Bangkok Reports

Was in BKK the first part of December and was looking at the talent on Soi Cowboy. A few years ago I had stopped in at After School and while there had that sudden urge. So I had some girls join me in naughty boy corner and fix that urge. This time I went in to have a drink and see what was going on. Not much happening and the girls didn't seem interested in going to the corner for with anyone in there. After 30 minutes or so I left and found a companion for the night.

My question, has After School dropped the corner activities? There were some girls working but it was not over crowded with them.

[quote=chill out; 1243105]@rocksof: we are talking 1500 st correct? i've had that as well, you are right that it's not that hard. but let's specify the bars as well. i've never tried negotiating in the rainbows although i'm sure it's doable, just never been bothered to. in mandarin, erotica and the second-tier bars, i have and it worked. where did you get your 1500 st and when?

for 1000 st or 2000 lt as claimed by goatscrot and tiger 888 respectively, i would love to know how they do it as that's basically half of the asking rate. i don't question it's doable, just would like to know more about which bars this has worked in, how much "nos" they get vs "yes", etc.

for all the guys who say some of us overpay, this is the time to tell us how it's done. if i'm not mistaken it's been quite a while since prices have been discussed here.[/quote]chill, i don't take gogo girls as a rule (i have always preferred fls, although now i am an oily guy). i speak pretty good thai, and that turns off quite a few of them, but when you are able to joke with them in their language it wins points. i normally talk a bit nasty with them in thai and those that respond can be good to go. those that are offended, well, i move on. i have also lived here for 12 years and have been around the bars (especially cowboy) on quite a few evenings over the last decade. i am quite direct with girls about what i pay and what i expect in return. while looks are important, so is performance. if a gal won't accept my offer or my terms, i simply move on. there is always tomorrow night or tomorrow afternoon at the oilies, so if a gal is not interested, mai pen rai! the longer i am here the less i want to interact with bar girls. i find them to be quite boring same song and dance, so for me it is about great service and then getting out of there. i am not looking for a date or a companion. i want a great session. sweet girls are a turn off for me. i like gals with dirty minds who actually like the act of sex and have just happened to find out they can make money doing it. that is why i prefer fls. they normally don't make promises they don't intend to keep.

beautiful thing about thermae in years past (not now) is that all the gals would exchange stories about the regular guys. you would go with a gal and she would know what you liked and would even comment on your size before she saw you naked. kind of a fun little [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord130][CodeWord130][/url] place back in the day.

i fully understand that those on holiday have a far different agenda than mine. bkk affords many different things to different people and that is what is great about it. residents have an advantage, and that is time.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1243105]If I'm not mistaken it's been quite a while since prices have been discussed here.[/QUOTE]We are desperately missing this! LOL

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1243228]I speak pretty good Thai, and that turns off quite a few of them, but when you are able to joke with them in their language it wins points. I normally talk a bit nasty with them in Thai and those that respond can be good to go. Those that are offended, well, I move on.[/QUOTE]Yes, speaking ugly Thai will turn off most classier type of girls. Talking nasty / dirty should be confined to English. Non-Thais just don't understand how bad impolite Thai can sound. I was shocked to hear the bar-girl say she was "ngian" as this would be a forbidden word for many. So guys should be very careful what words are used till know the girl better.

While on the subject of the high end g-club girls, I'd like to visit the other end of the spectrum, the girls who service the common, blue collar Thai man. For example, where do the construction workers, taxi drivers, fishermen, and garbage collectors go for p4p fun? I think many cheap charlies or hard core mongers would like to know where this kind of p4p can be found. Not saying anyone would confine themselves to this, but it would be an interesting option to have, when other options are exhausted or just want a change of scenery.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1243291]Yes, speaking ugly Thai will turn off most classier type of girls. Talking nasty / dirty should be confined to English. Non-Thais just don't understand how bad impolite Thai can sound. I was shocked to hear the bar-girl say she was "ngian" as this would be a forbidden word for many. So guys should be very careful what words are used till know the girl better.[/QUOTE]Syz, Same Same in the West. Some folks are easily offended. I want a working girl that has no issues with being nasty, that is why I hit them with "ngian" and "Pom Yaak Yet" pretty quickly, with a sheepish smile on my face. If they laugh, then I have found a good sport, if they scowl and leave, well. The test has proved its point.

These are "bar girls," they have had quite a few see*ks in them. Having an issue about being naughty is a flaw for one in that occupation.

Now of course in any other setting I watch my Ps and Qs.

[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1243074]I have until last year always gotten LT for 2000 Baht. Even in Rainbow. Not sure if it still can be had. I am not going to places where they charge 150+ baht for a beer. That is a day's salary for some locals.[/QUOTE]To Tiger 888.

I was at Rainbow 4 2 days ago they want 2000 st and 3000 LT the best looking one will not budge, some will go down to 2500 LT and barfine is now 600 Bht

Bangkok is no bargin anymore but it is still much cheaper than the US and HK.

Fast Eddie 48

Goatscrot, good post and good points!

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1243120]In fact, some girls will not do LT when they can do ST 5-6 times per night.[/QUOTE]I think the 5 or 6 times a night is a myth. Often I take a stunner out and I'm her first client of the night at 11-12 PM (on weekdays). Weekend nights get busier but even then I doubt most do more than 2 or 3 clients per night. Correct me if I am wrong on this.

[quote=chill out; 1243418]goatscrot, good post and good points!

i think the 5 or 6 times a night is a myth. often i take a stunner out and i'm her first client of the night at 11-12 pm (on weekdays). weekend nights get busier but even then i doubt most do more than 2 or 3 clients per night. correct me if i am wrong on this.[/quote]let's look into it more scientifically.

say the agogos really start around 8pm. before that time not much moves. in soi cowboy, you see the girls still eating outside of their bars.

say also that after 2 am, not much will happen too, especially on a weekday.

that leaves 6 hours of effective working time.

how long do you think an average st will take? first the girl has to chat up her customer, drink her ladydrink, negotiate price & conditions, that will easily take half an hour (at least). then when the deal is made, she goes and change into her normal clothes and joins her man to go to his hotel: again all this can easily take another 20 minutes to half an hour. checking in, going to the room, cuddle, hug & kiss a bit, have a drink, showering (most want to shower separately) , peeling her out of her towel: if you can do that in 15 minutes you have rushed it, more likely again 20 minutes to half an hour.

before you can start making love to her, she is perhaps already "working" one and a half hour. performing her services will vary wildly i guess, but on the average let's use a figure of about 45 minutes. then shower again, get dressed and go back to the agogo. perhaps she has a bite of food before going back "on duty".

easily a short time "one pop" can take her off line for up to 3 hours. if she can do 2 st clients a night, every night, she is probably considered one of the top performers in her bar.

and this tallies well when you compare the st and lt prices: about 2000 st and 3000 lt. if the girls would do an average of 3 sts a night then the lt price should be much more. i think most are happy if they can do one st a night and i would not be surprised that many go home without having done any st at all.

actually, a girl i took from suzie wong last december (3000 baht. lt) told me her main income is from ladydrinks. and a lt makes her miss most of that income. to her that explained the difference between st and lt prices and this confirmed my opinion that most girls do at most perhaps one st a night and perhaps not even every night.

of course, the above is a typical "agogo" scenario. it would be totally different in a pattaya "soi 6" bar with in-house st rooms, where you can be in-and-out in 30 minutes.

Yes Wolvenvacht, I also did the same thinking re:time and reached similar conclusions :)

Even if a girl was taken by a costumer immediately on coming to the bar and immediately again each time she comes back from a ST, she wouldn't have time to do this more than 2 or 3 times. And as we all know, even beautiful girls can dance a few rounds before getting called by a customer, if they get called at all. Then most costumers take 30 minutes or more before they barfine.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1243432]I think most are happy if they can do one ST a night and I would not be surprised that many go home without having done any ST at all.[/QUOTE]Yes that's accurate for gogos in my experience. Less so in soapies where they get more costumers; almost all customers who get in partake; customers decide faster and do the deed faster. I have a good friend working in a high-end soapie, she knows when she goes to work that she will get at least a customer and probably more. But she only works 2 or 3 days a week.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1243347]While on the subject of the high end g-club girls, I'd like to visit the other end of the spectrum, the girls who service the common, blue collar Thai man. For example, where do the construction workers, taxi drivers, fishermen, and garbage collectors go for p4p fun? I think many cheap charlies or hard core mongers would like to know where this kind of p4p can be found. Not saying anyone would confine themselves to this, but it would be an interesting option to have, when other options are exhausted or just want a change of scenery.[/QUOTE]Hi Tony,

Befriend a taxi driver and he will show you a whole new world. Not one I would like to live in however. Girls who primarily service Thai's provide a very basic service, that is what Thai's are looking for. A GFE is not generally on offer, nor is it deemed necessary. Sure the price is low, short time really is short time! The girls service an amazing number of clients per day. We are talking low end here, not top end oilies.

I get a taxi from the airport to Sukhumvit Soi 19 frequently. The route goes past two separate groups of street walkers waiting for mainly Thai customers, my driver always slows down to walking pace and chats to them through the open passenger window, like the rest of us, he seeks the perfect outlet. He never pays more than 400 short time and always uses the back seat! This area, he says, is quite expensive but the girls are pretty and young. He lives out at Rangsit and has been with some truly awful girls, cheap though. He can get laid for what I spend on breakfast.

We seek, I hope, performance over price, but our fragile egos demand a GFE. Thai's laugh at this and think us weak. From Patpong to Cowboy and all points between, there are some treasures to be found still, no point in worrying about prices too much, worry about maximising enjoyment!

Tuck

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht; 1243432]Let's look into it more scientifically. (snip)

Actually, a girl I took from Suzie Wong last December (3000 baht. LT) told me her main income is from ladydrinks. And a LT makes her miss most of that income. To her that explained the difference between ST and LT prices and this confirmed my opinion that most girls do at most perhaps one ST a night and perhaps not even every night.[/QUOTE]Or, less scientifically.

Some of them hate spending any more time with a customer than the absolutely have to. And, they just want to get home to eat, and sleep with their boyfriend, or girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1243347]I'd like to visit the other end of the spectrum, the girls who service the common, blue collar Thai man. For example, where do the construction workers, taxi drivers, fishermen, and garbage collectors go for p4p fun? I think many cheap charlies or hard core mongers would like to know where this kind of p4p can be found.[/QUOTE]Two places for you to check out.

1) Area south Khao San Road, roughly bounded by Ratchadamnoen Klang, Tanao, Bunsiri and Atsadang roads. Smelly and dirty area, lots of trash and homeless people around. This is the lowest of the low, many streetwalkers at various times of day or night 300-500 baht. They may ask for more when they see a white face, but if you bargain most go for the low price. Many ST hotels there don't like Farang, but one or two are OK (100 baht extra for the hotel). [url]http://g.co/maps/q3x77[/url]

2) Yaowarat / Maitri Chit traffic circle area, walking route as suggested on the map: [url]http://g.co/maps/g6b2f[/url] Slightly cleaner than the first area, but still way down low. Streetwalkers from 300-700 baht, some real lookers near the upper end of the range, but universally crappy service. Several mainland Chinese girls mixed in, service usually worse than the worst Thai.

Warning: You'll only have fun in these areas if you enjoy slums and the thrill of the search. Don't try this for service quality or convenience.

A gogo girl offered me 1000 ST before. Meaning I didn't have to negotiate. It was her asking price.

She wasn't ugly or fat, cute and late 20s, but it was the low season and it wasn't one of the more popular gogos, so she likely just needed some money.

Her sales tactic worked because I said yes and had quite a nice time with her.

Other than that, I pay 1500 ST every time. Have only had a couple young pretty snotty girls refuse it. Everyone else has accepted no problem.