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[QUOTE=Rovnak;2092280]It was ok, but not something I miss today. Actually, for me 4 x4 at that time was a bigger blast than Help.[/QUOTE]My sentiments regarding Help exactly. It was an integral part of the scene no doubt, but not close to being my favorite place for some action. Now 4 X 4 was another story. Tricks and tutes packed in standing shoulder to shoulder! Glad there was never a fire up in there!
I have been reading so many negative posts about Rio lately that I was wondering whether the general consensus would be that Thailand is now the number 1 mongering spot. Having hobbied in both destinations I have had much better experiences in Brazil especially in the years leading up to 2007. I think that Thailand has been so highly regarded by mongers because of the sheer numbers, I think there's a greater volume of hookers in Thailand than any other country. However, personally I have had better experiences in other Asian countries. My best Asian experience was in Singapore in 2008. Also Chang Ping in China was better for me than Thailand up to the crackdown in 2014. Also I prefer Jakarta to Bangkok. Back to Brazil, no women on this planet can compete with garotas in the sack and I repeat that the women in Rio rocked my world more than those in Sao Paulo. It has been stated that many of the providers in Rio are not actually from Rio; whatever the facts may be I have had a greater percentage of mind blowing sessions in Rio than in SP. Some posters seem to suggest that that has changed. I need to return to check for myself. My last visit to Brazil was last year SP.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2092400]I have been reading so many negative posts about Rio lately that I was wondering whether the general consensus would be that Thailand is now the number 1 mongering spot. Having hobbied in both destinations I have had much better experiences in Brazil especially in the years leading up to 2007. I think that Thailand has been so highly regarded by mongers because of the sheer numbers, I think there's a greater volume of hookers in Thailand than any other country. However, personally I have had better experiences in other Asian countries. My best Asian experience was in Singapore in 2008. Also Chang Ping in China was better for me than Thailand up to the crackdown in 2014. Also I prefer Jakarta to Bangkok. Back to Brazil, no women on this planet can compete with garotas in the sack and I repeat that the women in Rio rocked my world more than those in Sao Paulo. It has been stated that many of the providers in Rio are not actually from Rio; whatever the facts may be I have had a greater percentage of mind blowing sessions in Rio than in SP. Some posters seem to suggest that that has changed. I need to return to check for myself. My last visit to Brazil was last year SP.[/QUOTE]Yeah I have been all over the world and there is nothing like having sex with Brazilian women, No other women even comes close to Brazilian women when it comes to sex They go above and beyond. But I think it has to do with there culture. Sex in other countries follow western values which looks down on sex and sex is somewhat taboo. While in Brazil is apart of there culture, and also Brazil men fuck there women hard, so Brazilian women are trained from the get go to put it down in the bedroom.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2092400]I have been reading so many negative posts about Rio lately that I was wondering whether the general consensus would be that Thailand is now the number 1 mongering spot. Having hobbied in both destinations I have had much better experiences in Brazil especially in the years leading up to 2007. I think that Thailand has been so highly regarded by mongers because of the sheer numbers, I think there's a greater volume of hookers in Thailand than any other country. However, personally I have had better experiences in other Asian countries. My best Asian experience was in Singapore in 2008. Also Chang Ping in China was better for me than Thailand up to the crackdown in 2014. Also I prefer Jakarta to Bangkok. Back to Brazil, no women on this planet can compete with garotas in the sack and I repeat that the women in Rio rocked my world more than those in Sao Paulo. It has been stated that many of the providers in Rio are not actually from Rio; whatever the facts may be I have had a greater percentage of mind blowing sessions in Rio than in SP. Some posters seem to suggest that that has changed. I need to return to check for myself. My last visit to Brazil was last year SP.[/QUOTE]I think the following: As Sperto and Vagabundo1 etc have touched on and myself-Rio is amazing and no women compare to Brazilians and I've had asians galore.
Rio now IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT! and NOT FOR THE LAZY!
Rio can be amazing if you: build up your contacts of good chicks, keep coming back to them, treat them good but not too good, learn portugues and dive in and search harder. I still have great fucks because I search and find good gems and build a vibe with them and same goes for non-pros. Non-pros there can be just as freaky as GDPS. Many have been.
SP seems more on a plate but then again with a bit of getting your nails dirty, RIo still can conjure the magic. I don't mind the hunt-I think its fun and it doesn't have to be time-consuming-I mean within an hour I can hit 8/9 spots in centro on the dark side and another 2 hours could cover south of Vargas-termas that is.
So lets say i went out tuesday,wednesday,thursday on a centro run -dark side and light side-night time only.I could find one gem a day-so say 2 in 3 days...then could go VM afterwards and find minimum 1 per night so lets say 3 good ones in total in 3 days.You still got monday,fridays,saturday to search.
There are also many termas in suburbs that arent well-known-take a bit longer to reach-like the Black & White in Bonsucceso where you find bombs for 150 an hour-so they would def meet outside for 150..they dont even make that -they take maybe 80-100 an hour.
Forum X have em listed.
Casas and clinicas can be narrowed to couple buildings but of course when I first came to Rio, I thought Monte Carlo was amazing and always found gems to take out and date. 4 x 4 proivded me with one of the fucks of my life from fernanda-barbie looking negra wd let you mouth fuck her past the hour on all 4's looking up at me. CIM or shed be upset. Insane.
Things change but we have to change with them. There are so many newbies in Rio all the time because they need money so go where they start.
If you like me like the exotic look and shape,Baixada da Fluminense,Nova Iguacu,Santa Cruz,Nilopolis and Zona Norte has an endless supply of negras,mulatttas etc...even out towards Jacarepagua-after..all the favelas..and they need $.
They travel and ususally start in trash houses or clinicas.....
Remember the entire centro is one big knock shop..its actually mad to think I walk around and there are whole buildings I never knew existed with cheap trash spots,boates or clinicas..
Way more than I could ever try.
Rio is not for the lazy anymore.
Nossa Senhora still has stunners as does Siqueria as so many come to work regular jobs (or are going to get fcuked!lol)
I suppose Rio now is better for the integrated mongerer as opposed to the greenish gringo with little portugues but fun can always be had.They want your money.
Talk about nostalgic, I remember when the Rio de Janeiro Reports thread had actual firsthand reports and written by guys with more than a first grader's command of the English language. See Dick fuck. Isn't Dick a good fucker gets old after a few hundred times. Hell, it got old after the first time.
[QUOTE=Chris561;2092283]Club Help indeed is missed greatly. The good and the bad made Help Legendary. A decade later and folks still talk about it. Even Meia Pataca! LOL.
C5.[/QUOTE]You say even Meia Pataca but I remember that also Balcony had some girls at this time. It was great fun to hop on the mini vans that were running all along Avenida Atlantica and to head over to Balcony too, to see more girls than those that were in the obvious Help and Meia Pataca.
[QUOTE=Rovnak;2092280]Finally someone remembers that opinions re Help were mixed at that time. When I first visited Brazil in 2006 the posts on this board were all over the place regarding Help, some loved it, some hated it etc. Lately I haven't read anything but glowing reviews until this post. I also saw Help as just "a part" of the Rio scene. I think I went to Help 1 time in a week during my first visit. It was ok, but not something I miss today. Actually, for me 4 x4 at that time was a bigger blast than Help. 4 x4 was so crowded with T&A and robed mongers, that I did not even know how small the main room was until years later when it was sufficiently empty to see across the room. Prior to that I had only seen a see of bodies that I had to wade through without any reference point, and I imagined the room was huge.
A lot of whining about the good old days on this forum, mongering is what you make of it. Today is tomorrows' good old days. Unless of course you are a "Thailand is better hands down" type. The scene evolves, as it has for millenia and will continue to evolve. Some of the brick and mortar places and the big agencies are gone, but indie providers on twitter, tinder and other media are thriving and contacting them via whatsapp has never been easier. Its actually easier to meet semi-pros and newcomers than before. Maybe, the changing scene does not bother me as much because I was always super picky about who I went with, I always put in the leg work or internet research to find the best options for me. I never relied on any one place or scene.[/QUOTE]I loved Help but I only made it inside probably two times per trip. What I enjoyed even more was Terraco Atlntico (the huge open-air patio in front of Help). Nothing like sitting in front of the Ocean eating, drinking and flirting with 200 hookers eyeing you.
If something close to Terraco Atlntico were to open in Copacabana, I'd schedule a trip immediately.
[QUOTE=Chris561;2092283]Club Help indeed is missed greatly. The good and the bad made Help Legendary. A decade later and folks still talk about it. Even Meia Pataca! LOL.
C5.[/QUOTE]That's the point. Close to a decade after it closed its doors for the last time people are still talking about it. Quite apart from men missing Help I know many GDP who look back with nostalgia to the Help era. Copacabana seriously needs a large disco (small ones already exist like La Dolce Vita and Kalabria). Help was well run, security was good, and drinks were cheap. It was a great environment for the GDP to work in. The other great advantage of Help was that you could move around, as opposed to Balcony and now Mabs which are static in the sense that you get stuck at a table. In Help it was a fluid scene so that if someone irritated you it was easy to move on. It was perfect for those of us that like to keep moving and avoid getting trapped at a table. Personally I like places where you can move around with ease. Incidentally, Vilamimosa also has that fluid movement (although very different to Help).
I think that Rio remains the best place on earth to monger. If there is a positive aspect to Help's closure it is that many mongers are now more adventurous and realise that there are plenty of options outside of Copacabana.
Perhaps something not exactly like Help will pop up as time and politicians change. I think anything that does pop up needs to be less conspicuous and away from the beach. Many Brasilians I know were quite embarrassed by the spectacle Help Disco had become. Rio is an international tourist destination and Help was smack dab in the middle of Copacabana. I don't know about all the "deplorables" that Sperto mentions that started frequenting Help at the end. I do know many an indiscreet mongerer would be negotiating loudly with a programa girl at a Copacabana caf in the afternoon while a family sat five feet away at the next table. One time, I heard an Austrian father and son talking loudly about performing an afternoon threesome with a sexy, young negra. Even this young negra was a bit overwhelmed by the conspicuous discussion regarding her access points.
I'm sure many a young Carioca girl had been propositioned by foreigners on the beach and elsewhere in Zona Sul during Help's peak years. I'm not talking about flirting or seduction of any sort. I'm talking about blatant offers of money for sex. Many asshole foreigners in Rio approached every young, local woman they ran into like a programa girl.
If I was a Carioca, frankly I would have wanted Help Disco closed.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2092787]Perhaps something not exactly like Help will pop up as time and politicians change. I think anything that does pop up needs to be less conspicuous and away from the beach. Many Brasilians I know were quite embarrassed by the spectacle Help Disco had become. Rio is an international tourist destination and Help was smack dab in the middle of Copacabana. I don't know about all the "deplorables" that Sperto mentions that started frequenting Help at the end. I do know many an indiscreet mongerer would be negotiating loudly with a programa girl at a Copacabana caf in the afternoon while a family sat five feet away at the next table. One time, I heard an Austrian father and son talking loudly about performing an afternoon threesome with a sexy, young negra. Even this young negra was a bit overwhelmed by the conspicuous discussion regarding her access points.
I'm sure many a young Carioca girl had been propositioned by foreigners on the beach and elsewhere in Zona Sul during Help's peak years. I'm not talking about flirting or seduction of any sort. I'm talking about blatant offers of money for sex. Many asshole foreigners in Rio approached every young, local woman they ran into like a programa girl.
If I was a Carioca, frankly I would have wanted Help Disco closed.[/QUOTE]HELP or anyother big place like it will not come back to zona sul. Ever. Look at the Museum of images that for 7 years has been "under construction" in its place. Name me anywhere in the world where a building could be allowed to be on its way for 7 years in one of the best real estate addresses? LOL. Payola, kick-backs and purposeful overbudgeting (padding the budget) so the politicians can get money back under the table.
As long as they can keep this going they will.
Remember that Cabral was the reason Termas stayed open as it was an open secret the governors/mayors office got paid from them to stay open. And to service them.
He then became the gov of Sao Paolo state hence the strong p4p scene there!!!
You now have an evangelical (TV Evangelist) mayor and an anti-sex destination attitude in Rio and sweeping the country in line with the rise of the protestant ultra conservative evangelist church-fastest rising part of the population overtaking catholics soon.This does not spell good news for us mongerers.
I have seen this coming for a minute so that coupled with the sheer logistical problems I had not speaking portugues in Rio definetely motivated me to learn it and reap benefits of the 4 year effort so far to take advantage and explore and exploit the non/semi pro aspect of Brazil and the sheer hornyness or the average menina which id say is a truism in regards to Brazil-no smoke without fire.
Gents do yourself a favor and get started learning.It is the one place where English is absolutely not spoken generally.
In centro faceless whole buildings filled with privees / casas for sure will continue to exist (and in inconspicuous grey high rises on Nossa Senhora where the rent is accomodated to assist casas staying open at times-as they serve the need of the very same people who outwardly condemn Rio as a sex destination:
Cariocas in power.
The average horny Centro worker and the rest of us degenerates looking for a bargain fuck hoping for a diamond-in the rough girl right behind them in the queue for the presentacao.
Same reason termas will continue untill they become financially unviable and close.
VM will continue untill they finally decide to build the fast train to Sao Paolo with a stop where VM is.
It will go freelance / whatsapp / net even more now.
The crisis is seeing the rise of the semi-pro.
The girl who will take couple hundred reais to get smashed but under the radar.
Portugese will help accomodate this or a carioca who speaks english-male or female.
The local chicks who cant go abroad and turn putas will go to casas even more and work online.
[QUOTE=ForceSteeler;2090872]Brazil is still alive and well, But if you just want the old Brazil which was the point and click, your options are very limited now, The reason why the P4P scene is on the decline is that there are not a lot of foreigners that are visiting Brazil for mongering like they use too, Its not like the 90's or the early 2000's, So since they are hardly any tourist that come specifically for mongering. The Girls that use to come from all over Brazil to club help, don't bother coming to Copacabana. There is no real money. So its not worth the plane or bus ticket to go to Copacabana. Brazil is in a financial crisis best believe if you had a lot of guys coming to Brazil like they use to come in the late 90's, You will see a lot of girls coming to Copacabana.
Even in the termas the quality is also on the decline because again there are hardly any tourist that come to Brazil and also a lot of local Brazilians due to the crisis are not spending money in the termas like they use too. Termas use to have tourist to pick up the slack, but its all drying up. But again you just have to adapt. You have to get out of the sandbox, Try learning Portuguese, Learning the Language. Will open up so many doors. Also what I like to do, If your lazy like me. I have a Brazilian chick that I am friends with. She knows a lot of girls and she hooks me up with smoking hot Brazilian chicks that would never set foot in balcony or a termas for fear there families will find out and the sex is some of the best I ever had, better than any of the working girls you will be with in the termas or balcony. I give her a nice tip and she is grateful, Its easy money and we both win.[/QUOTE]Problem with termas is that girls there are now for local guys, and local guys like big bundas. There are no girls for a foreigners like me who like slim girls, or even medium size asses. That was what I find in my last visit to Rio, that was couple of years ago, but I believe it is still same.
And besides termas, there is not so much mongering to do nowadays. No ***** Beach in Copacabana or Ipanema. After closing of Help everything went down.
Rio is most beautiful town in the world, and Brasil is great place, everybody should visit Rio at least once in their life. But sex tourists like me, we don't come anymore. Why do a expensive trip, when you don't find girls anymore like before, Balcony is not enough.
[QUOTE=Combo;2092445]I loved Help but I only made it inside probably two times per trip. What I enjoyed even more was Terraco Atlntico (the huge open-air patio in front of Help). Nothing like sitting in front of the Ocean eating, drinking and flirting with 200 hookers eyeing you.
If something close to Terraco Atlntico were to open in Copacabana, I'd schedule a trip immediately.[/QUOTE]I remember when Help was still open, there were many guys in the forum that said that they would never go to Help, that is rotten place. And then their reports for night ended often that they went to this Terraco Atlantico. So closing Help affected them also quite a lot.
That terrace was also my favourite place, I might have taken more girls from there than from Help. And I loved the Help and went inside all the time.
[QUOTE=Leblon;2093452]Rio is most beautiful town in the world, and Brasil is great place, everybody should visit Rio at least once in their life. But sex tourists like me, we don't come anymore. Why do a expensive trip, when you don't find girls anymore like before, Balcony is not enough.[/QUOTE]Brazil is still a goldmine. Remember the population of Brazil is over 200 Million People, Almost half are women, Mongers are still dreaming about club help and since help has closed they act like its the end of the world. At the end of the day, you can still have fun if your willing to put the work in and also adapt and for you mongers wishing they will be another big club like help in Copacabana, You can forget it they will never open a club like that again, Everything is trending underground and moving to online and social media. My last Brazil trip I never even set foot in Mabs, or even the termas like that, I was using my Brazil female friend and social media. There are a lot of hungry girls out here, Most are Semi Pros and Non-Pro College students, Its way cheaper and the vagina is way tighter, If your willing to stop being lazy, Its better to hunt then deal with the typical jaded working girl you find in Mabs or your typical termas.
Its the same in the United States, 10-20 Years ago if you go to any major city they had a lot of streetwalkers, right now you will hardly find any, Everything is online and social media, Women will never stop selling vagina.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2091991]I remember when one asked the question- Which is the number one monger destination in the world? The answer would be either Brazil or Thailand. I guess the answer is now Thailand hands down.[/QUOTE]The reason I hate Thailand is due to lady boys. A friend of mine from London just arrived back and he had a hard time picking up chicks at the bar because he was not sure if he will do anal with a boy or a girl that night.
[QUOTE=Sperto;2092119]Help is long gone. I've went to Help the first time in 1991. Actually my first brazilian girl in Brazil was a Help girl. A girl who swore that she wasn't a puta. It turned out she was a Monte Carlo girl. The years passed on. The first girl that I ever payed for was a Help girl in 1996. The years passed on. I f*cked many Help-girls during those years. Help was fun when going with a bunch of friends, but it was never a first monger choice to me. The last years before Help closed it was actualy really sh*tty. The same gringos with their overpriced botttle of sh*tty Red label standing on their tables and the same old Zona Norte putas.
Help attracted a lot of scumbags. The worst kind of putas, robbers, muggers, drugdealers, greedy gringos and corrupt police. When Help closed in 2010 I thought I would never missed that place, but I actually I do. I do miss Help, Terraco Atlantico and ho-beach. I don't miss it in the mongering scene but as an element in the Rio mongering scene. The mongering in Rio now is worse than it used to be, no doubt. BUT it still good, it just take some more work to find the gems.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing your first experience with Help. I highly appreciate your fine share of guidance after post Help. I'm still in my early 30's and for some reasons I feel old as I get to start exploring Rio back in 2006. Nevertheless, I think it is better we appreciate what Rio still has left to offer. I would still give Rio an A grade in mongering destination while comparing to other destinations in the world. All I am saying is that it is not as fun as once it used to be. If I factor in the plane ticket and the cost of apartment per day, it cost me US $250/ DAY just to be in Brazil one day without any other cost. Factor in the cost of US $200 Terms will make it US250 + 200 = US $450/ DAY. Don't you think I can bang 3 girls in anywhere on the planet each day for US $450/ DAY so why travel Brazil. Termas are US $200/ program now. It suits a person who is there for a 1 month vacation because his average cost will be low. I hope you understood my point as I rather go to Russia or Ukraine and bang chicks for price less than that.