FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Optimist;2139249]Bitumen. You list Mersi, Serena and Betty as upselling. Well done. It is good to identify the greedy ruthless Precious Princesses who are giving the club a bad reputation (even if this hasn't yet reached the US forums).

I hope that, unlike me, you won't get WhatsApp messages from these girls complaining about you reporting on their behaviour.

I say greedy since to give just one example, a 500 euro session by me, was described as " not much money" and an extra payment was demanded, and in fact taken from my wallet.[/QUOTE]Was this story about Betty? She asked me for a tip once so I gave her 10 romanian lei, LOL.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2139250]Was this story about Betty? She asked me for a tip once so I gave her 10 romanian lei, LOL.[/QUOTE]Your story made me laugh out loud. I can imagine the reaction you got!

[QUOTE=DesRev;2138942]Upsellers may succeed in having a lower work /$ ratio and even making more money over a few weeks but they do not make more over a year compared to a non-upseller, everything else equal. Upselling behavior discourages men from returning to Sharks, which means money that will not enter the pool but otherwise would have. It also makes the men who do go to Sharks, more hesitant to try a random punt.
[/QUOTE]This is a common sentiment. An environment of upselling definitely makes ME hesitant for a random punt at Sharks, but I consider myself a hardcore punter. Lots of mongers are just recreational. I've met guys who have told me they live in Frankfurt, but have visited FKK less than 5 times in their life. For these types of guys, they can go into the room, 5 minutes CBJ, 7 minutes fucking, and pop, and handover a 50 EUR with a smile. Veteran fly-in sex tourists on their sixth consecutive day of clubbing, pumped up on Viagra, looking for GFE, emotional connection and chemistry are a totally different beast. No way such a monger will pop in less than 30 minutes. He is going to be more difficult to please physically, emotionally, and mentally. He may be only worth the effort if she thinks he has the capacity to spend big.

I've never worked as a WG before. It would be presumptuous of me to think I know how to maximize profits better than they do. Sales is about understanding the customers, reading customers, and the WGs have infinitely more experience than I do in this department. My observations from the small percentage of customers I actually speak to (1) Not many men repeat either because they like variety or they just don't have time and money to attend frequently. (2) At big fuck factories, not many customers talk to each other (3) Even if monger #1 tells his friend monger #2 a specific WG is below average, monger #2 will still take the chance if she is hot enough and he subscribes to the adage of YMMV. [b]These types of customer behavior reinforces to the WGs the idea, "Bad reviews don't matter. I can still make money. And majority of men will session me just once even if I perform well".[/b]

There is a good chance you are 100% correct about the WGs leaving some money on the table. But it is none of our business. I've met many mongers (usually older) who have told me, "I used to make $200 K and work 60 hours a week, now I just work 30 hours and make $120 K. I am happier now. " Law of diminishing returns. Extra money may not be worth additional investment in energy. Sanity and mental well-being take precedence. Also met many a monger who openly admit they are not maximizing their earning potential and do the bare-minimum with career advancement. They prefer to spend all their time masturbating to porn and planning their next FKK trip!

Through their own experience and observing other WGs, some of these upsellers may be convinced they have the winning money-earning formula:"The best salespeople know that sales is a numbers game and a time game. The goal is to sort through prospects as quickly as possible to find a few great prospects. Instead of trying to persuade every prospect to do business with them, top salespeople get weak prospects to weed themselves out quickly, so they can spend the time on the best prospects. " That means try to figure out if the monger is a big spender within first 10 minutes, if not process him, so you can make sure you are available, if a whale walks in.

Two years ago, I saw the writing on the wall for Sharks decline. It still may be another two years before another club knocks Sharks off the throne. Lots of WGs don't worry about polluting the environment, because they don't plan to be in the environment that much longer. I am not defending upsellers. I hate dealing with them too. But I can't blame them.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2139249]I hope that, unlike me, you won't get WhatsApp messages from these girls complaining about you reporting on their behavior.[/QUOTE]BTW, how did these girls get your phone no. ?

[QUOTE=Optimist;2139249]I say greedy since to give just one example, a 500 euro session by me was described as " not much money" and an extra payment was demanded, and in fact taken from my wallet.[/QUOTE]What was your role in that sort of robbery?

I love so much to hear one of your "I am a victim" stories again! And it is true, we have to pay a lot of money to be able to tell those heart-shaking tales.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2139342]"Bad reviews don't matter. I can still make money. And majority of men will session me just once even if I perform well".[/QUOTE]They don't as the percentage of visitor reading the forums is far lower than most of us think.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2139342]Two years ago, I saw the writing on the wall for Sharks decline. It still may be another two years before another club knocks Sharks off the throne. Lots of WGs don't worry about polluting the environment, because they don't plan to be in the environment that much longer. I am not defending upsellers. I hate dealing with them too. But I can't blame them.[/QUOTE]Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.

[QUOTE=Action22;2139109]I trust the management at GT and Sharks, because they set the gold standard for customer satisfaction. They've been doing this a long time. It's been a long time since I visited World, but I trusted them too.[/QUOTE]Staff care about clients satisfaction at GT or LR, but not at all at Sharks nor Oase.

Anyway, anywhere, I don t need staff about girls, I work on my own to make girls will to please me. I even succeeded at Oase with pretty Vera. Ro who wanted high rate to be my GF, but later she asked me if I wanted to go, she got 100 for 1 hour and was a really good surprise for her behavior, and smiles after room. To repeat.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2139250]Was this story about Betty? She asked me for a tip once so I gave her 10 romanian lei, LOL.[/QUOTE]Drats! If you had written this earlier, I could have learnt from you and not have over-tipped her. After spending 500 euros on her over 2 days in spring last year, she asked for a 10 euro tip. I did give her that amount, which is about 5 times what you gave. But decided not to take her again, as it portends that she is likely to ask for more and more the next time.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2139203]Yes, you can at Sharks, with a woman type blond Hungarian always smiling, not Dina nor Nicoletta nor Mersi. Hu, only working on week end. I had 2 rooms with her on end of 2017 . She is really nice for behavior, always smiling, kissing, sucking, but really not used to long foreplay, so even not my standard, 30 full minutes are enough with her. No upselling, only smiles and thank you for 50.

As I'm used to 1 hour rooms, no upselling for me at Sharks, girls take 100 and repeat.[/QUOTE]It almost sounds like there are 2 different Merci's. One Romanian and one Hungarian.

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2139372]Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.[/QUOTE]I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.

No offense to anyone!

The easiest solution would be to say "no, I already gave you enough money", don't you think?

Spoiling the girls is not a good idea.

[QUOTE=UncleOx;2139448]I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?[/QUOTE]Tourists as a synonym for an client willing to pay overpay and to ruin service levels. Either because he doesn't know better or because he doesn't care as he is rarely visiting and doesn't care. Usually those clients are foreigners. Asians or Americans overwhelmed by what they can get in an FKK opposed to their home country. Rarely they are Germans, but the do also exist. The big spenders who fall in love e. G.

It is quite obvious that smaller clubs off the beaten path with a high percentage of locals do have higher service leveks than the big fuck factories near or in the big cities, close to the fairgrounds and airports.

Palace, Artemis, Paradise, Oceans. Versus Bahama, Rom, Feigenblatt. Just to name a few.

Sharks wasn't discovered by too many foreigners a few years ago. Service level was high. Then more and more tourists flocked to the club, even during Messe they take a cab to Sharks and not to Oase or Palace. Service levels dropped.

[QUOTE=UncleOx;2139448]I am surprised that tourists are blamed for a club's service levels dropped or greedy nature of WG girls.

Who else is not tourists if he visit a FKK clubs outside his home city?

If someone is a Darmstadt local, did he ever visit clubs in NRW or Berlin? Was he not a tourist when he visited there?

Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.

No offense to anyone![/QUOTE]Let us be reasonable if I follow you when you change street you are also a tourist, no a tourist is a guy who can't speak German mostly, who is not visiting club many times a year, obviously they are also not aware about the services that should be included in a 50 euros session.

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2139372]They don't as the percentage of visitor reading the forums is far lower than most of us think.
[/QUOTE]"Bad reviews" doesn't mean just internet forums. This includes men speaking to each other inside the club. Back at Oase in 2013, I met four hardcore sex tourists traveling a group. They explained that the previous day they were at Palace. All four of them went with Stella. Their entire table fucked her. All four of them said it was a horrible session. I could understand the first guy stepping on the grenade, maybe even the second. But the fourth guy? This means the fourth guy went with her even after all three of his wingmen gave her negative reviews!! Just this past weekend I was reminded this is not a strange phenomenon. A monger sent me a text message telling me of a similar story that occurred with his group at Sharks. This time I believe friend #1 went with the Sharks brand name WG back in September. Friend #2 and #3 went with her this weekend. All three of these friends knew about her negative internet forum reviews as well. Message to the WG is loud and clear: I can perform poorly and still get customers.

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2139372]
Sharks' service levels dropped when the tourists discovered the club. That will happen to any other club as well.[/QUOTE]Their discovery is partially fueled by internet forum traffic. I agree that 95% of visitors do not read the reports religiously, but many know about the forum and will visit occasionally. A French or Italian guy doing a weekend Frankfurt trip might visit ISG the night before his visit and spend 5 minutes clicking around. That is long enough to see that Sharks has 17.000 reports and read the most recent 2-3 page of reviews. Five minutes of effort is enough to come to the conclusion that Sharks is trending upward and probably the club they should check out. Although such minimal effort is not enough to remember details like: Angelina crushes testicles or Betty goes into mens wallets.

I'd say maybe 1-3% of Sharks visitors are hardcore fly-in sex tourists (rough estimate since I don't speak to every man that enters the club). These men spend 30-60 days a year in FKK. Their annual airfare, hotel, rental car, and fuel costs alone probably exceed $10 K. You think these guys making these huge investments aren't doing their research? This small but influential group probably makes up between 20-80% of the income for each WG in the pole dancer group.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2139203]Yes, you can at Sharks, with a woman type blond Hungarian always smiling, not Dina nor Nicoletta nor Mersi. Hu, only working on week end. I had 2 rooms with her on end of 2017 . She is really nice for behavior, always smiling, kissing, sucking, but really not used to long foreplay, so even not my standard, 30 full minutes are enough with her. No upselling, only smiles and thank you for 50.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pistons;2139445]It almost sounds like there are 2 different Merci's. One Romanian and one Hungarian.[/QUOTE]I guess Sirioja was writing about fake-blonde Lora.

[QUOTE=UncleOx;2139448]
Without tourists, especially those came from America or some rich Asian countries, most FKK clubs would bankrupt. Local German mongers should appreciate international mongers' financial help to maintain the FKK businesses in Germany and in affordable way. BTW, local Germans are also tourists if they visit clubs outside their home cities.[/QUOTE]If you observe local Germans and sex tourists from America / Asia, there is a big difference in behavior and mindset. To be successfully in the negotiation process, one must not seem overeager, one must not be too emotionally invested in the outcome, and one must not feel pressured by time. Some local Germans attend so much, they are spoiled to the point they are disinterested. They feel no pressure to chase after a busy WG today, because they can always come back tomorrow or next week. Some locals have been fucking brand name WGs for decades and even seem bored by them. They are willing to try wider range of WGs. I once met a local at LR who told me he fucked the entire LU. This type of behavior sends a message to the most attractive, spoiled, princess WGs: "I have no leverage. My beauty holds no power over him. ".

Americans and Asians can't get cheap white European pussy back home, so everything is a bargain to them. They have this attitude, like what's a 50 EUR tip when I just spent over a 1000 EUR on airfare. Local Darmstadt guy going to a Berlin FKK doesn't suffer from same issues.