONE.
[QUOTE=PolloLocito; 1437823]While we are on off topic.
I always ask if the girl got kids as fast as I can without making it weird. If they got kids I simply move along to next chica in line.
Is there anyone who knows what the high-up politicians makes a month in salario en DR?[/QUOTE]Maximum $10K US per month including all perks and expenses as per Danilo edict.
[QUOTE=OldKool;1437737]I have been in homes of local working people. THey buy food for one day at a time. They are in a state of constant need. The girls have to buy food, utilities and rent. Often they live with extended family. They never know if they will have food. The putas are from this enviroment in most cases. When they leave the home it makes it easier for the rest of the family. They send money to the family to support the children they most often have. I have compassion for them. Why don't they get a job? LOL The jobs are hard to fine and offer very low pay. Every peso is precious. DR folk work harder for less then any place I have been. If you take the time to look. People selling fruit making 2 dollars a day working 10 hours. We can not save the world but I if I can put a smile a child face or make a young ladies time with me more pleasurable I am all for it. I am not falling in love with anyone but I choose to be kind and generous when possible. So far Karma has been great for me.[/QUOTE]Sounds very syrupy OldKool, but none of that changes anything. If a chica is dishonest or trying to hustle a monger out of his money. It is foolish to honor that request. Now after saying all of that. Are you giving money to chicas even if they are lying to you? Better yet. Are you sending or have you sent chicas money to the DR (for the things you claim they lack) when you are back home? If you arent sending money, and only giving it when you see them. Then you are double talking. Which means your POV has no credibility. And if you are. Then the phrase a fool and his money are soon parted is fitting.
[QUOTE=Frannie;1437820]I don't think the solution is really to send money after you have heard that a child you know has died, even if that salves your conscience a bit.[/QUOTE]Guess it's not plausible the chica who lost a child, may have other children? But you're right. Sending money is not the solution after hearing that a child you know has died. We wouldn't want her other children to get any of that money now would we?
[QUOTE=Frannie; 1437891]1. Don't get drunk.
2. Don't shake people.
3. Stick to Haitianas.
4. Make sure you have a good rapport with your bed partner.
5. Don't look for bareback with women you don't know. If you do, make sure everything is agreed on, for example is she on the pill, will you come inside or outside. Avoid coercing.
6. Make sure she leaves happy.[/QUOTE]All excellent points. In the first case the monger committed assault and battery forcing the chica to hand over 1500 pesos he believed she stole. If he behaved in a civilized way and simply asked her about it he might have been out the 1500 pesos but probably not the 60k. In the second we aren't told what really happened but the chica was loudly complaining of being assaulted also.
Most "scams" are based on some element of guilt on the victims part. In both theses cases if the monger told the simple truth he would likely be admitting to a crime. Perhaps a crime that sounds worse that it seemed at the time (shaking would be described as felony assault and battery in the US too) but it's not a bald lie by the chica.
It's also very true that Dominicanas are on their home turf and may be connected to people in the system, Haitianas are at the mercy of the system and are extremely unlikely to do this.
If they don't have an uncle in policia both may cast evil spells on you using surprisingly similar magical technology.
When you monger for a while you meet all kinds of girls. From hard core to church girls. Sending money or being relied on to send money is an error. What I am saying is that these girls have tough lives. The ones that have money are not associating with guys like us. I have made friends with some DR girls. Pros and non pros. I treat them the same. I do not look down on any of them. Some cheat and scam I think the majority are just trying to survive. If one of these girls has a small problem I am not oppose to helping. It is always a judgement call.
[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1437901]Sounds very syrupy OldKool, but none of that changes anything. If a chica is dishonest or trying to hustle a monger out of his money. It is foolish to honor that request. Now after saying all of that. Are you giving money to chicas even if they are lying to you? Better yet. Are you sending or have you sent chicas money to the DR (for the things you claim they lack) when you are back home? If you arent sending money, and only giving it when you see them. Then you are double talking. Which means your POV has no credibility. And if you are. Then the phrase a fool and his money are soon parted is fitting.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=OldKool;1437912]When you monger for a while you meet all kinds of girls. From hard core to church girls. Sending money or being relied on to send money is an error. What I am saying is that these girls have tough lives. The ones that have money are not associating with guys like us. I have made friends with some DR girls. Pros and non pros. I treat them the same. I do not look down on any of them. Some cheat and scam I think the majority are just trying to survive. If one of these girls has a small problem I am not oppose to helping. It is always a judgement call.[/QUOTE]He said he got old being kool, not by being a fool. But you say the girls have tough lives. Compared to what? If it is the way they grew up and the way they are used to then I don't see anything tough about it. If you are comparing it to your life then therein lies the problem. Because next to Bill Gates or Puff Daddy I'm sure many of us have tough lives as well.
[QUOTE=Marc Anthony; 1437910]All excellent points. In the first case the monger committed assault and battery forcing the chica to hand over 1500 pesos he believed she stole. If he behaved in a civilized way and simply asked her about it he might have been out the 1500 pesos but probably not the 60k. In the second we aren't told what really happened but the chica was loudly complaining of being assaulted also.
Most "scams" are based on some element of guilt on the victims part. In both theses cases if the monger told the simple truth he would likely be admitting to a crime. Perhaps a crime that sounds worse that it seemed at the time (shaking would be described as felony assault and battery in the US too) but it's not a bald lie by the chica.
It's also very true that Dominicanas are on their home turf and may be connected to people in the system, Haitianas are at the mercy of the system and are extremely unlikely to do this.
If they don't have an uncle in policia both may cast evil spells on you using surprisingly similar magical technology.[/QUOTE]I'm no legal expert, but IT think the shaking would be a misdemeanor in the US due to lack of permanent injury.
It is all small stuff compared to the casino scam, but both cases could easily have been settled on the spot for less than $100.
Not having money to buy food or medicine, Having lousy or no jobs. Raising children by yourself. By any measurement these people are poor. You were a pimp so having compassion for other people is beyond you. Fucking ugly men for money or working 50 hours week for $25. Their lives suck.
[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1437914]He said he got old being kool, not by being a fool. But you say the girls have tough lives. Compared to what? If it is the way they grew up and the way they are used to then I don't see anything tough about it. If you are comparing it to your life then therein lies the problem. Because next to Bill Gates or Puff Daddy I'm sure many of us have tough lives as well.[/QUOTE]