Santo Domingo

[QUOTE=Cam442;2714230]As SubCmdr mentioned to me, I should vetted her better at a nearby place and started with 2 k pesos + 500 if I like her, instead of going off her price. Most important, never let anyone control any situation.[/QUOTE]I've been talking to chicas online in the Dominican Republic for close to 8 years. One of the things I don't need is pretend girl friends. I've always had real ones. When I am looking for strange, Tinder never seems to run short and unlike others I do not avoid them. I have not found them to be hard core. One main reason, hard core girls want to fuck now. I'm always on the long game. Hard core girls do not want to talk to you normally. You know, good morning, how are your feeling? Have you ate?(small talk). So my vetting is done strictly online now. After chatting with so many chicas my experience tells me when I need to put someone on the shelf. Scammers become evident. This is a right now culture. So, in the words of someone else "to each their own".

But when I was new to all this in the Dominican Republic, I did exactly as I suggested. New girls got invited to a coffee, lunch or a drink. Then the assessment could be made in person. As I got more comfortable I dropped that and started inviting girls directly to my apartment. Built up quite a reputation I might add. Dominicans watch you do everything and then they talk about it amongst themselves.

Now, I don't invite girls to my apartment if they are not one of my girlfriends. I pick them up and take them to a cabana. I vet on my way there. I have been sitting in the garage of the cabana negotiating with a girl who did not want just 1500 DOP. She insisted on 3000 DOP. I told her I would back my vehicle out right now and take her back home. She was like wait wait. I told her I would give her 2000 DOP. We had a great session and she had a body on her. Was this last minute negotiation a problem? Not for me. I was happy with the session. And she told me to hit her back anytime I wanted to see here again.

It is sex for money. I don't complicate that with the search for GFE. Why? Cause I don't need to pay for GFE. I got real GFE and it winds of costing me a plenty in time and money.

Hang tough Cam442. It is going to get better. Glad I could help a brother out.

[QUOTE=Durandpaul;2714484]But those places are managed by huslers. Only spend money on your drink and the $100 for the girl you like. And use uber if you take a girl home. Don't use those cab drivers outside.[/QUOTE]After paying $10 for 1 drink and $100 for a girl, you might as well use the taxis outside. They will come out to be less of a rip off than the other 2.

You will always do better sourcing your pussy on your own. No matter how you choose to do it. The better your Spanish, the more options you have open to you. Money can only take you so far. Sometimes you even need a referral to get an agency to deal with you where they charge 150 - 300 hour.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2713701] And of course the old word of mouth. You say you are already plugged in with chicks that will introduce you to other chicks. Why not continue to use them?///////Usually people with a well-established pipeline of chicks do not come asking where to get more chicks. They would just get them from the same place their well-established pipeline came from.[/QUOTE]I am looking to meet girls outside of my usual pipeline for two reasons. First, I like variety. My current pipeline (in San Pedro de Marcoris) can provide me with more girls than I could possibly have sex with, but the chicas are remarkably similar in most respects, especially age (they are starting to average almost 30 years old, not a bad age, but it used to be more like 20-22). Second, and most importantly, they all seem to know each other. As a result, I occasionally get an outraged message (or call) from one girl complaining that I am seeing her cousin when I should have been spending my time with her! I am not certain that these girls are all true cousins, but they seem to think that they are one family. There seems to be almost no way to be with one of these girls without many others in their peer group knowing about my activities.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2713701]To me a non-pro (non-prostitute) is a chick that does not fuck for money. So it sounds weird for you to say you are looking for chicks that don't fuck for money so that you can pay them for sex. [/QUOTE]I do not believe I said that I was looking for chicas who don't fuck for money so that I can pay them for sex. I have the same definition of non-pro as you. And non-pros are usually willing to fuck you for a very long time without asking for money if they believe your are interested in the long game ("largo plaza" No matter what the status of a girl I have sex with, I always give them a regalo (present), and they never turn me down, presumably because of the way I give them the money. I never say, "here is 2500 DOP for the anal sex", but rather something like, "here is some money for your taxi. I added a little extra so you could buy some flowers for your mother" or something similar to that. If the chica has children, I always give them something extra to buy the kids a toy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2713701] No I live in Thailand, but I do know DR like the back of my hand. I look back and am amazed at how I used to get around the place before GPS was a normal thing. [/QUOTE]While the geography of the DR has not changed, the sex scene has changed in many ways. As I mentioned, I have been there about 50 times in 15 years. As far as I can tell, the street scene has dwindled, the "massage" places are mostly out of business (but this happened a decade ago) and the paid sex industry is mostly online.

It seems to me like you enjoy criticizing others. I am looking for advice, and all you have told me is that almost every chica on the island is available if I throw money at her (in a manner that was clearly critical). I am totally aware that with patience, most young Dominican women will be happy to become a sex partner- even with a senior citizen like me- if we pay the bills. I know that women are not going shopping at Galleria 360 to get picked up by a gringo. I am simply asking where the best places to try and pick up a young chica. Each mall, restaurant, bar, etc has different clientele. Some are easier for gringos like me than others, and I simply do NOT know the best ones.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2713701] You are not inexperienced in the DR so what kind of disadvantage are you believing not living there puts you in? I have never lived there nor felt I was at some type of disadvantage because I did not. And this is especially true if you plan on using money to get what you want. I don't think those type of chicks care about where you live as much as they care about the money that you give. But you are experienced and know this already. Usually people with a well-established pipeline of chicks do not come asking where to get more chicks. They would just get them from the same place their well-established pipeline came from.[/QUOTE]I belong to this site so that I can learn new and fun ways to meet cute women, and I know that there are members who are more knowledgeable than I or have a different set of experiences that they can share. I seek to tap their brains. I have literally answered a hundred PMs from members and given them advice about how to pick up girls using my approach. These guys all knew how to find Casa Theresa without my help, but were looking for something different. I have always given them concrete suggestions, not advice to the effect that you will find that almost every girl will fuck you if you put enough money on the table.

I think you have been away from the DR for too much time to really know the scene, but if you have any special insight that I have not appreciated, it would be great for me (as well as others) if you shared it on the ISG.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2714505]After paying $10 for 1 drink and $100 for a girl, you might as well use the taxis outside. They will come out to be less of a rip off than the other 2.[/QUOTE]Drinks at oasis or foxys arent $10. More like 150 or 200 pesos.

I am just trying to have him see all the options. Thats his first trip and I wouldn't recommend anybody to go with a cab driver from those places if uber is an option. Using the taxi outside means the girl is going with her guy / man / BF with you and he is going to wait an hour to get back with her. More chances for a bad experience. You may end up paying an extra $20. I try to avoid those traps especially when I am not sober.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714698]Second, and most importantly, they all seem to know each other. As a result, I occasionally get an outraged message (or call) from one girl complaining that I am seeing her cousin when I should have been spending my time with her![/QUOTE]In other words, she does not want another girl to be getting the money she is supposed to be getting.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714802]I think you have been away from the DR for too much time to really know the scene, but if you have any special insight that I have not appreciated, it would be great for me (as well as others) if you shared it on the ISG.[/QUOTE]I was last in DR at the end of January. But I too will wait and see where others propose that we can easily pick up chicks that are not hookers under the premise of giving them money later.

One more question though. Is the giving of the money contingent upon them having sex or do they still get the money after platonically hanging out?

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714698]I am looking to meet girls outside of my usual pipeline for two reasons. First, I like variety. My current pipeline (in San Pedro de Marcoris) can provide me with more girls than I could possibly have sex with, but the chicas are remarkably similar in most respects, especially age (they are starting to average almost 30 years old, not a bad age, but it used to be more like 20-22). Second, and most importantly, they all seem to know each other. As a result, I occasionally get an outraged message (or call) from one girl complaining that I am seeing her cousin when I should have been spending my time with her! I am not certain that these girls are all true cousins, but they seem to think that they are one family. There seems to be almost no way to be with one of these girls without many others in their peer group knowing about my activities.[/QUOTE]MamaGuevos. IMHO, the Dominican Cupid, remains the best bet place for finding the type of girls you are talking about, if 1) you subscribe for access to the site, a month or so, before your arrival in the DR, 2) you have the patience and willingness to invest enormous amount of time, 3) you have a good tracking and filtering method to weed out fakes, multiplicities, hardcore pros and scammers. You are right, a decade or so ago, my main supply source was San Pedro de Macoris, and the most active age I dealt with then, was 19-21 yr Olds. For non-sport fuckers like us (you come a cross like one of us) these girls, back then, had GFE tendencies, including aa certain intrinsic peculiarity that they exhibited had me glued, the allure of naivete (not exploitative in the sense) that they presented then, was irresistible. Like you correctly said, they are in their 30's now and those of them, who happened to stay in shape, seems to be more contious of their age gap with us, the senior citizens, than they were back then. This brings me to an intriguing observation I have had, from my 50 plus trips to the DR, the younger the girls are, 18 - 22, the more they seem to enjoy the time with papi, give and take, even presently with 18 yr Olds in the DR demonstratively more experienced in the game.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2714848]I was last in DR at the end of January. But I too will wait and see where others propose that we can easily pick up chicks that are not hookers under the premise of giving them money later.

One more question though. Is the giving of the money contingent upon them having sex or do they still get the money after platonically hanging out?[/QUOTE]In recent years, half the girls I know are friends of friends from San Pedro or a small group of girls the Capitol. Sex is the purpose of the date. The other half come from Badoo or Tagged. That is why I asked my question, m because I want to try shopping malls or something different.

I never promise (or even mention) money up front for the girls I meet on line. About 25% of the chicas come right out and ask how much I am willing to give them, almost always with the story that they need to pay the rent or feed the kids (two good reasons). This changes the dynamic, of course, because the girl is proposing paid sex. On at least two occasions, the girl told me it was the first time in her life she requested money for sex. Is that type of girl a non-pro?

I always pay taxi fee and usually a nice lunch or dinner (typically in the Plaza de Espana, which is near my hotel and very convenient; occasionally we eat at the bar on the Plaza de Colon because I like their habichuelas and pollo guisada) but the platonic relations don't get an extra 2500 DOP for flowers or whatever. As you know from your own experience, once they agree to lunch or dinner, they are 99.9% likely to return to the hotel room with you so this doesn't happen often. But I have had a few who leave me and suggest a second date. If there is no sex after the second date, I move on. The very few girls with whom I have had that experience want me to meet Mom and Dad before our third date and commit myself to something that I am uninterested (being a serious BF / fiancee / husband).

I am beginning to think my idea of a fun afternoon trying to pick up chicas in Mega Centro or Galleria 360 is never going to go anywhere, although I think SubCmdr has made this work.

My morning got eaten up by Uber acting dumb.

Went on Skokka and went with a chica that had features and services that I liked. Ended up being the same message parlor I went to before. I didn't mind, because it was the messues with the fat ass. 3500 pesos, took it like a champ and accommodating throughout.

Going to sosua by bus tomorrow, so that wraps up Santo Domingo.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714995]

I always pay taxi fee and usually a nice lunch or dinner (typically in the Plaza de Espana, which is near my hotel and very convenient; occasionally we eat at the bar on the Plaza de Colon because I like their habichuelas and pollo guisada) but the platonic relations don't get an extra 2500 DOP for flowers or whatever. As you know from your own experience, once they agree to lunch or dinner, they are 99.9% likely to return to the hotel room with you so this doesn't happen often. But I have had a few who leave me and suggest a second date. If there is no sex after the second date, I move on. The very few girls with whom I have had that experience want me to meet Mom and Dad before our third date and commit myself to something that I am uninterested (being a serious BF / fiancee / husband).
[/QUOTE]If you are this well acquainted with the DR why ask a newbie question? I think sometimes people ask questions just so they can provide their own perspective to their answer. Its a tactic my ex boss chick use when she wanted attention. I'm not saying this is the case but it's leaning in that direction.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714698] Second, and most importantly, they all seem to know each other. As a result, I occasionally get an outraged message (or call) from one girl complaining that I am seeing her cousin when I should have been spending my time with her! I am not certain that these girls are all true cousins, but they seem to think that they are one family. There seems to be almost no way to be with one of these girls without many others in their peer group knowing about my activities.[/QUOTE]So let me get this right. A Chica can call you and ear check you about how you're spending your money? IMHO That's one Hell of a beta male position that you were allowing yourself to be played in. This is why I avoid the games. P4P is the route for me.

I let a chica know straight up (amigo con derecho) friends with benefits. That way if she gets out her place; I can put her in check. I respect you playing the game your way. There's nothing wrong with pretending to be her boyfriend until she thinks you're her actual gringo boyfriend. Notice I say gringo because there's no way she would dare try that with a Dominicano.

So you feel the correct course of action is to seek chicas elsewhere and not correct the Chicas trying to emasculate you. Kool! You like it I love it. You obviously been in this game long enough to know how You want to operate.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2714694]You will always do better sourcing your pussy on your own. No matter how you choose to do it. The better your Spanish, the more options you have open to you. Money can only take you so far.[/QUOTE]Sub just definitely make more sense. But I would rather have a pocket full of money instead of a translator.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714995]About 25% of the chicas come right out and ask how much I am willing to give them, almost always with the story that they need to pay the rent or feed the kids (two good reasons). This changes the dynamic, of course, because the girl is proposing paid sex. On at least two occasions, the girl told me it was the first time in her life she requested money for sex. Is that type of girl a non-pro?[/QUOTE]Is a person that has sex 1 time with someone of the same sex gay? Are they gay if they do it 100 times? In either case I would not say they are, but they are definitely participating in gay behavior. On the other hand, someone that takes money for sex is by definition a prostitute. I did not write the dictionary, I just know how to read it.

It is amazing how the stars align for both mongers and these supposed non-pros. Just so happens rent is due or the kids need feeding the exact same time he is in town. Nobody ever cares to question how the rent got paid or the kids got fed last month or will again next month. Nope. We are just content that we arrived on this one unlucky month for her. What are the chances?

But I can guarantee if you don't show up until another 18 months later it will also happen to be her unlucky month. You think other guys may be arriving on other unlucky months, weeks, or days and helping these "non-pros" out? If so, how many would it take to make her a pro?

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714995]but the platonic relations don't get an extra 2500 DOP[/QUOTE]A recurring theme here is feeling.

Bad about how poor the people are, needing money for milk or medicine or food or kids' school clothes. Another recurring theme is my help is only available to those that spread their legs for me. Otherwise Fuck Dem Kids!

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2714995]I am beginning to think my idea of a fun afternoon trying to pick up chicas in Mega Centro or Galleria 360 is never going to go anywhere, although I think SubCmdr has made this work.[/QUOTE]Well Sub lives there, so he can go meet a chick at the mall and not even call her until 3 weeks later and he has lost no ground. I do not think he is meeting them and they are following him out to his car to go home with him at that instant.

Being a tourist you have a limited time only to try to capitalize on chicks you have met out and about. And walking around the mall all day sipping on a soda and eating a pretzel going up to different chicks is pretty creepy. Somebody is bound to notice you and alert security. Sure this was a thing when we were in high school, but we are grown ass men now.