Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=Diegoff61;2070111]On a quick pass through on my way back to the the States, I stopped by Rio to get a feel of the current climate. Arriving from Lisbon just before 18 hs local, I went to Copa, Delirio to be exact, just around 20 hs, to have a look - 3 garotas in the line up. Chose one for 30 minutes before going to Monte Carlo. By 22 hs there were 7 guys including me and 19 garotas. The climate was blah as there has not been a DJ for nearly two months I am being told and the girls are simply sitting waiting for someone to approach or to just pass the time. Definitely a different time. I understand all that is going with the local economy but Monte Carlo is hurting, and hurting bad. Just as I imagine with many other establishments. I am on the way to Mabs now just to take a look. I won't be surprised if it is ruin also.[/QUOTE]I would not be surprised if a termas like Monte Carlo is hurting, The Economy is very bad, so most brazilians Do not frequent these termas like they use too, Also there is not alot of mongering tourist like back in the early 2000's to pick up the slack, because the P4 P is somewhat dead, and Traveling to Brazil is expensive.

[QUOTE=Diegoff61;2070111]On a quick pass through on my way back to the the States, I stopped by Rio to get a feel of the current climate. Arriving from Lisbon just before 18 hs local, I went to Copa, Delirio to be exact, just around 20 hs, to have a look - 3 garotas in the line up. Chose one for 30 minutes before going to Monte Carlo. By 22 hs there were 7 guys including me and 19 garotas. The climate was blah as there has not been a DJ for nearly two months I am being told and the girls are simply sitting waiting for someone to approach or to just pass the time. Definitely a different time. I understand all that is going with the local economy but Monte Carlo is hurting, and hurting bad. Just as I imagine with many other establishments. I am on the way to Mabs now just to take a look. I won't be surprised if it is ruin also.[/QUOTE]I will be in Rio at the end of August. How much was in entrance fee to Monte Carlo?

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2070235]The dollar was not 3 to 1 in 2007 and 2008.[/QUOTE]The dollar vs Real was bad area 2011 I think. But I think you failed to understand the point that I was making. Brazillian will update prices while comparing with P4P cost in the global market with the global market. For instance, I just bought Samsung Galaxy 8+ in UK for 800 British Pounds and you can purchase it for US $1100 in the USA. It will cost you 3300 Reals in Brazil. The Brazilian p4 p owners are smart enough to update their prices while comparing with the cost and level of sex service in Germany, France, Ukraine etc. Wake up man. They are not stupid anymore. Welcome to Globalization.

[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2070269]I would not be surprised if a termas like Monte Carlo is hurting, The Economy is very bad, so most brazilians Do not frequent these termas like they use too, Also there is not alot of mongering tourist like back in the early 2000's to pick up the slack, because the P4 P is somewhat dead, and Traveling to Brazil is expensive.[/QUOTE]No dj in Monte Carlo means no vibe starter. Place is finished if they can't even afford a dj.

Total silence and a bunch of plastic girls with too much make up. Sounds as exciting as Copa beach on a rainy day.

RIP MC good times were had.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070612]No dj in Monte Carlo means no vibe starter. Place is finished if they can't even afford a dj.

Total silence and a bunch of plastic girls with too much make up. Sounds as exciting as Copa beach on a rainy day.

RIP MC good times were had.[/QUOTE]It is time they change their price so that they attract more Brazilians instead of trying to attract gringos.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;2070488]I will be in Rio at the end of August. How much was in entrance fee to Monte Carlo?[/QUOTE]I think it was 90 BRL back in June. If you really need to know the exact price give them a call or send an email.

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2069970]It's really quite simple. Foreign exchange rates are part of the price mechanism. Sometimes the FX rate leads where local prices more sensitive to international markets will go up. Sometimes FX rates lag whereby the currency devalues because local prices are increasing unsustainably faster than the relative international markets. One thing for sure is there a correlation between prices and the FX rate for an economy like Brasil that is not big enough or independent enough to be immune from this effect.

It's correct that you'll see this effect manifest first in things like hotels and real estate. Particularly in desirable locations in cities and coast front. If you see a currency massively devalue (let's use the recent Argentina experience for example), your best bet is to get down there immediately before local prices adjust. Believe me, the local prices do adjust sooner than later. Good luck trying to get someone to sell you an attractive property at the local currency price set before the devaluation.[/QUOTE]Real estate in Rio is dropping, not only termas are rising the price, I saw many restaurants raising their price, Brazil is a country with much tax especially when you export, if the real drops the prices will be more expensive for exported products not for local pussies. I think the problem is only in Rio, Rio is the most expensive city in Brazil. Taxes are worse in Brazil nowadays, if the price is more expensive, it is not because of the real, it is because of competition, there are less termas. In the past there were more termas, clubs and brothels that worked well so the prices were better because they compete.

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;2070648]I think it was 90 BRL back in June. If you really need to know the exact price give them a call or send an email.[/QUOTE]If Ivan and the fat controller in Monte Carlo (good cop / bad cop) want to attract people again make it free to get in or charge a small fee towards consumacao.

Charging nearly 100 reais to get in excludes many and is totally unrealistic,especially considering the very lazy recruitment of girls going on.

I could see it closing by 2018 if it carries on in this vein.

Solarium seems to fare slightly better allthough more expensive and out of curiosity, how is Centaurus getting along?.

If we are on the tier 1 analysis,4 x 4 wasnt bad-Cancun lacked talent as usual and T65 shouldn't have bothered reopening.

Playground already shut (tier 1/ tier 2) again and Cafe Romance there isn't enough feedback on so can't be that great.

Back to the gutter again for me.

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070528]The dollar vs Real was bad area 2011 I think. But I think you failed to understand the point that I was making. Brazillian will update prices while comparing with P4P cost in the global market with the global market. For instance, I just bought Samsung Galaxy 8+ in UK for 800 British Pounds and you can purchase it for US $1100 in the USA. It will cost you 3300 Reals in Brazil. The Brazilian p4 p owners are smart enough to update their prices while comparing with the cost and level of sex service in Germany, France, Ukraine etc. Wake up man. They are not stupid anymore. Welcome to Globalization.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2070757]What are you talking about man? Samsung Galaxy? That has nothing to do with comparing costs or currency changes. Sure there can be an amount of price discrimination over different markets, but for the most part that has to do with import taxes.

I still say it is a ridiculous "theory". In 2015 and 2016 when the dollar gained against the euro, did all the FKK owners in Germany start increasing their prices? No fuck shop in country A decides their prices on what is going on in countries B through Z. You guys act like these places are giant corporations. It is a hoarhouse with 30 chicks working there where a guy can go get his rocks off for 40 minutes.

Talk about overthinking. Will someone that has boots on the ground just go ask these guys why they are moving the prices up instead of giving into all the economic theory of hoarhouses stuff.[/QUOTE]The reason Terma owners in Rio keep tweaking prices upwards is because this is the general Carioca response to a crisis.

If they get fewer customers theyll squeeze them to make up the lost profit.

Ask any Brazilian there. Short-termism at its finest. Anything to avoid returning money or discounting.

The ones who are trying to be pro-active are the independents offering more girls for less etc and like the ones i met at Mabs offering me 1.5-2 hours for 150.

Increasing the entry fee towards consumacao is ok but only if you ACTUALLY plan on drinking quite a bit or buying drinks for the garotas etc

Once at MC a girl I picked went to the bathroom for 15 minutes (I shit you not) and I terminated and wanted money back. They fought me tooth and nail offering me free entrance next time despite me spending many many thousands there up till this event.

Only one of the tier 2/3 termas lowered their 1 hour price from 200 to 180 (T3) -everyone else just keeps tweaking it a bit hoping no one will notice! Loool.

Safados.

I don't think termas have a future in Rio beyond the ones who have a following-a good local clientele as well as suplementing with some gringoes (4 x 4 etc) Solarium cause its for rich cariocas who like white girls but can't be bothered going to SP and the lower tier spots with a crowd (MV30 etc) wholl always get some and the rent there isn't alot as its the dark side of Vargas.

Just my 2 centavos.

It seems that in SP its more business as usual in the big termas???? is it because more business men flow through SP-business center of BR etc?

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070833]The reason Terma owners in Rio keep tweaking prices upwards is because this is the general Carioca response to a crisis.

If they get fewer customers theyll squeeze them to make up the lost profit.

Ask any Brazilian there. Short-termism at its finest. Anything to avoid returning money or discounting.[/QUOTE]Yeah I never understand Brazilians, If something does not sell or demand is weak, they will raise the price? Its kinda like Google comes out with a product called Google Glass and they sell it for $1,000 at launch and it does not sell, so how does raising the price? Going to help? But again it's the reason Brazil is a 3rd world country.

I have been doing my RTFF research for my upcoming first trip to RJ. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it appears that most of the termas and prives / massagems are closed on Sundays. I saw a reference on this thread to Solarium being open on Sundays, but their website says that it is not open on Sundays.

As a first-time visitor to RJ who speaks no Portuguese, I plan to focus on termas, prives, and massagems. Given the circumstances, I am hesitant to pursue independent GDPs in person and online, and I wonder if Vila Mimosa would be a good fit for me even if I did have prior RJ experience and spoke Portuguese, given what I have read about it here. A Sunday will also be my second day in town, so I will not have had much time to collect phone numbers from termas or prive GDPs by that very early point in my trip.

So where do you go on Sundays? I did a search and it seems like Vila Mimosa, Mabs, and Barbarella's are popular options for Sundays. Do you have any other suggestions for a first-time visitor with no Portuguese? Are there any termas, prives, or massagens open on Sundays that I may have missed?

[QUOTE=Jubby007;2070528]I just bought Samsung Galaxy 8+ in UK for 800 British Pounds and you can purchase it for US $1100 in the USA. It will cost you 3300 Reals in Brazil. .[/QUOTE]I am confused by your math or where it leads you. USD 1,100 at an FX rate of 3. 15 per BRL means that phone should cost more than BRL 3. 400. So buying it for BRL 3. 300 seems like a bargain?

Looking at [URL]Kabum.com.br[/URL], they seem to be offering it (with boleto discount) for BRL 3. 190.

I just checked Amazon and unlocked international versions seem to be going for between USD 700-800. (Note they may not be exactly the same versions as the BR one on Kabum or your UK ones, but I don't know).

That difference (750 USD = 2362 BRL vs Kabum price) seems to make more sense to me. As others have noted, most of the difference in BR electronics pricing is due to painfully high government-imposed tarrifs designed "to keep BR industry competitive" (but that actually do nothing but increase cost to consumers and hurt, long term, the Brazilian population). You see it everywhere on TVs, washer / dryers, phones, PCs, etc. It has been consistent since I moved here 6+ years ago. The only time you can slightly get ahead of it is when the FX changes quickly (BRL strengthens suddenly) and you can buy before prices adjust (because for imported electronics, they do tend to follow USD pricing).

Anyway, let's get this thread back to actionable info about finding girls for paid sex in Rio. Deal?

I went to MC earlier this week with some visitors in town. Probably about 25 girls and 7-8 guys. Quality is not great but was better than a few months ago, a few slimmer girls. Total cost for 40 minutes with 1 chopp, 1 bottle beer (she bought a heineken, I wanted to shoot her), bottle of water was BRL 504. That's around USD 160 which is kind of high*. I didn't get my free entrada this time so I think that was all-in. Apparently they are remodeling some of the rooms to have showers, I was told.

Granted this was an early day in the week but it wasn't poppin. As others have noted, airfares are high still and reports of violence are keeping a lot of tourists away from Rio. At the same time there are girls on photoacompanhantes who might accept BRL 250-300 from local BR customers refusing to come visit Copacabana for BRL 400. Put in context that my personal trainer makes BRL 100 per hour. A chick won't spend 2 hrs on public transport from Nova Iguazu to Copa to hang out on the deck, drink, and fuck for 2+ hours to get BRL 400. Lazy?

Hope to hit the Dark Side later this week.

(*The recent strength of the BRL vs USD has puzzled me, as it strengthened quickly from ~3.30 about a month or so ago to as low as ~3.12 recently. The BCB keeps saying that the crisis is showing signs of being over, but I don't see it in the day to day. I guess the markets feel BR is getting its house in order with Lula's conviction? Meanwhile the dollar is still super strong against the Euro from what I can see (~1.16) making the BRL's strength even more annoying).
-Cartman.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070713]If Ivan and the fat controller in Monte Carlo (good cop / bad cop) want to attract people again make it free to get in or charge a small fee towards consumacao.

Charging nearly 100 reais to get in excludes many and is totally unrealistic,especially considering the very lazy recruitment of girls going on.

I could see it closing by 2018 if it carries on in this vein.

Solarium seems to fare slightly better allthough more expensive and out of curiosity, how is Centaurus getting along?.

If we are on the tier 1 analysis,4 x 4 wasnt bad-Cancun lacked talent as usual and T65 shouldn't have bothered reopening.

Playground already shut (tier 1/ tier 2) again and Cafe Romance there isn't enough feedback on so can't be that great.

Back to the gutter again for me.[/QUOTE]T65 and Cancun are waste of time, there are always less girls, I haven't been to Cancun for few week I went there Monday with Beenbob, 4 by 4 is my best terma, more talents, more different girls, very easy to get my dick hard, the girls seem to be more motivated unlike Cancun, the girls are more free they can do what they want ex grab your dick, There are more girls, You can change from terma to whiskeria without having to pay entrance, in cancun the girls are not allowed to grab your dick, every time I go to Cancun, I never fuck, I went many times I only fuck three girls, the girls are unmotivated and tired, the waiters are lazy, Cancun is more for old guys looking for conversation, the girls seem to have no patience, it is as if they prefer the old guys over the young guys so that they can have a lazy fuck. I am not in the terma for conversation or girlfriend experience, I am in the terma because I want the girls to turn me on, I find the girls in 4 by 4 more patient and motivate, I feel more comfortable in 4 by 4.

The only thing that's good in Cancun, the simple rooms are a bit bigger than the simple rooms in 4 by 4 but not the rooms next to smoking area restaurant. The simple rooms that are next to the smoking area are bigger than the simple rooms in Cancun.

I have never been interested in terma in zona sul. The rooms are very small.

T65 I don't need to talk, just try once and never came back again.

Mv30 always dick fest and only ugly girls and fat belly girls. The bar smells [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] because of the toilet, impossible to go to toilet everybody smokes there.

502 is good, but it depends on the day, sometimes it is empty sometimes it is full.

In Solarium, better they don't charge entrance for people that session with a girl.

[QUOTE=FuckAfMedDig;2070833]The reason Terma owners in Rio keep tweaking prices upwards is because this is the general Carioca response to a crisis.

If they get fewer customers theyll squeeze them to make up the lost profit.

Ask any Brazilian there. Short-termism at its finest. Anything to avoid returning money or discounting.

The ones who are trying to be pro-active are the independents offering more girls for less etc and like the ones i met at Mabs offering me 1.5-2 hours for 150.

Increasing the entry fee towards consumacao is ok but only if you ACTUALLY plan on drinking quite a bit or buying drinks for the garotas etc

Once at MC a girl I picked went to the bathroom for 15 minutes (I shit you not) and I terminated and wanted money back. They fought me tooth and nail offering me free entrance next time despite me spending many many thousands there up till this event.

Only one of the tier 2/3 termas lowered their 1 hour price from 200 to 180 (T3) -everyone else just keeps tweaking it a bit hoping no one will notice! Loool.

Safados.

I don't think termas have a future in Rio beyond the ones who have a following-a good local clientele as well as suplementing with some gringoes (4 x 4 etc) Solarium cause its for rich cariocas who like white girls but can't be bothered going to SP and the lower tier spots with a crowd (MV30 etc) wholl always get some and the rent there isn't alot as its the dark side of Vargas.

Just my 2 centavos.

It seems that in SP its more business as usual in the big termas???? is it because more business men flow through SP-business center of BR etc?[/QUOTE]Most of the owners of brothels are not business savvy, their focus is plain and simple to increase profits and are no doubt confused when they do not. Their mindset is as f..ked up as the p..sies they peddle.