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[QUOTE=Turgid;2335593] However, on numerous occasions girls have initially refused DATY and through wiles and ruses got my tongue in and the girl began to enjoy it and the party was on.[/QUOTE]Well it can go either way. Initially the girl maybe just tolerating DATY, but if she gets turned on, some will give in to it and go with it, and others don't want to be turned on by it, so will terminate.

I find a low percentage refuse it altogether from the start. They are going to be 90% disaster girls, at least, unless they have a good reason such as period is not really over. Then have the problem to get the sponge out.

In my experience girls, allow DATY more than they allow DFK. After a good DATY, the girl may forget she is against DFK, and others are disgusted by the idea to kiss a mouth that has been on her pussy. Those are the unfortunate super conservative girls. So really there are all types. If can get kissing with a bargirl at all beforehand or at least sweet lovey dovey, that makes her so much more promising (if not looking for a porn star).

So my two main criteria: a girl who is experienced with Farangs and prefers them (this is to reduce chances of stiff legs dick scared), and secondly clearly open to a bit of tonguing.

I agree that plenty of girls never expected to get so worked up in DATY, and even orgasm. My regulars all demand a good DATY. They never pass it up unless on their period and embarrassed about smell. Girls like a good DATY, just like we like a really good BBBJ, unless they are determined to have no fun. For guys not into DATY, there are other ways. I find girls can get off better in cowgirl position than in Mish, because they can control the movement and how the clit is affected by the movement. A girl to cum in mish or doggy is at least 3 times more difficult than cowgirl unless she is using fingers or a vibe for additional stimulation. I can't comment on girls somehow cumming with anal sex. I would very sceptical, but simple don't have the experience to know much. With additional stimulation, then possible.

I note some girls like light anal stimulation and some hate it. Girls vary so much. Some girls love DATY with some fingers in pussy and little one in her ass as well, I. E. Max her out with stimulation from too many sources. Other hand tickling her nipple does not go amiss either. We just find which things each particular girl likes, and what makes go crazy. Some cum excessively easily, and some very difficult, and some don't bother to lie about it.

Some girls don't even know if they are difficult or easy, since they never had anything to compare with. I found it amusing if a girl got her first pop within 5 minutes, yet claimed she cums with great difficulty. Maybe some don't want to admit they are actually a bit horny.

Girls really into kissing big time are usually orgasmic too, in my experience. My most difficult to cum regular was quite shy about kissing (semi resisting) but needed a few drinks to loosen her up. Still she would only cum sometimes. She needed a younger athletic guy to fuck her hard I think. DATY sometimes worked, mainly if she was deprived for some time. I thought about a vibe to assist but she was not receptive to that idea. A bit conservative. Many girls love vibes. Girls really into big cock, often like those large jack rabbits with the rotating beads inside and clit buzzer on the top. Others like a small thing with a very strong buzz. One ex GF was too shy to say how much she used the vibes I bought her while I was away, but silence was no denial. Other girls ordered a new one because old one clapped out.

My view is that a girl that never ever masturbated or used a vibe, either has too many partners, or is just not a horny girl at all. For sure my current GF / Mrs gets off sometimes when I am away. No big deal. I prefer horny girls. My past partners that never masturbated at all, were duds, although one girl started with farangs when she was 16. Definitely a horny type.

What brought me to Thailand initially was that Thai hookers were way more fun than western hookers in the homeland. In homeland, maybe 1 in 10 western girls was really good. Thailand started at 80% good, but has declined badly over the years, to maybe 40% acceptable now of girls chosen. Means the choosing has to get more and more careful.

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Girls really into kissing big time are usually orgasmic too, in my experience. My most difficult to cum regular was quite shy about kissing (semi resisting) but needed a few drinks to loosen her up. Still she would only cum sometimes. She needed a younger athletic guy to fuck her hard I think. DATY sometimes worked, mainly if she was deprived for some time. I thought about a vibe to assist but she was not receptive to that idea. A bit conservative. Many girls love vibes. Girls really into big cock, often like those large jack rabbits with the rotating beads inside and clit buzzer on the top. Others like a small thing with a very strong buzz. One ex GF was too shy to say how much she used the vibes I bought her while I was away, but silence was no denial.

My view is that a girl that never ever masturbated or used a vibe, either has too many partners, or is just not a horny girl at all. For sure my current GF / Mrs gets off sometimes when I am away. No big deal. I prefer horny girls. My past partners that never masturbated at all, were duds, although one girl started with farangs when she was 16. Definitely a horny type.
[/QUOTE]My experience ia little different. My GF loves kissing and cuddling type stuff. She is also super horny, as one night she messages me around 2 am if she can come to meet. But she is almost impossible to cum by sex alone. I have tried wot, doggy and miss with her and it's impossible to make her cum.

She has cummed twice with me, and that with DATY only.

I am thinking to include some toys now, during sex as I don't want just her to cum by DATY.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2335954].................. Girls like a good DATY, just like we like a really good BBBJ.................What brought me to Thailand initially was that Thai hookers were way more fun than western hookers in the homeland. In homeland, maybe 1 in 10 western girls was really good. Thailand started at 80% good, but has declined badly over the years, to maybe 40% .............[/QUOTE]Our experiences have more or less differed. My first sexual experiences were with hookers in NYC in the early '70's. Back then I was not into DATY with prostitutes but the women mostly insisted on it and on many occasions my head was forced southwards; furthermore, demands for "'round the world" as we called it then were frequent. Eventually I got to like it. When I began mongering outside of the US some years later I discovered that the women mostly did not want it, I was never really asked for it in Europe, LA or Asia and it was occasionally refused me there. I would admit a bit of an exception with Thailand, however, for in the early '90's girls were into all sorts of kinky activities in most of which I participated, I agree that they have gotten more conservative. However, I am yet to encounter girls abroad who demand and enjoy DATY as much as American girls.

[QUOTE=AssLover945;2331303]After a few poor BBBJs from freelancers in Nana, I was back to snowwhite for my dose of BBBJ.

Mamasan informed me that a girl has returned back to Snow after a hiatus of a year.

I asked for a show and she came out, she wasn't much of a spinner, and seemed like touching 30. But when mamasan told me she does great BJ, I was sold. And boy I was rewarded in the room for choosing her!.

Awesome deep throat and gagging for almost 30 minutes which I enjoyed seeing too.

So for DT lovers, this one seems promising.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, AssLover. Next time I'm in BKK I'll roll down to SW and hopefully Aom will still be there and I can do a bit of tonsil swabbing.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2335993]Our experiences have more or less differed. My first sexual experiences were with hookers in NYC in the early '70's. Back then I was not into DATY with prostitutes but the women mostly insisted on it and on many occasions my head was forced southwards; furthermore, demands for "'round the world" as we called it then were frequent. Eventually I got to like it. When I began mongering outside of the US some years later I discovered that the women mostly did not want it, I was never really asked for it in Europe, LA or Asia and it was occasionally refused me there. I would admit a bit of an exception with Thailand, however, for in the early '90's girls were into all sorts of kinky activities in most of which I participated, I agree that they have gotten more conservative. However, I am yet to encounter girls abroad who demand and enjoy DATY as much as American girls.[/QUOTE]Being a yank myself, all my early sexual experiences were of course with American gals. I still find American gals from my generation (gen x) to be the horniest, kinkiest, and most comfortable with all aspects of sex when compared with all other females. Most love penises and are not cumphobic like so many Asian gals I've had.

I found some exceptions in Asia, but only a few.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2336071]Being a yank myself, all my early sexual experiences were of course with American gals. I still find American gals from my generation (gen x) to be the horniest, kinkiest, and most comfortable with all aspects of sex when compared with all other females. Most love penises and are not cumphobic like so many Asian gals I've had.

I found some exceptions in Asia, but only a few.[/QUOTE]My experiences are exactly the opposite from yours. My best sexual partners have come from Brazil and Asia.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2336187]My experiences are exactly the opposite from yours. My best sexual partners have come from Brazil and Asia.[/QUOTE]Would love to go to South America. Never have. Asia has been great for availability and ease for me, and I've found some great gals, but overall far less experimental, very few tending towards true kink, and very few pse outside of Tulip and the like. I'd say with the exception of anal, most all my partners in the US were everybit as wild and nasty as the best Tulip gal. Most had a far higher sex drive than I did.

My first trip to Thailand was not at all what I expected gal wise. I was thinking the gals would perform like sex crazed porn stars like my experiences with gals back home. I was quite shocked. Most were far more timid and demure, even though they were sex workers. I remember asking one about talking dirty, certain sex acts, etc and she responded, "I'm not a dirty bad girl. " I had to chuckle at this considering she probably had hundreds of customers per year. Part of it is compartmentalization, but part is the conservative nature of Thais. Ever see any Thai amateur porn? It's very vanilla stuff.

I'd also postulate that fetish and kink only arise when the basic needs are met. You don't have the luxury of it when you are worried about your next meal. It also takes a certain amount of psychosexual development and sophistication that you really only see in first world nations. I have yet to meet a Thai gal that can really get inside my head during sex, exploring and finding those hidden triggers that take the act as high as it can go. I miss gals like that as the psychological aspect is up there in importance with the physical and the skill set.
And this would be something I'd be willing to pay today's crazy prices for.

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My first trip to Thailand was not at all what I expected gal wise. I was thinking the gals would perform like sex crazed porn stars like my experiences with gals back home. I was quite shocked. Most were far more timid and demure, even though they were sex workers. [/QUOTE]Quite right timid and demure Asians, but still vastly superior to most western hookers from my country. Even the German hookers in my country were better than the locals, where these days I consider German girls as quite risky. Some really young student / hookers were okay To good. Just difficult to find them.

In my own country I had already moved to doing Asian girls only, before coming to Thailand, because 90% of the "locals" were totally shit. Asian girls had a better attitude to fun although not to being pornstars. My Farang ex wife was totally abysmal on the bed (a virgin when I met her and was my first GF). I just did not know any better originally.

So my first solo trip to Thailand in 1991 was way better than what I could have hoped for, even not many girls with sillies and nose jobs. Paradise for me , coming off a low base experience. Its gone downhill badly now. Would love to be transported back and repeat (primed with more knowledge), but preferably well before 1991.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2336187]My experiences are exactly the opposite from yours. My best sexual partners have come from Brazil and Asia.[/QUOTE]It may be that Asian gals like a certain look or physical property that you have that I have not but I find them quite tame or plain shy in bed. How many times have I got "tong / pong" (pain) from Chinese girls. How many Asian gals open their eyes wide after seeing me naked (not shaving my chest occasionally probably adds to the amazement). Brazil is a whole 'nother story. They can compete successfully with 70's /80's US hookers.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2336193]Would love to go to South America. Never have. Asia has been great for availability and ease for me, and I've found some great gals, but overall far less experimental, very few tending towards true kink, and very few pse outside of Tulip and the like. I'd say with the exception of anal, most all my partners in the US were every bit as wild and nasty as the best Tulip gal. Most had a far higher sex drive than I did.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your detailed response as it answers a lot of questions for me. We have very different requirements for receiving the maximum enjoyment from our sexual experiences. I don't need fetishes or any extremely kinky activities. I do occasionally enjoy anal. All I desire is a partner who enjoys the sex as much or more than I do (whether she is faking or not as long as I can't tell I don't care) she is agreeable to multiple positions and agreeable to have sex when I'm ready. If she can orgasm (fake or not again if I can't tell) all the better, if not that's okay too.

I hate a lady that has a far higher sex drive than I do. When I've had enough sex I'm done and I hate having to perform for her additional non enjoyable fucking or toy play to satisfy her. I've only had 2 partners who wanted sex more often and longer than I did and I hated it.

In Brazil the girls attitudes were fantastic and I loved sex with most of them but I don't remember them being kinky besides the majority agreeing to and liking anal, but perhaps it was that I just didn't try anything kinky. The girls from Colombia I thought were beautiful except most too fake for my taste and all but a couple of the girls were only average performers. I also experienced a number of stinky pussies in Colombia. I'm sure I was just unlucky and there are some great girls there as well. I only visited Medellin 5 times and that was enough for me.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2336284]Thank you for your detailed response as it answers a lot of questions for me. We have very different requirements for receiving the maximum enjoyment from our sexual experiences. I don't need fetishes or any extremely kinky activities. I do occasionally enjoy anal. All I desire is a partner who enjoys the sex as much or more than I do (whether she is faking or not as long as I can't tell I don't care) she is agreeable to multiple positions and agreeable to have sex when I'm ready. If she can orgasm (fake or not again if I can't tell) all the better, if not that's okay too.

I hate a lady that has a far higher sex drive than I do. When I've had enough sex I'm done and I hate having to perform for her additional non enjoyable fucking or toy play to satisfy her. I've only had 2 partners who wanted sex more often and longer than I did and I hated it.

In Brazil the girls attitudes were fantastic and I loved sex with most of them but I don't remember them being kinky besides the majority agreeing to and liking anal, but perhaps it was that I just didn't try anything kinky. The girls from Colombia I thought were beautiful except most too fake for my taste and all but a couple of the girls were only average performers. I also experienced a number of stinky pussies in Colombia. I'm sure I was just unlucky and there are some great girls there as well. I only visited Medellin 5 times and that was enough for me.[/QUOTE]To clarify, it's the fact that a woman is open to experimentation that is a requirement, not that they have to be into or have any particular fetish or kink. The fact that she is not squeamish or as we say, cumphobic. And of course the all important dirty mind. The interesting thing is I agree with you when it comes to GFs and long term relationships, it is really tough to be with a gal who has a higher sex drive. But for a f at ckbuddy or a P4 P gal, it is quite a nice thing.

Overall I find Thais enjoy sex on a purely physical level for the most part and are kind of blind to the psychological aspect of it. There have been a few exceptions, mainly certain oily gals who seem to really get off on the power they can have over a horny man. I would guess the culture of more open sensuality breeds a different kind of woman in South America. The best sex of my life has been with well educated gals who grew up in at least middle class homes that were never wanting and had some daddy issues. Just torrid in bed, but man, you don't ever want to have long term relationships with them. Better to be the guy on the side. Took me awhile to learn that.

Shame I did not get to Eastern Europe in the early 90's when you could have had a great looking Czech gal for 10 USD or been to Brazil in the 80's or 90's. Bet that was just terrific.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2336284]I hate a lady that has a far higher sex drive than I do. When I've had enough sex I'm done and I hate having to perform for her additional non enjoyable fucking or toy play to satisfy her. I've only had 2 partners who wanted sex more often and longer than I did and I hated it.
[/QUOTE]Why hate?

I never had any partner that wanted to fuck more than I could handle, unless include girls I had no interest in. It would make a novel change. Even I was disinterested in ex Farang wife, she only wanted once per month, and would be very angry if I did not perform. Happened once I came home form working very long hours for multiple days, had a bad headache for real, and could not perform. Ha ha.

I have one regular with really a hell of a lot of stamina. It is natural that stamina should be greater than mine, as she is a lot younger. No big deal, my tongue never gets tired (strongest part of the body), and I can use Vit V to get a boost for very extended sex. Having short rest periods can help a lot too. Dick gets re sensitized while doing nothing for 5 minutes. Advanced fitness can help with energetic girls, and you definitely don't want to be far over weight. Fortunately (in these cases) I don't pop too soon, but not very fit.

I find I can do DATY for a full 30 mins (quite rare) if meet a girl that is very slow to pop or wants many many cums in the warm up period. If we fuck for long, usually including cowgirl (best position for the girl), and she is still not fully satisfied, she can have more DATY.

BBFS will work better. Condoms and long duration sex don't go well together, however I still remember having 2 hour sessions with girl and a fucking condom.

Plenty of girls suffer from a lazy guy that pops too quick and does not look after her desires / needs. She will have to train him up in DATY, dose him with Viagra to have the dick stay up a bit better, or find a new or additional partner.

I think girls can easily work a vibe for themselves if they need it, as added stimulation. I have no interest in toys myself.

The situation was far worse in the era before Viagra I think, because fat older guys with high blood pressure and insulin resistance, and heart disease, were bound to have serious ED as well, not just mild ED. Guys that took Propecia (and other medications) could have suffered the bad side effects. I refused to ever risk to take that shit. For myself, I can't perform well after drinking significant amounts of alcohol as is just deadens the dick feeling too much. Even Vitamin V would not really be an antidote to the anaesthetising effect.

I remember that one of my early regular girls in Thailand gave me Bareback. Years later she said that she normally did not, but said my dick was harder with no condom, in era before Viagra. I did not even recall any issues. Maybe we forget any less than perfect performances too easily, and always blame the girls. For sure, if we were out drinking a lot of alcohol together, I know my performance would have been poor with a condom, and had not learned to avoid alcohol in those early days. When you are drunk you forget easily a crappy sex session I think.

Even in the modern day, girls sometimes give BBFS only because the condom and/or alcohol is making the dick droop too much. Ha ha.

Maybe 10+ years back a girl asked me to buy her a big jack rabbit rotating dildo from OS. Having returned from Germany, got one nice fuck out of her, than gave her the present. She then used it immediately for extended cums like in epileptic shock. The next morning she was useless to me, totally wiped out. A lesson to be learned. Don't let the girl have too many pops if you want more yourself later. Never took her again.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2336187]My experiences are exactly the opposite from yours. My best sexual partners have come from Brazil and Asia.[/QUOTE]An aside, but I'm always surprised when people bring up South America as some special place for girls compared to others. It's really about the price in South America, just like Thailand. The service there ain't near as good, though the girls are usually better.

Hell. But to be seriously real, even 10 years ago, FKKs and Patrytreffs in Germany could be had for fairly cheap, service was great, and the girls were almost always far more attractive than MP girls in Thailand to put it even lightly. There were insane hotties who were wild, even at the unlimited clubs. Things have changed there, prices certainly increased and the situation is different now, but I think so many people may have missed that era. It makes a lot of what happens in South America look mundane. Thailand is what it is, its good of course, but its different, and you certainly don't get the insane hot girls that are basically models, but work as inexpensive sex workers in Germany and just bang literally all day.

I mean, man some thai girls are willing to get wild and seriously are down for whatever, which is awesome, but its quite different than banging a petite Hungarian model at an an unlimited or cheap one, then moving on to the next model 5 minutes later, and so on.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2336343]Why hate?

I never had any partner that wanted to fuck more than I could handle, unless include girls I had no interest in. It would make a novel change. Even I was disinterested in ex Farang wife, she only wanted once per month, and would be very angry if I did not perform. Happened once I came home form working very long hours for multiple days, had a bad headache for real, and could not perform. Ha ha.[/QUOTE]Syzygies sometimes you seem very naive. I had a girlfriend one time that wanted sex several times a day, everyday. I just couldn't keep up, I admit it I wasn't man enough to take care of her. She would wake me up in the middle of the night wanting sex. If she couldn't get me hard she wanted me to use other methods to get her off. (I assume she masturbated when I wasn't around). Like Goatscrot said finding a lady like that in a MP session or for an overnight is great but living with one became a pure hell. And yes I hated it. That's why we broke up and I found someone that was a better match for my needs.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2336719]Syzygies sometimes you seem very naive. I had a girlfriend one time that wanted sex several times a day, everyday. I just couldn't keep up, I admit it I wasn't man enough to take care of her. She would wake me up in the middle of the night wanting sex. If she couldn't get me hard she wanted me to use other methods to get her off. (I assume she masturbated when I wasn't around). Like Goatscrot said finding a lady like that in a MP session or for an overnight is great but living with one became a pure hell. And yes I hated it. That's why we broke up and I found someone that was a better match for my needs.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of Nina from Cambodia. PVP girl who nearly fucked me to death over three days. Pure heaven but I would agree living like that permanently would sour rather quickly.