Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

I am on the last 2 days of my 6 week 2018 visit to LOS. Fortunately I am heading to Jakarta next so the good times will continue. But while I was in BKK, I visited 3 soapies; Mitu (a hybrid oily-soapy), Emmanuelle, and La Belle.

Mitu was fun, but the girls were not lookers. I only visited that place one time.

Emmanuelle had a much better lineup. I had a good time there with an S category girl, but did not go back.

La Belle: I visited La Belle 5 times during this trip. That should tell you all you need to know. LOL. I sampled 3 different girls: a P category girl, an L category sideline model girl, and a G category girl (the least expensive one). All 3 girls were very sexy, 2 of the 3 were pretty close to gorgeous, and they all provided great "Lord" quality service. I repeated 3 times with my P category girl because I liked her so much. She had it all; looks, personality, and great, passionate sex. That girl is in my top 3 new girls of 2018. I love her! Ha Ha.

I always liked La Belle and over the years I had great times with some fantastic girls here. But I also experienced a few ho hum sessions as well. It was the lack of consistency that initially drove me to the Lord and boy did I enjoy it over at the Lord. Very sadly I mourn the fact that the Lord is dead. However, La Belle is alive and prospering. Furthermore, I think it is as good now or better than it ever was. The consistency issue has apparently been solved. Hallelujah. The best time to go is around 7 pm. That's the time when you will most likely see the full lineup.

Stay thirsty,

NB

Shame about the 1000 baht racist surcharge in La Belle. That's just totally taking the Mick.

This has been discussed many times on the forum. I have known about La Belle's farang tax since they opened up for business. I don't like it, but in 3 little words; I don't care. You tell me of another shop in BKK offering similar quality and service without the tax and I will check it out next time I am in BKK. Until then, I will continue to do business with these mother fucking cats because I like what they have on the menu and in every other way that matters I am treated well.

Once upon a time, 4 or 5 years ago, I had a discussion with one of the hosts on this very issue. My point to him was that I as a repeat customer should not be charged more since they knew me and knew I always treated the girls right and always behaved properly. It did no good. I was treated to a course of circular Thai logic. But, I believe that at one time the tax served a purpose in discouraging low budget whites from coming in, but now with so few farangs in town, I see little purpose in it. It just exists. So, I continue to pay it and don't let it bother me because in return I get what I want which is Macau style sex from good looking, well trained, northern Thai girls.

BTW, didn't the Lord have a farang tax too? I am not sure. I think they did. But who cares? Not me, but if it bothers you then all the more power to you. Don't go! Economic Discrimination Theory points out that those firms that practice discrimination will lose competitive advantage to other competing firms that do not discriminate. The trouble with the theory in practice in BKK is there are no high end Soapies in BKK that do not discriminate. Ha Ha. So the bottom line for me is I go where the honey is and I don't care about trivial crap I can't do anything about. But like I said above, I respect your decision to stand on principal and avoid these places.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2234815]This has been discussed many times on the forum. I have known about La Belle's farang tax since they opened up for business. I don't like it, but in 3 little words; I don't care. You tell me of another shop in BKK offering similar quality and service without the tax and I will check it out next time I am in BKK. Until then, I will continue to do business with these mother fucking cats because I like what they have on the menu and in every other way that matters I am treated well.
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[/QUOTE]I am with you on this. If something I want is openly "on the menu" to me so to speak, then they are at least providing me a means and option to choose it and pay the upcharge or not. I feel the same way about the so-called "ass tax", where there is an additional 500 baht charge for anal when some customers think that ought to be included in the basic price. Although I realise the farang upcharge has a racist element to it that the anal upcharge does not. Unless it can be proven that farangs DO get some kind of special treatment behind closed doors that non fatangs do not.

Trust me, it is far more annoying not to have an openly offered option for something that is essential or a meaningful factor in the decision for some than to have it openly offered for a mere 500-1000 baht upcharge! Do any of these wonderful shops and clubs openly offer hot, well-trained girls who WILL provide BBFS behind closed doors for an upcharge of a mere 500-1000 baht? How about BBBJ+CIM+Swallow at least? LOL. If so, please share the info.

[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2234054]Basic question I guess. Not sure what is meant by East Asian here? Are you referring to Japanese? It gets confusing sometimes. In the US they refer to people from China, Japan, Korea etc as Asians. But in the UK it implies Indians, Pakistanis etc. Anyways excerpt from google as follows:

"Countries in East Asia include China, North Korea, South Korea, Mongolia and Taiwan. The Russian Federation is also part of East Asia through Outer Manchuria and Siberia.

East Asia is a term that is used to describe geographical and cultural traits. For example, Northeast Asia generally refers to Japan or China. Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Vietnam and Taiwan encompasses the cultural aspect of East Asia.

There is debate over whether or not certain nations should be part of East Asia. For instance, Vietnam is part of Southeast Asia, but it shares cultural similarities to East Asia. Siberia is located in North Asia, but the Russian Federation shares ties with nations to the east. Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and China are considered part of East Asia in the world of business and economics. The diplomatic and economic references to East Asia often conflicts with historical accounts".[/QUOTE]I meant All Asians Who are not South Asians (Indian, Pakistanis, Srilankans, Nepal, Bhutan etc) East Asian = China, Japan, Korea, SE Asian etc.

[QUOTE=*****man;2234020]I think Asslover meant open in the sense of open-minded but there are definitely Japanese places on soi 33 and soi Thaniya that deny entry to non-East Asians.[/QUOTE]Correct, It was indeed a very direct question. Guys please don't confuse.

I have been denied entry at Thaniya.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2234368]Not recently, but about 17 years ago, a group of us strolled down Soi Thaniya and tried to go into several of the clubs. We were refused entry. There also used to be a Japanese only club on Suk Soi 5. We tried to go in one night and were barred. So yes, it did happen. Whether it does now or not; I have no idea. Guess if business is slow enough, they'll resort to letting the dirty white man in.[/QUOTE]I haven't tried recently, but 6-7 years back, I was denied into a few Thaniya establishment.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2234405]You mean the one where the mamasan was practically begging my friend and I to come inside, have a drink and choose a girl "for sex", as she assured us? Maybe I will sometime. But I don't think I needed to actually follow her through the door to find out if she was only kidding or not.[/QUOTE]Common you should know very well that there are plenty of Japanese only places, without having a list.

There was a place on left side of Soi 24/1 with Japanese name. I rang up and made a booking for a particular girl from web site with receptionist who spoke Thai, no problem.

However Japanese guy at the door said sorry, no Farangs. My booking was useless. His English was very weak and Thai also weak. Maybe if I had fluent Japanese he might reconsider, but unlikely.

Japanese do like to maintain their exclusive clubs more so than the Thais.

[QUOTE=*****man;2234781]Shame about the 1000 baht racist surcharge in La Belle. That's just totally taking the Mick.[/QUOTE]
So many types of discrimination exist in Thailand. e.g. Disco did not want to let me in because I was not wearing socks and shoes, rather sandals, but how does it really matter. Same applied to Wat Phra Kaew temple. I am sure my feet smell less uncovered. Thais with no socks were allowed in the temple.

There has also been the view in Thailand that tourists and Farangs should be fleeced. Many tourist attractions have a cheaper entry price for Thais. "Racist" does not seem to be the right term for it in case of a surcharge. If racist, we should be refused completely, regardless of our individual style. The charge should apply to Indians, Arabs, etc. As well even though they are usually not known as Farangs. Rather "Khaek". So any non SE Asians. Not sure why Chinese Americans get excluded from the surcharge tax, but could relate to style of dress, lack of body odour etc.

If the girl received 100% of the surcharge, we could call it a Farang cock charge, since farangs maybe perceived as fucking for longer duration on average than SE Asians, and doing more pussy damage.

I suspect part of the idea is to keep out the riff raff. Farangs could turn up in sweat singlet and thongs, all stinky, etc. They probably think the surcharge will discourage them and attract only better groomed types most likely. On other hand they will put up with anyone if the money compensation is good enough.

I think in the early days of Farangs going to Soapies, the surcharge was not universally applied in all cases, merely to when they thought the tourists could be fleeced. e.g. Mona Lisa, Cupidy, and J One were fleecing some tourists but not all and depended on the particular papasan as well. Then places that had a set Farang surcharge started up, maybe to try to avoid the concept we were being fleeced. Maybe others can correct me and indicate Farang surcharges have always been there, but I suspect not much 35 years ago.

Utopia has a 1500 Farang surcharge. That was excessive. Many soapies had none.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2234730]Most were not visitors. The Japanese have always been the largest group of foreigners working in Thailand. Most were expats. That was why Thaniya was thriving at the time. In the late 90's and early 00's it was packed most nights. Towards the mid 00's as the number of well paid Japanese expats declined (actually the numbers of well paid expats from all nations declined) business in Thaniya started to fall off and you began to see some of the gals migrate to Thermae and the Siam Hotel Coffee Shop on Pheburi Road (now defunct). I encountered quite a few gals starting about 04 who had quite Thaniya due to lack of business. Japanese residents and tourist began to visit these places as opposed to the high priced Thaniya, where I would imagine costs used to be expensed to companies. When the Siam Coffee Shop closed the transition from there to Thermae was made.[/QUOTE]Great insights. I guess this is possible only if you are a long term resident. A guy who spends 3 weeks in Thailand over 2 or 3 trips in a year would never make such astute observations. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2234948]So many types of discrimination exist in Thailand. e.g. Disco did not want to let me in because I was not wearing socks and shoes, rather sandals, but how does it really matter. Same applied to Wat Phra Kaew temple. I am sure my feet smell less uncovered. Thais with no socks were allowed in the temple.

There has also been the view in Thailand that tourists and Farangs should be fleeced. Many tourist attractions have a cheaper entry price for Thais. "Racist" does not seem to be the right term for it in case of a surcharge. If racist, we should be refused completely, regardless of our individual style. The charge should apply to Indians, Arabs, etc. As well even though they are usually not known as Farangs. Rather "Khaek". So any non SE Asians. Not sure why Chinese Americans get excluded from the surcharge tax, but could relate to style of dress, lack of body odour etc.

If the girl received 100% of the surcharge, we could call it a Farang cock charge, since farangs maybe perceived as fucking for longer duration on average than SE Asians, and doing more pussy damage.

I suspect part of the idea is to keep out the riff raff. Farangs could turn up in sweat singlet and thongs, all stinky, etc. They probably think the surcharge will discourage them and attract only better groomed types most likely. On other hand they will put up with anyone if the money compensation is good enough.

I think in the early days of Farangs going to Soapies, the surcharge was not universally applied in all cases, merely to when they thought the tourists could be fleeced. e.g. Mona Lisa, Cupidy, and J One were fleecing some tourists but not all and depended on the particular papasan as well. Then places that had a set Farang surcharge started up, maybe to try to avoid the concept we were being fleeced. Maybe others can correct me and indicate Farang surcharges have always been there, but I suspect not much 35 years ago.

Utopia has a 1500 Farang surcharge. That was excessive. Many soapies had none.[/QUOTE]I think with all the various justifications for why some clubs charge non Asians more, the only one that works virtually every time is so the Asian customers will always feel that THEY are getting a discount.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2234944]Common you should know very well that there are plenty of Japanese only places, without having a list.

There was a place on left side of Soi 24/1 with Japanese name. I rang up and made a booking for a particular girl from web site with receptionist who spoke Thai, no problem.

However Japanese guy at the door said sorry, no Farangs. My booking was useless. His English was very weak and Thai also weak. Maybe if I had fluent Japanese he might reconsider, but unlikely.

Japanese do like to maintain their exclusive clubs more so than the Thais.[/QUOTE]He said, "Sorry, no Farangs", in exactly those words? Was the place supposed to be a Private Club or, as you said, an Exclusive Club? That might put it in a different genre of establishment than your typical store front shop.

btw, as a reminder, I DID say I am sure there are such places around town (plenty? I have no idea). I never said there were none or only 2-3 or this can't be true. I only "wondered" about them because I have never personally encountered one and when I do hear about one it is always cited as "there are places". And, frankly, your post here is no exception to that pattern. Again, not saying that did not happen to you.

How do you get to La belle from Terminal21 using the MRT.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2234837]I am with you on this. If something I want is openly "on the menu" to me so to speak, then they are at least providing me a means and option to choose it and pay the upcharge or not. I feel the same way about the so-called "ass tax", where there is an additional 500 baht charge for anal when some customers think that ought to be included in the basic price. Although I realise the farang upcharge has a racist element to it that the anal upcharge does not. Unless it can be proven that farangs DO get some kind of special treatment behind closed doors that non fatangs do not.

Trust me, it is far more annoying not to have an openly offered option for something that is essential or a meaningful factor in the decision for some than to have it openly offered for a mere 500-1000 baht upcharge! Do any of these wonderful shops and clubs openly offer hot, well-trained girls who WILL provide BBFS behind closed doors for an upcharge of a mere 500-1000 baht? How about BBBJ+CIM+Swallow at least? LOL. If so, please share the info.[/QUOTE]EihTooms, you raise an interesting point, namely about what is on the menu for all and what is off the menu but available from certain girls to their preferred, repeat customers or to any of their customers privately.

Case in point is my J category La Belle girl whom I took 3 times this trip. She and my 2 other LA Belle girls covered all the standard services (the on menu items) with enthusiasm and passion. The standard on menu stuff at La Belle, as I am sure you know, includes a soapy body 2 body massage, BBBJ in the tub, washing in the tub, a small amount of cat licking on the bed, BBBJ on the bed, 69 if requested, a certain amount of open mouth kissing, and vaginal sex in multiple positions, plus a friendly demeanor throughout with no wasted time once in the loom.

But on top of all the standard menu items, my J category girl gave me some additional items that I do not believe all La Belle girls are willing to do or even if my J girl is willing to do with every customer. I just know what we did and those off menu items included: A lot of DFK (and I mean a lot of continuous deep tongue sucking throughout the session), pussy lip riding on my cock in the tub (not all girls do this, but I like).

Then and this is to the real issue at hand ie major off menu items: 1) while blowing me in the tub, I began to feel the beginnings of an orgasm rising and I softly interrupted her performance to tell her she was going to make me cum. She disengaged her mouth from my dick and her sexy, innocent look to me said it all. I really wish I had that moment on video. The look said OK, cum. Cum in my mouth. It OK. Her look also intimated to me that she would naturally get me hard again on the bed and we would engage in sexual congress. Thus I would have a 2nd shot in her vagina at no extra charge. A most definite off menu item. I did go this route, however, because I wanted to save 100% of my power for her vagina and not have only 80% power for the main act. But again, I am 99% sure that two shots, one in her mouth and one in her vagina was offered by this girl. Definitely an off menu item.

2) The next off menu item we did together occurred during our 2nd session which was exponentially better than our first. I love when that happens! We were engaging in a really wet, lugubrious 69 when I got a little carried away and started kissing her ass and licking her everywhere my tongue could reach. I followed the curvature of her body and I began licking her asshole and then penetrating her third hole. She must have been enjoying what I was doing because she positioned herself so my tongue could gain maximum penetration. Meanwhile her tongue began to wonder around my anal area and thus we engaged in a pretty wild anal, vaginal, & dick 69 which went on for a long, long time.

Now I don't know if this meant anal sex with her, which is most definitely not on the menu, was being offered. While I enjoy licking certain special girl's ass holes and 69 on certain select girls, I prefer vaginal sex nearly every time unless there is some reason (a period) that makes it unavailable, so I did not pursue this possibility with her. Sorry, but I just don't know. Ha Ha.

But let me leave it at this, I thoroughly enjoyed my 3 sessions with her and with a little luck she will still be around when I return to BKK in 6 months. She was one of my favorite top 3 girls. And finally, I can only relate what we did together. I don't consider myself extra special or anything, so I figure any off menu items that we did are most likely available for just about any of her customer or at least those customers that she likes. I don't know.

I never ask these type of questions of a massage girl before a session. I prefer to rely on my intuition about a massage girl based on my interpretation of her demeanor and body language before I decide to select her and let the session to be a surprise. Like a box of chocolates. Even with strictly on menu items, some girls perform passionately and others do not. It depends on the girl and any chemistry you have with her. Now this particular girl was a keeper for me. I really liked her. One of my top 3 girls. 5,500 baht plus I tipped her 500. She was worth it.

Stay thirsty!

NB.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2235129]EihTooms, you raise an interesting point, namely about what is on the menu for all and what is off the menu but available from certain girls to their preferred, repeat customers or to any of their customers privately.

Case in point is my J category La Belle girl whom I took 3 times this trip. She and my 2 other LA Belle girls covered all the standard services (the on menu items) with enthusiasm and passion. The standard on menu stuff at La Belle, as I am sure you know, includes a soapy body 2 body massage, BBBJ in the tub, washing in the tub, a small amount of cat licking on the bed, BBBJ on the bed, 69 if requested, a certain amount of open mouth kissing, and vaginal sex in multiple positions, plus a friendly demeanor throughout with no wasted time once in the loom.

But on top of all the standard menu items, my J category girl gave me some additional items that I do not believe all La Belle girls are willing to do or even if my J girl is willing to do with every customer. I just know what we did and those off menu items included: A lot of DFK (and I mean a lot of continuous deep tongue sucking throughout the session), pussy lip riding on my cock in the tub (not all girls do this, but I like).

Then and this is to the real issue at hand ie major off menu items: while blowing me in the tub, I began to feel the beginnings of an orgasm rising and I softly interrupted her performance to tell her she was going to make me cum. She disengaged her mouth from my dick and her sexy, innocent look to me said it all. I really wish I had that moment on video. The look said OK, cum. Cum in my mouth. It OK. Her look also intimated to me that she would naturally get me hard again on the bed and we would engage in sexual congress. Thus I would have a 2nd shot in her vagina at no extra charge. A most definite off menu item. I did go this route, however, because I wanted to save 100% of my power for her vagina and not have only 80% power for the main act. But again, I am 99% sure that two shots, one in her mouth and one in her vagina was offered by this girl. Definitely an off menu item.

The next off menu item we did together occurred during our 2nd session which was exponentially better than our first. I love when that happens! We were engaging in a really wet, lugubrious 69 when I got a little carried away and started kissing her ass and licking her everywhere my tongue could reach. I followed the curvature of her body and I began licking her asshole and then penetrating her third hole. She must have been enjoying what I was doing because she positioned herself so my tongue could gain maximum penetration. Meanwhile her tongue began to wonder around my anal area and thus we engaged in a pretty wild anal, vaginal, & dick 69 which went on for a long, long time.

Now I don't know if this meant anal sex with her, which is most definitely not on the menu, was being offered. While I enjoy licking certain special girl's ass holes and 69 on certain select girls, I prefer vaginal sex nearly every time unless there is some reason (a period) that makes it unavailable, so I did not pursue this possibility with her. Sorry, but I just don't know. Ha Ha.

But let me leave it at this, I thoroughly enjoyed my 3 sessions with her and with a little luck she will still be around when I return to BKK in 6 months. She was one of my favorite top 3 girls. And finally, I can only relate what we did together. I don't consider myself extra special or anything, so I figure any off menu items that we did are most likely available for just about any of her customer or at least those customers that she likes. I don't know.

I never ask these type of questions of a massage girl before a session. I prefer to rely on my intuition about a massage girl and my interpretation of her demeanor and body language before I decide to select her and let the session to be a surprise. Like a box of chocolates. But this girl was a keeper and I really liked her. One of my top 3.

Stay thirsty!

NB.[/QUOTE]Ah, this report suggests that maybe some (or most?) La Belle girls just might be prepared to give a bit more to Farangs who pay more (as required) on the assumption that Farangs want or usually expect more. It would be interesting to know if that extra 1,000 baht Farang Tax generally means nothing extra is to be expected or if many girls who agree to go with a Farang and know he has paid 1,000 baht more are those willing to go off the menu here and there with them vs what happens when an Asian man pays the basic rate. In which case, probably worth it, imo.

Still, in my case I would be gambling that a, what, 4000-6000 baht bet will result in one of the only two ways I could or would finish OR result in no finish at all. Or perhaps a really disappointing finish, which these days I count as worse than no finish at all. I'd rather save it for a better way with a better girl an hour later. Such is the plight for guys whose essential or decisive needs are not openly offered for any amount of money and he must instead roll the dice on everything going his way just right in the room.

I would happily pay a BBFS upcharge and not complain about it if such an option was openly offered "on the menu". Let's say, if you can also produce a negative HIV blood check document less than one month old. Hell, they can even call it "The Stupid Evil Crazy Round-Eye White Man Tax" if it makes them feel better. lol. I'd still go there to pay the extra damn 1,000 baht or whatever for it. And I suspect I would not be the only one.