Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Bravo;1441489]I am well aware of the fact that the DR is 3rd world country and that I can not expect the legal system to work the way it does in the states. I also know that if you make yourself an easy mark, the word will spread like wild fire and then you will be known for handing out money. If you weren't willing to stand up for yourself when they asked for 100 pesos, the girls know you will punk out when they start asking for 1000 pesos![/QUOTE]But in the example you gave earlier of paying the cops 4000 pesos to jail a problem chica (trying to extort 200 pesos) , you don't think a monger is making himself an easy mark still? Among the chica and policia community, that stance may spread like wild fire as well.

A payment of 4000 pesos to the police can still give chicas the idea of planning a scheme with willing policia. For example. Up in the hotel, chica dead in the wrong tries to get paid more than what was agreed upon. Monger refuses to pay. No problem, no monger should just give in just because a chica complains. Whats unique here. Is that this particular monger who is known to hold his ground and is willing to pay good money to bribe the police. He tells the chica,"go ahead and call the police, I don't care" The police she calls are ones in on the scheme. Monger thinks he's paying good money for the cops assistance. What ends up happening, is the chica and the cops split up the mongers money.

My point is simply. A monger can end up being a mark if you pay the chica 200 pesos, or pay the cops 4000 pesos. Knowing things in the DR are not like the states is not enough. Often times we may have to apply it in an actual situation. Now mind you many of us may not have been confronted by a hostile chica. Which means many of us don't know exactly what we'll do until we see what the potential consequences may be. Once thats established. Where we actually stand on the issue depends on where we sit. To put it another way........if the choice was offered to the monger to pay the chica 200 pesos or go to jail.......Im 100% positive, most mongers would pay the 200 pesos. At that point, there is no standing ground, just a monger exercising choosing the better of 2 options.

[QUOTE=MinkyBoodle78; 1441379]This subject has been brought up but was kind of left up in the air so I wanted to confirm what I concluded from this discussion. It has to do with Passions and their 1 hour 2500RD$ session. Basically, as I understand it that payment is for the hour session FS but the specifics of FS vary from girl to girl. I would absolutely love (possible deal breaker) DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and MSOG. I should discuss this with the girl before hand. My chances are good of BBBJ as most there do that and if they refuse I should talk to Peter. However, I'm very murky on the other ones. Specifically, if I pay for one hour and it's early in the trip and I haven't gotten into my groove yet say we go 30 minutes. Surely the session doesn't end do we just lie there for 30 minutes? I would greatly appreciate if some of guys could share your experience with me and maybe your thoughts on how accurate my assessment is. I assume TLN includes MSOG. Thanks guys your experience is invaluable.

Scott[/QUOTE]You should discuss these with the girl concerned prior to handing over money. A 1-hour session is basically one sex session to one orgasm. One hour is the maximum. If there is time left over you can lay down, relax, and chat with the girl, take another shower, or whatever you want. So no need to rush your session at all.

[QUOTE=Steve Urso; 1441457]To Jackson:

Thank you for the sarcasm.

Is it against forum rules to try to contact members outside of this forum? I thought I made it clear why I wanted to go outside of the forum. It takes time to communicate via posting messages or PM. And I need to make a trip decision soon.[/QUOTE]Obviously the forum is a commercial concern. Jackson probably thinks you are looking for an excuse not to pay a subscription.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1441521]if the choice was offered to the monger to pay the chica 200 pesos or go to jail.Im 100% positive, most mongers would pay the 200 pesos. At that point, there is no standing ground, just a monger exercising choosing the better of 2 options.[/QUOTE]That is a great point BUT. At what point do you stand up for yourself? Wrx2005, I can tell that you are a seasoned traveler, so I respect your responses. I think at some point, common sense has to rule. If I was in Rhumba and a girl came up to me and started a big commotion, I am not going to get into a screaming match with her. I will just calmly summon security and as they escort her out, I will stroll out the other side, jump on a moto and take off to my place. She can call the police all she wants but I won't be there when they show up. Only an idiot would stay there and try to explain his side to the police!

I truly believe that f you are known as the man who will punk out and hand over 200 pesos when the chica has not rendered any services. Then soon you will be known as the man who will punk out and then hand over 2000 pesos! You have been there enough times to know that the girls are not going to say "We will only extort them for 200 pesos and not a penny more!" Its simple common sense that they will continue to up the ante to try and get as much as they can from your pockets.

IMHO, its best that newbies know their options. Yes, there is a chance that a corrupt cop / judge might get involved and then it will cost you a great deal of money to extradite yourself from the situation. The flip side of the coin is not to be a walking ATM either. Don't be that guy who every girl knows they can get money from by threatening to call the cops.

The best way to avoid this type of scam is to not let those type of girls near you in the first place. It's ok to ignore a girl you think is a scam artist. You just blow her off period. You owe nothing to anyone unless you get laid.

I've had it happen to me in Sousa. I am there having a beer then a girl tries to sell herself to me that I am not interested in. My immediate response is "No Gracias". Squash that shit before it festers! If she keeps going I give short answers to her questions." En que hotel estas?" That's a question which sizes up your finances. If you are staying at a high end hotel she will charge you accordingly. Don't fall for that junk. If you like a girl then YOU APPROACH HER. Otherwise leave the other rats alone. Let them look for cheese somewhere else.

On a side note I was REALLY careful with who I dealt with there. Tons of opportunities for a nightmare session. Sometimes it took me a while to find what I was looking for but it was worth the wait.

I have bagged about 25 girls in Sosua. Only had one dispute and it was very minor. None of my accompanying friends had any problems. Most girls are nice girls trying their final option to make a living. IMHO Most girls only get one or two customers a week. The competition is fierce. If you are a girl who is a 6 or 7 and average body, how do you compete. Often the girls are rejected more then stale bread. The nines and tens get the action over and over. 2 times a week is twice what a regular job pys.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1441536]The best way to avoid this type of scam is to not let those type of girls near you in the first place. It's ok to ignore a girl you think is a scam artist. You just blow her off period. You owe nothing to anyone unless you get laid.

I've had it happen to me in Sousa. I am there having a beer then a girl tries to sell herself to me that I am not interested in. My immediate response is "No Gracias". Squash that shit before it festers! If she keeps going I give short answers to her questions." En que hotel estas?" That's a question which sizes up your finances. If you are staying at a high end hotel she will charge you accordingly. Don't fall for that junk. If you like a girl then YOU APPROACH HER. Otherwise leave the other rats alone. Let them look for cheese somewhere else.

On a side note I was REALLY careful with who I dealt with there. Tons of opportunities for a nightmare session. Sometimes it took me a while to find what I was looking for but it was worth the wait.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1441221]Okay suppose you back out a deal saying" I've changed my mind". Now you have an unpredictable Dominicana pissed. She wants 100p to move on but you refuse the buyout. Now she is making a scene and grabbing bottles. Security comes over and both of you threaten to call the police. Now when the police come you have to add another "zero" to the buyout thats now at least 1000p. You are still stubborn and you both are taken to the station on the highway. You plead your case, but the policia are just waiting to see if you are "Connected", and who comes to your rescue. After three hours the girl is back to Rumba and you are laying on a cold slab behind a bar door cussing yourself for not paying that initial 100p. Now the lawyers and judge are involved trying to figure the price for you to tap out. Do you are sent to Puerto Plata jail on a 24 hour hold. There are 50 Dominicans in 20x20 cell. A bucket is in the middle as a community bathroom. Hopefully you aren't in one of the outside cages because the mosquitoes have no mercy. Food has to be brought in by friends. Now the powers say it will cost 2000 USD to be released. Belive me, you are calling everyone desperate for 2000usd. Then when you get 2000usd they tell you thats jist for your release from jail, but they are going to keep your passport. It's another 5000usd gor your passport so now you have to beg more but no one is fucking going to help you because you are caught in a never ending web. You have been broken as a man because you didn't want to pay a girl 100p to get out of a deal you reneged on.

Play games if you want but odds are that eventually you are going to crap out.[/QUOTE]It's useless O. G. Gogo. You already know who among us already get it. Let the rest of them figure it out the hard way.

Originally Posted by Charles Pooter

[b]Sosua is not Disneyland[/b]

Friday night in Sosua a monger (not a vet, but not a newbie either) agreed a price of 2500 pesos for TLN. Took the chica back to Terra Linda for the night. After one pop she pulled the old "leave early" stunt so he would only pay her 1500 pesos for ST. She refused to leave and he threw her out. There was no physical fight as such and she left quietly enough though obviously in a foul mood.

She came back later (early next morning?) with bruises, a cop and a lawyer, and the guy was arrested and taken to a Puerto Plata cell for the night. The security guard who had let her out said she was in good state when she left so presumably the bruises were inflicted by herself or her chulo.

Next day some of the friends he had made on his trips here, plus some very experienced ex-pats, arrived with a lawyer. Eventually they all chipped in to make up US$3500 to get him released and (I think) the charges dropped. The monger left for the US (either because it was his last day anyway or because he was understandably so pissed off with the DR, or because he was now broke, or because it was a condition of his release, I don't know which). I guess he won't be back in a hurry.

The above are the brief facts, though obviously there was a lot more hassle, unpleasantness and complications involved over a 36-hour period.

Some random comments:

136,500 pesos expended to save 1000, plus a lot of other guys precious holiday time and incidental expenses. [b]Many guys advocate standing up to the chicas and cops and not yielding any ground. This might work 19 times out of 20 but when you look at the cost savings it is not a good bet.[/b]

I have no idea whether the guy had been drinking or was stone-cold sober but alcohol is never helpful in such situations.

The management of Terra Linda were totally unhelpful (and wouldn't let the security guard speak on the monger's behalf) but the manager of Rocky's (where the guy was not staying and who did not know the guy from Adam) spent a lot of his time helping. It might have been him who arranged a defence lawyer but don't quote me on that. I can understand Terra Linda's position. They have to carry on their business after the monger is back in the States and they don't want to make enemies of a cop and a lawyer by denying them a payday, but I suspect he would have got more backing from the New Garden and obviously at Rocky's because their whole businesses are reliant on recommendations from mongers whereas TL are trying to position themselves as a family hotel.

This sort of thing could happen in any part of the DR (or in most other corrupt countries as well) but it is far more likely to happen with hard-core putas from the "strip" in Sosua. (I imagine I will get no arguments from Jaosousa on that point). That is one reason why, after my first 2 or 3 trips, I have confined my mongering to Pto Pta, other small towns and the campo.

Kudos to all the guys who chipped in, not with "wise after the event" comments but with their time and a lot of hard cash. Most of them hardly knew the guy but they all realised it could happen to any of us. Had he been a lone wolf he could really have been screwed a lot worse.

Original Posting: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.inf.=1#post1302463[/url]

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1441536]The best way to avoid this type of scam is to not let those type of girls near you in the first place. It's ok to ignore a girl you think is a scam artist. You just blow her off period. You owe nothing to anyone unless you get laid.

I've had it happen to me in Sousa. I am there having a beer then a girl tries to sell herself to me that I am not interested in. My immediate response is "No Gracias". Squash that shit before it festers! If she keeps going I give short answers to her questions." En que hotel estas?" That's a question which sizes up your finances. If you are staying at a high end hotel she will charge you accordingly. Don't fall for that junk. If you like a girl then YOU APPROACH HER. Otherwise leave the other rats alone. Let them look for cheese somewhere else.

On a side note I was REALLY careful with who I dealt with there. Tons of opportunities for a nightmare session. Sometimes it took me a while to find what I was looking for but it was worth the wait.[/QUOTE]Great post, thats why I sit by myself at Rumbas. Its time for me to move on. But remember, heads up fellas.

[quote=mr gogo;1441500]your missing the point dude. it's not about vets being extorted, it's about giving guys a heads up and why i believe it is best to handle it a different way. wzr2005 and i both wrote about this happening at rumba. now answer my question that you have been avoiding please. how can you put all your hopes into corrupt cops doing the right thing? please explain.[/quote]-first of all corrupt-i wouldn't say that-because i've never experienced one problem with the politur or have any of my friends-as far as the stories about them being corrupt-it always seems to me the tourist-9 times out of 10 gets themselves into the mess by excessively drinking and acting like a complete fool. gettin' set-up well i've heard of that to and it may happen but again ask yourself why? why go with an **** girl who has no i'd? why buy pot or coke from a puta? look for trouble and you can always find it.

i've been going to sosua for sometime. its hard for me to believe-and i have yet for it to happen to me or any of my friends-that a politur would actual waste his time with a 'chica' complaining a guy owes her $$$ simply for talking to her. for 200 pesos he's going to go through all that bullshit-you really think so-and the owners of rumba and d'latino are going to let that happen when it is the tourist who are the lifeblood of sosua. sorry i don't believe. and i will guarantee you it won't happen to any guy who is sober unless he doesn't read the reports on here then that's his own fault.

and mr. gogo tell me an experience you had with the cops in which you were a victim of their corrupt ways.

thanks

[QUOTE=SavePros321; 1441546]Originally Posted by Charles Pooter.

[b]Sosua is not Disneyland[/b]

Friday night in Sosua a monger (not a vet, but not a newbie either) agreed a price of 2500 pesos for TLN. Took the chica back to Terra Linda for the night. After one pop she pulled the old "leave early" stunt so he would only pay her 1500 pesos for ST. She refused to leave and he threw her out. There was no physical fight as such and she left quietly enough though obviously in a foul mood.

She came back later (early next morning?) with bruises, a cop and a lawyer, and the guy was arrested and taken to a Puerto Plata cell for the night. The security guard who had let her out said she was in good state when she left so presumably the bruises were inflicted by herself or her chulo.

Next day some of the friends he had made on his trips here, plus some very experienced ex-pats, arrived with a lawyer. Eventually they all chipped in to make up US$3500 to get him released and (I think) the charges dropped. The monger left for the US (either because it was his last day anyway or because he was understandably so pissed off with the DR, or because he was now broke, or because it was a condition of his release, I don't know which). I guess he won't be back in a hurry.

The above are the brief facts, though obviously there was a lot more hassle, unpleasantness and complications involved over a 36-hour period.

Some random comments:

136, 500 pesos expended to save 1000, plus a lot of other guys precious holiday time and incidental expenses. [b]Many guys advocate standing up to the chicas and cops and not yielding any ground. This might work 19 times out of 20 but when you look at the cost savings it is not a good bet. [/b]

I have no idea whether the guy had been drinking or was stone-cold sober but alcohol is never helpful in such situations.

The management of Terra Linda were totally unhelpful (and wouldn't let the security guard speak on the monger's behalf) but the manager of Rocky's (where the guy was not staying and who did not know the guy from Adam) spent a lot of his time helping. It might have been him who arranged a defence lawyer but don't quote me on that. I can understand Terra Linda's position. They have to carry on their business after the monger is back in the States and they don't want to make enemies of a cop and a lawyer by denying them a payday, but I suspect he would have got more backing from the New Garden and obviously at Rocky's because their whole businesses are reliant on recommendations from mongers whereas TL are trying to position themselves as a family hotel.

This sort of thing could happen in any part of the DR (or in most other corrupt countries as well) but it is far more likely to happen with hard-core putas from the "strip" in Sosua. (I imagine I will get no arguments from Jaosousa on that point). That is one reason why, after my first 2 or 3 trips, I have confined my mongering to Pto Pta, other small towns and the campo.

Kudos to all the guys who chipped in, not with "wise after the event" comments but with their time and a lot of hard cash. Most of them hardly knew the guy but they all realised it could happen to any of us. Had he been a lone wolf he could really have been screwed a lot worse.

Original Posting:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.inf.=1#post1302463[/url][/QUOTE]I heard about this when it was happening. This is different from a girl talking to you for 10 - 20 min then demanding 100 pesos. That must be a new con. That one pop shit sucks, because 9 times out of 10 the one pop was a bad performance and those chicas usually ask you 4 or 5 times did you leche and they start huffing and puffing, acting like you are taking too long when you only been fucking for 10 min. This is why I love Rio. None of that bullshit.

-I cannot know for sure and neither can we what really happened to that guy aside from the fact-He got in a fight with the girl and she had bruises and he didn't pay her the amount she felt she was owed.

Now see'mon. Even a 'hardcore' isn't going to make all that up-or is she? #1 She was a hardcore I'll bet my life on it. #2 He was polluted #3 She rendered service for the $$$ #4 He was polluted. #5 I think he physically removed her from his room and when you drink you don't realize your strength and he did bruise her. #6 Tierra Linda was fed up with the monger drunk bullshit and didn't care about losing their business and still don't. #7 cops had no choice if she's bruised and he admitted throwing her out and not paying her-even if he did pay that's still assault.

----Of course this is all conjecture on my part----

These stories are few and far between-all we can all do is say "Monger Beware Be on Your Best Behavior and You'll be Fine"

[QUOTE=Bravo; 1441489]My brother, its all about balancing out the equation. I am not too concerned about being extorted myself, I don't come across as an easy target. I have been in this monger game for a minute and have never experienced some of the BS extortion / police games that others are writing about. The reason why I posted was to give Newbies a different viewpoint.

If 10 guys on this board are saying "Anytime a girl pouts, crosses her arms and stamps her foot. Throw money at her so she doesn't call the police!" I feel it would be a disservice if I didn't say "You don't always have to give your hard earned money away...[/QUOTE]I am totally with you on the balance premise. The chicas and the chulos in Sosua are just like any pimp or hoe in any town in any country in the sense that they will absolutely and positively mistake kindness for weakness. I myself have never encountered this particular shakedown, but I once had a problem with a bartender at Rumbas that just completely blew me off when I asked her for my change. She owed me 50 pesos, and her response to me was "Y mi propina que!" in translation "what about my tip!"

I was pretty drunk and full of liquid courage, and my testerone charged machismo reacted to her blatant and disrespectful treatment quite abruptly and swiftly by barking several insults and threats at her in Spanish that froze her in her tracks. Now I am completely fluent in Spanish and even Dominican Spanish complete with their signature little up and down inflection rythm, so perhaps that communication gap which is usually at the root of most of these type of misunderstandings wasn't an issue for me and my reaction shocked and caught her so off guard that she just folded, but it could've gone the other way.

Minutes later I saw her speaking to a shady looking character while they both mean mugged me, and she no doubt was sharing her version of the events with him and I wouldn't put it past her to have been gasing his head up to redeem her honor in their warped, fucked up morality that beckons him to defend his lady's honor against the evil gringo marauder, but sees nothing wrong to pimp his wife to me so she can put food on his table while he sleeps all day. You see what we're dealing with here bro. Scumbags.

Heinsight is 20/20, and have it to do all over again I prob woulda just given her the stinking 50 right off the bat. It's just not worth the bullshit.

- I had been with the girl a few times( 2 trips maybe 5 times) before-We agreed 1000 pesos for a BJ-so we go to the room we relaxing having a good time we have our fun get done the sex and we enjoy each others company awhile longer she even nodded out for a little while.

Get ready to leave she wants 500 more-I said for what-she said.she stayed longer than she should have for 1000 pesos-I said I didn't tell you to stay and you slept anyway. You could have left at any time after you finished the BJ----She wasn't going to leave until she got the 500 pesos.so we sat around awhile and I told her I will give you the 500 pesos and I will never be with you again-I got the 500 pesos bill crumpled it up in my hand and and threw it under the bed. She told me to get it and I laughed.Finally she crawled and got it. She then wanted me to walk her back-Fat chance.

-Next visit she came up to me and wanted me to leave with her. I said Nunca meant Nunca-Tu no aprende- NO MAS.NUNCA-she got the message.

Being Sober has alot of advantages in this situation.

[QUOTE=Zedman99; 1441558]-I cannot know for sure and neither can we what really happened to that guy aside from the fact-He got in a fight with the girl and she had bruises and he didn't pay her the amount she felt she was owed.

Now see'mon. Even a 'hardcore' isn't going to make all that up-or is she? #1 She was a hardcore I'll bet my life on it. #2 He was polluted #3 She rendered service for the $$$ #4 He was polluted. #5 I think he physically removed her from his room and when you drink you don't realize your strength and he did bruise her. #6 Tierra Linda was fed up with the monger drunk bullshit and didn't care about losing their business and still don't. #7 cops had no choice if she's bruised and he admitted throwing her out and not paying her-even if he did pay that's still assault.

-Of course this is all conjecture on my part-

These stories are few and far between-all we can all do is say "Monger Beware Be on Your Best Behavior and You'll be Fine"[/QUOTE]There are still little mishaps that happen.

Chica agreeing to TLN then having to go see baby and still want money.

Chica doing the "starfish" routine.

Chica demanding more monet than what was previous agree to.

Chica not wanting to do doggystyle.

Chica hurrying you to cum after 3 min.

Etc.