Jakarta

...Even without introducing themselves, just a rude
line "hey bro, pls send me h/p# of ur gal" or s/t like
that...

Right! It's the same guy(s)

On a different note, given that the "dating site method" has been discussed at length, I wonder if anyone has tried the "getting a model girl from a glossy magazine" method?! I've never seen any reports on this so let me explain.

First, don't bother to read any further if you want a quick score in a few hours - everyone knows how and were to do that, how much it costs etc etc. This is an even more long winded process than the "dating site" method. I've done it, but only when I am in UK with time to spare and a bit of help "on the ground" from reliable local sources.

"All" you need to do is:

1. buy a slightly naughty (that's all you will get anyway) girly magazine
2. select a girl or two from it
3. contact the right person at the magazine
4. get the girl's number and hey presto you are there.

Of course it gets harder once you pass action 2.

I must admit, I only decided to try this after I already knew a girl who had modelled for one of these magazines and she told me that "all" the girls in there (except her of course) do it because as well as getting paid, they can "meet rich men".

What I did, having elicited some relevant information from my friend, was ask a local male (native speaker) friend of mine to call the magazine - the number was published in it - and say he was an agent for a bule business man who needed to entertain some clients and wanted a couple of nice girls to act as hosts at a small social event. He mentioned some appropriate girls in the magazine and asked if I could he meet them to discuss this opportunity (ie sort of interview)? There was some too-ing and fro-ing to get to the right person in the magazine but eventually, through my local friend, I got two hp numbers. I only met one of the girls (time constraints) and took her to dinner. She was not one who would drop her pants on the first night (unusual I know and I may have been wrong). I called her next day and said the client meeting was off but I'd like to see her again. No problem; and after a little shopping in PS: straight back to my hotel. I've forgotten the name of the magazine but I have a copy and will look it out, however there are plenty to go at.

I found one of the magazines to which I referred in the next posting. It's EX and I've attached one of the pages which shows all the girls in this particular issue. There is a write-up on each girl which of course is totally fictitious so don't take any notice of that.

Just curious B69, why is number 32's face blacked out?

- just me being "over-cautious" I guess, about revealing my identity. If "No32" saw this post she would know for sure that bulai69 is me. She is the girl I referred to in the inital post on this subject: i.e. the girl who I met through the process I described. As I mentioned in a different context; there are a hell of people reading this forum who never "surface".

I think most readers will agree, looking at those photos, that there is someone to suit everyone's taste in there?! If there isn't you are in the wrong forum.

[QUOTE=Bulai69]- just me being "over-cautious" I guess, about revealing my identity. If "No32" saw this post she would know for sure that bulai69 is me. She is the girl I referred to in the inital post on this subject: i.e. the girl who I met through the process I described. As I mentioned in a different context; there are a hell of people reading this forum who never "surface".

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[i]Hey bro, pls send me h/p# of ur gal....[/i]

ROFLMAO :D

Venue: Maybar (Blok M). I proposed 500 thousand, she replied "short time". For TLN she wanted -- and got -- 700 thousand. I'm usually horny between 6 and 8 am. Since you don't find any girl in JKT at those hours there's nothing but to nail one on the evening and keep her till day-break. On another occasion I adressed a good-looking girl on my way out of Maybar to the tune of "do you want to go back to the hotel with me, 500 thousand OK?". Again, "short time!" was the girl's reply. I mumbled something to the effect that I needed sleep before getting into action and she should stay with me until 8. My expectation that she would come in with a reasonable counter-offer or accept my 500 thousand was in vain. She kept smiling but didn't come forward. I went home empy-handed and I hope she did as well. I know some have written here that I should take the girl with me and give her 500 thousand -- or whatever I'm willing to afford -- the next morning rather than negotiate. But in my monger's life I never, ever took a girl to my room without a price having been agreed upon, I'm too old to change my ways now.

Change of venue: Hayam Wuruk, around 2 o'clock a.m., crusing in a silver bird towards downtown (towards "Jakarta Pusat", ie away from Stadium/Mangga Bessar). Between 15 and 20 girls were arrayed there. They stood beside their motocycle-riding pimps, the latter ready to take off with their hoe at the slightest hint of a police patrol. When I lowered the cab-windown the asking price for TLN was one million, up-front! The short-time (defined as a 2-hour span!) was priced at 500 thousand. I don't do those street-girls any more, the condition to pay up-front is especially unacceptable. Getting paid in advance, most of those girls will insist on using a condom, not because they are particularly health-conscious, but because half the time the client calls it a day and the girl can leave immediately, hurrah! Note that if you're in blok M there's some street action in "Jalan Melawai Raya" after midnight. I think that's the street where both the Melawai hotels are situated. Up to eight girls were "hitch-hiking" there when I cruised along. I didn't bother to enquire about prices.

Stadium 4th floor is now a disco for either strict mongers (who get pestered by girl-touting mamasans every other minute), or local gays. The 2nd floor now houses a disco for "normal" couples.

Indonesian TV reported about the police raiding a party of teenagers of both sexes for having sex between themselves while in possession of (1) "obat keras" and (2) "alat kontrasepsi". The former means "potenty pills", which can only be Viagra, the latter stands for "means of contraception" in other words condoms. No wonder condoms are not popular in Indonesia if it is illegal for young people to have them. The police was seen actually handcuffing the youth and carrying them away.

BATS is not doing too well, not enough customers. I didn't do any BATS girl this time, they price themselves too high and can be had at a discount later in the night at Blok M or elsewhere. But I hope BATS will keep alive. It has good pizzas and with ear-plugs to keep off the noxious music it's a nice place to relax with sexy girls in one's field of view.

Melawai 6th floor is definitely going down. I suspect the few doable girls that remain only come so that they can keep in touch with their regular customers.

Each new shopping mall being built drives an existing one into bankrupcy. Plaza Senayan, not so long ago the most select of all, is now scrambling to revamp itself to withstand competition. This shopping mall frenzy may be to our advantage: even if there were a general crack-down on night-life in JKT, the countless shopping malls would provide an endless reservoir of hunting opportunities. In fact, making contact with the other sex may be the real purpose of shopping malls, at least in JKT.

Bulai69 is right about the models in those magazines in that they always do look out for rich men.. Ive never tried his method but all I would say is that if you do try that method and happen to get a meeting make sure to look the part :P

Thanks for the update XXL! I have been following the Jakarta FL scene on a Indonesian website and Im amazed that the locals are presently paying from 300K and above for very plain looking FLs which I wont even pick up from Plaza Atrium and worse still price for overnite starts from 700K and above for very odinary looking FLs. Has the local market prices risen so much. I had also been communicating with some local Jakarta mongerers and they have also informed me that pricing for local FLs have gone up tremendously!

My question has it really gone that high?

Thanks in advance for your anticipated answers!

KL Guy

XXL, You paint a dim picture of the current situation. I think you must have just been unlucky. I was in Jakarta all of last week. I took a girl home every night and never gave any girl over 500k for the entire night. I give every girl I take home 500k for the night pretty much as a rule. I didn't take home any girl who negotiated price up front though. There was only one girl that week who wanted to negotiate price up front. She was the most attractive girl at My Bar that night, but her personality was crap (Unfortunately, I speak bahasa well enough to be able to figure out whether they are charming or not - it was much more fun when I couldn't understand a word they said, back then they were all charming - LOL). Although she was very hot, I wasn't interested in her so much, but my friend was. We asked her to come with my friend for the night. She said "how much you pay me"? Right then we realized this was probably going to be a less than satisfactory experience. She asked 700k for a short time. My friend and I just laughed and walked away.

I understand why you would want to negotiate up front to avoid any problems later. I don't like to take those type of girls because I live in Jakarta and don't like the hard core, unfeeling prostitutes. I find that if they are negotiating up front, they more often than not end up being lacking as a gfe. I prefer the sweeter ones who actually have a bit of sensitivity. I'll see those type of girls multiple times and actually hang out with them on occassion. If I were a visiter, I'd probably negotiate up front.

Condoms are not illegal in Jakarta. They are openly sold at every grocery and convenience store in town. Drugs are illegal.

[QUOTE=XXL]
No wonder condoms are not popular in Indonesia if it is illegal for young people to have them. [/QUOTE]


Good for us, BBA, brother! LOL!

Smoothy, I have to agree with your observations. As a frequent Blok M visitor, most girls know me by sight at least. They know from gossip that I have a few favorites, they then know that I will help out with pulsa etc from time to time. They know that I do not mistreat them and they know that they will usually get repeat business from me. To this end I still pay 400K a night. The girls know that I am not going to shag them senseless all night and they have a chance of a good sleep with a second lazy bout in the morning.
Occasionally when I approach a new girl if she asks about money I almost invariably walk away. Whilst the above may not work for all, it stands me in good stead in my neck of the woods.

Sorry guys. I have been remiss in posting experiences and observations over the last several years. I guess I now fit into B69's definition of a "lurker".

Anyway, I was in Jakarta this past November and had a interesting conversation with a free lancer at one of the five star venues. Discussion went on to the difference between a girl that occasionally free lances and a prostitute. According to her, the difference is that a prostitute will always pre-negotiate a price before accepting and leaving with her "john". Whereas the occasional free lancer follows her boyfriend of the evening if she likes him and is hoping to receive some "gift" from him in the morning. If the gift is satisfactory, then she may want to exchange phone numbers with him in order to keep seeing him. If the gift is not satisfactory then she simply chalks it up to one of "life's lessons".

I think this is an Indonesian solution to the prostitution conundrum. I am not a prostitute because I don't ask for money. However, I do expect to have some compensation is a nicely Indonesian way of avoiding the self recrimination of prostitution.

As for me, I am keeping my hand in for the occasional mongering night. But over the last couple of years, I have been cultivating and finely harvesting a stable of girls that are not necessarily "in the business". So I tend to use this forum as a reference on what is happening around town.

Take care. I sign off now, yah ?


af

"Ive never tried his method but all I would say is that if you do try that method and happen to get a meeting make sure to look the part :P" - you are absolutely correct my friend - and you need to be prepared to be generous (some may say stupid!) to go with that..

I was somewhat alarmed by XXL's assessment, though encouraged by Smoothy's report with which I sympathise. It's only a month since I was in JKT so I don't think things have changed much in that time. For what it's worth, I have almost never discussed money "up front" and even less frequently have I agreed a figure up-front and taken the girl home. I can well understand why some people do and on the face of it, it makes sense and in theory, avoids problems later.

However, I think there is a very strong correlation between those girls who negotiate up front and those who over-charge and perhaps, even, provide poor service. Clearly they are engaging in a purely commercial transaction and likely to behave accordingly throughout the whole process - including, trying to extract more money afterwards if only for the "taxi", not to mention their younger brother's school fees, their sick parents in hospital etc etc. Even if you don't cave in to that, I think it costs more overall which is what XXL has reported.

Any girl who doesn't discuss money up front is less likely to be a full time hooker and probably therefore less likely to be "mechanical" in her approach. Also at a pragmatic level, even if she is thoroughly commercial, she is likely to work harder to please (including if course, providing the right GFE) in order to justify asking for more than you offer at the end - which understandably, they will always do. I can't recall ever having a problem of any kind by adopting the approach of not negotiating up front; at today's prices I offer on average, 300k knowing that most times, they will imply or say it's not enough whereupon I will increase it to 400 - 600 (max).

All of the above is obviously a generalisation but it summarises my findings over quite a long time....

[QUOTE=Alifulani]
I think this is an Indonesian solution to the prostitution conundrum. I am not a prostitute because I don't ask for money. However, I do expect to have some compensation is a nicely Indonesian way of avoiding the self recrimination of prostitution.
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And then there is the other category I refer to as "good girls" that have received some coverage recently, those contacted through various websites (I have used faceparty) and are not "on the game". A bit of time and effort required initially, but I have maintained a few of these relationships for more than 3 years in JKT and made various posts about these.

Interesting thing I have noticed with these relationships is that all these expectations of perhaps getting married etc. that we are occasionally confronted with are just a facade of maintaining respectability, and another nice Indonesian way of avoiding self recrimination of being a "bad girl" for having sex outside of marriage. Have called the bluff on two of my "good girls" and they both backed off, much preferring to have their freedom and their regular no-strings sex with someone they can trust. It is wonderful pragmatism on their part as they have good jobs and all the freedom in the world. In the end they are just interested in the sex, but want to appear "good girls".