Manila

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226859]Obviously you view women as simply the means of conveying around orifices that are all identical and interchangeable. You don't see women as having any redeeming social value except to have orifices into which you will stick your dick.

I truly feel sorry for you. You don't know what you are missing.[/QUOTE]How is that obvious? We are talking about prostitutes here; women that actively exchange sex for money. Of course I am not going to treat anyone in a negative manner, but no I do not look at them as my friend or someone to feel special about. We are conducting business. I have women that are not prostitutes that I can feel genuinely as such about. I'm not about paying someone to allow me to feel special about them. I am paying them to fuck them and not to get emotions or sentiments involved.

Unless I misunderstood your post, I interpreted you as saying that the better you treat the hooker and the more you are willing to shell out to her or on her, then the better the sex will be. That is why it threw me off when you started talking about not showing her you are a low class Cheap Charlie. I'm thinking what does she care, she is in it for a set fee to begin with. As long as she gets the X amount of pesos in the agreement she should not care what you are. I will tell a chick in a minute. Of course I have money, but that does not mean I am going to give it to you or spend it on you. Call me cheap all you want. It is always the broke chick that will call you cheap in order to guilt you into spending money on her. I didn't pay all that money for school to fall for Mickey Mouse shit like that.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226859]Obviously you view women as simply the means of conveying around orifices that are all identical and interchangeable. You don't see women as having any redeeming social value except to have orifices into which you will stick your dick.[/QUOTE]The issue with Philippines is the blurred lines. There are Filipinas that are clearly setup in the traditional way of western prosti. Then there are the part-time freelancers that go with foreigners knowing that they will get some reward. Further still are the Filipina that will not consider themselves as being paid for sex but are happy knowing that they get extra cash for their family, study, house etc.

Over the past two years I've paid for a lot of sex in Philippines very little of which has been spent in commercial setups with prosti.

For me I am paying for the image of a 'partner' rather than just a sex.

BD.

Hi Seniors.

Will be visiting first time philipones, so quite excited about same. If any fellow member have time to catch during October (25_28), do ping or reply.

Thank you.

Inblr01.

Bangalore.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226865]How is that obvious? We are talking about prostitutes here; women that actively exchange sex for money. Of course I am not going to treat anyone in a negative manner, but no I do not look at them as my friend or someone to feel special about. We are conducting business. [/QUOTE]Wouldn't a blow-up doll or a battery-operated masturbation tube be cheaper in the long run?

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2226630]Been to Starbucks lately?[/QUOTE]Hell no. I wouldn't drink that burnt garbage if it was free. I have been to Doi Chang several times though. I pay the price listed on the menu like everyone else.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2226639]I pay double or triple for a good cup of coffee in a foreign country. I pay double or triple for a great fuck. I pay double or triple for a great meal. I am not alone in this.[/QUOTE]LOL!

Do you do that voluntarily or what? Most things like coffee and sex are less expensive throughout Southeast Asia than in the West. I wonder how you do that? Just triple the menu price for a cappuccino and hand it over? Does it make your coffee taste better?

An iced latte where I live in Asia is $2. Back in the US it would be $3 - $5. What should I do oh wizard of the economics?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2226728]I'll bite. The situation in BKK was not analagous with the situation in Manila. In BKK, the driver was appropriately running his meter, and the customer was being an asshole (not saying he deserved what happened). In my case in Manila, several drivers in a row purposely attempted a scam. However I think your point is that at anytime someone other than yourself (the driver in the BKK case) could go off the rails and do something stupid.[/QUOTE]That's one of my points. Business owners who rip off others for a living don't tend to be the most humanistic of people. It's not out of the realm of possibilities for something similar to happen in the Philippines for even less, especially if someone attempts to just walk away as you suggest. After all the murder rate per 100,000 people in Thailand is a relatively high 3. 24 while in the Philippines it's a whopping 11.32!

One of the many reasons I visit the Philippines less than any other country in Southeast Asia (except Brunei) even though I'm a short flight away is stuff like this. Some Bangkok taxis try it on, but you can always find a legit driver quickly. In a place like Manila they base their life around ripping people off. It's disheartening and disgusting.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2226805]Chuckle. I agree that in the states poor people often vote against their economic interests. Two possible explanations. One, many are not very bright and are easily duped by smart people with money and access to a public microphone to use in marketing and lobbying to protect (and increase) their own wealth. Two, in a country that entertains the individualistic value that people succeed by pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps, many poor people entertain the myth that they too will someday be wealthy, so they want institutions in place that will support their imagined future run at riches. I'd love to know why this pattern exists in Singapore as well.

Keep in mind that most taxi drivers in the Philippines, as elsewhere, do not own their own taxis. So cab drivers are small business owners only in the sense that they own their own time. In the Philippines most taxis are owned in fleets by wealthier individuals. In an earlier post GE explained the substantial daily lease that drivers pay to owners, in addition to paying for the fuel they consume. So profit for the fleet owners turns only indirectly on the individual fare rates. More directly, their profit turns on the daily lease rate that they charge to the drivers. So the politics about fares affects the drivers more directly than the owners, and, as I suggested earlier, the drivers, as poor people, don't heft very much clout in changing the system.[/QUOTE]If they don't have a boss and work for a wage they're independent contractors. That is, they're small business owners. Doesn't matter if they rent tools. Construction guys often rent tools too, like heavy machinery when they need it. They can't buy it so they rent. They're small business owners, not big business. Still business though.

Small business owners don't have much clout, just like homeless people and the unemployed. They are individualistic, not united, and incapable of shutting anything down. Big corporations control vast swaths of the economy. They can shut down things with a single command. They also have enormous sway over the government. Subway drivers in New York have a lot of clout. They're organized, united, and capable of bringing the biggest city in the US to a halt. That's just how it goes.

If someone doesn't like driving a taxi, or if it proves to be an unprofitable business, they could always try getting another job. Or they could murder a passenger over fifty cents instead. Either way.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226847]It is often said that in the cheap ghetto area of Santa Fe you can find the same chicks that you will see in more upscale places. Many guys never believe it, but those of us in the know know how true it is. [/QUOTE]Yep! In Phnom Penh all the ladies who charge unwitting Asian guys $200 for a 20 minute fuck at Darlin Darlin are seen at Pontoon and similar places after hours drunk where they easily agree to fuck white and Khmer guys for $30, or even for free!

Guys DG8787 is a joke, as I've been informed. Look through some of his posts.

[QUOTE=Dg8787]3 months ago I took the Yellow taxi from T1 a Pasay hotel. As he left the airport I reminded him to turn on the meter. He acted like he did but didn't. At the hotel he said the meter must have broke and said 400 for about a 120 pesos fare. I got my bags out and had the hotel people take them inside. I paid him 150 and afterwards realized I was too nice about it. This time I wasn't.

2 times out of 2 trys and I am believing this is standard operating procedure again for Yellow taxis. I suggest we make this our SOP to patiently get your bags out and walk away if this happens to you.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=2136847&viewfull=1#post2136847[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dg8787]I arrived at Terminal 1 and got a Yellow taxi to Makati hotel. We took the skyway and there was no traffic to speak of. Getting on to the skyway I noticed the meter was already past 200. I mentioned he had a fast meter but he said it was working fine. By the time we got to my hotel the meter was 675 pesos. I just patiently got my bags out and got the hotel guys to take my baggage inside then confronted the driver about the meter. I said usual charge was 250 and I would pay him that. He proceeded to argue about it and I dropped my offer down to 150.

Then he said he would take 250 and I told him that it was too late for 250. He argued a bit more and I decided to screw him and walked away. My last words to him was "you tried to screw me and now I am screwing you, you lost today".[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=2136469&viewfull=1#post2136469[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dg8787]I pay double or triple for a good cup of coffee in a foreign country. I pay double or triple for a great fuck. I pay double or triple for a great meal. I am not alone in this.

I am willing to pay extra for the value. Sometimes the cheapest is not the cheapest!

In my profession I easily charge double and get it. I pass on cheap Charlies simply because they do not understand the value of anything nor the economics of it.

Now sex related, I have paid double and have received triple value.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=2226639&viewfull=1#post2226639[/URL]

He pays double and triple for everything without problem, unless it's a yellow taxi. Then he's a cheap charlie. LOL!

Hi guys,

I've known and girl for sometime and she agreed for threesome with a friend of hers. I'm visiting Manila again this week, want to try that with her. Anyone can tell me how to get two girls into a room in hotel? (4/5 Star). I mean do I book fir 2 people and just have the second girl come up directly or hotel creates issues? Any advice?

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2226639].....

In my profession I easily charge double and get it. I pass on cheap Charlies simply because they do not understand the value of anything nor the economics of it.

......[/QUOTE]I ran an independent consultancy for a few years. After getting a few assignments to build my credibility, I doubled my prices. This also doubled my business or quadrupled my income. One client when informed of my doubling my rates said that he was initially not going to hire me because if I thought that I was only worth my initial rate then I was not worth his business. I explained that the initial rate was a bit of a loss leader to get the initial track record established and he laughed while signing a contract at the new rate.

There is a tendency to value something based on what you pay for it but I always found in business that if you treat your suppliers well they will return the favour in some manner, either faster delivery, upgrades, advance notice of new products and sales or making you a favoured customer when supplies are tight. You treat them well by not quibbling over nickles and dimes, paying promptly and accepting that they are human and will also make occasional mistakes.

Mongering business is the same. The girls are experts at sizing us up, they know when they are going with a gentleman or a cheap charlie and act accordingly.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2226945]LOL!

Do you do that voluntarily or what? Most things like coffee and sex are less expensive throughout Southeast Asia than in the West. I wonder how you do that? Just triple the menu price for a cappuccino and hand it over? Does it make your coffee taste better?

An iced latte where I live in Asia is $2. Back in the US it would be $3 - $5. What should I do oh wizard of the economics?[/QUOTE]Quality is the key word here. It is hard to find a good cup of coffee in PH. A good cup of coffee costing twice as much as a cheap cup is worth it to me. I voluntary pay the double price for a cup of good quality coffee.

A quality night fucking a beautiful girl is worth twice the price of a regular girl to me. Yes, I voluntary pay it.

[QUOTE=SoapySmith;2226921]Wouldn't a blow-up doll or a battery-operated masturbation tube be cheaper in the long run?[/QUOTE]LOL. Man I don't even like fucking the same woman over and over. You think I am going to want to fuck the same blow up doll? For me it is about the variety, and not a hole to fuck or someone to make me feel special. And my mix usually consists of 70% non-pros and 30% chicks I have to pay. So I don't need the pocket pussy at all.

[QUOTE=DCups;2226857]You must work in sales. I understand what you are saying but as others have pointed out the price paid does not always reflect the value received. I pay my main squeeze in the Caribbean 4000 pesos (roughly $88), twice the normal amount, but she's drop dead gorgeous 42 F cup tits (not fat) and lets me video the whole thing, always provides superb service with a big smile. She's fucking awesome![/QUOTE]I am in the investment field. I know the value of a dollar.

True others have not received value for the price paid as I have too. And other times we have received more than the price paid.

You have paid your girl double and have received more than double in value.