American Politics

[QUOTE=Spidy;2979667]Again, not true! You would be incorrect!

Many of those ICE or EVs by Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Volvo, VW and Tesla cars being sold in Europe (and to a lesser degree in the USA) were made in China. You don't get to be this good and take market share from legacy auto, by just being cheap!

China has learnt from the best (in Europe and the USA), NOT on just how to manufacture quality vehicles, but also how to make a wider range price of vehicles and still maintain a level of fit and quality, benefiting consumers of every price point on the scale of car buyers. From all types of EV/Hybrids of PREMIUM QUALITY to the VERY CHEAP, China just does it better or just as good as legacy auto. Their vehicles are appealing to consumers in every income bracket.

Today, when it comes to making EVs, China along with Tesla, are seen as being, the better all around manufacturers of EVs, because of their seamless integration of car mechanics, computer electronic integration and smart infotainment systems.

Given today's "smart buyers", who want and desire more "software defined" and "e-mobility" type vehicles, especially in the world's biggest car market, is why China/Tesla are TOPs when it comes to selling EVs and gaining market share year over year.[/QUOTE]I know China sell more and more and not only cars, in EU and USA, but not meaning because of quality. In Germany, when administration support fell for electric cars, Germans then buy much less electric cars, showing they only buy when not expensive, otherwise they prefer thermic cars. When You love cars, You don t drive electric cars, but at least 6 cylinders engine. When batteries pollute a lot and not lasting long, don t forget our earth turn and what happen in China and USA is above our heads daily, also polluting our air abroad. On the other hand, when You buy a quality thermic car, use your brain to power with from agriculture gas, like french E85 , keeping your car for at least 10 years and 300000 kms, then You have a real car, not just a slow bus and You pollute less than electric cars production and which won t last long. I much prefer my V8 Audi built in Ingolstadt. De I powered with french E85 , more powerful and 0% pollution on technical control, than being fucked by shameful Musk or China. In USA, I would buy only a V8 Dodge charger. China use to sell us not expensive low quality products and people buy because they have less and less money, but I don t buy shits when I feel wasting my money, like I won t buy many USA products which are also low quality, like foods making us obese sick and Coca even have pollution in drinks problems in EU. When I drive to Germany, about 1200 kms to go and back, if I don t find a girl on my standard, I prefer to return home with full balls than wasting my money for low quality, when my brain always decide and I hate to be fucked.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2979686]Are you sure you're hetero? Because "disgusting" is a word so favored by the LGBT community to express their outrage online LMFAO.

Rotten to the core? Yes the Democrats are without a doubt rotten to the core for sure.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/31/nolte-democrat-partys-popularity-hits-record-lows/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20250131[/URL][/QUOTE][B]Trump is the only president never to have exceeded a positive approval rating of 50 per cent.
Donald Trump has record low net approval rating for new president.
Overall level of support in post-inauguration poll is worst since records began in 1953.
Jan. 31, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.thetimes.com/us/american-politics/article/donald-trump-has-record-low-net-approval-rating-for-new-president-vd8wz6n8q[/URL]

[QUOTE]President Trump has the lowest net approval rating at the start of a presidential term since modern polling began with Dwight Eisenhower in 1953.

His net rating of minus 1 per cent in a longstanding Gallup poll of new American leaders is worse than the record low of 0 per cent he set at the outset of his first term in 2017.[/QUOTE]Welp. He did break a record. He broke his own record for the lowest approval rating he set himself the last time.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979697]I think I am going to have to put on my Spidy translator.

Translation: Biden good. Me: Any proof Biden good, or are you just blabbing as usual.

Me: Okay, so no proof.

Me: MAGA bad, tech companies bad, Dems / Biden good. Same crap, different day. Translator off.

What really happened is that Biden had this brain dead idea that if he funded a few of his favored AI companies, he could control them and all of AI. I did not say that. Marc Andreessen did on Joe Rogan. The one thing that AI companies do not need is government capital. Wall Street has been shoveling it to them in droves.

Thing is Andreessen flipped on the Dems and went Trump once he saw a Soviet style approach to AI. Now that China has produced a good product for far less than what American AI companies did, it looks like the AI companies did very little if any good work and just pocketed the money Biden was throwing at them.

Despite what the European snob said, Chinese cars are higher quality than European and American ones. They did not used to be. So kudos on getting that one right.

As for American car companies competing, you can only compete when there is a level or near level playing ground. Chinese cars are 50% cheaper to produce, and they can innovate for 10% of the cost of American companies and innovate more quickly.

No one can compete with those conditions.[/QUOTE]You can't be another CCP asslicker?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnmuGikjRoI[/URL] $6,000,000,000,000 every 10 yrs that's $6 trillion USD.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xj9jp57r2o[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2025/01/31/brazil-unearths-more-evidence-of-china-exporting-slavery-through-byd/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gmwizard_report-chinese-ev-maker-byd-using-imported-activity-7279620415264604161-YRlN[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/26/business/byd-brazil-chinese-workers-conditions-intl/index.html[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/brazil-byd-chinese-workers-trafficking-48df18be2cd85ff1b96e972fc4c8cbbf[/URL]

BYD uses slave labor, stolen American IP, and American investors and you want to sing about them?

Did you buy stock? WTF are all far right wingers anti American like not so Tiny Tina?

Are all foreign born people in America anti American? Is that how it works?

If you're not loyal to us who are you loyal to? No one? Only your novia in Sudamerica?

[URL]https://www.autonews.com/china/did-byd-steal-designs-rivals/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/mobility/2019/03/23/tesla-apple-charge-chinese-billionaire-trade-secret-theft/39244863/[/URL]

[URL]https://movieweb.com/anthony-mackie-captain-america-red-hulk-donald-trump-comparison/[/URL]

Don't TREAD ON MAGA.

How many high end chips is Deepthink using that they rec'd around the sanctions from the west?

This is what you want to invest in and defend? You better be careful Our Lord and Savior might lock your ass up with Tiny Tina for Treason!!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2979806]Trump is the only president never to have exceeded a positive approval rating of 50 per cent..[/QUOTE]That is great for you dumb Dems for the 2028 election then. Oh wait, Trump cannot run in 2028.

So who gives a fuck?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979842]That is great for you dumb Dems for the 2028 election then. Oh wait, Trump cannot run in 2028.

So who gives a fuck?[/QUOTE]LOL. Nobody in the history of USA politics gives a fuck MORE about ratings of every possible kind than thin-skinned, constantly melting snowflake, totally justifiable inferiority complex Donald J. Trump.

He never had a "mandate" and sure as shit no "landslide" by any normal measure to do anything he has ever done.

Starting out with the lowest rating of any new administration, TWICE, even before his actual campaign promises are kept, places him in the unique position to be more likely to be run out of office by his own blood-thirsty MAGA Cult Members and hung upside-down by his feet in the town square so everyone can piss on his corpse vs being lauded as a hero after keeping his campaign promises to jack up the prices of everything and create huge low cost labor shortages around the country.

Promises made.

Promises kept.

Ok, two weeks late. But still GREAT!

[B]'Tariffs are not the answer': Industry and corporate leaders react to Trump duties on Mexico, Canada and China.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/01/tariffs-are-not-the-answer-industry-and-corporate-leaders-react-to-trump-tariffs-on-mexico-canada-and-china.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Titans of Industry from home building, groceries, damn I'm glad Trump invented that word, alcoholic beverages, home furnishings, the steel industry, the automotive industry, retailers of every stripe are squealing like stuck pigs now over the fact that Trump has finally stumbled upon a campaign promise over two terms he can keep.

But don't worry too much about the crocodile tears being shed by those Titans. Just as they have always done regarding Tariffs, they will simply use them as an excuse to jack up costs all up and down the American marketplace, as we've learned, sometimes using them as an excuse to jack up prices even BEFORE Trump imposed them so even more enthusiastically so AFTER he has imposed them.

You can be damn certain that if they are racing out with the press releases for how terrible, terrible, terrible it is going to be for the poor put-upon American Working Men and Women Consumer that those dastardly Trump Tariffs will probably increases prices for them, that means they WILL be raising prices on everything they can think of and not by a little bit.

Ah. Glorious. Thank you for your vote.

Do not shrug off or dismiss the historically proven impact on raising prices in response to the mere "talk" about and "expectation" of higher and higher inflation. It is a real phenomenon.

By some studies, Trump and MAGAs constant bullshit about how Biden's brilliant economic recovery legislation was causing bacon to "cost 300% more" was actually more responsible for grocery, damn I'm glad Trump invented that word, stores increasing the cost of bacon than it ever would have been without all the Trump and MAGA bullshit about it. LOL. Which is why inflation hit bullshitters in Red States harder than for truth-tellers in Blue States.

Oh well.

Now the "MAGA New Golden Era" fun REALLY begins! Lololol.

I support Canada and Mexico to answer Trump, also increasing taxes, when Trump thinks he is gambling in casino. Our world have to resist to a guy behaving like him. I can t say I support also China because of shameful lying administration, no human rights respect and they lower our world with tok tok and their cheap shit products, nevertheless I can understand they answer to Trump in same way he is using. Even a island, but whole UK regret now they left EU, they should return, to make EU more powerful, USA have 350 billions debt with Europe.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2979833]BYD uses slave labor, stolen American IP, and American investors and you want to sing about them?

Did you buy stock? WTF are all far right wingers anti American like not so Tiny Tina?[/QUOTE]No, I own American cars and have always liked them more. Only car I have ever owned that was not was a Mercedes. It was great, but I will never buy one again because the costs of maintenance and repairs on it were astronomical.

Thing about Chinese cars is I was in them in South America, and they are amazing. I see what is happening in Chile and the prices of Chinese cars there and then I talked to a guy who owns multiple dealerships in the USA. He is the one who told me about the quality and the costs. There was a lighting issue with a dash. BYD management was talking with Ford management. Ford said we could fix that but it would cost a million dollars and take a year. BYD has more and cheaper engineers, and BYD management said that they could get the lighting issue done for $1000 and get it done in a month. That was jaw dropping news to the Ford execs.

He is the one who is telling me the Chinese cars are the most flawless cars ever built. Apparently, this is not an opinion but something that is objectively measured. When I heard this, I was like American car companies and European ones are going to be extinct. How do you compete with that?

I was talking to another guy who loves American cars. He has built a huge garage for all his cars. When I told him about this he was skeptical. And like you and me initially, he wanted to protect the American auto industry. Thing is he has town homes that he has rented out and wants to sell. I told him that if we let Chinese cars in and prices come down, interest rates will go down, and he will have more buyers for his townhomes, and he will probably get more money.

The other part is people including me are hesitant to remove the tariffs on Chinese cars, but I have been using this to give shit to all the people complaining about Trump's tariffs. Were all you people who are bellyaching about Trump's tariffs griping about the tariffs on Chinese cars? Yeah, I thought not. So it really is not tariffs. It is just Trump's tariffs you are griping about you hypocrites.

I am really on the fence with this one though MDS. On the one hand, Caddys and Vettes and Mustangs are not just part of American culture but part of my personal culture. My emotional side desperately does not want that to end but the rational part of my brain knows that it is over. The American car companies cannot compete with the Chinese ones so why drag it out. Why not admit the truth and take the benefits that reality has to offer?

I know that is what is best, but emotionally I am not ready for those tariffs to come down. I want to believe there is a path where they can survive.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2979833]You can't be another CCP asslicker?

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnmuGikjRoI[/URL] $6,000,000,000,000 every 10 yrs that's $6 trillion USD.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xj9jp57r2o[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2025/01/31/brazil-unearths-more-evidence-of-china-exporting-slavery-through-byd/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gmwizard_report-chinese-ev-maker-byd-using-imported-activity-7279620415264604161-YRlN[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/26/business/byd-brazil-chinese-workers-conditions-intl/index.html[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/brazil-byd-chinese-workers-trafficking-48df18be2cd85ff1b96e972fc4c8cbbf[/URL]..[/QUOTE]I actually thought BYD was nothing to worry about as they produce mostly electric cars, and there are all kind of issues with electric cars. They do sell a hybrid that uses gasoline to make electricity and that technology is interesting but BYD is kind of greedy. What I mean is they are selling cars that go for $17,000 in China for $30,000 in Mexico and $25,000 in Chile. They are ripping people off IMO. They sound like they are selling a lot of hopium bullshit.

While BYD is greedy, the company selling cars under the brand Chery is selling cars in Chile for much the same price as China. The lowest priced car in the USA is a Nissan going for like $20,000. They have brand new Chery cars going for $9000 in Chile, and they are nice.

It is companies like Chery, and there are few more like them, not BYD that would bring down car prices. BYD is full of themselves.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979992]I actually thought BYD was nothing to worry about as they produce mostly electric cars, and there are all kind of issues with electric cars. They do sell a hybrid that uses gasoline to make electricity and that technology is interesting but BYD is kind of greedy. What I mean is they are selling cars that go for $17,000 in China for $30,000 in Mexico and $25,000 in Chile. They are ripping people off IMO. They sound like they are selling a lot of hopium bullshit.

While BYD is greedy, the company selling cars under the brand Chery is selling cars in Chile for much the same price as China. The lowest priced car in the USA is a Nissan going for like $20,000. They have brand new Chery cars going for $9000 in Chile, and they are nice.

It is companies like Chery, and there are few more like them, not BYD that would bring down car prices. BYD is full of themselves.[/QUOTE]I have seen a few dealers in Russia, I went in to look around in one in Moscow.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979987]No, I own American cars and have always liked them more. Only car I have ever owned that was not was a Mercedes. It was great, but I will never buy one again because the costs of maintenance and repairs on it were astronomical.

Thing about Chinese cars is I was in them in South America, and they are amazing. I see what is happening in Chile and the prices of Chinese cars there and then I talked to a guy who owns multiple dealerships in the USA. He is the one who told me about the quality and the costs. There was a lighting issue with a dash. BYD management was talking with Ford management. Ford said we could fix that but it would cost a million dollars and take a year. BYD has more and cheaper engineers, and BYD management said that they could get the lighting issue done for $1000 and get it done in a month. That was jaw dropping news to the Ford execs.

He is the one who is telling me the Chinese cars are the most flawless cars ever built. Apparently, this is not an opinion but something that is objectively measured. When I heard this, I was like American car companies and European ones are going to be extinct. How do you compete with that?

I was talking to another guy who loves American cars. He has built a huge garage for all his cars. When I told him about this he was skeptical. And like you and me initially, he wanted to protect the American auto industry. Thing is he has town homes that he has rented out and wants to sell. I told him that if we let Chinese cars in and prices come down, interest rates will go down, and he will have more buyers for his townhomes, and he will probably get more money.

The other part is people including me are hesitant to remove the tariffs on Chinese cars, but I have been using this to give shit to all the people complaining about Trump's tariffs. Were all you people who are bellyaching about Trump's tariffs griping about the tariffs on Chinese cars? Yeah, I thought not. So it really is not tariffs. It is just Trump's tariffs you are griping about you hypocrites.

I am really on the fence with this one though MDS. On the one hand, Caddys and Vettes and Mustangs are not just part of American culture but part of my personal culture. My emotional side desperately does not want that to end but the rational part of my brain knows that it is over. The American car companies cannot compete with the Chinese ones so why drag it out. Why not admit the truth and take the benefits that reality has to offer?

I know that is what is best, but emotionally I am not ready for those tariffs to come down. I want to believe there is a path where they can survive.[/QUOTE]When you have thermic atmospheric car like my Audi S5 V8 and you know what is a car, you can limit maintenance and gas costs, when almost impossible with hybrid and electric ones. Mercedes should be higher quality than US cars.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2979697]

Despite what the European snob said, Chinese cars are higher quality than European and American ones.[/QUOTE]Oh, that's wonderful. You won't have a problem backing it up, will you?

Sorry, American Working Men and Women. President Musk needs a deeper and more generous tax cut.

You paying an additional 10%-25% in Trump Tariff Taxes on the American Consumer for so many things is nice. But that will not be enough to do it:

[B]To help pay for Trump tax cuts, new taxes on work perks become GOP target.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/02/to-help-pay-for-trump-tax-cuts-new-taxes-on-work-perks-are-gop-target.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

To that determinative but relative handful of angry Muslims, all of the MAGAs and all of the other non Harris voters, thank you for your vote.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2980023]I have seen a few dealers in Russia, I went in to look around in one in Moscow.[/QUOTE]They had a bad rep and they were poorly made in the past but now look at them, [URL]https://chery.cl/[/URL].

So it is like one dollar to 1,000 Chilean pesos so you divide by a thousand to get the actual price. You have to click on modelos to see the price. Thing is they include these huge like laptop screens, crazy cool lighting, and apparently the Chinese have been kicking ass with the AC and heating units, and I can tell you that they ride nice too.

But look at what you get for brand new for $10,000 or even $15,000. Then go to [URL]https://www.hertzcarsales.com/[/URL] and see what you get for that same amount. For the same price, you get something five years old with 50,000 miles on it.

And if Chinese cars depreciate like the other ones do, you will see people buying them used for $5000. Can you imagine how car insurance is going to plummet if cars cost that much?

If you look at this, it is obvious the USA cannot compete whether we like it or not.

"Despite what the European snob said, Chinese cars are higher quality than European and American ones" (hey a broken clock is correct 2 x a day).

Nobody is gullible enough to believe this Elvis, the CCP just churns out slave made garbage, to overfill landfills.

I'm sorry you were gullible to buy stock, but for your lack of loyalty to our country (hasn't it been very good to you) you deserve to lose your ass.

But some of the America haters in this thread will probably agree with you ie, Spidy and ET (which I suspect are actually the same person?