Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2235134]Ah, this report suggests that maybe some (or most?) La Belle girls just might be prepared to give a bit more to Farangs who pay more (as required) on the assumption that Farangs want or usually expect more.[/QUOTE]I think "some" is a much safer word here, and may even depend on how crazy she feels with a particular customer. Not wise to make assumptions. I have had soapy girls BB me in tub (uncommon) yet on a subsequent occasion did not do BB. Can be inconsistent.

Some of my regular bargirls suggest they are requested BBFS by about 25 to 30% of Farang customers, yet say they "never" give it. LOL We can be sceptical of course. I would think that Soapy girls may receive the request in similar numbers (without having done a survey). I mostly received BBFS in a circumstance where I did not even request it. I can't recall ever requesting it (at least in recent years). Some girls can be quite ignorant about STD dangers and pregnancy dangers. Poor education.

One girl I was doing regularly, on one occasion just suddenly yanked the condom off and said she did not like it. LOL Subsequently was quite inconsistent about when she would suggest to use a condom, possibly related to whether she had been recently tested herself, and whether any condom accidents had occurred since, etc., plus wanted to see my test results as well.

Maybe you experience many girls with inconsistent behaviour as well. Some girls change behaviour after some medical person gave them a lecture about their behaviour.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2235229]Maybe you experience many girls with inconsistent behaviour as well. Some girls change behaviour after some medical person gave them a lecture about their behaviour.[/QUOTE]I have only had two girls change their behavior regarding BBFS with me so far. One was a go-go dancer at Shark on Soi Cowboy, moved to Baccara. When she was working at Shark, she was fine with it after I agreed to her request to pay her an additional 500 baht. But after she moved to Baccara, she let me know she has decided not to do BBFS (with me at least), even if more money was paid. I asked her why and she did not say it had to do with any particular scare or report. Just general worry.

The other one just happened about a month ago. And it is very remotely possible the girl totally forgot she had allowed it with me on our earlier session and reverted back to what she thought was a hard held conviction without recalling that exception she had made with me. LOL. Was a girl from Butterflies in Nana Plaza. But there is more weirdness to the story. When I had taken her before (she was VERY lovey-dovey on the couch in that bar), the noise in the bar was so loud I did not notice her very guttural, hacking cough and stuffed nose voice. It wasn't until we got outside and back to my room that I realized this girl was going to hack and cough through whatever. SHE was the one who mounted me in cowgirl and slipped me in BB. But her coughing and condition was so distracting I honestly had no erotic interest in finishing. I paid her the agreed amount anyway. Nice guy.

So a couple of months later I happen to stop into Butterflies and there she is again. This time even MORE lovey-dovey and all apologetic about what had happened before. She assured me she was fine now and would I please give her a chance to make up for the previous mission crash. Sure. Sounds great. LOL. Well, that was the night I made the move to slip right in BB and she stopped me cold, like going BB with me this time was the most ridiculous idea she'd ever heard. Lolol. I asked what happened to change her mind and she acted like she didn't know what I meant. Whatever. This time I only gave her a nominal 500 baht for her time. Hey, I'm not THAT nice of a guy. IMO, there were too many possibilities that she was one of those bullshit now and bullshit always girls, so there it is. She seemed to take it well, understood fully and left with a smile.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2235236]Well, that was the night I made the move to slip right in BB and she stopped me cold, like going BB with me this time was the most ridiculous idea she'd ever heard. Lolol. I asked what happened to change her mind and she acted like she didn't know what I meant. Whatever. This time I only gave her a nominal 500 baht for her time. Hey, I'm not THAT nice of a guy. IMO, there were too many possibilities that she was one of those bullshit now and bullshit always girls, so there it is. She seemed to take it well, understood fully and left with a smile.[/QUOTE]Rings so true! LOL Girls can't even remember who they did what with, and denials that they would ever do such a thing. Some girls can't remember that they fucked me a previous time at all, or remember that I did them but completely forget the most recent occasion.

The thing they forget most, is how lousy they were last time. and therefore expect a repeat. LOL

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The thing they forget most, is how lousy they were last time. and therefore expect a repeat. LOL[/QUOTE]Oh, many times a girl I put out the door with only taxi money because she had either pulled a Yes In The Bar/No In The Room scam or was so uncooperitive as to convince me she intended to be given up on and put out quickly will still approach me in the bar like we're a perfect match and can't understand why I haven't taken them a second time. LOL.

I conclude either they have some weird payback revenge in mind, they are accustomed to having their crap service happily accepted and rewarded or, as you indicated, they are so scatter-brained and forgetful they just don't remember how bad they were.

Back in Bangkok, I would like to experience some massage (it's been many years since the last time).

I am especially interested in Club 102 and La Belle or eventually Mitu because I want a good quality of service with girls that are good looking (if I am mistaken, please say so).

Can you give me an idea of prices? I have read that a session in La Belle could cost between 3800 and 8000 baths with the Farang tax.

I was recently in Bangkok and went to Labelle because a mamasan friend of my is working there and before she used to work at the Lord, that's how I know her. I was asking her about the Lord and what's happening with that place and she told me that now it's still closed, but there are rumors that next year it will reopen. But when exactly it's unknown. She told me that most of the girls from the Lord and Copacabana are working now at a place called Colonze. By the way the Labelle has now more model category girls. The girls prices are: S 4300, G 4900, P 5500, the 6500, X 7500, L 8500, be 10500. I went there twice and had an amazing time with a X category girl called Plam, amazing fuck, like a porn star. Then had a terrible experience with a L category girl called Mai her number was L38. She was a disaster. Should not even be working there. I don't even want to remember that night, total waste of money and time. I saw one be category girl, and OMG she looked so beautiful but I didn't have enough money on me to choose her.

Went to Kiss Massage to meet Bam. Looks like my type. Web pics can be deceptive.

[URL]http://kissbangkokmassage.com/images/masseuses/bam/[/URL]

She was busy for another hour.

Fha looked okay For the face, but body not slim so no go. The others rather plain. Surveyed Soi 22 bars and massage places.

Hard to find a pretty girl anywhere in the whole Soi. LOL.

Visited other places. Later found a slim looker in Crazy house no. 72 with fabulous ass. Face 7+ body 9 (10 if did not have implants although an acceptable job). She had a customer. No other pretty girls there. Standard is well down from 3 years ago when I would have had 4 or 5 regular girls there. My last regular Oom has a sponser now, so does not work any more.

Of all new girls I tried in the last year, only about two were worth repeating from Boss massage and Mango and both are long gone now. So it has been very hard to find new girls that I can keep doing. My supply of regulars has been dropping. Only really 4 left, one from Orient massage with zero English, but nice GFE.

I got the testosterone test other day just in case there is something wrong with me. LOL although ended up with a Shark regular today, and that went very well. Have known Mali since over 6 years ago.

[QUOTE=DrCox;2235668]By the way the Labelle has now more model category girls. The girls prices are: S 4300, G 4900, P 5500, the 6500, X 7500, L 8500, be 10500. [/QUOTE]Singaporean punters are saying the prices start at 2800 baht. Have you missed out the lowest category or are they really charging a 1500 baht surcharge now?

It would be interesting to hear the nightmare story as just a few days ago posters were speculating that the surcharge may lead to higher standards of service.

[QUOTE=*****man;2235911]Singaporean punters are saying the prices start at 2800 baht. Have you missed out the lowest category or are they really charging a 1500 baht surcharge now?

It would be interesting to hear the nightmare story as just a few days ago posters were speculating that the surcharge may lead to higher standards of service.[/QUOTE]La Belle web site is really crappy.

S is the lowest Category. I never had to pay that much (4300) a few years back when I had an S category regular girl. I don't recall exactly how much it was now (at least 3 or 4 years later). She got promoted from S to higher level, but her service went downhill. She became more dick scared. Then she had a nose job and was uglier than before. LOL So I gave her away. Actually I stopped seeing her due to her price was not worth it any more, before the nose job. Her nose was really beautiful originally as were her real tits. Jip probably wanted to appeal more to the Asian customers, as her skin was a little bit darker than ideal for Asian customers.

I fear that if 4300 is the price for S category now, then that must include 1500 Farang surcharge (which has been increased at some point). Sister shop Utopia had a 1500 surcharge since many years ago (and I used to pay it for my favourite fun girl there). She put on weight, got more selfish, and service declined.

A high percentage of La Belle girls were dick scared in my experience, and a high percentage became surgeries girls. I have a pretty natural MP girl for much less (elsewhere) than that I am happy with, and would like to collect some more of those.

I don't mind paying a bit more for a fab girl like my ex Amsterdam regular, but have found it hard to find the girls really worth it. Just a lot of failed tries at La Belle in particular.

Could be just unlucky. My recent Soapy girl good sessions were at more budget priced places, so it could be I see cheaper cost girls are trying harder to get regular customers. Can't recall my last really high priced good GFE girl now at a Soapy. Maybe the problem lies with me somehow. Maybe they like younger guys.

Natty reports plenty of good experiences at La Belle, so not sure why I have failed to select the right girl so many times.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2235945]Natty reports plenty of good experiences at La Belle, so not sure why I have failed to select the right girl so many times.[/QUOTE]It could be the difference between a visitor (Natty) and a resident (you). I have said this before in the Thailand General Reports thread and also in the Philippines thread. When you are visiting for a few days / weeks you are tuned differently. It is all about maximizing your experience. Sometimes that might lead to a compromise. But when you are a resident, you tend to get more patient and more discerning. Even jaded.

Why are people ambitious to accomplish things in a lifetime and leave behind a legacy? Because their time on this planet is limited and they know it. Now imagine if you have 300 years to live, worse yet if you were immortal, wouldn't you go about approaching those accomplishments in a different way? No urgency, no maximizing, no compromises.

I visit this shop again, as my friend introduce to me new ladies, I ask how good are they, he says one is quite experience (Koy) and the other one is a part time student from local university (Yuki), just arrived. I might as well try. I took Koy for a 2 hour massage and full service, since I rather try experience masseuse. Koy has a nice body, gave me a normal back massage to be started with, then proceed with using gel & body to body massage. My penis accidentally slip into her vagina and I purposely penetrate a few times for a raw feel. Haha, she is shock but politely smile and quickly back to massaging again. For a moment I feel abit regret as why didn't I try my luck and push more. But still afterwards I believe that safe sex is always important and better to be safe than sorry. At the end I feel okay and satisfy with it. As for the local student Yuki, I will try next round as I run out of bullets. Will provide review again as soon as I try them all.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2235987] When you are visiting for a few days / weeks you are tuned differently. It is all about maximizing your experience. Sometimes that might lead to a compromise. But when you are a resident, you tend to get more patient and more discerning. Even jaded.
[/QUOTE]Maybe I am not exuberant enough, and need to act like a tourist, choose girl more quickly. Speak no Thai or really bad Thai just a few words. Trade in for a really short dick, as many La Belle girls did not seem relaxed with me (a bit scared or stiff legs).

I do believe I need to go for girls who normally have Farang customers and prefer them, and yet are still naturally really attractive. That gets harder and harder to find each year here. So many gogos now Japanese, Korean and Chinese dominated. La Belle is a bit too oriented towards the Asian customers to really suit me.

Went to Kiss to try Bam. She was busy but none of the others looked good enough to be a substitute. So just ended up doing a known girl at Shark. The safe option. There was probably only one other girl there at Shark, cute enough and she was a Coyote. Just getting too hard to please. The hunt for girls 8 to 9 points out of 10 continues. LOL I tried such a 9 points girl last week. Body of perfection. Wonderful to watch dancing nude with the vibrating firm tits. A starfish on the bed. LOL So disappointing. Hoped she might come out of her shell.

Maybe I will try for Bam again today (Patience). I have only seen her pics to date, so could be disappointment.

I think would be different though if each new girl tried was giving me a fabulous time on the bed. There are only 5 girls on my list of available regulars these days and one is the Mrs. No fatties, no nose jobs. Yesterday a daytime fuck was enough for me.

Shortly I will be like a newbie sex tourist elsewhere. New hunting grounds, where I won't even speak the local language. Soon I will get my testosterone test results. Maybe my levels are low, since having being starting to feel bored by whole monger scene and lazy to try new girls.

[QUOTE=*****man;2235911]Singaporean punters are saying the prices start at 2800 baht. Have you missed out the lowest category or are they really charging a 1500 baht surcharge now?

It would be interesting to hear the nightmare story as just a few days ago posters were speculating that the surcharge may lead to higher standards of service.[/QUOTE]The mamasan I know from the Lord showed me these prices when I went there, it was written on a card. Yes these prices have the surcharge included. She also sent it to me on line, I also got invited into a private messaging group where I can see pictures of the girls working there. Not every single girl though. To be honest many of the girls there have too much plastic surgery, the girl I had a good time with she also over did the surgery part a bit too much, she told me western guys never choose her, I was her first one. But her skills made up for everything, she was so wild and just amazing.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2235987]It could be the difference between a visitor (Natty) and a resident (you). I have said this before in the Thailand General Reports thread and also in the Philippines thread. When you are visiting for a few days / weeks you are tuned differently. It is all about maximizing your experience. Sometimes that might lead to a compromise. But when you are a resident, you tend to get more patient and more discerning. Even jaded.
[/QUOTE]Perhaps part of the reason for my knack of finding good girls and having a great time in BKK, Yangon, Pattaya, and now Jakarta this trip and all my previous trips to Asia is that, I, like Ponyboy am still golden. Ha Ha. And by that I mean I usually come to SE Asia after a 9. 5 month sentence in Purgatory South Florida, so I come fresh, upbeat, and ready to make the most of what is laid out on a golden platter in front of me. Most importantly, I still enjoy the hunt, finding new girls, and seeing what if anything develops between us.

I think a lot of longtime residents, on the other hand, do get jaded and forget about all the possibilities that are still out there waiting for them. They tend to remember only the good ol' days when this or that honky tonk really shined. When prices were much lower. And when they were Golden! Fresh, new to the scene, and everything sparkled like gold.

But let me assure everyone, things are still pretty damn good in BKK. There are still plenty of attractive young Go Go girls at your beck and call (it has always been about the top 5% to 8%), still some great soapy girls, (even though the number of soapy parlors has declined), hundreds if not thousands of social media internet girls (the new venue), and even in places that have lost their former glory like Thermae, a ton of girls show up there every night even in low season (again consider only the top 5% and you will find something good most of the time).

Look, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. If LOS no longer turns you on or it just seems bland and ordinary nowadays, so be it. You should take a break, go back to your homeland for 6 months, or check out some other scene.

That is what I did after having stupendous times in the 70's and 80's in Latin America. My 1976 trip to SA, for example, lasted 2 years. But then over the subsequent years, especially the 90's, I got tired of the continent and culture and began checking out Thailand and then the rest of SE Asia. 2002 was the last time I was in Costa Rica. It was such a downer! The beaches and the girls. And CR in the 70's was nothing short of amazing. It was my favorite country. I will never go back! Ditto for me on Colombia and Brazil. I just got burned out on those destinations and IMO they changed too much for me to take.

Likewise I am sure there are some guys who experienced LOS in the 70's and 80's and feel the same way about LOS that I feel about Latin America. But so far, LOS and some other choice locations in SE Asia are still are golden for me. I hope that never changes.

So in the immortal words of Johnny Winter & Rick Derringer, BKK is "still alive and well even though every now and then it's kind of hard to tell. I'm still alive and well."

Rock on everybody.

NB.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2236203]Perhaps part of the reason for my knack of finding good girls and having a great time in BKK, Yangon, Pattaya, and now Jakarta this trip and all my previous trips to Asia is that, I, like Ponyboy am still golden. Ha Ha. And by that I mean I usually come to SE Asia after a 9. 5 month sentence in Purgatory South Florida, so I come fresh, upbeat, and ready to make the most of what is laid out on a golden platter in front of me. Most importantly, I still enjoy the hunt, finding new girls, and seeing what if anything develops between us.

I think a lot of longtime residents, on the other hand, do get jaded and forget about all the possibilities that are still out there waiting for them. They tend to remember only the good ol' days when this or that honky tonk really shined. When prices were much lower. And when they were Golden! Fresh, new to the scene, and everything sparkled like gold.

But let me assure everyone, things are still pretty damn good in BKK. There are still plenty of attractive young Go Go girls at your beck and call (it has always been about the top 5% to 8%), still some great soapy girls, (even though the number of soapy parlors has declined), hundreds if not thousands of social media internet girls (the new venue), and even in places that have lost their former glory like Thermae, a ton of girls show up there every night even in low season (again consider only the top 5% and you will find something good most of the time).

Look, I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. If LOS no longer turns you on or it just seems bland and ordinary nowadays, so be it. You should take a break, go back to your homeland for 6 months, or check out some other scene.

That is what I did after having stupendous times in the 70's and 80's in Latin America. My 1976 trip to SA, for example, lasted 2 years. But then over the subsequent years, especially the 90's, I got tired of the continent and culture and began checking out Thailand and then the rest of SE Asia. 2002 was the last time I was in Costa Rica. It was such a downer! The beaches and the girls. And CR in the 70's was nothing short of amazing. It was my favorite country. I will never go back! Ditto for me on Colombia and Brazil. I just got burned out on those destinations and IMO they changed too much for me to take.

Likewise I am sure there are some guys who experienced LOS in the 70's and 80's and feel the same way about LOS that I feel about Latin America. But so far, LOS and some other choice locations in SE Asia are still are golden for me. I hope that never changes.

So in the immortal words of Johnny Winter & Rick Derringer, BKK is "still alive and well even though every now and then it's kind of hard to tell. I'm still alive and well."

Rock on everybody.

NB.[/QUOTE]Keep rocking NB. Truer words have never been spoken. I guess everyone has fond memories about something or the other from the past. That is why its called the good ol' days. And the trick to avoid getting jaded, as with anything, is to constantly unlearn and learn, change up routine, challenge your own assumptions and beliefs, try something new even if you don't think you will like it particularly.

I could go on about these things. But then, Dylan said it all too well.

Then you better start swimmin'.

Or you'll sink like a stone.

For the times they are a-changin'.