Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Barko]By the way, I love "Betong" the town. Great place, a Chinese oasis in the middle of total absolute fucking madness.[/QUOTE]It's a great little town, isn't it? I got introduced to it by Malaysian friends when I was wee lad in the late '70s, when you couldn't even get there from the Thai side. Against all odds it remains every bit as surreal a place today. (Tho I really just took the name after the nice old Malay word for 'bamboo'.)

As for sincerity, I think the final word belongs to whoever said, 'Once you learn how to fake sincerity, then you've got it made!'

Thanks for your report.
Did you take any pictures, so that we can see the difference with the website pics?




[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Gave this a try last week. HIGHLY recommend. Em (the mama/manager) was exceptionally nice and helpful (in fact it was a pleasure just to talk with her, which I did for 30+ min as she was so fun to chat with). I chose Giffcy and she was 100% PSE. Either she is an Oscar caliber actress or she thoroughly enjoys her job. She knew exactly when to take control and when to let go, was kinky and sexy and also sweet (if that makes any sense). 3 hours, 2 shots, and pretty good massage in the middle. Everything is on the menu with her. Only drawback is that her picture is probably 5-10 years old, but hard to care much when the service was so great.

Toys, costumers, etc also available, and threesomes seem a good option here too (I didn't try but will next trip).

[url]http://bangkokhotescort.com/index.php[/url]

One thing about the price (5000 baht for 2 hours). People talk about it being expensive, but I don't agree - in fact I think it's actually cheap in some regards. For example, another night I went to a Gogo and got soaked for 3000+ in drinks and tips, then 800 bar fine, then 2500 for the girl...and that was ST. So it costs less for me to use an escort and get much better service. Obviously there are much cheaper options, but it's a good value and to-your-door delivery is very convenient.

Think I'm talking myself into one more try on my last night here, tonight!

-B-[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spider916]Thanks for your report.
Did you take any pictures, so that we can see the difference with the website pics?[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately no, I didn't.

Unless you are Japanese the selection is quit limited. Most of the lookers will literally only talk to Japanese men.

Are gems to be found, but far and few between.

Also, as previously noted, you will see the same gals from Thermae trolling the Nana parking lot.

[QUOTE=Stew2]One option is Cafe Thermae - stays open for about an hour after Cowboy closes. It isn't to everyone's taste, but it is an option. I have also met some of the women I saw there walking around the neighborhood near Nana and Sukhumvit after Thermae closed... but you said you didn't want SWs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]For example, another night I went to a Gogo and got soaked for 3000+ in drinks and tips, then 800 bar fine, then 2500 for the girl...and that was ST.[/QUOTE]

That's not how you gogo. If you really want to be drunk while you're in a gogo, get drunk before you go. Or if you want to drink with eye candy, take the girl you want, long time, for say 2500, and take her to club with dancers and get a whole bottle of whisky for 1500 or 2000 or so.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]That's not how you gogo. If you really want to be drunk while you're in a gogo, get drunk before you go. Or if you want to drink with eye candy, take the girl you want, long time, for say 2500, and take her to club with dancers and get a whole bottle of whisky for 1500 or 2000 or so.[/QUOTE]

...that I'm not doing things the most economical way (far from it - that was a very light night in fact). Was just saying that the escort price isn't really all that bad, relatively speaking. But I'm certainly not suggesting it's the economical way to go, or how one "should gogo".

Thanks for the tips though. I also suppose I should blow off the aggressive mama's and waitresses more.

Btw, that gogo was Kiss at Cowboy. I mention because they did two things that would probably highly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off most people and deserve mentioning. The first was the waitress brought cokes instead of tequilas (which is what was ordered) for the girls sitting with me, which meant I had to buy those + the tequilas. She played dumb but obviously did it on purpose. The second was that they cleared all our drinks when I went to the bathroom after BF'ing one of the girls, meaning I came back to an empty table while waiting for the girl to change clothes. I talked with the mama and said I though the waitress should have to buy the drinks, or at a bare minimum at least mine, and the mama just basically shrugged. Lame.

Frankly I'm not a big fan of the gogos period, though I've found that BF'ing a girl you know from a gogo and taking her to other gogos can actually be a lot of fun (though expensive). Have had some very wild threesome and even foursome experiences that came about that way (including with twins in Pattaya once...god bless them).

-B-

I believe it was 3 hours, not 2. That was a typo, though honestly I don't 100% remember exactly how long she stayed, but the girl was in no hurry to leave...didn't rush anything at all in fact, even long after the first pop.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Gave this a try last week. HIGHLY recommend. Em (the mama/manager) was exceptionally nice and helpful (in fact it was a pleasure just to talk with her, which I did for 30+ min as she was so fun to chat with). I chose Giffcy and she was 100% PSE. Either she is an Oscar caliber actress or she thoroughly enjoys her job. She knew exactly when to take control and when to let go, was kinky and sexy and also sweet (if that makes any sense). 3 hours, 2 shots, and pretty good massage in the middle. Everything is on the menu with her. Only drawback is that her picture is probably 5-10 years old, but hard to care much when the service was so great.

Toys, costumers, etc also available, and threesomes seem a good option here too (I didn't try but will next trip).

[url]http://bangkokhotescort.com/index.php[/url]

One thing about the price (5000 baht for 2 hours). People talk about it being expensive, but I don't agree - in fact I think it's actually cheap in some regards. For example, another night I went to a Gogo and got soaked for 3000+ in drinks and tips, then 800 bar fine, then 2500 for the girl...and that was ST. So it costs less for me to use an escort and get much better service. Obviously there are much cheaper options, but it's a good value and to-your-door delivery is very convenient.

Think I'm talking myself into one more try on my last night here, tonight!

-B-[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barko]
it is what you make of it, and creating a great session [b]with[/b] the girl becomes more than half the fun.
![/QUOTE]

I have to agree with you here, I work hard to give the girls a fun and sexy time and get paid back with them doing the same.
If you are not in a hurry why not ENJOY being with them ? it starts in the shower and continues to the bedroom, I usually give them a nice massage since I do not really like massages, but its fun to have my hands all over a lovely 20 year old (not going to happen back in the USA) , and it warms them up and makes them comfortable with you.

Again no rush just playing around and you will have a much better time,

This seems to work well, (if you pre-screened them well) they are usually "very" happy when they finally leave, sure it was "work" but they had a good time and want to come back again (and not just for the baht) and ofter tell their friends you are Jai Dee and they want to do with you too.

But some guys seem to be in a hurry to get the deed done and get back to drinking with their mates, thats fine, I am more interested in enjoying my time with them and having a black book full of phone numbers of hot girls that really want to be with me :)

BK

[QUOTE=Blourghus]What after hours action is available? Prefer to stick to bars/disco and not MP's or SW's. [/QUOTE]-Climax is the Usual Suspect, Soi 11, Ambassador Hotel, as others have mentioned.
-Spicey Club and Bossy are the other two after-hours clubs (see below for timing advice).
-CM2 is also open until 2am or so, and Spasso gets heaving after midnight.
-Nana Liquid is yet another option.
- Bed Supper Club (which I detest, but you may like), on soi 11 a little bit up from Climax, and
- Q-bar, also on soi 11.

These latter two are a little bit more sophisticated, and therefore a little more pricey.

All of these are nightclubs, where you get a mix of regular part-timers, SWs, and gogo girls who did not get picked up at their club. There are loads of reports on these clubs, some by me, so do a search and you will get all the info you need. PM me if you have specific questions.

[QUOTE=Blourgus]Also are there are particular days of the week which are better/worse? (as far as lady/customer ratio)I have really back luck with Japanese guys stealing away the perfect lady. [/QUOTE]Two points.
1. Japanese guys tend not to frequent the nightclubs, at least not anywhere near the frequency of gogo bars. So the girls who come to these places are not really expecting a Japanese type experience.
2. The best nights, based upon my experience, are the off-nights, i.e., avoid Fri and Sat nights. This is because you tend to get a serious crunch of bodies, and it makes life hard. On off-days, e.g., Monday nights, Tuesday nights, etc., there are plenty of girls (depending on the time you go), and far less male competition. If it were up to me, I would aim for Sunday through Thursday.

As for timing, I have had some luck showing up at Climax before midnight. But if you do, expect an empty club, and sitting around for a good 45 minutes. The advantage of doing this is you get a good table in prime location where every girl can see you, and you often get the first pick. You can then get outta there by 1am, if you like. But if you are going there after soi Cowboy closes, then it will likely be pretty full by the time you arrive.

Climax is busiest from around 1am-3am.
Spicey Club is busiest from 2:30-4:30am (or thereabouts).
Bossy Club is busiest from around 3:30am-5:30am.
Spasso is busiest from 11:30-2am (or thereabouts, although I've only been here twice)
CM2 is busiest from 1am-2am (or thereabouts, although I've only been here twice)
Bed Supper Club is busiest from 11pm-2am
Q-Bar is busiest from 11pm-1am.
Nana Liquid, in my three experiences there, does not pick up until after 1:30am, and lasts until 5am or so (although I have never been there longer than that).

My regular routine when I feel like some bar hopping is to do Climax from midnight until 2am (I think they have the best band of all the clubs listed here, although it is really loud), then over to Spicey Club until 3:30am (no band, just a DJ), and then Bossy Club for the finale (also no band, but a DJ). If you don't find someone at one of these places, you're blind or very picky.

To get from one place to the other, get a cab - they all know where to go. The only issue is that some taxi drivers will take you to Boss Club instead of Bossy Club (a very common mistake), and the former is not as good as the latter.

Some final tips:
1. If you arrive in a taxi with two or more passengers, you need not pay the taxi guy - he will get a commission from the club. So if you can get a group together, you save some cash.
2. If there are five guys in a group (or thereabouts), instead of paying for entrance separately, you can buy a bottle of whiskey. Upon purchasing a bottle of whiskey, you get five free entries (this varies on the kind of liquor you buy, and the nightclub you are at, so check before you buy). The price of the whiskey varies from establishment to establishment and the with the quality of whiskey, but the advantage of this is they then treat you as a VIP (somewhat), find you a good space in the club, get you a trolley with a bucket of ice and glasses and stuff, and all the girls see you guys as fun guys. It is likely to increase your odds of snagging the pretty ones. And if not, it makes sense economically. Simply ask for the price menu upon arriving and work out the economics of this before paying your entry.

PM me if you have any questions, and I look forward to your report(s).

[QUOTE=Kumbu]-
Some final tips:
1. If you arrive in a taxi with two or more passengers, you need not pay the taxi guy - he will get a commission from the club. So if you can get a group together, you save some cash.
2. If there are five guys in a group (or thereabouts), instead of paying for entrance separately, you can buy a bottle of whiskey. Upon purchasing a bottle of whiskey, you get five free entries (this varies on the kind of liquor you buy, and the nightclub you are at, so check before you buy). The price of the whiskey varies from establishment to establishment and the with the quality of whiskey, but the advantage of this is they then treat you as a VIP (somewhat), find you a good space in the club, get you a trolley with a bucket of ice and glasses and stuff, and all the girls see you guys as fun guys. It is likely to increase your odds of snagging the pretty ones. And if not, it makes sense economically. Simply ask for the price menu upon arriving and work out the economics of this before paying your entry.

PM me if you have any questions, and I look forward to your report(s).[/QUOTE]

Excellent info. I am not a club regular and did not know these last two tidbits. My question is, as I don't speak Thai, how do you make sure the cab driver does not turn on the meter when you get in. The few times I have been to the clubs, my friends and I have always payed the fare. Not that I'm mad, I'd probably do the same thing in their position.

[QUOTE=Booey] as I don't speak Thai, how do you make sure the cab driver does not turn on the meter when you get in. The few times I have been to the clubs, my friends and I have always payed the fare. [/QUOTE]Sometimes, the taxi drivers don't know about this deal either (or so they claim), so it makes for some awkward negotiations. Also, they will definitely take your cab fare if you offer it (thereby getting a double payment) - why would they turn it down if you are offering it to them? Ever wonder why there are so many taxi cabs waiting in front of Climax at 1am? I mean there are literally hundreds of them. The money they can get by double-billing makes it worth their while.

Negotiations: you have two options - try to communicate using hand signals and mangled Thai. I suspect this will fail. The other option, and this works almost every time, is to tell the guy in English that the club will pay. He never understands, so I say "no meter", and away we go. That is, don't worry about the fare at first. If there are five guys in the car, the taxi guy is probably not going to get all pissy with you. Upon arrival at the club, I get out and tell the touts that are ushering me inside to pay the cab. They will make sure there are enough customers coming from the one taxi, and you can just walk away. So you never actually have to negotiate with the taxi guy. Mind you, I would never do this with a BKK taxi if I were alone or with just one or two other people. There really needs to be a car full of people for the taxi guy to behave.

One time the touts pretended not to understand, so I started jabbering in English about how angry I was that they wont pay my taxi and that I am going to Bossy instead (I was at Spicey), and 60 seconds later I was deciding on JW Black or JW Red.

One final caveat: if you are coming from the general Suk area, this works fine. The taxi guy gets a fixed payment, which is inevitably greater than the metered taxi fare he would have gotten. But if you are coming from a distance away, then this probably wont work. The fixed payment must significantly exceed the metered fare for the taxi guys to go for it.

i usually do not report much. sorry. and not about bkk, where i entertain a long standing and satisfying relatioship with the "good girl who loves me too much". however, lately had been chatting up with a fl i had banged in one of my prior trips. a few cam on cam sessions, with appropriate showing and self pleasuring on both sides had lead to a "date" on one morning. i had explained that i had time from 11am till 3 or so, which was fine with her, even if she said she wanted to "hang out with me". the day before, while gf was in shower i had confirmed on msn messenger. gentleman as i am, i said let's meet at the lobby of the lotus hotel in soi 33, with plans to go later on at the peep inn which i gathered would do for a st session, clean enough, and as one friend said, the bed moves only when you move urself.

i arrived in the sukhumvit area around 9 30. time enough to buy condoms, gel, change cash which had become short after heavy drinking sessions in various clubs the night before, and take coffee waiting for her. to my surprise, after getting the condoms and changing money, i had a missed call and one sms telling me, "am here" at the peep inn with my friend waiting for u". friend, peep inn? interesting. so i went there. left side, maybe 200m into soi 33, entrance is on the street level, on the staircase left.

i met the two. my "friend", same as before and on cam, and her friend. too bad, the friend although nice, did not match my expectations. we chatted for a while. then, after they fought a little, "friend of friend" left, after receiving 200 thb for taxi. i did not give, my girl did, and i made a mental note.

we went up to a room. clean. some mirrors, an ob chair. paid 1500. for lt. a little pricey but hell. clean room. new sheets. three hours of sex followed. with the usual "i like you" "why you are not my gig? " " i will be a good girl. " blah blah. true enough, i think that she has stopped "working" now that she finished paying for the house in isaan. go figure. we parted, i gave her 500 thb for taxi. i said taxi for today? she laughed and said taxi for two days. all and all, a pleasing time in a convenient place. for those who don't want to have it in their hotel room. or who are afraid to meet the usual colleague upon coming back. it's really clean, if not the most exciting place. i will go there again with the girl one of these days. her bj skills are quite worth the trip back. and she claims she wants to try anal. which, given the current state of the a-hole, will require a lot of work

i will try the other peep inn at rachada with gf. it seems to be more upscale, and i guess she will like the "themed rooms" they advertise.

as i said, for whatever use.

The NEW fast/cheap train connecting the airport with the city is finally open.

The City Line has several stops, Phyathai Station, Rajprarop Station, Makkasan Station and Ramkhamhaeng Station. Since this new service offers quick-cheap travel from the airport, I'd like to stay near one of these stations.

I have NO clue where these stations are or which area is best to stay near.

Any suggestions as to which station to stay near when in BKK would be helpful. Hotel suggestions would also be appreciated in the 1500-2000THB or so price range.

Last time in Thailand I had a blast (including pixs I posted) and I'd like to have as good an experience.

Can I get comments on the status of the airport skytrain to the Suk. area?

Would like reliable info. to include pricing/schedule/trip duration, etc...

thanks

[QUOTE=Bill]Can I get comments on the status of the airport skytrain to the Suk. area?

Would like reliable info. to include pricing/schedule/trip duration, etc...

thanks[/QUOTE]

Tried few days ago, when it was still free, but no direct line. Actually the only connection with BTS is at Phia Thai station (5 min. from Nana or Asoke station). You have to take exit 4, go down the stairs and walk right for about 50 meters. It takes 25 minutes to arrive airport. You arrive at floor 1. Very quick. Only downside are the loss of an escalator at skytrain station (if you have a heavy baggage), in the train there is no rooms to put baggage (but maybe in direct line one it can change) and expecially the loss of connection with other mass transit systems.
For more info:
[url]http://airportraillink.railway.co.th/en/index.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Theant][url]http://airportraillink.railway.co.th/en/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks for this! Looking at the map it seems quickest route, if you have bags, might be to take the train to the City Air Terminal and then get a cab.

Does anyone know if there is a taxi stand at the Makkasan station? If no-one has information I will check it out on Thursday when I arrive and report back.

Thankyou Theant,

Info will help many a monger and myself save time and worry from dealing with
problem taxi cabs if we arrive/depart during hours of operation.

Also read that the SA express station is about 300ft from the Petchaburi MRT.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Unless you are Japanese the selection is quit limited. Most of the lookers will literally only talk to Japanese men.

Are gems to be found, but far and few between.

Also, as previously noted, you will see the same gals from Thermae trolling the Nana parking lot.[/QUOTE]


I had no problem pulling some foxes from there two years ago. Going rate then was 2500 LT. But well worth it for both the girls I took with me. Great lookers and great GFE.

One spoke zero English, only Nipponese. But we still had great fun.

Has this place really change that much?

I was hoping to hit this place up next time in BKK. I liked that you copuld walk in, do a couple pass-bys around the club, pick your target, and be out of there with the girl in less than half an hour. No need to hang out too long at the creature cantina.

Well it has been around 10 days for me in the LOS and I've got 6 more so I've decided to take a day of rest and write this report, sorry this is not too detailed as I've been drinking every single day since I've gotten here

Day 1 went to sharks at soi cowboy, great selection, picked this hottie with a great body and great rack, didn't want to negotiate due to situational circumstances so paid asking price of 2500bht st and 600bht bar fine, I think she stayed almost 3hrs, gave her a 500bht tip(saw her talking to some japanese guys after she got dressed at the bar so during our session I took my time, I wanted to make sure I wasnt bar fining her for them haha, she was good, well worth the 3kbht)

Day 2 went to nana plaza had some drinks at obsessions, katoey bar, had I not read beforehand I seriously would not have believed that they were all ladyboys, I would say 75% of them were extremely pretty and I would have taken them if I did not know, sat with papasan, real nice guy, chatted for a couple of mins then a buncha dancers lined up in front of me, LOL I had to buy one of them a drink, I forget the name but he was extremely pretty and very nice, but I couldn't pull the trigger

Continued and went around to rainbow, carasoul, and some other bars, quite a few pretty girls but did not pull anything, had too much to drink and went back to my hotel and crashed

Sorry next few days are hazy, way too much drinking, then went to Pattaya for a few days(will post my Pattaya days in that forum), now back in BKK

Went to soi cowboy, was looking for this one girl I saw my first time in BKK last week couldn't find her, went to kiss club(probably around 10 girls available, all the coyote girls were hot), very pretty girl sat down next to me, bought her a drink, I think the time was around 1am, she quoted 2k st and 700bht bar fine, I was going to barfine her but she went onstage to dance, while I waited pushy ass waitress annoyed me, she wanted drink, she kept massaging my shoulder with her elbow and it hurt like hell, kept bugging me so I said I'm leaving, paid 360bht for my drink and lady drink tipped girl 100bht, went home and went to sleep, again too much drinking

Last nite went to nana liquid disco around 2am, good number of girls, around 50 or so, front area was full so I sat towards the back area, was eyeing this pretty lady she sat at the bar alone, but then her 2 friends showed up, they looked like ladyboys so I was afraid she was one also, then these 2 ladys get some drinks, they sit next to me, very pretty light skinned lady winks, we tap beers say cheers drink, I watch her and her friend dance for a bit, then I notice this young lady nearby, she eyes me, she stays only for a few minutes and leaves, awww too bad for me, so I turn back to the lady that was sitting next to me, I talk to her, she quotes 2k st, I say sure why not, then her drunk friend comes back, starts yelling at me, I'm like whoa, sorry I don't understand you, but I can tell she's angry, I tell the lady I think I should leave because her friend doesn't like me, she said its ok, her friend is drunk, ya I knew that already, so drunk friend then pushes her way in between me and the pretty girl, so I get up to leave and pretty girl tries to pull me to sit on her other side away from drunk friend, but the drunk friend gets angry starts yelling and shooing me off, so I leave, ohhhh well too bad, drunk lady just cost her friend 2k bht plus 500bht tip

As I am leaving, I think ok maybe time to hit up spicy disco or bossy, as I look for a cab I see the pretty young lady that was in nana disco a few minutes and then had left, so I grab her, took her back to my hotel and had some fun, 2k bht total for a few hours of fun, she left around 5am LOL, she was 18 and had a nice body, nice young and tight, not the best performance but I'm a dirty old man and it was fun for me

Not sure how next 6 days are going to go but have to drink alot less, I think if I drink less I would be having more fun with the ladies and I would not be so tired so much.

All good advice (below). Personally, I just get out and say nothing at Bossy - it's so automatic that I don't even think about it, and no taxi driver has ever said anything. I never knew that it was the same deal at Spicey.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Sometimes, the taxi drivers don't know about this deal either (or so they claim), so it makes for some awkward negotiations. Also, they will definitely take your cab fare if you offer it (thereby getting a double payment) - why would they turn it down if you are offering it to them? Ever wonder why there are so many taxi cabs waiting in front of Climax at 1am? I mean there are literally hundreds of them. The money they can get by double-billing makes it worth their while.

Negotiations: you have two options - try to communicate using hand signals and mangled Thai. I suspect this will fail. The other option, and this works almost every time, is to tell the guy in English that the club will pay. He never understands, so I say "no meter", and away we go. That is, don't worry about the fare at first. If there are five guys in the car, the taxi guy is probably not going to get all pissy with you. Upon arrival at the club, I get out and tell the touts that are ushering me inside to pay the cab. They will make sure there are enough customers coming from the one taxi, and you can just walk away. So you never actually have to negotiate with the taxi guy. Mind you, I would never do this with a BKK taxi if I were alone or with just one or two other people. There really needs to be a car full of people for the taxi guy to behave.

One time the touts pretended not to understand, so I started jabbering in English about how angry I was that they wont pay my taxi and that I am going to Bossy instead (I was at Spicey), and 60 seconds later I was deciding on JW Black or JW Red.

One final caveat: if you are coming from the general Suk area, this works fine. The taxi guy gets a fixed payment, which is inevitably greater than the metered taxi fare he would have gotten. But if you are coming from a distance away, then this probably wont work. The fixed payment must significantly exceed the metered fare for the taxi guys to go for it.[/QUOTE]

Tried SOL tonight around midnight. The three girls outside literally did not say a word to me. I chatted with (better said "at") them for about a min and they just gave me fake smiles and went back to sms'ing. Asked them if I could go inside and they gave a kind of "sure, whatever" look, so I just passed. Guess I got there way too late. So for info sake, don't bother going there late - was a really "un-Thai" like experience.

So just past SOL is Mike's, hidden away a bit down a small alley. Went in, girls were on me like white on rice, but I wanted to sit for a second and order a drink and check out which one I wanted. This apparently meant "waste of time" to them and they immediately ambushed a guy that followed me in. I just had my drink, chatted for a (very) short time with the bartender girl (who was neither friendly nor unfriendly) and went to Kangaroo. No lookers anyway, though I guess I would have stayed if the girls put any effort beyond the ambush style.

Kangaroo was fine. Nothing super special, but low key enough and got a fairly decent BJ. They charged me 800, but I got the feeling that it should have been 700. Whatever, it's $3 extra. Nothing great to say about the place but nothing bad either. Was just a convenient BJ with very low effort, and enough girls to at least get a choice. The place is run a lot better than Mike's for sure.

Unfortunate about SOL as had a great experience there before. Again, I'm assuming it's better in the afternoon before the girls are worn out.

-B-

Anyone been, and know the deal there in terms of takeout, fees, etc.?

-B-

[QUOTE=Ian Oxon]Thanks for this! Looking at the map it seems quickest route, if you have bags, might be to take the train to the City Air Terminal and then get a cab.[/QUOTE]Surely the taxi drivers will be furious. Good link here also:

Bangkok Airport Rail Link vs. city taxi:

The city’s long-awaited rail line to Suvarnabhumi International Airport starts full operation today. So how does it compare with taking a taxi to the airport?

By Greg Jorgensen 23 August, 2010

[url]http://www.cnngo.com/bangkok/visit/transporation-faceoff-362693[/url]

First trip to Bangkok on August 3rd. Arrived around 5 PM. Travelling on business through SE Asia. Stayed at the Penisula Hotel. Got a GREAT rate. 2, 800 Bahtfor 10th floor room including breakfast. One advantage to the economic downturn!

Fortunately Tuesday night was free. Took the water taxi then the Skyline to Baccara. Intending to check out the area. And head to Nana Liquid around midnight. Went upstairs. Found a great dancer. Good english, tall, B/C breasts, pale skin, lovely eyes. Talked between sets. Spent 900 baht on beer & ladies drinks (her & her girlfriend). And then struck up the conversation for the nights company (around 12?). Ended up with 3500 baht + 600 bar fine for the evening for one, a little expensive. But well worth it. Got back to the hotel around one. Couple of hours of just about everything, 4 hours of sleep, another hour of fun, breakfast. And off to work by 9. Name was Toi?

Unfortunately, had a flight out at 1 AM Thursday to Shanghai, so could only window shop. Found Biergarten. Full of prospects. But only a couple of keepers. Walked around Nana. Lots of women. But too early for anything serious, then cab to the airport. I will be back for longer time & serious exploring.

[quote=bonzo1]tried sol tonight around midnight. the three girls outside literally did not say a word to me. i chatted with (better said "at") them for about a min and they just gave me fake smiles and went back to sms'ing. asked them if i could go inside and they gave a kind of "sure, whatever" look, so i just passed. guess i got there way too late. so for info sake, don't bother going there late - was a really "un-thai" like experience.

so just past sol is mike's, hidden away a bit down a small alley. went in, girls were on me like white on rice, but i wanted to sit for a second and order a drink and check out which one i wanted. this apparently meant "waste of time" to them and they immediately ambushed a guy that followed me in. i just had my drink, chatted for a (very) short time with the bartender girl (who was neither friendly nor unfriendly) and went to kangaroo. no lookers anyway, though i guess i would have stayed if the girls put any effort beyond the ambush style.

kangaroo was fine. nothing super special, but low key enough and got a fairly decent bj. they charged me 800, but i got the feeling that it should have been 700. whatever, it's $3 extra. nothing great to say about the place but nothing bad either. was just a convenient bj with very low effort, and enough girls to at least get a choice. the place is run a lot better than mike's for sure.

unfortunate about sol as had a great experience there before. again, i'm assuming it's better in the afternoon before the girls are worn out.

-b-[/quote]
i have to agree with you regarding the sol cold shoulder. that has been my experience (and friends of mine) in the last month or so. its funny-first the report about the girls being racist and now they are ignoring people. the mamasan that works behind the counter is never there so perhaps that enables the girls to do what they want. and this has even happened to me in the middle of the day when they are not tired. frankly i have boycotted sol. dirty conditions, racist, bad attitudes and generally none of them are attractive has driven me to go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] now. the girls are friendlier, they don't care who you are and you can get the same thing as sol (sans doing it in public) and it is cleaner and bigger. believe me the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] girls will do all the things the sol girls do.

as far as mikes place i walked in once and had the same experience. i never went back.

On my recent trip to BKK, a local friend of mine took me to a new soapy called "The Lord".

Apparently new and more upmarket.

Funny enough they have girls all the way up to THB10,000 for a session!
He even added, with abit of humor, you can call, but they might not come. Yup, im gonna wait for them to come patiently, considering im the one paying.

Anyhow, i didnt see anything i liked (price vs looks of course), and off i went.

Wondered if anyone has been here and why is it SO damn expensive? If its worth a try of course, i will definitely head back.

Ceasars was alot better for me. Especially with their themed VIP rooms and group sessions.

Anyone at all?

[QUOTE=Kenster]"The Lord"...THB10,000 for a session...If its worth a try[/QUOTE]I'm gonna' go out on a limb and say it's not.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]-Climax is the Usual Suspect, Soi 11, Ambassador Hotel, as others have mentioned.
-Spicey Club and Bossy are the other two after-hours clubs (see below for timing advice).
-CM2 is also open until 2am or so, and Spasso gets heaving after midnight.
-Nana Liquid is yet another option.
- Bed Supper Club (which I detest, but you may like), on soi 11 a little bit up from Climax, and
- Q-bar, also on soi 11.

[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the great info..I was precisely looking for this...Anyways, As i'm from India...I'm not the first choice for most of the bar girls in Thailand :) However, things do change somewhat in the clubs.

As we Indians or Asian's are mostly after fair skin..what are the percentage of fair skin girls there.....like Chinese-Thai girls...[yeah yeah i know but there is no bar fine for dreaming :) ]...wish i could get hold of some of the girls i saw on youtube at RCA route 66.

How does RCA clubs compare with the above clubs you mentioned? When i was in Pattaya...i saw lots and lots of fair skinned girls being discarded by the mongers from west...mamasan was pushing to take a very fair skinned girl as she knew many Indians go with them...hope bangkok would be same :)

Thanks a lot

[P.s >> to whom may take on my fair skin comment...no racism meant..just my taste ;)]

[QUOTE=Kenster]On my recent trip to BKK, a local friend of mine took me to a new soapy called "The Lord".

Apparently new and more upmarket.

Funny enough they have girls all the way up to THB10,000 for a session!
He even added, with abit of humor, you can call, but they might not come. Yup, im gonna wait for them to come patiently, considering im the one paying.
.....
Anyone at all?[/QUOTE]Funny enough! sometime we discuss for ages on a 100B tip and there is some provider in the market expecting one pays up 10.000B... unbelievable. DoES ONE buy the girl for a month for that amount? lol

[quote=showdown]...i have boycotted sol. dirty conditions, racist, bad attitudes and generally none of them are attractive has driven me to go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] now.[/quote]

it is funny how experiences vary. i have never had a very good time at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] - in fact many very unsatisfying times - while at sol i always walk out thinking 'wow'. best place in bangkok.

[QUOTE=Theant]Tried few days ago, when it was still free, but no direct line. Actually the only connection with BTS is at Phia Thai station (5 min. from Nana or Asoke station). You have to take exit 4, go down the stairs and walk right for about 50 meters. It takes 25 minutes to arrive airport. You arrive at floor 1. Very quick. Only downside are the loss of an escalator at skytrain station (if you have a heavy baggage), in the train there is no rooms to put baggage (but maybe in direct line one it can change) and expecially the loss of connection with other mass transit systems.

For more info:

[url]http://airportraillink.railway.co.th/en/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]Just need to work out which station is closest to the soapies or which of the soapies is closest to a station. Sometimes I have several hours to kill before check in opens.

Hello,

What is your opinions about LT price in Bangkok? How much is average price?

[QUOTE=Willa1]First trip to Bangkok on August 3rd. Arrived around 5 PM. Travelling on business through SE Asia. Stayed at the Penisula Hotel. Got a GREAT rate. 2, 800 Bahtfor 10th floor room including breakfast. One advantage to the economic downturn!

Fortunately Tuesday night was free. Took the water taxi then the Skyline to Baccara. Intending to check out the area. And head to Nana Liquid around midnight. Went upstairs. Found a great dancer. Good english, tall, B/C breasts, pale skin, lovely eyes. Talked between sets. Spent 900 baht on beer & ladies drinks (her & her girlfriend). And then struck up the conversation for the nights company (around 12?). Ended up with 3500 baht + 600 bar fine for the evening for one, a little expensive. But well worth it. Got back to the hotel around one. Couple of hours of just about everything, 4 hours of sleep, another hour of fun, breakfast. And off to work by 9. Name was Toi?

Unfortunately, had a flight out at 1 AM Thursday to Shanghai, so could only window shop. Found Biergarten. Full of prospects. But only a couple of keepers. Walked around Nana. Lots of women. But too early for anything serious, then cab to the airport. I will be back for longer time & serious exploring.[/QUOTE]Some of you are paying outrageous prices. You paid over 4k!. Thats crazy man.

[QUOTE=Timmylamb]Well it has been around 10 days for me in the LOS and I've got 6 more so I've decided to take a day of rest and write this report, sorry this is not too detailed as I've been drinking every single day since I've gotten here

Day 1 went to sharks at soi cowboy, great selection, picked this hottie with a great body and great rack, didn't want to negotiate due to situational circumstances so paid asking price of 2500bht st and 600bht bar fine, I think she stayed almost 3hrs, gave her a 500bht tip(saw her talking to some japanese guys after she got dressed at the bar so during our session I took my time, I wanted to make sure I wasnt bar fining her for them haha, she was good, well worth the 3kbht)

Day 2 went to nana plaza had some drinks at obsessions, katoey bar, had I not read beforehand I seriously would not have believed that they were all ladyboys, I would say 75% of them were extremely pretty and I would have taken them if I did not know, sat with papasan, real nice guy, chatted for a couple of mins then a buncha dancers lined up in front of me, LOL I had to buy one of them a drink, I forget the name but he was extremely pretty and very nice, but I couldn't pull the trigger

Continued and went around to rainbow, carasoul, and some other bars, quite a few pretty girls but did not pull anything, had too much to drink and went back to my hotel and crashed

Sorry next few days are hazy, way too much drinking, then went to Pattaya for a few days(will post my Pattaya days in that forum), now back in BKK

Went to soi cowboy, was looking for this one girl I saw my first time in BKK last week couldn't find her, went to kiss club(probably around 10 girls available, all the coyote girls were hot), very pretty girl sat down next to me, bought her a drink, I think the time was around 1am, she quoted 2k st and 700bht bar fine, I was going to barfine her but she went onstage to dance, while I waited pushy ass waitress annoyed me, she wanted drink, she kept massaging my shoulder with her elbow and it hurt like hell, kept bugging me so I said I'm leaving, paid 360bht for my drink and lady drink tipped girl 100bht, went home and went to sleep, again too much drinking

Last nite went to nana liquid disco around 2am, good number of girls, around 50 or so, front area was full so I sat towards the back area, was eyeing this pretty lady she sat at the bar alone, but then her 2 friends showed up, they looked like ladyboys so I was afraid she was one also, then these 2 ladys get some drinks, they sit next to me, very pretty light skinned lady winks, we tap beers say cheers drink, I watch her and her friend dance for a bit, then I notice this young lady nearby, she eyes me, she stays only for a few minutes and leaves, awww too bad for me, so I turn back to the lady that was sitting next to me, I talk to her, she quotes 2k st, I say sure why not, then her drunk friend comes back, starts yelling at me, I'm like whoa, sorry I don't understand you, but I can tell she's angry, I tell the lady I think I should leave because her friend doesn't like me, she said its ok, her friend is drunk, ya I knew that already, so drunk friend then pushes her way in between me and the pretty girl, so I get up to leave and pretty girl tries to pull me to sit on her other side away from drunk friend, but the drunk friend gets angry starts yelling and shooing me off, so I leave, ohhhh well too bad, drunk lady just cost her friend 2k bht plus 500bht tip

As I am leaving, I think ok maybe time to hit up spicy disco or bossy, as I look for a cab I see the pretty young lady that was in nana disco a few minutes and then had left, so I grab her, took her back to my hotel and had some fun, 2k bht total for a few hours of fun, she left around 5am LOL, she was 18 and had a nice body, nice young and tight, not the best performance but I'm a dirty old man and it was fun for me

Not sure how next 6 days are going to go but have to drink alot less, I think if I drink less I would be having more fun with the ladies and I would not be so tired so much.[/QUOTE]That is just plan nuts. Why are you paying double the going rate, then tipping them?

You are just driving up prices for everyone else.

[QUOTE=Timmylamb]Well it has been around 10 days for me in the LOS and I've got 6 more so I've decided to take a day of rest and write this report, sorry this is not too detailed as I've been drinking every single day since I've gotten here

Day 1 went to sharks at soi cowboy, great selection, picked this hottie with a great body and great rack, didn't want to negotiate due to situational circumstances so paid asking price of 2500bht st and 600bht bar fine, I think she stayed almost 3hrs, gave her a 500bht tip(saw her talking to some japanese guys after she got dressed at the bar so during our session I took my time, I wanted to make sure I wasnt bar fining her for them haha, she was good, well worth the 3kbht)

Day 2 went to nana plaza had some drinks at obsessions, katoey bar, had I not read beforehand I seriously would not have believed that they were all ladyboys, I would say 75% of them were extremely pretty and I would have taken them if I did not know, sat with papasan, real nice guy, chatted for a couple of mins then a buncha dancers lined up in front of me, LOL I had to buy one of them a drink, I forget the name but he was extremely pretty and very nice, but I couldn't pull the trigger

Continued and went around to rainbow, carasoul, and some other bars, quite a few pretty girls but did not pull anything, had too much to drink and went back to my hotel and crashed

Sorry next few days are hazy, way too much drinking, then went to Pattaya for a few days(will post my Pattaya days in that forum), now back in BKK

Went to soi cowboy, was looking for this one girl I saw my first time in BKK last week couldn't find her, went to kiss club(probably around 10 girls available, all the coyote girls were hot), very pretty girl sat down next to me, bought her a drink, I think the time was around 1am, she quoted 2k st and 700bht bar fine, I was going to barfine her but she went onstage to dance, while I waited pushy ass waitress annoyed me, she wanted drink, she kept massaging my shoulder with her elbow and it hurt like hell, kept bugging me so I said I'm leaving, paid 360bht for my drink and lady drink tipped girl 100bht, went home and went to sleep, again too much drinking

Last nite went to nana liquid disco around 2am, good number of girls, around 50 or so, front area was full so I sat towards the back area, was eyeing this pretty lady she sat at the bar alone, but then her 2 friends showed up, they looked like ladyboys so I was afraid she was one also, then these 2 ladys get some drinks, they sit next to me, very pretty light skinned lady winks, we tap beers say cheers drink, I watch her and her friend dance for a bit, then I notice this young lady nearby, she eyes me, she stays only for a few minutes and leaves, awww too bad for me, so I turn back to the lady that was sitting next to me, I talk to her, she quotes 2k st, I say sure why not, then her drunk friend comes back, starts yelling at me, I'm like whoa, sorry I don't understand you, but I can tell she's angry, I tell the lady I think I should leave because her friend doesn't like me, she said its ok, her friend is drunk, ya I knew that already, so drunk friend then pushes her way in between me and the pretty girl, so I get up to leave and pretty girl tries to pull me to sit on her other side away from drunk friend, but the drunk friend gets angry starts yelling and shooing me off, so I leave, ohhhh well too bad, drunk lady just cost her friend 2k bht plus 500bht tip

As I am leaving, I think ok maybe time to hit up spicy disco or bossy, as I look for a cab I see the pretty young lady that was in nana disco a few minutes and then had left, so I grab her, took her back to my hotel and had some fun, 2k bht total for a few hours of fun, she left around 5am LOL, she was 18 and had a nice body, nice young and tight, not the best performance but I'm a dirty old man and it was fun for me

Not sure how next 6 days are going to go but have to drink alot less, I think if I drink less I would be having more fun with the ladies and I would not be so tired so much.[/QUOTE]

Timmylamb

You're over paying the going rate then tipping????

No negotiating sets a bad precedent for the rest of us. Just because a price is quoted does not mean that's the out the door price.

The Key word is NEGOTIATE!!!!!

In 39 years of mongering I have watched many prime whoring locations worldwide become way overpriced because mongers lack basic negotiating skills.

Problem is we are running out of locations that offer value.

Fairly simple concept, use the word NO and do not think with your dick.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Starchild2012]As i'm from India...I'm not the first choice for most of the bar girls in Thailand :) [/QUOTE]Well, I am a brownie too, but I have to say the whole racial stigma thing is more what you make of it yourself. Thai girls think I am Indian, Italian, Spanish, Australian (maybe in a Tim Cahill kind of way), South American, sometimes Arab, sometimes Turkish, etc. The ones who have something against such people stay away from me, but for every one that discriminates against brownies like me, there is usually one who discriminates against whities. Believe it or not, there are plenty of girls who will never go with a Japanese guy, although you would never know it from reading this forum. I had a superb experience with a girl in June (who I affectionately referred to in my reports as Bazooms) who had a fetish for all things Indian. She watched Indian movies every night, rented from one of two locations in BKK that stock new Bollywood productions. She sang Indian songs while she showered, she adored my black hair and 'tanned' skin. My point: don't let your ethnicity hold you back - Thailand is good to all. If you think Thai people are any more racist than other people on Earth, then, as my 3 year old niece says to me, "You kwaaazy."

[QUOTE=Starchild2012]How does RCA clubs compare with the above clubs you mentioned? [/QUOTE]I think RCA is great for a fun night out, but it sucks as a mongering location. I posted a report a while ago in which I give you my detailed thoughts on the place:
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As an aside, when I've been to RCA, I have often seen some Indian-type guys floating around. I think these are the local Indians, i.e., they speak Thai. But I don't know that for a fact.

[QUOTE=Starchild2012]When i was in Pattaya...i saw lots and lots of fair skinned girls being discarded by the mongers from west...mamasan was pushing to take a very fair skinned girl as she knew many Indians go with them...hope bangkok would be same :)[/QUOTE]You can get whatever the fuck you want in BKK. Light skinned, dark skinned, skinny, fatty, tall, small, young, old, vaginaed, penised, skanky, sexy, whatever. If you have the patience, the demeanor, and the occasional dollar, whatever one's heart (or penis) desires is there for the taking. I've picked up some super sexy, light-skinned girls from nightclubs in BKK. All you have to do is be patient, dress well, groom better, smell even better, smile, and be a cool dude. I'm sure that's you to the dot, mm?

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Well, I am a brownie too, but I have to say the whole racial stigma thing is more what you make of it yourself. [/QUOTE]This is a sensitive issue, so please take what I am going to write in the right way. I will simply report what my experience has been without that meaning in any way that I support or even only justify any form of racist attitude vis a vis indian people.

I was in Pattaya last March. It was more or less 11 pm and I saw a young and nice looking girl in a beer bar at the beginning of soi 8. It was the first bar after Flipper Lodge heading to the 2nd road if memory serves me well.

I invited her for a beer and we sat a bit back in the bar where we spent more or less half an hour joking, chatting and even touching and kissing each other (with moderation as I am a gentleman.)

After the second round of drinks I decided to barfine her and everything was running smooth: normal barfine, LT request 2K negotiated to 1. 5K, no sign of bad attitude, the conversation had been ok despite her broken english and my poor thai. So, everything was just perfect.

After I paid and while waiting for the change she asked me again about my hotel. I was staying in LK Renaissance in soi Diana which she did not know. Since we had joked up to that moment I wanted to tease her a bit and I told her that I was sharing my room with a mate and that there was only one (external) bathroom serving all the 20 rooms of the floor.

Maybe a stupid joke but the atmosphere was so playful and relaxed that I could not imagine the bad reaction that followed.

She started looking puzzled and asked me if by chance I was indian.

Sure, yes I am, look at my tanned skin and dark hair and eyes.

Hell, all of a sudden she completely changed her attitude. She was scared! She started asking me to to speak in my language (which I did and italian does *not* sound like hindi), then she asked me to repeat my name more and more times (and my name in Italy is as common as John, Bill or Charles in english speaking countries.). I tried to convince her with some Euro coins that I had by chance in my pockets but no way.

In the end, believe it or not, since I had no document with me proving my nationality, she fetched 300 bht from her bag, handed me the cash and disappeared.

Needless to say, I was shocked.

In the next days, during my long bar hopping sessions, I asked around what the hell was wrong with indian guys and many, MANY girls reported first or (mostly) second hand bad experiences: shithole-dirty hotels, bad smelling guys, people trying to pay ridiculous amounts (2/300 bht) or to gangbang the chicks, endless negotiations even after the sessions.

So, once again I repeat what I said at the beginning: this is a plain and simple report of my experience and in no way reflects my point of view. This said, I am afraid that Starchild may not be completely wrong in his statement "As I'm from India. I'm not the first choice for most of the bar girls in Thailand. ". Probably a bit of extra attention to some details (e. G. Absolutely avoid my idiot hotel joke) will help him to avoid unpleasant situations.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]If you think Thai people are any more racist than other people on Earth, then, as my 3 year old niece says to me, "You kwaaazy. "[/QUOTE]Sorry to disagree here but in my opinion as a western tourist & punter it is rather difficult to get the full picture, regardeless of the colour of your skin. There is actually a fracture in the thai society between thai and isaan people, and the dark-skin-flat-nose look is still broadly associated to the low working classes. Look at the ads in the street or on the skytrain, have you ever seen a pretty isaan-looking girl advertising (for example) beauty producs? How many hot brown girls have you encountered telling you "I am ugly, I am dark"?

Go and have a look at how many "brownies" attend the courses of medicine or journalism at Chula or Thammasat. Or go to Burmrungrad and see how many doctors have dark skin. You may be disappointed.

Last March clashes led the country one step from the civil war. The racial element (the fracture I was mentioning before: thai-white-rich vs isasn-dark-poor) was one of the (main) reasons at the base of the protests.

Now, does this mean that every thai will treat you differently according to the color of your skin? No, absolutely. As a foreigner and especially as a tourist and as far as you bring cash nobody will bother you. But saying that thai society is as egalitarian as, say, swedish, spanish, american or german ones, well.

[QUOTE=Timmylamb]Day 1 went to sharks at soi cowboy, great selection, picked this hottie with a great body and great rack, didn't want to negotiate due to situational circumstances so paid asking price of 2500bht st and 600bht bar fine, I think she stayed almost 3hrs, gave her a 500bht tip(saw her talking to some japanese guys after she got dressed at the bar so during our session I took my time, I wanted to make sure I wasnt bar fining her for them haha, she was good, well worth the 3kbht)[/QUOTE]Hi Timmylamb.

Thank you for your reports. Despite some bad moments it seems that you had a good time.

While reading your post I was a bit surprised about the 3k bht (2, 5 + tip) that you paid to the Shark's girl.

Of course it is your money and your feelings, so I am sure that in that moment you felt like it was the right thing to do. And of course you are not the person in charge for the prices stability or the one who should be concerned about the living (and mongering) standard of the expatriates here.

I would rather ask you why you felt like that was the good amount to pay.

In Thailand a mid rank civil servant makes around 15. 000 bht a month. A master degree junior bank officer is paid more or less the same. A cleaning lady in a hotel makes more or less from 6 to 8.000 bht a month.

A senior bachelor degree network administrator employed by a popular Bangkok university is paid less than 20. 000 bht a month.

Your girl's rent is probably around 6. 000 bht a month.

Upcountry, where most of the girls come from, these amounts have probably to be cut by 30 to 50%.

In addition to that, the market prices (I mean the p4p prices) are in average far below the amount you were initially requested. You surely know that the ST going rate at the beergarden is 1 or 1, 5 k bht. Streetwalkers cost more or less the same (most of them will go for 1. 000). Even Rainbow bars, I mean those where the girls' standard is the highest in the gogo scene, instruct their gals to request 2k/4k for short/long time (which is in my opinion a scandal, both the amount and the fact that the bar interferes in the negotiation between punters and girls).

So, don't you think that there is a disproportion between what you paid and what the fair price would be?

I really don't want to criticise you but I believe that simply there is no need to pay so much. It won't give you a better service (on the contrary, experience is in the sense that high requests come together with poor performance), it won't make you more respected or popular and risks to give the idea that you are just a cow to be milked.

All this of course in my very humble opinion.

I speak for many here that this topic is hackneyed, beaten up, and gets WAY too much focus to extremely little useful end on ISG. While there is a LOT of useful info on pricing and negotiation tips, these "you paid to much and have ruined the market" diatribes are summarily just griping. There are many of us that wish Jackson would just move all such posts into another thread; I suggest it be entitled, "Whining about Prices."

Anyway, I'm not going to follow this discussion any further than the comment (/corrections) that I will make below.


[QUOTE=Guido88]Timmylamb

You're over paying the going rate then tipping???? [/QUOTE]

One may tip as one wishes - better said people WILL tip as they wish regardless of what YOU wish or decry - and despite others' views about what is "overpaying" (one word), the reality is the nature of such markets is always to have varying price points and are NOT set by YOU but rather by the entire market. If you and people only exactly like you existed, the market would not. In fact, tips also create the illusion (and in many cases the reality) of prospect for the girls, which draws more to the market. And the market, especially one as large as this one, develops around the different price points -- always has and always will, provided outside factors such as LE don't interfere. Pricing is NOT an outside factor but an intrinsic one.

[QUOTE=Guido88]

No negotiating sets a bad precedent for the rest of us. Just because a price is quoted does not mean that's the out the door price.

The Key word is NEGOTIATE!!!!! [/QUOTE]

Assuming by "precedent" you mean affecting the market and not the consciousness of the "rest of us": no, it does not. Also, negotiation, or lack thereof, is each person's own prerogative, and regardless of how much you cry about it that REALITY is NEVER going to change. If you can't accept this then don't play the game....and stop wasting forum space bitching about it.

[QUOTE=Guido88]

In 39 years of mongering I have watched many prime whoring locations worldwide become way overpriced because mongers lack basic negotiating skills. [/QUOTE]

That is an extremely myopic and erroneous perspective. The list of confounding factors is long, but I'll point out just a few: Inflation, Expansion, Relocation, Development, Segregation, Legal/Regulatory, and perhaps also your age itself (it makes sense that an older monger would have to pay more for the same quality as he did when he was 39 years younger, inflation adjusted).


[QUOTE=Guido88]

Problem is we are running out of locations that offer value.

Fairly simple concept, use the word NO and do not think with your dick.

Guido88[/QUOTE]

That is patently untrue, officious, and neurotically paranoid. There are still TONS of places to monger cheaply. Some have relocated, some are in the same places as always. Some former cheap places now have better quality and are more expensive. Some entirely new places have popped up. And you can still get laid with ease for 500 baht (or less) on beach road in Pattaya, or a lot less in Angeles City, Cambodia, Laos, some places in Southern China, and many others. For that matter, Bangkok is still very cheap in many places. There are also expensive options (thankfully). You probably aren't going to get G-club girls for 500 baht. In the same way as you could buy an apartment in some locations of the city for $10,000 and in other places for $20 million, there are different prices for different budgets. And if someone wants to pay $20 million for a $10,000 apartment, it is not gonna "ruin the market." Ultimately, if everyone started doing that, then that would no longer be considered overpaying, because that would actually BE the market.

Meanwhile, I've said this before -- if overpaying ruined the market, as you say, then it would actually be incentive for people with more money to intentionally overpay and thus get rid of the competition (i.e. you) and keep the better girls for themselves, and your whining about it would be nothing more than tolling of a bell to remind and encourage people to do just that. But that's simply not at all how the market works. Just as it would be pointless to try to do that, it's pointless to try to get people to "hold the market down," or even think that such a strategy would actually work for anything other than a tiny fraction of the market and/or for a very short time. Google Nick Leeson if you want a real life example.

Anyway, my point is this: Read up on prices as you wish, and monger as YOU wish. This whole world, especially here in Thailand, is a giant fantasy. Enjoy it as you wish. Up to you. But don't be a hater, or if you are, keep it to yourself.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]But that's simply not at all how the market works . . . .[/QUOTE]I've come to the conclusion that there are a certain percentage of people here who not only don't understand how the market works, but don't want to, preferring to lay down the law as to how we should all behave.

All I can say is that, despite all those dastardly overpayers, I find on average I'm getting the same or maybe even better quality than I was 10 or 20 years ago for about the same price, inflation-adjusted. I've adapted a bit -- more Pattaya, less Bangkok, more Angeles, less Manila -- and I've given up on favorite old playgrounds like Taiwan (which of course got expensive not due to overpaying, but economic development). And every time someone sternly warns me not to spoil the market 'for all of us', I feel an irresistible urge to hand out a big tip.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]...that I'm not doing things the most economical way[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, but you're comparing the gogos with the escort on price. The only thing that the gogos and the escort have in common, is sex with a girl. So we're talking about the price of the sex, which you said was reasonable for the escort, as compared to the gogo. And I pointed out that if the sex is your priority, then you're going about the gogos wrong. If you're going to the gogo for the fun, then it's still a lot cheaper than having the same fun with an escort (as you'd have to take her to a gogo or some other club anyway).

I've also had some wonderful gogo party nights, e.g. taking a girl to a bar where she used to work and buying a bottle, to start with ... that one was memorable :-)

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Anyone been, and know the deal there in terms of takeout, fees, etc.?[/QUOTE]

When I was there, once, it was one of the Patpong upstairs scam bars. Sit for 5 minutes, get a bill for 3000 baht. From outside it looks like it's had a makeover.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]I speak for many here that this topic is hackneyed, beaten up, and gets WAY too much focus to extremely little useful end on ISG. While there is a LOT of useful info on pricing and negotiation tips, these "you paid to much and have ruined the market" diatribes are summarily just griping. There are many of us that wish Jackson would just move all such posts into another thread; I suggest it be entitled, "Whining about Prices."


Up to you. But don't be a hater, or if you are, keep it to yourself.[/QUOTE]


Brilliant stuff, this is ROD material. Posters have been decrying others for overpaying thus ruining the market for years but their target audience is certainly not listening because they have to keep repeating the message. Price conscious members disparaging posters about how said posters spend their own money using the flawed "overpaying ruins the market" theory are engaged in a total waste of effort. Now if we can merge all the chicken little, sky is falling, world is coming to an end, forces of social control is putting their foot on our necks, I'm remember when I could get LT for 300B type posts in the same thread… well that would be asking for too much.

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]Fair enough, but you're comparing the gogos with the escort on price. The only thing that the gogos and the escort have in common, is sex with a girl. So we're talking about the price of the sex, which you said was reasonable for the escort, as compared to the gogo. And I pointed out that if the sex is your priority, then you're going about the gogos wrong. If you're going to the gogo for the fun, then it's still a lot cheaper than having the same fun with an escort (as you'd have to take her to a gogo or some other club anyway).

I've also had some wonderful gogo party nights, e.g. taking a girl to a bar where she used to work and buying a bottle, to start with ... that one was memorable :-)[/QUOTE]

Understand your point, and you are right, but it's not really what I meant. My perspective is as a tourist. Come to Bangkok, want to find a hot girl for wild fun, need to plow through several gogos interviewing girls to get the right one, and that always costs me more and takes a lot more time than just ordering in.

Funny as it sounds, I actually do the "buy my own drinks and get a bit buzzed/drink out of my own bottle at home" with the escort girls, but seem to often get suckered into buying drinks in the gogos. I suspect it's partly because when I go out I enjoy drinking in the bars, partly due to the screening process I mentioned above, and partly due to my being bad at responding to the pressure from the mama's and waitresses (better said just in "relax and enjoy my vacation" mode, much like when I'm in Vegas I'll leave a $100 tip for a dinner or good driver or whatever whereas would be a fraction of that elsewhere).

Anyway, what I really meant is a night of ordering in could easily be cheaper for me (and others) in terms of the total dollars that I spend (regardless of it being an apples to oranges comparison, it's just how it turns out,) so in fact if I want to spend less I consider just ordering in.

Cheers.

hello, friends:

this is my first report on this forum. been lurking around here for a while, learning from you guys prior to my first trip to bangkok. well, i finally made my trip last week! 4 nights in bangkok, staying at a hotel in nana, near n. e. p.

1st night: massage parlor, 400baht + 1000baht = 1400baht

arrived into bkk close to midnight. by the time i got to my hotel, it was nearly 2:00am! i spotted n. e. p and the bars were still somewhat open, but i was too tired for the bar scene. instead, after checking into the hotel, i went to a massage parlor (naree massage) nearby, these guys close at 3am (although their sign outside says 24h). opted for a 1hr oil massage with nice, slim lady in her mid-30s (my guess) for 400 baht. she took me upstairs into a dimly lit room. the room was clean and cool. she gave me a towel and asked me to shower while she prepared the room: turned on music, blasted the a/c, etc. the massage was decent and after flipping me over at the 30 min mark, asked me if i wanted to massage the baby. i asked her if she offered full service, and she laughed (as if i had to ask.). she asked for 1500, but i countered with 1000 baht, saying that that's all i had. and that it was my first night in bangkok! she laughed, and said ok. so she went to work, massaging balls and baby, then gave me a cbj. i was tired as hell from the long flight, but she made me hard in no time. hopped on and hell, i almost came instantly because her pussy was so tight! my first thai pussy and i was overwhelmed by it. i felt like i was in heaven. it was a great first experience.

day 2: cupidy soapy, 2500baht

for my 2nd night, i decided to go to a soapy and so chose to go to cupidy, on the 'basement' floor of the plaza entertainment complex. i was pleasantly surprised by the number of girls available, though only 12 behind the glass (at 2000 baht) and about 25 on the sideline (at 2500 baht). the sideline girls are generally little prettier, though not all sideliners are prettier than all those behind the glass. i took a while to pick, had a drink (shit, at 140 baht) and eventually settled on a sideliner with big boobies. i paid up at the front desk, then followed the girl up. the room pretty decent; had a round bed and a big oval tub. she started filling the tub with water, but then went out and missing for the next few mins, which annoyed me. when she finally came back, we undressed and i got into the tub. her boobies were round and full, but to my disappointment, also full of silicone. anyway, she bathed me and then did the body slippin'n'sliding soapy on the air mattress. my gosh, it was quite an experience and i was so aroused before i could even flip over! so i stopped her short of her routine and told her i'd like to move on to the bed. we cleaned up and got to bed. she massaged my back and legs and when i flipped over, she gave me a cbj, and then we did our thing. i moved around in a couple positions but blew my load rather quickly. i thought i could get a bit of rest and then go for round two since the session was supposed to be 2 hours. so after my first round, she sat behind me and massaged my head while i lied down. then her phone rang. and she started yapping on it. for like 15 mins. i was very annoyed and told her that i'd prefer her not talking while in session, to which she replied "i talk all the time. " so shortly after that, she got up and said we're done. i'm like "wtf?, it's not even 1. 5hr yet. " but she was clearly not interested and got dressed; so i did too. and then, she asked me for 50baht to pay for the cleaning lady; and i'm like "pppft. uh-huh. " back downstairs, i told the papa-san about my aweful girl, talking on the phone and finishing 30 mins before the 2hr session. he apologized and was surprised to hear about her yapping on the phone.

day 3: nataree soapy, 2000baht + 400baht = 2400baht

on my 3rd day, i checked out the gogo bars at n. e. p. in each bar, there were about 4-6 girls on the stage, not that many. i spotted one that was really cute at rainbow. the bar fine was 600baht and 2000baht for the girl. and 400baht if i wanted to use their room upstairs. holy shit, 3000baht, i thought "hell no! ". so i left and decided to go to another soapy, this time to nataree. i took the mrt and got off at huai kwang station. nataree was just a half block walk down (exit 3, i think). it's a building with 3 separate entrances and 3 separate establishments! i didn't know and walked into the left-most one first. turns out it's not nataree (the name escapes me), but it was a tiny little place with like 8 girls behind a glass. after a couple mins, i walked out. went into the center door this time, and again, it's not nataree, but this one had 12 girls. i walked out again and finally, behind the 3rd door was nataree. nataree had a lot of girls (40+), mostly on the sideline. but this time, i knew better. i picked a girl from the glass for 2000baht. she was 24yrs old, from bangkok, and had pearly white skin; i was in love. the experience was much much better with the girl at nataree. the room, however, was pretty shitty. the carpet is old, wet, and stinky. the bed was small and the bedding was dingy. but nonetheless, my overall experience (with the girl being center) was very good. we did the bathe/air mattress routine and then down to business in bed. i asked this girl if i could do multiple pops and she said yes, but asked for a tip. and i thought, "fine, if you perform well. " she turned out to be very accomodating, though she didn't do bbbj when i asked for a bj. then we did missionary as i loved her soft skin rubbing against mine. after my first load, we washed off and went back to bed. she gave me a massage and we chatted for a while; she gave me tips on where to go for dinner. after a while, i asked her to lie down and i gave her a massage (well, sort of). i aroused her a bit, and went daty on her, which she accepted with much pleasure. i normally don't go daty but this girl was so fine, i was aroused to do it. afterwards, she returned the favor and gave me a bbbj. we then did our 2nd round and i really think she enjoyed the session as much as i did; she was moaning and groaning and i think she came like twice. when we were all done, it was a little bit past the 2hr session. i was very pleased with this girl and tipped her 400baht.

night 3: massage room, 1100baht

after dinner and too many beers that evening, i was on sukhumvit 4, on my way back to my hotel. i was stopped by two girls sitting on chairs on a side street asking me to get a massage. i was buzzed and thought, heck, a massage would do me good to sober up. i opted for the 400baht 1-hr oil massage. the place was dark, without any private rooms, just drapes falling down and dividing up the space. the lady leading me to my space was rather unattractive and i tought "damn, this is going to ruin my massage. " she told me to undress and lie down and then closed the curtains. i thought about just walking out at this point, but for some reason, didn't. before i knew it, i was naked, lying down, and with a small towel over my lower half. i think i kind of dozed off and was awakened by a sweet-sounding voice of a young girl. i turned around to see (in the dark light) a surprisingly cute young girl. ahh, i was pleased, to say the least. she had slim, long fingers with thin arms. but was pretty strong and gave me a good massage. when i flipped over, i was again, dozing off. she continued the massage, but wanted to massage my baby. she tapped my thigh, and hand-signaled "500 baht for handjob. " i didn't wanted a handjob. i signaled back "600 for bbbj" she wanted 1000, and cbj. no deal from me, and i went back to sleep. by now, there was an aussie in a stall next to me. after about 15 mins, the aussie was done. i was like, "holy cow, that was quick. " and my girl giggled and sign-languaged to me the guy probably just came, got a hj, and left. she was back at the bargaining table. once again, signaled "500 for hj, 1000 for cbj" but this time added "topless". so i guess i could play with her boobies while she does the cbj. i still didn't bite. i countered with "700 bbbj, no cim", to which she reluctantly agreed. so she went to work with the bbbj. she was doing good and i was enjoying it very much. but since i just did two pops earlier in the evening, i was taking a while to come. after 15 mins, the girl was still working on my stick and intermittently tried to jerk me off since she was getting tired. i felt for her as i would have taken her another 20 mins of sucking to get me to come, i decided to let her jerk me off, which we was skillfully able to do. i paid her 1100baht and asked her to pay the 400 to the house for the massage. what a good day it has been.

4th night: freelancer, 1500baht

on my last night in bangkok, i hit the gogo bars again but didn't find anything special. i don't think gogo bars is my thing. the girls are a bit snobby and i wasn't very fond of paying the bar fee on top of the payment to the girl (2000+ baht). as i exited nep and walked down suk4, i saw a beautiful girl (5'4", slim, with very pretty and clean face and not much makeup at all) sitting at a table at one of those night-eatery stalls. i've eaten at this stall on my 2nd night so i kind of know the girl selling beer there. i asked the beer girl, "is this your friend? " and she said "yes! you like? " i smiled and sat down with the girl. i asked the lady if she wanted a beer, but she apparently didn't hear/understand me. so i told the beer girl to ask the lady if i could buy her a beer. she did the translation for me and my girl gave me a smile and so i got two beers. we did some chit-chat. i finally asked if she was going somewhere and she said no and that she's waiting for a friend. i then asked her if she wanted to go somewhere (my hotel) with me and gave her a wink. i think that clearly signaled to her my intentions so she asked me straight out if i wanted st or lt. i just wanted st since i had a morning flight the following day. she told me 1500baht for st. i told her that all those ladies standing around across the street from where we sat would take 1000baht. to which she replied, "yes. but i have something they don't. " i didn't ask her what that was, but to me, hell yeah, she was different. she talked in a slow, precise manner and she definitely had a graceful aura around her; she didn't seem desparate at all. after that reply, i was head-over-heels for her and told her "yes, i will pay you 1500. " so we walked to my hotel, she dropped her id off at the front desk (without asking), and we went upstairs. she quickly showered and then i did. we were then in bed together. she turned out to be slimmer than first appeared. but her body was beautiful. i let her lie down while i slowly examined her body with my fingers. it tickled her, but she just slightly twitched and moaned. her boobies were not big, but a nice b cup with big nipples. i gave her daty (again, couldn't resist the flesh) and was returned with a very good bbbj. we then did our thing in several positions, covered of course. at the end, i gave her the 1500baht and saw her off. gosh, i so loved the girl. and in retrospect, i should have screwed the flight and done lt with her! it's not often you meet a girl like that, sigh.

conclusion and lessons-learned:

i only had 4 nights in bangkok so as a newbie decided to try out various venues for sex. bangkok's famous soapies are a must-try and must be experienced! although i learned that:

1) sideliner girls at soapies (for extra $$$) are imho not worth it!

2) better place doesn't mean better girls.

3) i could have skipped the drinks.

4) better talk to the girl up front about multiple pops or she might just walk out on you!

the massage parlors are nice and offer good massages. any kind of additional service is always available.

my best experience in bangkok turned out to be with a freelancer on my last night! i hadn't expected to pick up sw during my trip, but it just happened. i realized that sw are not necessarily all desparate p are o s t i t you t e s, and that you may find a diamond in the rough. for instance, the beautiful girl i met, she has a day job at a bank; and she only comes out to nana once in a while. i believe her because after 3 nights that i was walking up and down suk4, i have started to see some familiar faces; but not hers.

i don't know when i'll be able to hit the streets of bangkok again. but i miss it already.

[QUOTE=Betong]I've come to the conclusion that there are a certain percentage of people here who not only don't understand how the market works, but don't want to, preferring to lay down the law as to how we should all behave.

All I can say is that, despite all those dastardly overpayers, I find on average I'm getting the same or maybe even better quality than I was 10 or 20 years ago for about the same price, inflation-adjusted. I've adapted a bit -- more Pattaya, less Bangkok, more Angeles, less Manila -- and I've given up on favorite old playgrounds like Taiwan (which of course got expensive not due to overpaying, but economic development). And every time someone sternly warns me not to spoil the market 'for all of us', I feel an irresistible urge to hand out a big tip.[/QUOTE]

You (and Run Mann) are of course right. And as we all know, it's an entirely futile effort -- witness reality, as you've clearly pointed out. But they'll glance right past reality and die on the sword of their ad hominem, and continue to clutter up the boards and disparage people. One ultimately has to wonder about the real reasons for such posts in the first place, since as you point out they clearly do not have the effect the poster claims he desires.

USEFUL INFO FOR OTHERS (would like to add something that might help, in accordance with the point of the forum): One of the things I personally really like about cheap markets with a ton of cheap Charlies (like Thailand and Philippines) is that the girls really appreciate guys who aren't cheap and give fantastic service (at time) in response - and it's easier to attract them. I've written before about the benefits of service and reliability and quality of girl I've gotten at the very marginal cost of a 500 baht or 1000 baht time from time to time. Contrast this to the people who sponsor girls for 20,000+ baht per month, or the Japanese who pay 5000 (555), etc etc etc., none of which have "ruined the market" of course (just developed markets for those things, aka Thermae, G-clubs, etc), and the so-called "overpaying" and "unnecessary tips" is not only a worthwhile bargain, it's a STEAL.

So my "tip" to the board in general is that if you are uncomfortable with negotiating, instead, cast off your worries about a few meaningless dollars, negotiate a little if you like, and then tip well (waitresses, mamas, girls, everyone) - and/or offer extra money for extra services (photos, movies, rimming, CIM, COF, anal, whatever). Works like a charm for me, and doesn't break my mood either. This will undoubtedly lead to some waste of money from time to time and the occasional girl taking you for a sucker, but in the long haul you'll get more crazy-good experiences, at least IMHO.

And if you are one who wants to negotiate and play the game that way, more power to you! No one berates you for that, and likewise you should not expect, and especially not demand, that all people play according to your "rules." Peace.

Ok, off to give some big tips. Cheers! :)

-B-

[QUOTE=Rocksoff]When I was there, once, it was one of the Patpong upstairs scam bars. Sit for 5 minutes, get a bill for 3000 baht. From outside it looks like it's had a makeover.[/QUOTE]

That was pretty much my experience (though in fairness I sat for 2+ hours and the bill was only 2500 or so). The girl whom I was with said there is no take out there, but they did have mama's. I wondered why have mama's if no take out? ...and suspected she was maneuvering some kind of longer-term play.

There were certainly some better looking girls there, but if just buying drinks and playing pool then it's sort of a poor man's G-club...?

Anyone else know about this place? Just curious.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Well, I am a brownie too, but I have to say the whole racial stigma thing is more what you make of it yourself. Thai girls think I am Indian, Italian, Spanish, Australian (maybe in a Tim Cahill kind of way), South American, sometimes Arab, sometimes Turkish, etc. The ones who have something against such people stay away from me, but for every one that discriminates against brownies like me, there is usually one who discriminates against whities. Believe it or not, there are plenty of girls who will never go with a Japanese guy, although you would never know it from reading this forum. I had a superb experience with a girl in June (who I affectionately referred to in my reports as Bazooms) who had a fetish for all things Indian. She watched Indian movies every night, rented from one of two locations in BKK that stock new Bollywood productions. She sang Indian songs while she showered, she adored my black hair and 'tanned' skin. My point: don't let your ethnicity hold you back - Thailand is good to all. If you think Thai people are any more racist than other people on Earth, then, as my 3 year old niece says to me, "You kwaaazy."

I think RCA is great for a fun night out, but it sucks as a mongering location. I posted a report a while ago in which I give you my detailed thoughts on the place:
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As an aside, when I've been to RCA, I have often seen some Indian-type guys floating around. I think these are the local Indians, i.e., they speak Thai. But I don't know that for a fact.

You can get whatever the fuck you want in BKK. Light skinned, dark skinned, skinny, fatty, tall, small, young, old, vaginaed, penised, skanky, sexy, whatever. If you have the patience, the demeanor, and the occasional dollar, whatever one's heart (or penis) desires is there for the taking. I've picked up some super sexy, light-skinned girls from nightclubs in BKK. All you have to do is be patient, dress well, groom better, smell even better, smile, and be a cool dude. I'm sure that's you to the dot, mm?[/QUOTE]

Thanks again for the info. It will help me plan better . I plan to hit RCA once, being seeing lots of youtube videos for over an year, Just want to see how regular girls enjoy in BKK. Thanks again

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]I speak for many here that this topic is hackneyed, beaten up, and gets WAY too much focus to extremely little useful end on ISG. While there is a LOT of useful info on pricing and negotiation tips, these "you paid to much and have ruined the market" diatribes are summarily just griping. There are many of us that wish Jackson would just move all such posts into another thread; I suggest it be entitled, "Whining about Prices."

Anyway, I'm not going to follow this discussion any further than the comment (/corrections) that I will make below.

One may tip as one wishes - better said people WILL tip as they wish regardless of what YOU wish or decry - and despite others' views about what is "overpaying" (one word), the reality is the nature of such markets is always to have varying price points and are NOT set by YOU but rather by the entire market. If you and people only exactly like you existed, the market would not. In fact, tips also create the illusion (and in many cases the reality) of prospect for the girls, which draws more to the market. And the market, especially one as large as this one, develops around the different price points -- always has and always will, provided outside factors such as LE don't interfere. Pricing is NOT an outside factor but an intrinsic one.



Assuming by "precedent" you mean affecting the market and not the consciousness of the "rest of us": no, it does not. Also, negotiation, or lack thereof, is each person's own prerogative, and regardless of how much you cry about it that REALITY is NEVER going to change. If you can't accept this then don't play the game....and stop wasting forum space bitching about it.



That is an extremely myopic and erroneous perspective. The list of confounding factors is long, but I'll point out just a few: Inflation, Expansion, Relocation, Development, Segregation, Legal/Regulatory, and perhaps also your age itself (it makes sense that an older monger would have to pay more for the same quality as he did when he was 39 years younger, inflation adjusted).




That is patently untrue, officious, and neurotically paranoid. There are still TONS of places to monger cheaply. Some have relocated, some are in the same places as always. Some former cheap places now have better quality and are more expensive. Some entirely new places have popped up. And you can still get laid with ease for 500 baht (or less) on beach road in Pattaya, or a lot less in Angeles City, Cambodia, Laos, some places in Southern China, and many others. For that matter, Bangkok is still very cheap in many places. There are also expensive options (thankfully). You probably aren't going to get G-club girls for 500 baht. In the same way as you could buy an apartment in some locations of the city for $10,000 and in other places for $20 million, there are different prices for different budgets. And if someone wants to pay $20 million for a $10,000 apartment, it is not gonna "ruin the market." Ultimately, if everyone started doing that, then that would no longer be considered overpaying, because that would actually BE the market.

Meanwhile, I've said this before -- if overpaying ruined the market, as you say, then it would actually be incentive for people with more money to intentionally overpay and thus get rid of the competition (i.e. you) and keep the better girls for themselves, and your whining about it would be nothing more than tolling of a bell to remind and encourage people to do just that. But that's simply not at all how the market works. Just as it would be pointless to try to do that, it's pointless to try to get people to "hold the market down," or even think that such a strategy would actually work for anything other than a tiny fraction of the market and/or for a very short time. Google Nick Leeson if you want a real life example.

Anyway, my point is this: Read up on prices as you wish, and monger as YOU wish. This whole world, especially here in Thailand, is a giant fantasy. Enjoy it as you wish. Up to you. But don't be a hater, or if you are, keep it to yourself.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for summarising so well what many of us, who are sick and tired to read those absurd rants about prices, think.

Bonzo1

I firmly believe it will over paying does have negative affects. The girl that just shafted a monger on price will undoubtedly share her exploits with all her w.hore friends who will attempt the same.

Plenty of places to monger with value?

Try to find white meat for a decent price. What was once $75 a night in Moscow a 5 short years ago is now $300-1,000 or more. Prague and Amsterdam are also great examples.

Although we are literally on the same page we are certainly not in agreement pricing/overpaying.

My feel is mongers should RTFF and study up on pricing, then negotiate.

My .02

Guido88

Sorry guys, but my problem is I don't like negotiating, if I am quoted a price I do not like then I just say no thank you and move on; I am not sure where and what financial situations everyone is from but for me personally negotiating a few hundred baht is not worth my discomfort, I have tried 3 times to negotiate pricing in Thailand, they all ended in no sale, and in all 3 situations I was trying to negotiate not because of pricing but I was doing so for the sake of negotiating, all 3 times I felt uncomfortable and all 3 times I felt like gah that was stupid and a waste of time. Hence, now I do not negotiate, and I am not saying you guys are wrong or anything but for me its not something I want to do and I do not believe it is worth it for me, I am here on vacation and I am here to have fun.

As far as why I paid going price AND tip? Well the going price was what I agreed to pay, the tip? That was for what I considered good to great service, yes I might be overpaying and yes I might be messing up the market for some people but I'm looking at it from the law of averages, theres going to be cheap charlies out there who pay way less and who try to cheat the ladies, so I'm on the other end, I would guess most of you guys fall in the middle so it all averages out, I guess to humor you guys when I go out tomorrow I will try to negotiate ONCE, I'll let you guys know how it goes.

i'm headed to bangkok for my first time in december and unfortunately i'm taking my fiance since it's kinda on the way back to her home in vietnam. she'll be shopping for the most part, so i'm planning on getting some personal time away to enjoy the scenery. thanks for the reports you provided, this should give me some better understanding of what i need to be shelling out and where i should head to. i'll be sure to report my findings once i'm done.

happy mongering.

[quote=sleepy head]hello, friends:

this is my first report on this forum. been lurking around here for a while, learning from you guys prior to my first trip to bangkok. well, i finally made my trip last week! 4 nights in bangkok, staying at a hotel in nana, near n. e. p.

1st night: massage parlor, 400baht + 1000baht = 1400baht

arrived into bkk close to midnight. by the time i got to my hotel, it was nearly 2:00am! i spotted n. e. p and the bars were still somewhat open, but i was too tired for the bar scene. instead, after checking into the hotel, i went to a massage parlor (naree massage) nearby, these guys close at 3am (although their sign outside says 24h). opted for a 1hr oil massage with nice, slim lady in her mid-30s (my guess) for 400 baht. she took me upstairs into a dimly lit room. the room was clean and cool. she gave me a towel and asked me to shower while she prepared the room: turned on music, blasted the a/c, etc. the massage was decent and after flipping me over at the 30 min mark, asked me if i wanted to massage the baby. i asked her if she offered full service, and she laughed (as if i had to ask.). she asked for 1500, but i countered with 1000 baht, saying that that's all i had. and that it was my first night in bangkok! she laughed, and said ok. so she went to work, massaging balls and baby, then gave me a cbj. i was tired as hell from the long flight, but she made me hard in no time. hopped on and hell, i almost came instantly because her pussy was so tight! my first thai pussy and i was overwhelmed by it. i felt like i was in heaven. it was a great first experience.

day 2: cupidy soapy, 2500baht

for my 2nd night, i decided to go to a soapy and so chose to go to cupidy, on the 'basement' floor of the plaza entertainment complex. i was pleasantly surprised by the number of girls available, though only 12 behind the glass (at 2000 baht) and about 25 on the sideline (at 2500 baht). the sideline girls are generally little prettier, though not all sideliners are prettier than all those behind the glass. i took a while to pick, had a drink (shit, at 140 baht) and eventually settled on a sideliner with big boobies. i paid up at the front desk, then followed the girl up. the room pretty decent; had a round bed and a big oval tub. she started filling the tub with water, but then went out and missing for the next few mins, which annoyed me. when she finally came back, we undressed and i got into the tub. her boobies were round and full, but to my disappointment, also full of silicone. anyway, she bathed me and then did the body slippin'n'sliding soapy on the air mattress. my gosh, it was quite an experience and i was so aroused before i could even flip over! so i stopped her short of her routine and told her i'd like to move on to the bed. we cleaned up and got to bed. she massaged my back and legs and when i flipped over, she gave me a cbj, and then we did our thing. i moved around in a couple positions but blew my load rather quickly. i thought i could get a bit of rest and then go for round two since the session was supposed to be 2 hours. so after my first round, she sat behind me and massaged my head while i lied down. then her phone rang. and she started yapping on it. for like 15 mins. i was very annoyed and told her that i'd prefer her not talking while in session, to which she replied "i talk all the time. " so shortly after that, she got up and said we're done. i'm like "wtf?, it's not even 1. 5hr yet. " but she was clearly not interested and got dressed; so i did too. and then, she asked me for 50baht to pay for the cleaning lady; and i'm like "pppft. uh-huh. " back downstairs, i told the papa-san about my aweful girl, talking on the phone and finishing 30 mins before the 2hr session. he apologized and was surprised to hear about her yapping on the phone.

day 3: nataree soapy, 2000baht + 400baht = 2400baht

on my 3rd day, i checked out the gogo bars at n. e. p. in each bar, there were about 4-6 girls on the stage, not that many. i spotted one that was really cute at rainbow. the bar fine was 600baht and 2000baht for the girl. and 400baht if i wanted to use their room upstairs. holy shit, 3000baht, i thought "hell no! ". so i left and decided to go to another soapy, this time to nataree. i took the mrt and got off at huai kwang station. nataree was just a half block walk down (exit 3, i think). it's a building with 3 separate entrances and 3 separate establishments! i didn't know and walked into the left-most one first. turns out it's not nataree (the name escapes me), but it was a tiny little place with like 8 girls behind a glass. after a couple mins, i walked out. went into the center door this time, and again, it's not nataree, but this one had 12 girls. i walked out again and finally, behind the 3rd door was nataree. nataree had a lot of girls (40+), mostly on the sideline. but this time, i knew better. i picked a girl from the glass for 2000baht. she was 24yrs old, from bangkok, and had pearly white skin; i was in love. the experience was much much better with the girl at nataree. the room, however, was pretty shitty. the carpet is old, wet, and stinky. the bed was small and the bedding was dingy. but nonetheless, my overall experience (with the girl being center) was very good. we did the bathe/air mattress routine and then down to business in bed. i asked this girl if i could do multiple pops and she said yes, but asked for a tip. and i thought, "fine, if you perform well. " she turned out to be very accomodating, though she didn't do bbbj when i asked for a bj. then we did missionary as i loved her soft skin rubbing against mine. after my first load, we washed off and went back to bed. she gave me a massage and we chatted for a while; she gave me tips on where to go for dinner. after a while, i asked her to lie down and i gave her a massage (well, sort of). i aroused her a bit, and went daty on her, which she accepted with much pleasure. i normally don't go daty but this girl was so fine, i was aroused to do it. afterwards, she returned the favor and gave me a bbbj. we then did our 2nd round and i really think she enjoyed the session as much as i did; she was moaning and groaning and i think she came like twice. when we were all done, it was a little bit past the 2hr session. i was very pleased with this girl and tipped her 400baht.

night 3: massage room, 1100baht

after dinner and too many beers that evening, i was on sukhumvit 4, on my way back to my hotel. i was stopped by two girls sitting on chairs on a side street asking me to get a massage. i was buzzed and thought, heck, a massage would do me good to sober up. i opted for the 400baht 1-hr oil massage. the place was dark, without any private rooms, just drapes falling down and dividing up the space. the lady leading me to my space was rather unattractive and i tought "damn, this is going to ruin my massage. " she told me to undress and lie down and then closed the curtains. i thought about just walking out at this point, but for some reason, didn't. before i knew it, i was naked, lying down, and with a small towel over my lower half. i think i kind of dozed off and was awakened by a sweet-sounding voice of a young girl. i turned around to see (in the dark light) a surprisingly cute young girl. ahh, i was pleased, to say the least. she had slim, long fingers with thin arms. but was pretty strong and gave me a good massage. when i flipped over, i was again, dozing off. she continued the massage, but wanted to massage my baby. she tapped my thigh, and hand-signaled "500 baht for handjob. " i didn't wanted a handjob. i signaled back "600 for bbbj" she wanted 1000, and cbj. no deal from me, and i went back to sleep. by now, there was an aussie in a stall next to me. after about 15 mins, the aussie was done. i was like, "holy cow, that was quick. " and my girl giggled and sign-languaged to me the guy probably just came, got a hj, and left. she was back at the bargaining table. once again, signaled "500 for hj, 1000 for cbj" but this time added "topless". so i guess i could play with her boobies while she does the cbj. i still didn't bite. i countered with "700 bbbj, no cim", to which she reluctantly agreed. so she went to work with the bbbj. she was doing good and i was enjoying it very much. but since i just did two pops earlier in the evening, i was taking a while to come. after 15 mins, the girl was still working on my stick and intermittently tried to jerk me off since she was getting tired. i felt for her as i would have taken her another 20 mins of sucking to get me to come, i decided to let her jerk me off, which we was skillfully able to do. i paid her 1100baht and asked her to pay the 400 to the house for the massage. what a good day it has been.

4th night: freelancer, 1500baht

on my last night in bangkok, i hit the gogo bars again but didn't find anything special. i don't think gogo bars is my thing. the girls are a bit snobby and i wasn't very fond of paying the bar fee on top of the payment to the girl (2000+ baht). as i exited nep and walked down suk4, i saw a beautiful girl (5'4", slim, with very pretty and clean face and not much makeup at all) sitting at a table at one of those night-eatery stalls. i've eaten at this stall on my 2nd night so i kind of know the girl selling beer there. i asked the beer girl, "is this your friend? " and she said "yes! you like? " i smiled and sat down with the girl. i asked the lady if she wanted a beer, but she apparently didn't hear/understand me. so i told the beer girl to ask the lady if i could buy her a beer. she did the translation for me and my girl gave me a smile and so i got two beers. we did some chit-chat. i finally asked if she was going somewhere and she said no and that she's waiting for a friend. i then asked her if she wanted to go somewhere (my hotel) with me and gave her a wink. i think that clearly signaled to her my intentions so she asked me straight out if i wanted st or lt. i just wanted st since i had a morning flight the following day. she told me 1500baht for st. i told her that all those ladies standing around across the street from where we sat would take 1000baht. to which she replied, "yes. but i have something they don't. " i didn't ask her what that was, but to me, hell yeah, she was different. she talked in a slow, precise manner and she definitely had a graceful aura around her; she didn't seem desparate at all. after that reply, i was head-over-heels for her and told her "yes, i will pay you 1500. " so we walked to my hotel, she dropped her id off at the front desk (without asking), and we went upstairs. she quickly showered and then i did. we were then in bed together. she turned out to be slimmer than first appeared. but her body was beautiful. i let her lie down while i slowly examined her body with my fingers. it tickled her, but she just slightly twitched and moaned. her boobies were not big, but a nice b cup with big nipples. i gave her daty (again, couldn't resist the flesh) and was returned with a very good bbbj. we then did our thing in several positions, covered of course. at the end, i gave her the 1500baht and saw her off. gosh, i so loved the girl. and in retrospect, i should have screwed the flight and done lt with her! it's not often you meet a girl like that, sigh.

conclusion and lessons-learned:

i only had 4 nights in bangkok so as a newbie decided to try out various venues for sex. bangkok's famous soapies are a must-try and must be experienced! although i learned that:

1) sideliner girls at soapies (for extra $$$) are imho not worth it!

2) better place doesn't mean better girls.

3) i could have skipped the drinks.

4) better talk to the girl up front about multiple pops or she might just walk out on you!

the massage parlors are nice and offer good massages. any kind of additional service is always available.

my best experience in bangkok turned out to be with a freelancer on my last night! i hadn't expected to pick up sw during my trip, but it just happened. i realized that sw are not necessarily all desparate p are o s t i t you t e s, and that you may find a diamond in the rough. for instance, the beautiful girl i met, she has a day job at a bank; and she only comes out to nana once in a while. i believe her because after 3 nights that i was walking up and down suk4, i have started to see some familiar faces; but not hers.

i don't know when i'll be able to hit the streets of bangkok again. but i miss it already.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Sleepy Head]This is my first report on this forum. Been lurking around here for a while, learning from you guys prior to my first trip to Bangkok. Well, I finally made my trip last week! 4 nights in Bangkok, staying at a hotel in Nana, near N. E. P...
My best experience in Bangkok turned out to be with a freelancer on my last night! I hadn't expected to pick up SW during my trip, but it just happened.[/QUOTE]Well done sir - nice report. FL are often hit and miss, but when you find a beauty, the fact that you picked her up "by chance" kind of adds to the thrill. Makes you feel especially lucky. Nice report, I hope you return to LOS and submit more similar reports.

[QUOTE=Timmylamb]paid asking price of 2500bht st[/QUOTE]Really, to each his own

But just so you know

No white man (unless he is somehow physically deformed or over, say, 125 kilos) need pay more than 2, 000 ST to ANY go go dancer.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]-Climax is the Usual Suspect, Soi 11, Ambassador Hotel, as others have mentioned.

PM me if you have any questions, and I look forward to your report(s).[/QUOTE]

Kumbu, your post filled with awesome tips on regular clubs is golden and I have saved it for when I get to BKK in 2 months time, I"ll make good use of it. If you're still in town at the time, I'd be more than happy to buy you a few drinks to pick your brains while partying.

Thanks again for your awesome contribution.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Timmylamb]Sorry guys, but my problem is I don't like negotiating, if I am quoted a price I do not like then I just say no thank you and move on; I am not sure where and what financial situations everyone is from but for me personally negotiating a few hundred baht is not worth my discomfort, I have tried 3 times to negotiate pricing in Thailand, they all ended in no sale, and in all 3 situations I was trying to negotiate not because of pricing but I was doing so for the sake of negotiating, all 3 times I felt uncomfortable and all 3 times I felt like gah that was stupid and a waste of time. Hence, now I do not negotiate, and I am not saying you guys are wrong or anything but for me its not something I want to do and I do not believe it is worth it for me, I am here on vacation and I am here to have fun.

As far as why I paid going price AND tip? Well the going price was what I agreed to pay, the tip? That was for what I considered good to great service, yes I might be overpaying and yes I might be messing up the market for some people but I'm looking at it from the law of averages, theres going to be cheap charlies out there who pay way less and who try to cheat the ladies, so I'm on the other end, I would guess most of you guys fall in the middle so it all averages out, I guess to humor you guys when I go out tomorrow I will try to negotiate ONCE, I'll let you guys know how it goes.[/QUOTE]

That's often been my experience of negotiating too. I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)

Enjoy yourself man. And don't even think twice about your behavior re: pricing and tips. If anything, be a little looser with your wallet if you please and if you think it will bring you more enjoyment. As I mentioned, it always does for me.

In the meantime, keep posting your experiences. That is actually what has value to others (and is actually the point of this forum...duh.)

Cheers,

-B-

Thanks for the kind words.[QUOTE=Sprite13]If you're still in town at the time, I'd be more than happy to buy you a few drinks to pick your brains while partying.[/QUOTE]How could I pass on that? Sadly, it looks like we will miss each other. I'm planning something for mid September, although nothing is firm yet (except the raging erection at the thought of all the debauchery I will have).

I was wondering if there are any places in BKK that have model-type girls available. I suppose I've been spending lots of time with thai (kind of) family and have picked up on their tastes in women: fair skinned, long-limbed model types.

In the Chonburi area they tell me of two places the thai guys go to: Happy World and Galaxy. I haven't been there but maybe someone can describe what those places are like? And do they have anything similaer in BKK (pick a girl, spend an hour or more with her, all in one building)

I'm also interested in the questions you posed since I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in November. I did a Google search on Galaxy and found some info, however disappointing. I'll leave it to the regular Bangkok board members to verify whether this is accurate, but the following comes from the singeltravel website:

"A Recent Report on Dinning at the Galaxy

... And for dinner I go to the Galaxy No Hands restaurant on Rama IV. The experience is very disappointing.

Contrary to what I'd heard, the eroticism was only the most subtle, was way overpriced, and in general not worth it at all except for the Japanese and Hong Kong businessmen with money to burn that the place seems designed to cater to.

I was led into a private room, took off my shoes and sat on cushions before a sunken table. A very old waiter took my order, a three course chinese meal and a couple of 20 oz bottles of Singha. I then was taken to an outer area where I chose a girl to feed me.

I picked an Isaan girl of 28 with a ready smile dressed in a light orange business suit. We went back to the room and talked some until the order came. And when it did, she simply proceeded to feed me, spooning me mouthfuls of fried rice, chicken with cashews, and prawns, interrupted by the occasional sip of beer. After a while, with my encouragement, she joined me. My hands were mostly at my sides but occasionally rested on her thighs or breasts. She remained fully dressed the whole time, not "scantily clad" as I heard.

It was a pleasant enough time but in no way worth the 1200 baht for the meal plus a 500 baht tip for the mamasan and another 500 for the others. And if you wanted a *one* hour massage from the girl afterwards, the price was 2200 baht plus 400 for the room which was in a cheap hotel you had to walk outside down an alleyway to get to. All this included a 10% added charge for paying by credit card since I never carry that much cash around Bangkok. The bath, massage and fuck were passable but half as long as they should've have been. Had I known I was going to be shelling out nearly 200 US dollars for something this underwelming, vis a vis its reputation, I never would have gone in.

It was about midnight when I left, feeling cheated, and took a taxi back to Sukhumvit to find a bedmate at Thermae for my last night in Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Bolthead]I was wondering if there are any places in BKK that have model-type girls available. I suppose I've been spending lots of time with thai (kind of) family and have picked up on their tastes in women: fair skinned, long-limbed model types."

In the Chonburi area they tell me of two places the thai guys go to: Happy World and Galaxy. I haven't been there but maybe someone can describe what those places are like? And do they have anything similaer in BKK (pick a girl, spend an hour or more with her, all in one building)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]That's often been my experience of negotiating too. I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)

Enjoy yourself man. And don't even think twice about your behavior re: pricing and tips. If anything, be a little looser with your wallet if you please and if you think it will bring you more enjoyment. As I mentioned, it always does for me.

In the meantime, keep posting your experiences. That is actually what has value to others (and is actually the point of this forum...duh.)

Cheers,

-B-[/QUOTE]Thanks Bonzo1, appreciate the support, but here's the report from tonight, went to nana rainbow 4, quite a few decent looking ladies nothing in the 9 or 10 range but some pretty ladies, they ranged in age and looks, a couple of nuggy ladies a couple of thin ladies, a couple way over the hill ladies and a couple of barely legal ladies, first lady that approached me I bought her a lady drink quoted 600bht bar fine, 2k short time, tried to negotiate 1500bht short time, she looked at me like I was asking for anal with her mom and sister at the same time LOL, ya it was a tad bit uncomfortable so after a bit she went to dance and I got approached by another chick with her friend, was tempted on the double but decided not to, I asked her how much short time she said 2k, ya not to screw myself on a chick I liked I said sure, so bar fine 600bht short time 2k, tipped 300bht I would have tipped more but LOL spent the rest drinking and stuff.

So basically for any noobies out there 2k baht is retail price for short time pretty much at soi cowboy and nana go go bars, if you got skills you can maybe get 1k or 1500bht, I have no skills I pay 2k LOL, I was at nana liquid disco and was quoted 2k for short time as well by 2 girls so take it for what its worth.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Thanks for the kind words.How could I pass on that? Sadly, it looks like we will miss each other. I'm planning something for mid September, although nothing is firm yet (except the raging erection at the thought of all the debauchery I will have).[/QUOTE]

I'll be in BKK till mid Feb 2011. If you're in town anytime during that time, my offer will still be good. I've been reading your fantastic reports and I've got to admit that reading your reports have been the little push I needed to finally make it to Thailand. My favorite playground is Brasil as I love those bundas on them Brasileiras, but I'm curious to see what Thailand has to offer. So it's only normal and the least I can do to thank you my friend.
Can't wait till I get there!

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]That's often been my experience of negotiating too. I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)

-B-[/QUOTE]It's an interesting topic. Basically, I agree. I am very happy to negotiate with taxi drivers, stall holders, etc who will provide me the same goods or service regardless of the price I pay, but I usually don't like to negotiate with P4P providers, because 'screwing' a low price out of a girl can lead to a very poor service. Unlike taxi drivers and stall holders, she is in charge of the quality (and quantity) of service she provides. If she has an expectation of receiving one price, but gets beaten down to a lower price, she can easily retailate by matching the service delivery to her perception of the price paid.

At the same time, I don't want to pay way 'over the odds', so if I price offered doesn't seem reasonable I prefer to pass by waling away rather than to negotiate. Still, I guess walking away really is negotiating isn't it?

Of course, if she's just 'trying it on' and has no real expectation of receiving her high price, then walking away will quickly bring her to offering her services for a realistic price. Knowing the difference between a girl who is just trying it on an on who really expects to be paid a higher than market price is the challenge.

Luckily, it's all great fun! Enjoy.

Cheers,

B

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[quote=tymal973]last year,

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awaiting punters answers.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=B9999]It's an interesting topic. Basically, I agree. I am very happy to negotiate with taxi drivers, stall holders, etc who will provide me the same goods or service regardless of the price I pay, but I usually don't like to negotiate with P4P providers, because 'screwing' a low price out of a girl can lead to a very poor service. Unlike taxi drivers and stall holders, she is in charge of the quality (and quantity) of service she provides. If she has an expectation of receiving one price, but gets beaten down to a lower price, she can easily retailate by matching the service delivery to her perception of the price paid.
At the same time, I don't want to pay way 'over the odds', so if I price offered doesn't seem reasonable I prefer to pass by waling away rather than to negotiate. Still, I guess walking away really is negotiating isn't it?
Of course, if she's just 'trying it on' and has no real expectation of receiving her high price, then walking away will quickly bring her to offering her services for a realistic price. Knowing the difference between a girl who is just trying it on an on who really expects to be paid a higher than market price is the challenge.
Luckily, it's all great fun! Enjoy.
Cheers,
B[/QUOTE]

I fully agreed. Walking away is the best negotiation. Hard negotiation will mainly deal to poor service (sort of punishment) but still the girl extracting money out of your pockets.
She goes after the money, so if she fails to get a 1000, she might accept 500, but ultimately she wins with poor service
And will still get some money, without wearing her sexual tools much (with poor service)
If she insist and one walk away she is left empty handed and will satrt to think, after few times, she better review her paramenter, most likely without affecting her service quality.
Necause she will understand that that is the price and still she has to provide the service or she will loose again.

Too hard negotiation will often results in upset girls still being able to grab some money.
So better walkaway, left her upset, but with the time to think why she is rejected.
On the rest, I agree too. If the requested price is outrageously high, drop her. But it is not a few bucks that will change our life.
I had a lovely girl, taken for the second time, and willing to spend LT with me, bothering for half an hour on whether I paid 2 or 300Baht for barfine as she was getting 100baht out of the 300 (but none if bf was 200)
I said: I paid what I have been asked for, I did not negotiated a penny on bf, sort it out with the bar, not my issue, but stop messing with me for 100 baht as I paid bf, period. She was great in bed, she even bought sexy lingerie after the first encounter and brought it along for the second night, as she wanted to be kinky.
So, she even spent money to please, but was obsessed by those 100b!

[QUOTE=Guido88]
I firmly believe it will over paying does have negative affects.
[/QUOTE]

If you're worried about driving up the price, you should worry about price creep, not the occasional big spender.

The occasional big spender actually helps the market by perpetuating the big spender myth. The dream of striking it rich draws more participants into the pool.

This is the psychological principal of intermittent reward, well known to the operators of gambling establishments. Its addicts include not just gamblers but anyone in a strike-it-rich profession: waitresses and Bangkok P4P girls included.

The real danger is price creep. The price is 1000. Then it's 1500. Then it's 2000. Then it's 2500. Pretty soon it's out of control.

I would differentiate between the case of the girl clearly overpricing (and perfectly knowing that she is overpricing= she thinks youre a sucker) and the other cases (the girl presents the high ceiling price)
In the first case I always walk away. If the girl thinks you are a sucker by quoting an outrageous high price, she will probably not provide a good service at any price.
In the second case, i.e. girl quoting 2000 ST at a NEP GoGo, they all do that and may (or may not) go for 1500 ST, it's worth trying negotiating.

PS Quoting 2000 ST at Nana Liquid seems to me closer to case 1 than case 2

[QUOTE=B9999]I usually don't like to negotiate with P4P providers, because 'screwing' a low price out of a girl can lead to a very poor service. Unlike taxi drivers and stall holders, she is in charge of the quality (and quantity) of service she provides. If she has an expectation of receiving one price, but gets beaten down to a lower price, she can easily retailate by matching the service delivery to her perception of the price paid.[/QUOTE]Seems like you guys are going off in the wrong direction from the start by erroneously working with the presumption that a girl who has a high price = a girl who offers high quality service. Yet and still, we get into the subjectivity of what "high quality service" is. While she may believe in her heart of hearts that she is providing said high quality service, to you, me, or the next monger the same service might be considered shitty at best; and vice-versa.

Each monger and each service provider has their own general price range. I would not be in a certain venue where I knew the girls typically went for 2000 baht trying to talk them down to 1000 baht. I would just go to the venues where the girls were known to be in my 1000 baht price range. Now if they were purposely trying to get me for over the average price then as El Frances said, she either thinks I am a sucker or she does not want to go with me. In either instance thank the king that there is enough of every type sp and monger to go around.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Seems like you guys are going off in the wrong direction from the start by erroneously working with the presumption that a girl who has a high price = a girl who offers high quality service. Yet and still, we get into the subjectivity of what "high quality service" is. While she may believe in her heart of hearts that she is providing said high quality service, to you, me, or the next monger the same service might be considered shitty at best; and vice-versa. Each monger and each service provider has their own general price range. I would not be in a certain venue where I knew the girls typically went for 2000 baht trying to talk them down to 1000 baht. I would just go to the venues where the girls were known to be in my 1000 baht price range. Now if they were purposely trying to get me for over the average price then as El Frances said, she either thinks I am a sucker or she does not want to go with me. In either instance thank the king that there is enough of every type sp and monger to go around.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational,

I totally agree with you the hot one is just eyes candy, the one that you pick up at the high end hotel club are lazy and offer average service, they don't try to offer good service, for good service go to massage place like tulip they work on tip offer you the best service but not much to look at.

Fast Eddie 48

Hi fellow mongers,

I am on short notice in BKK for about 4 days, I have been here in BKK now about 6 x and know most of the places except 1 that I missed in my previous visits and would love to visit this place. It has been mentioned her in the forum, but since I have short time and some friend is with me I can read throughout the forum.

The place I am searching for and that was mentioned here is a place where I pay a fixed price for 2 girls. Once side of the place offers girls who do anal the other side are normal girls. It is supposed to be run by a french guy and it was described here in the forum as the place where my dreams will come through.

I know this explanation is very vague, but I just can't remember any other detailes but that they will offer anything I would ask for, with 2 girls at a fixed price.

Any help is appreciated.

Regards,

Easyease

[quote=tymal973]last year,

i went few times in a place located in sukumvit called "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]" and specialized also in blow job services. it was really great with diferents profile of girls and i would like to have more information about if others bars like this exists in bangkok?

awaiting punters answers.[/quote]

well, here is my answer:
there is only one paramount place: sol in patpong ii.
you will find an excellent technique by experienced girls (one or more), and you will get your "treatment" in a public atmosphere under the direct view of other ladies and customers. very stimulating !
the service of course is bare back; and -if you feel the need- you can immediately switch to full service after getting blown for some time. (also bb is possible).
you can ask for any type of service since nothing is new to the girls.
go there and, please, report to us!
enjoy and give greetings to my favourite place.
fv

I'll cross-post this from the Safe Sex thread, as this will be useful to people freshly arriving in Bangkok.

On my very first time with a prostitute, I had condoms break on me THREE times in a row in the span of a few minutes. This was after years of 100% constant condom use (with girlfriends) with no breaking whatsoever. It happened in Nana a few months ago.

How did this happen? Well, in China, where I live, I always buy an orange box of Durex. They are called Durex Together here, they are extra lubricated and of normal thickness.

In Thailand I naturally reached for the exact same box, exact same packaging, also by Durex.

Only after having broken condoms 3 times within 10 mins did I read the fine print. It turns out the orange Durex condoms in Thailand are NOT extra lubricated, AND they are of the extra thin variety (and possibly calibrated smaller too, I'm not sure).

Why Durex packages condoms at opposite ends of the spectrum under the exact same packaging is anyone's guess.

For subsequent sessions, I bought normal condoms and brought my own lubricant and had no further problems.

The lesson: always read the fine print, gentlemen. Always read the fine print.

[QUOTE=Easyease]Hi fellow mongers,

I am on short notice in BKK for about 4 days, I have been here in BKK now about 6 x and know most of the places except 1 that I missed in my previous visits and would love to visit this place. It has been mentioned her in the forum, but since I have short time and some friend is with me I can read throughout the forum.

The place I am searching for and that was mentioned here is a place where I pay a fixed price for 2 girls. Once side of the place offers girls who do anal the other side are normal girls. It is supposed to be run by a french guy and it was described here in the forum as the place where my dreams will come through.

I know this explanation is very vague, but I just can't remember any other detailes but that they will offer anything I would ask for, with 2 girls at a fixed price.

Any help is appreciated.

Regards,

Easyease[/QUOTE]



Eden Club on Soi 7/1

[url]http://www.bkk-gui.de/ede_eng_t.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Timmylamb]Thanks Bonzo1, appreciate the support, but here's the report from tonight, went to nana rainbow 4, quite a few decent looking ladies nothing in the 9 or 10 range but some pretty ladies, they ranged in age and looks, a couple of nuggy ladies a couple of thin ladies, a couple way over the hill ladies and a couple of barely legal ladies, first lady that approached me I bought her a lady drink quoted 600bht bar fine, 2k short time, tried to negotiate 1500bht short time, she looked at me like I was asking for anal with her mom and sister at the same time LOL, ya it was a tad bit uncomfortable so after a bit she went to dance and I got approached by another chick with her friend, was tempted on the double but decided not to, I asked her how much short time she said 2k, ya not to screw myself on a chick I liked I said sure, so bar fine 600bht short time 2k, tipped 300bht I would have tipped more but LOL spent the rest drinking and stuff.

So basically for any noobies out there 2k baht is retail price for short time pretty much at soi cowboy and nana go go bars, if you got skills you can maybe get 1k or 1500bht, I have no skills I pay 2k LOL, I was at nana liquid disco and was quoted 2k for short time as well by 2 girls so take it for what its worth.[/QUOTE]

Timmylamb

It's great you are having a good time. Enjoy reading the reports.

My concern is the next 500 + ISG mongers that read it takes 2,000-3,000 baht ST to get laid will use that price point. Next the girls will ask 3,500 then 4,000 things will only go up from that point.

I have watched this occur in several prime mongering locations. 5 years ago pricing was a big discussion on the Moscow board. Now the current discussion is that Moscow is no longer worth a shit for mongering. Much of Moscow's current issues are due current unrealistic pricing.

You will see the same happen in Bangkok as well.

Better approach is paying the normal price then if you feel you got great service tip the girl.

When a monger overpays the girl realizes she has a sucker and begins to play games, short time the service and will generally provide poor service.

Reading your reports I sense you are a monger newbie. Part of ISG is a guide for correct pricing in any locale.... You and Bonzo may not be able to negotiate to save your lives and choose to overpay, that's your choice. When pussy in BKK is 10,000 baht ST please think back on this discussion.

It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market.

I enjoy negotiating. Can't be hurting the girls too badly when they keep coming back multiple times. I always tip the good performers and have had them stay double time or even into the next evening.

Every dollar I save is one less dollar I have to earn AND one more dollar I can spend on women.

Best of luck

Guido88

Yes, I understand what you are saying Guido, and you are right, I am a noobie at this. But, due to lack of skill and probably because I have the word 'sucker' tatooed on my forehead I have not been able to get 1500bht anywhere in BKK. In Pattaya I was quoted that for LT, but thats another story, I have read guys have paid 1500 normally for ST. I would hope anyone else would research and if they do read my post know that I paid asking price, I'm just posting to give people an idea of what to my experiences were. I know alot of postings here have helped me so hopefully what I post will help someone else.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Unless you are Japanese the selection is quit limited. Most of the lookers will literally only talk to Japanese men.

Are gems to be found, but far and few between.

Also, as previously noted, you will see the same gals from Thermae trolling the Nana parking lot.[/QUOTE]

Henryv- I have not had that experience. Maybe 1 out of 3 or 4 will turn her nose up at a western man ;like me, but I have had no problem finding what I wanted at Thermae. I know a lot of guys say this, but maybe it is a matter of taste - which girls one is going for?

[QUOTE=Guido88]Timmylamb

It's great you are having a good time. Enjoy reading the reports.

My concern is the next 500 + ISG mongers that read it takes 2,000-3,000 baht ST to get laid will use that price point. Next the girls will ask 3,500 then 4,000 things will only go up from that point.

I have watched this occur in several prime mongering locations. 5 years ago pricing was a big discussion on the Moscow board. Now the current discussion is that Moscow is no longer worth a shit for mongering. Much of Moscow's current issues are due current unrealistic pricing.

You will see the same happen in Bangkok as well.

Better approach is paying the normal price then if you feel you got great service tip the girl.

When a monger overpays the girl realizes she has a sucker and begins to play games, short time the service and will generally provide poor service.

Reading your reports I sense you are a monger newbie. Part of ISG is a guide for correct pricing in any locale.... You and Bonzo may not be able to negotiate to save your lives and choose to overpay, that's your choice. When pussy in BKK is 10,000 baht ST please think back on this discussion.

It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market.

I enjoy negotiating. Can't be hurting the girls too badly when they keep coming back multiple times. I always tip the good performers and have had them stay double time or even into the next evening.

Every dollar I save is one less dollar I have to earn AND one more dollar I can spend on women.

Best of luck

Guido88[/QUOTE]Hey Guido88,

Don't you feel that Moscow's economic explosion had more to do with the rapidly bloated 'localized' pricing than did visiting mongers overpaying themselves into an upward spiral? Controlling a mass of suddenly rich locals ready to blow their money on ho's every night is impossible. This could happen anywhere though, even Bangkok. (The Thais are bragging their brains out about how much they are paying for everything right now, and making rooster crows over THEIR OWN super hot economy. Never a good sign.)

Thai local mongering venues seem to be holding prices steady at the moment, and the reality is Thai. Thai P4P represents over 90% of the market. (No, we are not talking soapies, oilies or bars, more on that at some point in the future.)

"It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market. " This simple statement is perfection, thank you Guido88.

My own way of negotiating is dependent on the location. At bars I do a drawdown rate of 20%, then normally award the original asking price by way of tip. I keep the original price and the amount of the tip as completely separate entities. If the girl provides an exceptionally fun and sexy experience, I tip very well, but again, I keep the amount of the tip in specific terms. I see discos and late night clubs as an anomaly. I feel that the entire scene is a con, built around what pricepoint the customer will allow himself to be seduced to. I normally get freebies in multiples at discos, but generally I have to admit that probably costs more and again, generally, it isn't very good sex, (chicks very sexy and super hot for about 20 minutes, cum, fall asleep for a couple of hours, then split = Thai style, but I have to blame a good part of this on the amount of alcohol consumed.) I know others that have paid 6, 000 to 8, 000+ Baht at discos without caring a whit. I don't feel that those guys are pushing prices up across the board at all, in their own sphere possibly, yes, but not in general.

Much to say on this subject.

Again, I feel that a raise in pricing is based more on local economy allowances rather than a what a few suckers tell themselves what they can afford compared to their own pricing at home.

Gentlemen,

All these reports about 3000ST, etc. are very, very disturbing. My question is has there really been a permanent price increase for BKK p4p or is this all just some foolish people throwing around crazy money??

Is the normal rate still 1000-1500ST/1500-2000LT in most go-go's, etc??

There also seem to be people here who are trying to "talk up" the rate for p4p in BKK. Almost as if they actually WANT to see the price increase!?? Why are they doing that?? What is their motive?

There is supposedly a major recession in many faranglands; but yet many farangs are throwing more and more baht at these girls when they arrive in LOS. Why?? Where is all this wealth comming from?

[QUOTE=Guido88]Timmylamb

It's great you are having a good time. Enjoy reading the reports.

My concern is the next 500 + ISG mongers that read it takes 2,000-3,000 baht ST to get laid will use that price point. Next the girls will ask 3,500 then 4,000 things will only go up from that point.

I have watched this occur in several prime mongering locations. 5 years ago pricing was a big discussion on the Moscow board. Now the current discussion is that Moscow is no longer worth a shit for mongering. Much of Moscow's current issues are due current unrealistic pricing.

[/QUOTE]
Most thai girls (especially bkk) will always shoot high and unfortunately most guys will pay it. Pussy in bkk has been getting more expensive every year and will continue to do so as long as men continue to pay high prices. My last trip to nana I had a couple of girls quote 2500 ST. I was a bit shocked and insulted!

Most of the girls in Nana will do ST for 1500 and some will go lower. You just have to play a game with them and show them who is boss. The ones who stick to their price are never any good in bed anyway. Use negotiations as a way to build report. Thais are negotiators by nature, so play them at their own game!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Most thai girls (especially bkk) will always shoot high and unfortunately most guys will pay it. Pussy in bkk has been getting more expensive every year and will continue to do so as long as men continue to pay high prices. My last trip to nana I had a couple of girls quote 2500 ST. I was a bit shocked and insulted! Most of the girls in Nana will do ST for 1500 and some will go lower. [/QUOTE]As was the case when I was last in BKK in July of last year. When I b*ched about one girl's pricing in the Nana lot she told me this is Bangkok not Pattaya. Bangkok is more expensive. I told her that was exactly why I was taking my ass to Pattaya tomorrow. Needless to say I only did non-pros in those couple of days. I've been to Pattaya many times since and do not see myself returning to BKK unless I'm with a newbie.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]As was the case when I was last in BKK in July of last year. When I b*ched about one girl's pricing in the Nana lot she told me this is Bangkok not Pattaya. Bangkok is more expensive. I told her that was exactly why I was taking my ass to Pattaya tomorrow. Needless to say I only did non-pros in those couple of days. I've been to Pattaya many times since and do not see myself returning to BKK unless I'm with a newbie.[/QUOTE]

So far my landing point on my way to SEAsia was BKK. I always plan a 3-4 days stay there and my favorites are the soapies and oilies for one or two afternoon/evening sessions and that's it. Tulip, Annies, Chavala and Chaopaya 2 are the "must visit" for me with a couple more places each time for a change. Prices in baht have remained almost the same for the last few years in those establishments.

I prefer to enjoy my bed alone lately in BKK.

[QUOTE=Timmylamb]Yes, I understand what you are saying Guido, and you are right, I am a noobie at this. But, due to lack of skill and probably because I have the word 'sucker' tatooed on my forehead I have not been able to get 1500bht anywhere in BKK. In Pattaya I was quoted that for LT, but thats another story, I have read guys have paid 1500 normally for ST. I would hope anyone else would research and if they do read my post know that I paid asking price, I'm just posting to give people an idea of what to my experiences were. I know alot of postings here have helped me so hopefully what I post will help someone else.[/QUOTE]


Does seem like prices BKK for LT have shot up without me realising. I kicked out a disco girl last night who would not budge from her 3000 baht.... maybe i should have negotiated before to avoid such problems back in the room.

Times have changed... perhaps I'll head off the Pattaya !

Dear Jackson:

On behalf of many of us here who are sick and tired of these forums being littered with pages upon pages of diatribes about "overpaying,” disparaging and admonishing comments to other members, and the futile, delusional belief that ISG members are able to control the market, I would like to make a case for implementing new policy regarding this topic.

A simple skim of the archives (for instance, going back to Bangkok 2002) shows that prices have changed very little since 8 years ago, meanwhile the same beliefs (I stress this word, "beliefs") and reprimands of a few paranoid, antagonistic, self-elected “ruling” members clutter the board, and in some instances hold it hostage, for days or in some cases weeks at a time. This happens month after month, year after year, on every major forum.

It is not necessary, I believe, to repeatedly debate and refute these members’ hypocritical and irrational beliefs about how markets actually function, their role in these markets not as government but as participants, nor the academics of market behavior: they are not open to rational discourse in the first place and clearly are posting their ad hominem and their often dubious anecdotes simply to gripe, monger in fear, prophesize doom, and gain comfort from the company of other believers. This borders on religious evangelization and certainly is not what many of us want to be subjected to or participate in on ISG.

I would like to reference ISG’s policy on “safe sex” as it already responds appropriately to a very similar problem. Here it is verbatim, with one insertion by me in brackets:

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It does no good to criticize members for not following what other members may consider to be safe sex [pricing & payment] practices for the following reasons:

1. It never serves to change any one's behavior.
2. It's a disincentive for members to contribute.
3. It almost always leads to arguments.
4. It provides a "cover" for Serial Antagonists to provoke other members.

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However, since there is also much interest in the subject of pricing in general and since that can have substantial value, I would like to propose the following:

A. Comments in the main forums about pricing be suggestive and informative, but not condemning, disparaging, or authoritative.

B. All debates and officious remarks about what prices “should” be, what people “should” pay, griping about inflation/overpayers/tipping/etc., and otherwise preaching and admonishing behavior of other members, be either a) banned, or b) held in a separate thread.

Respectfully submitted for your consideration.

Bonzo

Bonzo1,

Great suggestion but its unlikely Jackson will see your letter posted here as he does not appear to read these pages with any type of consistency. Suggest you post it in the Letters to the Editor section, under Site Administration on the main page.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Bonzo1,

Great suggestion but its unlikely Jackson will see your letter posted here as he does not appear to read these pages with any type of consistency. Suggest you post it in the Letters to the Editor section, under Site Administration on the main page.[/QUOTE]

thanks. will do.

-B-

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Dear Jackson:

On behalf of many of us here who are sick and tired of these forums being littered with pages upon pages of diatribes about "overpaying,” disparaging and admonishing comments to other members, and the futile, delusional belief that ISG members are able to control the market, I would like to make a case for implementing new policy regarding this topic...[/QUOTE]
Aww, come on, Bonzo … with all due respect and no disparagement intended, don’t you think you’re becoming a bit hysterical over this issue? Now we need official regulations about the discussion of over/under payment opinions? I mean, I agree with you that big spenders don’t affect the market exactly as the cheap Charlie’s complain, but do you really want to stifle their opinions merely because they differ from yours? That’s a little drastic, isn’t it?

Does this mean that if a poster reports that he paid 100 baht to a baht bus driver to go four blocks on Beach Road in Pattaya, the next poster should think twice about telling the guy he overpaid by 90 baht, for fear of getting banned?

Some posters here have actually THANKED other posters for pointing out that they overpaid for this or that service, including sexual services. Such advice, even though it might seem disparaging, can be regarded as a real benefit to the membership. Certainly, we all retain the right to agree or disagree with any opinions expressed by posters and I think it would be wise to keep it that way.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Aww, come on, Bonzo … with all due respect and no disparagement intended, don’t you think you’re becoming a bit hysterical over this issue? Now we need official regulations about the discussion of over/under payment opinions? I mean, I agree with you that big spenders don’t affect the market exactly as the cheap Charlie’s complain, but do you really want to stifle their opinions merely because they differ from yours? That’s a little drastic, isn’t it?

Does this mean that if a poster reports that he paid 100 baht to a baht bus driver to go four blocks on Beach Road in Pattaya, the next poster should think twice about telling the guy he overpaid by 90 baht, for fear of getting banned?

Some posters here have actually THANKED other posters for pointing out that they overpaid for this or that service, including sexual services. Such advice, even though it might seem disparaging, can be regarded as a real benefit to the membership. Certainly, we all retain the right to agree or disagree with any opinions expressed by posters and I think it would be wise to keep it that way.[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, not at all.

1. I'm not talking about a few innocuous comments here and there, or even the helpful advice -- I'm talking about the disparaging, whining, authoritative posts that repeatedly occur not only on the BKK forum but on pretty much every forum. It's a broken record, in more ways that one.

2. Many other members have requested the very same thing, for years, across all forums.

3. See my analogy to the safe sex policies. What you wrote could apply just as easily to that subject, yet there is a policy for it -- for good reason.

4. I am differentiating between comments and useful advice about prices (e.g. your bus example, and your THANKED observation) versus the preachy condemnations and irrational beliefs about "spoiling the market," the latter which are clutter at best, and at worst antagonistic and serve to discourage people from posting their real experiences.

5. The only alternative I suppose would be to consider having the debates, futilely, ad naseum and ad inifinitum. Personally I think 8+ years is more than long enough already, and a simple policy addition (which actually really isn't even an addition since it's part of the ISG rules to not be antagonizing already) could spare us all the clutter and harassment.

I do agree that there's a bit of a fine line and perhaps would be a bit hard to really enforce, but anything to discourage it would be beneficial, I think.

All the best,

-B-

Pretty fun place. I was surprised, by comparison to my former visits there years before when it was Nana Disco or something like that, by the quality of lookers there (perhaps just my limited experience).

Took home two on separate nights. First was a dud with huge stretch marks. Actually it wasn't entirely her bad as I was pretty drunk, but we just weren't clicking. Second was a great gal, though not really one of the stunners to be frank - I chose her primarily because I enjoyed her company, which is what I wanted that night.

Neither ever mentioned price. I gave the first 500 to leave, i.e. we fooled around a bit but never had sex (in retrospect that was a bit cheap of me since she did try, but also I pulled her quite late and she probably wouldn't have gotten any other business anyway, I suppose,) and the second I gave 2000 for ST plus 100 cab fare. The first was not too happy but didn't make a huge fuss, and the second thanked me profusely.

Overall I think it is a good late night option, especially for those staying in the lower Suk area. My guess, and it's purely a guess, is that prices would range from 1000 to 3000, ST or LT, depending on the girl and the time of night, though I imagine there is better info on that elsewhere here (I haven't looked.)

-B-

The two nights I went to each place they were jammed (random selection of nights, some weekend and some Monday, Sunday, etc.) Climax seems to get busy after midnight or so, whereas Bossy really starts to pick up around 3am...though not exactly quiet at 1:30am. Had a blast every time in both places, though at times it was so jammed that it was a bit hard to move around.

The 4 girls from these places (only one discussed in advance):

Climax 1 - 3000 LT, including all of the next day, +2000 tip, +shopping +dinner together at Long Table (I don't consider that part of her payment but rather part of her service.) I know this girl from prior trips and she's got a porn star body and tons of high end clients. She never asks for money specifically so I have no idea what she would be willing to go for, but this is the amount I wanted to pay.

Climax 2 - 2000 LT, plus ~300 baht of shopping on Suk and cheap thai food lunch the next day. Great time, not sure why I only gave her 2000 other than that was just what I had in my wallet (besides a few hundreds.)

Bossy 1 - 2000 ST, fun girl but I was beat. Gave her 100 baht for taxi as well.

Bossy 2 - 7000 LT. Amazing girl, exactly my type, and did a whole lot of "extras" for the extra money. She only goes clubbing a couple times a month and has a regular job, but the job is very flexible as her friend is her boss and her friend and I got along really well. Consequently, she's available to me now 24/7, which I also like and consider part of what I'm paying for.

That spams a pretty wide range of prices at only two places. On other visits in the past I've been quoted between 1000 ST and 10,000 LT, so it seems my experiences fall within the "normal" range. My feeling overall is that both these places have devoted pros and semi-pros there, the semi's may even go for free with some people, but overall the devoted pros are probably more often than not the better value, whereas the semi's are usually there partying with their friends and, in my experience, a lot more fun to pick up (at any price.).

YMMV.

-B-

I knew I was forgetting something...but how I forgot this one I have no idea. I made a third trip to Bossy earlier this month (actually it was the first trip of this batch about which I'm reporting), after a night at Pent, and holy cow was it off the hook!! Met a girl who was passing through BKK on her way from some remote village to another, who claimed (later) to have not been laid for over a year and was very picky. Somehow we clicked and partied with her friend for a while, then back to my hotel, where she put on quite a show, highlighted by requesting a beer, then giving me BBBJ while alternating between drinking the beer and using it to provide a "cooling pleasure" to me, and then she proceeded to use the beer bottle as a dildo (on herself, to be clear). Finally ended up fucking her brains out and then wanted to COF, so she re-inserted the beer bottle while I finished.

Has anyone else had this happen before? This is gonna sound incredible but it's actually the second time a girl I've taken home in BKK has dildo'd herself with a beer bottle (first time was in March.) Is it a new thing going around? Here's to hoping!

No money ever mentioned. I asked her to leave sometime around 6am so I could catch some zzz's, and slipped 3000 in her purse. She saw the money and said, "I wasn't going to ask you for money, but thanks." Worth every baht.

That's it for tonight. Need to get some dinner. More updates on Escorts and Gogo experiences later in the week.

Happy trails.

-B-

In all Due respect Bonzo1!

I would have to agree with Daddy07, and I do respect what you have to say regarding overpaying and I personal don't really care if anyone overpays or not as long as they are having a good time. I don't think a few who overpay or underpay is going to control the market one way or the other. But I do believe that they have the right to express their opinions in this forum. Forum to me is define as a discussion and not something that is suppose to be all good and rosie and black and white! ISG isn't a sex site that is only a FAQ, questions are ask and they are answer sometimes it requires more but I don't think in this particular discussion at this time anyone is being targeted unfairly and if that came across in that matter the person have already apologise and explain himself.

In fact the topic like always was dying down until you wrote your comments to Jackson in this Bangkok thread doing exactly what you accuse and reprimand others as to their " belief, paranoid, and hypocritical. From writing your post you could easily be accused being paranoid etc... since you don't share the opposite opinion of others. I get the impression that because you don't share the opinion of overpaying you decided to reprimand others because you personal don't want to hear it and if that is the case you indirectly are trying to control the board with opinions that suit your taste! That I think is wrong!

When you use your reference in ISG " safe sex " if I got it right certainly can be applied to your own views.

" It does no good to criticize member etc.... "

Line 1 thru 4 you quoted can easily be apply to your comments to Jackson?

In the end, from reviewing some of your post I get the impression that you can go cheap or expensive and I say kudos to you but allow those that can't and have a good reason express them just as you should be allow to express yours. And if you can't then like you I want to speak for the many who are also sick of others complaining and trying to control the board to their own liking by reprimanding others who disagree and wanting to create more and more thread? because they want to hear what they want to hear and have easy access to specific information to their question.

Personally I don't care what any of you do because there is just too much pussy in this country and if someone is too harsh or a S.A. the board has enough bodies already that will report a individual to Jackson but this topic doesn't warrant another useless thread for whatever reason! You have a decision to make in my opinion if this site doesn't suit your opinion but like you said where are you going to go " every major forum "? and for some reason you still come back for more since 2005!

That is just my 2 plus cent but in due respect to you Mr. Bonzo1, when it comes to creating more thread I have to agree to disagree!

By the way was you at Nana Liq disco on Fri/ Sat morning? did you see the girl in the black leather dress dancing on the small stage?

LBM

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]In all Due respect Bonzo1!

I would have to agree with Daddy07, and I do respect what you have to say regarding overpaying and I personal don't really care if anyone overpays or not as long as they are having a good time. I don't think a few who overpay or underpay is going to control the market one way or the other. But I do believe that they have the right to express their opinions in this forum. Forum to me is define as a discussion and not something that is suppose to be all good and rosie and black and white! ISG isn't a sex site that is only a FAQ, questions are ask and they are answer sometimes it requires more but I don't think in this particular discussion at this time anyone is being targeted unfairly and if that came across in that matter the person have already apologise and explain himself.

In fact the topic like always was dying down until you wrote your comments to Jackson in this General thread doing exactly what you accuse and reprimand others as to their " belief, paranoid, and hypocritical. From writing your post you could easily be accused being paranoid etc... since you don't share the opposite opinion of others. I get the impression that because you don't share the opinion of overpaying you decided to reprimand others because you personal don't want to hear it and if that is the case you indirectly are trying to control the board with opinions that suit your taste! That I think is wrong!

When you use your reference in ISG " safe sex " if I got it right certainly can be applied to your own views.

" It does no good to criticize member etc.... "

Line 1 thru 4 you quoted can easily be apply to your comments to Jackson?

In the end, from reviewing some of your post I get the impression that you can go cheap or expensive and I say kudos to you but allow those that can't and have a good reason express them just as you should be allow to express yours. And if you can't then like you I want to speak for the many who are also sick of others complaining and trying to control the board to their own liking by reprimanding others who disagree and wanting to create more and more thread? because they want to hear what they want to hear and have easy access to specific information to their question.

Personally I don't care what any of you do because there is just too much pussy in this country and if someone is too harsh or a S.A. the board has enough bodies already that will report a individual to Jackson but this topic doesn't warrant another useless thread for whatever reason! You have a decision to make in my opinion if this site doesn't suit your opinion but like you said where are you going to go " every major forum "? and for some reason you still come back for more since 2005!

That is just my 2 plus cent but in due respect to you Mr. Bonzo1, when it comes to creating more thread I have to agree to disagree!

LBM[/QUOTE]

Hi LBM

You raise some good points for sure. I am yearning to end this discussion and move on to greener pastures, so I'll just reply to a few (no disrespect intended by not addressing everything.)

1. To reiterate, I'm addressing the futility of the debate, and more importantly the effect that the all-too-present condemnation of a members' behaviors has on the benefit of the forum to all (see Guido's initial post of this chain, where he is castigating another member, which is what started this chain -- this is far from an isolated example.)

2. I'm not criticizing a member but rather a (ubiquitous) behavior. I have no beef against Guido or anyone else in any other respect than this topic. In fact, I have never written anything to him, but rather commented in general. That said, I can see your point.

3. I'm not intending to be antagonistic in response but rather as clear and compelling as I can be. However, I can see how my responses can (easily) be taken that way, to which I'll both say that it's not my intention and also that unfortunately this entire topic almost always leads to a fight.

4. Note that I, and probably no one or exceedingly few people, have ever posted a criticism of someone who negotiated well or paid less than I do. Perhaps the only caveat to this is when someone has ripped off a girl. These discussions and debates ALWAYS start with someone (as Run Mann dubbed them, "the price police") complaining or criticizing about overpaying and/or spoiling the market. Occasionally I or another person tries to point out both the errors in reasoning and the futility, but always it is about "overpayers" -- there is zero litter from "the other side" about "underpayers." This responds to your assertion about me (and presumably the others that share my views) actually being hypocrites and doing the very thing we claim to be decrying (bullying the forum for our own views) - as is well-evidenced throughout the forums, this is absolutely not the case -- everyone welcomes information about prices without critique. It's their critiques of others (and their bogus theories about markets) that we are tired of having to endure. Your point is that I have a right to mention that, and I agree. My approach is, after my first post did no good (as predicted,) to send a letter to Jackson asking for his consideration, not to terrorize the forum from here until the end of time (as the price police do). Frankly, if Jackson denies my request I'll simply live with it and try to ignore the nonsense and insults, but I contend the forum would be a better place for all if the behaviors of the few price police were curtailed or properly quarantined. IMHO.

5. Who knows when this would "die down." It raises its head over and over again, and without a policy there's zero chance of it really dying down, ever.

6. I am far from the first person to make this observation or request.

In summary, I'm simply asking for something that already exists as part of ISG policy -- i.e. no flaming, antagonism, and disparaging other members. In accordance with (wise) ISG policy, this actually does benefit all members.

-B-

PS - I will refrain from posting any further remarks, including especially those that I realize are coming across as antagonistic. And regardless of differences in views and my hopes of a better forum, I have no other bone to pick with those who stand on other sides of this issue. All the best.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]I knew I was forgetting something...but how I forgot this one I have no idea. I made a third trip to Bossy earlier this month (actually it was the first trip of this batch about which I'm reporting), after a night at Pent, and holy cow was it off the hook!! Met a girl who was passing through BKK on her way from some remote village to another, who claimed (later) to have not been laid for over a year and was very picky. Somehow we clicked and partied with her friend for a while, then back to my hotel, where she put on quite a show, highlighted by requesting a beer, then giving me BBBJ while alternating between drinking the beer and using it to provide a "cooling pleasure" to me, and then she proceeded to use the beer bottle as a dildo (on herself, to be clear). Finally ended up fucking her brains out and then wanted to COF, so she re-inserted the beer bottle while I finished.

Has anyone else had this happen before? This is gonna sound incredible but it's actually the second time a girl I've taken home in BKK has dildo'd herself with a beer bottle (first time was in March.) Is it a new thing going around? Here's to hoping!

No money ever mentioned. I asked her to leave sometime around 6am so I could catch some zzz's, and slipped 3000 in her purse. She saw the money and said, "I wasn't going to ask you for money, but thanks." Worth every baht.

That's it for tonight. Need to get some dinner. More updates on Escorts and Gogo experiences later in the week.
Happy trails.
-B-[/QUOTE]
seems a wild one and I am just wondering about her friend....
Coild expect a 3-some with a girl like that or maybe she wanted to make sure that her holes were filled and to share the filler with a friend! lol
A missed freebie by your own action, but I think you did well in giving her some cash
Maybe good investment for the future.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]With all due respect, not at all.

1. I'm not talking about a few innocuous comments here and there, or even the helpful advice -- I'm talking about the disparaging, whining, authoritative posts that repeatedly occur not only on the BKK forum but on pretty much every forum. It's a broken record, in more ways that one.

2. Many other members have requested the very same thing, for years, across all forums.

3. See my analogy to the safe sex policies. What you wrote could apply just as easily to that subject, yet there is a policy for it -- for good reason.

4. I am differentiating between comments and useful advice about prices (e.g. your bus example, and your THANKED observation) versus the preachy condemnations and irrational beliefs about "spoiling the market," the latter which are clutter at best, and at worst antagonistic and serve to discourage people from posting their real experiences.

5. The only alternative I suppose would be to consider having the debates, futilely, ad naseum and ad inifinitum. Personally I think 8+ years is more than long enough already, and a simple policy addition (which actually really isn't even an addition since it's part of the ISG rules to not be antagonizing already) could spare us all the clutter and harassment.

I do agree that there's a bit of a fine line and perhaps would be a bit hard to really enforce, but anything to discourage it would be beneficial, I think.

All the best,

-B-[/QUOTE]

For whatever its worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The points you outlined are logically coherent and if implemented your suggestion would benefit the forum membership. However, I fear you may be up against it so to speak in terms of getting Admin to agree to your recommendation for a variety of reasons not even worth discussing. The price police have been on this board ineffectively excoriating members for years for violating the so call market rate. Some people are happiest when they are complaining a la Andy Rooney and this is an easy issue to complain about.

[QUOTE=Daddy07]Aww, come on, Bonzo … with all due respect and no disparagement intended, don’t you think you’re becoming a bit hysterical over this issue? .[/QUOTE]Having followed up a bit I tend to agree on Bonzo, in general.
If Bonzo looks hysterical, also the usual comments he points out are hysterical too
He clarifies very well in the later post
What I dont agree is to create a special forum on the forum ref prices
Otherwise we end up in tens of sub-categories, loosing the thread of the talks
A bit like the photo chit-chat
I agree a photo gallery has to have photos, but some (reasonable) comments should go in it, not somewhere else, otherwise it becomes not much intelligble

[QUOTE=Run Mann]For whatever its worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The points you outlined are logically coherent and if implemented your suggestion would benefit the forum membership. However, I fear you may be up against it so to speak in terms of getting Admin to agree to your recommendation for a variety of reasons not even worth discussing. The price police have been on this board ineffectively excoriating members for years for violating the so call market rate. Some people are happiest when they are complaining a la Andy Rooney and this is an easy issue to complain about.[/QUOTE]

Bonzo1,

As written above by Run Mann, your view are well taken and written I have no problem with that. And as you noted " 8 years " and it continues everyone has a pet pea and I will also agree there are more support for lower prices and maybe that is why Wal-mart is so popular, why Soi 6, is so popular, and now the bush in South Pattaya is getting lots of talk? believe it or not FS goes for 200 baht and a guy said he gave 300 and got ripped?

From what I read you have more option than the majority of us and surely that includes me. And if I was you and I believe many of the others who want to keep prices down had your ability we would turn to being a hypocrite and do the same. Maybe we are just jealous? Always a truth in eveyrthing.

I can only speak for myself... I see many of the old guys on this board are just bored and with old age we get gumpie from time to time and Viagra has given many of us a second chance but comes with lots of side affects? one which might be mood swings making us attack others without much provocation. I also believe that majority of Expats are on limited income and with the strength of the baht it's scary to us senile fools that our paradise is slowly being overprice by a few? So we attack like a pack of wolves but at the same time we love it cause it give us a jolt of energy!

Personally speaking I live in candy land but can go months just looking and not partake in such sinful activity! Currently in Monk training while I know a crazy rabbit is in town going crazy!

Enjoy mates! good discussion but LBM is out of here............

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Hi LBM

4. ...... -- there is zero litter from "the other side" about "underpayers." ... All the best.[/QUOTE]
Indeed sometime I am tempted to comment about the "underpayers", lol, as sometime there is pride in paying a providerfar less than expected (and in ful honesty sometime they get the s**t back!) or like those being over criticism on havint to pay 500B for a (residential) room and not the old 350....
I mean...150B difference extra per day....! come on!
If I would be in such an economical bad situation of not being able to afford an extra 150 a day extra for a (residential) room, I would question my capacity to spend time in mongering or having holidays there or somewhere else.

Bonzo1

You are well entitled to your opinion as am I but you seem to be getting more than a little upset over a simple discussion. Like it or not pricing is a part of the International Sex Guide.

There are other opinions than yours.....

IMHO Negotiation is so highly ingrained into the Asian culture its amazing that any purchase would be made at the ticketed price.

Rather than continue the rant we can probably topic lay this to bed and not waste further bandwidth. Been plenty of input from both trains of thought on this subject.

Guido88

[quote=bonzo1]the only alternative i suppose would be to consider having the debates, futilely, ad naseum and ad inifinitum.[/quote]take this post with a grain of salt, while i agree with you on principle bonzo1, the reality of splintering is hardly a solution.

this is thailand, this is bangkok.

canki sutta:

"o how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
for preacher and monk the honored name!
for, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
such folk see only one side of a thing"

or possibly, consider the rashomon effect: if subjectivity of perception is everything, therefore without a base in reality, then subjectivity becomes everyone's token reality. if i tell you that it is raining, will your clothes then be wet? yes, even if it's not really raining.

now think of the hindu: "a number of blind men came to an elephant...."

what would this board be without discussion? would it end up being about the size of your penis, or maybe how far you can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url], or possibly how many times you can get anal from an ugly gimp nana parking lot streetwalker that you and your buddies managed to gang bang for $3? ok well then, how many times can you hear the same story told by different people?

so what you are saying here is that you are looking for all members to post in what will be, by definition, your idea of a sex bbs?

this is bangkok. it's hot, it's steamy, it's crazy. it isn't a fairy tail (no matter how it's painted for the tourists today.)

[i]"we are anthill men upon an anthill world."[/i]
ray bradbury

agreeing and disagreeing on what a person sees and feels here takes at least some of the subjectivity out of the equation. even while experiencing what could be a fantasy for one but a poor mundane excuse of a childish epithet of absolute abject boredom for others. is the only thing that matters your own definition of reality? real honest reality? no definitely not. impossible. ergo, discussion is everything, therefore i say, what would this bangkok board be without all of it?

while i understand what it is you are saying, be careful what you wish for bonzo. this is bangkok.

Hi Bonzo:

I intentionally waited some days before posting this reply as I wanted to avoid the flame effect. However, I am happy to see that the topic is still hot.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]There are many of us that wish Jackson would just move all such posts into another thread; I suggest it be entitled, "Whining about Prices. "[/QUOTE]Well, judging from the attention that this thread has drawn, I think that Jackson won't move anything.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]One may tip as one wishes. Better said people WILL tip as they wish regardless of what YOU wish or decry. And despite others' views about what is "overpaying" (one word)[/QUOTE]? Why, sorry? How can you conclude that nobody is influenced by posts such as Guido's? I am sure there are plenty of people who adjusted their paying approach based on the input of more expert mongers.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]If you and people only exactly like you existed, the market would not. In fact, tips also create the illusion (and in many cases the reality) of prospect for the girls, which draws more to the market.[/QUOTE]The market would not exist without tips? You must be joking, right? Girls become prostitutes because of:

- poverty

- lack of education/competencies to get a sufficient salary

- unemployment

- need of cash during the studies

- no future for their children, especially once their are left by the father

- lack of a pension for their parents

- quest for the white knight who will solve all their problems

- etc

And not because of your big tips.

And even if some started because of the farang who paid 10K bht short time to their best friend, why you think that they would remain in the market in the long term and accepting a normal price?

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]And the market, especially one as large as this one, develops around the different price points. Always has and always will, provided outside factors such as LE don't interfere. Pricing is NOT an outside factor but an intrinsic one.

Assuming by "precedent" you mean affecting the market and not the consciousness of the "rest of us": no, it does not.[/QUOTE]Ok, so your point is that overpaying (one word, as you say) intended as accepting higher prices than those commonly practiced and tipping do not affect the market price because the latter already incorporates these practices, right?

Again, why? What evidence do you bring to support your conclusion? In order to corroborate such statement one should have identified the market segments and their weight. Then for each of them (or the most relevant ones) should have analysed the structure and flexibility of the demand and supply. Then the shock (overpayment): is it common, is it rare? Is its amount big or not compared to the market price? Etc etc.

You see where I am going? I don't know whether you are right or not but since (to my knowledge) no relevant econometric studies exist, what you sell as a fact is just an opinion. As such it is worth neither more nor less than Guido's (overpayment affects the market price) and in no case justifies the aggressive tone of your reply to his post. IMO of course.

Facts are that in the years prices in some market segments (or niches) have augmented a lot (e. G. Gogos, Thermae.), while in others have not (SW, massages.).

My impression is that the big price increase took place in the most visible/ saftest "sectors" where it is more likely to meet the occasional punter or the newby.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Also, negotiation, or lack thereof, is each person's own prerogative, and regardless of how much you cry about it that REALITY is NEVER going to change. If you can't accept this then don't play the game. And stop wasting forum space bitching about it.[/QUOTE]As I said before some persons' attitude and behaviour do change following the suggestions. However here I recognise that you have a point. People won't go against their nature in order to save few Euro or to preserve the mongering environment for the expatriates. This said, tolerance should be applied in both senses, also to those who like to remind the others what their idea of the mongering etiquette is. Especially, Bonzo, because we are blasted full time by people trying to convince us that 4 or 5000 bht is a fair price for a LT with a gogo dancer or that it is just normal to pay a tip to one or two or three girls who decided to sit with us (maybe uninvited and after they got their overpriced drinks.), or to the mamasan (a pimp) who makes the girls dance in the proper order or to the waiter who laughs to your jokes without understanding them, etc etc

And finally since this topic is a recurrent one (I quote you) "If you can't accept this then don't play the game (ignore the posts). And stop wasting forum space bitching about it. "

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Meanwhile, I've said this before. If overpaying ruined the market, as you say, then it would actually be incentive for people with more money to intentionally overpay and thus get rid of the competition (I. E. You) and keep the better girls for themselves.[/QUOTE]I read your sentence and I see the Thermae.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]the girls really appreciate guys who aren't cheap and give fantastic service (at time) in response. And it's easier to attract them.

So my "tip" to the board in general is that if you are uncomfortable with negotiating, instead, cast off your worries about a few meaningless dollars, negotiate a little if you like, and then tip well (waitresses, mamas, girls, everyone). And/or offer extra money for extra services (photos, movies, rimming, CIM, COF, anal, whatever).[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you on the tips against extra services. If you go to Tulip, have 4 shots, great blowjobs, rimming, catbath, dfk, then you bang her up the arse and pay only 1500 bht in my opinion you are an arsehole (one word, right?).

But I would be a bit more cautious about the tips to people who basically do nothing for you. According to my experience thai people (including the middle/high classes) are extremely attentive consumers. They pay a lot of attention to the value for their money (even for negligible amounts), get mad when they understand they have overspent or missed an opportunity and they do-not-tip. All in all, I would say that they do not have a high opinion of those who throw away their money. That's why I am one of those who believe that high requests often come with poor performance.

[QUOTE=Barko]Hey Guido88,

Don't you feel that Moscow's economic explosion had more to do with the rapidly bloated 'localized' pricing than did visiting mongers overpaying themselves into an upward spiral? Controlling a mass of suddenly rich locals ready to blow their money on ho's every night is impossible. This could happen anywhere though, even Bangkok. (The Thais are bragging their brains out about how much they are paying for everything right now, and making rooster crows over THEIR OWN super hot economy. Never a good sign.)

Thai local mongering venues seem to be holding prices steady at the moment, and the reality is Thai. Thai P4P represents over 90% of the market. (No, we are not talking soapies, oilies or bars, more on that at some point in the future.)

"It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market. " This simple statement is perfection, thank you Guido88.

My own way of negotiating is dependent on the location. At bars I do a drawdown rate of 20%, then normally award the original asking price by way of tip. I keep the original price and the amount of the tip as completely separate entities. If the girl provides an exceptionally fun and sexy experience, I tip very well, but again, I keep the amount of the tip in specific terms. I see discos and late night clubs as an anomaly. I feel that the entire scene is a con, built around what pricepoint the customer will allow himself to be seduced to. I normally get freebies in multiples at discos, but generally I have to admit that probably costs more and again, generally, it isn't very good sex, (chicks very sexy and super hot for about 20 minutes, cum, fall asleep for a couple of hours, then split = Thai style, but I have to blame a good part of this on the amount of alcohol consumed.) I know others that have paid 6, 000 to 8, 000+ Baht at discos without caring a whit. I don't feel that those guys are pushing prices up across the board at all, in their own sphere possibly, yes, but not in general.

Much to say on this subject.

Again, I feel that a raise in pricing is based more on local economy allowances rather than a what a few suckers tell themselves what they can afford compared to their own pricing at home.[/QUOTE]


Hey Barko

To answer your question.

From what I observed it was the realization by the girls and their pimps (Cops) that clients would pay any price for the prime light skinned women RU has to offer. Did not matter how ridicules the $ the girls quoted some fool would pay.

The other change I saw is that service started to slip hard.

The locals were not overpaying. The ratio of single women to men in Moscow makes it pretty easy for a local man with a few rubles to score free pussy. Only the mongers and scores of visiting businessmen wanting to satisfy the RU stunner fantasy are shelling out the big cash.

Identical pricing arguments on the RU ISG board regarding pricing 2003-2006. Now the consensus in Moscow in no longer a monger's paradise unless he wants to spend $500-1,000 a night.

I see many similarities between Moscow then and BKK now.

Guido88

It appears to me the seminal purpose of this board, the exchange of information, for the most part has broken down. I respect self-expression as much as the next guy, however, it appears the primary purpose of this board has morphed into just that. Add to that a rude, unprofessional e mail from the administrator.

I seriously doubt I would even renew next year.


[QUOTE=Run Mann]For whatever its worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The points you outlined are logically coherent and if implemented your suggestion would benefit the forum membership. However, I fear you may be up against it so to speak in terms of getting Admin to agree to your recommendation for a variety of reasons not even worth discussing. The price police have been on this board ineffectively excoriating members for years for violating the so call market rate. Some people are happiest when they are complaining a la Andy Rooney and this is an easy issue to complain about.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bolthead]I was wondering if there are any places in BKK that have model-type girls available. I suppose I've been spending lots of time with thai (kind of) family and have picked up on their tastes in women: fair skinned, long-limbed model types.

In the Chonburi area they tell me of two places the thai guys go to: Happy World and Galaxy. I haven't been there but maybe someone can describe what those places are like? And do they have anything similaer in BKK (pick a girl, spend an hour or more with her, all in one building)[/QUOTE]

One option would be Pegasus. Advise that you search here and read about it, and perhaps google as well. Beware that it is not cheap - could be considered expensive even by many Western standards.

The G-clubs have plenty of girls like that, but they aren't necessarily available (takes some schmoozing) and definitely won't be available in the joint, within an hour. So I don't think that's what you are looking for, but if you are in BKK for any extended period of time they may be worth checking out. I've had a great time several times at Pent and Moritz (there are many others as well. Best to have a membership or go with someone who does.)

People also talk about the Rachada soapies (Poseidon, Amsterdam, Caesars, and a host of others). See this link for some info and then do some searches. Tons of info available here about them.

[url]http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/massage/soapy-massage/[/url]

I went to a place in Pattaya once...forgot the name, but something to do with Models or similar. It's sort of near the Hard Rock hotel (or in that direction), if I recall correctly. Shit, come to think of it, I'm not even certain it wasn't Phuket and not Pattaya, but I can find out if you need. Anyway, take out was 10,000 to 20,000 baht there. Girls were model level, but quite frankly I've seen just as good looking ones in gogos in Pattaya.

Good luck and keep us posted. I'd like to know more about these kind of options too.

-B-

Tried Aviva on Soi 8 again. Didn't request but got Da again. Had no problem with that - I had planned on asking for her anyway but they just called her out immediately after I checked in. Service was A+ as before. Did FS this time. It was really fun, her all oiled up and sliding all over me.

This place gets repeatedly good reviews (a few bad ones) and I can see why. I find it convenient, comfortable, and nonchalant. The rooms are drab and this time the shower was a bit smelly, but overall fine for what it is (this is no Rachada-style place and doesn't aim to be).

The prices at Aviva are:

500 for HJ
1000 for BJ and or "body to body" massage
1500 for FS

Plus 400 baht for 1 hour oil massage.

I tipped Da and additional 200 each time I've been there. Don't think that's required, but certainly was appreciated.

-B-

[QUOTE=Guido88]Hey Barko

To answer your question.

From what I observed it was the realization by the girls and their pimps (Cops) that clients would pay any price for the prime light skinned women RU has to offer. Did not matter how ridicules the $ the girls quoted some fool would pay.

The other change I saw is that service started to slip hard.

The locals were not overpaying. The ratio of single women to men in Moscow makes it pretty easy for a local man with a few rubles to score free pussy. Only the mongers and scores of visiting businessmen wanting to satisfy the RU stunner fantasy are shelling out the big cash.

Identical pricing arguments on the RU ISG board regarding pricing 2003-2006. Now the consensus in Moscow in no longer a monger's paradise unless he wants to spend $500-1,000 a night.

I see many similarities between Moscow then and BKK now.

Guido88[/QUOTE]Observation much appreciated and duly noted, thanks! I had my own perceptions based solely on what I had read in the papers & online, heard from friends working in Moscow, then some really negative stuff said in Hungary a couple of years ago.

Regarding local Bangkok Thai venues, they are still doing 1500ST and 2000LT, straight up, and no one is talking anything other than that at the moment. Will watch for changes and rumours thereof, and if there ARE creeping price changes, will see how they are actually accepted in Bangkok. I'll report anything I get.

I did see a well dressed Japanese guy at a crowded local downbeat Bangkok Thai hangout the other night, he was sitting alone, speaking Japanese & broken English, and offering vast amounts of money to the chicks to sit with him. (DAR, damn average raiser.) Needless to say, he was seriously out of place (this ain't Thaniya) and obviously didn't know how to play the mamasan flirt game, (hell, it's only freakin' EVERYTHING!) So, the heretofore mentioned Japanese dude sat hopelessly alone for most of the evening. The girls would come and go, sure, but would never actually sit with him for any length of time. (Who knows what the guy was really up to?) Meanwhile, the drunk Thais were passing the chicks around like a pack of Lucky Strikes on poker night, (and making very nasty jokes about Khun Yeepoon that I dared not to laugh at.) There's a hell of a lot more to the deal than just money in the real Thai mongering world, a lot more.

Let's see if local mongering money bubbles start to float in LOS. As far as I can see, they haven't changed and aren't going to for a while, not yet anyway! :D

[QUOTE=Barko]Observation much appreciated and duly noted, thanks! I had my own perceptions based solely on what I had read in the papers & online, heard from friends working in Moscow, then some really negative stuff said in Hungary a couple of years ago.

Regarding local Bangkok Thai venues, they are still doing 1500ST and 2000LT, straight up, and no one is talking anything other than that at the moment. Will watch for changes and rumors thereof, and if there ARE creeping price changes, will see how they are actually accepted in Bangkok. I'll report anything I get.

I did see a well dressed Japanese guy at a crowded local downbeat Bangkok Thai hangout the other night, he was sitting alone, speaking Japanese & broken English, and offering vast amounts of money to the chicks to sit with him. (DAR, damn average raiser.) Needless to say, he was seriously out of place (this ain't Thaniya) and obviously didn't know how to play the mamasan flirt game, (hell, it's only freakin' EVERYTHING!) So, the heretofore mentioned Japanese dude sat hopelessly alone for most of the evening. The girls would come and go, sure, but would never actually sit with him for any length of time. (Who knows what the guy was really up to?) Meanwhile, the drunk Thais were passing the chicks around like a pack of Lucky Strikes on poker night, (and making very nasty jokes about Khun Yeepoon that I dared not to laugh at.) There's a hell of a lot more to the deal than just money in the real Thai mongering world, a lot more.

Let's see if local mongering money bubbles start to float in LOS. As far as I can see, they haven't changed and aren't going to for a while, not yet anyway! :D[/QUOTE]

Barko

There is some old joke about having a handfuls of $100 bills and not being able to get laid in a w.horehouse.

If a man cant get laid in BKK he either needs to quit or switch teams.

Guido88

Can anyone please tell me the name of the great restaurant above Foodland.
I believe it is on Soi 7. Sorry if I put this in the wrong place, didn't see a section for restaurants.

Cactus J

Anyone is free to overpay (eventually hoping to get better service, which in my view is not necessary linked to overpaying...), of course!

However one of the main mission of this board is to provide reliable information to people who are not well informed. They need to get a notion of what is a fair standard price (a price stops to be fair when the girl doesn't want to go with you again at that price, that's my definition).
That's why I tend to recall what I consider a fair price when I see some posts which may lead partially informed readers to think that this (overpaid) price may be the standard price.
Gosh! I'm not sure what I wrote is understandable
In short:
overpay: no problem
(Unintentionally) leading other readers to think that it's a standard price: problem

[QUOTE=El Frances]Anyone is free to overpay (eventually hoping to get better service, which in my view is not necessary linked to overpaying...), of course!

However one of the main mission of this board is to provide reliable information to people who are not well informed. They need to get a notion of what is a fair standard price (a price stops to be fair when the girl doesn't want to go with you again at that price, that's my definition).
......
In short:
overpay: no problem
(Unintentionally) leading other readers to think that it's a standard price: problem[/QUOTE]
somehow well said!
Worth more than 2 cents (unless this is read as "overpaying" LOL)

Here is how I see it,
if a middle level girl at XXX gogo asks and gets 2000b ST and gets it again and again, then the other middle range girls will ask the same and the 9s-10s will ask more because they consider themselves "better"
It does not take long for the GoGo TomTom drums to tell the rest of the BGs in that bar and then it spreads to other bars,

a one time hit will not get the TomTom drums going, but if it becomes a trend then everyone will know,

Same for Biergarden , Nana Parking lot etc

I have had a girl brag I gave her 3000b ST,(it was 1000B) then the rest of her BG friends all wanted the same :(
BG lie, DOOH or better call it brag - gossip as they really have nothing else to do waiting for customers , and even if they got more for doing "extras" that part will probably not get into the BGs story.

Also some girls will tell you a stupid price because they do NOT want to go with you. its their way of saving face, you face as much as anything !

So figure out what the normal price is , agree with it before you head to the room, maybe even offer extra if she is real good, and give her an incentive to try harder , but giving a Tip after the fact does not get you better service (because the deed has already been done) unless she knows when you start that she can earn more by working harder.

Now back to our usual programming......

BK

Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

Silombk

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Eden Club on Soi 7/1

[url]http://www.bkk-gui.de/ede_eng_t.html[/url][/QUOTE]Thank you so much!

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]The two nights I went to each place they were jammed (random selection of nights, some weekend and some Monday, Sunday, etc.) Climax seems to get busy after midnight or so, whereas Bossy really starts to pick up around 3am...though not exactly quiet at 1:30am. Had a blast every time in both places, though at times it was so jammed that it was a bit hard to move around.

The 4 girls from these places (only one discussed in advance):

Climax 1 - 3000 LT, including all of the next day, +2000 tip, +shopping +dinner together at Long Table (I don't consider that part of her payment but rather part of her service.) I know this girl from prior trips and she's got a porn star body and tons of high end clients. She never asks for money specifically so I have no idea what she would be willing to go for, but this is the amount I wanted to pay.

Climax 2 - 2000 LT, plus ~300 baht of shopping on Suk and cheap thai food lunch the next day. Great time, not sure why I only gave her 2000 other than that was just what I had in my wallet (besides a few hundreds.)

Bossy 1 - 2000 ST, fun girl but I was beat. Gave her 100 baht for taxi as well.

Bossy 2 - 7000 LT. Amazing girl, exactly my type, and did a whole lot of "extras" for the extra money. She only goes clubbing a couple times a month and has a regular job, but the job is very flexible as her friend is her boss and her friend and I got along really well. Consequently, she's available to me now 24/7, which I also like and consider part of what I'm paying for.

That spams a pretty wide range of prices at only two places. On other visits in the past I've been quoted between 1000 ST and 10,000 LT, so it seems my experiences fall within the "normal" range. My feeling overall is that both these places have devoted pros and semi-pros there, the semi's may even go for free with some people, but overall the devoted pros are probably more often than not the better value, whereas the semi's are usually there partying with their friends and, in my experience, a lot more fun to pick up (at any price.).

YMMV.

-B-[/QUOTE]

I've been reading your posts about pricing, and on one hand I agree that the odd big spender and over payer dosn't ruin the market, there will always be these guys happy to pay more than needed. But If more and more mongers keep paying higher prices then the new set price rises simple.

I can think back only 5 years ago In NEP, back then I could of BF just about any dancer I fancied, most wouldn't of asked how much, and none would expect more than the LT rate of 2k, now you have bars like Rainbow quoting 2k ST, that's a joke, only last year I was still able to take Rainbow dancers for 1500 ST or 2000 LT, sure the first quote from them was 2k ST 4k LT, but If you show them you are cool and know the score, helps too If you speak some thai, the price magically drops, ok not every single gogo diva will drop, but a hell of a lot will, as others say you need to negotiate, It's the Thai way, unlike tipping.

I'm amazed you paid 7k to a Bossy girl!!!! That's just amazing, the only time I paid 7k LT In Bkk was with a hot Russian FL @ Cm2, but to be honest that's a totally different market, I bet she Is available to you 24/7 at those rates lol.

since this price discussion came up, and i have way too much time on my hands anyway, i decided to check my daily journal for pooying prices i paid in bkk in october 2006 when i first came to thailand.

a two hour oily massage at angel’s on soi 24, with a pretty 25 year old, was 800b to the shop and 1500b to the lady, including 2 pops, lots of dfk, daty, multiple positions and fake moans.

a thoroughly satisfying bbbj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s was 700b with a hard working enthusiastic plain jane.

a 1.5 hours soapy massage at malibu with a 21 year old cutie fishbowl girl was 1800b all in to the shop for 2 pops of mediocre service. there was no massage and at one point the cutie turned on tv to watch thai soap opera’s. of course, i had none of that and she got no tip.

a very lovely young nana plaza rainbow 4 go-go girl agreed to st for 1000b after first quoting 2000b and gave me great gfe with 1 satisfying pop.

after 3 days in bkk, it was off to pattaya, where 90% of the high end go-go girls were going happily then for 600b barfine and 1000b st. the other 10% gladly went for 1500. today, they often quote 2000b st but will go for 1500. many will still go for 1000, however prices have risen. negotiation almost always works with them.

soi 6 girls – the pretty ones – went for 500b st in 2006 – 200b for the room upstairs and most gave you 2 pops of kinky sex for that. now the average girls want no less than 700b for one pop and the rooms are now 300b. one pretty older girl would take no less than 1000. i declined.

beach road girls of the highest class would always be happy with 500b in 2006, and many would take less. now the grannies, fatties, and uglies want 500b and the cuties are asking 700-1000b st.

most beer bar girls expected 500b st. a few demanded 1000b and barfines were 200-300b.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s girls were 700b and are still 700b.

oily massages could be had for 1 hour @ 300b + 200b for happy hj ending. now the price for the massage is the same but the girls want 300b for the hj. foot massages even now can be had for 150b/hr and even as low as 100b in some venues i’m told.

guess the big spenders have not infiltrated the foot massage market yet.

in one of my first pattaya thread reports, i was crowing on about getting a haircut for 200b somewhere, which was about half the cost i paid in the us. some guy on this board … i think it was dingy … told me i was an idiot for paying that much … i could have had it for 50b on soi buakhow. far from feeling disparaged, i thanked dingy, and am still receiving great haircuts on soi buakhow at 60b/job.

so you see, bonzo, we all overpay from time to time, and it’s nice to know that there are a few watchdogs on the board to set us straight when we fuck up. they should be thanked imho – not banned.

regards,
daddy

[QUOTE=Silombk]Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

Silombk[/QUOTE]

One place I wouldn't go is the pharmacy on Soi 33 near the 7/11. Bought some Cialis from there in May. I have just opened it only to discover that the box had already been opened and the pills on the inside have obviously been tampered with. A friend of mine had enough guts to try one and reported that it was clearly a fake as it had no impact on his performance.

I know I should have checked when I was in the store, but little brain in my cock with a few beers got the better of the bigger brain in the head.

Avoid.

Styk

I know I'll get answers to my following questions if I start digging into this forum. But my gosh. Its so vast. I'm losing it.

After lot of contemplation, have decided to pay a visit to BK starting Sep15th.

Have booked into boss suites hotel

[url]http://bosssuites.com/overview.php[/url]

Qs to seniors and veterans.

1. Is this girl friednly?

2. Where can I find hot Russian chics easily close to this place?

Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Silombk]Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

Silombk[/QUOTE]


Hi, there is a reliable pharmacy very close to you. I went there many times already and bought reliable original and also generic products.
If you walk from soi Nana to Sukhumvit you turn left at the fuel station. Then you pass a money changer and you will find on your left hand side 2 (!) pharmacies. The first one is the smaller one. Please enter the second one (the larger one) and you will get what you need.
Regards
FV.

[QUOTE=Cactus J]Can anyone please tell me the name of the great restaurant above Foodland.
I believe it is on Soi 7. Sorry if I put this in the wrong place, didn't see a section for restaurants.

Cactus J[/QUOTE]


Foodland is on Soi 5. Took Lae Dee is the restaurant inside foodland but never paid much attention what is above it, thought it was some type of bar but you can call or email them and ask.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]If you show them you are cool[/QUOTE]What can you do if your like a little cool but not totally cool?

[quote=daddy07]
so you see, bonzo, we all overpay from time to time, and it’s nice to know that there are a few watchdogs on the board to set us straight when we fuck up. they should be thanked imho – not banned.

regards,
daddy[/quote]

good report, and very interesting. and thank you for your info! i'm saying that sincerely with no other connotations.

to address your last comment <sigh>: i'm not gonna take it personally, but to be clear (since my point has been diluted by so many straw men arguments and other misrepresentations), i have said over and over again that i fully support pricing info -- it's even directly stated in the conclusion/suggestions in my open letter to jackson. i have never once said anything about "banning" anyone. i also have never said anything about inflation not being real, i.e. that prices can't and don't rise.

my suggestion (again, see my letter) simply was that comments be helpful and suggestive, and that disparaging and antagonistic ones be removed or moved as disparaging remarks only serve to discourage people from reporting. so-called "watch dogs" can just as easily do the job we all thank them for, and to the exact same end, without being disparaging.

separately, i realize now that it was probably futile of me to raise the argument about market theory/realities, and this is part of the reason why i've stopped commenting on that aspect. within isg forums, such comments only fuels the already-lit fire, tend to drag on by encouraging many people to offer their opinions (case in point on this forum of late), and thus should be held elsewhere. so i will take the blame for that one.

thanks again for your report. interesting that, all potential confounding factors notwithstanding, some prices are relatively the same while others have risen a bit (in some cases doubled, assuming we're comparing apples to apples.) i'll check my notes too as, ironically, i first came to thailand in 2006 as well. i don't seem to recall paying much less then, but it does jive with my gut that it is more now.

best

-b-

ps - btw, isn't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] still 700b? haven't been there in a long time.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]

I'm amazed you paid 7k to a Bossy girl!!!! That's just amazing, the only time I paid 7k LT In Bkk was with a hot Russian FL @ Cm2, but to be honest that's a totally different market, I bet she Is available to you 24/7 at those rates lol.[/QUOTE]

Haha, yeah, even I felt like a bit of a sucker about that one! :) But she started at 10,000, and I got her down to 7000 plus adding in tons of services which I wanted (including BB, CIM/COF, and pictures and movie, but I don't share those, sorry,) and she was the super star of the place that night, so I figured, "oh well, it's worth the fantasy from time to time." I actually haven't had her back yet, but she makes it clear via sms's that she's eager and willing, so I always have an excellent backup plan -- just haven't had to actually use it yet! LOL.

Cheers,

-B-

My second time in Bangkok.

I stayed at the Jasmine Executive Suites on soi 23, plus visited Mango Massage, Annie's and Akane Chit Lom (see separate posts for all).

Went to Soi Cowboy two nights in a row, Monday and Tuesday.

On Monday most go-gos were pretty empty, at least after midnight, I would say the only place filled to the rafters was Tilac.

Quite a few good looking girls inside, I spoke to one who wished to go to the Full Moon Party in Pha Ngan so that she could "[I]see farang make boom boom on the beach[/I]".

Also witnessed a drunk punter getting his ass kicked by a ladyboy.

On Tuesday there were more people around, but after a couple of quick stops I went to Shark, and never left. I remembered Shark from my previous visit a year and a half ago as the establishment with the better looking dancers, and while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I confirmed my preference. Tall, leggy, busty babes with see-through yellow tops. A fucking dream.

So anyway, once in I take things slowly, waiting for two sets of girls to go through their time on the stage before I finally make my decision. I go for the slimmest, leggiest of them all, and when she looks my way I offer her my tried and tested George Clooney smile, which she finds very resistible. Mai pen rai, I don't get discouraged easily, and I wave her Hello, and signal her to come seat next to me. She likely turns out to be a lot friendlier than her looks and demeanor may lead to believe, and is delighted to find out that my hotel is around the corner.

After some fondling to make sure she's as toned as she appeared to be, we strike a LT deal.

Back in my room I have a hard time not to spend the whole night looking at her perfectly shaped thighs, but finally succumb to her other charms (she's basically deep-throating me by now).

We have a good session, after which, exhausted, I turn off the lights.

Now, here comes the interesting part.

When the morning after I wake up, I'm startled to find her well awake, her face no more than a few centimeters from mine, looking intently at me. I give her the good morning, to which she nods mechanically without uttering word, her gaze fixed on me like she's faced with a difficult mathematical equation. I'm still sleepy so I close my eyes, but no sooner I've done that that I feel her soft hand gently caressing my face. Still groggy from sleep and unable to formulate a sentence to express her my appreciation for the kind gesture, I dumbly repeat my good morning.

It's at that point that she hits me with one of those statement/question which are difficult to immediately evaluate and reply to:

HER – [I]you like me, yes? [/I]

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

ME – [I]er. You are very beautiful[/I]

HER – [I]you have girlfriend? [/I]

ME – [I]in my country I have girlfriend, yes. [/I] Which isn't true but I think I see where this is leading.

HER – [I]but, if you have girlfriend and sleep with me, you no good man[/I]

All right, she's obviously better than me at this game and, one way or another, she'd end up cornering me, so:

ME – [I]maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend[/I]

She's not just staring at me now, she's probing my fucking soul. Having someone do that to you from so close is unsettling.

HER – [I]you make love like boyfriend[/I]

ME – [I]uh. Ah. I always make love like that. [/I]

HER – [I]you no tell lie to me, no? [/I] Her frown is downright menacing now, and if I wasn't double her size I'd probably run for cover.

ME – [I]I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend[/I]

Her face undergoes a dramatic, sudden change: the scary look melts into the puppy-eyed look, in fact her whole body seems to shrink and fold.

HER – [I]why you no like me? [/I], she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – [I]I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again[/I]

In a last effort she turns away from me, pretending to be hurt, but I found out during the night that she's incredibly ticklish, so I go for her weak spots and before long she surrenders to defeat, laughing like crazy, begging me to stop.

She knows she owes me another round, but before I can get down to business she jumps out of the bed and says – [I]we breakfast now, later we boom boom again, yes? [/I]

After all she's still better than me. Probably getting a meal out of me has been the plan all along, the rest just a ploy to get to it. – [I]yes, we breakfast now[/I]. I concede.

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.

Not directly mongering related, but I found a couple of restaurant options worth mentioning:

BANKARA RAMEN

If you are a fan of jap noodle soups, this one is the real deal.

Soi 39, after soi Phrom Mit, on the right, inside the Manor complex.

11 GALLERY

Thai food in an old style environment.

Off soi 11, in a tiny L-shaped alley opposite the Ambassador.

Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.

Rows of regular Thai beauties at Siam Paragon.

Ryo

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]she makes it clear via sms's that she's eager and willing[/QUOTE]For 7 large, I bet she is.

Had a horrible experience at Scratch Dog in the Windsor Hotel (Soi 20 Sukhumvit) recently. Paid 500 baht for hookah. When the coals died in 30 minutes, the venue wouldn't replace them and demanded another 500 baht. Something I've never seen done ANYWHERE else. Usually more coal is free or has a nominal cost and certainly not an entire new hookah, especially when you're shelling out 500 baht. Worse, when we were using the hookah as the coals were dying the staff was hovering over our hookah and quickly snagged it away unprompted. The attitude by the staff there is really too much. I've vowed never to return.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]My second time in Bangkok.

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

HER – you have girlfriend?
ME – maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend
ME – [I]I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend[/I]
HER – [I]why you no like me? [/I], she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – [I]I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again[/I]

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.[/QUOTE]Incredible. Spoken like a true player. Only his second trip and is not naive enough to fall for the bullshit that many veterans fall for. I guess nobody will be contacting you about any sick water buffalo anytime soon.

[QUOTE=Cometoak]I know I'll get answers to my following questions if I start digging into this forum. But my gosh. Its so vast. I'm losing it.

After lot of contemplation, have decided to pay a visit to BK starting Sep15th.

Have booked into boss suites hotel

[url]http://bosssuites.com/overview.php[/url]

Qs to seniors and veterans.

1. Is this girl friednly?

2. Where can I find hot Russian chics easily close to this place?

Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

The Boss Suites is GF. I stayed there many times in recent months. You can however arrange for the place to pick up the girl ID in the front desk if you wish-for extra security. Russian chics are available at the Raja hotel coffee shop toward the end of Soi 4. If you are too lazy to walk the 500 meters or so to get there, just ask the tut tut driver from the Boss Suites to take you there and back (make sure you get the driver mobile and tip him well).

[QUOTE=Silombk]Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

Silombk[/QUOTE]There are two very reliable pharmacies on Sukumvit between Soi Nana and Soi 2, on the Nana side of the street. I get my Levitra there on every visit and have not been disappointed. At B1800 for four, it is not cheap but it works and $10 per pill is okay.

Tiggy 7

[QUOTE=Silombk]Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

Silombk[/QUOTE]

The small pharmacy in front of Nana Plaza is OK

[QUOTE=El Frances]The small pharmacy in front of Nana Plaza is OK[/QUOTE]

El Francis

There is one a couple of blocks away on Soi 22 in the first block close to Larry's Fashions 8/3 that has everything including painkillers, xanax ect... with no doctors prescription needed.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Bob1000]The Boss Suites is GF. I stayed there many times in recent months. You can however arrange for the place to pick up the girl ID in the front desk if you wish-for extra security. Russian chics are available at the Raja hotel coffee shop toward the end of Soi 4. If you are too lazy to walk the 500 meters or so to get there, just ask the tut tut driver from the Boss Suites to take you there and back (make sure you get the driver mobile and tip him well).[/QUOTE]

BOB1000

Nice looking hotel. How is the noise level?

Guido88

. . . mine eyes did "sweat' after reading this passage."

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]My second time in Bangkok.

I stayed at the Jasmine Executive Suites on soi 23, plus visited Mango Massage, Annie's and Akane Chit Lom (see separate posts for all).

Went to Soi Cowboy two nights in a row, Monday and Tuesday.

On Monday most go-gos were pretty empty, at least after midnight, I would say the only place filled to the rafters was Tilac.

Quite a few good looking girls inside, I spoke to one who wished to go to the Full Moon Party in Pha Ngan so that she could "[I]see farang make boom boom on the beach[/I]".

Also witnessed a drunk punter getting his ass kicked by a ladyboy.

On Tuesday there were more people around, but after a couple of quick stops I went to Shark, and never left. I remembered Shark from my previous visit a year and a half ago as the establishment with the better looking dancers, and while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I confirmed my preference. Tall, leggy, busty babes with see-through yellow tops. A fucking dream.

So anyway, once in I take things slowly, waiting for two sets of girls to go through their time on the stage before I finally make my decision. I go for the slimmest, leggiest of them all, and when she looks my way I offer her my tried and tested George Clooney smile, which she finds very resistible. Mai pen rai, I don't get discouraged easily, and I wave her Hello, and signal her to come seat next to me. She likely turns out to be a lot friendlier than her looks and demeanor may lead to believe, and is delighted to find out that my hotel is around the corner.

After some fondling to make sure she's as toned as she appeared to be, we strike a LT deal.

Back in my room I have a hard time not to spend the whole night looking at her perfectly shaped thighs, but finally succumb to her other charms (she's basically deep-throating me by now).

We have a good session, after which, exhausted, I turn off the lights.

Now, here comes the interesting part.

When the morning after I wake up, I'm startled to find her well awake, her face no more than a few centimeters from mine, looking intently at me. I give her the good morning, to which she nods mechanically without uttering word, her gaze fixed on me like she's faced with a difficult mathematical equation. I'm still sleepy so I close my eyes, but no sooner I've done that that I feel her soft hand gently caressing my face. Still groggy from sleep and unable to formulate a sentence to express her my appreciation for the kind gesture, I dumbly repeat my good morning.

It's at that point that she hits me with one of those statement/question which are difficult to immediately evaluate and reply to:

HER – [I]you like me, yes? [/I]

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

ME – [I]er. You are very beautiful[/I]

HER – [I]you have girlfriend? [/I]

ME – [I]in my country I have girlfriend, yes. [/I] Which isn't true but I think I see where this is leading.

HER – [I]but, if you have girlfriend and sleep with me, you no good man[/I]

All right, she's obviously better than me at this game and, one way or another, she'd end up cornering me, so:

ME – [I]maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend[/I]

She's not just staring at me now, she's probing my fucking soul. Having someone do that to you from so close is unsettling.

HER – [I]you make love like boyfriend[/I]

ME – [I]uh. Ah. I always make love like that. [/I]

HER – [I]you no tell lie to me, no? [/I] Her frown is downright menacing now, and if I wasn't double her size I'd probably run for cover.

ME – [I]I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend[/I]

Her face undergoes a dramatic, sudden change: the scary look melts into the puppy-eyed look, in fact her whole body seems to shrink and fold.

HER – [I]why you no like me? [/I], she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – [I]I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again[/I]

In a last effort she turns away from me, pretending to be hurt, but I found out during the night that she's incredibly ticklish, so I go for her weak spots and before long she surrenders to defeat, laughing like crazy, begging me to stop.

She knows she owes me another round, but before I can get down to business she jumps out of the bed and says – [I]we breakfast now, later we boom boom again, yes? [/I]

After all she's still better than me. Probably getting a meal out of me has been the plan all along, the rest just a ploy to get to it. – [I]yes, we breakfast now[/I]. I concede.

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.

Not directly mongering related, but I found a couple of restaurant options worth mentioning:

BANKARA RAMEN

If you are a fan of jap noodle soups, this one is the real deal.

Soi 39, after soi Phrom Mit, on the right, inside the Manor complex.

11 GALLERY

Thai food in an old style environment.

Off soi 11, in a tiny L-shaped alley opposite the Ambassador.

Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.

Rows of regular Thai beauties at Siam Paragon.

Ryo[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Guido88]BOB1000

Nice looking hotel. How is the noise level?

Guido88[/QUOTE]

The hotel is located in the end of a small soi. It is very quiet.

Booked my flight for early November and been reading the board for the past two weeks.

However, there is one question that I'm not clear on. Would the Go GO dancers and the bar girls go to my hotel for ST or would they insist on going to a room in the bar or a close by hotel?

I'm planing to reserve a room close to Nana Plaza when in Bangkok and close to walking street when in Pattaya.

Thanks in advance for any reply.

[QUOTE=Jendabaze]Booked my flight for early November and been reading the board for the past two weeks.

However, there is one question that I'm not clear on. Would the Go GO dancers and the bar girls go to my hotel for ST or would they insist on going to a room in the bar or a close by hotel?

I'm planing to reserve a room close to Nana Plaza when in Bangkok and close to walking street when in Pattaya.

Thanks in advance for any reply.[/QUOTE]I've never met a girl insisting for her own bar room or for a ST hotel, provided that your place is reasonably close. Neither in BKK nor in PTY.

It is indeed a good idea to book a hotel near NEP or in any case in the low Suk area (soi 3, 4, 5, 7, until 11 or 13). Places like Majestic Suites or Grand President for example are just perfect if you want to add some freelancers (maybe in the afternoon?) to the Gogo/beer bar girls. No problems whatsoever bringing back even more than one girl a day (maybe not together and overnight, though) and just close to the action: Suk, Beergarden, Nana car park, etc.

In Pattaya things are even more simple since with the songtheow (these pick up taxis that you will see everywhere) you can practically go everywhere with few baht, especially if your hotel is near the beach road or the second road (if you are in Naklua or Buakhaow areas instead, you may need to change taxi, not a big deal but with so many hotels in south and central Pattaya why bother?).

In PTY, for this reason, I would be a bit more flexible in terms of location and not necessarily stick to the Beach Road area. Last March I was in Soi Diana (LK Renaissance) and it was IMO an excellent choice in terms of value for money. In January I was in TIM Boutique (same area) and again it was just great, except for some noisy live music from a beer bar on the back of the hotel. Once I told them, they upgraded me to a suite and I spent the rest of my holiday sleeping like a baby. (well, not really but I think you got the idea)

Some hotels in very popular areas (e. G. Soi 8 or walking street) can be very noisy until late, so you may want to avoid them if you think that this can be a problem for you.

Last thing, before booking take a look at the prices on agoda or hotelscombined websites where you can normally find good deals. Since some hotels change their guest policy if you book directly or through a dealer (in the first case they won't charge you, in the second yes), you may want to clear this aspect in advance by email. All the hotels I mentioned are 100% guest friendly, though.

Hope it helps.

[QUOTE=Jendabaze]Booked my flight for early November and been reading the board for the past two weeks.

However, there is one question that I'm not clear on. Would the Go GO dancers and the bar girls go to my hotel for ST or would they insist on going to a room in the bar or a close by hotel?

I'm planing to reserve a room close to Nana Plaza when in Bangkok and close to walking street when in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

They will go to your hotel. Sometimes they might say they want to go to the short term hotel, but if you say "no, go my hotel" they'll be ok with it.

hi dear fellow mongers,

i am on a short trip here in bangkok and would like to give a report about my observation. first night i spent some time in patpong drinking some beer and checking the scene. first think i observed was the fewer tourists in bangkok. i supposed that it was about 1/3 of the number of tourist that have been here in bangkok compared to my last visit in november 09. king castle has took over more places and the cozy and nice life music bar at the corner between patpong1 and patpong2 is now a king castle neon bar too. what a shame, i was a frequent visitor of this bar since 2001.

second day i headed to eden, i was never there. simply i could never find it though i tried to find it in my last 3 trips. thank to a fellow monger here in isg, i found it this time easily. if you are coming out of nana plaza and heading to the nana sky train station exit 1, then it is on the left side in a small street. about 30 meter from the stairways leading to the sky train.

it looked exactly like it is described here in isg, it is a small cozy bar. a french monsieur is behind the bar. very nice gentleman. he explained everything about his bar. the yellow line. left of the yellow line are the ladies who do anal sex, on the right of it are the ladies who don't do anal sex. all are bisexual. there have been about 30 girls when i arrived at about 3pm. the bar was empty, there were no other men but me and the frenchman. the quality of the ladies was not my taste though. all a little bit older, no girl below 27 i would think. nevertheless, i was excited and wanted to try the "dream" that was described here at isg so many times.

i chose from the left side a chubby lady (i like them with big tits) who on the other hand chose a chubby lady from the right side. so far everything was ok. the monsieur told me to pay later (we are like a restaurant, you eat first and pay later). to easy things up, i invited the 2 ladies to a lady drink and we headed up to the room in the 3rd floor. the rooms was about 3x4meter and had mirrors everywhere. the ladies put a porn dvd, and took some vibrators, condoms, gel and a strap on from a bag out. then the 2 ladies showered me long and very intensively. we headed to the bed, were one lady started to lick my ass while the other gave me a bbbj, i looked in one of the mirrors and saw a big smile on my face. yes, a dream is coming through.

"ah yuh okayyyy"? one of the girls asked, i told here i could not be more ok than now. with a another stupid smile on my face. after about 5 minutes the anal girl bent over to invite to fuck her. here my irritation started when she refused to be fucked anal and insisted on vaginal sex. well ok i thought. i took here doggy and after about 1 minute she asked "ah yuh okayyyy"? i answered "yes", and continued taking her from the back. both started to mourn right away, which i really didn't like, because the non-anal lady was sitting just watching us but was in a chorus with the girl fucked. after another minute then the question "ah yuh okayyyy"?, i said yes and shot my load. well ok. we showered and i went to the bed were both ladies started to massage me. after about 10 minutes i was ready for round 2. both sucked me and i was very happy till the question came "ah yuh okayyyy"?. i answered yes and as soon as my dick was hard enough i asked the non-anal-girl to spread her leg while sucking my dick and asked the anal-lady to lick her. this went on for about 1-2 minutes when the question came again: "ah yuh okayyyy"?. honestly this question started to get on my nerves. i replied yes, with a big smile and started to fuck the non-anal girl. both mourned like hell, it was all so artificial i didn't like it. after about 7-10 minutes i asked the anal girl to prepare herself for anal, she put some gel on her ass and i started to fuck her. after about 2 minutes the question: "ah yuh okayyyy"?. fuck i thought. i pretended i didn't hear the question and just kept going on. about 4-5 minutes later the anal-girl told me i was hurting her and that she needed a brake. well, ok.,. my dick wasn't that hard anymore and i said ok.

again, we took now a third comprehensive and detailed shower and went to the bed. there i got my second massage. i felt a little bit tired and not really horny anymore. then the same stupid question came "ah yuh okayyyy"?. fuck yes, i was ok if you won't ask this question anymore. after some while i asked the girls to suck my dick, they did, it was good, i saw myself in the mirror and was happy. one of the girls started to penetrate the other with a small vibrator, i got horny watching it for some time and when i started to fuck one of them(of course with lots of loud artificisal mourning and "yes fuck meeee", a gentle knock was on the door, my time was over. it wasn't really my best 3some. i am sure some do, the place is great and the monsieur is great too, it wasn't my day. total damage: 3600baht + ladydrinks, a total of 4500 baht +a 100x "ah yuh okayyyy"? ahh yes, i tipped the ladies, i mean they really tried their best but this best wasn't good enough for me. sorry monsieur!

i headed to patpong got a bbjb at star of light, it was great, much more fun for the money. i love the place. i might go there today again or i might go and try [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.

[QUOTE=Guido88]BOB1000

Nice looking hotel. How is the noise level?

Guido88[/QUOTE]It's a way away from the action (well, 5 minutes walk), so pretty quiet. Trade off is the walk but they have a tuk-tuk (electric, so also quiet) at any time you want it. Tip the guy, no problems, call them up to pick you up.

Not a bad hotel for the very cheap price (if it's still on opening specials like it was at the start of the year). Can't comment on breakfast, but the pool is really really cold.

A little hard to find - head down Soi 4, past a school on the RHS, turn right at the Woraburi.

[quote=bob1000]the boss suites is gf. i stayed there many times in recent months. you can however arrange for the place to pick up the girl id in the front desk if you wish-for extra security. russian chics are available at the raja hotel coffee shop toward the end of soi 4. if you are too lazy to walk the 500 meters or so to get there, just ask the tut tut driver from the boss suites to take you there and back (make sure you get the driver mobile and tip him well).[/quote]thanks bob. the tips are really neat. thanks for the effort and appreciated.

now one more q.

shall i carry- 1. indian rupees(inr), 2. usd, 3. thb?

off course carrying inr is easiest for me. but may not be welcomed by receivers.

so whats the way out?

[QUOTE=Desi Guy]Had a horrible experience at Scratch Dog in the Windsor Hotel (Soi 20 Sukhumvit) recently. Paid 500 baht for hookah. When the coals died in 30 minutes, the venue wouldn't replace them and demanded another 500 baht. Something I've never seen done ANYWHERE else. Usually more coal is free or has a nominal cost and certainly not an entire new hookah, especially when you're shelling out 500 baht. Worse, when we were using the hookah as the coals were dying the staff was hovering over our hookah and quickly snagged it away unprompted. The attitude by the staff there is really too much. I've vowed never to return.[/QUOTE]Hey Desi,

Having a couple of Thai chicks around you will prevent the hover and swipe.

It's the kind of place where you really have to take charge and not be skimpy on the drinks, especially when it gets late. If you guys aren't tipping, not ordering more drinks/bowls/coals, you're gone. It sucks, but that's the place. (I've connected with some really hot strange there that I STILL have on my phone, so not in the position to complain too much.) Having chicks around really seems to smooth everything out nicely.

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Foodland is on Soi 5. Took Lae Dee is the restaurant inside foodland but never paid much attention what is above it, thought it was some type of bar but you can call or email them and ask.[/QUOTE]I seem to recall that the restaurant above Foodland was called Thai House 2, but I'm not sure it's there anymore - I'll take a look the next time I pass by.

[QUOTE=Easyease] Then the same stupid question came "Ah yuh okayyyy"?. Fuck yes, I was ok if you won't ask this question anymore.[/QUOTE]Interesting. I knew a ho I met first in Singapore and later spotted in bar beer in phuket and this too was her stock phrase. Drove me fuckin nuts. The tone was not so much inquiring about my well-being. But one that you reserve for someone who has fallen down the staircase. Very fkin annoyin. I had to cut the ***** loose just for saying that shit over and over.

It would be a bizarre coincidence if this was the same woman.

[QUOTE=JHolmesJr]Interesting. I knew a ho I met first in Singapore and later spotted in bar beer in phuket and this too was her stock phrase. Drove me fuckin nuts. The tone was not so much inquiring about my well-being. But one that you reserve for someone who has fallen down the staircase. Very fkin annoyin. I had to cut the ***** loose just for saying that shit over and over.

It would be a bizarre coincidence if this was the same woman.[/QUOTE]

Crazy. I was just signing on to write about last night's experience, and hadn't thought to include this but I had the exact same thing happen last night! Not nearly to that extent, but maybe three or four times, "darling, are you ok?"

Just chalked it up to bad English (which was certainly the case) and basically ignored. In fact, a good mental tactic might be to reply totally out of context. For instance:

Thai Lady: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "your pussy tastes great"

TL: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "I wanna rub oil all over your body and rub my bald head all over you" (forgot the exact George Costanza quote, but something like that)

TL: "Ah you okay?"
Punter: "I love Thailand"

or whatever.

Cheers,

-B-

I was initially heading to visit a friend that works in a bar in Patpong but say some bodies that caught my eye and dove in. Glad I did. The gogo story is same old same old more or less. Saw a 19-yr old with a porn star body, funny across body language while she was on stage, after which quickly instructed the mama to buy her a tequila which landed her by my side with hugs, kisses, and some groping by both of us. Typical pushing of mamas and other girls for drinks and to BF the girl, which after a short time I just decided to skip the girl (aforementioned friend) I was gonna visit and ST this one. BF 500 baht.

Headed out to the ST hotel and bought her a sexy little maid outfit (600 baht.) Immediately asked for LT, but her English was so bad that she just proceeded to walk toward the ST hotel and say "LT later." I finally gave up and decided to just enjoy the moments.

In the hotel (500 baht) and she took a shower - for like 15+ min with the door locked. Cracks me up how Thai girls who are dancing semi-naked or naked on stage and fuck us are often shy in any other context. Anyway, finally finished, took my shower, and came out to her in her see-thru maid outfit. Instructed her to dance around a bit which led to her lap dancing and sucking every part of my body, then to a long 69 followed by CFS in multiple posish's - very energetic effort on her part, which was a nice bonus (above and beyond the spectacular view.) I decided to just finish inside, though in retrospect I should have taken off the condom and finished on her C cup tits.

2000 baht as per mama's (written) instructions. So all told, 500 for BF, 500 for ST hotel, 600 for outfit, and 2000 ST = 3600 baht out of pocket.

Stupid part was I forgot to take pictures. Had my cell phone camera, which is actually pretty good, on me. Damnit. Now I'll have to have her back to my hotel if I want to get them, and it's gonna be a chore making sure she brings the outfit since she speaks almost no English.

Just went home after (though later ended up with a friend who wanted to "chat" and banging her until 5am...another story and not really worth telling). Funny thing was the King's girl called me three times that night and then NINE times today. I guess she's trying to follow up on the LT proposal. May have to take her up on that soon, god bless her and her rocking body!

-B-

[quote=easyease]hi dear fellow mongers,
....
second day i headed to eden, i was never there.
...
"ah yuh okayyyy"? ahh yes, i tipped the ladies, i mean they really tried their best but this best wasn't good enough for me. sorry monsieur!

i headed to patpong got a bbjb at star of light, it was great, much more fun for the money. i love the place. i might go there today again or i might go and try [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s.[/quote]
go imagine if the monsieur asked you "ça va tout bien?" ? lol (subtitle for the non-french speaking...."ah yuh okayyyy"? )
seriously speaking have heard too tons of positive reports and your rather than being negative is more "nothing so extraordinary"
the fame of eden is known for the 3-some and all the coreography of the yellow line etc etc
i ave never tried it myself, seems attractive but the fear is to feel what you felt
a bit of production line with fixed reference points (are you ok), a routine to be followed (no anal soon) just like the food is served at mcdonald or coffe at starbucks: seems customer oriented but at the end a bit mechanical, like they could care the less.
happens in quite some joints or the risk is there.
still my personal feeling the chances in places like eden are higher.
it became an icon in bkk and is victim of its own success.

[quote=cometoak]thanks bob. the tips are really neat. thanks for the effort and appreciated.

now one more q.

shall i carry- 1. indian rupees(inr), 2. usd, 3. thb?

off course carrying inr is easiest for me. but may not be welcomed by receivers.

so whats the way out?[/quote]

why would you carry indian rupees to any foreign country? no one will accept them. buy thb if you can in india (i assume that's where you are) or bring usd and change them in bangkok.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1].....2000 baht as per mama's (written) instructions. So all told, 500 for BF, 500 for ST hotel, 600 for outfit, and 2000 ST = 3600 baht out of pocket.

-B-[/QUOTE]You forgot the bar drinks...:)
Pity we can't see her, but do not use pictures for ISG to repeat, LOL
We are not worth 3000 (if she doesnt forget the maid outfit) for a set of pictures :)
Unless you deem absoltely necessary, then we are happy to see the pictures and let you have another round. LOL

[QUOTE=Jendabaze]However, there is one question that I'm not clear on. Would the Go GO dancers and the bar girls go to my hotel for ST or would they insist on going to a room in the bar or a close by hotel?
.[/QUOTE]

Picked up a spinner from the Nana car park>
"How much, honey?"
"1000 Baht for ST"
"Ohh... can not... 500 ok?"
"OK, where you stay?"
Off we went, the usual procedure and after the deed was done had a shower. But then, little Nui slipped back under the blanket:
"You want to stay?"
"Yes, l like soft bed. Nice"

She only left next day lunchtime after another 2 rounds. The bed was in the JW Mariott :-)..a wise investment of 3500+ for the room, instead of staying in a dump and overspending on bar fines. Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.

They must learn the phrase on Day 1 of "Bargirl/companion" school. I've had this happen over and over again. It generally happens in bed in some context it seems. In preparation. Cuddling, foreplay, and after sex especially.

I guess they figure it's fine because they are asking if there's anything they can do for you.

"Yeah, don't ever f%kn say "are you ok ever again! " LOL.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Crazy. I was just signing on to write about last night's experience, and hadn't thought to include this but I had the exact same thing happen last night! Not nearly to that extent, but maybe three or four times, "darling, are you ok?"

Just chalked it up to bad English (which was certainly the case) and basically ignored. In fact, a good mental tactic might be to reply totally out of context. For instance:

Thai Lady: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "your pussy tastes great"

TL: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "I wanna rub oil all over your body and rub my bald head all over you" (forgot the exact George Costanza quote, but something like that)

TL: "Ah you okay?"
Punter: "I love Thailand"

or whatever.

Cheers,

-B-[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]2000 baht as per mama's (written) instructions. So all told, 500 for BF, 500 for ST hotel, 600 for outfit, and 2000 ST = 3600 baht out of pocket.[/QUOTE]

Oh that old chestnut, the mamasans love there price lists these days, was It laminated by any chance, and said short time 2000b, long time 4000b ?

I just Ignore them most the time If they give me the newbie (mug) welcome,
can't be bothered with them.

Though sounds like you had a good session anyway, I've not been to Patpong for a while, Is the talent still fair? And the drink prices still reasonable?

[QUOTE=Botaki6]She only left next day lunchtime after another 2 rounds. The bed was in the JW Mariott :-)..a wise investment of 3500+ for the room, instead of staying in a dump and overspending on bar fines. Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.[/QUOTE]


I've had this happen a good number of times in non-luxury hotels.

If you've ever seen the types of closets some of these girls live in, what we consider a dump is luxury to them.

[QUOTE=Botaki6] Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.[/QUOTE]


If only it was this simple; staying in upscale hotel can be a plus and impress some of the girls but others may see it as their opportunity to gorge themselves off their opulent catch. The idea being if you can afford a place like the Marriott you can afford to pay them more. Chances are they’ve stay at places like the Marriott before and impress as they may be or pretend to be, they are way more impress with the baht.

[QUOTE=Botaki6]Picked up a spinner from the Nana car park>
"How much, honey?"
"1000 Baht for ST"
"Ohh... can not... 500 ok?"
"OK, where you stay?"
Off we went, the usual procedure and after the deed was done had a shower. But then, little Nui slipped back under the blanket:
"You want to stay?"
"Yes, l like soft bed. Nice"

She only left next day lunchtime after another 2 rounds. The bed was in the JW Mariott :-)..a wise investment of 3500+ for the room, instead of staying in a dump and overspending on bar fines. Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.[/QUOTE]You think it's the hotel? A lot of those SW Nana chicks live in total absolute abject poverty, sending every Baht to their, mother, brother, kid, etc.

Question: Where would you want to sleep? In a bed, in a real bedroom, with a shower & breakfast with a pretty decent guy? Or, in a shitty moldy smelling bed with 3 girls and a drunk Thai brother in law? Or hell, maybe even just on the floor with a 150 Baht kiddie mattress from 'Big C'. In any case, with no air, no TV, and a mess of half folded clothes, shitty makeup & cheap flip-flops all over the place. And fuck it, a lot of times there's nothing to come home to but a busted fan and a skinny rotten toothed heavily tattooed Thai guy waiting for his Saeng Som whiskey money, and nothing else. Answer: "Duh. "

A good buddy from Hawaii stays at the Honey Hotel (Soi 19, 800 Baht/night he loves it,) he says that they ALL want to stay over, (for free,) saying "I stay you, I take care you. "

End of story.

I know it's great to stay in a terrific room, impress the chicks to no end, and have them all beg to stay over. But really, it ain't the hotel.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]Oh that old chestnut, the mamasans love there price lists these days, was It laminated by any chance, and said short time 2000b, long time 4000b ?

I just Ignore them most the time If they give me the newbie (mug) welcome,
can't be bothered with them.

Though sounds like you had a good session anyway, I've not been to Patpong for a while, Is the talent still fair? And the drink prices still reasonable?[/QUOTE]

Not laminated. Actually I thought it was both funny and in an odd was convenient (for my lazy self) that it was just written down for me.

Patpong is probably still the same as it was a couple or few years ago - some definite talent hiding with a lot of fugglies. Probably need to go fairly early to find the talent as I can't imagine how some of those girls ever get BF'd and so likely the good ones are gone by later (or if lucky already done a ST and are back.)

No idea about the drink prices. I never pay attention to that. It's a few pennies in the overall scheme of things (though in sum I probably spend more on drinks actually, which granted is a bit stupid but I enjoy it.)

Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? The more specific you can be the better. I always feel like I have to buy a certain amount of drinks before I BF just to keep the company of the girl, lest she be put back on stage. How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?

Thanks

-B-

I live across from Patpong, so I go there once in awhile...[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Patpong is probably still the same as it was a couple or few years ago - some definite talent hiding with a lot of fugglies. Probably need to go fairly early to find the talent as I can't imagine how some of those girls ever get BF'd and so likely the good ones are gone by later (or if lucky already done a ST and are back.)[/QUOTE]There are quite a few decent looking women sprinkled around Patpong...Safari Bar, Black Pagoda, Electric Blue, Bada Bing, some of the King's bars...but it varies from night to night. Late night at Twilo Club you can sometimes find pretty ones after they get off work and are still hunting for customers.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]No idea about the drink prices. I never pay attention to that. It's a few pennies in the overall scheme of things (though in sum I probably spend more on drinks actually, which granted is a bit stupid but I enjoy it.) [/QUOTE]Drinks in Patpong are generally cheaper than Cowboy. The clubs with music charge more (e.g., Twilo).

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? The more specific you can be the better. I always feel like I have to buy a certain amount of drinks before I BF just to keep the company of the girl, lest she be put back on stage. How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?[/QUOTE]You can sit alone, say "no," and then pick the girl you want to buy the drink for. But it will be hard to keep your chosen girl's interest if you say "no" while considering your interest and discussing barfine options. They have drink quotas and are honestly thirsty. A drink for the "-san" that you asked to get the girl for you does not hurt for future forays into the bar.

For the pesky ones, maybe bring an empty wallet with just enough for a drink or two, and show it and say, [i]"mai me satang...or satang nit noi..."[/i] The pesky ones can be a real pain in the arse, though, when they don't give up. It can spoil the fun for me and often I just leave.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]They must learn the phrase on Day 1 of "Bargirl/companion" school. I've had this happen over and over again. It generally happens in bed in some context it seems. In preparation. Cuddling, foreplay, and after sex especially.

I guess they figure it's fine because they are asking if there's anything they can do for you.

"Yeah, don't ever f%kn say "are you ok ever again! " LOL.[/QUOTE]I saw an hilarious (and stupidly did not buy) booklet in Thailand.
Title "English for thai bar girls", with thai text and english text
In most cases it is translation of thai sentences off the thai habits, so often non-sense when translated in english.
Just like british greets anyone with "how are you", but not much bothered to know in reality how are you :)
But there were also a lot of "working" technicalities such as:
"you shower first"
"you make ne horny"
"first go 7-11"
"where you from?"
"you are too big"
"you have condom?"
and so on so forth
including the typical family problems,
"you help me and my family honey?"
grandmother sickness,
mother terminal cancer
brother at the university,
grandad's water buffalo being sick....:)

An essential handbook for the WG or BG! lol

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?[/QUOTE]Barfine the girl, 600 Baht, overall it's probably cheaper. Then you can then just sit around (and goof around) with your honey all you want. Personally, I love this, I get the girls to do some amazing shit just sitting there! (My norm is to take two.)

Off the mama: The mamasans react to a sense of humor, after barfining, when the mamasan comes over to buzz you for a drink, look deeply into your little cuties eyes, then dart a look to the mama, and whisper simply: "All my money is for my new girlfriend", (said with your very best lawyerly pearlies, thereby igniting her dark cloudy retinas into submission.) Then while holding the smile for an extra moment, move your head slightly back and forth in the negative, and, while keeping elbow in close to your side, slowly offer an open handed gesture that resembles a laser guided backmap to her barstool. Done correctly the effect is purely subliminal, virtually unseen, and no loss of face for anyone. But they all instantly understand what this infers: [b]"NO". [/b]

Works for me every time.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I've had this happen a good number of times in non-luxury hotels.

If you've ever seen the types of closets some of these girls live in, what we consider a dump is luxury to them.[/QUOTE]
Very true, but if one has the possibility of treating himrself well is also nice.
Something is screwing a girl in a low average room and something is screwing her in a very comfortable place where both can enjoy the environment.
I agree also that if they see the luxurious hotel the can try to milk more money from you.
One can always say to her that the hotel is paid by his company but she is paid by his own pocket, if it was for him he could not afford such a luxurious hotel :) "..so let's enjoy it, darling!"

I'm visiting BK for the 1st time and got some Qs about money exchange..

Hope this is the right place to ask the Qs..

I'm hoping some guidance from vetearns especially from India.

which is best way to carry money from India...?(i know bundles in a suitcase is the right answer)

USD or THB?

Do we get THB in India?... or shall I convert INR to USD in India and then convert again to THB in BK?

Do they convert INR to THB in BK?

Which ic cheapest way to convert?

Some inputs Pls..

Thanks
Ak

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? [/QUOTE]There's this thing we humans do. Shake our head from side to side when she / he / they / it asks. You can do it w/ a slight smile / smirk if so inclined.

[quote=crypton]why would you carry indian rupees to any foreign country? no one will accept them. buy thb if you can in india (i assume that's where you are) or bring usd and change them in bangkok.[/quote]
although you are right since the rupee is not convertible, you can exchange rupees in bkk and for that matter in hkg. you get it changed from indian traders. however, the exchange rate is not that good.

and please don't ask me where as it was a year or so ago and did not take his phone/contact info. i don't normally do this, but had some extra cash when i left india.

having said that, it is best to bring usd when you travel outside india.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]Not laminated. Actually I thought it was both funny and in an odd was convenient (for my lazy self) that it was just written down for me.

Patpong is probably still the same as it was a couple or few years ago - some definite talent hiding with a lot of fugglies. Probably need to go fairly early to find the talent as I can't imagine how some of those girls ever get BF'd and so likely the good ones are gone by later (or if lucky already done a ST and are back.)

No idea about the drink prices. I never pay attention to that. It's a few pennies in the overall scheme of things (though in sum I probably spend more on drinks actually, which granted is a bit stupid but I enjoy it.)

Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? The more specific you can be the better. I always feel like I have to buy a certain amount of drinks before I BF just to keep the company of the girl, lest she be put back on stage. How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?

Thanks

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If anyone demands a drink from me I wouldn't be Impressed, I have no problem buying a drink for one of the staff or mamasan If they've been helpful or had sanuk together, but some staff will take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], hoping the guy Is soft, would the staff ask a thai customer for a drink?

Of course If your Interested In one of the girls, a drink Is very much expected by them, It's an Investment to have time for a Interview, but watch out for the hustlers who will literally order a tequila, slam It down and then say, "must go dance now" One thing I have started doing In places like Patong beach where lady drinks are overpriced at 150b+ Is to give the girl 100b tip, rather than buy a drink, why let the bar profit when they try to take the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]?

But there Is no need to buy lots of drinks for your chosen lucky lady, or to all her sisters and friends who might descend, If someone keeps demanding a drink from me I would totally blank them, sometimes to get respect you have to show your not weak.

All depends on the girl and you, like sharks can smell blood, bargirls can sense that this customer Is a mug who will buy drinks for everybody, obviously some girls are just In the bar to hustle, and make money from drinks-tips-fooken ping-pong balls BS, things have gotten so extreme that some of the top gogo divas are making 80-100k a month before they even open their legs! but If you have good game, even these girls can be had for a least amount of battering of your wallet.

Here's a question for the Bangkok regulars. On our way from the airport to the Majestic Grande, the taxi took my wife and I through a neighborhood where there were lot of young girls, freelancers it appeared, who were signaling to passing cars with flashlights they were carrying. Some of these girls were stunning.

We were talking about this tonight, as we'll be making our second trip to Thailand in November. My wife is bi and loves the Thai girls too.

Does anyone know what neighborhood or part of Bangkok this would be?

I went to Fantasia (amongst others. LOL) in NEP and BF'd a delightful, young, cute, slim, gorgeous, tiny, smooth-skinned lady. Took her back to my hotel (Landmark) and was lucky enough not to be stopped by security. I would have been embarrassed because I am more than 3 times her age! I know I shouldn't be, but that's just me.

We had a nice enough time, but it was a bit overshadowed by her concerns for my size. Nice problem to have eh? Still, it was very good, but not totally outstanding.

Next night I saw her again in Fantasia, but decided not to BF her. Instead, I got picked up by a FL in Huntsman Pub in basement of Landmark Hotel. I've written a separate report on this somewhat embarassing experience under Bangkok Hotels titled "Landmark Hotel. Joiner Fee Workaround".

Next night I went to Fantasia again and sat with my little friend for a while but I was determined not to BF her and take her back to the hotel, because I would have died with embarrassment if stopped by security. I told her the reason and she told me that there was a ST Hotel in the building. Now, I'd been to a ST Hotel in Nana some years ago and it was pretty awful. I told her I didn't want to go to a crappy hotel. She insisted that this one was new and very nice, 'like your hotel, just small'.

Because I was now thinking with my small head and not the one on my shoulders, I agreed. We walked out, around the corner of the balcoy about 20 steps away was the "Hollywood Inn". It's new and it's great. THB400. Clean and modern and comfortable. No smell, which is something that's virtually guaranteed to give me shrinkage.

This second time was awesome. She knew what to expect and accommodated my wonderfully well. I can highly recommend this arrangement if you are all uncomfortable about taking a girl back to your room.

Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?

Can be a serious annoyance when they cum after 5 minutes and then their pussies are too sore to go on.


(Assume it's a real cum and not a fake)

hi, i posted in the pattaya section, but will ask here. been a few years since i was in los.

looking for some mirrors in bkk, on bed level, fun to see girls spread eagled and me "chock a block" pumping them, or a wake up good morning wet slobbering blow job. all guys deserve this.

any suggestions on (i) mirror hotels in bkk and (ii) best bj specialist (other than star of light/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s). nataree is supposed to be very good.

[QUOTE=Mealticket]There's this thing we humans do. Shake our head from side to side when she / he / they / it asks. You can do it w/ a slight smile / smirk if so inclined.[/QUOTE]
Yah, just shake your head and SMILE then break eye contact fast. They'll get the hint.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]Looking for some mirrors in BKK, on bed level, fun to see girls spread eagled and me "chock a block" pumping them, or a wake up good morning wet slobbering blow job. All guys deserve this.
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Citadines in Bkk (I prefer the one on Soi 16) and Ever Rich Inn would be good choices bed level mirrors.

[url]http://www.citadines.com[/url]

[url]http://www.everrichinn.com/room.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?

Can be a serious annoyance when they cum after 5 minutes and then their pussies are too sore to go on.


(Assume it's a real cum and not a fake)[/QUOTE]

That's a new one for me, how can their pussies be sore from cumming? Sensitive perhaps, sounds like the lady Is taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], If this happens again, so no problem tirak If pussy sore, I fuck you In arse, lol.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]That's a new one for me, how can their pussies be sore from cumming? Sensitive perhaps, sounds like the lady Is taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url], If this happens again, so no problem tirak If pussy sore, I fuck you In arse, lol.[/QUOTE]


Sensitive is what I meant.

[QUOTE=Bonzo1]I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)[/QUOTE]

In a couple of places in Bangkok, if you get into a waiting taxi, they'll tell you a high price and not turn the meter on. If you ask them to turn the meter on they'll either do so or not; if they don't, any moving taxi will turn the meter on.

In the gogos, there are a lot of girls who will state a price 500 or 1000 baht higher than going rate (e.g. "2000 baht!"). If you respond with a smile ("1500 baht"), they'll generally run off to get the mamasan without so much as pausing to nod in agreement.

There's no earthly reason to pay the chancer price, not for a taxi and not for a girl, and it isn't even a matter of negotiation.

Of course, there are also plenty of cases where it's less clear cut, where you figure out a deal on the spot for what it's worth to you.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.[/QUOTE]

Completely agreed. The girls are young, with limited experience of the world. Well, lots of experience of a very narrow slice. They have a tough job, and try to learn fast and survive, but they're obviously at a disadvantage. Watch out for them, but take care of them as well.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.[/QUOTE]

Ha, I'm enjoying the cool weather compared to four or five months ago!

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?

Can be a serious annoyance when they cum after 5 minutes and then their pussies are too sore to go on.


(Assume it's a real cum and not a fake)[/QUOTE]It is your business not to excite them fast; don't rush to climaxing, if you feel they are closing to the point of no return; take a break and break a smile of satisfaction, although do never think that women with high sex drive can easily be manipulated into "sobering up", if they have a good time with you.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?
[/QUOTE]You mean the girls can orgasm? Who knew?

[QUOTE=Finn Mccool]Here's a question for the Bangkok regulars. On our way from the airport to the Majestic Grande, the taxi took my wife and I through a neighborhood where there were lot of young girls, freelancers it appeared, who were signaling to passing cars with flashlights they were carrying. Some of these girls were stunning.

Does anyone know what neighborhood or part of Bangkok this would be?[/QUOTE]

Not entirely sure but my guess is that you are talking about the street girls outside what used to be the old Siam Hotel. They tore the hotel down a few years back but I've also seen the freelancers there while coming in from the airport but never saw the flashlights. I've been told it's mainly a scene for the Thais and very few of the girls speak any English. But some of them did look nice in catching a quick flash as we drove by but often I have found with street girls that with better lighting and closer inspection you have to re-evaluate that first impression. They also have street girls around Lumpini Park and one night I did the circle on foot and didn't see one that looked remotely attractive. The old Siam Hotel is on Petcheburi Road (parallell to Sukhumvit)near Asoke.

[QUOTE=B9999]I went to Fantasia (amongst others. LOL) in NEP and BF'd a delightful, young, cute, slim, gorgeous, tiny, smooth-skinned lady. Took her back to my hotel (Landmark) and was lucky enough not to be stopped by security. I would have been embarrassed because I am more than 3 times her age! [/QUOTE]B9999, you dirty old man. I hope I live long enough to be just like you!

[QUOTE=Run Mann]Citadines in Bkk (I prefer the one on Soi 16) and Ever Rich Inn would be good choices bed level mirrors.

[url]http://www.citadines.com[/url]

[url]http://www.everrichinn.com/room.html[/url][/QUOTE]Run Mann, thanks for bringing up Citadines. I used to stay in their locations around France. I had no idea they had places in Thailand. This is a very viable option in BKK for 1500 baht/day.

As far as Ever Rich, I used to use the tailor exclusively before moving on to Pattaya. I did tour the rooms before. They are a bit crowded with the king size bed taking up most of the space in the room. I can't remember if there were mirrors or not.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Run Mann, thanks for bringing up Citadines. I used to stay in their locations around France. I had no idea they had places in Thailand. This is a very viable option in BKK for 1500 baht/day.

As far as Ever Rich, I used to use the tailor exclusively before moving on to Pattaya. I did tour the rooms before. They are a bit crowded with the king size bed taking up most of the space in the room. I can't remember if there were mirrors or not.[/QUOTE]

Citadines has four locations in BKK and they frequently offer special rates from their website, they are one of the better deals in Thailand. You can see the mirror in some of the pics from the Ever Rich site but you're right about the rooms being small. ER is not for any kind of long term stay but everyone there is pretty cool and friendly.

[QUOTE=Barko]Barfine the girl, 600 Baht, overall it's probably cheaper. Then you can then just sit around (and goof around) with your honey all you want. Personally, I love this, I get the girls to do some amazing shit just sitting there! (My norm is to take two.)

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Brilliant, simple advice (almost "duh" simple...why did I not think of THAT before!) Thanks!!

Hi to all,

Can anyone recommend some hotel, service apartment or condo for stay in Bangkok for one month.

What is best value for money?

Accommodation must be girl friendly on good location, I think best is near BTS.

Thank you for suggestions.

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

Some of you may have noticed a young looking petite black girl with a cute smiling face and a stunning body. She often wears a black top and a colored mini skirt. In the past days I had made a mental note and so when I saw her between soi 5 and 7 I approached her to have some chat before making my decision.

She claims she is from Kenya, that she is 25 and that has worked here for about 4 months. However from her accent and her way of smiling and joking I am almost sure that she is nigerian.

I decided to invite her for a drink and after an initial hesitation (I need to be paid for my time.) she accepted and she followed me to one of the beer bars near NEP. During the following 15/20 minutes we had good time together, we joked about all the bs that she tried to tell me (her name, nationality, her accomodation in BKK.) and we even kissed a couple of times, all very GFE.

Then we discussed about business. She initially asked for 2K bht ST but I told her that I normally pay no more than 1K and that that includes a BBBJ (for which she initially wanted an extra). Also the negotiation went on in a very friendly and cheerful way and in the end she accepted to go for 1K without (apparently) taking it badly.

When at the bar she received the first call on her mobile. My guess is that someone was controlling her.

Off we went to a short time hotel at the beginning of soi 3. Once in the room I undressed her, she helped me with my clothes and then we went for the (cold) shower.

I think that this girl has the best looking body that I have seen in the last 5 or 6 years: an ass to die for, rock solid and round as only a black girl can have, an incredible pair of boobs, round, full, firm and with small and pointy nipples, a smooth and flawless chocolate skin and not a gram of unnecessary fat. Simply fantastic.

I was so horny I could not resist, after some long and passionate DFK I went down on her and (despite the second phone call) in no time she was wet and ready. Then the problems started.

She took me in her mouth (BB as promised) but her poor technique and lack enthusiasm made me change my mind after few seconds. So I put on a condom and got ready to take her missionary. Even if she was still wet she insisted to put some KY in her pussy before I got in.

During the intercurse she didn't move one single muscle (except for the left hand to pick the third phone call), she just spread her legs enough to let me in and maybe she continued breathing. She let me dfk and touch her but for the rest it was like fucking a dead body.

After a couple of minutes I asked her to lay on her stomach and got her from behind but again she did not respond in any way to my efforts. So I stood up, took off the condom and told her that we were finished. She offered to wank me but I refused, went to the shower and then got dressed.

Before leaving (and after pocketing 500 bht that I had left near her bag), she apologised and told me that she felt very bad about her work in Thailand and that actually she had no idea on how to please a man.

When I asked if she had been "circumcised" (nigerians often use this word instead of infibulation) she just smiled to me, of course she had.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?

In this holiday I was just only one day in Bangkok.

I went in Thermae but many japanese and expensive ladies.

I found many freelancers on Sukhmvit R. Between soi 4 and soi 7/1 for 1.000b st give me very good FS with anal.

Would like to share my impressions at Midnite. I must say I had a great time there a few days ago. Prices of drinks are pretty expensive. Singha : 155 if I remember well, lady drink 200. BF : 700

But I found this bar quite nice, with a good layout, good music and lightening and a great number of very attractive, cute, friendly and well dressed girls. Check number 34, she has just the perfect body and a very cute face.

They also have nice shows.

Above all there is, in my opinion, an absolute treasure in this bar. Her name is Bun (sorry if I write it incorrectly). It means apple in Thai. She performs a lot of the shows, you can't miss her. Not very tall, very small breast, certainly not the kind of girl you would call a sex bomb at first. However when she starts dancing and performing she is just incredibly gracefull and elegant. I found the way she moves on stage, most of the time completely nude, so sensual. It turned me on.

I invited her for a drink and found she has a quite unique personality as well. So different from the typical predictable bargirls.

Her younger sister works in the bar as well . Don't remember her name. She is also very good looking, same type of small breast but taller. And a very good dancer.

Well I invite you to visit the place and tell me what you think of the bar and little Bun ! Or has anybody already met her ?

I would love to see her again next time I am in Bangkok …..

[QUOTE=Frazer]Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?[/QUOTE]Frazer, thanks for taking one for the team. It is greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=Zacapagold]Hi to all,

Can anyone recommend some hotel, service apartment or condo for stay in Bangkok for one month.

What is best value for money?

Accommodation must be girl friendly on good location, I think best is near BTS.

Thank you for suggestions.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.omnibangkok.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Zacapagold]Can anyone recommend some hotel, service apartment or condo for stay in Bangkok for one month.

What is best value for money?

Accommodation must be girl friendly on good location, I think best is near BTS.
[/QUOTE]In general for long stays it would be better to speak in person with the hotel as the rates can be much lower than those officially offered. Take into account that normally these long term rates are not advertised through Agoda (or other online dealers), therefore the hotels are not obliged to respect the lowest price guaranteed clause. Also consider that this summer is being a quite tough one for the thai tourism (at least in BKK), so don't be afraid to inquire about promotions even when you are being quoted a price by the hotel itself.

Now some suggestions:

Grand President in soi 11. They are currently offering a long term promotion starting from thb 34.000. ([url]http://www.grandpresident.com/offers.php[/url]). The good old Topaz Studios have been recently refurbished and are reasonably comfortable even if they are a bit small, especially for a one-month stay. 100% guest friendly, at 5 minutes walking from Nana BTS.

Bless residence in soi 33. This is a brand new hotel with a terrific rooftop swimming pool. The rooms are much larger and more luxurious than GP as well as more expensive. In their site they advertise monthly rates starting from 53000 bht ([url]http://www.blessresidence.com/blesswebroomstyle.php[/url]) but I am sure you can negotiate it down. This is a residence as well as hotel, so for long stays don't forget to inquire about the electricity charges. (if you use a lot the AC, you may consume even 100/150 units a month, so do your math). most likely girl friendly (however ask first), at 5 minutes from Phrong Pong BTS

Cape house Sukhumvit in soi 10. This is a well known thai residence chain with branches in Suk, Lang Suan, Pratunam, etc... Their rooms are good even if less spacious and new than Bless. They offer monthly rates starting from 50K + taxes+ electricity ([url]http://www.capehouse.com/reservation/index.asp[/url]). Again, you may want to ask them personally for promotions when you are here or on the phone from your place.

Inquire also about their guest policy (even if they are serviced apartments, so in principle there should be no problem). They are deep in soi 10 but they offer you 24 hours tuk tuk service to and from the Sukhumvit at 2 minutes from Nana BTS.

Hope it helps.

[QUOTE=Frazer]Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.[/QUOTE]Thanks

I was thinking about flying to west nigeria to go ST w/ an overweight thai girl w/ a big afro wig.

[QUOTE=Zacapagold]Hi to all,

Can anyone recommend some hotel, service apartment or condo for stay in Bangkok for one month.[/quote]Try Bless Apartments in Soi 33, near the Office & Mojo's.

[QUOTE=Pytheas Mars]Would like to share my impressions at Midnite. I must say I had a great time there a few days ago. Prices of drinks are pretty expensive. Singha : 155 if I remember well, lady drink 200. BF : 700

But I found this bar quite nice, with a good layout, good music and lightening and a great number of very attractive, cute, friendly and well dressed girls. [/QUOTE]I'm surprised and disagree with some of what you wrote. First, Midnite's music is really poor. They've been playing the same music for too long and its rarely anything new. Secondly, the lighting is very dark and frankly depressing. Also, navigating the winding staircase to get to the bathroom is a pain and not something you want to do after a few drinks! However to each their own. I prefer the lights, music and more affordable prices at Tilac (San Miguel: 135, lady drinks 100, water: 30).

As for the ladies, the most attractive ones are almost always the coyotes that you cannot barfine. I was there last night and they have a few new ones who were extremely cute but at 200/drink they'll drain your wallet but leave you unsatisfied.

I'd have to check out the girl you recommended. I will agree the shows can be good and last night I saw one of the best I've seen with two girls really going at it. More typical of what you'd see in a Pattaya bar and was a lot of fun. Once they were done the place really emptied out.

I have been too busy in China lately but I did want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere ... and it was in Bangkok. It was about 3 weeks ago when I was there. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance. As always, I asked her if she was a ladyboy. I seem to have to ask that. I asked that in Thai and the reply was a shaking of the head and something uttered like like sem-sem. That utterance turned out to be more meaningful than I had bargained for.

Up to the room we went. We started talking but something did not seem quite right. I couldn't put my finger on it. I always try to chat the girls up before I do them. It is just common decency. We had a pleasant enough conversation, she mentioned she did not like the Hotel security people but they always hassle her. Nevertheless, there was that nagging question of something that was gone amiss, something that had gone awry. She then told me that she wanted the money up front. From all the reading I have done on the board, I knew that to be a big mistake and I baulked. I told her that I never, never do that. Never.
She started acting strange. She said, OK, you don't like me, do you? At that point, I didn't but my misgivings gave way to sheer terror at the mere thought of where this was leading to. I flat declared that I did NOT like lady boys at all. That was when the she turned out to be a he as he threw a fit. He told me that he had liked me and that I had been playing with him. I told me that I was no gay and that I really, really, really, really did NOT like ladyboys. Sorry. He then threatened to call the police on me if I didn't give him a thousand baht. I called his bluff and told him to first talk to the Nana Hotel security people. This is a time when speaking some Thai is a great advantage. I told them "phom mai chop katoey leuy. Kao bok gahok. I don't like katoeys at all. He lied to me. He left in a huff, cursing me. I asked them in Thai, why didn't you tell me he was a katoey? Their laughing reply shocked me. Farang chop katoey maak maak!. Farangs like katoeys a lot. I then told them that I did NOT like them and that to tell me next if I brought one in (they have to check the IDs which do indicate the gender).

I was so shaken up by that incident that I decided to act on a kind PM from Giotto who invited me over to Livingston's for a beer. I took a cab over and met the man. He really is a great guy and certainly one of the smartest people that I have ever talked to in Thailand in all my Thai experience. After a couple of hours, I went back to Nana, calmed by my talk with Giotto and decided to try for another girl. It had stopped raining by then and I spotted a girl that really looked undeniably girl-like. I mean, I was really focusing on hard to counterfeit femininity. This girl seem to pass all my questions and I was relieved to see that she passed inspection with the Nana Hotel security people. She was, indeed, a she. It was confirmed, much to my relief.
In my room again, we started chatting in Thai. She said that her father was Moslem, a khaek (Indian) and her mother a Thai. There were none of the weird feelings of the other "girl". I was starting to feel good. She went to take a shower while I was entertaining thoughts of what was going to happen next. She came out wrapped in a towel. Then she sprang it on me: She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.
I was really shaken up by now. I staggered out into the Nana Parking lot more distraught than ever. There were a couple of girls that vied for my attention. I finally told them that I hate katoeys, I only paid after the act. Any problems? No problem, said one of them and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. The girl was extremely girlish. Undeniably so. Slim as I like them though I hate the shaving that seems to blight many girls in Thailand. China is so much better in this respect. She really responded to DATY. In fact, her yoni orifice actually gaped and stayed that way. I had thought that only happened in weird porno pics. She came several times, something which was attestable by the contractions in her vagina. There were even pussy farts when she came! Amazing. Amazing Thailand. Amazing but extraordinarily weird night in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Frazer]Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?[/QUOTE]

Absolutely! It would appear the African girls in the suk/soi5 area have a variety of attitude problems. Nice enough pre-fucked but once the guarantee of income is virtually assured, attitude appears to wane. I too have sampled some black tale in this area, not too bad, but will not bother in future. Interestingly enough, after having reached agreement i have never had an African girl bolt from my room early in all of the years of mongering i have done in Africa, unlike Thais. Astonishing, yes!

As you monger more and more you will always find that as a general rule of thumb (although not exclusive) the "plain jane" or slightly overweight, or perhaps a bit more overweight, girls are always far better in the bed than a stunner.

What do you want is a simple question ? A trophey to parade on your arm, or a real horny girl in the bed.

I know which one I want, although of course sometimes its nice to have a shiny trophey to look at even if it serves no real purpose.

[QUOTE=Frazer]Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

Some of you may have noticed a young looking petite black girl with a cute smiling face and a stunning body. She often wears a black top and a colored mini skirt. In the past days I had made a mental note and so when I saw her between soi 5 and 7 I approached her to have some chat before making my decision.

She claims she is from Kenya, that she is 25 and that has worked here for about 4 months. However from her accent and her way of smiling and joking I am almost sure that she is nigerian.

I decided to invite her for a drink and after an initial hesitation (I need to be paid for my time.) she accepted and she followed me to one of the beer bars near NEP. During the following 15/20 minutes we had good time together, we joked about all the bs that she tried to tell me (her name, nationality, her accomodation in BKK.) and we even kissed a couple of times, all very GFE.

Then we discussed about business. She initially asked for 2K bht ST but I told her that I normally pay no more than 1K and that that includes a BBBJ (for which she initially wanted an extra). Also the negotiation went on in a very friendly and cheerful way and in the end she accepted to go for 1K without (apparently) taking it badly.

When at the bar she received the first call on her mobile. My guess is that someone was controlling her.

Off we went to a short time hotel at the beginning of soi 3. Once in the room I undressed her, she helped me with my clothes and then we went for the (cold) shower.

I think that this girl has the best looking body that I have seen in the last 5 or 6 years: an ass to die for, rock solid and round as only a black girl can have, an incredible pair of boobs, round, full, firm and with small and pointy nipples, a smooth and flawless chocolate skin and not a gram of unnecessary fat. Simply fantastic.

I was so horny I could not resist, after some long and passionate DFK I went down on her and (despite the second phone call) in no time she was wet and ready. Then the problems started.

She took me in her mouth (BB as promised) but her poor technique and lack enthusiasm made me change my mind after few seconds. So I put on a condom and got ready to take her missionary. Even if she was still wet she insisted to put some KY in her pussy before I got in.

During the intercurse she didn't move one single muscle (except for the left hand to pick the third phone call), she just spread her legs enough to let me in and maybe she continued breathing. She let me dfk and touch her but for the rest it was like fucking a dead body.

After a couple of minutes I asked her to lay on her stomach and got her from behind but again she did not respond in any way to my efforts. So I stood up, took off the condom and told her that we were finished. She offered to wank me but I refused, went to the shower and then got dressed.

Before leaving (and after pocketing 500 bht that I had left near her bag), she apologised and told me that she felt very bad about her work in Thailand and that actually she had no idea on how to please a man.

When I asked if she had been "circumcised" (nigerians often use this word instead of infibulation) she just smiled to me, of course she had.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mealticket]Thanks

I was thinking about flying to west nigeria to go ST w/ an overweight thai girl w/ a big afro wig.[/QUOTE]Ehi! My starfish didn't wear a wig!

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.
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From what I can tell, many girls have been stiffed (excuse the pun) by fellow mongers. Many guys will do the deed and then throw the girl out without paying, or paying a reduced sum. These girls are just trying to protect themselves from some shady individuals in a shady profession.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]...I did want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere ... and it was in Bangkok. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance.[/QUOTE]
CL,

Damn, that really was a weird night. And I am glad it finally worked out ok; proving that when you get thrown off a horse the best thing to do is get right back on the saddle again.

Still (and no flame intended), it seems to me like you were looking for love in all the wrong places. For a little extra baht I never run into this sort of stuff at the massage parlors and regular Go Go's I frequent. Once in a while I have seen some very attractive FL's in the Nana Parking lot and Beach Road in Pat (although most are below my cut off point) and I admit I have been tempted, but I always pass on it. Even if a weird night like this is 1 in 1000 anomaly, I prefer certified Grade A Prime Thai pussy. Perhaps the higher risk and adventure is what turns you on. I mean maybe picking up girls in totally "safe" places like Baccara, Thonglor, or Utopia for example is too much like going to Disneyland for you?

[QUOTE=Soilord]I seem to recall that the restaurant above Foodland was called Thai House 2, but I'm not sure it's there anymore - I'll take a look the next time I pass by.[/QUOTE]For the last several years,the place is now a bar,Country Road 2, with good country music and pool tables. I have not seen freelancers there but mostly couples.
FM.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. [/QUOTE]Crazy night indeed CL. And raining too? I think after the second time I would have reverted to jacking off instead!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]CL,

Damn, that really was a weird night. And I am glad it finally worked out ok; proving that when you get thrown off a horse the best thing to do is get right back on the saddle again.

Still (and no flame intended), it seems to me like you were looking for love in all the wrong places. For a little extra baht I never run into this sort of stuff at the massage parlors and regular Go Go's I frequent. Once in a while I have seen some very attractive FL's in the Nana Parking lot and Beach Road in Pat (although most are below my cut off point) and I admit I have been tempted, but I always pass on it. Even if a weird night like this is 1 in 1000 anomaly, I prefer certified Grade A Prime Thai pussy. Perhaps the higher risk and adventure is what turns you on. I mean maybe picking up girls in totally "safe" places like Baccara, Thonglor, or Utopia for example is too much like going to Disneyland for you?[/QUOTE]

I suppose I prefer the wild, wild hunting grounds for a couple of reasons. 1. In the Nana Parking Lot, I have a 50-50 chance of the girl not shaving completely. In gogo bars, this seems to go down to 0 percent. I really don't like shaved pussies but since all the Westerners like girls to look like their post-90's porn flick stars, sans hair, I am forced to put up with it. 2. I don't like paying bar fines, I don't like paying stiff prices for drinks, and I can't talk to the girls very well in bars where the music is blaring away. Massage parlors are great on certain occasions for me but not late at night (OK, I am strange). By the way, I am heading for Macau soon and will go to a sauna, inspired, in part, by some of your reports from there.

I will be going to Thailand in a week and will be staying at Livingston's. I understand it is a bit more upmarket and that many Japanese are customers (Japanese hate the stupid shaving too). Hopefully, Giotto will guide me to where there are quality girls who are also au naturel. While I respect some people's taste, all I ask is for my taste to be represented as well somewhere ... and I am willing to pay for it. China has taught me that: you get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]Crazy night indeed CL. And raining too? I think after the second time I would have reverted to jacking off instead![/QUOTE]

These type of situations get the adrenalin flowing. Never give up!

cl,

everybody’s got different tastes and preferences. when i travel with friends, it’s always interesting to see and compare the different girls my friends and i choose. most of the time, i prefer spinner girls and naked pussy, but sometimes a ‘c’ cup girl, a taller girl, or a furry bush is a real turn on. variety is the spice of life, although i am currently hooked on asian girls. it has been 6 years since i was last in south america.

nobody likes the barfines and expensive drinks. if i lived and worked in bkk, i am sure my habits would change and i would have a few go go gf’s and massage girls on my cell phone speed dial. i would also have the necessary time to hunt and capture the non-pro thai girls. heaven.

since you travel around china a bit, i know you must see a lot of hairy pussy. macau will not let you down although as you know, the saunas are pricey. i will be back in asia in february. macau, ac, mnl and bkk are on the itinerary. let me know if you will be around and i will buy you a drink.

CL

Quite a strange night.

Giotto has his own stable available at the lodge. I am sure he can tell you who has bush or not. Your right he is a good guy.

As too prepayment: the girls/?.... most demanding for up front $ are in my opinion usually poor performers. You correctly showed the two demanding ones the door.


David2

Quote (From what I can tell, many girls have been stiffed (excuse the pun) by fellow mongers. Many guys will do the deed and then throw the girl out without paying, or paying a reduced sum. These girls are just trying to protect themselves from some shady individuals in a shady profession.) Quote

Mongers need to protect themselves from shady individuals and Katoey who bait then switch on services offered.

Never pay up front.

Guido88

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]...
I will be going to Thailand in a week and will be staying at Livingston's. I understand it is a bit more upmarket and that many Japanese are customers (Japanese hate the stupid shaving too). Hopefully, Giotto will guide me to where there are quality girls who are also au naturel.
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[/QUOTE]CL,

I will do my very best ... though I have no idea who has a "bush" and who don't. But somehow - we will find out :).

Btw., Livingstone's has some Japanese customers, but not too many. There are some Japanese KTVs in Soi 33 though.


Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]

Hi Mongers

Nakhon Si Tammarat has some pretty fillies I am told - can anyone enlighten me about this scene ?

Secondly, I am interested in a nice break somewhere, with diving and nice coral, and a nice pair of ladies to come with me for BJ between dives and general entertainment. Any ideas ?

[QUOTE=Giotto]CL,

I will do my very best ... though I have no idea who has a "bush" and who don't. But somehow - we will find out :).

Giotto
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]You have an official mission now!
And fully legitimate as it refers to "customer satisfaction", so start the surveys and interviews!
maybe a pool catwalk? lol

My feeling overall is that both these places have devoted pros and semi-pros there, the semi's may even go for free with some people, but overall the devoted pros are probably more often than not the better value, whereas the semi's are usually there partying with their friends and, in my experience, a lot more fun to pick up (at any price.).

YMMV.

-B-[/QUOTE]Well said. It's a market after all.

I prefer the little chase you get with the freelancers.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]I have been too busy in China lately but I did want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere. And it was in Bangkok. It was about 3 weeks ago when I was there. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance. As always, I asked her if she was a ladyboy. I seem to have to ask that. I asked that in Thai and the reply was a shaking of the head and something uttered like like sem-sem. That utterance turned out to be more meaningful than I had bargained for.

Up to the room we went. We started talking but something did not seem quite right. I couldn't put my finger on it. I always try to chat the girls up before I do them. It is just common decency. We had a pleasant enough conversation, she mentioned she did not like the Hotel security people but they always hassle her. Nevertheless, there was that nagging question of something that was gone amiss, something that had gone awry. She then told me that she wanted the money up front. From all the reading I have done on the board, I knew that to be a big mistake and I baulked. I told her that I never, never do that. Never.

She started acting strange. She said, OK, you don't like me, do you? At that point, I didn't but my misgivings gave way to sheer terror at the mere thought of where this was leading to. I flat declared that I did NOT like lady boys at all. That was when the she turned out to be a he as he threw a fit. He told me that he had liked me and that I had been playing with him. I told me that I was no gay and that I really, really, really, really did NOT like ladyboys. Sorry. He then threatened to call the police on me if I didn't give him a thousand baht. I called his bluff and told him to first talk to the Nana Hotel security people. This is a time when speaking some Thai is a great advantage. I told them "phom mai chop katoey leuy. Kao bok gahok. I don't like katoeys at all. He lied to me. He left in a huff, cursing me. I asked them in Thai, why didn't you tell me he was a katoey? Their laughing reply shocked me. Farang chop katoey maak maak!. Farangs like katoeys a lot. I then told them that I did NOT like them and that to tell me next if I brought one in (they have to check the IDs which do indicate the gender).

I was so shaken up by that incident that I decided to act on a kind PM from Giotto who invited me over to Livingston's for a beer. I took a cab over and met the man. He really is a great guy and certainly one of the smartest people that I have ever talked to in Thailand in all my Thai experience. After a couple of hours, I went back to Nana, calmed by my talk with Giotto and decided to try for another girl. It had stopped raining by then and I spotted a girl that really looked undeniably girl-like. I mean, I was really focusing on hard to counterfeit femininity. This girl seem to pass all my questions and I was relieved to see that she passed inspection with the Nana Hotel security people. She was, indeed, a she. It was confirmed, much to my relief.

In my room again, we started chatting in Thai. She said that her father was Moslem, a khaek (Indian) and her mother a Thai. There were none of the weird feelings of the other "girl". I was starting to feel good. She went to take a shower while I was entertaining thoughts of what was going to happen next. She came out wrapped in a towel. Then she sprang it on me: She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.

I was really shaken up by now. I staggered out into the Nana Parking lot more distraught than ever. There were a couple of girls that vied for my attention. I finally told them that I hate katoeys, I only paid after the act. Any problems? No problem, said one of them and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. The girl was extremely girlish. Undeniably so. Slim as I like them though I hate the shaving that seems to blight many girls in Thailand. China is so much better in this respect. She really responded to DATY. In fact, her yoni orifice actually gaped and stayed that way. I had thought that only happened in weird porno pics. She came several times, something which was attestable by the contractions in her vagina. There were even pussy farts when she came! Amazing. Amazing Thailand. Amazing but extraordinarily weird night in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the lucid detailed report. I too have often wondered what these Africans on Sukhumvit might be like. Usually several young ones hanging about on the corner with a much older heavy set female "handler". For me, I always kept walking for two reasons 1. Can't get the (paranoid) thought of all the West African internet scammers out of my head and 2. It always seemed antithetical to the concept of "when in Rome" (akin to seeking out Italian food in Bangkok, etc.) I will concur so to inform those vicariously visiting through these pages. Several of these girls have bodies to die for. Great that you share what is behind the veil, at least on that occasion.

I hear more and more stories from some BG not getting paid by their customers (many from the Middle East or Subcontinent but also Europeans) after the act. Maybe that happened to her recently?

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist] She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.
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I dont go there anymore after witnessing some ugly scenes where customers got beaten up by security. The fat Mamasan is also a ***** and the girls are way too pushy. I agree tough that some are quite nice looking and being all high on Ice can be good lays.


[QUOTE=Desi Guy]I'm surprised and disagree with some of what you wrote. First, Midnite's music is really poor. They've been playing the same music for too long and its rarely anything new. Secondly, the lighting is very dark and frankly depressing. Also, navigating the winding staircase to get to the bathroom is a pain and not something you want to do after a few drinks! However to each their own. I prefer the lights, music and more affordable prices at Tilac (San Miguel: 135, lady drinks 100, water: 30).

As for the ladies, the most attractive ones are almost always the coyotes that you cannot barfine. I was there last night and they have a few new ones who were extremely cute but at 200/drink they'll drain your wallet but leave you unsatisfied.

I'd have to check out the girl you recommended. I will agree the shows can be good and last night I saw one of the best I've seen with two girls really going at it. More typical of what you'd see in a Pattaya bar and was a lot of fun. Once they were done the place really emptied out.[/QUOTE]

That was probably all small street that run parallel to the railway and Petchaburi. I think its called Thanon Phet Uthai (google it). It only gets busy rather late.

[QUOTE=DRRonin]Not entirely sure but my guess is that you are talking about the street girls outside what used to be the old Siam Hotel. They tore the hotel down a few years back but I've also seen the freelancers there while coming in from the airport but never saw the flashlights. I've been told it's mainly a scene for the Thais and very few of the girls speak any English. But some of them did look nice in catching a quick flash as we drove by but often I have found with street girls that with better lighting and closer inspection you have to re-evaluate that first impression. They also have street girls around Lumpini Park and one night I did the circle on foot and didn't see one that looked remotely attractive. The old Siam Hotel is on Petcheburi Road (parallell to Sukhumvit)near Asoke.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]Nakhon Si Tammarat has some pretty fillies I am told - can anyone enlighten me about this scene ?[/QUOTE]Big area just n. of Carrefour. Walk around up there any evening and you'll get plenty of offers from the girls in front of the various shops.

Suggest you move this to "Other Areas" . . . .

[QUOTE=Dreams]Thanks for summarising so well what many of us, who are sick and tired to read those absurd rants about prices, think.[/QUOTE]


Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK, ranging from the cheap streetworkers at 500 Bath to real Models where the sky is the limit. You can rant as much as you like but can't change it. Different people have different tastes and different means. The same applies to houses, hotels, flights, clothes, cars, watches, food etc.

There are plenty wealthy guys in BKK, be they Thai, Asians or Farangs, who do not mind spending the same percentage of their income as most mongers on girls, but in their case that percentage adds up to a handsome amount.

One of my regulars just came back from a 5 day trip to Phuket staying in a fantastic villa, with a wealthy American. He paid her 100.000 for her time plus food etc.

Did the guy know that he "overspend" by Thai standards ? Yes. Did her care ? No, because he was very happy with the service rendered, had a great holiday which allowed him to recharge his batteries before heading back to the 80 hours workweek in Silicon Valley, and in the US he would probably have spend that much in a day, without any guarantee of good services.

Another 30 something year old girl, I know well, got an expensive condo on Thonglor, a Beamer and 100.000 from her Aussie gig who visits about 3 days a month. Knowing the guy's position and company, his income is at least 300.000 USD per year. Much more in the good years when the bonuses where fat. As long as she keeps him happy when he visits, he doesnt mind those, in his view, reasonable expenses.

Some Thai tycoons spend millions every month on their actress gigs. So what?

[QUOTE=Spider916]Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK,[/QUOTE]In fact there are.

But the discussion was not about supermodels vs. Nana SW, it was about a fellow monger who paid 2. 500 + tip 500 for a short time in Soi Cowboy.

Our friend was so nice to explain that he paid that amount because 1) he doesn't like to negotiate and 2) he was happy with the girl, hence he tipped.

While I very much respect our fellow's wiew and decision, I stand with my point that overpaying in Thailand is not necessary and often is not wise. Overpaying (meaning giving more than how you are expected/supposed to with noting in exchange) won't make you more popular or guarantee you a better service. There are endless reports here and on other fora mentioning unreasonable requests punctually followed by awful attitude and poor performance in bed. And in a country where most of the people, even rich ones, are careful consumers and do not like to make public display of their wealth, overspending seriously risks to make you look like a sucker rather than successful guy with a top salary.

Of course IMHO.

Well said. Now lets say amen, put it to bed, and move on. Most of us joined this board to exchange information, not to read constant haranging about prices.



[QUOTE=Spider916]Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK, ranging from the cheap streetworkers at 500 Bath to real Models where the sky is the limit. You can rant as much as you like but can't change it. Different people have different tastes and different means. The same applies to houses, hotels, flights, clothes, cars, watches, food etc.

There are plenty wealthy guys in BKK, be they Thai, Asians or Farangs, who do not mind spending the same percentage of their income as most mongers on girls, but in their case that percentage adds up to a handsome amount.

One of my regulars just came back from a 5 day trip to Phuket staying in a fantastic villa, with a wealthy American. He paid her 100.000 for her time plus food etc.

Did the guy know that he "overspend" by Thai standards ? Yes. Did her care ? No, because he was very happy with the service rendered, had a great holiday which allowed him to recharge his batteries before heading back to the 80 hours workweek in Silicon Valley, and in the US he would probably have spend that much in a day, without any guarantee of good services.

Another 30 something year old girl, I know well, got an expensive condo on Thonglor, a Beamer and 100.000 from her Aussie gig who visits about 3 days a month. Knowing the guy's position and company, his income is at least 300.000 USD per year. Much more in the good years when the bonuses where fat. As long as she keeps him happy when he visits, he doesnt mind those, in his view, reasonable expenses.

Some Thai tycoons spend millions every month on their actress gigs. So what?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Henryv]Well said. Now lets say amen, put it to bed, and move on. Most of us joined this board to exchange information, not to read constant haranging about prices.[/QUOTE]I agree
It is good to know the low prices, the average and reasonable ones and, as a curiosity, what some are paying
We are all grown up to recoggnize the high prices and we dont need to comment but if someone is happy to spend...let him be happy.
I myselg make comments in my mind on some outrageously cheap prices (a beggar would get moew, sometime), nevertheless I dont bother the folks here with my comments on those cheap charlies :)

Sounds more like a soliciation.

Was there once and the thing that stuck out the most was that management seemed like a coiled spring, ready to pop.

[QUOTE=Pytheas Mars]Would like to share my impressions at Midnite. I must say I had a great time there a few days ago. Prices of drinks are pretty expensive. Singha : 155 if I remember well, lady drink 200. BF : 700

But I found this bar quite nice, with a good layout, good music and lightening and a great number of very attractive, cute, friendly and well dressed girls. Check number 34, she has just the perfect body and a very cute face.

They also have nice shows.

Above all there is, in my opinion, an absolute treasure in this bar. Her name is Bun (sorry if I write it incorrectly). It means apple in Thai. She performs a lot of the shows, you can't miss her. Not very tall, very small breast, certainly not the kind of girl you would call a sex bomb at first. However when she starts dancing and performing she is just incredibly gracefull and elegant. I found the way she moves on stage, most of the time completely nude, so sensual. It turned me on.

I invited her for a drink and found she has a quite unique personality as well. So different from the typical predictable bargirls.

Her younger sister works in the bar as well . Don't remember her name. She is also very good looking, same type of small breast but taller. And a very good dancer.

Well I invite you to visit the place and tell me what you think of the bar and little Bun ! Or has anybody already met her ?

I would love to see her again next time I am in Bangkok …..[/QUOTE]

Great report. Thanks for the heads-up (no pun intended).

[QUOTE=Frazer]Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

Some of you may have noticed a young looking petite black girl with a cute smiling face and a stunning body. She often wears a black top and a colored mini skirt. In the past days I had made a mental note and so when I saw her between soi 5 and 7 I approached her to have some chat before making my decision.

She claims she is from Kenya, that she is 25 and that has worked here for about 4 months. However from her accent and her way of smiling and joking I am almost sure that she is nigerian.

I decided to invite her for a drink and after an initial hesitation (I need to be paid for my time.) she accepted and she followed me to one of the beer bars near NEP. During the following 15/20 minutes we had good time together, we joked about all the bs that she tried to tell me (her name, nationality, her accomodation in BKK.) and we even kissed a couple of times, all very GFE.

Then we discussed about business. She initially asked for 2K bht ST but I told her that I normally pay no more than 1K and that that includes a BBBJ (for which she initially wanted an extra). Also the negotiation went on in a very friendly and cheerful way and in the end she accepted to go for 1K without (apparently) taking it badly.

When at the bar she received the first call on her mobile. My guess is that someone was controlling her.

Off we went to a short time hotel at the beginning of soi 3. Once in the room I undressed her, she helped me with my clothes and then we went for the (cold) shower.

I think that this girl has the best looking body that I have seen in the last 5 or 6 years: an ass to die for, rock solid and round as only a black girl can have, an incredible pair of boobs, round, full, firm and with small and pointy nipples, a smooth and flawless chocolate skin and not a gram of unnecessary fat. Simply fantastic.

I was so horny I could not resist, after some long and passionate DFK I went down on her and (despite the second phone call) in no time she was wet and ready. Then the problems started.

She took me in her mouth (BB as promised) but her poor technique and lack enthusiasm made me change my mind after few seconds. So I put on a condom and got ready to take her missionary. Even if she was still wet she insisted to put some KY in her pussy before I got in.

During the intercurse she didn't move one single muscle (except for the left hand to pick the third phone call), she just spread her legs enough to let me in and maybe she continued breathing. She let me dfk and touch her but for the rest it was like fucking a dead body.

After a couple of minutes I asked her to lay on her stomach and got her from behind but again she did not respond in any way to my efforts. So I stood up, took off the condom and told her that we were finished. She offered to wank me but I refused, went to the shower and then got dressed.

Before leaving (and after pocketing 500 bht that I had left near her bag), she apologised and told me that she felt very bad about her work in Thailand and that actually she had no idea on how to please a man.

When I asked if she had been "circumcised" (nigerians often use this word instead of infibulation) she just smiled to me, of course she had.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?[/QUOTE]

You have done us all a great service by posting this. I will certainly ask to see an ID and check gender in Nana Parking Lot.

Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Cunning Linguist]I have been too busy in China lately but I did

want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere ... and it was in Bangkok. It was about 3 weeks ago when I was there. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance. As always, I asked her if she was a ladyboy. I seem to have to ask that. I asked that in Thai and the reply was a shaking of the head and something uttered like like sem-sem. That utterance turned out to be more meaningful than I had bargained for.

Up to the room we went. We started talking but something did not seem quite right. I couldn't put my finger on it. I always try to chat the girls up before I do them. It is just common decency. We had a pleasant enough conversation, she mentioned she did not like the Hotel security people but they always hassle her. Nevertheless, there was that nagging question of something that was gone amiss, something that had gone awry. She then told me that she wanted the money up front. From all the reading I have done on the board, I knew that to be a big mistake and I baulked. I told her that I never, never do that. Never.
She started acting strange. She said, OK, you don't like me, do you? At that point, I didn't but my misgivings gave way to sheer terror at the mere thought of where this was leading to. I flat declared that I did NOT like lady boys at all. That was when the she turned out to be a he as he threw a fit. He told me that he had liked me and that I had been playing with him. I told me that I was no gay and that I really, really, really, really did NOT like ladyboys. Sorry. He then threatened to call the police on me if I didn't give him a thousand baht. I called his bluff and told him to first talk to the Nana Hotel security people. This is a time when speaking some Thai is a great advantage. I told them "phom mai chop katoey leuy. Kao bok gahok. I don't like katoeys at all. He lied to me. He left in a huff, cursing me. I asked them in Thai, why didn't you tell me he was a katoey? Their laughing reply shocked me. Farang chop katoey maak maak!. Farangs like katoeys a lot. I then told them that I did NOT like them and that to tell me next if I brought one in (they have to check the IDs which do indicate the gender).

I was so shaken up by that incident that I decided to act on a kind PM from Giotto who invited me over to Livingston's for a beer. I took a cab over and met the man. He really is a great guy and certainly one of the smartest people that I have ever talked to in Thailand in all my Thai experience. After a couple of hours, I went back to Nana, calmed by my talk with Giotto and decided to try for another girl. It had stopped raining by then and I spotted a girl that really looked undeniably girl-like. I mean, I was really focusing on hard to counterfeit femininity. This girl seem to pass all my questions and I was relieved to see that she passed inspection with the Nana Hotel security people. She was, indeed, a she. It was confirmed, much to my relief.
In my room again, we started chatting in Thai. She said that her father was Moslem, a khaek (Indian) and her mother a Thai. There were none of the weird feelings of the other "girl". I was starting to feel good. She went to take a shower while I was entertaining thoughts of what was going to happen next. She came out wrapped in a towel. Then she sprang it on me: She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.
I was really shaken up by now. I staggered out into the Nana Parking lot more distraught than ever. There were a couple of girls that vied for my attention. I finally told them that I hate katoeys, I only paid after the act. Any problems? No problem, said one of them and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. The girl was extremely girlish. Undeniably so. Slim as I like them though I hate the shaving that seems to blight many girls in Thailand. China is so much better in this respect. She really responded to DATY. In fact, her yoni orifice actually gaped and stayed that way. I had thought that only happened in weird porno pics. She came several times, something which was attestable by the contractions in her vagina. There were even pussy farts when she came! Amazing. Amazing Thailand. Amazing but extraordinarily weird night in Thailand.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spider916]Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK, ranging from the cheap streetworkers at 500 Bath to real Models where the sky is the limit. You can rant as much as you like but can't change it. Different people have different tastes and different means. The same applies to houses, hotels, flights, clothes, cars, watches, food etc.

There are plenty wealthy guys in BKK, be they Thai, Asians or Farangs, who do not mind spending the same percentage of their income as most mongers on girls, but in their case that percentage adds up to a handsome amount.

One of my regulars just came back from a 5 day trip to Phuket staying in a fantastic villa, with a wealthy American. He paid her 100.000 for her time plus food etc.

Did the guy know that he "overspend" by Thai standards ? Yes. Did her care ? No, because he was very happy with the service rendered, had a great holiday which allowed him to recharge his batteries before heading back to the 80 hours workweek in Silicon Valley, and in the US he would probably have spend that much in a day, without any guarantee of good services.

Another 30 something year old girl, I know well, got an expensive condo on Thonglor, a Beamer and 100.000 from her Aussie gig who visits about 3 days a month. Knowing the guy's position and company, his income is at least 300.000 USD per year. Much more in the good years when the bonuses where fat. As long as she keeps him happy when he visits, he doesnt mind those, in his view, reasonable expenses.

Some Thai tycoons spend millions every month on their actress gigs. So what?[/QUOTE]

I know it's an endless debate but:

- don't confuse issues: overpaying is not paying more for a higher quality girl, it's paying more than most other customers for the same girl in the same place. Taking your examples to the extreme it's like paying a VW the price of a Mercedes. Paying a Mercedes the price of a Mercedes is not overpaying.

- what you point out at the beginning of your post (different qualities, different places) is exactly what readers expect from this forum: to know how much they can pay for a given quality of girl in a given place. They are not interested in knowing how much other people overpay!

Don't want to start another war of words over pricing but reading the last 2 pages has got me thinking. Will be in BKK relatively soon.

I've gone a couple of times in the past and for the gogo's I've only ever barfined from Shark, Tilac and Baccarra.

For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price. Have tried in the past to cut 500 baht off but I don't put a lot of effort into this (similar to a previous poster who said he'd rather just skip a girl if they price high to start and be done with it).

I have bf'd a real stunner from Shark a couple of times and have her email/sms so usually meet up with her if I'm around. She says she always throws out 3000/6000 and usually gets 2 short times a night?!! Also for the Japanese guys will throw out 5000 ST as a starting point and get taken up on it a fair amount of the time. We hit it off pretty good so I pay her more in line what I'd pay other girls (4000 LT) there but still maybe the whole thing is a giant tarp and I really should be paying 50% less and am a massive sucker here. Just want a reality check.

I've seen several posts recently asking where you can get a massage after closing time in Bangkok (after 2-3am). I didn't realize until a few days ago that this is readily available along Soi 11 on the right-hand side when entering from Sukhumvit. You'll see many ladies asking if you want a massage and they're not freelancers but have signs indicating the massage shops behind them on the soi; this was true both over the past weekend and tonight on a Monday so it seems that it's available most/every night. If you've hit the club Climax at the Ambassador Hotel you probably walked too far from what I can tell.

I didn't partake though and can't vouch for the quality of the women or the massage, but at least the option exists on this street for those interested after closing time. Would love to get some feedback from anyone who has actually sampled the late night action.

[QUOTE=Bkk A Ok]I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price. [/QUOTE]From my experience ST/LT prices are very dependent on the specific lady in question -- some ask for outrageous LT prices, especially early in the night because they often are able to score 2-3 STs; but if they're free late in the night esp on a weeknight you can get a great deal.

I've paid 3000 LT in Shark several times and didn't have trouble negotiating that. In fact, a couple times this year with some real beauties I never discussed price and handed them a $100 USD bill the next morning and they were quite pleased (maybe that has changed slightly now given the baht's increasing strength vs the dollar!).

My guess is that expectations at Baccara are higher given the Japanese clientele and their willingness to be more price inelastic.

[QUOTE=Bionicman]I agree
It is good to know the low prices, the average and reasonable ones and, as a curiosity, what some are paying
We are all grown up to recoggnize the high prices and we dont need to comment but if someone is happy to spend...let him be happy.
I myselg make comments in my mind on some outrageously cheap prices (a beggar would get moew, sometime), nevertheless I dont bother the folks here with my comments on those cheap charlies :)[/QUOTE]

Valid points on both sides of the scale.

Although I was the one to start the most recent price war discussion what is most important IMHO is to experience an enjoyable session with fair value.

From my experience a higher price does not translate to better service. The negotiated price is simply a starting point.

If she does an outstanding job she deserves a reflective tip. A few hundred or a thousand baht will not break any of us.

Any monger that stiffs the girls is an asshole. The same applies to any WG who stiffs a monger with shit service. If I pay for a "starfish experience" the lower negotiated price feels a little better as I kick her out the door.

I remember a great session in Amsterdam, we clicked, talked and fucked and at the end she forgot to ask for money. I was a good 4 blocks away when I realized I forgot to pay her. Promptly went back, paid her and saw her several more times.

I firmly believe we all need to be paid for good work.

Guido88

I would respectfully disagree. At any age, I would, and do, make it a point of stopping at the desk to make sure they take my gals ID. If I remember, I say loud enough for my friend to hear: "its ok if you call me when she leaves."

One or two times it has helped me out in a tight spot, particularly in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=B9999]I went to Fantasia (amongst others. LOL) in NEP and BF'd a delightful, young, cute, slim, gorgeous, tiny, smooth-skinned lady. Took her back to my hotel (Landmark) and was lucky enough not to be stopped by security.

Thai's are greedy, they also negotiate. Therefore its quite common for them to quote high prices and then you negotiate down. If you are unwilling to negotiate you will always pay a higher amount than others.

Yes, a lot of it comes down to how handsome you are, if you can speak Thai, if you are a far old git etc....... and this does have a bearing on price. A Thai girl from a top NEP bar would happily accept 2000B for LT with a nice guy she likes and would demand 4000B for LT with a guy she does not like.

Thats life, get over it.

You can get good quality pussy for 1K to 1.5K short time, and 2K to 2.5K long time.

If you are paying over that you are, by local standards, getting ripped off, but a holiday farang who knows no better, or someone who thinks they are better by paying more, there are many of them around and the girls will always ask a high price in the hope the mug punter agree's to it and does not negotiate down.

This is Asia and you negotiate on pricing in bars and freelancers places.

Oil Massage places its very simple.

400B for 1 hour
600B for 90 mins
800B for 2 hours.

This fee is paid to the receptionist either at entry or exit.

Give the girl 500B for a HJ, 1000B for a BBBJ or 1500B if all that plus FS.

No need to tip more.


Bangkok is very simple price wise, if you let yourself get ripped off, you will get ripped off. If a girl likes you she will accept a lower price, if she does not (no matter how much she sticks her tongue down your throat in the bar or rubs your dick) she will ask for a high price.

What about me ? Well, I adopt the same policy I have in Bangkok to what I use in Manila. She gives me her mobile number and I call her outside of work, or she can go back to dance at the bar. I do not do bar fines and certainly do not overpay, but then, I have the luxury of living here a lot of the time and also speaking Thai :)


[QUOTE=Bkk A Ok]Don't want to start another war of words over pricing but reading the last 2 pages has got me thinking. Will be in BKK relatively soon.

I've gone a couple of times in the past and for the gogo's I've only ever barfined from Shark, Tilac and Baccarra.

For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price. Have tried in the past to cut 500 baht off but I don't put a lot of effort into this (similar to a previous poster who said he'd rather just skip a girl if they price high to start and be done with it).

I have bf'd a real stunner from Shark a couple of times and have her email/sms so usually meet up with her if I'm around. She says she always throws out 3000/6000 and usually gets 2 short times a night?!! Also for the Japanese guys will throw out 5000 ST as a starting point and get taken up on it a fair amount of the time. We hit it off pretty good so I pay her more in line what I'd pay other girls (4000 LT) there but still maybe the whole thing is a giant tarp and I really should be paying 50% less and am a massive sucker here. Just want a reality check.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkk A Ok]For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

[/QUOTE]Correct. It is very difficult to go below the 2000/4000 threshold in the bars you mentioned and the same goes for the best NEP bars such as the Rainbows. In fact these prices are kind of imposed by the establishments through the mamasans and the older ladies. In other words, someone else, a third party, not happy enough to be paid the barfine, decides how much I have to give to my chick to bang her or even just to sleep with her (yes, sure, LOL). Some bars, I was told, go further in this and even check if the girls actually obtained the correct amount, go figure.

Who gains from this practice? For sure not the punters who are confronted with a kind of cartel. The girls? IMHO no, because the real stunners (10, 15%?) get regularly barfined while the others especially in the low season cannot really compete by lowering their requests. In addition, the girls cannot choose to go with someone that they prefer by reducing their rates and charging more those who they would like to avoid.

The bars? Well, in the short term it is just fantastic: for the same salary they keep their girls at work for longer, often until the closing time and the girls keep attracting customers (who likes an empty bar?) and milk them with overpriced drinks, ping pong balls baskets and so on.

In the long run? Well, IMO it is enough to see how many bars are empty in Nana and how many streetwalkers you can find on the Suk, at the beergarded and late at night in the discos.

Personally I spend less and less (money and time) in the gogos and focus more on the massages and freelancers. From time to time I barfine some girls from Nana and Cowboy (Patpong no longer exists for me), but actually just when I find someone who is not pushy and has a nice and easy attitude (well, big boobs help too). Do I negotiate? Sure but within the limits and always with a smile. Tip? Why not if I got more than I expected?

[QUOTE=Frazer]...Personally I spend less and less (money and time) in the gogos and focus more on the massages and freelancers. From time to time I barfine some girls from Nana and Cowboy (Patpong no longer exists for me), but actually just when I find someone who is not pushy and has a nice and easy attitude (well, big boobs help too). Do I negotiate? Sure but within the limits and always with a smile. Tip? Why not if I got more than I expected?[/QUOTE]
Time also helps. I once wanted to take a cutie from one of the SC bars (forgot which one). She wanted 4000 for LT. I said I never pay more than 2000. She wouldn't budge. I said: ok, I leave now and come back after 2 days. When I got back there, she immediately sat with me and agreed to 2000 LT. I gave her a tip in the morning.

[QUOTE=Frazer]It is very difficult to go below the 2000/4000 threshold in the bars you mentioned and the same goes for the best NEP bars such as the Rainbows. [/QUOTE]
Disagree.

If you're a good negotiator it's easy to get even rainbow girls to drop to 1500 ST or even less. There is no universal price. Get that out of your head.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Disagree.

If you're a good negotiator it's easy to get even rainbow girls to drop to 1500 ST or even less. There is no universal price. Get that out of your head.[/QUOTE]I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.

I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.

Sometimes they were girls declining my offers (and this story may be part of the negotiation) but in some cases they were girls actually accepting less than the going rate (yes, it happens but I repeat that IMO it is *very difficult* unless you go for a dog).

And at least three of my "sources" are girls that I've known for ages, that I visit quite regularly because I consider them kind of friends but that I have never and will never barfine (e. G. One is the regular of a friend).

There are other examples of gogos in Pty (Super baby? Super girl?) where the mamasan directly informs the clients on the rates complete with a price menu that she gently leaves on the table near the drinks, go figure.

Late night massage is available at Sabai Sabai on Sukhumvit Soi 11. This is their page showing directions:

[url]http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/p6.html[/url]

I have been there a couple of times and the massage is decent. The selection of girls is pretty good. Only problem (for some) is that the girls are reluctant to give more than a HJ or BJ in the shop. Overall, I have enjoyed my sessions there and I will return.

[QUOTE=Desi Guy]I've seen several posts recently asking where you can get a massage after closing time in Bangkok (after 2-3am). I didn't realize until a few days ago that this is readily available along Soi 11 on the right-hand side when entering from Sukhumvit. You'll see many ladies asking if you want a massage and they're not freelancers but have signs indicating the massage shops behind them on the soi; this was true both over the past weekend and tonight on a Monday so it seems that it's available most/every night. If you've hit the club Climax at the Ambassador Hotel you probably walked too far from what I can tell.

I didn't partake though and can't vouch for the quality of the women or the massage, but at least the option exists on this street for those interested after closing time. Would love to get some feedback from anyone who has actually sampled the late night action.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Desi Guy]From my experience ST/LT prices are very dependent on the specific lady in question -- some ask for outrageous LT prices, especially early in the night because they often are able to score 2-3 STs; but if they're free late in the night esp on a weeknight you can get a great deal.[/QUOTE]Weeknight. I find that timing is so underrated! When I'm in BKK really it's only a wknd holiday from Singapore, so I'm in on Thurs/Fri/Sat and at the gogo around 10-11 pm .... pretty much when the demand is highest.

From experience in Singapore, prices are lower and you can much more easily bargain on a Monday a little early in the night than on a wknd at prime hours.

[QUOTE=Phuquer]Late night massage is available at Sabai Sabai on Sukhumvit Soi 11. This is their page showing directions:

[url]http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/p6.html[/url]

I have been there a couple of times and the massage is decent. The selection of girls is pretty good. Only problem (for some) is that the girls are reluctant to give more than a HJ or BJ in the shop. Overall, I have enjoyed my sessions there and I will return.[/QUOTE]
They provide 24 hrs outcall service. I have had them come as late as 3 am. However, they try to get a higher rate but if you tell them their website has a lower rate they honor it. I have had them come couple of times. Girls are average looking but service is good. Even FS is available.

I think it is good once in while to regurgitate information so that it resurfaces for newbies. A lot of posting/FR’s seem to be aiming for existing mongers. I owe this forum anyway for the information gleaned here.

Looking back at this posting I realise I do jump about a lot. Please indulge me.
Also have tried to write to be as informative as possible to a total newbie, so a lot of obvious stuff is here. Sometimes I am being funny in a drool way.

So let me recount my 2 trips to Bangkok (BKK) (and Pattaya, but that will be in the Pattaya section) and my observations.

My first trip was in late November up to early Dec 2007 (Low season so hotels are cheaper) Some of my memory might be hazy. I did write about it before. Unfortunately I lost my password and had to take another nom de guerre. I have also taken the precaution of writing all this out in word rather than directly into ISG. I have lost quite a few lengthy reports because of the time cut-off in the ISG posting of 30 mins.

In preparation for the trip I focused on the “reports of distinction” thread rather than the main thread in ISG. Some of the longer reports are quite informative. The few that proved most useful at that time ( in 2007) where from other newbies as they contained a lot of basic information that is taken as a given in the forum. Buy a guidebook as well. I always find it useful to get one wherever I go. SIM cards can be gotten at any 7-11’s and they are all over Thailand. An adaptor for the battery charger should be in most electronic shops. I got mine in Pattaya. All it does is adapt the plug. I barely used my thai phone in both my trips.

My initial plan was to stay in Bangkok for 4 days, then 5 days elsewhere and then back to Bangkok for 1-2 days before flying back.

I was choosing between Koh Samui and Pattaya for the 4 days in between. Finally choose Pattaya. The cost of flights to Koh Samui from the monopoly provider did not make sense (the airline owns the only airport in Koh Samui hence the exorbitant rates, either that or an 8 hour train ride (if I recall correctly), then ferry to the island) though it seemed I would have the hotel by the beach to myself due to the low season.


I decided as a first timer to Bangkok to stay at Giotto’s (Livingstone lodge [url]http://www.livingstones.co.th/[/url]).

As I was not familiar of Bangkok, I wanted an establishment that was guaranteed girl-friendly (some hotels charge an additional fee if you bring a “guest” as I read in the forum) and also that had a bar in the premises. Giotto has his own thread, but just to let others know, there is a bar with Working Girls (WG) in his premises Sports Lounge, by the pool). I thought that this would be the best way to ease my way into Bangkok.

First Day

I arrived at the airport. Towards the left on the ground floor, there is a taxi stand. You
state your destination and they direct you to a taxi, which is usually the next one in
the line (but I understand now there are trains from the airport to Bangkok). If I
remember correctly I paid about THB500 including toll. Apparently this is more that
it should be but it was on the meter so I am not sure how this could be. As you come
from the airport, Bangkok is spread before you and it is a Metropolis.

When I go on holiday, the day I think changes. I enter into a stream of consciousness mode as if I am a third person observing myself and all around me.

I tend to chat to taxi drivers. Always like to know about their lives etc to get a feel of the lay of the land. He told me he visit his family once a month (they live in a farm outside of Bangkok. He told me as well he lives in his car. Well it is believable.

I reached Livingstone Lodge and checked in.

Livingstone’s Lodge is located in Soi 33 (Soi I think is street so Street 33 off Sukhimvit). There are a couple of (I learned later) hostess bars around as well as some massage places (some I believe have closed?).
I have told the are called the Dead Artist corner but have never heard the term used in the forum. The hostess bar are all named after artist i.e. Michaelangelo etc. I never ever when into any of them.

At the entrance to Soi 33 towards Sukhumvit on the left there is an English pub where I am told the steaks are good.

After checking in (this was in the afternoon). My first port of call was Akane (ww.akane-corp.com/english/english_top.html). Akane used to be all the rage in the forum in 2007 ( I think otherwise it would be unlikely I would have visited there) but barely gets a mention now.

Once outside of Livingstone Lodge, turn left and walk up. Not that easy to find as it is in the car park of a hotel probably 5 minutes from the Lodge. There should be a sign on the top left and once you reach the mouth of the car park you will be able to see it.

I took the 2 ladies option as that was the recommended option in the forum.
Please note this is not a fuck joint. I paid the price on the menu.
(Going into hazy memory territory here). One girl came in (or lady, not really girls anymore) and was taken to be washed in the corner bathroom. After the preliminary massage, this lady was on top of me, acting as if she was riding me with her hand at the back holding my penis and stimulating a vagina. Later on the 2nd girl came in and while this was happening gave me a bbbj. And that was it.

I read in the forum it was customary to tip but really up to you if you are going to be a repeat customer. I wasn’t. This stimulated stuff was not my cup of tea.

That night I came down and when to the Sports Lounge at Livingstone’s and shyly entered in. They were quite friendly girls and nice ones. Most can speak English. I was introduced to 2 and after some chit-chattin , asked about the system (bar fines etc) while having a g&t of course (and buying them a drink each). One of them was more experienced and in the end I barfined here and we went to my room. She was quite eager to my companion throughout my stay there including being my tourist guide in Thailand. I prefer to do my own thing and anyway this was my first day there. I think people to do that in Livingstone.

Staying along the BTS (Bangkok MassTransit System) is a blessing. I never used a taxi again in Bangkok except to take Working Girls (WG) back to the hotel (and to get back from the royal palace). Phrom Phong is the nearest station, about a few minutes walk away.

I had made plans for my daytime hours as well based on my guidebook. I don’t sleep much on holidays. Usually too pumped up so little sleep is required.

2nd day

The next morning after having my breakfast (provided) at Livingstone’s I made my first true foray into Bangkok. I do not recall the sequence of my day time trips as in what I did first. I wanted to visit the many Buddhist temples around Bangkok as I had an interest in those things.

On the first day I believe (being the horny bastard that I am) I believe I went to find the bier garden (Soi 7) and the Eden Club ( Soi 7/1). On to the BTS. I believe I bought a ticket that allowed me a couple of trips. The staff in the ticket booths should be able to help you. Eden Club is not easy but go into Soi 7/1 and it is towards the end of the row of shops on the left. I believe the actual road is underneath the actual station stop. The BTS station to stop at is Nana

I believe the procedures at Eden Club are amply documented in the forum. One set of girls, those who do A (Anal) stand on the left and those who don’t on the right or vice versa. The procedure will be explained to you by the mamasan so no worries. Pick one girl you like and she will choose the 2nd girl. In the end I found the girl I did not choose the more attractive one. Everyone goes for the 2 girls option with one A-level and one without.

I have no taste for A-level’s. Tried it once but the very idea of putting my willy in someone’s asshole dismisses my ardor. The main thing here is the 2 girl option. When to a simply furnished room. No issues there (except a small cockroach that scurried around in the toilet). Got washed and then down to business with both of then giving me BJ’s and then I pounded while kissing another. 2nd round pounded the other. Got complimented as having given a good fuck. There are toys etc for those interested

It was ok. One of the girls gave me her card and told she was available for outcalls. I never went back. Generally one girl is good for me. You can only concentrate on pleasuring and fucking one girl at a time. I get my pleasure from also making sure the girl is able to cum too (which gets me in situations where I ask the girl what she likes and she comes back and ask what I like and it goes in circles, they can’t understand that her pleasure is my pleasure). Very hard to imagine a 2 girl scenario where one is intimate or gets the Girl Friend Experience (GFE). Also lesbianism does not turn me on so lesbian shows don’t really increase my arousal. I look at it in a detached fashion.

Just a note on my taste so you have a fuller idea when I make comments on girls.

I am more kissing and missionary and reverse missionary (girl flat on stomach and me behind) and dine at the y (pussy) (DATY) kind of guy. A nice face is my biggest turn on. Breast that fit the girl are nice to. Big breast aren’t my thing. Girls who are paunchy/fat are a turn off and in that case a nice face is not enough.

Don’t know how to judge whether a pussy is nice looking or not. Looking at just a vagina. That’s also not to my liking. Looking at photos of girls vagina’s (as in the photos section). I am not sure what they are supposed to do to me. Get me aroused? Just by looking at a vagina?

BJ’s as well . I need to thrust. I did my first face/mouthfuck on this trip to Thailand. Probably my only fetish. Generally I don’t request BJ and it is not volunteered. Most of them are so insipid that to me they are just to while away time rather to make me cum. It is difficult for me to cum from a BJ or if the girl is on top. I need to be on top and in control. So in the end the girl does not do much and I try my best to make her cum too. So you can see my predilections and requirements would seem much less than what some of the mongers here require. So any of my comments on service/girls etc, need to have the above in context. Probably the only thing I prefer is for me to feel my thrust action completely and to feel my willy is completely in, I prefer if the girl does not thrust back at me which is sometimes difficult if they are near climax (also helps if she does not move around when I DATY which sometimes is difficult depending on the girl, guys who DATY often will know what I am talking about.)

The dining at the DATY is just to get the girl excited which is a huge turn on for me. So is kissing, just basic kissing on the lips , not Deep French Kissing (DFK). I don’t like someone else’s tongue in my mouth and therefore won’t do it to others.

So simple requirements and not too demanding. At the end there has to be chemistry as well otherwise it won’t work.


At night I when to the Nana EntertainmentPlaza (NEP). Took the BTS to the Nana stop. Got out. This time I think I followed those who I thought would be mongers. The NEP is on the left and can’t be seen on the road. It is on Soi 4.

The NEP is a U shaped building with bars on the sides. You have to walk in the central square and there are go-go’s on all floors, same katoey/ladyboys only.

Go’s Go’s are where girls dance on stage semi naked and customers sit around the tables ogling them.

I went in and ended up in Rainbow 4. It was my first and only stop that night. I knew what to do after reading the forum. Rainbow 4 is on the 2nd of first floor at the right hand side of the NEP.



Some basics for newbies as learned from the forum and then practiced with success.

Bar fine in a go gois generally THB500, maybe THB600 these days. Long Time (LT) is generally 30000thb in Bangkok, note that you can negotiate with the service provider but this is the general prevailing price (the longer you stay and the less horny you are the better bargainer you will be, always be comfortable with what you are paying, aim to make your budget last if you have one). I have never taken Short Time (ST) which is 2 hours with multiple shots so will not comment. I like a morning fuck and LT is riskier but also more cost-effective for me. You can also try to wait and try to get them towards closing time where you assume you have the upper hand in negotiation.

Take your time, there will be a couple of shifts of the girls dancing. If they have numbers attached to their panties, note the ones you find attractive. Make eye contact and smile and see if there is a response. Don’t bother as a general rule with a girl who doesn’t even smile back. Do look at her and make sure she is aware of it and your interest. If you think there is a response. Call the mamasan or the waitresses and ask them to bring the girl no:xx to your table, you can also signal the girl directly to come to your table. They will do so once her shift of dancing on the stage is over. They might be other girls wandering around trying to get customers before their dancing shift starts. If you are not interested just shake your head accordingly.

Do offer a lady drink to her when she comes to sit. This is the opening act. She is obliged to sit with you till she finishes her drink (or until her shift for going on stage begins again, if you don’t barfine her, she is a free agent and someone else might then call her after her shift and barfine her, buy her a drink etc) . Talk to her and see if it is viable. If you are interested negotiate pricing and the do’s and don’ts. As mentioned above, I don’t really have any requirements other than kissing, so I don’t bother with this part. I never had to chase a girl away as well as someone who responses to me from the stage tends to be viable. I do ask what time is LT until. Generally until 5-6am or a little later. If she is not interested she will leave on her own volition. Please also look at her face when she sits beside you! Those dim lights have bested me (and others of this forum it seems) before. I have taken girls back to the hotel where the harsher lights reveals a not so nice complexion. Also be aware of covered midriffs! They tend to hide paunches or caesarean scars. Do look! Getting back to the hotel and finding a caesarean scar or paunch can be deflationary. Otherwise you can make your interest in others quite plainly by simply ignoring her and looking at others. Please also look at her face! Those dim lights have bested me before. I have taken girls back to the hotel where the harsher lights reveals a not so smooth face etc. Also be aware of of covered midriffs! They tend to hide paunches or caesarean scars. Do look as for a nice face and the lack of a paunch makes my dick get erect much easier.

Once negotations are done, pay the barfine to the mamasan/papasan (who sometimes negotiates on behalf of girls whose English is not good). Wait while she changes into normal clothing. The mama/papasan might ask where your hotel is and let the girl know if she is not familiar.

She will come back from her changing area with normal clothing and led you away.

Generally back in the hotel you are in control but the accepted norm is she showers (take this opportunity to lock your valuables/wallet in the safe), then you shower before the boom-boom. You want a GFE? Then don’t be a dirty tourist. Plus if you like DATY like me, then the girl being clean is also essential. I am sensitive to smell as well and sometimes ask them to use mouthwash which I have. Bad breath is a turn-off.

The negotiated fee is to be paid in the morning after she leaves.

PS – there is a lot of hand clasping in Thailand (hands together and bowing). Get used to it. I do it back sometimes when I appreciate something.

Some additional signs

If she holds your hand as you leave the go go, that’s a good sign. Generally all the girls do this. If they don’t consider it a danger signal. Offer to buy her food from the roadside stalls to eat back at the hotel. This is SOP (standard Operating Procedure) and sets up for the GFE that everyone is looking for. Reading the forum recently apparently this is not SOP. Also go to the 7-11 or Family Mart, corner shop and get drinks and ask her what she wants. The good girls are concerned about the cost and are grateful for your kindest. They also will sort out the taxi for you and make sure you don’t get cheated. So follow them as they will take you to a place where the taxis are metered.

Bad sign, girl gets the food without you offering in the first place and waits for you to pay. Had this from a girl on the 2nd day in BKK and among other things ditched her and took a taxi away but that is the 2nd day story.

The bar/gogo girl situation

As learned from this forum, reading the guide book and my questioning of various WG’s.

The typical go go girl gets 1-2 days off per month. Any more days then that and she has to pay her barfine amount for that day to the gogo (hmm why is it not a gogofine?). She also has to meet the quota requirements for Lady drinks (LD) per month, otherwise she is out. Quite a lot of them are on yaba (as told to me by my mamasan friend but more on that later) as the 5 hours of dancing take their toll. If they sleep all day, this is a sign they smoke yaba. Yaba is the local amphetamine and generally smoked like crack. The golden triangle after all is just a border away. Go go girls generally last about 2-3 months before heading home. Lot’s of them have kids but do not admit it(the amount of fatherless kids around?!). Their one kid is usually being looked after by their parents. Their partners have gone butterfly (thai slang for someone who has the tendency to be unfaithful). One girl even condemned other thai girls as forever trying to steal attached men and destabilise relationships. I definitely think there are more girls than guys demographically in Thailand that leads to this situation. (From Wikipedia 15-64 years: 0.98 male(s)/female, take 0.98 to the 12m population of Greater Bangkok and you get 240,000 girls without a male counterpart)

Most girls are from Isaan and the Korat peninsula which is the northern part of Thailand (Thaksin country)and the poorest area. They are literally dirt poor. People from this area also have a mix of Lao ethicity in them (due to a Thai monarch do did some forced migration on the Lao people a few centuries ago) and do speak the Lao lingua franca or a mixture. Most stall food apparently are also Isaan in origin.

Be aware of this and act accordingly. This isn’t a situation of people dreaming of being a gogo girls and fucking farangs as a child but due to the economic situation and limited opportunity for advancement (I might touch on this later). Being attached to you is also an opportunity for advancement. Don’t be a dick but don’t think with your dick either. There is plenty scope to get what you want. You and they are both transients in the gogo beer bar (or bar beer as is locally called) scene.

Don’t forget you are in control of the situation as well.


Back to Rainbow 4

Anyway when in and things where swinging. Can’t remember what time I arrived. Mamasan showed me to a table. Ordered my G&T. Place was dark. I was eyeing a girl dancing in front. I prefer the back tables as you can to see all the girls. I was smiling, she was smiling, all good. She reminded me of a girl I had a crush on in secondary school. Well, she was smiling at the guy in front of me actually and as barfined within minutes of ending her dance. Never saw her again in Rainbow 4.

There is some advice here to quickly barfine someone you find attractive before someone else does and they disappear. On the first 2 days at least I suggest studying observing and studying the lay of the land (as well as getting laid but not so quickly i.e. by 8-9pm). Have an open and relaxed mind, smile a lot and you will have fun.

One of the girls walking around came up to me. We chit-chatted something that I can’t remember. She was suggestive, told she would do BJ without condom (2007 was beginning of my more serious mongering, so was finding out what I liked as well). Good sign, seemed willing, so off I went. Got a taxi back to the Lodge.. Can remember the action except this was the first time I facefucked anyone (her head against the bard and you straddling her chest and thrusting your penis is her mouth as if it is the vagina). Great but not to be repeated in thailand (but repeated in London with the experienced thai pro’s here). After the first or 2nd round asked her if she wanted anything and she did, so when to the corner 7-11 on soi 33 and got the Lay potato chips she wanted and some drinks for me.

She looked different in the morning, the lack of make-up sometimes makes a starling difference. Also she wears glasses. Uses contacts in the go go. All in all a good experience.

Next : 3rd day in BKK, rest of my stay in BKK, being a brownie in Thailand and conclusion, lessons learned. Also my pattaya FR (Field Report) hopefully
(and yes I did fall in love, think of moving to thailand etc and got over it).

Planning activities for the day time is essential otherwise it can get boring.

Had the provided breakfast at the Lodge and read the local English dailies (as I try to do wherether I am except in Dubai, too rubbish for me there.). Some interesting political machinations at that time (Nov/Dec 2007). I must say the quality of the Nation and the Bangkok Post leaves a lot to be desired. Seem more like gossip and rumour mongers than thought and opinion leaders without the informative and analytical pieces I except from papers meant to be read by the elite in Bangkok. Not a mentally or intellectually stimulating read.

I think on this day I went to the Royal Palace and then Wat Po.

I took at taxi there as the rail/transit system does not extent there.

Dress sensibly otherwise you might have to rent a sarong (i.e. no shorts). It is an entry requirement.

Tourist pay entry fee and locals pay none or nominal amount.

Inside was ok, nothing much. The main attraction was the emerald Buddha. I was reading up on Buddhism at that point and found it ironic that people were killing each other over this Emerald Buddha. Not very Buddhist.

Buddhism in Thailand is a mixture of local influence/superstition, Hinduism (Brahma is still worshipped in Thailand but not in India) and Therevada Buddhism.

The bits of the palace opened to the public were not very interesting to me.

As an aside, this period of time was the run up to the king’s birthday and his posters were everywhere, put up by various business enterprises. Factory workers were also wearing the royal yellow (given to them by factory owners). The king’s face was so dominant I feel it was eerily cultish. I won’t mention it anymore as similar things have been heatedly discussed in the board except to mention how time changes!

Wat Po is a rambling Buddhist complex behind the Royal Palace. I walked there. On the day had a thai guy coming the other way in a blue police uniform, not exactly police but a uniform of some sort . He said hi and asked where I was from. Told him. Asked where I was going. I said Wat Po.Claimed he was ina the army. He started to tell me it was closed, he ahd come from there, it was a public holiday etc, why not go to a Big Buddha nearby. My mind was set on Wat Po and I prefer to trust myself then others. Also I had come from the Royal palace which was open. So just said no and keep walking. A common scam it seems it to get you to go to some other attraction on an expensive tuk-tuk ride.

And yes Wat Po was open. Wat Po is my kind of place, rambling, old, seemingly incoherent, unstructured. There is even a school at the back for kids. Spent some time there, a great antidote to the Royal palace. Less of a crowd and you can wander around in solitude.

I also indulged in the famous Wat Po massage. There is a massage school in Wat Po and it is considered the best in Thailand. According to my guide books there are different schools of massage in Thailand with ones in Ching Mai also acclaimed. This would explain the differences in routine I had from different massages I received.

This is in the middle and to the left of Wat Po. Pay an amount take a number and a massager will be assigned to you, either male of female. You go into a room with thin matresses on the floor. Other are getting massaged. The massager does a little prayer and you get massaged. The best massage I had in Thailand. The cost is nominal (for the tourist) as everyone including locals pay the same price. It is considered a service back to the community (well that is what my guide book says).

Coming back was trickier. No public transport (except busses). I walked back to the royal palace and had to take a taxi from there, one of those hanging around the entrance. Was quoted and exorbitant price and so was not keen on chit0chatting with the driver. I think for those who do go to the royal palace try to go to the left of the palace, down the road to the side and see if you can flag a taxi that is moving along the road rather than getting scalped from those at the entrance. But please be warned there seems no way back than by using these scalpers.

I did ask how much a car/taxi cost, 1 million baht apparently. On reaching the lodge he tried to get more from me then the agreed price. I said no of course and said we had an agreement. And that and other similar occasion is why I try my best not to use taxis whenever I can.

This night I went again to NEP. Tried some of the other go go’s. Rainbow 2 at the ground floor refused me entry said members only (being a brownie I had read the forum enough to expect this)

Ended up in Rainbow 4 again.

More basics

Forgot to mention that there is an element of safety in getting girls from bars and gogos rather than freelancers. You have the option of complaining to the mamasan the next day and tracking items that are missing. I think the lodge does note down the ID of WG’s coming in but I can’t remember. ID’s are all in Thai so not very useful but I believe there are some post that try to aid punters in working out the WG’s age from their ID. Best to stay in a hotel that notes the ID.

Soon had a girl rubbing against me and trying to talk to me while I was trying to look at the girls on the stage. Was in particular looking for my secondary school crush look alike. Anyway the one rubbing against me (she was trying to rub her ass on my crotch) was friendly enough and I was horny, so the deal was struck, LT price negotiated, bar fine paid. As we were walking out of the NEP and before I made the offer, she had chosen some food and then waited for me to pay. This annoyed me but more importantly keep me on my guard, then as we where walking pass some clothes stalls she made indications that this and that was nice, in a way that if I was an indulgent sugar daddy I would have bought those things for her. Again not a good sign. Next she asked whether I wanted yaba. I did not mind. So she leads me across (all the while we are holding hands) to the petrol station at the corner of the turning into NEP. No explanation given and my annoyance has reached a pretty high level. I ask her what is going on and she says we need to get a tuk tuk to go and buy the yaba.

Fuck that. I just let go of her hand, crossed the road quickly, got a taxi back to the lodge, hoping to get a girl from the sports lounge there. Along the way I spied Soi Cowboy and asked the taxi to stop and ended up there. I ended up in a gogo where I saw an attractive dancer. Caller her over LD’s bought, seemed friendly, negotiated and took her back to the lodge. She is still around but does not do LT anymore but still dances. She has a kid though she denied it to me. The mamasan told me later. I became friends with the mamasan there and she still texts me once in while, so the particular gogo shall remain nameless. She(the gogo girl) was ok but we did not hit it off. Most pussies are nice and tight for me in Thailand (as compared to Thai WG’s in London who have too much custom, non tight pussies and can earn up to £30k in 2 months and pay of the people who arranged her visa etc, yes they see up to 5++ people a day) but I think hers wasn’t for me.

I forgot to mention, tight pussies is a huge attraction for me in Thailand. Most WG’s in the western world seeming have loose pussies. No friction with the thrust.

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outside of the public sex and the bareback i hear is avaliable(you must be crazy to do that) i find [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] a better experience.

[QUOTE=Frazer]I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.

I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.

[/QUOTE]
I agree that they are brainwashed and spoiled.

Recently I've had 2 attractive girls out of rainbow 4 for less than 1500ST each and 1 young attractive girl from shark for 1500ST. I can say from experience that almost all of the girls in these clubs can be negotiated down as long as you're willing to negotiate (make sure the mamma is not around). A lot of guys can't be bothered to negotiate and just pay whatever the girl asks. Remember these girls are trying to get as much money as they can out of every guy.

[QUOTE=Frazer]I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.

I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.

Sometimes they were girls declining my offers (and this story may be part of the negotiation) but in some cases they were girls actually accepting less than the going rate (yes, it happens but I repeat that IMO it is *very difficult* unless you go for a dog).[/QUOTE]

I've barfined 4 rainbow girls this year and never paid more than 1500 ST. One girl of the 4 didn't want to accept but I said "sorry, I never pay more - if you no want, no problem" and she thought about it for a minute and accepted. Have never paid higher than 1500 at shark, tilac or baccara either. None of them could be called dogs.

I visited Eden Club today for the first time. Following general advice on the forum I arrived around 1pm to get a larger selection of girls.

Had a quiet beer before arriving at Eden at a bar at the end of Soi 7/1. It was a nice change to have a beer and not be interrupted by a girl offering a massage :).

Although I have seen reports that Eden is hard to find I had no problem. Soi 7/1 is right under the Nana BTS station and there is a clear streetname sign. Eden is about half away up on the right hand side and is clearly signed.

Got inside and met Marc, who ran through the menu as I was a first timer. Had a quiet beer and watched the girls generally getting ready before getting them lined up. I would say there were about 20 girls, ranging from a 5 to an 8 in my opinion. I chose no. 3 from the left of the line and she chose no. 12 from the right. 3, called Lee, was cute and slim. 12, called Rose, was a larger girl. I probably would not have chosen 12 as she was not as slim as I like, but they did get on well! I also had them dress as schoolgirls - why not!! The room we used was clean, although it would not win a designers award, with mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

The girls told me business was slow.

It was a good experience, although sometimes I can find 2 girls is 1 too many. Cost was 4020 including drinks, plus tips for the girls.

WM

[QUOTE=Evianist]They will go to your hotel. Sometimes they might say they want to go to the short term hotel, but if you say "no, go my hotel" they'll be ok with it.[/QUOTE]
Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience..
It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.

[QUOTE=Dreams]Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience..
It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, this was an answer to another post on Eden. You would have guessed...

[QUOTE=Amjeck]I agree that they are brainwashed and spoiled.

Recently I've had 2 attractive girls out of rainbow 4 for less than 1500ST each and 1 young attractive girl from shark for 1500ST. I can say from experience that almost all of the girls in these clubs can be negotiated down as long as you're willing to negotiate (make sure the mamma is not around). A lot of guys can't be bothered to negotiate and just pay whatever the girl asks. Remember these girls are trying to get as much money as they can out of every guy.[/QUOTE]To heck with the whole spoiled bit. Get their numbers and have them come over in the afternoon or else get them as they come out after closing. 1000ST is enough, depending on business and how they like you can be done, and if performance is good, can be done again and again.

Tried after an overnight flight, caught up with some sleep in the morning. In the afternoon, went to Annie's massage and picked up one of the sideline girls. Massage was good but I felt the girl's "ability to please" fell short of expectations. Overall, not a bad experience. Wanted to check out an escort agency and made a call. Now I knew that these girls charge the sky but wanted to check out if they had any better girls than the ones in the bars. Was charged 4, 000 for 2 hours. Service was good but certainly not mind blowing. Looks were not the same as seen in the website. But no regrets because I just wanted to try this route. Went back to Annies later at night and this time took a fish bowl chick. Service was great though the girl was not the best looker. Again proves the point that higher price is not a guarantee for great service.

[QUOTE=Dreams]Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience.

It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.[/QUOTE]Although I quote his post, the following does not necessarily refer to Dreams' take on Eden, it's just meant as a general comment about the experience.

Since I'm lazy I'll start by copying here what I wrote about my recent Devil's Den experience (Eden and DD offer exactly the same services in the same settings at the same prices).

[QUOTE]Now, I am not a threesome or DD expert, but very often I read about guys complaining that the service they received was mechanical.

18 months ago, half-way through my first Eden (in Bangkok) experience I thought the same, and during the second part of that session I took a more proactive role, asking for things and directing them a bit. Night and day.

These girls are used to very strange requests and fetishes of all kinds, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that, if left with no clear requests with a "regular" guy, they kind of just repeat a pre-arranged script: I-suck-you-she-suck-me-you-fuck-my-ass-she-puts-finger-in-your-ass. Willing to please, yes, but not involved.

This time around I prepared my own script, a kind of illustrated storyboard of how I wanted to spend my 1. 5 hours, which I submitted to the girls as soon as we got to the room.

Just seeing the storyboard pics on my mobile was enough to grab their attention, and from then on they proved to be very involved, not only in realizing my own fantasy, but in having fun themselves.[/QUOTE]Eden is famous and therefore many of us stop there sooner or later, but I gather that those who, like me, don't have any particular fetish or extremely kinky desire, are the minority.

Eden and DD mainly cater to a certain segment of punters, so if the "normal/average" monger wants to enjoy the experience, he needs to go in there with the right mindset and most importantly comunicate what he wishes for to the providers.

And a second visit might be needed to get the hang of it.

But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.

By the way, my next time in Thailand I'll try the 2 girl out-call experience, to check how it compares to the on-the-premises one.

My 2 cents,

Ryo

even when your plan "goes wrong" you will have a great time here.

what happened to me? was it because i'm finally off a short leash and way too eager to get at it? or was i just living up to my isg handle?
2 days ago i did some quick refresher research by rtff and made a short list using names listed in reports.

but then i mixed up the details of who did what when i asked for cream at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. in the upstairs cubicle i requested her special rim job warm up. she looked at me like wtf and refused. i apologised for the confusion and put my shoes back on. she changed her mind then and said ok - but you give me big tip. i offered 500 bt tip and she was very good. on my scale she's a solid 8 in looks, performance, attitude. but then i'm an older punter and my standards may not be as high as some on this board.

in other news, i changed from my long standing best value inn on 7/1. in the day at 800 or 900 baht it was acceptable for me. with a very nice staff and convenient takeout all over the soi. at 1100 bt, no internet, pathetic water pressure and some serious hotel competition, it's time to shop on wotif.com. i booked citadines on soi 8 for 1,465. it is exceptional at that price. however, no breakfast and a 10 minute walk from suk but they do have free tuk tuk shuttle service.

last night i took a 30 yo out of the alec pool bar on a sub soi off of soi 4. she looks about 22 and had the tits of an 18 yo. if she lost about 2 kilos she'd be a little spinner. no children and looked better naked than i expected. i don't know how you'd get one of those big porno cocks in that little hole.

and my final comment will be my 2 satang on talent - yes, it's true, there are some downright pathetic offerings. i had time to watch and take it in when still hanging out on 7/1. too many ladyboys and fat old women to be sure. but, the gems are right there too. not hiding, easy to find. i'm wondering if many of the better ones are at massage places. i saw one on soi 8 that might be a 10 in looks. looked about 20 yeas old. after i try another one on my list today, i'll take one for the team and check her out.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]Although I quote his post, the following does not necessarily refer to Dreams' take on Eden, it's just meant as a general comment about the experience.

Since I'm lazy I'll start by copying here what I wrote about my recent Devil's Den experience (Eden and DD offer exactly the same services in the same settings at the same prices).

Eden is famous and therefore many of us stop there sooner or later, but I gather that those who, like me, don't have any particular fetish or extremely kinky desire, are the minority.

Eden and DD mainly cater to a certain segment of punters, so if the "normal/average" monger wants to enjoy the experience, he needs to go in there with the right mindset and most importantly comunicate what he wishes for to the providers.

And a second visit might be needed to get the hang of it.

But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.

By the way, my next time in Thailand I'll try the 2 girl out-call experience, to check how it compares to the on-the-premises one.

My 2 cents,

Ryo[/QUOTE]Well, Eden actually grows on you. The first time is a bit scary and yes, it does take a couple of visits to settle down. Once you have settled for your "main" girl, the Eden experience really becomes fantastic. I use the same girl and every time I go, I m surprised at how she makes sure all my requirements are met. She remembers everything about what I like and she actually instructs the second girl, in a way, leading the session. Don't give up: you'll get to enjoy the experience on your follow-up visits.

What are the current prices for st and lt in nana car parking lot? Or in clubs like, climax, bossy?

Thanks for your answers.

[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.[/QUOTE]I've been going to Eden and Hell Club/DD since they opened, though I get the urge only a few times per year. Only recently did I realize why I don't go more often.

It isn't the way the girls like to program the activities. That's easy enough to override. It isn't the fake moans etc. Better they fake it a bit than act totally disinterested, which is probably how they feel a lot of the time.

No, my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking but don't have much of a clue about eroticism. It's all full-on, all the time. They can shove any body part (or toy) into any other body part, and then slam on and on forever. But when it comes to gradually building up the excitement, most don't have a clue. Think of the way a good soapy girl can spend an hour very slowly and subtly working you into an absolute haze of lust, even before the bonking.

So yes, we go to Eden/DD for the total wham-bang hardcore, and sometimes we all want that. But for me, most of the time, there's a lot more to sex than that.

[QUOTE=Henryv]I would respectfully disagree. At any age, I would, and do, make it a point of stopping at the desk to make sure they take my gals ID. If I remember, I say loud enough for my friend to hear: "its ok if you call me when she leaves."

One or two times it has helped me out in a tight spot, particularly in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=B9999]I went to Fantasia (amongst others. LOL) in NEP and BF'd a delightful, young, cute, slim, gorgeous, tiny, smooth-skinned lady. Took her back to my hotel (Landmark) and was lucky enough not to be stopped by security.[/QUOTE]

I totally approve!

Right on the mark with your comments and keen observation!

- Jerry


[QUOTE=Betong] No, my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking but don't have much of a clue about eroticism. It's all full-on, all the time. They can shove any body part (or toy) into any other body part, and then slam on and on forever. But when it comes to gradually building up the excitement, most don't have a clue. Think of the way a good soapy girl can spend an hour very slowly and subtly working you into an absolute haze of lust, even before the bonking.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ghatotkach]Well, Eden actually grows on you. The first time is a bit scary and yes, it does take a couple of visits to settle down. Once you have settled for your "main" girl, the Eden experience really becomes fantastic. I use the same girl and every time I go, I m surprised at how she makes sure all my requirements are met. She remembers everything about what I like and she actually instructs the second girl, in a way, leading the session. Don't give up: you'll get to enjoy the experience on your follow-up visits.[/QUOTE]
My experience was the opposite, the second visit was worst than the first and so was the third (and last...). But I am not a regular, just visiting hardly once a year, so not special status
To each his own, but I think it is good to have introduced a bit of criticism on Eden, so newbies will have more balanced views, and probably more realistic expectations.

Not a big deal, but last time I was told tipping was not necessary.

Any pressure to tip?

[QUOTE=Wolfie Mike]I visited Eden Club today for the first time. Following general advice on the forum I arrived around 1pm to get a larger selection of girls.

Had a quiet beer before arriving at Eden at a bar at the end of Soi 7/1. It was a nice change to have a beer and not be interrupted by a girl offering a massage :).

Although I have seen reports that Eden is hard to find I had no problem. Soi 7/1 is right under the Nana BTS station and there is a clear streetname sign. Eden is about half away up on the right hand side and is clearly signed.

Got inside and met Marc, who ran through the menu as I was a first timer. Had a quiet beer and watched the girls generally getting ready before getting them lined up. I would say there were about 20 girls, ranging from a 5 to an 8 in my opinion. I chose no. 3 from the left of the line and she chose no. 12 from the right. 3, called Lee, was cute and slim. 12, called Rose, was a larger girl. I probably would not have chosen 12 as she was not as slim as I like, but they did get on well! I also had them dress as schoolgirls - why not!! The room we used was clean, although it would not win a designers award, with mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

The girls told me business was slow.

It was a good experience, although sometimes I can find 2 girls is 1 too many. Cost was 4020 including drinks, plus tips for the girls.

WM[/QUOTE]

why are you boycotting star of light?

[quote=showdown]i have partaked in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] a lot lately after boycotting star of light. i can tell you that every girl there will do everything(most will not do anal however). they charge 1100 baht for short time. they actually are eager for short time as obviously they make more money. when partaking in st i take them to the third floor. most of you didn't know there is a 3rd floor but it is. there are two large rooms-one has a bed and the other has one vinyl couch. i always use the 3rd floor now for bj and st.

outside of the public sex and the bareback i hear is avaliable(you must be crazy to do that) i find [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] a better experience.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Henryv]Why are you boycotting Star of Light?[/QUOTE]

Please read my past report. I am disturbed at how they have treated non white patrons(they have outright discriminated against friends of mine) among other things. I don't feel there is any place for that especially when I know some guys that have sat in the bar and not one girl would talk to them even though they were educated respectful businessmen.

[QUOTE=Henryv]Not a big deal, but last time I was told tipping was not necessary.

Any pressure to tip?[/QUOTE]

Henryv,

No - no pressure whatsoever

[QUOTE=Betong]my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking...[/QUOTE]That's a problem?

[QUOTE=Showdown] I am disturbed at how they have treated non white patrons(they have outright discriminated against friends of mine) among other things. I don't feel there is any place for that especially when I know some guys that have sat in the bar and not one girl would talk to them even though they were educated respectful businessmen.[/QUOTE]
What races?

[QUOTE=Amjeck]What races?[/QUOTE]

Amjeck,
In Thailand it is the “perceived race” that seems to be the most important thing.
I remember a few years ago sitting in one of the “upstairs bars" in Patpong 1.
As was usual I was enjoying myself with a couple of scantly clad playmates but noticed a young guy sitting a couple of tables away from me. He was on his own and none of the girls seemed to want to go near him!
While my playmates were doing their dancing shift he asked me if I could speak English and when I confirmed that I could we started to talk.
This guy was (much) younger than me, good looking, well dressed and seemed to have a pleasant personality.
It was his 1st time (perhaps even his first night) in BKK and was surprised that none of the girls would come near him!!
He asked me what he was doing wrong!
For him, it seemed absolutely crazy that I (an old fart) could have the pleasant company of a couple of young playmates but he could not even to get girls to come near him?
He was from USA but had, he told me, some American (Red) Indian ancestry so looked rather “Asian” in appearance.
I gently explained to him that, from the way he looked, the girls assumed he was from the Indian sub continent (and we all know what many Thai girls think of guys from that region!)
I asked him if he would like some company and when he said yes then spoke to one of my playmates, who by then had returned from dancing.
I explained to her that the guy was from USA, was Jai Dee, and would like some company. She then called over another dancer and spoke to her.
Within a few minutes the guy had an attentive playmate and a BIG smile on his face!
He thanked me, and bought me a beer. When I left a little later the guy was as happy and seemed to be negotiating rates for a S/T encounter!
So, I believe that the girls would not sit with him was because of his “perceived race” but, when someone who they knew, told them that he was From USA and NOT the Asian sub continent they were perfectly happy to be with him!!!
Go figure!

Hotman

[QUOTE=Hotman 666]Amjeck,
In Thailand it is the “perceived race” that seems to be the most important thing.
I remember a few years ago sitting in one of the “upstairs bars" in Patpong 1.
As was usual I was enjoying myself with a couple of scantly clad playmates but noticed a young guy sitting a couple of tables away from me. He was on his own and none of the girls seemed to want to go near him!
While my playmates were doing their dancing shift he asked me if I could speak English and when I confirmed that I could we started to talk.
This guy was (much) younger than me, good looking, well dressed and seemed to have a pleasant personality.
It was his 1st time (perhaps even his first night) in BKK and was surprised that none of the girls would come near him!!
He asked me what he was doing wrong!
For him, it seemed absolutely crazy that I (an old fart) could have the pleasant company of a couple of young playmates but he could not even to get girls to come near him?
He was from USA but had, he told me, some American (Red) Indian ancestry so looked rather “Asian” in appearance.
I gently explained to him that, from the way he looked, the girls assumed he was from the Indian sub continent (and we all know what many Thai girls think of guys from that region!)
I asked him if he would like some company and when he said yes then spoke to one of my playmates, who by then had returned from dancing.
I explained to her that the guy was from USA, was Jai Dee, and would like some company. She then called over another dancer and spoke to her.
Within a few minutes the guy had an attentive playmate and a BIG smile on his face!
He thanked me, and bought me a beer. When I left a little later the guy was as happy and seemed to be negotiating rates for a S/T encounter!
So, I believe that the girls would not sit with him was because of his “perceived race” but, when someone who they knew, told them that he was From USA and NOT the Asian sub continent they were perfectly happy to be with him!!!
Go figure!

Hotman[/QUOTE]
Yes, In Thailand percieved race is a problem sometimes. They refuse entry to the club saying private party. If anybody encounters this problem it is always better to get chummy with the mamasan and buy her a drink. She will definitely take care of you. At the same time be agressive rather than timid and sit in a corner expecting all girls to jump on you.
It is true Indians and middle east look has a disadvantage. But this country being the biggest party place if you play your cards right will get what you want.
I think the situation you discribed is ecause this guy is new to the field. I am sure soon he will learn and be an expert.

This just sounds like Aon, number 26 in Shark. Sometimes she's very nice and very naughty,taking it up in the ass and swallowing every last drop of cum but at other times acts very strange, especially when high or drunk while her Australian sponsor, for whom she has a sort of a crush calls her, then she gets all moody and upset. Apparently the guy sends her some cash every month but not enough to cover all her and her family needs, so she still hooks but hating it.

Anyway, if you catch her in the right mood she is perfect and at other times a nightmare.




[QUOTE=Ryo Saeba]My second time in Bangkok.

I stayed at the Jasmine Executive Suites on soi 23, plus visited Mango Massage, Annie's and Akane Chit Lom (see separate posts for all).

Went to Soi Cowboy two nights in a row, Monday and Tuesday.

On Monday most go-gos were pretty empty, at least after midnight, I would say the only place filled to the rafters was Tilac.

Quite a few good looking girls inside, I spoke to one who wished to go to the Full Moon Party in Pha Ngan so that she could "[I]see farang make boom boom on the beach[/I]".

Also witnessed a drunk punter getting his ass kicked by a ladyboy.

On Tuesday there were more people around, but after a couple of quick stops I went to Shark, and never left. I remembered Shark from my previous visit a year and a half ago as the establishment with the better looking dancers, and while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I confirmed my preference. Tall, leggy, busty babes with see-through yellow tops. A fucking dream.

So anyway, once in I take things slowly, waiting for two sets of girls to go through their time on the stage before I finally make my decision. I go for the slimmest, leggiest of them all, and when she looks my way I offer her my tried and tested George Clooney smile, which she finds very resistible. Mai pen rai, I don't get discouraged easily, and I wave her Hello, and signal her to come seat next to me. She likely turns out to be a lot friendlier than her looks and demeanor may lead to believe, and is delighted to find out that my hotel is around the corner.

After some fondling to make sure she's as toned as she appeared to be, we strike a LT deal.

Back in my room I have a hard time not to spend the whole night looking at her perfectly shaped thighs, but finally succumb to her other charms (she's basically deep-throating me by now).

We have a good session, after which, exhausted, I turn off the lights.

Now, here comes the interesting part.

When the morning after I wake up, I'm startled to find her well awake, her face no more than a few centimeters from mine, looking intently at me. I give her the good morning, to which she nods mechanically without uttering word, her gaze fixed on me like she's faced with a difficult mathematical equation. I'm still sleepy so I close my eyes, but no sooner I've done that that I feel her soft hand gently caressing my face. Still groggy from sleep and unable to formulate a sentence to express her my appreciation for the kind gesture, I dumbly repeat my good morning.

It's at that point that she hits me with one of those statement/question which are difficult to immediately evaluate and reply to:

HER – [I]you like me, yes? [/I]

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

ME – [I]er. You are very beautiful[/I]

HER – [I]you have girlfriend? [/I]

ME – [I]in my country I have girlfriend, yes. [/I] Which isn't true but I think I see where this is leading.

HER – [I]but, if you have girlfriend and sleep with me, you no good man[/I]

All right, she's obviously better than me at this game and, one way or another, she'd end up cornering me, so:

ME – [I]maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend[/I]

She's not just staring at me now, she's probing my fucking soul. Having someone do that to you from so close is unsettling.

HER – [I]you make love like boyfriend[/I]

ME – [I]uh. Ah. I always make love like that. [/I]

HER – [I]you no tell lie to me, no? [/I] Her frown is downright menacing now, and if I wasn't double her size I'd probably run for cover.

ME – [I]I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend[/I]

Her face undergoes a dramatic, sudden change: the scary look melts into the puppy-eyed look, in fact her whole body seems to shrink and fold.

HER – [I]why you no like me? [/I], she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – [I]I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again[/I]

In a last effort she turns away from me, pretending to be hurt, but I found out during the night that she's incredibly ticklish, so I go for her weak spots and before long she surrenders to defeat, laughing like crazy, begging me to stop.

She knows she owes me another round, but before I can get down to business she jumps out of the bed and says – [I]we breakfast now, later we boom boom again, yes? [/I]

After all she's still better than me. Probably getting a meal out of me has been the plan all along, the rest just a ploy to get to it. – [I]yes, we breakfast now[/I]. I concede.

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.

Not directly mongering related, but I found a couple of restaurant options worth mentioning:

BANKARA RAMEN

If you are a fan of jap noodle soups, this one is the real deal.

Soi 39, after soi Phrom Mit, on the right, inside the Manor complex.

11 GALLERY

Thai food in an old style environment.

Off soi 11, in a tiny L-shaped alley opposite the Ambassador.

Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.

Rows of regular Thai beauties at Siam Paragon.

Ryo[/QUOTE]

Thanks for helping a fellow traveller.

You are a gentleman. And I mean that in the best sense! ;-)

[QUOTE=Hotman 666]Amjeck,

It was his 1st time (perhaps even his first night) in BKK and was surprised that none of the girls would come near him!!
...
I asked him if he would like some company and when he said yes then spoke to one of my playmates, who by then had returned from dancing.
I explained to her that the guy was from USA, was Jai Dee, and would like some company. She then called over another dancer and spoke to her.
Within a few minutes the guy had an attentive playmate and a BIG smile on his face!

Hotman[/QUOTE]

Thank you for posting a name and a number. I believe some guys actually get jealous and that is the reason they avoid, or convieniently forget to do this. Can have lots of fun if you know the gals name ahead of time.

[QUOTE=Spider916]This just sounds like Aon, number 26 in Shark. Sometimes she's very nice and very naughty,taking it up in the ass and swallowing every last drop of cum but at other times acts very strange, especially when high or drunk while her Australian sponsor, for whom she has a sort of a crush calls her, then she gets all moody and upset. Apparently the guy sends her some cash every month but not enough to cover all her and her family needs, so she still hooks but hating it.

Anyway, if you catch her in the right mood she is perfect and at other times a nightmare.[/QUOTE]

Last night Bangkok police did close Bangkok Beat and Climax already at 1.15 am. Someone must have not paid the bribes to the right people!

Lucky me I had a nice girl already in tow.

Same thing happened today at most nightspots.

This is an old ritual following the annual Mafia (upps, I mean Royal Thai Police) reshuffle.

Everything should be back to normal, in a few days when a mutually acceptable agreement on the right amount of squeeze has been reached. Until then, it's a good idea to close the deal with your honey before 1am, if you wanna get laid.

I hear that this year's Thonglor posting was especially expensive, so expect an increase in drink prices in Cowboy soon.





[QUOTE=Lakeside]Last night Bangkok police did close Bangkok Beat and Climax already at 1.15 am. Someone must have not paid the bribes to the right people!

Lucky me I had a nice girl already in tow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Desi Guy]I'm surprised and disagree with some of what you wrote. First, Midnite's music is really poor. They've been playing the same music for too long and its rarely anything new. Secondly, the lighting is very dark and frankly depressing. Also, navigating the winding staircase to get to the bathroom is a pain and not something you want to do after a few drinks! However to each their own. I prefer the lights, music and more affordable prices at Tilac (San Miguel: 135, lady drinks 100, water: 30).

As for the ladies, the most attractive ones are almost always the coyotes that you cannot barfine. I was there last night and they have a few new ones who were extremely cute but at 200/drink they'll drain your wallet but leave you unsatisfied.

I'd have to check out the girl you recommended. I will agree the shows can be good and last night I saw one of the best I've seen with two girls really going at it. More typical of what you'd see in a Pattaya bar and was a lot of fun. Once they were done the place really emptied out.[/QUOTE]I am quite surprised when you say that the lighting is very dark and depressing. I noticed no major differrence with other bars like Tilac , Baccara etc ... It almost sounds like we did not visit the same bar. Although when you mention the staircase to the first floor, I am sure we visited the same. No doubt ! I totally agree with you. In the end you're right. To each their own.

In fact Midnite might be a very average bar in Soi Cowboy. The point is that I was struck by the grace and kindness of this little lady who also proved to be very honnest and interesting to talk to. This defenetly influenced my perception. I have read many reports on the behaviour of these gogo girls who indeed try to drain you wallet and leave you insatified. You 're right. I went through some similar experiences many times. Well I guess we know the game anyway and should not complain if we fall in the trap.

However Apple behaved totally different from the other girls I have met before. In fact it was the first time I had such a nice time with a gogo girl. Tell me about your impression if you've checked midnite again !

Arrived Bangkok Thursday and wanted to try out Mango's after reading various reports in this forum, have tried numerous other massage places in the past and have been fairly satisfied with the service.

Arrived Mango's around 1600 hrs and asked to see Apple, the girl in the service counter must have mistaken that request for A Plus as the girl presented was not Apple, I was hot, sweaty and horny so I did not even realize this until entering the room.

It turned out to be Ice instead, I did not want to change as Ice seemed sweet enough, and actually the session was excellent, Ice was trying her best to please me in EVERY possible way.

I still wanted to try Apple and returned the next day again and made sure the speak very slowly and clear when making the request, and success Apple come out and took me to the room.

Apple is a beautiful girl with a sexy figur and nice breasts, again an excellent session where Apple was trying to make sure that I had the best possible experience, only thing I can point out is her loud moaning, else a very pleasant time and I will return.

Saturday, did not feel like having the energy left for a Mango session, so choose to have a decent massage at Lisa's on Silom road, just next to Sofitel Hotel, girl name Fun 23 years old, great looking, took me to the room for a 2 hour oil massage, this is not a place like Mango where the girl showers with you. Fun gave me a nice massage and kepts accidently and very descretly hitting my gentles which caused a reaction and I had difficulties laying on my stomach, she kept in going for most of the 2 hour session which made me extremely horny, and that was offcause also her intention, smart girl, as close to the end she made her hands slide slowly up and down my cock and asked if I wanted massage there, and my answer was obviously yes, and then she said 700 baht while holding my cock and I'm extremely horny, I was ready to agree to anything, just wanted her to continue, so accepted the deed knowning I over paid.

Bangkok is a great city.

For those who are crazy for TITS this girl may be for you.
Reportedly 29 years old and "no baby". Reportedly real, not bolt ons - felt real to me.

I was in search of a previous GF experience last night at the Queens Park Plaza Entertainment Center on soi 22. I think I got that name right - maybe not.

Not finding Mai, I spent some time in a bar having a beer and a meal. I did not get the name of the bar but it's easy to find as it it the last outdoor bar inside the complex. Just walk until you go past the big Thai restaurant and there it is - sharing a dividing wall with the restaurant.
Sorry - I know a name would be better. BUT - I DO have the name of the endowed lady - Da or maybe it's Daa.
Her face was OK - not amazing, not bad, but for those of you into those big firm naturals - check her out. A drink got me some touchy feely and a look at some nice matching big nipples and they weren't even hard yet.
I did not take her out as her vibe with me was marginal - I gave her every chance to reel me in and her "sisters" were trying to steal me from her. It almost seemed like she just arrived from the paddy - but more likely she was hoping for her regular bf to come get her.

Anyway - her tits were amazing and I'm more of an ass man!


C4T

[QUOTE=Dreams]My experience was the opposite, the second visit was worst than the first and so was the third (and last.). But I am not a regular, just visiting hardly once a year, so not special status.

To each his own, but I think it is good to have introduced a bit of criticism on Eden, so newbies will have more balanced views, and probably more realistic expectations.[/QUOTE]I agree with this completely. My second time at Eden was worse than the first time. For me Eden is just too mechanical and as another poster said, there is no build up just right to the sex. And the women are barely average in looks. I think it's absolutely a place to check out if you haven't before because it's so different, but I don't intend to go back.

[b]the noodly prelude[/b]
i used to live near a japanese noodle place in la called nagoya. they served the most delicious nagoya-style ramen i have ever had. it came in a red sesame-broth, with loads of different vegetables (mushrooms, carrots, spinach, celery, etc), and your choice of various meats. i would go there after work, or whenever i was particularly low on sugar, and order a veggie bowl.

i remember sitting there, waiting for my order to arrive, fingers fidgeting, smelling the odor of that delectable broth waft out of the kitchen, anxiously exchanging glances with the other equally anxious customers. we were all there for our sugar fix (noodles being as close to pure sugar as a food stuff can get), and we just couldn’t get it into our mouths fast enough.

when the bowl arrived, i would always look at it and think “oh man, that is not going to be enough…maybe i should order another bowl right now, so the second bowl arrives when i am finishing this first one…” i never would order the second bowl though.

the chop sticks would be ready to go, and as soon as the server’s hands were out of the way, i was pulling the first delightful strands of ramen out of the rich, red soup and slurping it up with complete disregard for my white work shirt. hot, silky ramen would hit my tongue, the tasty, spicy soup filled my mouth, bits of mushroom were swallowed whole without the patience for chewing even. i devoured the stuff like a man possessed, and for the first few, greedy mouthfuls i would be thinking “man, this is not going to be enough…i really should order another bowl…maybe two extra bowls this time?” but to order another bowl would mean i would need to stop stuffing the beautiful carbs into my face for a moment, long enough to compose myself, get the attention of the waiter, and place the order. fuck it – it was always easier to just gorge myself on the ramen in front of me.

as the ramen diminished, and as i approached the middle of the bowl, my frenetic pace would likewise diminish. i began to regain my senses again, my self-respect slowly returning. i started to realize that i was being stared at by the other guests. well, at least the ones who had finished their bowls and had the blood-sugar levels to look at me in disgust. the other guests were just fidgeting with their fingers waiting for their bowl, or embarrassing themselves the same way i was. but i started to slow down, the panic of having to get the noodles into me slowly being replaced by a more well-paced appreciation for the flavors.

and as you might predict, as i neared the end of the bowl, my blood sugar level reaching a peak, i began to feel nauseous. the sudden onslaught of carbs had flooded my system with sugar, and my head would begin to feel very light and airy at this point. i never flagged in my desire to consume every last drop of that delicious broth, to nab every little bit of mushroom and celery, but by the time i was scraping the bottom of the bowl, i knew i was done. a second bowl would just never be consumed, absolutely not with the same vigor and delight, and it would probably not even get finished. i was so full, so nauseous, so satiated that i could not even think of another bowl of that stuff. in fact, i needed to get out of that restaurant because the smell pouring from the kitchen was just so damned sickening, it made me want to vomit. and those damned customers slurping and lip-smacking, noodle-broth flying all over their faces and shirts – it made me sick watching them guzzle the food like shameless heathens. i would walk out of that noodle store completely satisfied and overly-satiated, convinced that i would never want to eat noodles again. until the next afternoon at 4pm when the urge returns.

[b]the point?[/b]
why am i telling you all this? well, the same cyclical pattern of total, unfettered greed > measured appreciation > complete satiation, usually exhibits itself in my mongering trips to thailand. i usually arrive like a starved working man, unable to restrain myself, eager to fuck anything in sight. i sex myself silly for an indeterminate period of time, oblivious to the shame to my character and the filth on my clothing, before the desperate panic subsides. i then have a few days of clarity in which i really appreciate what i am experiencing – a window of enlightened experience, if you will. but this is soon replaced by satiation, after which i begin to get sick of the experience. i start to wonder what else there is in the monger’s experience. do i really want to expend the energy to go out and find yet another girl? a girl who will play yet the same show of money vs. pleasure? who will do yet the same things with me? is it really worth my effort?

my past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. but this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. and add to that the fact that i will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. but what is a man to do?

so my goal over the 9 day trip is to try to understand, introspect on, examine, and perhaps (dare i say it?) *control* the above-described pattern. i wonder if the panic i feel at the beginning of a trip is generalized to all pleasurable sensory input? i wonder if thinking about it and trying to understand it will in any way inhibit it? or exaggerate it? i wonder if this might increase/decrease the overall satisfaction i get from the full 9 days? i wonder if i can control the decrease in pleasure i get as the trip wears on? i wonder if i can get on that plane at the end of the trip and be in a state of mind that is different from usual – that is, eager to return, knowing full well what i am leaving behind. let’s see how this unfolds.

[b]fair warning[/b]
my reports are not for all. as you can see already, i am verbose, to the point of being painful for some. if this is you, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

i include loads of details, but i don’t succinctly package them for you like other posters do. instead, i contextualize everything. so if i say i paid 10,000b for one night with a girl, then i will also tell you exactly why i did such an extreme thing. you wont be left thinking i am irrational (or maybe you will, who knows), but you will get my full rationale for my actions. some people don’t like this – they want the how much, how long, how many times, and info on where they can get the same, summarized into four lines. if this is you, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

i am often opinionated in that i will write my reports expressing my own, often unusual, perspective on mongering, without regard to the general mood of this forum. that is, crude exploitation of the ladies is not my thing. if i am completely honest, i exploit them in a more sophisticated way. i prefer to think of it less as exploitation and more of sharing an experience, but that may be delusion on my part. if you prefer the ‘i fucked her hard and paid her shit’ kind of reports, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

and finally, i enjoy writing. i think of it as mental masturbation, and like the regular masturbation, i like to do it long and slow. so if you don’t want to share in this activity, [u]please, just don’t read my reports[/u]. i am sure i am on a couple of people’s buddy lists, but i am also sure i am on a whole lot of other people’s ignore lists. this fair warning is an attempt to head off mindless and unnecessary flames for the above things. a futile attempt, i know, but still.

I'm starting to salivate already at the prospect of some tasty stories. Just don't make them too sugary... :)

[QUOTE=Kumbu]
My past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. But this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. And add to that the fact that I will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. But what is a man to do? [/QUOTE]
Kumbu, I hear what you are saying and I have a suggestion for you: pace yourself. My trips are all 30 to 45 day affairs. When I get away from the grind; I really want to unwind. I plan ahead but experience has shown me I always plan for more than I eventually do. Spending 45 days in South Asia (travelling to HKG, BKK, Pat, and Macau) for example, I always think about hitting this massage parlor or that sauna or bar in the late afternoon and then checking out this Go Go or that Hostess Bar after dinner. So adding up all my pre-trip planning, I calculate shagging a couple of girls a day, multiple times. But something always happens after about the first week of the trip that slows me down. Call it the law of diminishing marginal returns; I start to lose the desire. I can still get it up, the problem is not physical. It’s just too much of a good thing, my appetite decreases, and I start to feel satiated.

The remedy is self evident. I just let it go, relax and allow for my batteries to recharge. My desire always returns full force in one or two days and the party begins again, fresh. So while I may plan, pre-trip on banging 2 girls a day x 45 days which equals 90 girls, it never happens. My cumulative totals may vary, but nowadays I can accurately place my over/under at 33 girls total or getting laid on average 75% of days in the trip. This is my pace and like long distance running, I can keep it up and enjoy it for a very long time. When I exceed my pace for over a week, I begin to lose the desire. When I do less, I start to get randy if you know what I mean.

Sometimes I like to take a breather and head for a great beach for 4 or 5 days, no babes. In effect, I take a vacation from my trip. Last time in LOS, for example, I spent 10 days in BKK and 2 weeks in Pat, but in between, I relaxed and recharged in Ko Chang for 4 days. When I got back to Pat, I was on fire. On my next trip, I am planning to take 5 days off on Sabang Beach, Palawan in between 2.5 weeks in PI (Macau, AC and MNL), before heading to BKK and Pat for 3 weeks. This may not work for you, but it is something to consider IMHO.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Kumbu, I hear what you are saying and I have a suggestion for you: pace yourself. My trips are all 30 to 45 day affairs. When I get away from the grind; I really want to unwind. I plan ahead but experience has shown me I always plan for more than I eventually do. Spending 45 days in South Asia (travelling to HKG, BKK, Pat, and Macau) for example, I always think about hitting this massage parlor or that sauna or bar in the late afternoon and then checking out this Go Go or that Hostess Bar after dinner. So adding up all my pre-trip planning, I calculate shagging a couple of girls a day, multiple times. But something always happens after about the first week of the trip that slows me down. Call it the law of diminishing marginal returns; I start to lose the desire. I can still get it up, the problem is not physical. It’s just too much of a good thing, my appetite decreases, and I start to feel satiated.

The remedy is self evident. I just let it go, relax and allow for my batteries to recharge. My desire always returns full force in one or two days and the party begins again, fresh. So while I may plan, pre-trip on banging 2 girls a day x 45 days which equals 90 girls, it never happens. My cumulative totals may vary, but nowadays I can accurately place my over/under at 33 girls total or getting laid on average 75% of days in the trip. This is my pace and like long distance running, I can keep it up and enjoy it for a very long time. When I exceed my pace for over a week, I begin to lose the desire. When I do less, I start to get randy if you know what I mean.

Sometimes I like to take a breather and head for a great beach for 4 or 5 days, no babes. In effect, I take a vacation from my trip. Last time in LOS, for example, I spent 10 days in BKK and 2 weeks in Pat, but in between, I relaxed and recharged in Ko Chang for 4 days. When I got back to Pat, I was on fire. On my next trip, I am planning to take 5 days off on Sabang Beach, Palawan in between 2.5 weeks in PI (Macau, AC and MNL), before heading to BKK and Pat for 3 weeks. This may not work for you, but it is something to consider IMHO.[/QUOTE]I think you have just offered incredibly sensible advice to all of us.

Sadly most of us know intuitively that your plan makes sense but sometimes when its a compromise between lack of time and available shagging moments, the shagging wins out. A recent Manila trip had me doing 3 in one day and a total of 8 in 3 days. Heaven but exhausting.

Your plan makes way more sense.

one man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.


[quote=kumbu][b]the noodly prelude[/b]
i used to live near a japanese noodle place in la called nagoya. they served the most delicious nagoya-style ramen i have ever had. it came in a red sesame-broth, with loads of different vegetables (mushrooms, carrots, spinach, celery, etc), and your choice of various meats. i would go there after work, or whenever i was particularly low on sugar, and order a veggie bowl.

i remember sitting there, waiting for my order to arrive, fingers fidgeting, smelling the odor of that delectable broth waft out of the kitchen, anxiously exchanging glances with the other equally anxious customers. we were all there for our sugar fix (noodles being as close to pure sugar as a food stuff can get), and we just couldn’t get it into our mouths fast enough.

when the bowl arrived, i would always look at it and think “oh man, that is not going to be enough…maybe i should order another bowl right now, so the second bowl arrives when i am finishing this first one…” i never would order the second bowl though.

the chop sticks would be ready to go, and as soon as the server’s hands were out of the way, i was pulling the first delightful strands of ramen out of the rich, red soup and slurping it up with complete disregard for my white work shirt. hot, silky ramen would hit my tongue, the tasty, spicy soup filled my mouth, bits of mushroom were swallowed whole without the patience for chewing even. i devoured the stuff like a man possessed, and for the first few, greedy mouthfuls i would be thinking “man, this is not going to be enough…i really should order another bowl…maybe two extra bowls this time?” but to order another bowl would mean i would need to stop stuffing the beautiful carbs into my face for a moment, long enough to compose myself, get the attention of the waiter, and place the order. fuck it – it was always easier to just gorge myself on the ramen in front of me.

as the ramen diminished, and as i approached the middle of the bowl, my frenetic pace would likewise diminish. i began to regain my senses again, my self-respect slowly returning. i started to realize that i was being stared at by the other guests. well, at least the ones who had finished their bowls and had the blood-sugar levels to look at me in disgust. the other guests were just fidgeting with their fingers waiting for their bowl, or embarrassing themselves the same way i was. but i started to slow down, the panic of having to get the noodles into me slowly being replaced by a more well-paced appreciation for the flavors.

and as you might predict, as i neared the end of the bowl, my blood sugar level reaching a peak, i began to feel nauseous. the sudden onslaught of carbs had flooded my system with sugar, and my head would begin to feel very light and airy at this point. i never flagged in my desire to consume every last drop of that delicious broth, to nab every little bit of mushroom and celery, but by the time i was scraping the bottom of the bowl, i knew i was done. a second bowl would just never be consumed, absolutely not with the same vigor and delight, and it would probably not even get finished. i was so full, so nauseous, so satiated that i could not even think of another bowl of that stuff. in fact, i needed to get out of that restaurant because the smell pouring from the kitchen was just so damned sickening, it made me want to vomit. and those damned customers slurping and lip-smacking, noodle-broth flying all over their faces and shirts – it made me sick watching them guzzle the food like shameless heathens. i would walk out of that noodle store completely satisfied and overly-satiated, convinced that i would never want to eat noodles again. until the next afternoon at 4pm when the urge returns.

[b]the point?[/b]
why am i telling you all this? well, the same cyclical pattern of total, unfettered greed > measured appreciation > complete satiation, usually exhibits itself in my mongering trips to thailand. i usually arrive like a starved working man, unable to restrain myself, eager to fuck anything in sight. i sex myself silly for an indeterminate period of time, oblivious to the shame to my character and the filth on my clothing, before the desperate panic subsides. i then have a few days of clarity in which i really appreciate what i am experiencing – a window of enlightened experience, if you will. but this is soon replaced by satiation, after which i begin to get sick of the experience. i start to wonder what else there is in the monger’s experience. do i really want to expend the energy to go out and find yet another girl? a girl who will play yet the same show of money vs. pleasure? who will do yet the same things with me? is it really worth my effort?

my past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. but this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. and add to that the fact that i will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. but what is a man to do?

so my goal over the 9 day trip is to try to understand, introspect on, examine, and perhaps (dare i say it?) *control* the above-described pattern. i wonder if the panic i feel at the beginning of a trip is generalized to all pleasurable sensory input? i wonder if thinking about it and trying to understand it will in any way inhibit it? or exaggerate it? i wonder if this might increase/decrease the overall satisfaction i get from the full 9 days? i wonder if i can control the decrease in pleasure i get as the trip wears on? i wonder if i can get on that plane at the end of the trip and be in a state of mind that is different from usual – that is, eager to return, knowing full well what i am leaving behind. let’s see how this unfolds.

[b]fair warning[/b]
my reports are not for all. as you can see already, i am verbose, to the point of being painful for some. if this is you, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

i include loads of details, but i don’t succinctly package them for you like other posters do. instead, i contextualize everything. so if i say i paid 10,000b for one night with a girl, then i will also tell you exactly why i did such an extreme thing. you wont be left thinking i am irrational (or maybe you will, who knows), but you will get my full rationale for my actions. some people don’t like this – they want the how much, how long, how many times, and info on where they can get the same, summarized into four lines. if this is you, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

i am often opinionated in that i will write my reports expressing my own, often unusual, perspective on mongering, without regard to the general mood of this forum. that is, crude exploitation of the ladies is not my thing. if i am completely honest, i exploit them in a more sophisticated way. i prefer to think of it less as exploitation and more of sharing an experience, but that may be delusion on my part. if you prefer the ‘i fucked her hard and paid her shit’ kind of reports, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

and finally, i enjoy writing. i think of it as mental masturbation, and like the regular masturbation, i like to do it long and slow. so if you don’t want to share in this activity, [u]please, just don’t read my reports[/u]. i am sure i am on a couple of people’s buddy lists, but i am also sure i am on a whole lot of other people’s ignore lists. this fair warning is an attempt to head off mindless and unnecessary flames for the above things. a futile attempt, i know, but still.[/quote]

Henryv, this has come up before and the majority of forum members enjoy reading Kumbu's, IMHO excellent reports. So I suggest:

"If you don't like another Forum Member's reports, then simply add them to your "Ignore List" and you'll never see their reports again.

You can access your personal "Ignore List" under your User CP. Just login, select "User CP" from the top menu bar, then select "Buddy / Ignore Lists" from the left side column."

[QUOTE=David_33]Henryv, this has come up before and the majority of forum members enjoy reading Kumbu's, IMHO excellent reports.[/QUOTE]

I must agree. Now, where is the Kumbu report?? I want now, like Kae in Nana.

[QUOTE=Henryv]One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.[/QUOTE]

Please do NOT put me in that group,

I love a good story , a slice of the nightlife from a good writer is a treat that we do not often see here,

Kumbu tells a good story and I look forward to each chapter....

And you can always put him on ignore if it bores you :)

BK

[QUOTE=Henryv]One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.[/QUOTE]

Henry, here's what you don't get and I'm not sure why. Kumbu's reports really do contain a lot of "hard facts." Take the time to read his reports and you will find a lot of useful information whether it's taking the bus to Pattaya, his critique
of discos, prices of hotels, or whatever.

The only thing I can think of is that you are not a native English speaker and you have trouble digesting Kumbu's reports.

[QUOTE=Booey]Henry, here's what you don't get and I'm not sure why. Kumbu's reports really do contain a lot of "hard facts." Take the time to read his reports and you will find a lot of useful information whether it's taking the bus to Pattaya, his critique
of discos, prices of hotels, or whatever.

The only thing I can think of is that you are not a native English speaker and you have trouble digesting Kumbu's reports.[/QUOTE]


I'm a native English speaker and I generally skip reading Kumbu's reports because I consider them self-aggrandizement.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I'm a native English speaker and I generally skip reading Kumbu's reports because I consider them self-aggrandizement.[/QUOTE]A few lives back, when I was a full time skibum (for over 20 years), we used to say that some guys were "legends in their own minds."

Not that this was always derogatory, as "the legend" was usually entertaining, one way or another... ;)

Regarding Khun Kumbu, I say let him write all he wants. I find his approach refreshing in a world that is fast becoming a seas of short and vapid one line communications, and badly composed pussy shots.

[QUOTE=Henryv]One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.[/QUOTE]So why did you repost his whole report so that we see it twice?

But 'self-aggrandizement'?! Have you actually read any of his reports?

Anyway, hard facts are a fairly subjective point on this forum... There is a post on a parallel thread that says, in summary, went into bar, saw stunning 19yo waitress with perfect figure, gave her 300Bht for ST, shagged every hole and now she wants to be my gf. May be all hard facts, but it ain't never gonna happen to me... I much prefer Kumbu's thoughtful posts that I can actually relate to.

[QUOTE=Henryv]One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.[/QUOTE]Self aggrandizing? Henryv? You hear that loud buzzer echoing overhead?

"Most" is a dangerously elastic word. In this case, the [b]"one man's opinion"[/b] is yours and yours alone.

Personally: It takes about a minute to read each of Kumbu's supremely entertaining reports, (an excellent use of bandwidth IMHO.) If you don't like them, don't read them, simple as that. Just don't apply your "most" ethic to anyone else here.

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]A few lives back, when I was a full time skibum (for over 20 years), we used to say that some guys were "legends in their own minds."

Not that this was always derogatory, as "the legend" was usually entertaining, one way or another... ;)

Regarding Khun Kumbu, I say let him write all he wants. I find his approach refreshing in a world that is fast becoming a seas of short and vapid one line communications, and badly composed pussy shots.[/QUOTE]I'm with you on that. Generally his reports are easy to read, fun, funny and you clearly see his thought process(es) at time of deed-doing and time of writing.

I found his last series of reports from last trip were great and looked forward to his daily updates.

Then again I used to also regularly await the newspaper delivery boy sending the Beano and Dandy thru the mailbox back in the 60. S LOL.

[QUOTE=Barko]In this case, the [b]"one man's opinion"[/b] is yours and yours alone.[/QUOTE]

No, it's not.

Any man who needs to masturbate in Thailand, as Kumbu seems to be highly skilled at, is doing something wrong.

[QUOTE=Evianist]No, it's not.

Any man who needs to masturbate in Thailand, as Kumbu seems to be highly skilled at, is doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]You just don't get it... :) He does do lots of things wrong; so do I; so perhaps do you... But Kumbu tells us about it in an amusing and informative way.

Still don't see how you can call that self-agrandizement.

Anyway, enough debating non-existent posts. We all know the solution is to ignore posts we find boring. Let's move on.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]You just don't get it... :) He does do lots of things wrong; so do I; so perhaps do you... But Kumbu tells us about it in an amusing and informative way. [/QUOTE]

Perhaps you simply enjoy watching other men masturbate more than I do.

To each his own.

guys:

i've been reading the forum as much as i can over the last few weeks. i've secured a lot of info and i thank for you that.

after lots of traveling and living in latin america (see recent reports for san jose and managua if interested) i'm headed off to thailand. i have a question that has not been answered.

what is the limit to the level of depravity? i'm a huge pervert. i can get off on vanilla sex with no problem, but i really get going for the nasty stuff like:

- giving and receiving [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url].

- drinking breast milk.

- pregnant women.

- licking ass.

- having sex with a women or getting a blow job from a woman immediately after another guy did, with the cream still inside / on her face and mouth.

- group action: mff, mfff, mfm, mfmf.

etc.

what is the availability? any recommendations on exact places to go? i will be traveling solo. will requests for girls in bars to find a guy to join us be viewed as insane and rejected outright?

thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Evianist]Perhaps you simply enjoy watching other men masturbate more than I do.[/QUOTE]Unnecessarily offensive... :( If you can't string words together to make a coherent argument then why bother posting?

[quote=rick rock]
what is the availability? any recommendations on exact places to go? i will be traveling solo. will requests for girls in bars to find a guy to join us be viewed as insane and rejected outright?

thanks in advance.[/quote]

depends on your budget

the licking ass/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103][CodeWord103][/url]/group action can probably be completed efficiently at eden.

as for the preggers it could be a bit hit and miss but as i recall another poster earlier this year had a similar fetish and apparently had a steady of them supply going but that was in pattaya. i'd say that would be the place. i've seen a few on beach rd but almost none who were definately working in bangkok in my mind.

maybe you could hire some gay thai rentboy (as they're probably easier to find for your purposes) to creampie the chick but i'm pretty sure you won't find many affianados here familar with that kind of scene.

you could even, as an act of charity, reach out to some of the more budget conscious mongers on the board who reside in los like opebo who enjoy a good creampie and offer to pay for their session in return for their sloppy seconds.

great post kumbu!

as sam elliot says in bl : "i like your style , dud."

you colorfully describe what i think is a real problem for most. i think the suggestion to pace your self is spot on. another thing you may think about is settling on one girl at the end of your trip. this will give you a chance to connect on a more emotional level and really enjoy the person. i found a real gem my last trip. sexy and sweet. no rocket scientist but i had fun hearing about her simple life in the provinces and just loved it when she showered me with thai kisses.

i am envious of your upcoming trip. i am trying to finagle a trip in january. if i do make it i will go hog wild my first week, and then spend the last week with this girl. perhaps take her on a romantic trip to an island somewhere. (like koh chang - which is just gorgeous.) plus it feels good to do something for someone who you like, as many of these girls really don't have the chance to travel.

the danger of this kind of course of action is that you may grow too attached and end up paying for the waterbuffalo and the grandma's operations while she is two-timing you with some god awful dude. but i guess i am a bit too jaded to ever really get into too much trouble.

in any case i know you will have a great adventure and look forward to your posts.

stay horny my friend...

uncle-v


[quote=kumbu][b]the noodly prelude[/b]
i used to live near a japanese noodle place in la called nagoya. they served the most delicious nagoya-style ramen i have ever had. it came in a red sesame-broth, with loads of different vegetables (mushrooms, carrots, spinach, celery, etc), and your choice of various meats. i would go there after work, or whenever i was particularly low on sugar, and order a veggie bowl.

i remember sitting there, waiting for my order to arrive, fingers fidgeting, smelling the odor of that delectable broth waft out of the kitchen, anxiously exchanging glances with the other equally anxious customers. we were all there for our sugar fix (noodles being as close to pure sugar as a food stuff can get), and we just couldn’t get it into our mouths fast enough.

when the bowl arrived, i would always look at it and think “oh man, that is not going to be enough…maybe i should order another bowl right now, so the second bowl arrives when i am finishing this first one…” i never would order the second bowl though.

the chop sticks would be ready to go, and as soon as the server’s hands were out of the way, i was pulling the first delightful strands of ramen out of the rich, red soup and slurping it up with complete disregard for my white work shirt. hot, silky ramen would hit my tongue, the tasty, spicy soup filled my mouth, bits of mushroom were swallowed whole without the patience for chewing even. i devoured the stuff like a man possessed, and for the first few, greedy mouthfuls i would be thinking “man, this is not going to be enough…i really should order another bowl…maybe two extra bowls this time?” but to order another bowl would mean i would need to stop stuffing the beautiful carbs into my face for a moment, long enough to compose myself, get the attention of the waiter, and place the order. fuck it – it was always easier to just gorge myself on the ramen in front of me.

as the ramen diminished, and as i approached the middle of the bowl, my frenetic pace would likewise diminish. i began to regain my senses again, my self-respect slowly returning. i started to realize that i was being stared at by the other guests. well, at least the ones who had finished their bowls and had the blood-sugar levels to look at me in disgust. the other guests were just fidgeting with their fingers waiting for their bowl, or embarrassing themselves the same way i was. but i started to slow down, the panic of having to get the noodles into me slowly being replaced by a more well-paced appreciation for the flavors.

and as you might predict, as i neared the end of the bowl, my blood sugar level reaching a peak, i began to feel nauseous. the sudden onslaught of carbs had flooded my system with sugar, and my head would begin to feel very light and airy at this point. i never flagged in my desire to consume every last drop of that delicious broth, to nab every little bit of mushroom and celery, but by the time i was scraping the bottom of the bowl, i knew i was done. a second bowl would just never be consumed, absolutely not with the same vigor and delight, and it would probably not even get finished. i was so full, so nauseous, so satiated that i could not even think of another bowl of that stuff. in fact, i needed to get out of that restaurant because the smell pouring from the kitchen was just so damned sickening, it made me want to vomit. and those damned customers slurping and lip-smacking, noodle-broth flying all over their faces and shirts – it made me sick watching them guzzle the food like shameless heathens. i would walk out of that noodle store completely satisfied and overly-satiated, convinced that i would never want to eat noodles again. until the next afternoon at 4pm when the urge returns.

[b]the point?[/b]
why am i telling you all this? well, the same cyclical pattern of total, unfettered greed > measured appreciation > complete satiation, usually exhibits itself in my mongering trips to thailand. i usually arrive like a starved working man, unable to restrain myself, eager to fuck anything in sight. i sex myself silly for an indeterminate period of time, oblivious to the shame to my character and the filth on my clothing, before the desperate panic subsides. i then have a few days of clarity in which i really appreciate what i am experiencing – a window of enlightened experience, if you will. but this is soon replaced by satiation, after which i begin to get sick of the experience. i start to wonder what else there is in the monger’s experience. do i really want to expend the energy to go out and find yet another girl? a girl who will play yet the same show of money vs. pleasure? who will do yet the same things with me? is it really worth my effort?

my past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. but this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. and add to that the fact that i will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. but what is a man to do?

so my goal over the 9 day trip is to try to understand, introspect on, examine, and perhaps (dare i say it?) *control* the above-described pattern. i wonder if the panic i feel at the beginning of a trip is generalized to all pleasurable sensory input? i wonder if thinking about it and trying to understand it will in any way inhibit it? or exaggerate it? i wonder if this might increase/decrease the overall satisfaction i get from the full 9 days? i wonder if i can control the decrease in pleasure i get as the trip wears on? i wonder if i can get on that plane at the end of the trip and be in a state of mind that is different from usual – that is, eager to return, knowing full well what i am leaving behind. let’s see how this unfolds.

[b]fair warning[/b]
my reports are not for all. as you can see already, i am verbose, to the point of being painful for some. if this is you, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

i include loads of details, but i don’t succinctly package them for you like other posters do. instead, i contextualize everything. so if i say i paid 10,000b for one night with a girl, then i will also tell you exactly why i did such an extreme thing. you wont be left thinking i am irrational (or maybe you will, who knows), but you will get my full rationale for my actions. some people don’t like this – they want the how much, how long, how many times, and info on where they can get the same, summarized into four lines. if this is you, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

i am often opinionated in that i will write my reports expressing my own, often unusual, perspective on mongering, without regard to the general mood of this forum. that is, crude exploitation of the ladies is not my thing. if i am completely honest, i exploit them in a more sophisticated way. i prefer to think of it less as exploitation and more of sharing an experience, but that may be delusion on my part. if you prefer the ‘i fucked her hard and paid her shit’ kind of reports, [u]please don’t read my reports[/u].

and finally, i enjoy writing. i think of it as mental masturbation, and like the regular masturbation, i like to do it long and slow. so if you don’t want to share in this activity, [u]please, just don’t read my reports[/u]. i am sure i am on a couple of people’s buddy lists, but i am also sure i am on a whole lot of other people’s ignore lists. this fair warning is an attempt to head off mindless and unnecessary flames for the above things. a futile attempt, i know, but still.[/quote]

Great Pick! Where can i find her!!!!!

[QUOTE=Fon Tok]A few lives back, when I was a full time skibum (for over 20 years), we used to say that some guys were "legends in their own minds."

Not that this was always derogatory, as "the legend" was usually entertaining, one way or another... ;)

Regarding Khun Kumbu, I say let him write all he wants. I find his approach refreshing in a world that is fast becoming a seas of short and vapid one line communications, and badly composed pussy shots.[/QUOTE]

Is there anything else like the Eden club near soi cowboy or something more upscale?

Yeah, the advise from Natty Bumpo, Uncle V and others is sensible. But I was actually thinking about what means I could use to try to lengthen that initial, intense greed. I mean, pacing yourself is a kind of method to minimize the initial surge, thereby delaying the inevitable drop-off. I wonder what means I could use to still get that initial, frenzied, seemingly-insatiable lust to last longer than it usually does. Besides drugs that is. Well, that's my aim now, so let's see if I come out of this trip any more enlightened/informed than I am now.

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I shall refrain from rehashing the old self-aggrandizing debate (as David33 said, we've been through this before - seemingly every time I post anything new, hence my Fair Warning). And as I said in that opening post, under Fair Warning, [b][u]just don't read my posts.[/u][/b] It ain't that hard.
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“Good afternoon sir, flying to Narita today?”
“Umm, yes.”
“And your final destination is...(fingers clickety-clack on her keyboard)...Bangkok...”

The pretty, brunette, mid-30s ANA counter lady looks down uncomfortably, avoiding my eye gaze. Bangkok? A single man, flying to Bangkok, for 9 days...with that glint in his eye...what else could it be?

I felt like blurting out “It's for business! Yes, business...work, I'm going there for work - WORK! I'm not a pervert, I'm NOT...really.”

But of course...I am.

Well...

You readers of this forum obviously don't share in that assessment. We are doing what is very natural for men, and the labels that society places on us are just that: labels. But nonetheless, no matter how much I rationalize it to myself, and no matter how much solace I find in fora like this one, I still can't shake the judgmental looks and insinuating glances I get. Sometimes I think I imagine those insinuations even when they are not there, so strong is the power of society over me. But that hasn't stopped me from doing what must be done.

I flew through Narita, enjoyed the finger sandwiches in the ANA lounge, along with a score of espressos. Appropriately jacked up on caffeine, I worked my ass off for the duration of the layover and the entire 6 hour flight to BKK so that upon landing, I was guilt-free and ready to rumble.

The plane touched down at 10:33pm; Our gate was right next to immigration, so no endless hustling through those long, never-ending corridors in Suvarnabhumi. I whizzed through immigration, grabbed my luggage and scampered through customs, and found my way to the first floor taxi stand. I was sitting in my taxi by 11:05, and at my hotel at exactly 11:35pm. The meter read 238B, plus the 70 in tolls, plus the 50B airport surcharge – you do the math. One hour from touchdown to arrival at the hotel – I think this is only possible if you arrive late at night, as there is no traffic at that time.

I booked half my stay in the Grand Millennium, using [b]that amazingly helpful Wotif post from [u]Barko[/u][/b] in the BKK Hotels thread (once again, many thanks Barko). The hotel looks good, at least so far, although picky Kumbu has found some things to complain about (all minor). I will post a full report in the hotels thread upon my departure. I say 'half my stay' because I want to try different hotels. So I plan to book the last part of my stay in some (yet-to-be-determined) hotel.

I was pretty tired, but since when is that a consideration? I needed me some noodles, metaphorically speaking of course, and so I showered and trotted off towards Soi Cowboy. Arrival time at SC: 1am.

I'm staying with my gf for a few nights in BKK, and looking for suggestions of places to visit in the evening. She is cool about going into gogo bars, but actually they are of course a bit boring for a couple, as not really a place to chat (or eat). So I was thinking about more Thai-oriented clubs, where we can sit and have a drink and some food, watch some entertainment, which doesn't have to be too raunchy (but a few coyote dancers would really help). Doesn't have to be particularly high-end or hi-so, in fact probably more fun if it's not. And neither of us are particularly into dancing the night away, me because of my arthritic limbs and complete absence of musical co-ordination, and her because of her shame at being seen with an arthritic senior...

I went to the Tawandang German Brewery (I think) and that was OK, and still remember the Coliseum with fondness. Suggestions for anything similar (especially with some easy-on-the-eye attractions) would be much appreciated.

I have this sense that there is a huge world of night-spots out there of which I am completely ignorant. But perhaps not?

[QUOTE=Mouse1]I'm staying with my gf for a few nights in BKK, and looking for suggestions of places to visit in the evening....I have this sense that there is a huge world of night-spots out there of which I am completely ignorant. But perhaps not?[/QUOTE]Maybe try the Isaan Tawandang Club. I had a good time there with a couple of Tulip girls a few months back. Good cabaret show, cheap food and drink prices, 100% Thai fun. Bring a big bottle of Johnny Red and make some new friends!

From a website that featured this club ([url]http://www.afana.org/tawan.htm[/url]):

...484 Pattanakarn Road, Bangkok 10250. If you're near SkyTrain/BTS, a good way to get there is to take the Sukhumvit line south to Phrom Phong, then a taxi (approx. 55 baht, on the meter) to the club. At the bottom of this page, there is a map in Thai that you can print and give to your cab driver...."

[QUOTE=Rick Rock]Guys:

I have a question that has not been answered. . .
. . . . What is the availability? Any recommendations on exact places to go? I will be traveling solo. Will requests for girls in bars to find a guy to join us . . .

Maybe I can help you with some advice.
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[QUOTE=Fon Tok]Maybe try the Isaan Tawandang Club. I had a good time there with a couple of Tulip girls a few months back. Good cabaret show, cheap food and drink prices, 100% Thai fun. Bring a big bottle of Johnny Red and make some new friends!

From a website that featured this club ([url]http://www.afana.org/tawan.htm[/url]):

...484 Pattanakarn Road, Bangkok 10250. If you're near SkyTrain/BTS, a good way to get there is to take the Sukhumvit line south to Phrom Phong, then a taxi (approx. 55 baht, on the meter) to the club. At the bottom of this page, there is a map in Thai that you can print and give to your cab driver...."[/QUOTE]Aaah, it was the Isaan Tawandang Club I went to, not the Tawandang German Brewery...! It certainly didn't seem German so I was a bit uncertain. Anyway, it was good, so I'll head over there tomorrow night.

Thanks for correcting my memory.

Would like to go tonight but gf is coming over at 7pm so we may just stay in with a good book and a mug of cocoa. :)

how many times have you gone to opening day at a sporting game? dodgers, lakers, arsenal, whatever – the first day, especially the first home game, has a special significance. that's because the whole off season has been spent building up the anticipation for this day. and it is finally here.

so what happens if your team loses that first game? do you lose hope for the rest of the season? do you throw in the towel and start supporting the more successful team? if arsenal had lost that opening game to liverpool, you can be damned sure i would not have become a chelsea fan. or a united fan. so no, the answer is that you don't lose hope for the season, you just chalk it up to the events of the day and expect better for the rest of the season.

by now you can probably predict what is about to come. yes my friends, my first night in bkk was like the opening day loss of the dodgers to the pittsburgh. not pleasant, but you get over it and expect things to get better. like with sports, my bkk trip involved a long, expectant run-up, the build-up of expectations of a stunning, home-run-fest. but as has happened on 5 of the last 9 opening day games at dodger stadium, i was left disappointed, wondering what the rest of this season will hold.

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so here is a summary of what happened on thursday night:
- suzie wong's, accosted by plus-sized waitress, had a near-death experience, escaped with my life and minus one leg.
- climax, plenty of talent, ran into an old acquaintance, ran away like a scared child.
- nana liquid, plenty of talent, made nicy with two young beauties, ended up with the wrong one.
- back at the hotel, things end with a dud.
- the ever-optimistic kumbu expects more from tonight.
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soi cowboy, thursday, 1am

there was a thick sense of rain on the way, with flashes of lightening in the not-too-distant sky. the soi was quite full - i had to push my way through the crowds. i reveled in the familiar sense of eyes pressing against me, the sense that i was a target, or a mark, if you will. aaah, it's good to be back in bangkok. it is intoxicating – the attention you receive as a foreign man in a whoring paradise. the expectation that your wallet is fuller of money than your balls are of semen is a powerful motivator for girls here, and i enjoy every minute of it. i got a couple of cat-calls, which always brings up the mixture of pleasure and discomfort. but as always, i ignored them and walked through the soi, sizing up what my first pit-stop should be.

i'm not sure why, but i walked in to suzie wong's. there were five girls on stage, nude, several wearing fish-net stockings. there were about 10 customers in there, many with some girls hanging on to them. so i think the overall ratio of guys-to-girls must have been 1:1 (perhaps a few more girls than guys).

of the five on stage, three caught my eye (not a bad percentage). the first girl, upon further consideration, was not particularly special to me. i mean, she was pretty and everything, but nothing really jumped out at me.

the second girl, #55, was a strong-legged lass, which always pleases the leg-oriented kumbu. her legs were not 'thick' per se, but they were substantial, perhaps slightly over-weight. furthermore, she had plenty of well-shaped and well-distributed meat on her backside. her face was, well, pretty, but not any more so than the other girls in the joint. upon more careful scrutiny, i began to discern some issues. first, she was rather dour-faced tonight, suggesting perhaps some mood issues. or general disinterest, neither of which are good. second, the careful eye of kumbu found some well-hidden scarring on her belly, indicative of her having been with child. that's not a problem for me, but just something to note. the more i looked at her, the more i thought that she was actually a little over-weight. but in the hyped up, super-hormonal state that i was in, i would have had a delightful time with her (i am sure).

the third girl, #9, had by far the prettiest face amongst the group, and the prettiest physique. she had very small breasts, perhaps a cup (if that). but her ass and legs were spectacular. her ass was shapely, without being bulgy, and her legs were long and elegant. they were not too thick, but shapely, with a nice calf and totally well-proportioned thighs. plus this girl had a smile on her that would melt the hardest of hearts (and harden the softest of crotches). she had a super-star haircut, which is probably a bad sign (such haircuts sometimes mean high expectations on the girl's part). nonetheless, kumbu was warming to #9. i did notice some trivial negatives, like her finger nails were close-cropped, with smallish nails (dispreferred by kumbu), and worst of all, kumbu was getting very little love from her.

actually, both #9 and #55, who were dancing right next to each other, had their attention squarely fixed on the japanese gent in the front row. he was a twenty-something guy being courted by the ladyboy mama san. he had a row of tequila shots in front of him, and there was a general buzz around him. the two girls of my fancy were busy trying to attract his attention - “oh pick me!”

so i sat patiently, sipping my drink, watching the ladies and the other customers. there was an awkward looking white guy on the other side of the bar, wearing a baseball cap and looking a little like a stalker. and he, like me, was getting no attention. by that logic, by the transitive property of stalkerhood, i look like a stalker too :) there were some older gents (older than me, i'm guessing in their sixties), two sets of pairs, both engrossed in conversation with each other, each with a lady bouncing on a knee. and then there were the odd nondescript individuals milling about.

in front of me was a 200 pound waitress with monster bazooms harassing a guy, bouncing on his knee, grabbing his hand and forcing it into her voluminous chest meat. he seemed uncomfortable, but the routine was obvious – he gets (unwanted) groping of her breasts, and he is then obliged to cough up the cash. she was forcing his hands into her breasts, bending over and giving him a fake bj (??), rubbing her very large ass on his legs - it was not a pretty sight. the guy eventually got tired of this, gulped down the rest of his beer and paid up. big mama then starts the shrill screaming about him not tipping. he drops a 20 on her, and she screams about how this is robbery – (southern belle accent) “why, i do declare sir, you have stolen my chastity!” so the poor guy coughs up a 100b bill. you'd think that would be it, but the ladyboy mama san zipped across the way to him, and as soon as he dropped the 100b, she stuck out her hand and said “tip for me?” and the poor fool gives her two 20s.

now, this kind of behavior sickens me – not the gent, but the staff at the bar. why was he being asked for a tip from mamasan? and why was big mama screaming about a only getting a 20? well, because they know it works. and the poor guy had no idea how to deal with it and just followed along, probably rationalizing it to himself, saying “well, it's only $5”. this is a pet peeve of mine – i consider myself somewhat generous, but this is just extracting money with no reason.

so once the guy left, a sadly familiar event ensued. big mama turned and saw me, assessed my potential for a moment, as i began to recognize the danger. but i was too slow-witted to do anything about it. blame it on the jet-lag, or the distraction at #9's gently swaying hips. big mama lowered her head, like a bull elephant about to charge, and jumped (literally). i stuck my hand out to stop her, in vain – the momentum of the woman was such that no force in all of physics could stop her. she landed on my legs (nearly crushing them) all giggling and jiggling. i was shaking my head and saying “no, no, no”, but she cared not.

she got on her knees and started fellatio simulation, which was just a nightmare to watch. oh the humanity! please stop! i was thrashing my head in repulsion, pulling at her massive shoulders, but that head continued to bob up and down. the girls on stage were looking and pointing, holding their hands to their mouths as if to say “oh that poor soul!” big mama finally relented, and still giggling, got up, turned around and sat on my lap. i felt myself disappear beneath her bulk, my frail frame no match for her girth. i lost sight of the outside world as her back-fat engulfed me. i struggled to get my face out from beneath her, desperate not to have my air supply cut off, but i was stuck. my arms were flailing, grasping for help, hoping someone would recognize the panic within me. thankfully, someone saw my trouble, and i felt a hand take my hand – oh thank god – i have been saved!

but it was big mama who took my hand, and then she took my other hand, and she smashed them into her breasts – her giggling now giving way to full-on, raucous laughter. struggle as i might, i was just powerless to stop what was happening - so strong was the woman, and so heavy was her weight, and so deprived of oxygen was i, that i was powerless to fight. so i stopped the struggle and went limp, waiting for it to end. this is a tactic i have used on several occasions to good effect, except those previous occasions have always been where my neck was caught in a leg-lock while at the end of daty while the lady orgasms – a far, far more pleasurable method of asphyxiation.

one way or another, this was going to end – either she would get off me, and i would rush out in a rage, or the ambulance would arrive and my family would find out i died in a seedy bangkok bar under the weight of a 200 pound gogo waitress. after a few moments of complete limpness, she realized something was wrong, and turned to look at me. what she saw was a now-blue-faced, cock-eyed, crumpled-haired semi-dazed kumbu.

i gasped the air, oh the sweet air, and thanked heavens for life. i gasped for a good 30 seconds as she yammered on about this and that, sitting now on my left leg, turned so she could see my face. her crushing weight on my left leg was fine because at this point it was totally numb. my eyes slowly un-cocked, and blood started to enter my brain, and with it my anger.

i'm not sure why, but i did not explode in anger at her. instead, i pulled the check from the bin, paid the rather-expensive 150b charge with a 100b bill and three 20s. she saw this and screamed into my face for a tip. the tequila was ripe on her breath, and it reminded me a little of the scene from jurassic park when the t-rex blasts the tour group with its earth-shattering roar. i told her to get the check first, to which she was a little peeved. but she heaved herself off my leg and scampered rather light-footedly off to fetch my change.

and i dashed. well, actually, with my one good leg pulling all my weight, my left leg barely moving, i limped off at as rapid a clip as i could manage. she saw me from the cash till and screamed at the injustice of it, but rather than stay there and have a fight (i could argue with her about how she forced herself onto me, punished me, i nearly died, and so she should pay me, but that would be rather pointless). i thought it better to escape.

so no #9 for me tonight, and given the events of the night, it is likely that i will not be returning to suzie wong's.

oh, and one last thing: on the way out, the ladyboy mama san grabbed my elbow and asked me for a tip.

two things i must say. i admit, *some* of the above is slightly embellished for comedic effect. but not much. so, i wasn't really blue in the face, i don't think. and my eyes may not have been cock-eyed, but they were definitely blurred and unfocused. second, this description casts an unfortunately negative light on suzie wong's. this is probably not warranted, although i must say that i have been in there perhaps a dozen times over the last two years and never once have i bar fined anyone. but i still go back...i'm not sure why. nonetheless, it highlights the dangers of the wait staff. while i generally handle myself well, sometimes things can be taken out of your hands. and i am sure there are plenty of other ways that money is extracted from us customers.

so it was now 1:40am, kind of late for soi cowboy. i walked into doll house, and saw three girls on stage and not a single customer. i'd be damned if i was going to be the only guy in the bar at that late hour, so i did an about-turn and walked out to the sound of the girls/waitresses calling after me. i decided that it was too late for the bars in soi cowboy, and decided to walk down sukhumvit to soi 11, in search of climax.

Hang in there Kumbu.

My first night in Pattaya last trip was also a dud. I had fun at some gogos but ended up taking a starfish FL home (though she was 19 yrs old hot hot). But nevertheless it turned out to be the best trip yet, as you may remember from my posts. I think it takes the first night for everyone, even those that have done it many times before, to get acclimated and to get that newbie "new car smell" and doe eyed look off them.


I hope things turned out better at Climax.

Stay horny my friend.............

Uncle-V


[QUOTE=Kumbu]How many times have you gone to opening day at a sporting game? Dodgers, Lakers, Arsenal, whatever – the first day, especially the first home game, has a special significance. That's because the whole off season has been spent building up the anticipation for this day. And it is finally here.

So what happens if your team loses that first game? Do you lose hope for the rest of the season? Do you throw in the towel and start supporting the more successful team? If Arsenal had lost that opening game to Liverpool, you can be damned sure I would not have become a Chelsea fan. Or a United fan. So no, the answer is that you don't lose hope for the season, you just chalk it up to the events of the day and expect better for the rest of the season.

By now you can probably predict what is about to come. Yes my friends, my first night in BKK was like the opening day loss of the Dodgers to the Pittsburgh. Not pleasant, but you get over it and expect things to get better. Like with sports, my BKK trip involved a long, expectant run-up, the build-up of expectations of a stunning, home-run-fest. But as has happened on 5 of the last 9 opening day games at Dodger Stadium, I was left disappointed, wondering what the rest of this season will hold.
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[QUOTE=Kumbu] season.

By now you can probably predict what is about to come. Yes my friends, my first night in BKK was like the opening day loss of the Dodgers to the Pittsburgh. Not pleasant, but you get over it and expect things to get better. Like with sports, my BKK trip involved a long, expectant run-up, the build-up of expectations of a stunning, home-run-fest. But as has happened on 5 of the last 9 opening day games at Dodger Stadium, I was left disappointed, wondering what the rest of this season will hold.

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Mongering is up and down. Sometimes you get great rides after another and at times it seems like you can't score good rides to save your life. It's all part of the mongering life. The only cure for a bad streak is to get back out there and fuck. Keep banging that pussy. The girls will smell sex on you and will want a part of your game, and before you know it you're back in the game.

Also, the vibe in Thailand is always different in the low season. Try to get in that low season groove and you're bound to get some good rides.

Last year in Tilac, I was sitting there watching the ladies dance and one of the girls not dancing at the time came over and sat about 1 foot from me. She was quite overweight, at least by Thai standards, and did nothing for me at all. I completely ignored her and never said a word to her, and she didn't say anything to me either, not even hello, she just stared at me, finally after about 3-4 minutes of this, I went outside for a smoke. I figured she would be gone when I came back in. Wrong, she actually follows me outside, leans in close to me, and the first words out of her mouth are, "You tip me 100 baht?" My response of course was, "No", nothing else. I just couldn't believe the balls on this girl, she wanted a tip for doing absolutely nothing . At least Kumbu's fat mama put some effort into her little scam. I'd rather tip the doorman at Emporium, at least he salutes me!

Don't worry Kumbu, it can only get better!

I was at Shox (300 B. cover) three or four nights ago with a Pattaya girl, and wasn't particularly impressed, however it must be said, there are some worth to take out. We shared a table with two well dressed Chinese guys and they young Thai GFs, these two where among the best looking in the club. Cheerful and friendly people really.

I spot an East Europe chick, barely decent looks, just for fun I make an approach , she probably had noticed I was accompanied, the second or word that comes out of her mouth was "buziness". So I ask if business was tough or easy, she says "eazy", yeah right in fact she was so pissed to have wasted 300 B. that marches out leaving her full beer bottle behind. That is what the biatch deserved until she gets her attitude adjusted.

The best moment was when I was about to leave, I hook up this hottie (T.) while going to the bathroom, I for sure wasn't in my best looks however she is kind, tells me she was celebrating her birthday and I get the number.

I wait two days before texting and she is happy to see me at some BTS station. I look at hear in full calm and daylight and she is a full 9 by any standard, clean looking and nice attitude. I channleng her to try chees at a French restaurant, she was presented with the "easy" ones but does not pass the test anyway :). The restaurant is expensive, but not enough to break a travelling gentleman anyway.

Things start going downhill as T. feels obliged to join her friend at Climax, that has a 200 B. cover. I do not know what is wrong with this second girl but she is such an uneducated biatch, to not to even say hello, forget about smiling or small talk. Not a bad body with the tight black dress, but the face seems to be of the typical hardened country woman, sorry I cannot give a better description. She is waiting for I don't know who but just standing close to her makes me unconfortable, and I am a quite tolerant guy.

Anyway, the live band at Climax sucks ass gloriously, they go over all the current hits and not one comes out less than vilified. Add tiredness to cacophony, and I want to leave as the second set starts. After some hesitation, my catch wants to stay, and we kiss goodbye. I was kind of expecting a call later in the night, but according to her story she spontaneously offered the following day, her phone battery died. At that point I am well in Phucket and looking forward. I wanted to text her some Thai words about being influenceable, but refrain to do so, one never knows and I might still use the number for a next time.

At Climax I see only one I would have taken but to be honest I wasn't even sure about her true sex. But, what do I know, you may have a better luck than me there.

While I've visited Soi Cowboy quite a few times during the last year I've never been in NEP. I decided tonight to give NEP a shot. I was there for about 1 ½ hour and I visited two bars.

Angel Witch. Plenty of shows almost continuously. Girls are cheerful but it seems they do not care a lot for the customers. Lady drinks at 145 and probably the fastest “time with the customer” I've seen in any bar in BKK. They have a drink, chat (kind of) for 5 minutes and then they disappear. I stayed there only for 15 minutes maximum.

Carousel. That was a most interesting experience. There are not many shows there but there is continuous dancing in two stages and some kind of shows (I show a lesbian and a SM one) but not something special. The girls though, although not among the prettiest in the market, are giving a lot to the customer and are hot. One very sweet beauty approached me and asked for a drink. I bought one for her (at 130) and she stayed for me for about 30 minutes, lap dancing, DFKing, and touching me everywhere. She asked me to take her out but I said that I was not planning this for tonight. In any case she quoted the ST price (2000, which I found very expensive) but she understood that there was no chance and she didn't insist. I didn't comment on the price since I had really no intention to take her out. After this she asked for another drink and she stayed with me until I left continuing the lap dancing, DFK etc. I had a hard one for most of the time she was with me. I really liked her but I was not on the mood to take a girl out tonight; I was just trying to manage my jet lag before going to bed (which actually didn't work out since I am still awake!). I tipped her and I registered her in my memory for a potential next visit. A pretty nice and “horny” 1 hour for 400 baht (excluding the tip) it's for me a very good deal.

Generally I was not disappointed by NEP and I might go there again. I've read so many negative reports about NEP in various sites and I was expecting a less interesting experience. I think NEP worths a visit.

This story might sound not very relevant but given my jet lag tonight I decided to share it with you (hopping that sorry telling will make me sleep!).

I use to go quite often in a bar in Soi Cowboy. I started to go there about 1 year ago and I've taken out 3 girls. The first one I took out (twice) was not there in my next visits and another girl told me that she has gone back to her village. End of this story.

One night at the bar two girls approached me together (I will call them for now on Girl1 and Girl2). They asked me to buy them a drink and I did that. I was quite on the mood to take a girl out and while I was attracted by both of them I chose Girl1 (in principle I do not do trios). Actually, and for my taste, Girl2 is more attractive but I felt a much better chemistry with Girl1. We've had a very sexually intense night together and it was also a GFE with a good discussion on life and politics after the sex.

After a couple of weeks I visited again the bar looking for Girl1. I went there quite late and she has obviously been bar fined. Alas, the Girl2 appears in front of me. We have a couple of drinks and I decided for ST. Another nice GFE but not sexually so intense as with the Girl1. After the sex we chatted and at a certain point she tells me that Girl1 has asked her if I've been in the bar after the night we went together and she also asked me if it was OK to say to Girl1 that we've been together. I told her “Look, do not run and tell her that we've been together but if you are friends and you talk then it is up to you to tell her or not”.

After approximately two months I am back to the bar. Girl2 is not there and Girl1 is dancing the moment I enter the bar. When she show me she gave me a big smile and once she finished her dance she came and sat with me. A small talk, she says me a sad story about the past two months and we decide again to leave together. Again a very intense sex that drained me out completely and a nice talk after. No mention from her site about Girl2. But she has done something that I really didn't like it. When I gave her the money she counted them and she asked if this is the same amount I gave her last time. I said yes and she said “hmm, usually it is more”. I made no comment on this but I was pissed off.

Last part of the story. A couple of weeks ago I go again in the bar. The very moment I enter the bar and before even manage to identify who is who inside, Girl2 appears in front of me with a big smile and a hug. We sat together but she says to me that she has immediately to go dancing and that she will come latter. Once she leaves for the stage I have a look around and I see diagonally Girl1 staring at me with a sad look. OK, I was pissed off with her with the comment on the payment but the sad face made me to feel a bit “guilty” because I didn't see her (how stupid men can be some times!). At the same time some other girls were looking at her and I felt that she felt that she lost face (and we all now that this is not good for Thais). I smile to her and I invite her to my table. She comes, I explain to her that I really didn't see her when I entered the bar and I offer a drink. She starts hugging and kissing me and now the sad face is on Girl2. Girl1 says to me that Girl2 has told her that she loves me and that she felt very connected to me the night we went together. I did not reply to these comments and I just try to make a general discussion. When the dance finishes Girl2 comes down from the stage she gives my a Thai greeting without any smile and goes to the opposite side of the bar. It might sounds a bit stupid but I felt guilty again and I asked Girl1 if it is OK to invite Girl2 for a drink also. She tell me OK and such I did. Now the three of us have a drink, we chatted about 10 minutes for general things and then I decided to leave.

Now, the point is that I really like the bar and I want to go again but I don't want to get involved in this issue with the 2 girls (which of course I've partially caused). I've decided that the best is not to visit the bar for a couple of months (maybe more) but really I don't know what to do when I'll go there again in case that both girls are there. I do not want to continue with them but I want to be polite and not to “ignore” them.

[QUOTE=Lifeingr]This story might sound not very relevant but given my jet lag tonight I decided to share it with you (hopping that sorry telling will make me sleep!).

...., the point is that I really like the bar and I want to go again but I don't want to get involved in this issue with the 2 girls (which of course I've partially caused). I've decided that the best is not to visit the bar for a couple of months (maybe more) but really I don't know what to do when I'll go there again in case that both girls are there. I do not want to continue with them but I want to be polite and not to “ignore” them.[/QUOTE]

Any girl #3 around?

[QUOTE=Lifeingr]
Now, the point is that I really like the bar and I want to go again but I don't want to get involved in this issue with the 2 girls (which of course I've partially caused). [/QUOTE]
Lifeingr,

You write that you "don't want to get involved in this issue." Ok, then don’t put up with it. It is as simple as that. The girls are just playing a game with you. They sense weakness on your part and are trying to take advantage. Go to the bar the next time you feel like going to the bar - period. If you want #1 then buy her a drink. If you want #2 then buy her a drink. If you want girl #3, 4, or 5 then buy them all drinks. Nobody really cares. You are the man and this is the big mango. If they sulk or frown, ignore them. It is an act.

Forget this rule and the next thing you will be telling us is you are engaged to be married and your fiancé has promised you she will quit the biz. By the way, what bar are we talking about? Just curious.

[QUOTE=Lifeingr]Generally I was not disappointed by NEP and I might go there again. I've read so many negative reports about NEP in various sites and I was expecting a less interesting experience. I think NEP worths a visit.[/QUOTE]

I actually prefer Nana over Cowboy. Angelwitch and Carousel are both worth a try, but there are better gogos there.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I actually prefer Nana over Cowboy. Angelwitch and Carousel are both worth a try, but there are better gogos there.[/QUOTE]

A little more specificity, perhaps? THX

[QUOTE=Lifeingr]......Now, the point is that I really like the bar and I want to go again but I don't want to get involved in this issue with the 2 girls.....[/QUOTE]

I agree with Natty, these girls trying to make you feel guilty and maybe get some extra $$$ from you. They think you won't be thinking about the 30 other guys that paid their barfines, when you were elsewhere for a few weeks. It always amazes me how they think they can manipulate you into feeling guilty by pouting - as if you are not a paying customer, but a boyfriend.

Remember, you have the cash, so you call the shots! If the girls start some shit with you, talk to the mamasan about it.

On the other hand, you could BF them both for a night.....:p

This is the second part of my three-part report from a loser night on Thursday. It was the night I arrived in BKK, so I was tired and jetlagged, but horny as hell. Here is the installment on how things went bad in Climax. Following that will be a report on my experience in Nana Liquid, which ended up with me grabbing a cutie. And this cutie turned out to be rather uninspiring and not worthy of the moment. And for those of you who sent me words of encouragment, let me tell you now that Friday night was the exact opposite to Thursday night - a SPECTACULAR success. Needless to say, that report will follow.

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As I started to walk out of Soi Cowboy towards Suk, I felt a drop or two of rain, and decided to grab a taxi. It got me there in 5 minutes for 40B – certainly worth it. I entered at around 1:50am, and the place was around 70% full. There were plenty of girls around, and plenty of guys too. I recognized some of the faces from my past trips, and that was a little discomforting. I walked through the crowd, feeling the eyes on my back, sensing the assessment that was going on. There must have been a dozen pretty girls in their early twenties that I could easily imagine myself with, but I wasn't really getting the vibe from any of them.

So I walked down the aisle past the DJ booth, looking carefully at each face as I passed it. There were three or four real screamers there, but I just wanted to scout for now. I stopped in that holding area on the far side of the club, got my drink from a waiter, and then made my way around the back. Again, plenty of girls were scoping me out( not that they found me attractive or anything, they were trying to figure out what my potential was), but I didn't really feel the vibe. I circled all the way around, and then climbed those stairs and perched myself in front of the DJ booth, from which I had a great vantage point.

A couple of girls started to make looksies with me, but nothing struck my fancy. And then, out of no where, came a poke in the shoulder. I turned around and standing before me was a smiling, sexy little thing. She was perhaps 5ft tall in totality, including her 3 inch heels. She had flowy, partially permed hair, and a cute-as-hell, pouty little face. She was curved just like a woman should be, but was the epitome of petite.

It took me a moment, but I recognized this little package (all 80 pounds of her) . I had been with her last January (or was it last August?). Her name is Lek, and she lives up to her name. I met her late one night, something like 4:30am at Climax, and we ended up having hours and hours of spectacular sex well into the mid-morning daylight. She had sex toys, she loved DATY, she enjoyed giving BBBJ, she liked to rub and kiss little Kumbu. In short, she was a dynamo in bed. But on our first night, I told her that I was not interested in having a GF, and she agreed. On our second night together, the same conversation ensued – and she agreed. But then she disregarded these conversations, and started treating our relationship with the expectation of monogamy, as well as the obligation to go out every night to dinner, with friends, etc. So she suckered me into a GF relationship despite agreeing to not being a GF. A little like that Seinfeld episode where this guy finds a dating loophole by intentionally losing a bet so Elaine will go out with him.

Anyway, I ended up ditching her in a rather uncool way. I told her I was leaving for Hong Kong for a few days (during which time I went to Pattaya, of course), and that I would call her when I returned. When I returned, I never called her. She called a couple of times and I never answered, and she eventually got the message. In retrospect, that was a rather juvenile and cruel way to handle things, and I do regret it, but there you have it.

So here she was now, standing before me, with a huge smile on her face that just screamed 'You muther fucker, I hope you have not been castrated yet because I want the pleasure of doing that.'

We talked for a few minutes. This was the most strained conversation you can imagine, and given that I was dead tired from 20 hours of flying, and I didn't respond as smoothly as I perhaps should have, but here is a sample of what I remember:

Angry Lek: So how've you been?
Kumbu: Umm, ok, I guess. You?
Angry Lek: Oh, you care? Well, I've been ok too. You've been here in Bangkok?
Kumbu: Umm...no, I just got back tonight.
Angry Lek: From where, Hong Kong?
Kumbu: Umm, no, actually, from – oh, ok, I deserved that.
Angry Lek: No, you deserve something else.
Kumbu: Mmm, umm...

But I managed to get away from her after a few minutes, and I dropped my drink on someone's table and got the hell out of there. In June, a similar thing happened to me in Climax too – an old flame saw me and gave me hell for being there without having called her. So I think I have farmed the fertile soils of Climax a little too much. Time to leave her fallow for a while.

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]I agree with Natty, these girls trying to make you feel guilty and maybe get some extra $$$ from you. They think you won't be thinking about the 30 other guys that paid their barfines, when you were elsewhere for a few weeks. It always amazes me how they think they can manipulate you into feeling guilty by pouting - as if you are not a paying customer, but a boyfriend.

Remember, you have the cash, so you call the shots! If the girls start some shit with you, talk to the mamasan about it.

On the other hand, you could BF them both for a night.....:p[/QUOTE]

Well, guys I agree with you. It is my decision entirely and I understand they play a game but even in a game I just want to stay polite. In any case I wrote the story because I've nothing better to do yesterday night (jet lagged) but I appreciate your replies.

@Natty. No threat to end up engaged with any of them I really know how to keep things professional. It is just that I am acting myself sometimes and enjoy all this fake "drama" that the girls playing and I decide to be part of it. Just for the fun.

[QUOTE=Evianist]I actually prefer Nana over Cowboy. Angelwitch and Carousel are both worth a try, but there are better gogos there.[/quote][QUOTE=Mr Jetsetter]A little more specificity, perhaps? THX[/QUOTE] Yeah, that would be helpful.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Time to leave her fallow for a while.[/QUOTE]Maybe not Kumbu!

In these situations I always say that I am [i]"dead tired"[/i] from working too much in [i]"Hong Kong"[/i], that I [i]"missed her too much"[/i] and that she should be [i]"very very nice to me"[/i]. (Devious smile.) Then tell her, [i]"I feel very sexy, and will definitely need two girls tonight"[/i]. Then inquire [i]"do you have a really beautiful nineteen year old 'A list' super model friend(?), or shall I just try to find one to go with the both of us myself?"[/i].

This:
#1. Confuses the hell out of her and gives you an easy out without getting slapped.
#2. Shuts her the fuck up (she knows you are playing her better than she is you. Remember TIT.)
#3. Makes her understand the ground rules.
#4. Creates a great "local BKK player" rep.
#5. Turns you back into [b]"da boss"[/b]. :D

Enjoyable story Kumbu. I did not see that many hotties in Climax but maybe I wasn't looking the right side :)

How a girl that goes hooking everynight, can expect to be treated like a GF on top of her lifestyle, I cannot really understand. My experience from the Latin side of the world is that yes they can play jealous and make big scenes, but it's clear to everybody the reason is they do not want to see your money going to the competition. To be honest, I would do the same with my clients :)

I suppose the only reason they think they can get away with the BF/GF BS here in Thailand, is because Western idiots fall for it all the time.

In similar situations, what has worked best for me, is that if I still feel the urge, and no clear better choice is available, I take the old flame for a porno experience as in being dominant and a bit rough. Then I say something to the effect of "sorry, I fuck for money not love, just like you". That always helped putting things in balance.

I think if they are serious in their play, they should spend some more effort that just sad faces and talking, like throwing a free fuck or plot some heart touching situation. We all can be taken for a ride, but at least have it done artistically :)

[QUOTE=Kumbu]This is the second part of my three-part report from a loser night on Thursday. ......
But I managed to get away from her after a few minutes, and I dropped my drink on someone's table and got the hell out of there. In June, a similar thing happened to me in Climax too – an old flame saw me and gave me hell for being there without having called her. So I think I have farmed the fertile soils of Climax a little too much. Time to leave her fallow for a while.[/QUOTE]
We know we pay them to leave....you didn't pay her enough! lol...
That is the downside of hooking up pretty well.
Not judging, of course, you seem to be cool on how to sort it out and that shows your awareness and knowledge
Others might not be as cool and will fall in the trap!

[QUOTE=Lifeingr]Well, guys I agree with you. It is my decision entirely and I understand they play a game ... No threat to end up engaged with any of them I really know how to keep things professional. It is just that I am acting myself sometimes and enjoy all this fake "drama" that the girls playing and I decide to be part of it. Just for the fun.[/QUOTE]
I thought this might be the case and as such I hope I did not come down too hard on you in my last post. That was not my intention. As long as you know what's going on and enjoy the "drama" then go for it and have a good time. But don't go too far with the game and outright lie to them or promise them things you know you won't deliver on. That is part of treating them "nice" and with respect.

You might want to try a ménage with your two girls (in the spirit of politeness, lol). I don't partake that often, but once in a while, with the right girls it can be worthwhile. Stay thirsty.

This is the final part of the three-part report on a semi-failed evening in BKK. But don't despair, the next night was firecrackers all around, nay, fireworks on the 4th of July. So stay tuned. And if you don't care for the reports, I might suggest using the Ignore list.

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It was now 2:05am, and as I literally sprinted out of Climax, I decided it was a good time to hit Nana Liquid. I made my way down there, and on the way saw a plethora of FLs along Suk. It was here that I questioned my sexuality. It was dark, and I saw a girl walking towards me, perhaps 30 yards away, with the light behind her and so all I saw was a silhouette. She was tall, and clearly dressed to pick up guys. Her hips were swaying from side to side, and given that all I could see was a silhouette, I could focus on the proportions. She was superbly proportioned – a perfect waist, beautiful hips, and spectacular legs. She was statuesque in every sense of the word. But from the way she walked, I slowly realized that she was a guy. And as she approached, her identity as a guy completely clear in my mind, I saw her face and almost fell over at its beauty. And she smiled at me in the most demure fashion – I was smitten.

Thankfully, the moment went by so fast that I was unable to react. And as such, before I could do or say anything, she had walked past me and was gone forever. I wonder what would have happened had I been given the opportunity to talk with her. I am not interested in guys in any way, but jeez, this made me wonder.

So I walked into the Nana Hotel parking lot at around 2:20am. There were plenty of girls (and not-so-girls) there, but nothing worth even a moment's effort. Inside Nana Liquid, there were plenty of people. It was actually quite full – all the tables were taken, and there were loads of guys hanging around the peripherals. I walked through the crowd and noticed that all of the good looking girls were already paired off with guys. Hmm, am I too late?

Well, I decided to be patient. I walked through to the far-end bar, near the pool room. I sat there for a while, at the bar, looking for available beauty. Seeing none, I wandered through the crowd to the other side, near the other bar. There I ensconced myself with a gin/tonic and started my people watching.

There was a very small girl standing in front of me giving me the eye-ball treatment. No thanks – pass. She was too skinny and small for me. All I could hope for was that she did not make an approach, and luckily I was able to fend her off the entire night. Other than that, there were no real prospects to speak of. So I turned my attention to the other people around the club.

There was a large age range and ethnicity range in this club. Some guys looked teenish, others looked to be in their sixties, and plenty of guys in between. There were white guys, Indian guys, Arab guys, a few black guys (even one guy wearing a full-on dashiki!), and the ethnically-ambiguous guys, such as myself.

There was a really good looking, athletically built, young, clean-shaven, well dressed guy across the way from me who was getting no attention from the girls at all. He was dark skinned – his skin was perhaps the color of Ethiopian skin? But he did not have Ethiopian features – they were more European. But he was just a good looking dude all around, and it was odd that he was getting nothing from the girls. But then I saw why – and it wasn't his skin color. He was sitting on his stool, not moving at all, grasping his drink. I think the girls were seeing this, and were a little intimidated by it. They want to have fun, and a guy that is this tightly wound up is a little hard to unwind. But with his looks, physique and dress sense, I am sure he got snapped up at some point in the night.

Meanwhile, an Armenian looking guy (I have no idea what his ethnicity was, but he had a classic Armenian look) came to the bar and wanted to order a drink. He looked at the menu, and not seeing what he wanted, he negotiated with the bar tender to make him his favorite drink. It took several minutes for this to occur, and when the drink arrived, I was floored – it was a strawberry daquiri. With a little umbrella in it.

He pays for it, and as he is leaving, his eyes meet mine, and his expression changed. And to my surprise, what I saw in his face was...pity. I then realized that this little person-analysis thing that I do is so full of shit, because these people are doing the very same thing to me. The good-looking black dude got my pity, but here I was getting pity from Armenian daquiri dude.

Ok, enough of this shit – time to find me a beauty. As Armenian dude walks away, I see standing right behind him two very pretty girls. They looked to be in their early twenties, spry and bubbly. One of them was clearly prettier than the other, but even the less-pretty girl was a scorcher in her own right. The less pretty one had skin the color of milked coffee, a straight nose, and small,almond-like eyes. Her hair fell randomly down to her shoulders, and this was a very good look for her. She was wearing a frilly dress that revealed a tight waist and nice legs. The legs were a little slim for my liking, but shapely and certainly Kumbu-worthy.

But her super-hot friend was something else. She had a pert little nose, with full, pouty lips, and large, very, very prominent cheek bones. In fact, her cheek bones were so prominent, it was the most noticeable thing about her. As such, her eyes were far larger than most Thai girls' – they were downright cat-like. They were so large that it gave her that baby-like look, with the large, bright, pointed eyes. And to accentuate this look, she had her hair tied into pig-tails! Hah, that was the clincher.

So I saw pig-tails first, and my eyes nearly popped out of my head. She saw this reaction, and smiled at me. I smiled back, and the buzzing in my shorts was suddenly deafening. She looked down coyly at her drink, and then looked up at me to see if I was still watching. I was.

Her friend was facing her, and had her back to me. So pig-tails whispers something to her friend, and the friend turns around. This was the first time I saw her friend's face, and as I said, it was pretty, although not quite like pig-tails. I noticed that pig-tails was far livelier than friend, when she looked over at me I just saw far more interest and attraction than with the friend. I was liking this girl, and she was liking me too, or so I believed.

So we did this for a few moments more – splitting the eye gaze between the two girls - until the friend says something to pig-tails, and she stops moving entirely. A moment passes, and pig-tails shrugs her shoulders to what her friend said. The friend then says something else, and pig-tails slumps her shoulders a little. And then pig-tails says something really loud to her friend, and I think I read her lips. What I read was 'May chaawp'.

Mmmm, pig-tails just told the friend that she did not like me. Oh poor Kumbu – shot down. Rejection – about as common as the common cold, and just as much fun. The way I chose to interpret this newest event was that the friend told pig-tails that she likes Kumbu, and asked whether pig-tails likes Kumbu too. Pig-tails, being the good friend, gives up Kumbu for the sake of her friend. You can see how this would be my preferred interpretation, can't you?

From then on, I got nothing from pig-tails. Nothing. She turned her back to me and started dancing by herself, and she did not look back at me even once. Yikes, the power of friendship. Ok, so friend it is, I suppose. So the next time friend looked over, I raised my glass to her in a gesture of 'cheers', and she returned the gesture. I walked over, clinked glasses with hers, and started the regular conversation. Hi, I'm, Kumbu, what's your name. I'm from America, where are you from. Etc.

Long story short, we danced for half an hour (pig tails was very deliberately looking the other direction the whole time), and then we took a taxi back to my hotel. Upon entering, she walked in slowly, inspecting everything in the room. She slowly sat down on the bed, and asked me for a drink. Damn it, I forgot to stock the mini-bar with my own drinks, this is going to cost me a fortune. Anyway, I pulled out a Singha for her, and she sipped it as we talked.

Her name is Nit, 26 years old, works in a restaurant on Suk as a manager (she manages the dinner shift, so she can sleep late). Cool. She is well-educated, she even went to university. She has interests in European literature, but realizes there is no money in that. So she did her degree in business. I tried to ask her about pig-tails, her friend, and as soon as that topic came up, she recoiled. Turns out Nit had had a no-good sonofabitch Thai boyfriend who she had been with for two years. Then one day (very recently, I believe) the BF tells her that he is in love with pig-tails, her best friend since childhood, and he wants to break it off. Pig-tails, when confronted with this by Nit, insisted that she knew nothing of this, and was not interested in BF at all. But nonetheless, this put strain on their relationship. So tonight was supposed to be pig-tails' attempt to take Nit out for a night of fun. And so when Nit decided I was the one, pig-tails was not only obliged to step aside, in a sense, it helped alleviate the problems between the two.

But the fact that I was now asking about pig-tails meant to Nit that pig-tails was more attractive than she was, and this just brought up the feelings on inadequacy that the experience with BF raised. That's Relationship Analysis Kumbu's take on things. None of this was intentional on my part, of course. I was simply trying to be polite and figure out who her best friend was. But just asking about the girl seemed to put Nit into a sour mood.

After that, things were not very good. She showered by herself, and then me. The lights were turned off entirely, and things began. Not much of significance happened – no kissing, just some heavy groping, lots of breast suckling, no DATY, straight missionary sex, and that was it. Upon finishing, she asked if it would be ok for her to leave, since she needs to be home to take care of her mother. I told her to go for it. I paid her 1000B, plus 100B for taxi, and she left.

It was anti-climactic, uninspiring, and not really worth all the effort. But it unloaded the gun, and so at least now I can think properly.

And so the Dodgers lost another opening-day game. But here is the key: losing the opening day match does not mean anything for the World Series. You could lose that first game and go on to win every game after that. And that's what I am hoping for the rest of this trip. The World Series is coming home again.

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Enjoyable story Kumbu. I did not see that many hotties in Climax but maybe I wasn't looking the right side :)

How a girl that goes hooking everynight, can expect to be treated like a GF on top of her lifestyle, I cannot really understand. My experience from the Latin side of the world is that yes they can play jealous and make big scenes, but it's clear to everybody the reason is they do not want to see your money going to the competition. To be honest, I would do the same with my clients :)

I suppose the only reason they think they can get away with the BF/GF BS here in Thailand, is because Western idiots fall for it all the time.

In similar situations, what has worked best for me, is that if I still feel the urge, and no clear better choice is available, I take the old flame for a porno experience as in being dominant and a bit rough. Then I say something to the effect of "sorry, I fuck for money not love, just like you". That always helped putting things in balance.

I think if they are serious in their play, they should spend some more effort that just sad faces and talking, like throwing a free fuck or plot some heart touching situation. We all can be taken for a ride, but at least have it done artistically :)[/QUOTE]I can speak from experience who these thai girl any be jealous. It is simple they see the fucking for money as work and a job. They are there because of there life situation. We all know that you can sometime cross the barrier of work and pleasure. Especially if the client guide the interaction that way in the heat of passion.

Even better Kumbu!

I remember now that I have been reading you great reports when stuck in falangland with nothing better to do that fantasizing. I whish I could have just a fraction of your writing skills, you certainly manage the convey the whole atmosphere of a night at the clubs.

The note you made about the enticing LB you crossed, is not diminutive of being masculine at all. I come from a country where men somehow got a reputation of being good lovers, and they try every trick on the book to keep it so. Despite that, I see that too much often they patronize flocks of truly repulsive TVs from latin america, going for quickies in their cars and taking all kind of risks. Men are so stupid most of the time and when it comes to sex, they become even more stupid.

What you say about the refusals that can be had is so right, I have experienced the same many times. Some girls just adore me, other do not even want to talk. As unpleasant for our egos that is, we must use these mishaps in a Zen approach, to raise an high wall between us and what repels us.
At the same time we will be always ready to open a door to our heart and wallet when something from outside will be knocking with the right cadence.

Then about the bad, uninspiring sex that can be had from heartbroken girls. I am not sure I would be able to accept so passively as you did. Seems like you ran into a genuine coldfish and her Thai BF had prently of good reasons to drop her. I am honest, the moment I bring a girl up to the room and she does not want to kiss, that is the time she goes home with strict taxi money only. With this I am not criticizing you at all, you are clearly a sensible gentleman, confident in your own choices, may the divine pussy guide your thrusts on the pathway to supreme ejaculation.

Thanks everybody especially Kumbu for extensive info on after hours action.
Now, I have the opposite question -

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What hour is the opening time for go-go bars at Nana & Cowboy?
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I've heard varying times around 18:00~21:00, wanted to clarify. Really I mean to ask what time are the most of the ladies there as I don't like showing up to a place before the ladies are there even if its open.
Which of the two opens earlier? Any particular bar which opens earliest?

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]The note you made about the enticing LB you crossed, is not diminutive of being masculine at all...Men are so stupid most of the time and when it comes to sex, they become even more stupid.[/QUOTE]So true, so true. But it is indicative of a social pressure I think, which also exists on this board by the way, to conform to an ideal of male masculinity. Anyway.[QUOTE=New Old Guy]What you say about the refusals that can be had is so right, I have experienced the same many times. ...At the same time we will be always ready to open a door to our heart and wallet when something from outside will be knocking with the right cadence.[/QUOTE]Right you are, again. I too experience it regularly, but it is always an insult to the weak ego.[QUOTE=New Old Guy]Then about the bad, uninspiring sex that can be had from heartbroken girls. I am not sure I would be able to accept so passively as you did[/QUOTE]You think THAT is bad, wait until you read what happened to me on Sat night...a preview: "tilaaaaaak, I have peliod (period)."

[QUOTE=Barko]Maybe not Kumbu!

In these situations I always say that I am [i]"dead tired"[/i] from working too much in [i]"Hong Kong"[/i], that I [i]"missed her too much"[/i] and that she should be [i]"very very nice to me"[/i]. (Devious smile.) Then tell her, [i]"I feel very sexy, and will definitely need two girls tonight"[/i]. Then inquire [i]"do you have a really beautiful nineteen year old 'A list' super model friend(?), or shall I just try to find one to go with the both of us myself?"[/i].

This:
#1. Confuses the hell out of her and gives you an easy out without getting slapped.
#2. Shuts her the fuck up (she knows you are playing her better than she is you. Remember TIT.)
#3. Makes her understand the ground rules.
#4. Creates a great "local BKK player" rep.
#5. Turns you back into [b]"da boss"[/b]. :D[/QUOTE]Holy crap, I bow to the master. Dude, you scare me...but this is great advise. I wonder if I could pull it off though. I think girls sense I am not the mac-daddy player type, but hmm, perhaps I could grow a pair and pretend to be...

[quote=lifeingr]now, the point is that i really like the bar and i want to go again but i don't want to get involved in this issue with the 2 girls (which of course i've partially caused). i've decided that the best is not to visit the bar for a couple of months (maybe more) but really i don't know what to do when i'll go there again in case that both girls are there. i do not want to continue with them but i want to be polite and not to “ignore” them.[/quote][quote=natty bumpo]the girls are just playing a game with you. they sense weakness on your part and are trying to take advantage. go to the bar the next time you feel like going to the bar - period. if you want #1 then buy her a drink. if you want #2 then buy her a drink. if you want girl #3, 4, or 5 then buy them all drinks. nobody really cares. you are the man and this is the big mango. if they sulk or frown, ignore them. it is an act. [/quote][quote=nocbj4me]i agree with natty, these girls trying to make you feel guilty and maybe get some extra $$$ from you.[/quote]i know, i know, i should just let this go, but i can't.

with respect, i'd like to offer a different analysis of the situation. i agree that what natty and nocbj4me say is true (that money is the key here), but i think it is not in quite the same way that they suggest. i also agree with natty's advise – just go to the bar like it is any other, and don't buy into the drama. although you did say that you enjoy the drama, which is understandable. and you have a keen grasp in the fact that this is 'drama', so you are not being taken away by it.

i have a quibble, and it is not with natty bumpo or nocbj4me in particular - just a general observation of how we view the girls and their motivations. so please, no one take this as an attack on any of these members - i have the utmost respect for their contributions to the board.

my quibble (and it is just a quibble, really) is with the idea that the girls are manufacturing this drama for monetary benefit. it's easy (and rather self-serving) to assume that all these girls are sharks, in it 100% for the money. don't get me wrong – 100% of these girls are in it for the money, but i don't think each girl is in it 100% for the money. does that makes sense? i would say money is the common motivator for each girl in the business, but to then make the logical error of assuming it is the only motivator, is, well, a logical error.

motivation for any act, even those far simpler than selling your body for money, is a superbly complex thing. until recently, economists assumed that 'preference' is transitive. that is, if a person prefers product a over b, and also prefers product b over c, then that person prefers product a over c. e.g., i prefer coke over pepsi, and pepsi over dr. pepper. economists would predict i prefer coke over dr. pepper (which is true). but more recently, it has been found that this kind of thinking is too simplistic. it works with soft drinks, but not always. there are many variables in the equation, e.g., how thirsty are you? what are you drinking it with (food or booze? burgers or cheese and crackers?)? who are you drinking it with? what did you just drink before this? etc. and this is for things as simple as soft drinks.

i think working girls in bkk are primarily in the business for the money, so let's just state that as a given fact. but beyond that, being the human beings that they are, these girls have preferences within the parameters of making money. each girl has preferences that they wish to fulfill that go beyond money. one preference might be getting a steady bf who sends money from somewhere (as opposed to a string of anonymous well-paying strangers). another might be to gain face amongst her peers. yet another might be to have sex with a good looking, well-groomed, tender lover, rather than a drunken brute. i'm not suggesting any of these preferences trump the money aspect of it, but when one describes the social interactions of these girls, it is important to recognize that they, like all of us, are motivated by various and complex factors.

so lifeingr, for whatever reason, you have two girls fighting over you. it's likely that you pay well, you dress well, you are decent looking, you smell good, you speak respectfully, you don't try to stick a broom handle up their asses while in bed, and you make them cum. furthermore, i now know that many of the bars in soi cowboy recently increased the number of required bar-fines a girl must bring in per month, which increases the pressure and competition amongst the girls. their disappointment may be money motivated, or it may be motivated by any number of these other things. it is complicated, and i think of all the people on this board, you are the most likely person to know which of these factors are causing this little quarrel. trust your gut.

i would say this kind of problem is very, very common. i have spoken to dozens of gogo girls who tell tales of love found, love entrenched, and love stolen away by that two-faced b-itch she used to call a friend. so it is not uncommon.

if i were you, i would ditch this bar. it is tainted now, and you will not get the same treatment from them for a while. you should find another favorite bar and start all over again there. give it a year, wait for the institutional memory to fade, for this generation of girls to move on, and then go back and see how things are. that's my two cents.

Some of you were asking for Pregnant girls.....

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[QUOTE=Blourghus]What hour is the opening time for go-go bars at Nana & Cowboy?[/QUOTE]Coincidentally, had this conversation with a girl in Dollhouse (Soi Cowboy) last night. She starts work at 6pm, and customers start to arrive at that time. She says girls dribble in for the next half hour, but things are in full swing by 6:30pm. She says the opening hours vary from bar to bar, but that's the deal for Dollhouse. Never asked this question of a Nana gogo girl, perhaps someone else can fill us in on that question.

disappointing as thursday night was, i knew tonight would be better. thursday night wasn't a total waste, but i expended a great deal of energy to get back a rather nondescript sexual experience.

so i worked most of the day on friday, and got home at 6pm. napped, showered, shaved, and made the short walk down to soi cowboy. i walked around the soi a little, peering into this place and that, and once again, not sure why, i went in to dollhouse. a little while ago someone posted a negative report on this place, something about it being hit and miss, but i wanted to check it out myself.

there were perhaps 10 girls on stage when i got in. there were five or six on that rotating portion, and a further three or four along the length of the stage. there were more girls upstairs, but i couldn't see them. there were plenty of customers, most in groups of two or three, but perhaps six or seven lone rangers like myself. i found myself sitting between two such gents. the guy on my left was clearly a player, someone who was known in the bar, as the waitresses were chatting with him. the guy on my right was a larger gent, perhaps 250 pounds, but in his mid-40s, and he looked rather respectable and clean. the girls were showing him a great deal of love, even though he had not spent more than the cost of a heineken. i guess he fit the profile: caucasian, mid-40s, alone...a wallet waiting to be popped open.

i noticed that some of the girls were wearing little frilly skirt-thingies, and others were not. i figured that those who were nude were not hiding their asses, so that was a good sign. and indeed, the girls without the skirt were all sporting ripe rumps that were a feast for an ass lover. now, most of these girls had legs that i was not particularly interested in – skinny stick-like appendages. so by process of elimination, that got rid of 9/10 of the girls on stage. and the one girl that was left showing off her ass did not have the nicest of faces. so i was left feeling rather underwhelmed.

so i sipped my beer and awaited the shift-change. when it came, i was not disappointed. from this new crop of girls, there were two very, very sexy little things. the first one, #40, had a pert little bob-like hair-cut (it wasn't a bob, since it extended down to her shoulders, but there was a bob-like quality to it). she was skinner than i prefer, but her ass was really quite tasty looking. and she was certainly not shy about her ass – strutting around like a matriarch peacock, it was quite appealing. but the clincher was her face – the sweetest, sexiest pert mouth, with slanted eyes gave her a sexy chinese look.

but she was outshone by her friend. she had, easily, the nicest ass in the place. fit, round, shapely, trim, and perfect. her legs were a little thick around the ankles, but jeez, come on, how picky am i going to get? she had no breasts to speak of really, but her lower body was just mesmerizing. she was dancing very well, undulating and gyrating like someone who knows just how nice that ass is. and the clincher? she had pig-tails!!! yes, after last night's loss of the pig-tailed beauty in nana liquid, i seem to have developed a little bit of a fetish for the childish hair style.

two downsides were noticed. first, her face was not, shall we say, what you think of when you think of classical beauty. she had a mild bat-face going on, although that does sound harsh. her eyes were large, and her nose extended a little too much. it's hard to describe, but her face just wasn't her best attribute. having said that, over the 20 minutes i stared at her (sounds freeky, doesn't it?) the face began to grow on me.

the second downside was that she was clearly a mirror-dancer. that is, all she could see was her reflection in the mirror, and she was not looking anywhere else. she was on that circling part of the stage, so i got to see her from all angles, but when she was closest to me, her eyes were squarely fixated 3 feet above my head at the mirror on the wall behind me. she wasn't looking at me, she wasn't looking at the guy to my right, she wasn't looking at anyone.

so this proceeded for 20 minutes, and i decided enough was enough, and i was getting ready to split. she's nice enough, but unless you get the electricity, no point in trying to plug your thing into her outlet. crude description, i know, and i apologize.

meanwhile, all the other girls were fixated on the guy to my right. one girl came and planted herself on the stage right in front of him and started to sexy dance just for him. i'm not sure what it was, - he was not giving off any obvious signals, but i suppose he just had it going on. i counted six girls doing this – shamelessly trying to court him, and he was not returning the sentiment in any way other than a standard smile. my guess is that he was not a newbie, and that he had a reputation in the bar as a big spender. but that's just my guess.

despite this obvious money bags sitting to my right, my girl was not even looking at him. she was busy doing her own thing, oblivious to me, oblivious to the man to my right, and oblivious to how all her friends were falling over themselves to get the guy to my right to commit.

but then it happened.

on one of the passes of the circle, she looked down at me. perhaps this was by accident, or perhaps this was her plan the whole time, i don't know. but she looked down, our eyes met, and we finally had something. the next time she passed by on this circle, i wanted to see if she would look again. if she did, then we have lift off. if not, then i'm outta here.

and she did. look down at me, that is. no smile, just another glance.

ok, let's see what happens on the third circle...will she smile this time? and as she passed by, she looked at me again, this time with more determination, with more certainty...but no smile.

and then the shift changed. she left the stage, and went to sit by herself. my guess here is that she has a boyfriend who sends her money, or she is waiting for some regular customer. so given the mixed signals, i decided it would be best to keep shopping. so i left 100b with the waitress to give to her, and told her that i would return tomorrow. perhaps all it will be is a drink, or perhaps it will be more than that. a small investment, as far as i am concerned.

addendum: i *did* return the next night to find that she was not there. but this set me up for an experience with another spinner from dollhouse, a report of which is in the works.

there was/is a bar where they dance on a glass floor and you can peek. i am looking for that classic, nice small pink snatch, ready to lick and stretch later, legs in the air. tired of the brown ones that hang out.

any ideas on how to suss the best pussy - where ?

[quote=pahllus maximus]there was/is a bar where they dance on a glass floor and you can peek. i am looking for that classic, nice small pink snatch, ready to lick and stretch later, legs in the air. tired of the brown ones that hang out.[/quote]

baccara in soi cowboy, bangkok, and in pattaya as well.

Some research for my BBBJ plans. Daily when I wake up, and one before bed. A normal and happy thing to blow in a girls mouth. Condoms for everything else. I've previously had a BBBJ in a lino on way to airport, girl and chauffer happily waving me goodbye, back to USA, sex prison.

This time, I'm going to stay a while, and get a few steady girls. It turns out the HIV in LOS is mostly type E that is a lot more infectious than the B type in the west. E type attacks the Langerhans cells on the penis, and many of the ladies with existing vaginal inflammation carry a higher loading to begin with. Statistics suggest 19% for freelancers and 4% for establishments, and a recent study published for 2004-2006 (why it was only published in 2010 is strange !) was 46% street workers and 4% brothels. These are merely guides, but certainly show that simply using a brothel is a five fold risk reduction, maybe they are better trained, maybe the brothel tests at least some of the time, who knows. Most allow take-out, or you can get the girl's phone number.

So, the plan is pay them to get tested at Bumrungrad Hospital (Sukhumvit Soi 3 or the Red Cross, 1871 Rama 4 Road Bangkok 10330) then BBBJ, especially if they have sweet little pussies. It is not foolproof, because there is a window of when it can be detected, but it is major risk reduction plan that should take only a couple of days. Rumor has it that the Red Cross is anonymous testing friendly and much cheaper than Bumrungrad Hospital.

spent more time at hotel room relaxing. watching few crappy thai shows in telly. then met with my fellow monger sy who had come down from yankee land. sweet fellow with some mongering experience worldwide.

both of us had authentic indian meal at bawarchi(their vegy curry and chapati's were as good as one can get in india). then hired a tuk tuk and went near fortune town mall(i think rajapakshe road). visited many mps (emmanuel, natarey, hi5 etc etc). this street has about 10 big mps. and each had plenty of birds in them. nice experience. though liked one girl in natarey, decided not to go ahead as sy was speaking to a russian. she wanted to meet us at grace hotel. took subway and reached sukhmvit, from there sky train to nana. amazing. the sky train is celebrating 10years of operations. the system of public transportation here made me very sad at the situation back home.

met anna(russian contact). did not like any asses from her stable. decided head back to room to take rest for while before leaving for cm2.

cm2 – leena and ameera

boss suites has free tuk tuk services from 7 to 11. so got ourself dropped at nana, using sky train, from there reached cm2. so easy. i started loving this sky trains even more. fast, clean, cheap(?) and plenty of frequency. what else one require for a quick dash across the city.!

paid 650bht as cover fee and entered cm2 around 11. already good no. of guests enjoying some really good music. got my self some rum and started the hunt for the bird(s) for the night. sy was fishing on his own. spoke to one in smoking room. though liked the her, t&c didn't match. so start roaming again. then found this blondy leena playing at pool table with her friend ameera. ameera was nearly a stunner. young face, lean tight body, almost popping boobs. got my self introduced to leena(how indian her name was the topic. lol). finally she spoke to ameera and t&c were pretty ok. what else. pulled both out of cm2 and headed towards boss. they wanted to have food, even i was getting hungry, told them we will have at boss coffee shop. unfortunately boss closes its restaurant by 11 and again walked out, just near the corner we found a nice restaurant. finished food, lot of talking, lot of smiling little bit of laughter. we are all done with the food. the early morning (2am) weather was awesome and 5 mins tight hugging walking set the mood for the night. once back in the room ameera wanted to listen to some uzbek songs. so pooped up youtube and started playing some of my guests fav videos. they started having some serious fun dancing and shaking their booty(got a video of the same, might upload to youtube sometime later). i joined in between them once in a while and did some lip kissing. though ameera was playing little pricey, leena was all over me. leena was about 27+, lean, 5. 4, and had a small boobies where as ameera was about 23, lean, 5. 4 and had a right size boobies. she was bouncing them erotically and smiling at me while i was playing with leena. after 1hr of dancing or so they started stripping and slowly the atmosphere was getting hotter. they took bath one after another and we moved to bed. though ameera was not participating wholeheartedly, leena and i was getting serious. we were kissing deeply, i was eating her little booby, which she was pushing into my mouth with her hands. after while switched over to ameera and did some lip kissing, booby sucking and she allowed me to play with her pussy as well. while eating her my fingers were exploring leena downtown and she was moaning smoothly. by this time both of them were really wet and i was all but wanted to get into final action. moved over to leena, played with her wet pussy, by now ameera put me condoms. straight away started mishy with leena. a meera was sucking my tits and playing with balls. it might have lasted for about 10 mins or so, i couldn't control, i exploded all i've and collapsed. so ameera got spared and she was giggling all the way(she got paid w/o real sex. lucky *****). relaxed for couple of mins holding both the angels tightly and all three of us got cleaned ourselves. slept right between four boobies and chatted for half an hour or so more and donno when i moved to peace of sleep. what a fucking day?

two encounters one day as different as chalk and cheese but very satisfying. tuli was great with massage and sex. this two ruskies gave me what i was looking for. thank you los.

as usual pics little later.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]
So, the plan is pay them to get tested at Bumrungrad Hospital (Sukhumvit Soi 3 or the Red Cross, 1871 Rama 4 Road Bangkok 10330) then BBBJ, especially if they have sweet little pussies. It is not foolproof, because there is a window of when it can be detected, but it is major risk reduction plan that should take only a couple of days. Rumor has it that the Red Cross is anonymous testing friendly and much cheaper than Bumrungrad Hospital.[/QUOTE]



A silly thing to do in my opinion but if it can make you feel safer, then I think that Christian Hospital around patpong has cheap and quick tests [url]http://www.bkkchristianhosp.th.com/main.asp?lang=E[/url]

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]... Statistics suggest 19% for freelancers and 4% for establishments, and a recent study published for 2004-2006 (why it was only published in 2010 is strange !) was 46% street workers and 4% brothels...[/QUOTE]

I'd like to have a link to your sources, please.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]... Rumor has it that the Red Cross is anonymous testing friendly and much cheaper than Bumrungrad Hospital.[/QUOTE]

You may as well go to a public hospital (anywhere in Thailand even as a foreigner!) with your (temporary) Thai girlfriend and have a HIV rapid test there. It's 300 baht only (per test) and results are usually given within the hour. It's anonymous too, by the way (you are given a number to retrieve your test results).

She has been "9 months pregnant" for the last 3 months... have been tracking her ad up until my last trip to BKK a week ago. Other warnings popping up about her on CL. Be cautious. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Some of you were asking for Pregnant girls.....

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[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]I thought this might be the case and as such I hope I did not come down too hard on you in my last post. That was not my intention. As long as you know what's going on and enjoy the "drama" then go for it and have a good time. But don't go too far with the game and outright lie to them or promise them things you know you won't deliver on. That is part of treating them "nice" and with respect.

You might want to try a ménage with your two girls (in the spirit of politeness, lol). I don't partake that often, but once in a while, with the right girls it can be worthwhile. Stay thirsty.[/QUOTE]

Hi Natty, no you didn't come down too hard. As I told in my post I agree with your comments on the financial motive (the source of any behavior). At the same time I share Kumbu's thoughts and I'll explain when I'll reply to his post. Regarding the ménage I am not really into this, I've tried a couple of times and it only worked out when I was in university with two girls (fellow students not professionals) and it was a perfect experience. After this all other attempts (with professionals) were completely non successful so I stopped the sport :-)

our story picks up on friday night, around 10:45pm - i had just left dollhouse (soi cowboy), and was wondering house of debauchery should be next on my list. in this report, i describe a spectacular night with a waitress from carousel. she was well worth every baht.
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[b]erotica bar (nep)[/b]
i walked out of doll house without looking back at the girl. my glasses misted up as i walked into the humid night, so i stood there for a moment waiting for them to clear up. as i did that, i decided to ditch soi cowboy and head over to nep. i took the bts, as it was only 10:45pm. i got to nep around 11pm, and decided i needed to avoid my regular hangouts, like mandarin and rainbow 4. so i went up the left-side stairs, and on up into erotica – a place i have never been to before. it wasn't all that bad, actually. it is a smallish bar, with three-tiered seating on the left as you enter, and two-tiered seating on the right. i sat at the top, looking down at the girls on stage. there were 8 girls on stage, none of which really caught my fancy. there were two stand-outs though. the first had these large, hanging breasts, which while not my thing in the slightest, were certainly worth a good ogling. they hung down to just above her navel, which was pretty amazing. they seemed very...meaty. the rest of her was rather nondescript. she had a plain face, looked like she was in her late twenties/early thirties, and her legs were nothing special.

the other stand out was a skinny girl with a very pretty face. she had a flat chest, slender legs, and a total tramp stamp on her back. actually, she had plenty of tattoos, which says a lot about a girl. her face was quite pretty,although i am convinced her nose was fake. anyway, i was not terribly interested, until she turned around and faced the other way. at this point i saw the width of her hips – they were absolutely stunning. her tiny waist sat atop a wide, wide set of hips, which just sent my motor into top gear. talk about evolutionary preferences – those were good, solid child-bearing hips. i closed my eyes and imagined my hands on those hips, sliding up and down that beautiful hour-glass figure. yummy.

then i woke up and realized that her hips were the only thing that really worked for me, and it was totally not worth my time/effort.

so i paid up and left. next stop: carousel.

[b]carousel (nep) [/b]
this place was packed. i mean, there were more customers in here than any bar i have seen in a long time. there were only five girls on stage, none of which were really to my liking. i assume it was because all the girls were with the dozens of customers on the floor. i ordered a gin/tonic and sat there for a good 30 minutes, just sipping slowly, and watching. several sexy shows came and went, and the same five girls kept getting up afterwards to stand on the revolving carousel. one girl had sexy legs and ass, but her face was so severe it nixed any ideas little kumbu might have been hatching.

[b]the hand [/b]
so i was getting ready to hit the road when something interesting happened. a waitress came along and stood in front of me, oblivious to me, looking in a different direction. she put her hand on the counter in front of me, just resting her arm there, leaning her weight against the counter a little, as she surveyed the room. and kumbu, being the freak that he is, fixates on the hand.

she had perfectly manicured finger nails – long, rounded, and sexy as hell. the nails themselves looked strong and healthy. her fingers were long and slender, far more so than most thai girls. the fingers were slightly curled, resting on the top of the counter. her skin was light colored, and so the skin under the nails was a ripe, rosy pink color. i was just totally entranced by the hand – i could not break my eye gaze away from it. perhaps it was the fatigue, or the alcohol, not sure, but i was beginning to imprint on her hand, like ducklings on the mother duck.

i couldn't see anything else of her, since she was looking the other direction (and so all i saw was her hair), and the counter was blocking my view of her entire body below the shoulders. so all i had was this one hand, gently placed in front of me in the most innocuous of manners.

i sat there for perhaps 60 seconds, shamelessly fixating on her hand, until she finally moved. and as she walked away, legs in plain view, my eyes stayed on that hand, as it swayed back and forth. i felt like a cat watching a swinging ball of yarn, my head bobbing left and right as the hand swung left and right. rather embarrassing, actually. she was still unaware of me, i'm sure of it. she was not just ignoring me, she was just oblivious to my existence. she wandered around a little bit in front of me, seemingly aimless for 30 seconds or so, and my eyes still stuck on the hand (even though her legs and ass were available for viewing). she eventually wandered a little further from me and sat down next to the stage.

bingo. in one fluid motion, she hopped onto the stool, turned around and crossed her legs. kumbu fell off his booth seat onto the floor below.

she did not notice, so i picked myself up and sat down again, eagerly awaiting the next installment of 'discover the beautiful waitress'. she was looking to her right (my left) at this group of large, athletic, affluent american guys. one guy in particular had caught her fancy, and she kept looking at the guy hopefully. he was perhaps 6'2”, athletic as hell, wearing a baseball cap, dressed casual-nice, clean-cut blond hair, mid-thirties, a full set of straight teeth, and not a blemish on him. i hated this guy.

so she looked at him, and he did not notice her because he was occupied talking with his four friends. i, meanwhile, was busy scoping out her body, as best i could. i had decided her legs were pretty damned fantastic. they were shapely, well toned, with great skin. we have already established the pedigree of her hands – what was left to be determined was in the mid-section. i could not quite tell. i looked at her face (funny, the order of my inspection is not quite typical, is it?). her face was, well, ok. she had nice lips, and her eyes were cool and stuff, but she had a jawline that was a little too pronounced. her hair was carefully draped over the sides of her face to hide this fact, but it was pretty obvious. but i wouldn't say she was ugly, just not a stunner (face wise).

but holy crap, the more i looked at her the more i was enamored with her body. so i looked away for a second, and when i looked back, she was looking right at me. her eyes were now wide, as if she had just seen me and was surprised by my existence there. i smiled back at her, and bada-bing, bada-boom, she's sitting next to me.

she is 27years old, broke up with bf 5 months ago, no baby. so we talked for a good 10 minutes and she never asked for a drink. the talk was easy and flirtatious, and there was no pressure on me – it was really cool. the first bit of pressure came in the following exchange:

girlie: you know i have little air.
kumbu: little air, you mean you can't breath? are you ok?
girlie: ...
kumbu: you ok?
girlie: i have little air...here (points to crotch)
kumbu: i'm glad to hear you don't produce air from down there – doh! i get it now!

so she was telling me that she had little pubic hair, and she wanted to know my opinion on the topic. i told her i don't believe her, and that she needs to show me. she laughed and said she cannot here, but she would gladly do so in my hotel room. so the courtship began.

we did this kind of thing for another 20 minutes while she sipped the ld i sprang for upon the 'no air' episode. meanwhile, she was climbing all over me, rubbing herself against me, putting my hands where man-hands were designed to go. she shifted around, and at one point, she lay flat on her stomach along the booth seat i was in, with her ass squarely in my lap. shiiiiiiiiiiiiit. i inspected that backside, and holy cow, it was exactly up to kumbu's specifications. i like 'em round and plentiful - not large and obese mind you, but bubbly is what i look for. in june, during my last trip here, i was remarkably successful in rooting out the beautiful asses , and i had struck gold once again.

[b]closing the deal[/b]
so eventually she asks if i want to bf her. i ask her how much for her, and she hesitates. she quotes 3000lt, 2000st. the normal initial quote is 4000/2500, so she was being good to me. although this may be the standard quote for waitresses, i don't know. i hesitated, and she said how about 1500st and 2500lt? i offered her a compromise. told her that i would pay her 1500st if i was *not* happy, but 2000st if i was happy. she did not understand. i explained it again, and when she got it, she found it to be a terribly clever negotiation trick. she was very impressed.

so she runs off to change, and then the vultures descend. mama san arrives, along with another waitress, and they make the thumb to mouth gesture with the very, very sad face, indicating they want a drink. scusi? rather than respond to them, i got up and walked to the toilet, leaving them there to stew and complain about my miserliness.

when my girl arrived, she was wearing a frilly grey dress, one of those things with a ripped and uneven hem. it was made of clingy material and just showed off her awesome figure. as we walked out of there i noticed that she is tall – 5'8” perhaps? she had heels on and so she was my height (i am 5'10”). for a moment i wondered as to her gender, but as she walked in front of me, all doubts disappeared – that figure left absolutely no doubt in my mind.

we took a taxi back to the hotel, during which she chatted very easily and comfortably. i find that the taxi ride is a great barometer for how the night will go. and in this case, the barometer predicted glorious weather.

[b]aaah, finally into the hotel room[/b]
we entered the room and she was very pleased with the quality of the room. she delighted at the large bathtub, all the glass walls and everything. she then went and stood in the middle of the room and called me over. as i approached her, she grabbed me and before i could say anything, her tongue was in my mouth, probing the top of my mouth, pressing against the hard-palate, aggressively pushing my tongue aside.

her dress got pushed down to her waist, and her breasts were smallish, although enough for me to sink my hands into. her nipples were a delightful pinkish/brown color, small and pert. i sucked them for a while, as my hands worked their way into her ass meat. we made out like this for 5 minutes or so, until it was time for showering. she pulled out three boxes of condoms, at which i spontaneously coughed loudly. she giggled and explained that some customers need the extra gel kind, some need the extra large kind, some need extra sensitivity, so she carries them all. cool.

she also pulls out her toothbrush, some mouthwash, some toothpaste, some floss (?), and her uniform from work. i asked her why she brought her uniform from work, and she said many customers want to fuck her while she is dressed in her uniform. i had a good laugh about that, but she was totally cool about all of it.

[b]signs of things to come[/b]
one thing that was out of character was that she insisted on showering alone. ok, well, that's fine. so she did, and then it was my turn. as i undressed and she climbed into bed, she called me over, and when i did, she gave me stern instructions:

girlie: clean everywhere ok?
kumbu: i always do.
girlie: no, i mean, clean everywhere, ok? i like.
kumbu: umm, yeah, i always do.

still not getting it, she pulls thick kumbu over and rubs his ass and says, “clean everywhere, ok? i like.”

okaaaaaay. so i showered, washing out my already meticulously clean ass several times, wondering whether this would work for me or not. i'm not really that into ass-licking (receiving), although i love to be the ass licker. but here she was almost demanding it, so what was i to do?

[b]aaaaaand they're off![/b]
after the shower, i climbed into bed and there was no awkward hesitation – we went straight into it. that's what i like about this girl – everything was just easy and natural. there was no effort on my part – she knew just what to do, and she did it expertly.

we started with the dfk, which truth be told was a little too d for my liking. so i pulled away at the first opportune moment, and worked my way down to her breasts. as i did this, she whispered “anything you want”. she was not particularly receptive to the breast action, so i kissed my way downwards. again, “anything you want”. she was totally open, and as i approached pubic central, she lifted her hips for me to enter.

my first thought was:

“fire! fire! pants on fire!”

turns out she is a liar. well, kind of. she told me that she has little (h)air down there, which was not entirely true. the truth of it was that she had loads and loads of hair down there, but she had it all close-cropped. but that left a lot of stubble. if you were a woman and were having your pussy sucked out by a guy who has stubble on his chin, it hurts like hell. well, as a guy, as i suck out a pussy, if the stubble is too severe, it hurts me too. yes, i am soft like that, and fuck all you guys who are laughing right now.

but undeterred by the raging stubble, i kissed around her pubic region for a while, avoiding the sensitive areas, just so i could get a lay of the land. “anything you want”. when i was ready, i went in to the clit first. she had a very thick, heavy hood over the clit, and i had to lift it off her clit by pulling up in the skin above it. and when i did this, it revealed a pert, bulging little thing just waiting for some attention.

as i licked it, she just totally revved up. she was delighted that i had figured out how to get under the hood (literally), and she groaned and sighed. she said some canned crap like 'i like you lick me', and then she started to pant my name over and over again. i was kind of not liking that, but hey, everything else was delightful.

she kept gyrating her hips upwards, and as she did that, two things would happen. first, her stubbled pussy hair would rub against some part of my face/lips and i would get like a stubble burn. second, i would lose grip on the clit, and my tongue would end up squirming around in her pussy and/or asshole. she was cool with the ass rimming, so i did that for a few moments. her asshole was fine, not particularly spectacular, but hey, it's as asshole – how spectacular does it need to be?

the daty lasted a long time, and she just did not cum. i wouldn't go so far as to say that i am a master at daty, but i think of myself as somewhat adept. and i was just not able to make her cum. i tried, and i used all the tricks in my bag. she responded very well to everything, and i think i got her close a couple of times, but it just did not happen. after around 30 minutes of this, my tongue and lips were getting rather raw. she sensed this and tried to get me to move, and so i asked her if she had cum, and she said that she would cum with me. i doubted that.

so she says again “anything you want”, to which we switched into 69 with her ontop. this was awesome. i got a full, open view of her asshole and pussy, and i could massage her full, round ass cheeks to my heart's delight. her ass (the cheeks) were really very beautiful – round, full, fleshy, just what the doctor ordered. she was sucking little kumbu bb, and i was getting to the point of exploding, so i pulled back to avoid the early disaster. she knew what to do – she stopped working on little kumbu and stuck her head under my balls and started to lick my taint.

honestly, i have never had this done to me before, and i was kind of wondering what it would be like. after a while, she rolled me over and stuck her tongue between my butt cheeks, swirling, flitting, poking. it was an interesting sensation, i must admit, but it was more ticklish than pleasurable. so i ended up enduring it more than enjoying it. i endured it because i wanted her to feel like she had given me something special. she was a sweet girl, very eager to please, and with an awesome body, so i had decided to pay her well. but for that, she needs to deliver above-and-beyond service, which she was currently doing, with her tongue in my ass.

so a few minutes later, i turned around and thanked her, and she giggled “boom boom now? daay may?! i like, i like.” enthusiasm – you gotta love it.

so i pulled out my own trojans and away we went. we started with cg, then reverse cg (the sight of her ass nearly killing me right there), during which she kept leaning backwards and forwards to great effect. i mean far more than normal: she would lean backwards, arching her back, accentuating the curvature of her ass, and then she would lean forward and lie flat against my knees. this produced a flared ass effect, if you can imagine that, which was just such a orgasm inducer. one time, as she leaned forward, her mouth found its way to my left big toe, which she popped into her mouth and started to suckle. phew, lucky i clipped my tow nails before going out tonight!

next we did missionary, then with her on her side, me entering from behind, then doggie for a very short time, to avoid the premature ejaculation, and then we ended it with her standing, leaning against the wall, bent at the waist, and me entering her from behind. as i orgasmed, i found myself clutching at her large ass with one hand, and at her shoulder with the other, trying to keep myself standing as my knees buckled under the pleasure.

[b]closing scenes[/b]
upon ending, i remained inside her and we gently lay backwards together onto the bed, she lying on top of me, little kumbu still inside her. we lay there like that for a good 10 minutes, panting, talking, breathing. she then got up and sent me to shower. she followed, and upon exiting, i asked her to leave (in a nice way, gently, but still).

she was a little taken aback by that, as she expected to stay the whole night i think. i told her that i had to go to work early, so it would be better for her to leave. so she slowly got dressed as we talked and joked. it took her an hour to finally leave, since we kept getting distracted and making out a little. we exchanged numbers, and i promised to go back for her on sunday. and given the experience tonight, that is a total no-brainer.

before she left, i asked her if i could take some photos of her. she laughed about how she is not pretty, and i said that i don't really want a shot of her face, i want something else. she began to object, something about internet, and i feigned ignorance (“what is this 'internet' you speak of? and why would anyone put nude photos on it?'), and i eventually cut her off and told her that i wanted some photos of her hands. she just broke out in all-out laughter – knee-smacking, full-lunged, roaring laughter. what a freak this guy is – he is offered to have his ass licked, to which his reaction is...meh...but he has a total hand fetish, of all things. on her way out, she gave me her phone number (i texted her the next day, just to solidify the connection) and i paid her 2500b (to really cement the relationship). i think she most definitely deserved this, as she was top notch the entire night. if she were an athlete, she would have received the mvp award.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]Rumor has it that the Red Cross is anonymous testing friendly and much cheaper than Bumrungrad Hospital.[/QUOTE]I like the Red Cross (on Ratdamri Rd.) but, as everyone else has said, there are lots of other choices now. Bam Rung Raat would be my last choice, for this test or pretty much anything else. Well, unless maybe you're a rich Saudi with hemorrhoids.

[quote=kumbu].......................

i think working girls in bkk are primarily in the business for the money, so let's just state that as a given fact. but beyond that, being the human beings that they are, these girls have preferences within the parameters of making money. each girl has preferences that they wish to fulfill that go beyond money. one preference might be getting a steady bf who sends money from somewhere (as opposed to a string of anonymous well-paying strangers). another might be to gain face amongst her peers. yet another might be to have sex with a good looking, well-groomed, tender lover, rather than a drunken brute. i'm not suggesting any of these preferences trump the money aspect of it, but when one describes the social interactions of these girls, it is important to recognize that they, like all of us, are motivated by various and complex factors.

so lifeingr, for whatever reason, you have two girls fighting over you. it's likely that you pay well, you dress well, you are decent looking, you smell good, you speak respectfully, you don't try to stick a broom handle up their asses while in bed, and you make them cum. furthermore, i now know that many of the bars in soi cowboy recently increased the number of required bar-fines a girl must bring in per month, which increases the pressure and competition amongst the girls. their disappointment may be money motivated, or it may be motivated by any number of these other things. it is complicated, and i think of all the people on this board, you are the most likely person to know which of these factors are causing this little quarrel. trust your gut.

i would say this kind of problem is very, very common. i have spoken to dozens of gogo girls who tell tales of love found, love entrenched, and love stolen away by that two-faced b-itch she used to call a friend. so it is not uncommon.

if i were you, i would ditch this bar. it is tainted now, and you will not get the same treatment from them for a while. you should find another favorite bar and start all over again there. give it a year, wait for the institutional memory to fade, for this generation of girls to move on, and then go back and see how things are. that's my two cents.[/quote]


kumbu, i do agree with your comments; i agree with everybody as you see, probably because i am a seller so i have to be diplomatic ;-)

for me the most possible reason for such behavior from the girls is the prospect of a long time boy friend. and yes i treat them well so this is why i am a good target. another thing that i believe makes them like me is that i can patiently listen them literally for hours!

even if in this case (long term boy friend) the basic motive is also the money (better financial stability), there is something that distinguish it (and also most of the thai bar girls) form the norm of p2p (from the providers perspective). we are talking here about young ladies which is normal to have “dreams” about their future. and it is quite possible that these dreams include a good husband which is a slightly different term from a “money machine”. of course most husbands (in every relation) are a kind of “money machines” but we have accepted (at least the majority of the society) that within a normal marriage the “money machine” characteristic of the husband is inferior to the feelings. so, from the one side i do not want to “encourage” them to have dreams of me being their husband but from the other side i still want to treat them well so there are chances that in some cases i'll be in some girls “husbandry dreams”.

this is more or less why i enjoy to be part of the “drama” as this “drama” is happening within the frames of a “game”. and i make efforts to keep things in a “game” situation. i do not exchange telephone numbers with them, and therefore i do not call or text them, i do not promise them things, i do not invite them for day activities (breakfast in the hotel the morning after is the limit), i do not say to them that i am looking for a girl friend.

so this is how i keep balance and this is why i was concerned about the situation with the 2 girls. i'll take your advise and i'll not visit the bar for at least one year. i just hope that there will be no “accidental meeting” in the soi cowboy; but i'll try to figure out a prose if this happens.

I've been following this chick via CL. She has a gestation period longer than an African Elephant.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Some of you were asking for Pregnant girls.....

[url]http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/ers/1960679845.html[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]It turns out the HIV in LOS is mostly type E that is a lot more infectious than the B type in the west. E type attacks the Langerhans cells on the penis, and many of the ladies with existing vaginal inflammation carry a higher loading to begin with. Statistics suggest 19% for freelancers and 4% for establishments, and a recent study published for 2004-2006 (why it was only published in 2010 is strange !) was 46% street workers and 4% brothels. These are merely guides, but certainly show that simply using a brothel is a five fold risk reduction...[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.avert.org/thailand-aids-hiv.htm[/url]

[url]http://cfs.unaids.org/country_factsheet.aspx?ISO=THA[/url]

[url]http://apps.who.int/globalatlas/predefinedReports/EFS2008/full/EFS2008_TH.pdf[/url]

[url]http://journals.lww.com/jaids/Abstract/2010/08010/HIV_Transmission_Rates_in_Thailand__Evidence_of.15.aspx[/url]

[url]http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2009/06/16/aidshiv-thailand/[/url]

Collation, analytics and verification will take a while unless they use LHC's computing grid ;-)

Thanks folks - will get her tested for hep C and HIV, then wake up blowjobs and swallow every morning and goodnight. A small investment of time to minimize risk and maximize pleasure. The source of data is as follows, and shows that distribution is very different, save that street workers are consistently much higher risk since surveys in 1999. But for 300 baht I can reduce that markedly, and have one (or more likely 2) girls who will learn what I like so after a few days I'll be sucked in the shower, or where ever, nice cold beer as their pretty little lips are wrapped around my large throbbing manhood and her friend sucks my balls. Cheers a fellow up !


See ACCESS TO HIV TESTING FOR SEX WORKERS IN BANGKOK, THAILAND: A HIGH PREVALENCE OF HIV AMONG STREET-BASED SEX WORKERS

P Nhurod, LJM Bollen, P Smutraprapoot1, O Suksripanich, U Siangphoe, R Lolekha, P Manomaipiboon, C Nandavisai, R Anekvorapong, S Supawitkul, W Subhachaturas, P Akarasewi and KK Fox

[url]http://www.thaiscience.info/Article%20for%20ThaiScience/Article/6/Ts-6%20access%20to%20hiv%20testing%20for%20sex%20workers%20in%20bangkok,%20thailand%20a%20high%20prevalence%20of%20hiv%20among%20street-based%20sex%20workers.pdf[/url]

[url]http://www.thailandguru.com/hiv-aids-thailand.html[/url]
[url]http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/HIV-1_Infection_Among_Female_Commercial_Sex_Workers_in_Rural_Thailand.pdf[/url]

went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] last week after drinking a few on cowboy. was pretty drunk. chose a cutie named "knee" - be warned, this was the absolute worst bj i have ever been given in my life! it started out okay but towards the end when i was about to cum her teeth started to grind on the end of my cock. i soldiered through and came in her mouth, but not before she had done the damage. the end of my cock (between the mushroom tip and the shaft) was ripped - i didn't feel the pain until the next morning and it still hurts now, 5 days later. it's getting better and i hope to be full throttle again by the weekend, but be warned about her. in hindsight i should have stopped it the second i felt her teeth but i was quite close to cumming so i just foolishly ignored it.

[quote=mangofan]went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] last week after drinking a few on cowboy. was pretty drunk.

but be warned about her

[/quote]

the moral of this story should be not to visit [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] when you're pretty drunk.

[QUOTE=Lifeingr]This story might sound not very relevant but given my jet lag tonight I decided to share it with you (hopping that sorry telling will make me sleep!).

I use to go quite often in a bar in Soi Cowboy. I started to go there about 1 year ago and I've taken out 3 girls. The first one I took out (twice) was not there in my next visits and another girl told me that she has gone back to her village. End of this story.

One night at the bar two girls approached me together (I will call them for now on Girl1 and Girl2). They asked me to buy them a drink and I did that. I was quite on the mood to take a girl out and while I was attracted by both of them I chose Girl1 (in principle I do not do trios). Actually, and for my taste, Girl2 is more attractive but I felt a much better chemistry with Girl1. We've had a very sexually intense night together and it was also a GFE with a good discussion on life and politics after the sex.

After a couple of weeks I visited again the bar looking for Girl1. I went there quite late and she has obviously been bar fined. Alas, the Girl2 appears in front of me. We have a couple of drinks and I decided for ST. Another nice GFE but not sexually so intense as with the Girl1. After the sex we chatted and at a certain point she tells me that Girl1 has asked her if I've been in the bar after the night we went together and she also asked me if it was OK to say to Girl1 that we've been together. I told her “Look, do not run and tell her that we've been together but if you are friends and you talk then it is up to you to tell her or not”.

After approximately two months I am back to the bar. Girl2 is not there and Girl1 is dancing the moment I enter the bar. When she show me she gave me a big smile and once she finished her dance she came and sat with me. A small talk, she says me a sad story about the past two months and we decide again to leave together. Again a very intense sex that drained me out completely and a nice talk after. No mention from her site about Girl2. But she has done something that I really didn't like it. When I gave her the money she counted them and she asked if this is the same amount I gave her last time. I said yes and she said “hmm, usually it is more”. I made no comment on this but I was pissed off.

Last part of the story. A couple of weeks ago I go again in the bar. The very moment I enter the bar and before even manage to identify who is who inside, Girl2 appears in front of me with a big smile and a hug. We sat together but she says to me that she has immediately to go dancing and that she will come latter. Once she leaves for the stage I have a look around and I see diagonally Girl1 staring at me with a sad look. OK, I was pissed off with her with the comment on the payment but the sad face made me to feel a bit “guilty” because I didn't see her (how stupid men can be some times!). At the same time some other girls were looking at her and I felt that she felt that she lost face (and we all now that this is not good for Thais). I smile to her and I invite her to my table. She comes, I explain to her that I really didn't see her when I entered the bar and I offer a drink. She starts hugging and kissing me and now the sad face is on Girl2. Girl1 says to me that Girl2 has told her that she loves me and that she felt very connected to me the night we went together. I did not reply to these comments and I just try to make a general discussion. When the dance finishes Girl2 comes down from the stage she gives my a Thai greeting without any smile and goes to the opposite side of the bar. It might sounds a bit stupid but I felt guilty again and I asked Girl1 if it is OK to invite Girl2 for a drink also. She tell me OK and such I did. Now the three of us have a drink, we chatted about 10 minutes for general things and then I decided to leave.

Now, the point is that I really like the bar and I want to go again but I don't want to get involved in this issue with the 2 girls (which of course I've partially caused). I've decided that the best is not to visit the bar for a couple of months (maybe more) but really I don't know what to do when I'll go there again in case that both girls are there. I do not want to continue with them but I want to be polite and not to “ignore” them.[/QUOTE]

I can guarantee to you that girl2 told girl1 that you'd BF her, and that you paid her more than you paid girl1, that's why she asked about the money, some of these bargirls talk so much shit, to each other and customers, you need to understand these two are just playing you, you need to learn to be the boss, your not their bf, your the boss, and don't let them forget It.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Holy crap, I bow to the master. Dude, you scare me...but this is great advise. I wonder if I could pull it off though. I think girls sense I am not the mac-daddy player type, but hmm, perhaps I could grow a pair and pretend to be...[/QUOTE]

He's right, you have to be able to give back as good as you get, these girls are just playing you like a piano,

Similar to what I said to Lifeingr, these girls are hookers, their not our gf's, sounds like you enjoyed Lek, but she started the BS about staying with you.
I've had the same thing many times, but at the end of the day, we are the boss, do you think thai bargirls would act like that with thai men? They are just playing weak farangs.

I once knew a Angelwitch showgirl, who was a great shag, and fun girl, but after one night she wanted to stay with me for another night, I told her I was a butterfly, and I go out that night to look for new lady, she kept asking me to stay, so I told her, ok If you want me to stay I wont pay you, she agreed to this, ok no problem. In the morning I was off to Patts, as we walked out of the hotel she was asking "darlin you give me money" these girls make you laugh lol.

[QUOTE=BKK Dreaming]
Hi
What time do the girls show up at Saphan Kwai gogos ?
I would want to go early in the week and leave the weekend for the locals :)

If you are taking one LT does it matter how early you take them ?
I was thinking 9-10pm if possible,

Also is there a problem taking them back to Sukhumvit ?

thanks for the info..................BK[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the late reply. I didn't have much time during the past weeks to check this forum and post reports.

I don't know exactly when the girls usually show up at Saphan Kwai gogos, but I guess that it's in the early evening (6 pm, maybe?). If you come in one of those establishments at 9 pm (approximately), and stay about one hour there, you should not have any problem to take the girl of your choice back to Sukhumvit for a LT session.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Are prices at SK still 1500 ST?[/QUOTE]

I have not visited this area recently, but a reliable friend of mine was there a few days ago and he confirmed that the going rates are still 1500-1600 baht ST and 2000-2100 baht LT in several go-go bars of Saphan Kwai.

No barfine, but as mentioned earlier, you are charged for the time spent in these establishment in the company of the girl(s) of your choice (about 150 baht/per hour and per girl).

[QUOTE=Goyave]I have not visited this area recently, but a reliable friend of mine was there a few days ago and he confirmed that the going rates are still 1500-1600 baht ST and 2000-2100 baht LT in several go-go bars of Saphan Kwai.

No barfine, but as mentioned earlier, you are charged for the time spent in these establishment in the company of the girl(s) of your choice (about 150 baht/per hour and per girl).[/QUOTE]

I have heard talk about the SK bars, are they worth going to as a farang? What are the girls like, Isaan look or are they more lighter skinned like thai men prefer?

[QUOTE=Mealticket]Ah, now it becomes clear.

An expert on Bangkok who doesn't live here.[/QUOTE]

I never claimed being "an expert on Bangkok". I just report, as honestly as possible, my personal observations (among other things) about how the local scene has (IMHO) changed since my first sojourn in this country in 1999.

By the way, you certainly know how fallacious [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority"]arguments from authority[/url] can be. For instance, I don't live in Pattaya either, but I've already ventured in some places of this town that many long-time residents don't know.

Everyone can provide valuable insights and information, even tourists. When I was living in Paris (I lived more than 15 years in this town), my tourist friends were sometimes better informed than me on various topics (for instance, the current entry fees in certain touristic venues). I've also observed that people who don't live in a specific town, but who visit it regularly, often notice price changes (for instance) more accurately than the residents, because those variations (for them) are not progressive but more abrupt.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]I have heard talk about the SK bars, are they worth going to as a farang? What are the girls like, Isaan look or are they more lighter skinned like thai men prefer?[/QUOTE]

You need to speak at least some basic Thai to go there, then, it's worth it (IMHO) in Bangkok. The girls working there have (on average) a fairer complexion than in the tourist-oriented venues.

[QUOTE=Goyave]You need to speak at least some basic Thai to go there, then, it's worth it (IMHO) in Bangkok. [/QUOTE]
Agree, if you don't speak thai don't even bother. You're at a disadvantage and are likely to be overcharged and cheated. These places are not set up for tourists.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]... See ACCESS TO HIV TESTING FOR SEX WORKERS IN BANGKOK, THAILAND: A HIGH PREVALENCE OF HIV AMONG STREET-BASED SEX WORKERS ...
[url]http://www.thaiscience.info/Article%20for%20ThaiScience/Article/6/Ts-6%20access%20to%20hiv%20testing%20for%20sex%20workers%20in%20bangkok,%20thailand%20a%20high%20prevalence%20of%20hiv%20among%20street-based%20sex%20workers.pdf[/url]

[url]http://www.thailandguru.com/hiv-aids-thailand.html[/url]
[url]http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/HIV-1_Infection_Among_Female_Commercial_Sex_Workers_in_Rural_Thailand.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the links. I already knew the figures mentioned on Thailand Guru's website.

The last PDF document ("HIV-1 infection among female commercial sex workers in rural Thailand") is obsolete (their data were collected between 1989 and 1993!).

I can't see where it is written that 19% of freelancers are HIV infected, as you stated in a previous post. In the first PDF document, it is written that "The HIV prevalences among the street-based sex workers, brothel-based sex workers and other women in these areas not reporting sex work who tested in the clinics were 45.8% (38/83), 4.2% (10/236) and 9.9% (28/284), respectively".

By the way, those figures should be taken with a pinch of salt, as only 684 women were tested, and in Bangkok only.

[b]life is good[/b]
what a night friday was – great experience with the waitress from carousel. i awoke after five hours of sleep, tired as hell, but fresh as a spring time daisy. the world seemed like a better place. i think the rain will subside today. i expect a break through in the israeli-palestinian problem. and maybe al-qaeda will realize what dweeb's they've been and rejoin the civilized world. hugs all around everybody, good job.

as i left my hotel room on the way to work, i felt the bounce in my step, the pep in my grin, and the will to power on through the fatigue. work went fine, thank you very much, and i was home by 6pm. i had a beer meeting set up with a fellow isger for 8pm, so i grabbed a quick power-nap, showered, and trotted off to soi 11 to meet up with one of the finer individuals on this board.

[b]like-minded mongers[/b]
i forgot to ask his permission to mention his username, so i will just talk about him in the abstract. turns out he was with his semi-girl-friend – a truly delightful, pretty little thing who giggled and teased just like a gf is supposed to do. we talked, drank some beer, and wiled away about the psychology of mongering, the technical difficulties we encounter, the highs and the lows. it was a pleasure, sir, and i look forward to our next encounter.

i bade my farewells to the isger and his gf and went off to meet another isger – spider_916. but upon checking my texts, i saw that spider was busy. hmm. so i went to nep, just to kill some time, before heading back to soi cowboy to try to pick up that beauty i saw the previous night. i only had time to hit one joint, so i decided to make it a bar i had never been into – rainbow. this is the one on the ground floor, on the right as you enter, the first one next to the escalator. i think it is rainbow 1.

[b]the belch, and other rainbow trivialities[/b]
i walked in and it was packed. i mean, there was no seating space, and the stage was packed full of legs, buttocks and super-cuts hairstyles. luckily, a guy was leaving, so i grabbed his spot. i sat there and looked, and the first thing i noticed was that the girls here are all skinny, skinny, and skinny. they also have a very asian look – mostly light skinned, with that chinese type look. i then looked around and noticed that around 90% of the customers were japanese. no, wait, everyone in there was japanese, except for me. wow.

i looked very carefully to be sure this was the case, and yup, i was the only non-japanese there. just then, an old disheveled, drunk-looking caucasian stumbled in and flailed into the seat next to me. he looked my way, sniffled a little, and then his head lolled the other direction. he had grey, stringy, greasy hair, was wearing an army surplus jacket, and had a stunned, whaaaa? kind of look on his face. he looked around a little in a dull-witted kind of way, waiting for the waitress, and in the meantime let out a loud, unabashed belch. it must have lasted a full 3 seconds, leaving an air of stale beer and onions. he wiped his mouth with the back of his hand, and licked his lips a little. the waitress approached him masking her disgust. he slurred an order for a whiskey-something-or-the-other, and began his blurry, dim-witted gaze at the stage. i think i saw a louse spring from his hair, but i could be mistaken.

i saw his lips curl a little, and i thought he might be getting ready for another almighty belch, but none followed. i then realized that this was his impression of a smile. why was he smiling? maybe he just had a bowel movement, and that's the only reaction he could muster. no, wait, it looked like he was smiling at something in the distance. i followed his gaze, and to my surprise, three girls were making looksies with the guy. wow, you've got to hand it to these girls: they will screw anything for the right amount. but next to these three gals was one slim, stunning girl. she was pretty, skinny, slightly darker skin than the japanese prefer, and a really cute face. she had eyes that were those of a seductress extraordinaire, and she was writhing around on stage as if she really meant it (i.e., no gogo shuffle). she too had pretty much the same kind of smile as the other three, except her smile was not directed at the mess of a man to my right. to my great surprise, she was looking right at me with a huge, sexy grin. ok, didn't i just say that they will screw anything for the right amount? well...

attention: a great aphrodisiac for sure.

i say that because this lovely thing was cute and everything, but she was just a very small girl. she was skinny, with a small ass, slender (not skinny) legs, and smallish breasts. she had great hair, great lips, and of course awesome eyes, and she was very well proportioned, but she just isn't my usual type. nonetheless, fabulous was her smile, and even more fabulous was her attitude, and so the attention she was heaping upon me meant that she had earned herself a chat and a ld.

upon the shift change, i gave her a little innocuous hand wave. she came and sat down, name is lek, 25 years old, no kids, been in bkk many years, but working in the bar for 4 months. she likes bkk, she likes this bar, but not working as a working girl. she likes falang men more than japanese men, and it seems this is the wrong bar for her since 95% of customers are japanese. she admitted this fact, but explained how the few falang men that come in are almost always attracted to her. so it works well for all concerned. her look is the typical **** look that so many of us falang (current author excepted, of course) seek so desperately.

she started to apply the pressure, ever so gently. first was the soft bicep caress (the caress was soft, not the bicep :) ), then the question of which hotel i stay at, and then she began with the 'i take care you'. i generally take that as a good sign, since they rarely say that in the bar and then end up starfishing you back in the hotel. but the hour was still so early, and there was so much potential out there that i just could not commit to her. so i ditched her, and to her great distress, i chugged down my heineken and cruised on outta there, holding my breath as i passed mr. drunken mctwo-burps.

[b]go west young man...to soi cowboy[/b]
it was now something like 10:30, and i took the short 15b bts trip up to asoke and walked over to soi cowboy. i was in search of that beautiful ass i saw yesterday, the one which i left 100b for.

[b] first stop: dollhouse[/b]
upon entry, i was disappointed to see that there was no where to sit except in the corner on the right. so i sat there, getting no love from any of the girls. but more to the point, i did not see my girl. so i went upstairs and sat at a table with a good looking set of legs dancing at eye level. i sipped my heineken, letting the buzz of alcohol and sex mesmerize me for a while. the legs looked great, and as i looked up, the rotunda on display also looked pretty damned tasty. i couldn't quite make out the girls face, for lack of cranial dexterity, but that's ok. the haze was descending, in that dark, smoky atmosphere of dollhouse, with the loud music thumping in my ears, arsenal playing sunderland on the big screen, and writhing sexy legs 9 inches from my nose. mmmm, bangkok, oh you sweet intoxicating city, you.

the shift ended, and the girl got down. i was about to call her over when i saw her walking away. damn, the legs that had looked so great at eye level suddenly looked pretty odd-shaped. funny how perspective changes things so much. so i let her slide.

next to climb onto my table was a cute young thing with too many teeth in her mouth (i love that by the way). she too had substantial legs and an even more substantial butt, but given the optical illusion i had just discovered with the other girl, i decided it would be better not to pursue this one until i had seen her from the right angles. her waitress friend came up and gave me the line of how the girl thinks i am soooo cute, and i managed to rebuff those advances fairly effectively. nonetheless, over the next 10 minutes, i kept my eyes fixated squarely on her legs, and every time she spun around, my eyes would shift focus on to her very round ass. and occasionally, when the mood dictated, i would strain my neck and look up at her face, seeing nothing but a mouthful of teeth glowing in the neon light. beyond that i could tell that she had a very cute little face, so i was content. as i was about to leave, i talked a little with the girl on the table, and we got a good rapport going. i eventually returned and bfed this girl, so keep that in mind.

[b] next stops: a series of crappy, loser bars, imho[/b]
[u]next: shark.[/u] i walked in and the place was so full i could not find a seat. i mean, it was only me (one small-framed guy), and there was not a single spot of space in the entire joint. there were plenty of girls on stage, but shit, this was ridiculous. so i about-turned and left. technically this is not a crappy bar, but it was just too full. this means it is probably really good, but if you can't get in, then what's the use?

[u]next: tilak.[/u] this place was also fullish, and very, very loud. i sat in the back and got accosted by a pretty girl who looked to be in her late twenties, early thirties. certainly not my type (skinny), but i needed something to divert my attention, so i bought her a drink. as soon as it arrived, she gulped the tequila down and announced it was time for her to dance. when she told me this, i did not even acknowledge her and just looked away. she sat for a moment trying to figure out if i had heard it or not, and then she figured out that this was my passive-aggressive reaction, and so she slinked away. i was too tired of this shit – bad behavior, ripping of falang, that's it for me and tilak. i've been in there a half dozen times or so and it is always the same shit. this is certainly only my experience and ymmv, but i'm hereby announcing that tilak will be receiving neither kumbu's patronage nor baht.

tilak, you and i are officially done.

next was a place on the other side of the soi called [u]dundee[/u]. i walked in and sat in front of three dancers of negligible quality. the waitress came over and asked what i wanted to drink, and then asked me if i wanted a girl to come and sit with me. i said “no, not now”. she said “ok” and left. mama san immediately arrived and pointed to the girls and asked which one i wanted. i said “not now please.” so she left.

then a hostess girl, you know, one of those girls dressed in street clothes but who works there to hustle customers out of their cash, she made looksies with me. i ignored her, and so she indicates she wants to join me. i shook my head and indicated 'no' with my hand. she ignored this and came over anyway. as she was walking over i held out my hand to indicate 'no!”, but she came anyway. she squeezed into the space next to me, pushing me aside, and said “can i talk with you?” i said “i want to be alone thanks” to which she replied 'where you come from?” i told her america, and she said “oh nice. can you buy me a drink?”

grumpy kumbu.

i rolled my eyes. took a deep breath, got up and walked out. the waitress was upset because my drink was on its way, so she just lost a tip, but does kumbu care? i think not.

next, i went to [u]midnite[/u], and was escorted in by a girl in a cowboy hat, cowboy boots, and more metal in her teeth than an iron ore mine in papua new guinea. she had long, beautiful hair that went down to her ass, and ears that popped straight out from her head, literally pointing in either direction. this had a kind of endearing effect on me, so after a few moments of chatting i bought her a drink, which was cool. but as soon as it arrived, a parasite friend arrives and chumps me for another drink. oh my buddha, what is it with the hustling tonight?! i ignored her, paid for both drinks (undrunk at this point) and just got the fuck out of dodge.

[b]finally, things begin to work for kumbu[/b]
getting downright pissed, i decided to go back to dollhouse for one last shot at the pretty, toothy girl with the voluminous ass. when i got in, i sat downstairs, and to my surprise my tooth-filled girl had moved from upstairs to downstairs. cool, so we made googly eyes for a good 10 minutes while she danced. as she did so, she undulated around the pole really well – swinging her ass left and right, bending well at the knees, using her hips very well. i kept getting distracted by the smile on this girl. her teeth were straight and plentiful, and so that's all i could see beyond the ass. so when she faced me the target for my eyes were her teeth, and when she turned the other way, it was her ass. when the shift changed, she giggled her way over to me - and all i saw was a jiggling bum and a bouncing set of teeth. she was super, super cute, and super, super fun. she did not hustle me at all – not once did she ask for a drink, or a bf, or anything else for any of her fucking friends or anything like that. and then her turn to dance came up again, and so she scampered off to jiggle her stuff for me on stage, all in a great, easy, frivolous mood.

on the next rotation i offered her a drink, and she was very pleased and appreciative. see, this is what it should be like. at around this time, i got a text from spider saying he was on his way. cool, the evening was looking up.

a few minutes later spider arrives and i was quite glad to see him. the shit i had been through was slowly wearing on me, and so his arrival meant some pleasurable talking with a sophisticated, easy gentleman, along side this pleasurably easy girl who was courting me. so we talked while we sipped the beer, and my girl giggled around us like a giddy school child.

after 20 minutes or so, spider spots a couple of friends of his, and suddenly there is a group of us. we talked and drank and basically shot the shit for another hour or so, moving upstairs and continuing up there for a while. it was a low-key, pleasurable time spent amongst mongers in a bangkok gogo bar. i think this is a part of the mongering experience that a lone ranger such as myself should experience more often – it was indeed relaxing and enjoyable. many thanks to spider for being such a hospitable host.

the club announced they were closing at 2:30, so i bfed my girl for 600b. we had agreed to 1500 st, as i needed to get up in the morning. furthermore, she told me that she had a 'reservation' in the early morning. at the time, i thought this meant she had a customer waiting, but later i found out it was something else (unrelated to sex, actually. yah, hard to believe.).

[b]snakes, bats, mice, vampires, zombies...they all have nothing on this[/b]
we walked over to the hotel and up to the room. we talked for 20 minutes or so as she sipped some water, and then she strips off. damn girlfriend! she had one hell of an ass on her, and i was getting pretty wet thinking about what i would do to that ass. so i strip and we enter the shower together. i start to wash her off, focusing on the ass and legs of course (you know, leopard, spots and all that). as i am squatting with her soapy ass in my face, i notice the water at her feet was brown. huh? i look up at her in confusion, and see absolute, sheer terror on her face. her eyes are as wide and the same shape as dollar coins, her mouth is contorted in a silent scream, her lips pulled back revealing her teeth, all 48 of them, and her hands start to grasp aimlessly at nothing much. snakes, bats, mice, vampires, zombies were nothing compared to whatever was causing this fear in her.

“tilaaaaak...” she murmurs as she desperately clutches at my shoulders to get up. i'm still dumb and dumber, and i get to my feet not quite registering the gravity of the situation. although from the look on her face i can see something serious is up.

“tilaaaaak....i tink....me have peliod.”

aaw fudgestickles! big, sticky, smelly, stale fudgestickles with shit-chips stuck up my ass with some chili pepper sauce. that's how i felt. goddam, what's next, will she start singing phil collins songs now? or tell me how the american tax system overtaxes the wealthy? or try to convince me how apple is a corporation with a conscience, and not evil like all other corporations? grrrrr.

she kicks me out of the shower, and i stew in the bedroom for a few moments, wondering what i had done to jesus and/or mohamed in my past life such that buddha was fucking me like this. she steps out of the bathroom and says that because it is the first day of her period, we can still do it...if i want.

no, i do not want, thanks. but i did pay her bf, so something needs to happen. she agrees, and promises to make it good. but she cannot do toot, she says in no uncertain terms. so i ask her “what then?” and she says “what you want?”

we eventually worked out a plan. i told her that either i get a good time, or she goes home empty handed. and she had no complaint whatsoever – she was really aghast and embarrassed that we were in this situation. so she strips off, and i can see a tampon string sticking out of her pussy. eeew. i tried to ignore it.

instead, i focused on those beautiful, round buns on her backside. with her standing at the bed's edge, me sitting on the bed, i started to kiss her ass cheeks, and after a few moments of this i began to smell the odor of her period. ugh. so i pushed her away a little and just massaged and groped her butt for a good five minutes. i must say that was getting me off pretty well.

she then turned around, dropped to her knees and started to give me a bbbj. she was aaaaaweful at it! i mean, she tried her best, and gave me all the effort she could, but effort does not belie the absence of talent. so i endured the rather toothy, arrhythmic, haphazard bj for a few minutes, and then decided the ass was the way to go. so i flipped her onto the bed, my dick still sloppy from her bj, and i slipped it between her gynormous butt cheeks (no insertion, just a hot-dog in a bun situation). i started to give myself an ass job, if you will, using the butt cheeks to produce the desired amount of friction. she was kind of a passive participant in this, but she didn't complain or anything. i suddenly realized that i was [i]sans[/i] condom...and i was rubbing my dick against her bare asshole...probably not wise at all. but i was already mid-event here, and i couldn't just stop. after all, if i slap a condom on, one of the unlubricated trojans that i have, how would i ass-job myself? i didn't have any lube with me. spit, perhaps, but i had a better idea. see, problem solving skills are our species' forte. here's how i solved the problem, thereby exemplifying our superiority over all other animals: i squashed her ass cheeks together so as to create some height in the flesh, and my dick was now fully engulfed in ass meat, but not really in direct contact with her asshole i know this is still not the best of things, but that was my compromise. i'd like to see some vervet monkey figure that one out, phphphp. i pumped, groaned, squeezed, massaged the cheeks, and eventually blew my load into the small of her back.

i heaved a sigh of relief, and as i did so i smelled the odor of my own cum, as it began to dribble bedwards. i grabbed some tissues and wiped her off. i showered myself, and then she cleaned up without actually taking another shower (i suppose the tampon in there must make that awkward, dunno).

we talked for another half hour. she is a sweet thing for sure, and so i was bitterly disappointed that it had turned out this way, but what is one to do? i gave her 1000b for effort, attitude and superlative gluteal dimensions, and sent her on her way. as she left, she apologized for the umpteenth time, and to tell the truth, it did make me feel better.

i finally got to sleep around 4am, and with my alarm clock set for 9am to get to work an hour late at 10am, i thought i would get a good five hours of sleep. instead, the jet lag conspired to screw me of my sleep, and my eyes popped wide open at 4:51am. shit, tonight i was hustled by everyone and everything, including the cosmic forces of time and space.

Got up pretty late in the day, went again to Bawarchi to have enjoy another round of meal. Just liked the food and ate little too much than usual. SY was mentioning about Plaza Entertainment complex and decided to check it out. Reached there with little difficulty due to our own stupidity and language barrier. Checked cupidz(on on the basement) didn't find any good ones, so went next level, again few choices, went to 6th floor Aqua. Again very few choices (it must be around 4 then. To early for birds to reach their nests I guess). Then by taxi did some touring of Angaah, J1, Amsterdam. But hardly any likable choices. Decided to head back to hotel to relax. On the way back, decided to check out Annies. More about this later, but Annies was not for my types.!

As we were walking back to hotel discussing how Annies doesn't require touts as we the member of this forums help them to sustain business.! One of the taxi fellow offered us to take to Plaza at 20 Baht and I took the offer, but SY had to go back to hotel to charge his mobile, so alone proceeded back to Plaza. By the time I reached it must have been about 7PM. As usual scanned Basement and 1st floor, didn't like anybody. Moved to Aqua. Stark difference. Matter of few hours, the nest was full of birds. Plenty to choose from at different price levels. The old man who was escorting was real pushy and he wanted to choose one in hurry. But pushed him aside sat there started scanning with eagle eyes. One bird was making eye contact to me and looked pretty young and somehow I melted to that look. Such an innocent face and twinkles in her eyes (which I cud see from about 7mtrs distance) attracted me and told old man to call her over. As she got up from her seat and started walking I was patting my own back for the decision I've made. She walked so slowly and felt she's taking eternal to reach my seat. One of the best "CAT WALK" I've seen. (if one goes back to ancient stories its called "DEAR WALK"). She was wearing tiger marked smallish cloth which was revealing right amount of skin at right places. Though wee bit disappointed looking at her smallish boobies but better than plastic man made ones.! I had a beer in hand as usual she bend over and did "Namastey" and sat next to me. As usual chit chats about names, country, etc etc. I'm feeling good.!

Paid the charges at counter, headed towards the room. Very spacious room, neat clean no smell good view of neighborhood, and mirrors all over. Vow.

As I was lighting a cigy to relax and get used to the atmosphere, Nook came close to me gave one of her deadly very sensuous smile. She just opens her lip little bit exhibits her milky white tooth with little bit of tongue popping somewhere. Just cudn't resist. Pulled close to me and gave a deep, real long kiss. Each our tongues exploring depth of other's mouth. What a start.! By now maid entered and started preparing for the bath ordered a beer, sat there admiring the beauty of the lady in my hand. After some 5 mins or so everything was set for exciting "bedazzled" session. As I finished smoking she was ready without cloths. Very lean tight smooth curvaceous body lovely clean shaven Y. Little boobies were irrespective for me as I was completely blown over other factors around. She helped to get ride of my cloths and gave a surprise look at my Johny. There is nothing much to write about the massage here. One of the other girls whom I asked to do more massage said. "no massage here. Only bath and sex. If you want massage why waste money here go to some proper thai mp". How true.! We got ourselves immersed in the giant tub. She gave a bath washed me everywhere and including Johny. Also gave a real wet BBBJ after washing. I thought of coming in her mouth but somehow do not wanted to dirty her. Instead pulled her and started eating her pussy. Washed it with cold beer and it was as delicious as I've ever tasted. She was moaning to the glory and was completely enjoying the one of the nicest pussy I could lay my hands (or tongue). Almost 30 mins of our allotted time wud 've passed by now. So decided to move over to bed. She dried me and washed herself. Gave some mouth freshener and also washed her pussy with the same. Once we moved to bed I was kissing like a maniac. She was responding so positively that I forgot who I am(Lost in LOS. Still haven't figured it. S for SEX or SMILE). We were exploring and biting each other as much as we could. She slowly moved and started kissing my nipples, played with them for few mins and moved further south to JOhny. He was standing as if he requires lot of attention and that's what she did. She sucked it real wet for few mins, played with my balls, sucked them deep inside her mouth, kissed me all along my legs. So fascinating. After a while pulled her up and again deep kissing. I'm running out of words for the expression here. Got myself top of her and played with those small cherry like nipples for a while. I was one of the best moaning sound I've ever heard. Moves further down and kissed all the way till her toe. Played with them for while, and moved to pussy. It was tasting great with Listerine wash and my tongue was all over her pussy. She was moaning little louder and getting real wet now. It must be my longest DATY. I felt she came once while I was doing this. Her body shivered and almost she bounced of bed. Now we get into Final Act. She pulled me over and put the condoms smoothly. I was feeling this is one of the best erections I've ever had. Started with misshy. Though she had a tight one, since she was so wet I found no difficulty in thrusting mine completely into her. As I entered completely inside her she gave a loudest moan. Her nipples were very erect from the excitement. Entered completely inside and kissed her even more passionately. Her response to the whole action was so good she was reciprocating the same passion with which I was doing the act. Slowly started moving up and down. Removed completely couple of times. Slowly without removing mine outside she slowly moved top of me. She moved there like a salsa dancer and I was feeling her inside muscles movement. Now she was getting tired. I pulled me out slowly and asked her to go to doggy position. She gave a slow pat on my cheeks, smiled and moved to the position. Slowly I inserted again started doing the action. She was on cloud nine by now. Still my johny was going strong and she now started requesting me to come. Again pulled myself out, went back to mishy. Started the action again. She was kissing me so deeply. Now I felt she wanted more of me and responded with all I could. Damn it. She gave me that smile again and my Johnny completely lost now. Exploded and I let out a good loud moan. She held my shivering body tightly and we stayed in that kissing position for a while. Then she ever slowly removed my johny from hers and using napkin removed condom and cleaned me. Then she gave a standing bath and she also had shower.

Having completely lost all of my strength and sat there sipping remaining beer and smoking a ciggy. She came up started dressing. Again ever so slow movements. So fucking erotic. We were almost running overtime here and requested for few snaps which she happily obliged. Got myself dressed with her help. Stole another nice deep kiss, said good bye to her promised to call her to my room. But Alas. That never happened. No wonder they call Bangkok either it MISS or HIT.

I'm really losing my senses here. Yet to know whether its for SEX or SMILE.!

Checked out SK a few times even if it's very far from where my hotel is. My Thai is only very basic so I had difficulties communicating even though in most paces they have usually one mamsan or waitress who speaks ok English. I did not think that the girls where any better than SC or NEP. The cutie I spoke to did not want to go to my hotel as it was too far and proposed some short-time place nearby but when I saw that horrible room, I just gave her a tip and left to SC. No way I would have undressed in that fleapit.



[QUOTE=Goyave]I have not visited this area recently, but a reliable friend of mine was there a few days ago and he confirmed that the going rates are still 1500-1600 baht ST and 2000-2100 baht LT in several go-go bars of Saphan Kwai.

No barfine, but as mentioned earlier, you are charged for the time spent in these establishment in the company of the girl(s) of your choice (about 150 baht/per hour and per girl).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kumbu][b]Life is Good[/b]
.[/QUOTE]


Great report as always. It was indeed a pleasure to see you again. Thanks for pointing out that her bj skills sucks. I just deleted her from my todo list.
Did you see that Stick wrote about Som (Nummber 8)? Now she will be even more popular than before...

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]I was at Shox (300 B. cover) [/QUOTE]

What and where is shox? Never heard about it

While we are on the subject, as a precautionary measure I would the name of a clinic near Nana are in case I come down with a dose of something.

Any recommendations?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Goyave]Thanks for the links. I already knew the figures mentioned on Thailand Guru's website.

The last PDF document ("HIV-1 infection among female commercial sex workers in rural Thailand") is obsolete (their data were collected between 1989 and 1993!).

I can't see where it is written that 19% of freelancers are HIV infected, as you stated in a previous post. In the first PDF document, it is written that "The HIV prevalences among the street-based sex workers, brothel-based sex workers and other women in these areas not reporting sex work who tested in the clinics were 45.8% (38/83), 4.2% (10/236) and 9.9% (28/284), respectively".

By the way, those figures should be taken with a pinch of salt, as only 684 women were tested, and in Bangkok only.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kumbu]

I gave her 1000B for effort, attitude and superlative gluteal dimensions, and sent her on her way. As she left, she apologized for the umpteenth time, and to tell the truth, it did make me feel better.

[/QUOTE]
That is good that you gave her less than the full amount agreed upon.

[QUOTE=Spider916]What and where is shox? Never heard about it[/QUOTE]

It's a new club, correct name is Shock 39, sorry.

[url]http://www.bangkokrecorder.com/shock-39-new-club-opening-on-petchburi-road-s[/url]

Bumrungrad, Samitivej, BNH, Sukhumvit Hospital, Carmilain etc etc etc



[QUOTE=Henryv]While we are on the subject, as a precautionary measure I would the name of a clinic near Nana are in case I come down with a dose of something.

Any recommendations?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spider916
What and where is shox? Never heard about it

[QUOTE=New Old Guy]It's a new club, correct name is Shock 39, sorry.

[url]http://www.bangkokrecorder.com/shock-39-new-club-opening-on-petchburi-road-s[/url][/QUOTE]


I was there mid July 2010. The old name is Boss club. Today is totally renuwed and they removed the 2 pool tables the old club has.
When I was there (around 01:00 AM) on a weekday it was really empty, nice club, nice music but ....no action (and a lot of ladyboys).
I did not gave it another visit in August, will check again as of mid October.

[QUOTE=Henryv]While we are on the subject, as a precautionary measure I would the name of a clinic near Nana are in case I come down with a dose of something.[/QUOTE]

If you came down with the grizzly shits and your arms and legs fell off, you could still crawl to Bumrumgrad, one of the world's best hospitals, only a block or so to the north of Nana. It's an international medical tourism destination.

[url]http://www.bumrungrad.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Kumbu][b]Life is Good[/b]As I left my hotel room on the way to work, I felt the bounce in my step, the pep in my grin, and the will to power on through the fatigue. Work went fine, thank you very much, and I was home by 6pm. I had a beer meeting set up with a fellow ISGer for 8pm, so I grabbed a quick power-nap, showered, and trotted off to soi 11 to meet up with one of the finer individuals on this board.

[b]Like-minded Mongers[/b]
I forgot to ask his permission to mention his username, so I will just talk about him in the abstract. Turns out he was with his semi-girl-friend – a truly delightful, pretty little thing who giggled and teased just like a GF is supposed to do. We talked, drank some beer, and wiled away about the psychology of mongering, the technical difficulties we encounter, the highs and the lows. It was a pleasure, sir, and I look forward to our next encounter.[/QUOTE]Ha ha! Flattery will get you everywhere! But it a was a pleasure to meet with you too, Kumbu.

And indeed, The Shrimp is a particularly fine specimen of Thai femininity. I have known her now for over two years, grow increasingly fond of her and still relish a few days in her company.

[QUOTE=Spider916]Did you see that Stick wrote about Som (Nummber 8)? Now she will be even more popular than before...[/QUOTE]Yeah, I saw that yesterday - funny. So the word is out, and I think you can expect to never see the girl. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Amjeck]That is good that you gave her less than the full amount agreed upon.[/QUOTE]I thought you'd like that. Actually, just to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off: so apologetic was she, I could easily have given her 500B and she would have been happy. But in my opinion, given her attitude, and her willingness to let me have my way with her glutes, I thought she deserved what I gave her.

In one of my recent trips came across an expat and he mentioned about a book named Thai Girls Revealed. He shared some fascinating stories as how he unearthed a huge gold mine of crazy sex lovers in Thailand..Just went through their website and although it looks appealing just thought of getting a first hand review from the members and seniors of Thailand.

The website reads "Expatriate Reveals The SHOCKING REALITY Behind The Thai Bar Girl Culture!"

[url]http://bit.ly/ddbLTU[/url]

Any views?

Oh God, what the hell?

Barely having slept, I found myself at work on a Sunday morning at 9am. People around me were happy, peppy, buzzing around. I had a perpetual crumpled brow, a look of belligerence in my eyes, a frailty of patience all around me, and a slur of fatigue in my voice.

Peppy worker 1: Good morning!
Peppy worker 2: :) Did you ;) have a nice :) Saturday evening?! :) ;)
Peppy worker 3: This project is so exciting, isn't it? I'm so glad to be here on a Sunday morning!
Kumbu: Aaw fffffffff...whatever. Where's the coffee?

At around that time, David33, who coincidentally is in town now, texts me to set things up for the evening. I am psyched about hanging with David – he's a senior ISG member, forum moderator, and experienced monger all around. I am sure I will not only learn a lot, but it will be a blast. So I tell my work people that I need the afternoon off. I get vague responses of confusion – they have no evidence of the kind of nights I enjoy. I mean, I'm sure they suspect, but there is no direct evidence – of that I am sure. And because I am so meticulous about maintaining this veneer of respectability at work, I have never missed so much as a minute of work. This was the first time in a long time that I was missing some part of work. But hey, I have chores to do, plus I could meet with David for lunch or something.

So that's what we do – grab some falafel in the soi behind Big C, chat over a triple-espresso and other beverages, and talk politics, literature, mongering, and all manner of things. It was a pleasure.

I eventually leave David, with plans to meet up again at NEP later that night. I spent the afternoon scoping out hotels. The plan was to move out of the Grand Millennium and into something else, just because I want to see what various hotels are like. I scoped out the Park Plaza, Admiral Premiere, S15, and Dream hotel. I eventually ended up booking Hotel Solo, mostly on Mouse's recommendation, and I'll let you all know what I think of that sometime soon. (So far so good, Mouse!)

Got back to the hotel at 5pm, napped a little, and got ready for the night out. I grabbed some quick dinner and then another triple espresso, and jittered my way over to NEP to meet up with David. There were some decent looking FLs in front of the NEP, which distracted us before we went in.

[b]NEP – An Historic Low?[/b]
Ok, so tonight NEP was a fucking disaster, and I don't know why. It was downright depressing, I'm sad to say. It ultimately ended well, but still, the atmosphere in each bar, the quality of girls, the variety available...it all sucked. But nonetheless, here is the run-down.

[u]Rainbow 1[/u]
David and I poked our heads into a bar or two for some quick looks, but nothing worth talking about. We included in this head-poking session Rainbow 1, which if you recall from my previous report was totally packed the night before. But today, at around 8:30pm, there were three girls on stage and a dozen guys. It was nothing like the night before, and that was just odd. I scanned for the old boozer from last night, and not even he was in there. Turns out that almost all the bars in NEP were the same tonight – empty and dead. That's what I mean by it being depressing.

[u]Lollipop, Spanky's, Angelwitch[/u]
The girls in Lollipop were completely uninspired and uninspiring. They looked bored and depressed, and there was just no buzz in the place. David and I sat there for 20 minutes, rather sadly trying to feel optimistic. We eventually bailed, at which point David went back to his nearby-hotel for a few minutes, and I made my way to Spanky's and then Angelwitch. Both these places were dead as doornails. There were 6 girls in Spanky's, none of which were BF worthy, and the same deal in Angelwitch.

There was a Manchester United – Liverpool game on at the time, and that might have had something to do with it, but I've never seen NEP this bad before.

[u]Carousel[/u]
Spider texted me at that point, and we agreed to meet at Carousel. I figured I would BF the waitress from the other night, given how slim the pickings seemed to be. So I walked over to Carousel, and to my utter shock, Carousel was totally dead as well. The B-team was on the main carousel, and the secondary carousel was empty. Furthermore, there were 4 girls on stage, none of whom were worth a second glance. There were four other guys in the whole place, all looking bored, jiggling with their phones or something like that. It was pathetic.

But my girl was there, and she was happy to see me. So I sat down, and slipped my hand between her legs and got a good, firm handful of slinky thigh meat. Ah, the night may be looking up. Crabby Kumbu was beginning to emerge from his cocoon.

Spider walked in, and he too was a little shocked by the deadness of the place (and Spider knows this place well). So when David arrived back, we decided to bail and head over to Rainbow 4.

[u]Rainbow 4[/u]
Rainbow 4 was jumping and buzzing. It was packed full of girls and customers – it was almost as if all the activity in NEP had been focused on this one bar to the exclusion of everything else. We got stuck in the far corner on the right as you enter, which was a crap location. So David, Jedi Master that he is, calls over the papa san, and with a wave of his hand, he plays a Jedi Mind trick on the man.

Jedi David: These seats are terrible, is there anything else available?
StormTrooper PapaSan: No sir, we all full.
Jedi David: You will get us good seats. (waves hand across his face)
StormTrooper PapaSan: I will get you good seats.

And off he runs. 3 minutes later, he comes back and ushers us to a table right at the foot of the stage with a perfect view of the girls on the left side of the bar – what I described to David as Prime Time seats. See, timid Kumbu would have sat back and taken my bad luck, but David, master as he is, decided to be the master of his own destiny. The Jedi Powers inspire confidence, I am sure, and the pink bills discretely slipped into papa sans palms don't hurt either.

As we were being shown to the table, Spider spied a pair of big boobs on a skinny girl and without a jot of hesitation motioned for her to join us. It was almost a reflex action, something that comes from years of experience – an art that is well-honed amongst the top mongers in the field. Again, timid Kumbu would have hesitated, belying his amateur status in the field.

We were all ogling the boobs because we couldn't figure out if they were real or not. I mean, they were unnaturally large for a girl of her slender frame, suggesting artificial enhancement. But they looked really good (i.e., no overt evidence of tampering or foul-play), so we were confused. When she arrived, it was like take-your-boob-to-school day, where she was playing show-and-tell and we were trying to all get our fingers in there to see if they were real. Imagine 30 fingers all poking at once at the chest of this poor girl – I felt a little sorry for her, but she didn't seem to mind. Even after these thirty fingers had poked around sufficiently, we were still in disagreement as to their authenticity, and so David said to her “Silicone?” and she nods yes.

Wow, three experienced mongers, and we couldn't really figure it out, which is quite remarkable. She paid 50K for them, and given the quality of the work, I'd say that was 50K well-spent.

Anyway, no longer holding any interest or use to us, she left, while David scoped out a cute little dark-skinned girl. She had a spectacularly sweet face, and a body to boot. But she got snapped up by a limp-dicked looking guy behind us. Nonetheless, 10 minutes later, she was back up on stage, which was a bad sign.

Eventually, David decides he wants to talk to this girl. We can't find mama san to get the girl, so I ask a waitress to get the girl for David. The problem was the waitress thought it was ME asking for the girl, so she came over thinking I was interested in her. Confusion reigned. I then made the mistake of asking her her name (she seemed nervous and needed a soft touch), but this just further confused her, since she was getting signals from both me and David. At this point, realizing the problem, David explained to dumbass Kumbu what was happening, and I sheepishly stepped out of it.

So this girl was about as disinterested in customers as I have ever seen. I mean, there was just nothing coming from her – her super-pretty eyes were focused off in the distance except when spoken directly to. Her body language spoke a single phrase, loud and clear: “Fuck Off.” This is why the limp-dicked guy had not gotten anywhere, and it was pretty obvious that this was not going to go anywhere with David either. He did his best, but he was swimming against a pretty strong current. This girl was clearly not in the mood, and despite David being a charming muther-fucker, nothing was going to happen. 5 minutes later, David cut her loose and tossed this starfish back into the ocean for her to flit off into whatever oblivious current she wished to. Good choice David.

[u]Mandarin[/u]
We bailed, and David decided he needed to test the FL scene, while Spider and I visited Mandarin (upstairs). So we bade farewell to the Jedi Master, and went up into the darkness of Mandarin. The Long-legged team was on stage. There were quite a few customers here, and actually a good number of girls, but nothing really spectacular. We waited for the shift change, and the school girls came on stage. Nothing much there either. I bought a girl a LD, but no sparks flew.

[u]Miscellaneous[/u]
Next, we poked our heads into a couple of bars: Rainbow 3 and Erotica (downstairs). These all looked terrible and dead, with three or four girls on stage. We went to Erotica (upstairs) and at least had a beer each before bailing there too. Shit, how many places did we go to tonight, and there was just nothing there? We were commenting on just how fucking picky we have become, but I don't think it was just our pickiness – NEP was particularly bad tonight.

[u]Back to Carousel[/u]
Luckily, we decided to go back to Carousel, since I wanted to grab my waitress again. Upon entry, things were bustling a little more than before, and pretty soon my waitress was rubbing her ass all over me. Good girl. She was wearing a frilly black underwear which was poking out of her tiny little skirt. I enjoyed playing with that little strap of frilly black.

The girl was working it. She placed my hand on her ass and then started to gyrate, making sure that my hand would rub backwards over her asshole, and then forwards across her pussy. Good girl. I felt the musty dampness of her pussy, and rather than being repulsed by that, I pulled my hand back and took a long, seriously depraved inhalation. Mmmm, dank, sweaty pussy...that reminded me of my dog Boner, who when I was young taught me a lot about life. In this case, he taught me that sticking your nose into a pretty b*itches ass/pussy can be quite liberating.

I looked over and saw a thin cutie had started working Spider, and a smile was finally beginning to creep across his face. His brow was still a little furrowed – a residue of the run of loser bars we had just completed tonight.

A few moments later, my girl was rubbing my fully erect penis through my jeans, which was making a little bit of a mess in my shorts, with precum and everything. But that ain't gonna stop me. And a few minutes after that, I looked over at Spider, and he now had a second girl with a fucking smoking hot body writhing like a serpent all over him, while that other thin cutie was working his midsection. That hint of a smile had grown into a full-on grin now, and his brow was clear and spry. Good for you Spider – you worked hard tonight for this, you deserve it.

Ok, the time was right, so we each paid up and walked out of there like the winners that we were. We had run the gauntlet of bars at NEP at its historic worst, and we had come out with prizes worthy of gold. Two guys and three girls walked through the complex and into the bustling, crowded streets of Sukhumvit, the world watching, knowing full well what was in store for these happy souls tonight.

As we got into our respective taxis, I exchanged a knowing wave with Spider, and he gave me a small smile with the sharpest of eye gazes. That said it all. I thought to myself, “That lucky bastard is going to get his brains double-fucked tonight. I need to do my fair share to keep this a balanced equation.”

In my next post, I describe the hotel room activities. That will come in a while – I need to get back to work for a while.

[QUOTE=Etaoin2003] . . . you could still crawl to Bumrumgrad, one of the world's best hospitals[/QUOTE]Well it certainly has some of the best advertising, I guess, if people really think it's a world-class facility. For the clap they'll give you a jab and a few pills, B5000-6000 thank you very much. Got to pay for all that nice wall-to-wall carpeting somehow.

The STD clinic on Suk 11 is well regarded and fairly priced.

after memorable encounter with nook, wanted to test one more from aqua. (also i had some spare time on hand as it was pretty early to go clubbing. sipped couple of beers and finally picked one which was looking little old. wanted to enjoy an experienced hand on job, she was smiling and doing eye contact with me. i think her name was "mayee". lets call her m. i was completely exhausted after my session with nook, my better senses should've prevailed and moved out of aqua. but wild instincts took over and opted for this session. though m had a great body nice right sized boobies and great ass, she wouldn't match nook anywhere while it comes at smiling. it was very very "plastiky". so we got naked and got into tub, usual foam bath and everything but little bro just won't get up. may be he was getting ready for clubbing. so i asked her to do some oil massage. very reluctantly she did that and i could read some kind of disappointment on her face. (may be she believes in doing her job true to prescription).

somehow finished allotted 1. 5hrs and left the place even without tipping (in fact i was very generous with nook and tipped her handsomely). came down and got onto one of the waiting taxi outside and asked him to take me to nearest club. he took me to bossy in double quick time. paid as per the meter.!

1st look around bossy didn't impress me i didn't like the smell of the place either as they allow smoking inside. floors were awful seating arrangements were not so comfortable. 300b as cover charges for one drink. few guys hanging here and there and almost no lady patrons. got myself with a serving lady and he was very very friendly. very talkative and gave me all the reasons why i should hang around little more. couple of drinks down, the crowd was building up. lots of russians and few thai chics were standing sitting and enjoying not so great music. over all disappointed after enjoying the whole experience at cm2 yesterday night. kept on looking at different faces, spoke to couple of them and was thinking about to moving to cm2. as i was finishing the drink caught a pretty face in the crowd and moved towards her and started as usual talk. i think her name was hameena(anyways its all fake names, lets call a fake name by another fake name.!)she was tall, about 5. 7, may be around 30 and was able to make very descent conversation in english. pulled her out of noisy interior and sat outside and smoking and talking terms and conditions. she looked ok in bright lit corridor, and decided zero on her as i had no energy left to fish another. hired metre taxi and she wanted to have food. even i wanted to have some nice italian pizza, tried to explain our requirement to the taxi driver but he dropped us at a sea food restaurant. since i don't eat non vegy stuff, decided to leave the place without having food. then i explained i got some indian ready mix food at room and i can be her cook for the night. she said won't mind having indian food, and dashed straight to the room. once back in the room, made some drinks and prepared the dinner in zippy. she enjoyed the food as well i cherished feeding her the same. she was more towards the quiter type girl (i think she has something else going on her mind, may be thinking about her family back home). then i played some indian music on youtube and she started dancing and she kind of likes indian music(this fact is common for all ruskies i met this trip, i plyed it to my advantage. more i had a pic of me with srk helped a lot. lol). nearly 3 in the morning and she got a call from her friend saying she has no money for taxi and donnno what to do. like a generous king, i said aske her come over will pay for the taxi. though her friend was pretty, i coud make out she has drunk more than she cud handle. so paid for her taxi also some more money and sent her back.

came back to room, both of us took bath. she had a good pair of boobs, not to big not too small, not saggy, not too firm. liked the same and standing we were moving to some slow music and enjoying each others body. nearly 30 mins slow movement on floor, we proceeded to bed. we kissed, ate each other, hugged each other and were rolling in the bed for nearly one hour. finally wore condom and started mishy. then moved to doggy. then changed to she on top. all along she was more mechanical than erotic. may be after 15 mins or so i was done. cleaned ourselves, by the time i cud get sleep, i was seeing some daylight peeping thru my window. not a very great encounter but all the while very satisfying. paid her dues in the morning around 10 with some taxi changes and slept back as i my body was totally drained off after a very very very long day at los.

so kind of mixed bag day at los. had one of life time experience with nook, disastrous 2nd session and average time with rusky. i know i was spending money as if it grows in my backyard tree but who cares when you are in los for the 1st time.! again thank you los, i'm happy.

[quote=pahllus maximus]some research for my bbbj plans.[/quote]

about safe bbbj's, the last girl i had at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s told me not to worry, because they get tested every three months!

"but maybe customer not check .."
"yeh! no goot for laddee!"

[QUOTE=Jerboa]I have heard talk about the SK bars, are they worth going to as a farang?[/QUOTE]

There's been a number of reports on the forum about them, it would be cool if you could review them and ask more informed questions.

Very shortly, I'll say that it can be a frustrating experience, and that I've encountered more fucked-up girls there than in the farang places, as in self-scarring, or with facial sores. The last one I did there seemed OK in the club, but turned out to be drunk enough to pass out during sex. I left her out cold in the short-time room. The guy at the desk had also passed out. These were really crummy rooms and I very nearly got scalded in the shower, go to Suparb or Pluem Dee instead (search the forum).

That said, there are pretty girls if you look around.

Kumbu, thank you for your reports - they are informative, well written and have a sense of humour.

I will definately be using them for guidance when I visit Thailand in January.

[QUOTE=Callypso King]In one of my recent trips came across an expat and he mentioned about a book named Thai Girls Revealed. He shared some fascinating stories as how he unearthed a huge gold mine of crazy sex lovers in Thailand..Just went through their website and although it looks appealing just thought of getting a first hand review from the members and seniors of Thailand.

The website reads "Expatriate Reveals The SHOCKING REALITY Behind The Thai Bar Girl Culture!"

[url]http://bit.ly/ddbLTU[/url]

Any views?[/QUOTE]
You should put this in Classified Ad where it belongs.

[QUOTE=Spider916]Checked out SK a few times even if it's very far from where my hotel is. My Thai is only very basic so I had difficulties communicating even though in most paces they have usually one mamsan or waitress who speaks ok English. I did not think that the girls where any better than SC or NEP. The cutie I spoke to did not want to go to my hotel as it was too far and proposed some short-time place nearby but when I saw that horrible room, I just gave her a tip and left to SC. No way I would have undressed in that fleapit.[/QUOTE]

I have been to this area many times with friends.....it is actually Thanon Sutthisan.....where all the lady bars are. My friends are mostly Thai and I can speak very passable Thai at this point.......but this is still really not a great place to get girls from for the average farang. You are faced with the "Thai style" mongering where they sit b.s.'ing for hours on end, eating food and generally being sociable with each other and the girls.....and of course, the girls are getting paid for being there...so b. s. on. The Thai guys rarely pick one of the girls to leave with.....it is a different style/culture. I honestly think they masturbate and save the money.... or fuck their girlfriends/wives and fantasize about the girls in the bar.

I have made a few picks from these night clubs.......they were very nice to me and a few were great sex partners.....but they know that I am connected to the Thai guys, so I think that is why problems have not arisen.

Generally, I would steer clear of this area as there are much better venues with similar pricing.

Last night, after a late afternoon appointment, I found myself on Sukhumvit Road at about 6 pm with nothing much to do for the evening. So...

I started with a two-hour Thai massage at Friends Barber and Massage on Soi 19. Good massage from a petite woman named Eve. No offer of anything other than the massage which was fine by me. Last time I was there I had an aroma massage from the famous "barber" Khun Anne. She finished the massage with one of the best HJs I've had in Bangkok (honestly, better than I can do myself ;)). She was not there last night, or I would have asked for a repeat performance. Definitely recommend her, not for her meaty girl mature looks, but her well-honed erotic pole polishing skills.

After the massage, I hoofed it over to Soi Cowboy for a burger at the Old Dutch Inn, and a stop in Suzie Wong's to see my favorite go-go girl, Nuan. It was quiet in SW's, and the dancer selection was looking very poor. Seems that all Thai just girls eat too much when they are not sleeping or watching TV.

The petite, topless Nuan, sweetie that she is, kept me company for awhile bouncing on my knee with a big smile. I bought her a drink, watched her dance a few rounds, tipped her, and left. Too bad Nuan will only go short time as she's a first rate Isaan tiger in the sack. Having spent a lot of time in Bangkok, I just don't like the same old rushed PSE much anymore. Rather than wander around the 'Boy spending money drinking, I walked over to the MRT to catch the train back to Silom where I live.

Next stop was the Safari Bar. Again, it was very quiet in the club. My regular gal (and friend), the uber-nasty Khun Nam, was wrapped around some guy, but she did manage a [i]wai[/i] from behind his back. Last time I saw her she told me she was getting tired of the old "shower, boom-boom, shower" routine. But tonight, that famous Thai bargirl smile was on display once again!

A pretty gal, Khun Dar, came over to say hello and sit with me in between her dance turns. As much as I tried to engage her, (she looked very sexy while dancing), she turned out to be rather boring company. Ater a couple of drinks, I left at about midnight for a nightcap over at the Cleo Bar, next to the Star of Light. Lots of bored looking girls sitting around the bars over on Patpong 2. Not much of interest for me. After a string of terse text messages with my #1 GF, ("not come room"), I enjoyed one last G & T, and walked a few blocks home through the balmy night.

I slept well. Just another night in the [i]City of Angels...[/i]

does anyone know about the penthouse hotel limo ? it says on their site:-

executive privacy "champagne" hostess service. collection at the airport by private customized limousine 2 hostess / introductory escorts, who will meet you at the airport arrivals 2 bottles of ice cold bar champaign (sic) and cool towels to smooth your journey to pattaya......maybe a therapeutic thai massage on arrival !!! .. or .. before?!?!

and

select a movie from our cd/dvd library (two flat screen tv's) and settle down in the luxurious leather swivel chairs, complete privacy from both our driver and the outside world...cold towels to smooth away the stresses of travel in the company of our playful hostess guides, with complete privacy.


and drop off to usa (sex prison):-

"your fond farewell to thailand, lasting memories !"

anyone able comment on the playful hostess and the "therapeutic thai massage" en route ? i take it that means massage of their cervix and tonsils ?

to think of that contrasted with the old broiler hens known as flight attendants on united airlines ?

we need "nana plaza airlines" to while the time away over the pacific.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]So this girl was about as disinterested in customers as I have ever seen. I mean, there was just nothing coming from her – her super-pretty eyes were focused off in the distance except when spoken directly to. Her body language spoke a single phrase, loud and clear: “Fuck Off.” This is why the limp-dicked guy had not gotten anywhere, and it was pretty obvious that this was not going to go anywhere with David either. He did his best, but he was swimming against a pretty strong current. This girl was clearly not in the mood, and despite David being a charming muther-fucker, nothing was going to happen. 5 minutes later, David cut her loose and tossed this starfish back into the ocean for her to flit off into whatever oblivious current she wished to. Good choice David.[/QUOTE]

You will meet girls like this In some gogo bars, they are so disinterested that you wonder how they make any money, If you guys are caucasian, maybe she only goes with khun yippon.

[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]Does anyone know about the Penthouse Hotel Limo ? It says on their site:-

Executive Privacy "Champagne" Hostess Service. .[/QUOTE]

It costs 16,500 Baht - holy shit! Too rich for my blood! I'd rather save 15K, and spend it a half dozen girls, that I choose!

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]It costs 16,500 Baht - holy shit! Too rich for my blood! I'd rather save 15K, and spend it a half dozen girls, that I choose![/QUOTE]
can you take the car back home for that amount?

[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I have been to this area many times with friends. It is actually Thanon Sutthisan. Where all the lady bars are. My friends are mostly Thai and I can speak very passable Thai at this point. But this is still really not a great place to get girls from for the average farang. You are faced with the "Thai style" mongering where they sit b. S. 'ing for hours on end, eating food and generally being sociable with each other and the girls. And of course, the girls are getting paid for being there. So b. S. On. The Thai guys rarely pick one of the girls to leave with. It is a different style/culture. I honestly think they masturbate and save the money. Or fuck their girlfriends/wives and fantasize about the girls in the bar.

I have made a few picks from these night clubs. They were very nice to me and a few were great sex partners. But they know that I am connected to the Thai guys, so I think that is why problems have not arisen.

Generally, I would steer clear of this area as there are much better venues with similar pricing.[/QUOTE]Care to share those venues? Hope you don't refer nana and cowboy. Because those are higher priced and lower quality than sutthisan in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Datebayo]Care to share those venues? Hope you don't refer nana and cowboy. Because those are higher priced and lower quality than sutthisan in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I think one of the lower cost Ap Op Nuat places is a much better venue for a farang when compared to Sutthisan. If you want to talk to the girls for long periods of time (speaking Thai for the most part), pay them for this honour, wine and dine them.....then pay them for take out......then Sutthisan. If you want to talk a little to test the waters, have a drink and maybe some food depending on the place....the Soapy seems better to me. Also, the Soapy girls are much more used to farang style fucking/sucking and other requests. Thai guys (generally) are not exploring the outer fringes of the sex scene from my conversations with them and the girls who are dedicated to servicing mostly Thai guys do not really appreciate farang wishes (of course "generally"). You might even be unlucky enough to get "you too big" back in the room before the action even starts....and don't forget, at Sutthisan many of the places want the whole fee up front, leaving the girl out of the transaction. If you have a problem in the room, you are not facing a bad "bar fine" situation, but a total fee situation.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]You will meet girls like this In some gogo bars, they are so disinterested that you wonder how they make any money, If you guys are caucasian, maybe she only goes with khun yippon.[/QUOTE]Indeed. 5-5-5 is the mantra of the day, and to be honest, I don't blame the girls. We falang are a pretty mixed bunch. Some of us are cool characters, but others - not so much. Consider that drunken slob I saw in Rainbow 1, reported on a few days ago. He was a fucking mess. If you were a woman, and were being offered more money from a cleaner, more respectful, well-dressed gentleman from Japan, which would you choose?

I report on another case of bad behavior in my next-to-next report, a guy in Sheeba's at Soi Cowboy. An embarrassment to all men, IMHO. And if you are white and in your 40s, you should be angry as hell at the kind of behavior I will describe to you.

when we got into the room, we made out for 10 minutes or so, and then we talked for another 10 minutes. she asked me why my computer is always on, and why there is a video and slr camera on the desk all the time. i told her it's because i have a very bad memory and i need to take photos of everything so i remember. i asked her if it would be ok to take photos, and to make video of us as we had sex. she laughed, and then jokingly said 'suuuure, up to you.' this was clearly a joke, but...

this time we showered together, me washing out her cracks pretty well, and she washing out my butt crack again, with intentions to do some tongue probing. i also spent time washing her legs and feet, which was a genuine pleasure. while her hands are beautiful, her feet are less so. well, they're not ugly, but she had black polish on, which is just a losing proposition in my book. i have a theory that such polish is used to hide things, like fungus or yellowing nails, or whatever. but the structure of her foot was much like her hand – longish toes, well spaced, well shaped, with nice, large nails. her legs, you already know of their beauty, and of course her ass was large, round and spectacular. after i had soaped her, rinsed her repeated, and then repeated once more just for narcissistic pleasure, she dismissed me, as she had some feminine washing to do (with her little bottle of feminine wash). so i walked into the bedroom and started puttering around aimlessly.

i was reminded of that very first time i ever walked in to a house of ill repute, back when i was a tender 19 years of age. as i waited for the lady of my choosing to arrive in the room, i found myself puttering aimlessly, fidgeting with the various knick-knacks in the room, trying to distract my mind from freaking out about what was to come. the fact that i am now two decades more experienced does not seem to have changed my behavior in the slightest.

as i fidgeted, i'm not sure what came over me, but my video camera was sitting on the desk, and so i just hit the record button and came back to the bed. hmm, is kumbu about to be naughty?

she came in and jumped into bed and we started to fool around immediately. i was keenly aware that we were under the sheets, and so the camera was not catching anything of this. what's the point? so i asked her to do me a favor.

waitress: what?
kumbu: can you stand up for me?
waitress: stand? what?
kumbu: i want to see your beautiful body. can you stand up for me?

she unabashedly stood up for me, giving my camera a full ass-legs view of her. she then started doing a little writhing for the camera (unbeknownst to her, of course), and then she turned around and showed the other side. damn, this is not right – a secret camera is not really my style, but it was totally getting me off.

i was raised right, or so i like to tell myself, and so i couldn't go through with it. i could either fess up and potentially freak her out, or...

i said to her “can i use video camera, seriously?” she realized i was not joking and said she does not want things on the internet, especially her pussy and her breasts. so i told her that (i) we would leave the camera on the desk (thereby minimizing the chance of her pussy being shown on camera), and (ii) i would never release the video. she crooked her pinky, and i took it with mine. she did not even ask for any extra cash, which she easily could have done.

so i got up and pretended to fiddle and foddle with the camera, and then set it down in the very same spot. i motioned her to the foot of the bed, and right before the camera, i had her kneel and give me a bbbj. she was a little nervous about it, but i told her to forget about the camera and focus on me instead. she chuckled at that little tactic, and agreed.

she gave me quite a sloppy bbbj, although it wasn't superb or professional in any way. but not bad. i thought about unloading on her face for the money shot, but decided against it. instead, we did some serious daty and rim-jobbing for around 20 minutes (none of which was terribly interesting on tape afterwards). at one point, she was kneeled down revealing all her glorious girl-parts, and i was double fingering her pussy while my thumb was ass-poking her. i slowly pressed my fingers and thumb together so that my thumb could feel my two fingers through the wall that separates the vagina from the rectum. female biology – it's pretty amazing. she let me stretch things out gently, by me opening up my two fingers to make a scissors kind of hand shape. as i did that, my thumb went into her ass all the way down to the knuckle. it was tough going getting it in all the way, but she slowly relaxed and there i was. i slowly pulled all digits out of her, leaving her with a double gape – something i have never done before.

the odor was definitely there – a faint, musky, human smell. but it was certainly not like opening the door to a public restroom in mexico. no, while the odor was there, it was really a residual smell, more like the new-car smell – it isn't really something you can put your finger on, but it is real, and quite delightful.

i gazed down at my masterpiece, and admired the symmetrical lines and vibrant colors. the inside of her pussy was a sharp, intense pink color, like ripe grapefruit. the clit, hood and lips were a darker hue, although not much darker. the taint was a deep, full red color, kind of like watermelon, and her ass was a lighter brownish color, a little like lightly tanned leather. she had little hairs around her asshole, which didn't bother me at all. her ass cheeks fell away from the ass elegantly, leaving behind a visual feast that would destroy cities, stop a tornado in its tracks, obliterate a man's soul in an instant, neutralize a nuclear explosion. christians believe we were made in god's image, and that's true, but it is this image we're talking about. the face that launched a thousand ships? fuck that, it wasn't helen's face, it was exactly this view right here which launched a thousand ships – her kneeled-over, open-ass, open-vagina exposition to her lover.

looking down at the open ass gape, i wondered what is wrong with me. i have wondered this many times: why do i enjoy sticking parts of my body into women's asses? it's bizarre behavior really, if you think about it logically. is it the taboo of it? is it the forbidden fruit syndrome? i don't think so: homosexuality is a forbidden fruit, but that fruit is insipid to me. i have walked in to some of those lady boy bars at nep, and much to my surprise, i get absolutely nothing from them. i mean, not even a little bit of a twinge. but that is a totally forbidden fruit and a major-league taboo, so i don't think that is it. but there i was, kneeling, looking down at a gaping vagina and a gaping asshole, and for whatever reason, the asshole held more interest to me.

i tried to look inside (i can't believe i am typing this!), just to see what was inside there. i felt like a monkey at an ant hill, peering in very gingerly wondering if the hole would provide any providence. i bobbed my head this way and that, trying to angle her ass so the light would shine directly in. but the hole was slowly closing, as her sphincter began to tighten up. shit (no pun intended), i have to get a good look before the door closes! i managed to get her ass angled just right and caught a few glimpses of the promised land beyond.

i felt like brigham young, the founder of the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints (an off-shoot of mormonism), as he reached the peak of the rockies and looked down at the bountiful paradise beneath him. and like him, i said to myself, “i shall make this my home. and herein i shall live, i shall work, and i shall bugger all and sundry that comes my way. and if we need to establish a social and religious way for me to bugger 10 women at a time, so be it.”

i asked her if she does toot, and she took a moment to explain the geometrical challenges of ass sex. there is an incompatibility between the diameter of her hole and the general girth of most falang's pokers. so given the size of little kumbu and the minimal aperture of her asshole, she said it ain't gonna happen. ok, ok, i get it: square peg, round hole kind of thing. but she was happy to let me finger her ass, since she not only douched but enemaed herself in the shower. how considerate was that? it also explained the new car smell i was talking about earlier.

and so we went back to the girl-part playing. this must have continued for a further 5 minutes before the trojan emerged, and fully sheathed, little kumbu went to work. cue the bonanza theme song.

it was funny, but the camera was my audience, and so this time i felt like i was actually performing. it was just so weird doing it for the sake of visual effect – i felt myself doing things that you see in porno movies, which i always thought were so damned cheesy, but i can now see why it is done. you know, certain body positions, like leaning back excessively, or entering from the side (to give the camera a good view). we tried a variety of positions, some of which worked, some of which did not.

somewhere in the middle of this series of positions, we went into missionary, but she did not do the traditional missionary. instead, she forced her legs up over her head and put them almost behind her head, flat against the bed. she was so flexible, she was almost flat as a pancake. i'm amazed i did not notice this the last time i was with her, but it was great!

so anyway, i was getting close, so of course i wanted to end in doggie, so i motioned her to move to the foot of the bed (closer to the camera), and we did it on this little cushioned dresser thingy that sits at the foot of the bed (it's like a little bench with a cushion which you're supposed to sit on as you dress, i suppose).

reaching the peak of the crescendo, climax approaches, kumbu groans excessively like the porn star that he is not, collapses onto her in a fit of relief and regret, whimpering like the feeble man that he finds himself. she reaches around and starts caressing his arms and shoulders, soothing him, praising him for his valiant battling, consoling him for his ultimate defeat. she whispers his name, tells him how well he did, how she was grateful. hush, hush, little kumbu, you are safe now. we maintain our position for a few moments, and then the clean-up operation begins.

so we showered individually, and when i got out i was damned tired. i had not slept properly in weeks, and working all day and playing all night is just damned crazy. it starts to affect your perception of reality, and to warp your grasp on normality. i needed sleep, this much i knew, and given that i had just ejaculated, my fatigue was compounded.

but girlie wanted to talk.

look, before you judge me, i like pillow talk, i really do. i think you learn so much about these girls after the act – things that you would never hear at any other time. this is because they have just performed their act, and they can now be honest with you. they can now tell you about things unrelated to the sex industry, or things that you may not want to know before hand. so usually, i look forward to these moments, i savor them, i cherish them. but not tonight – i was beat, and i needed the pillow more than the pillow talk.

but girlie, sweet as she is, had a lot to say for herself. she was very eager to explain various aspects of her life. how she tells her mama/papa that she works at a bar, and she is a waitress, but that she never goes with customers. and this is one reason why a girl with such a smoking hot body does not strip and dance. she told me about her frustrations with her english skills, and how she has two teach-yourself packages at home, which don't seem to work. she told me about her childhood, and how she was told by everyone that she would not amount to anything in life except a sex object, and she was determined to bust that mold. through the haze of fatigue, i vaguely remember smiling at the irony of that statement. there were many, many such fascinating bits of information pouring from the sweet heart's mouth, but kumbu being the selfish, fatigued individual that he is, could not muster the responses that her tender candor deserved.

she eventually noticed that my eyes were unfocused, and she began her slow movement towards the door. in all, after the showers, it took an hour and a half for her to leave. and when she did, she gave me a sweet, barely-open-mouthed kiss, followed by a tight hug that lasted a full 20 seconds, and then she turned around and walked out the door.

kumbu, spent, nevertheless regretted not giving her the feedback and validation that she seemed to be craving. i wish i could have done that for her, but you can't fight biology. i walked back to the bed, collapsed and did not even turn off the camera.

for the inevitable requests for the video, i would ask you not to waste your time.

We always dream about a 10/10 gorgeous while shaking ourself.

So despite all actions I had, wanted more of meat. No Thai or Russians. SY had suggested a escort website([url]http://www.Vipmodel5.com/[/url]), (user I'd. VIP, pwd. VIP), called up, spoke to Anna, choose (as per her guidance) a Colombian hooker by the name Laura. She described her and that matched with my requirements to the dot.

Laura came exactly the time Anna committed and I was on cloud nine when I answered the door bell. Standing tall, nearly 6', lovely popping chest, and long never ending legs, great looking face but saw some cunning smile (or signal) on her lips.

I should have listened to my 6th sense and paid taxi fare and sent her back. But little AK took over the decision making and let her come in. As per the T&C paid her dues upfront.

As expected the drama started now. She asked me to take Bath, for which I said I just finished the same. Then I asked her to do the same. She went inside bathroom and I donno what she did inside. Absolutely mechanical so far. She came out undressed and laid down on bed and asked me to come over. Grrrrrr. So very reluctantly started playing with her boobies, and found out they are man made fakes. No kissing no playfulness total dead star fish.

She did some kind of CBJ if one can call that, and started cow girl action. After a while we moved onto mishy and I did finish in extra quick time.

Completed one more objective of meeting a 10/10 while visiting LOS and learned my lessons hard.

Looks can be very deceptive and money can not always buy a good sex.

10K BHT for next to nothing sex was a shocker and the perception about escort services proved correct. One of the low-lights of LOS.

[QUOTE=Dhardesh]Last year I enjoyed a really good session at Star of Light. I used to visit this place late at night, but that morning I was feeling particularly frisky and wanted to wet my whistle. So I took the BTS to Sala Daeng and walked towards P(h)at pong. It was 9:30 in the morning and I had read on the forum that SOL opened early. I had to get used to the directions, because normally I only enter this part of town during the night. And now it was completely different. No touts to pull you in, no girls to ask you annoying questions. Just some stray dogs wandering about. Everything was closed and a serene peace was all around me. I almost felt guilty of disturbing this scenery with my need to get some spicy action. But here I was, a guy with needs and a place that was open and ready to serve me.

I walked in, and there was no-one except one girl that was just changing into her working costume. She asked me if I wanted a drink. And I told her that I would like to have some company. Just as my pants dropped to the floor, three more girls walked in and caught us in the act. The first girl had my member deep in her mouth and a lot of saliva was dripping down my legs to the floor. One girl asked to join us and I agreed. So she dropped on her knees and both girls took turns sucking on my c*ck.

I wanted to taste some juices, too. So I ordered a third girl to come and take her skirt off. She happily served me with a nice view of her sweet p*ssy and presented it to me by standing on the sofa. I licked her thick outer lips and parted her lips with my tongue. I sucked her flesh into my mouth and rapidly flicked her clit with my tongue. Meanwhile a fourth girl joined to give me head and now three girls were taking turns sucking the life out of me. I was in heaven. With so much excitement around me I did not last for more than 30 minutes. I ordered them not to use any hands. Only their mouth was allowed. I knew that if they would use their hands it would be over much quicker. So everytime their hands approached my member, I would wield them off. I switched girls and had another juicy set up lips to lick. Finally I erupted with a big moan and a mouthful of semen. One big swallow followed by some mouthwater was all it took for the girl to get her first shot of white goo.

I paid up and thanked the girls for the wonderful experience. Another fine day in sin city was about to begin.

D.[/QUOTE]Wow, nice story. You must be a writer?

I'm thinking of visiting Bangkok for the first time in November this year. Do you have any tips for me?

Thanks CB

[QUOTE=Kumbu]Indeed. 5-5-5 is the mantra of the day, and to be honest, I don't blame the girls. We falang are a pretty mixed bunch. Some of us are cool characters, but others - not so much. Consider that drunken slob I saw in Rainbow 1, reported on a few days ago. He was a fucking mess. If you were a woman, and were being offered more money from a cleaner, more respectful, well-dressed gentleman from Japan, which would you choose?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should sweet-talk a yippon-hunter to go with you some night and listen to the post-coitus stories about the crazy shit some of those guys want.

Loved the story about the waitress, are you in town now?

[QUOTE=NoCBJ4Me]It costs 16,500 Baht - holy shit! Too rich for my blood! I'd rather save 15K, and spend it a half dozen girls, that I choose![/QUOTE]Are the two girls included in this price? If not , you would be at about 20K (plus 2 x ST 1500-2000). And if yes , can you choose from Kitten Club line-up on the web side?

[QUOTE=Datebayo]Care to share those venues? Hope you don't refer nana and cowboy. Because those are higher priced and lower quality than sutthisan in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

In your dreams. There are probably more girls in say just Rawhide, Long Gun and Baccara than in all the Sutthisan gogos combined. And the 19 or 20 year olds in Sutthisan are exactly as 19 or 20 year old as the ones in Nana/Cowboy.

In say Nana I will usually get away with 2300 or 2400 for a shorttime, everything included. In Sutthisan it would be say 1500 (bar), 160 (big beer, cheapest choice), 20 (ice), 20 (cold towel), 100 (fucking fruits you were too worn down to refuse), 35 taxi to Pluem Dee which is 280 (because the 150 Suparb is really a bit depressing, and the 300 rip-off place is worse). You can't really skip the beer because there are mostly only 3 or 5 girls dancing at once, they don't get naked for ages, and the others are skulking in dark corners, so you have to stake out a place for a while. And in the meantime you have to fend off about 12 girls dragged up to you by the papasan who wants them to sit with you, and often as not they'll refuse to do more than hold hands. Especially the cute ones. And as soon as they're sitting with you, you're clocking up another 100++ every 40 minutes or so, and good luck figuring out all the scribbled bits of paper that make up your bill.

It's a interesting side trip, but not a clear win over Nana/Cowboy on any count, however much I'd like it to be.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]As I fidgeted, I'm not sure what came over me, but my video camera was sitting on the desk, and so I just hit the record button and came back to the bed. Hmm, is Kumbu about to be naughty?[/QUOTE]I remember doing a similar thing a year ago, when I took a secret video of a particularly hot young lady. I had to turn the camera on just before she came out of the shower, so there a few minutes of fooling around before the main action, which did film remarkably well :). But then at the end she insisted I had the first shower, so I had to leave the camera running...

I staggered off to the shower barely able to walk, and as soon as the door was closed she transformed instantly from a hot slinky sexy female to a girl slobbing down on the bed to watch TV, as if the last half hour hadn't happened... Hard to explain, but I was kind of hoping she would lie on the bed staring at the ceiling with a dreamy smile on her face, gently caressing her breasts... But at least she didn't pick up her phone to chat to her boyfriend!

my 3rd trip to thailand and bangkok in one week.

going to be in bkk for 6 days. made a mistake and booked grand millenium for the duration via wotif (the mystery deal). quite costly at this time of year, apparently high season. i should have instead stayed at different hotels every 2 days just to check them out plus there is an additional cost of 500baht per day for internet connection for grand millenium as per forum info. walking distance to soi cowboy may not be such a big plus point. hopefully can get some kind of upgrade, thought reading the forum seems to indicate this is no longer possible. i have been spoiled by the size of the pattaya hotels and prefer a 1 bedroom these days. let's the wg sleep while i read, watch, surf, think, eat etc in another room but in bkk it is too costly to do that. tried to cancel this and wanted to try the brand new shama (opening 1st of october and pretty cheap opening rates for the size on wotif) but no luck.

i have done the tourist bit in bkk before and on my second trip i found the daytime hours quite boring. this time based on the forum i plan to visit tulip, annie's, mango and snow white. well trodden path in the forum but not by me. comments like, "we don't go to tulip's for the looks but the service" are not particularly encouraging but i have time to kill in the daylight hours so will of course try and form my own opinion.

is there any other recommendations of places to visit for daytime action? i don't like soapies (tried once before and did not think much of it, plus only 1 shot) so natatree is not on the list and tried eden before but not my thing ( and star of light, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] etc also of no interest to me) and have been in bier garten. any place else?

at night i plan to check out climax but from reading the forums, go-go's close around 1am these days. i do not remember this was the case previously. the initial plan was to visit climax circa 1am and if not finding anything there just head to the go-go's. being a short stay, it is imperative/waste if i do not get a girl everyday. however this plan does not seem possible as climax get's crowded around 1am according to the forum and these days the go-go's close at 1am. is this correct?

i will be in bkk from the 2nd to the 6th of october. if anyone is also visiting during that time, don't mind hooking up in soi cowbay for a beer. pm me.

any comments and suggestions are welcome.

[QUOTE=Must Stop]Going to be in BKK for 6 days. Made a mistake and booked Grand Millenium for the duration via Wotif (the mystery deal).

Any comments and suggestions are welcome.[/QUOTE]You can make the most of it though.

The managers at the Grand Millennium are real wheeler dealers, and they love to shake & bake to make guests happy. You are staying for a lot of nights, push for the best deal you can but make sure that you go into the upgrade thing with a full clip. Remember, it's a business class hotel, try to LOOK like you belong there. (TIT, of course it's important.)

OK:

#1. Join the [url=http://www.mncloyalty.com/]M&C Loyalty Club[/url] and give the front desk staff your number as soon as you begin the check-in process.

#2. Ask for a full free upgrade (including Internet) to Grand Deluxe because you are staying so many nights.

#3. If they turn you down for the free upgrade, go for the 300. 500 Baht upgrade with free Internet.

#4. Try to get a breakfast discount. The breakfast isn't really all that special (except for Sunday brunch,) but it's a good place to open for a bargaining session.

#5. If, in the end, you just end up taking the standard Deluxe: After going up to your room try to find something to complain about, stained carpets, badly treated furniture, etc. This can also lead to freebies or some sort of upgrade deal. It's a big hotel, there are lots of rooms, the manager will consider the fact that you might complain to the corporate offices (a real no-no for week stay guests. It IS a 5 star rated hotel after all.)

Sure, I know it all sounds like a game, and yes it is, but you may actually end up enjoying your time there. Location, location, location. In Bangkok, anything that makes things easier to get to someplace and back is a big bonus. And, anything that makes it easier for you to get chicks back to your place is an even bigger bonus. Grand Millennium is just a 3 minute walk from Soi Cowboy, at 1 am this is a HUGE bonus.

Alright. Fuck it, the beds are terrific and the chicks all love the GM like crazy. So don't beat yourself up on your stay, just make the most of it..

Also, for a good time, try oilies. Plenty of reports on the boards. There are lots of them in the immediate GM area.

Good luck, and have fun with it.

[QUOTE=Must Stop]My 3rd trip to Thailand and Bangkok in one week.
prefer a 1 bedroom these days.[/QUOTE]

Grande Centrepoint has 1 bedroom units, slightly more than B$3000 includes bkft and free internet; Ratchadamri, in a soi btw Grand Hyatt and Four Seasons. Very GFE.

[QUOTE=Must Stop]Is there any other recommendations of places to visit for daytime action?[/QUOTE]

If daytime starts at noon, do try akane, mango, tulips, annies. Most are 2+ pops, some also offer outcall so you can arrange room service for lunchtime -- pay slight premium over incall. Email them now and tell them what you're looking for....Mango and Annies are good with email or pm replies. I've already made my arrangements!

[QUOTE=Must Stop]I will be in BKK from the 2nd to the 6th of October. if anyone is also visiting during that time, don't mind hooking up in Soi Cowbay for a beer. PM me.
[/QUOTE]If you want to hook up, stop at Livingstone's Lodge - usually someone from ISG around, pm ahead of time.

Man that site is full of porn pics lifted from the internet. Sorry you didnt notice. Maybe you should browse some more porn sites? :-)





[QUOTE=Cometoak]We always dream about a 10/10 gorgeous while shaking ourself.

So despite all actions I had, wanted more of meat. No Thai or Russians. SY had suggested a escort website([url]http://www.Vipmodel5.com/[/url]), (user I'd. VIP, pwd. VIP), called up, spoke to Anna, choose (as per her guidance) a Colombian hooker by the name Laura. She described her and that matched with my requirements to the dot.

Laura came exactly the time Anna committed and I was on cloud nine when I answered the door bell. Standing tall, nearly 6', lovely popping chest, and long never ending legs, great looking face but saw some cunning smile (or signal) on her lips.

I should have listened to my 6th sense and paid taxi fare and sent her back. But little AK took over the decision making and let her come in. As per the T&C paid her dues upfront.

As expected the drama started now. She asked me to take Bath, for which I said I just finished the same. Then I asked her to do the same. She went inside bathroom and I donno what she did inside. Absolutely mechanical so far. She came out undressed and laid down on bed and asked me to come over. Grrrrrr. So very reluctantly started playing with her boobies, and found out they are man made fakes. No kissing no playfulness total dead star fish.

She did some kind of CBJ if one can call that, and started cow girl action. After a while we moved onto mishy and I did finish in extra quick time.

Completed one more objective of meeting a 10/10 while visiting LOS and learned my lessons hard.

Looks can be very deceptive and money can not always buy a good sex.

10K BHT for next to nothing sex was a shocker and the perception about escort services proved correct. One of the low-lights of LOS.[/QUOTE]

Kumbu my Bro,

you wrote some great stories before but this one is absolutely brilliant.

Keep it up





[QUOTE=Kumbu]When we got into the room, we made out for 10 minutes or so, and then we talked for another 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]

We Whities got to face the facts that we are not the most desirable customers anymore for a lot of Thai WG. Those are Thai-Chinese, Singgies, Honkies, Yippons, Korean etc.

I sometimes go out with an 35 year old American buddy of Korean ancestry. That guy is as American as you can be. Hard-core Texan-republican, accent included. When I am with him, all the girls will swarm to him because he apparently looks somewhat similar to a Korean boy-band singer (without the gay makup and hairdo) and will barely acknowledge me.

Still there is plenty enough of fun for all us non-asians.


[QUOTE=Kumbu]Indeed. 5-5-5 is the mantra of the day, and to be honest, I don't blame the girls. We falang are a pretty mixed bunch. Some of us are cool characters, but others - not so much. Consider that drunken slob I saw in Rainbow 1, reported on a few days ago. He was a fucking mess. If you were a woman, and were being offered more money from a cleaner, more respectful, well-dressed gentleman from Japan, which would you choose?

I report on another case of bad behavior in my next-to-next report, a guy in Sheeba's at Soi Cowboy. An embarrassment to all men, IMHO. And if you are white and in your 40s, you should be angry as hell at the kind of behavior I will describe to you.[/QUOTE]

Gogos close around 2, whereas Climax or Nana Liquid or Bossy will not get busy until around 1. So I suggest you invert your schedule. Try the Gogos first and if you dont find anything hit Climax or the other places.



[QUOTE=
previously. The initial plan was to visit Climax circa 1am and if not finding anything there just head to the Go-go's. Being a short stay, it is imperative/waste if I do not get a girl everyday. However this plan does not seem possible as Climax get's crowded around 1am according to the forum and these days the go-go's close at 1am. Is this correct?

I will be in BKK from the 2nd to the 6th of October. if anyone is also visiting during that time, don't mind hooking up in Soi Cowbay for a beer. PM me.

Any comments and suggestions are welcome.[/QUOTE]

on monday i called an old fling from pattaya to come join me for a few days. on the recommendation of some of you isg members, i decided i needed some more structured, predictable sex before i leave. this girl is fantastic in bed, as far as i am concerned. actually, she does not provide top quality services, but she has two things that make her totally unique in my book. first, she has the smokingest hot body of any gogo dancer i have ever seen. period. i mean, she is built absolutely perfectly for me. the only down side to her body is that her legs are slightly slenderer than i prefer (although still very nice), but everything else on her more than makes up for it.

she has large breasts, far larger than her slender frame deserves. her waist is small and tight, almost hard – it's quite remarkable. but more importantly, that tiny little waist opens up into a wide set of hips that harbor the grandest of asses – without a doubt, the best ass i have ever seen. i shit you not guys, it is an ass for ass lovers – built to perfection. it is large, but not flabby. it is round, on wide hips, and the crack extends all the way up to the small of her back (none of this half-crack crap you get with many asian women). it is the perfect size, shape and texture. it hides a beautiful asshole, something that i find hard justifying - how does an asshole ever qualify to be called 'beautiful'? but really, this one is superbly made - great shape, great crinkling, great coloring, and great taste and odor. yum. i mean, yuk. no, i mean yum.

the second thing she has which i find irresistible, quite fortunately, is an ass fetish. she loves having her ass licked out, and she enjoys all manner of anal probing and stimulation. she particularly enjoys daty combined with rimming, which is a tough order to perform night in and night out, but one that ass-fetished kumbu provides like the obedient servant that he is. i discovered her in may, and went with her several times in pattaya, and we clicked quite well. so time for old kumbu to sample the ass flavor again.

i made the mistake of telling her that i had just arrived, and i wanted to see her. i would pay her bf for two days, pay her taxi to bkk both ways, and pay her lt fee for two days if she came up and stayed with me. when i got back from work on monday afternoon, there she was, wearing a long dress hiding every one of her attributes. coy, i like that.

i got her into the bedroom and we just started to make out like long lost lovers. she had just got done with a long 2 hour taxi ride, and so she was not the freshest smelling, but to my surprise, her odor was delectable. i couldn't stop inhaling her smell, it was just fantastic – an aphrodisiac of the stratospheric kind.

we eventually did shower, and then the fun really began. i went down for daty, during which i reached my tongue around for some rimming. all was going according to plan at this point. she eventually came, much like i had experienced with her in may on many occasions. she scampered to the bathroom afterwards to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and shower, and then returned feeling all sensitive. so we chatted for 20 minutes and then she went down on me.

her bbbj was good, although not spectacular. it was wet, very, very wet, and slow and measured. she had no problem sucking and licking my balls, but overall her skills were...acceptable. i pulled back before the orgasm, popped on a trojan and in it went like a well-oiled sword. and i know she had not used any lube, which made me feel pretty good about myself.

so we had sex in a variety of positions, and eventually ended with her on her side, me entering from behind, urgently grasping those luscious ass cheeks as i orgasmed.

afterwards, we showered together, then cuddled and fell asleep.

the next day i went to work, and when i returned at 5pm, i told her i had to meet a friend for a drink. i scampered off to see spider at soi cowboy, and when i returned at 10pm, she was wailing and crying uncontrollably. huh? what? where am i?

but first, a report on our field trip to soi cowboy. no bf on this occasion, but just some observations from a guys' night out running through some of the gogo bars.

[QUOTE=Spider916]Gogos close around 2, whereas Climax or Nana Liquid or Bossy will not get busy until around 1. So I suggest you invert your schedule. Try the Gogos first and if you dont find anything hit Climax or the other places.[/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more. Gogo bars start early, even as early as 6pm (although I've never been that early). They then close around 2am or so, with the occasional cop crack down which closes them early. But barring that, you have a good 8 hours to find something. Climax gets busy around 1am, and climaxes (heh, see what I did there?) around 2:30am (maybe earlier). If you are still empty handed, I would recommend walking out of Climax onto the street, avoiding all offers for taxis or tuk-tuks, and get into a metered taxi - one that is just driving past on soi 11. Tell the driver to take you to Spicey. Alternatively, at that hour, you could walk down to Nana Liquid and see what there is, as it gets cracking around 2am. Spend an hour or two scouring either place, and if you are still empty handed, grab a taxi to Bossy. Bossy peaks around 4:30am-5am, so really, if you are empty handed after searching from 6pm to 5am, then perhaps you should just chalk it up to fate and call it quits. But I just can't imagine that happening. If you are sufficiently horny and sufficiently patient, you will easily get laid every night (or more often, if you so desire) while in BKK.

[QUOTE=Kumbu]- how does an asshole ever qualify to be called 'beautiful'? But really, this one is superbly made - great shape, great crinkling, great coloring, and great taste and odor.
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I love it, man. "Great Crinkling" -- that is just too funny. You truly have what Hemingway called "afición" for the cornhole.

I hope you have fun and I hope that advice we all gave you works for you (thought that crying sounds a bit troubling).

Stay horny my friend...

Uncle V

[QUOTE=Barko]You can make the most of it though.

The managers at the Grand Millennium are real wheeler dealers, and they love to shake & bake to make guests happy. You are staying for a lot of nights, push for the best deal you can but make sure that you go into the upgrade thing with a full clip. Remember, it's a business class hotel, try to LOOK like you belong there. (TIT, of course it's important.)

OK:

#1. Join the [url=http://www.mncloyalty.com/]M&C Loyalty Club[/url] and give the front desk staff your number as soon as you begin the check-in process.

#2. Ask for a full free upgrade (including Internet) to Grand Deluxe because you are staying so many nights.

#3. If they turn you down for the free upgrade, go for the 300. 500 Baht upgrade with free Internet.

#4. Try to get a breakfast discount. The breakfast isn't really all that special (except for Sunday brunch,) but it's a good place to open for a bargaining session.

#5. If, in the end, you just end up taking the standard Deluxe: After going up to your room try to find something to complain about, stained carpets, badly treated furniture, etc. This can also lead to freebies or some sort of upgrade deal. It's a big hotel, there are lots of rooms, the manager will consider the fact that you might complain to the corporate offices (a real no-no for week stay guests. It IS a 5 star rated hotel after all.)

Sure, I know it all sounds like a game, and yes it is, but you may actually end up enjoying your time there. Location, location, location. In Bangkok, anything that makes things easier to get to someplace and back is a big bonus. And, anything that makes it easier for you to get chicks back to your place is an even bigger bonus. Grand Millennium is just a 3 minute walk from Soi Cowboy, at 1 am this is a HUGE bonus.

Alright. Fuck it, the beds are terrific and the chicks all love the GM like crazy. So don't beat yourself up on your stay, just make the most of it..

Also, for a good time, try oilies. Plenty of reports on the boards. There are lots of them in the immediate GM area.

Good luck, and have fun with it.[/QUOTE]A similar plan which worked great for me in HK recently was to type up my "report" which I was ready to post on Trip Advisor.

I played the blackmail game with the Front Office Manager who I had met on a previous stay.

Trip Advisor can really ruin a hotels rep and this report was factual, with photos of the hairs on bedsheets (in a clean room), chipped glass, missing coffee sachets etc. Anyways in return for not posting, got a club floor room for the next 3 days. Sometimes players win LOL.

[quote=corne bakker]wow, nice story. you must be a writer?

i'm thinking of visiting bangkok for the first time in november this year. do you have any tips for me?

thanks cb[/quote]hi corne,

i am not a writer. actually far from it. just a simple guy that like to pay back to this forum by contributing some information about my adventures in the land of smiles. the best tip i could give you is: rtff.

but a more general set of tips would be:

determine for yourself what kind a needs you have. do you want to experience scantily clad girls gyrating on your lap and begging you for a ladydrink with the possible option for banging your brains out in either a short time or long time adventure? then visit nep or soi cowboy.

nep can be found on soi 4. take the skytrain (bts) to nana and get off on the even side. you should see the landmark hotel on your left hand side. pass this and walk into the first side street on your left. side streets of large roads are called soi. large roads are called thanon. so thanon sukhumvit, soi 4 would mean the fourth side street of the main road sukhumvit. after about 100 meters you will see a lot of different lights and open bars on your left hand side. this is nana entertainment plaza. enter it and you will see that it consist of three levels of pure erotic pleasure. on the ground level are open bars and some go go's. take the escalator (or the stairs in the back) to the first floor and you will see a lot of bars.

be careful not to step inside the wrong bar, since there are some ladyboy bars as well (casanova, cascade, obsession and temptations). ladyboys are also called katoey. check out the forum for how to spot a ladyboy (taller, nicer breasts, smaller hips, bigger hands, bigger shoulders, adams apple, stronger jawlines, deeper voice, more aggressive). unless you want to do something with lb's, of course.

there are quite a number of regular go go bars in nep that have nice looking girls and some fascinating shows. rainbow iv and angelwitch were/are good locations to visit. but be sure not to come across as a first timer. because first timers are shark bait! you will be hassled into buying a lot of ladydrinks and the girls will be all over you(r money). in the go go bars, girls will be dancing on the stages and at certain points during the evening special shows will be performed. this can be anything from lesbian shows, p*ssy acrobatics (anything that can be imagined will be stuffed into and pulled out of the tunnel most of us came out of) to body painting. go go bars work in dance shifts. girls that are not dancing are either walking around and try to entertain/hassle customers. or are just staying together and chitchat or eat food. if you do not want to talk to a girl or give her a ladydrink, just say no (or mai auw in thai). if they insist, then just repeat it again more firmly, but always keep on smiling. never appear to be upset or rude, because thai people do not like to lose face. and getting upset means to lose face. if you cannot help it and cannot control yourself anymore. then just pay up your bill and leave. but always check that you did not pay more than needed and check your change.

if you do find someone you like. then look at her directly and see if she smiles at you too. if no smile comes from the recipient side, then don't bother. the possibility of a starfish adventure are high then. you can ask the girl directly to sit with you or you can ask a waitress or the mamasan to call her over. just remember her number and refer to that when calling her over. once you have the girl next to you (or all over you.), you can buy her a ladydrink and chit chat a little bit. during the chit chat you will discover if her communication skills are good enough for you or not. most thai bargirls have limited english skills. a typical conversation would go like:

bg: sawasdee ka, me like you.

you: i like you, too. where are you from?

bg: isaan (a province in the north east of thailand)

you: what is your name?

bg: lek, poo, kung or apple (fill in your own short name)

you: how old are you?

bg: me 21 year. you?

you:. (fill in anything you want, as they do not care about your age anyway).

after this most girls are out of english skills and the extra words they know are short time 2000 baht, and long time 3000 baht (or higher depending on how money eager they are). always negotiate and start with a lesser amount than what they ask. bargaining is part of the whole p4p. ask her for the services she offers for this amount and how many times you are allowed to come. sometimes they refer to smoking as giving a bj. so if being asked if you like smoking, then point at your member and say yes! when the negotiation has ended, pay the bill + the bar fine and leave with the girl to the place you want to go. you can either go back to your hotel (if it is girl friendly) or go to a short time hotel. the bg should know where these are.

if you happen to get caught by a gold digger, then don't be surprised if she wants to eat first, go hang out with some of her friends in expensive places and get some clothing or other body ornaments. of course you are the one that has to pay for all of this. be a man and smile and tell her that you will have none of that and that you already have many girlfriends (giks) that you need to support like that. if she wants anything she has to earn it first with exceptional services. short time hotels are normally around 300 baht per hour.

you can also check out soi cowboy (side street of soi 23 on thanon sukhumvit. take the bts to asoke and walk towards the grand millenium hotel. the entry should be on your right side. you can use the mrt station to cross the road.) in soi cowboy you can visit a lot of bars that have different kinds of activities. if interested in dancers without any underwear than visit baccara. if interested in a bj on the spot, than go to afterskool. if interested in good shows then go to suzi wong.

if you are into bj's then visit either [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s (soi 8, thanon sukhumvit near bts nana) and get your rocks of for 700 baht, or visit star or light in patpong. or go to the kangaroo bar in patpong. some go go bars in soi cowboy also offer bj's but that can be a touch and go.

if the whole go go scene is not your thing, then you can check out the freelancers in a couple of places. beergarden on sukhumvit soi 7, gulliver's on sukhumvit soi 5. just check out the site from wickedtraveler for a quick overview of the different things to do.

another pleasure to indulge into are massages/soapies/oilies. check out the forum for which places to go to. again, which place to go to depends upon your desires. if you want a real masssage, then go to shops that have a sign that says traditional massage. anything with the term body massage in it, is likely to offer more than just a massage. i personally like to go to annie's as i like to order two girls to give me a full service checkup with multiple pops and lots of daty. but i also enjoy going to aviva. there are so many massage places that it is simply too hard to give a short overview of these. just rtff.

if you are into trio's or more with girls that provide three hole services, then you can also check out eden. eden is located on sukhumvit soi 7/1 close to bts nana. you can pick two or more girls and get your pornstar fantasy fulfilled there. just remember that there is a line that separates the a+ girls from the none a+ girls. if you are only interested in three hole adventures with one girl. then check out tulip massage or mango massage. these massage shops are the best nowadays into providing this kind of service.

another tip i can give you is to hook up with fellow mongers and have a good time together. i will be in bkk beginning of november. so maybe i will see you there.

happy mongering,

d

Thanks, Barko, Traveler1234, Spider916 and Kumbu for your thoughts.

I have just joined the M&C loyalty card and will try for the upgrades when I get there.

[QUOTE=Mouse1]

I remember doing a similar thing a year ago, when I took a secret video of a particularly hot young lady.

[/QUOTE]

Back in the mid-1980 in AC, tried out my new VHS video cam.

1. My white pimply ass glowed in the low light, not a pretty sight.

2. Petite girl was lost under the big white American. I was 6'3", 220 lbs and in pretty good shape. All you could see of the girl was her hands and feet, she was that small.

3. Cured my porn movie making ambitions.

Slim

I forgot to ask this, have searched the forum and looked at the separate Suvarbnabhumi airport thread but there is no info on the new rail link from the airport.

I am landing late and on my previous 2 visits I just got a cab from the airport but I understand there is now a rail link.

Researching the route ([url]http://www.bangkokairporttrain.com/time-table-route.html[/url]) the last stop on the rail link is the Phaya Thai station on the BTS (30 mins to get there and trains run about every 20 mins I think) ([url]http://www.bts.co.th/en/map.asp[/url]) ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport#Ground_transportation[/url]) . From there it is just a few stops to Asok and Grand Millenium.

Is this the fastest way or is cabbing still the best option?

To those who are light on luggage the airport rail link to Phaya Thai has apparently a promotional fare of just 15baht till the end of 2010.

Thanks

Great summary for newbies, Dhardesh. Appreciated.

[QUOTE=Must Stop]I forgot to ask this, have searched the forum and looked at the separate Suvarbnabhumi airport thread but there is no info on the new rail link from the airport.

I am landing late and on my previous 2 visits I just got a cab from the airport but I understand there is now a rail link.

Researching the route ([url]http://www.bangkokairporttrain.com/time-table-route.html[/url]) the last stop on the rail link is the Phaya Thai station on the BTS (30 mins to get there and trains run about every 20 mins I think) ([url]http://www.bts.co.th/en/map.asp[/url]) ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport#Ground_transportation[/url]) . From there it is just a few stops to Asok and Grand Millenium.

Is this the fastest way or is cabbing still the best option?

To those who are light on luggage the airport rail link to Phaya Thai has apparently a promotional fare of just 15baht till the end of 2010.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

The Rail link sounds great, but It will end up as a red herring, reason being Is from the Airport you either have to get the Express or City trains, the Express will stop at Makkasan station, problem here Is that If you got luggage you got to walk 300m or so to the MRT or catch a Taxi, If your arriving late then It will be easier to jump In a metered taxi at the Airport, I think the only time the train will make sense Is If your travelling light at rush hour.

[QUOTE=Dhardesh]Hi Corne,

Be careful not to step inside the wrong bar, since there are some ladyboy bars as well (Casanova, Cascade, Obsession and Temptations). Ladyboys are also called Katoey.

i
D[/QUOTE]

Cascade Ladyboy bar ?

I've always gone to Cascade and always I barfined girls ........

[QUOTE=Mastorr]Cascade Ladyboy bar ?

I've always gone to Cascade and always I barfined girls ........[/QUOTE]

or at least you thought so.... yes it is a LB Bar. 100%

[QUOTE=Botaki6]The bed was in the JW Mariott :-)..a wise investment of 3500+ for the room, instead of staying in a dump[/QUOTE]Botak, how did you get a room in the JW for 3500+? Rates seem to be more like 6000+.

You are probably joking, but they weren't girls!

It's 100% ladyboy bar!

[QUOTE=Mastorr]Cascade Ladyboy bar ?

I've always gone to Cascade and always I barfined girls ........[/QUOTE]

if you arrive very late at night and/or have lots of luggage, a taxi would be much quicker (less traffic congestion) and convenient. if you have very little luggage and you arrive during the daytime, the airport to city line is a good cheap option. if you're staying in the nana area, the airport to playa thai then connect with bts seems to be the best route.

here's a recent "reader's" comment about the airport to city line that was posted on the bangkok post. according to the writer, it's easier to use if you're going to the airport and less convenient for arrivals.

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i took the city line last friday and found it to be cheap (30-odd baht skytrain + 15 baht city line) and relatively timely (30 minutes from saphan taksin to phya thai and another 40 minutes to the airport). given that i left in the middle of an almighty storm, a taxi could have taken over an hour at 350 baht+, and so it was the weather that swayed my decision.

as said already, the city line trains are not built for luggage and i'd be interested to hear if the express trains do indeed have different set up with more luggage space. i also had only one light case, so did not experience the trolley issue, but that is certainly of concern for future trips when i could well be carrying a larger full case + additional laptop bag.

the only pain for me was on arrival at the airport, where there are only a few elevators connecting the floors. so on the lower floor where the train arrives the elevators quickly filled up, leaving a large group jostling in front of the doors to be sure of a place on the next trip. so i took the escalators... great idea. these long escalators slowly take you to the next floor, where you then have to double-back on yourself to the start of the next escalator and so on up 4 floors. of course, this is thailand and people stand all over the escalators (keep to the right!!!) or have a trolley, making it impossible to speed this up. this tactic of slowing your exit down works ok in paragon, but is frustrating in an airport - so if you are in a hurry, also factor an additional 5 minutes to get from the lower floor to departures!!

on arriving back in bangkok, now with wife and more baggage, the thought of going on the train, then bts and then taxi v just getting in a taxi was too much. sad, but i don't think i'll ever use it on arrival.

[QUOTE=Jerboa]The Rail link sounds great, but It will end up as a red herring, [/QUOTE]

A red herring or a white elephant?

Wanna Meet Thai Students? read this board where a lot of girls are offering fun times... Of course, they have to be 18+

it's in thai, but Google Chrome Translates the whole page for you ;)

Have fun

[url]http://sidelinehot.com/index.php/board,7.0.html[/url]

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wanna Meet Thai Students? read this board where a lot of girls are offering fun times... Of course, they have to be 18+

it's in thai, but Google Chrome Translates the whole page for you ;)

Have fun

[url]http://sidelinehot.com/index.php/board,7.0.html[/url][/QUOTE]

The unknown level of English should likely make trying to put something together very interesting.

[QUOTE=Pita123]The unknown level of English should likely make trying to put something together very interesting.[/QUOTE]

Well, unless you're looking for a girlfriend then there should not be any problems...
Fuck her, Pay her and Flee.... that's it. No English needed and my thai should be sufficient for this short type of encounters.

[QUOTE=Mastorr]Cascade Ladyboy bar ?

I've always gone to Cascade and always I barfined girls ........[/QUOTE]Did they insist on switching off the lights before getting down to business?

And did they all say that they like you so much that they will let you do their ass?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, unless you're looking for a girlfriend then there should not be any problems...
Fuck her, Pay her and Flee.... that's it. No English needed and my thai should be sufficient for this short type of encounters.[/QUOTE]

English needed to set up the meet I imagine. Your Thai is probably not representative. :)

Hi
I was in Bangkok recently and saw that they were selling dildos in many places around nana
I thought it was banned in Thailand, or the law has changed ?

BL

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Well, unless you're looking for a girlfriend then there should not be any problems...
Fuck her, Pay her and Flee.... that's it. No English needed and my thai should be sufficient for this short type of encounters.[/QUOTE]
Love it!

When can we expect a full report on your success?

[QUOTE=Pita123]A red herring or a white elephant?[/QUOTE]

Same same but different!

Hey fellows,

So I'm pretty new to P4P (but been in Asia nearly a decade; I know, what a waste). A few months back in Thailand was my first time. I want to tell that story for newbies' edification and then ask questions to prepare my next trip.

So, a few months back I'm in BKK, being shown around by a friend who lives there. Now this friend pretends he never does P4P, and he never did in front of me, but somehow he knows the go-go bars, supposedly because he "takes friends there". Anyways.

So he explains to me (then a complete newbie) that girls in go-go bars can say yes or no to you. There is a selection process. You have to be nice to them, buy them drinks, talk, and then they decide if they like you and want to go with you or not. He tells me they have the upper hand since many clients want them, they have the choice

This strikes me as odd to say the least, but remember this is my friend, I trust him, and he lives in BKK. So I figure, he must know. So I try this way of "seducing the hooker and getting her approval". But I suck at it. I'm pretty good at getting freebies but I feel totally uninspired at pretending to have a normal conversation with a hooker who can't speak English, in a loud bar, with other costumers and girls watching, etc etc. I just don't see the point. And I hate to buy multiple drinks for the girls – I NEVER buy drinks to normal girls in bars, so why am I doing this for a SW?

So this leads to a lot of awkward, frustrating moments and aborted attempts, with the girl or me losing interest after a while. Whatever chemistry exists through body language and eye contact is killed each time by lame attempt at "where are you from" conversations. Obviously I'm also not in my comfort zone since this is all new to me.

Believe it or not, this lasts for 2 NIGHTS, with me (a late twenties, fit, not bad looking dude who is not bad with women in real life) NOT BEING ABLE TO SCORE IN BKK GO-GO BARS. In hindsight, hilarious.

In the middle of the third night, I get really annoyed. I think, "OK this is ridiculous. This isn't supposed to be that hard". I finally ditch my friend and go back, alone, to a bar (one of the Rainbows at Nana upstairs) where I had friended a waitress.

I sit down, waive her, and tell her, picking the cutest girl in the line up without even bothering to make eye contact, "I want number 29. No drinks, no talk, no bullshit. I don't have time right now. Just tell her to get ready and we go. "

In retrospect I was probably too aggressive/edgy (a no-no in Thailand) but I was annoyed at that point. Anyway, no problem. The waitress nods that she understands. The girl comes down the line up, gets ready backstage, comes to pick me up at my table 5 mins later, and off we go.

I don't even think I bought a drink while I was waiting.

So the lesson here for complete newbies, is that doing it short and quick is possible. I adopted the same technique the following few nights. Sit, get ONE drink for myself, pick a girl, and bar fine her immediately. Almost no conversation in the venue.

I'm not saying this is the best way, but it worked for me last time.

I don't care for anal or any particularly perverse activity, so of course that's a caveat. I don't need to agree on anything special beforehand.

All my lays were ST as I was sleeping at a friend's place. I used the Nana ST hotel at 300 baths a session (I had no clue where it was, the girls take you there though, just pretend you've been there 1, 000 times before, it worked for me).

-

OK. Now I spent a long time RTFFing, as I'm back to BKK in a week and preparing Questions for experienced members:

1. Is actually talking to the girls and buying them a few drinks in the venue advisable? I saw a few members I respect [Barko among them – dude, I've read all your posts, I'm a fan ] saying that was a good idea; but they didn't explain why. Is this about good will? Agreeing on anal? Getting them drunk? Having a good time? Doing a chemistry check?

2. I've also seen some say that you can book a girl ST and if you are fun and your hotel is nice etc then she'll end up staying LT. Is that advisable/doable? How much do you pay the girl then, end of night? ST+tip? Or LT rate?

3. What if you want the girl to stay with you during the day time (instead of leaving in the morning)? Is this advisable? Any suggestions on rates? (I'm talking Nana go-go girls).

4. I've seen suggested to tip the mamasan/papasan and/or waitress to buy goodwill. I believe this is mostly for MPs. Does it apply to go-gos as well? And how do you tip? Openly or discreetly (palm of the hand thing)?

Any feedback welcome.

[QUOTE=Redfield10]You are probably joking, but they weren't girls!

It's 100% ladyboy bar![/QUOTE]


Sorry, I was wrong, place was Carousel and not Cascade.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wanna Meet Thai Students? read this board where a lot of girls are offering fun times... Of course, they have to be 18+

it's in thai, but Google Chrome Translates the whole page for you ;)

Have fun

[url]http://sidelinehot.com/index.php/board,7.0.html[/url][/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. I am going to try it out. I have always wondered how to meet Thai girls online other than Thai Love Links which I never had success with. Anyone else have links to meet Thai girls online in Bangkok?

spider and i met up at dollhouse in search of the illusive #8. spider had mentioned her to me a couple of nights ago, and we looked for her then, but she had already been snapped up. i think stickman's mention of her number made her girl #1 in all of soi cowboy, so good luck finding this mythical beauty. personally, i don't believe in following such recommendations, as beauty is most definitely in the eye of the beholder. and i find that my sense of beauty is decidedly more voluptuous than many of the mongers that frequent bkk. nonetheless, we decided to crash the soi earlier than we usually do, arriving at 8pm. to my surprise, they had a happy hour at dollhouse: 69b draft beers, 69b singha and tiger (but not heineken). and some other drinks too were priced at 69b, and the happy hour lasts until 9:30, i believe.

i sat downstairs for two shifts, looking for the fabled #8 or someone else decent. finding neither, i ascended the legally-dubious staircase to the balcony lounge. i sat at a table with a thick-legged girl jiggling her meager offerings above me. i inspected her legs for a moment, finding no real attraction. her calves were enmeated (i just made that word up) enough for me, but they were shaped all wrong. the ankle was almost as thick as the calf, giving a kind of cylindrical shape to her legs – not appealing at all. her thighs were heavier than a thai girl can justify, belying her preference for kfc and mcnitrates than khaw pad or anything else traditional. but her ass was commensurate to her thighs, so at least she was proportionately thick. i then looked down at her feet, and all i could see were toes poking out of cheap strap-shoes like a star of david in all directions. ah yes, the stereotypical farm girl dancing tables in a seedy bangkok bar.

spider arrived, saving me from my solitary misery, and instead we engaged in dual misery. we sat there like grumpy old me bitching about the lack of talent in this joint. my toothy, gluteally-magnified girl from the period debacle a couple of nights earlier (read about it here: [post]1070861[/post) comes out and squeamishly giggles at me. she really is a delight to look at and to talk to, i wish i had been able to tap her, but you take the punches life sends your way.

she is giggling and squirming uncomfortably in front of me, very aware of the awkwardness this situation presents. she is butt nekkid, and she climbs onto our table and starts to display her wears. my eyes were fixated squarely on her pussy...where's the blood girlfriend? i got screwed (and not in the nice way) the other night because of your event...could i see some lingering evidence of that please? and she was terribly aware of where my eyes were and why they were there. so i think for show, she jumps off the table and runs into the bathroom, feigning period problems. she returned 60 seconds later all better. there, see? evidence of a period. ok, faces saved all around, move along people, there is nothing to see here.

spider and i complained the whole time. we saw a girl who was pretty cute: nice face, nice ass, nice legs, nice small waist, all good, until she turned around. ooooh, she had a terrible, obvious boob job. why do girls do this to themselves? if you are going to insert globs of chemicals into your body, you'd better be sure the outcome is top notch. although perhaps some guys like this obviously-enhanced look? that was the closest to bar-finable that we found in dollhouse that night, sadly.

next, we went to shark, which was predictably full. we squeezed into a small spot in the front row and began our inexorable scrutiny of the mass of yellow-clad neon-drenched lovelies. we sat through two shifts, and the two girls we both agreed were super hot were #90 and #2. the former had long, dark, straight hair with a face suggestive of american indian nobility. i mean, her features were not quite typical thai – she must have been a mongrel of some sort. i say that as a proud mongrel myself, so no one take offense please. she was tall, statuesque, and seemed very elegant. she looked our way a couple of times, and i was getting a vibe, but spider was convinced that was delusions of grandeur on my part.

#2 was similarly tall and elegant, with slightly more slender legs, and brown frilly hair cascading down her face. she had large, large eyes which reminded me of bambi (the deer). but sadly for us, she was not interested in humanity at this point. she was standing in the corner of the stage alone, with a 3-foot buffer zone space all around her. all the other girls were crammed together into a mass of femininity, jostling for elbow room, being nudged all the way to the edge of the stage, and here was this girl, who had somehow eked out some space for herself which the other girls were unwilling to violate. so given her total disinterest, neither of us were willing to spring for a ld.

one other note of interest: we spied the most interesting ass in the history of the thai people. i do believe this ass is unique in all thai genetics. if thailand had one, this ass would be enshrined in the equivalent of the smithsonian institute. i mean, it was remarkable.

her number is 8, if i recall correctly (not the #8 from dollhouse). she was perhaps 5'2” tall, with a slender upper body, slightly stout (although not terribly so) legs, a nondescript face, and this monster on her backside that just defied the boundaries of human assdom. now fella's, i like a nice, round ass, you all know that, right? i've waxed poetic many a times about the pleasure of some ass flesh, so there is no doubt as to my lifetime platinum membership in the quadruple a: ass adoration association of america. and so when a large ass comes along, i am the *first* to stand up and applaud. bravo! encore!

but this ass was just too much – it offended the sensibilities, really. spider, how do i describe it? well, imagine her upper body– straight and narrow, tapering for the waist, and then opening up into a wide set of hips. so imagine the width of the hips, as if you are looking at the hips face-on, at their widest angle. imagine pulling out a measuring tape and measuring the width of the hips at their widest point. remember that width, ok? now imagine a 3d rotation through space, where you turn the girl 90 degrees to get her profile. now you take the tape measure and measure the width of her profile around the ass at its widest point, and you find that this width (of her profile around the ass) easily exceeded the width of her hips in the frontal angle. that's not natural, right?

furthermore, the cheeks themselves were monumentally round and meaty. i really mean monumentally because they were like a monument built for ass worshippers. the glutes extended outwards from the small of her back at an angle that denied all principles of physics. i imagined dropping a marble down her back, falling down the length of her spine, and as it takes the curve of the ass, it would shoot off exactly parallel to the ground. so flat and expansive was the top of the ass that you could set up a whole tea set on the ass, like a table-top, sit down and have 4pm tea with cucumber sandwiches off the top of that ass. oh jolly good, these crumpets, wot? this kind of angle is not supposed to occur in nature! so the ass then takes its parabolic curve back to the upper leg, and upon meeting the upper leg, there was a perfect ass-cheek crease. the result was that the ass was like two packets of hard gelatin compressed and compacted onto her back, just sticking out there and mocking the rest of the world, defying everyone to provide a physical explanation for its existence. meaty is the word that comes to mind.

spider and i sat there chuckling for a few minutes and shaking our heads at the hilarity of the ass. we were convinced that this was an ass-implant job gone terribly wrong. or right, depending on your perspective. so, for the perverted ass lover out there, make a beeline for shark.

next we peeked into midnite, recoiling instantly and backtracking asap, and were then accosted by a double-facial-stud girl trying to convince us to enter cowboy 2. we passed, and went into sheeba. never been in there before. there were 5-6 girls on stage, fully nude. the lighting was not terribly good – far too much red, and so you could not see a damned thing on the girls. stretch marks were invisible, scars were nothing, and all the curves were made to look good. there was one girl who had a cute face, large titties and nice legs dancing near me giving me the come-hither smile. sadly, i never went thither. spider was working his attention on a skinny, glasses-clad girl who was looking the other way the whole time, thereby showing us what would turn out to be her good side. so we patiently sipped our beers, watching for the shift-change.

before that happened, i saw this guy sitting at the stage. he had close cropped hair, perhaps in his mid-40s, and looked like he was hopped up on some kind of stimulant – he had sunken, dark eyes, and that twitchy way about him, reminding me of harry rednapp. he calls over the girl who had been smiling at me and says “hello”, she reciprocates. he says “i'll buy you a drink if you let me lick your pussy.” she says “aaaah?” so he stands up so he can be heard better, he raises his voice so the whole bar can hear better, and repeats himself, this time with hand gestures, so the deaf-mutes can follow along. after all, this important message must not be missed by anyone.

...*i* (points to self)...will buy *you* (points to her tits)... a *drink* (points to his beer)...if *you* (points to her tits) let *me* (points to self's mouth)...*lick* (flits his tongue out and all over his mouth, leaving a visible droplet of drool in the middle of his lower lip)....your *puuuussssssyyyyyyyy* (pointing you know where).

her expression does not change one bit. she looks at him as if to say “really? that's the best you got?” and then she turns to her friend and says something, and never looks at him again. this is the kind of bone-headed, dumb-ass, ethnically degrading behavior that white guys in their 40s should be appalled at. that girl who was treated like a piece of meaningless shit by this guy will now look at the next white guy in his 40s as a crude, drunken, offensive butt sponge. you may not like the fact that she generalizes this behavior to the entire group, but that's human nature. that's what we do – fear of the american black man; all arabs are terrorists; all indians stink; all korean men beat their women; all chinese have stale bo; all germans like leather and children. etc. this twitchy twat-alot guy just created the stereotype of 'all falang men are crude, cheap, smelly and high on yaabaa.' how many japanese guys do you see behaving like that? it's just basic respect, that's all.

at this point, spider's skinny girl turns around to reveal a rather leathery, hideous face. spider physically recoils, and i hear a sad “oh” come from his mouth.

shift change!!!

but oh my god the girls that came on stage were downright grotesque. i don't mean to be mean, but they really had no business being naked. ever. spider said something to the effect of 'the nerve of these people, putting these girls on stage in front of us.” it was downright shameful.

so we bailed and called it a night. i went back to my lovely in the hotel room, only to be put through the ringer with thai gf dramatics - next report.

[QUOTE=Chill Out]1. Is actually talking to the girls and buying them a few drinks in the venue advisable? I saw a few members I respect [Barko among them – dude, I've read all your posts, I'm a fan ] saying that was a good idea; but they didn't explain why. Is this about good will? Agreeing on anal? Getting them drunk? Having a good time? Doing a chemistry check?

2. I've also seen some say that you can book a girl ST and if you are fun and your hotel is nice etc then she'll end up staying LT. Is that advisable/doable? How much do you pay the girl then, end of night? ST+tip? Or LT rate?

3. What if you want the girl to stay with you during the day time (instead of leaving in the morning)? Is this advisable? Any suggestions on rates? (I'm talking Nana go-go girls).

4. I've seen suggested to tip the mamasan/papasan and/or waitress to buy goodwill. I believe this is mostly for MPs. Does it apply to go-gos as well? And how do you tip? Openly or discreetly (palm of the hand thing)?

Any feedback welcome.[/QUOTE]Chill Out, I couldn't help smile as I read your post as it somehow reminds me of myself when I first started out. I'm by no means as experienced a monger as others on the forum, and I certainly don't post much. But for whatever reason I thought I would give you my 5 cents on your questions:

1. As you've noticed, the language barrier doesn't exactly allow for great conversation. In the western sense at least. But have her sit with you for awhile anyway, not for you to "seduce" her, but the other way around. Mostly, but not always, it's an indicator of things to come. I'm not necessarily talking about hardcore touching/making out here, but it gives you an idea anyway. Also, if personality matters to you (it does to me. I prefer girls who are not too hardened by the scene), it gives you a chance to get a feel for who she is. And yes, to see if there's chemistry.

2. I usually pay 1500 for short time and 2000-2500 for long time in BKK. If she wants to stay the night without you requesting it. Hmm, well if you like her, give her a little extra in the morning. But there are no fixed rules.

3. The few times I've had a girl stay with me in the daytime, all I paid was food, massage or whatever we did outside the hotel. Again, there are no fixed rules. One tip though. Get as many phone no's as possible (but do it discreetly if you're in a gogo, otherwise the girl can get in serious trouble with the management!) It can save you many a barfine and provide you with excellent entertainment in the afternoons.

4. Money is king, but I don't think I ever tipped the mama-san. Perhaps I bought her a drink once or twice but that's it. It depends what your objective is I guess. I noticed that ISG's own excellent writer and humanist (I mean that in the very best way!) Kumbu mentioned tipping the papa-san for better seats when there supposedly were none to be had. And got them because of the tip. So if she/he is doing you a favor then tip or buy her a drink. But calling girl #85 to come sit with you isn't really a favor in my book. It's her job.

Lastly, a few things that have made my own Thailand experiences so much more enjoyable: be nice, be fun, smile, give compliments, don't be a sucker (it's perfectly ok to refuse someone a drink, just as well as it's perfectly ok for them to ask you), dress nicely, be clean, shave, learn a few frases in Thai and use them, then learn more and use those too. I've encountered a lot of opinions on whether or not it is advisable to speak Thai in mongering situations, and some seem to think that it will make the girls avoid you since you "know too much", I. E. You're not a sucker. Well, maybe those girls were best avoided anyway. All I can say is that my own feeble attempts to speak the language have many times put me in a better position, either because people thought I lived in Thailand (and my Thai is VERY basic) and sort of knew my way around things, or simply because they thought that it was a nice thing on my part to try and learn a little bit of their language.

Enjoy your trip! I myself will be back in LOS this Friday. I can't wait!

[QUOTE=Chill Out]Hey fellows,

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OK. Now I spent a long time RTFFing, as I'm back to BKK in a week and preparing Questions for experienced members:

1. Is actually talking to the girls and buying them a few drinks in the venue advisable? I saw a few members I respect [Barko among them – dude, I've read all your posts, I'm a fan ] saying that was a good idea; but they didn't explain why. Is this about good will? Agreeing on anal? Getting them drunk? Having a good time? Doing a chemistry check?


I think you need to find the middle ground between your friends advice and your point and shoot method. I think it is a good idea to buy the girl a LD. It gives you time to see if there is any chemistry, and to see what sort of attitude she has, it also makes the girl feel a little more kindly towards you, and hopefully ensuring a better performance back at the hotel. You could also offer to buy her some food from a street vendor, or stop at 7-11 to get something to drink, on the way back to the hotel. Treat the girls with respect and a little kindness and generally you will reap the rewards, don't go overboard but 50 baht for some food or a beer can go a long way. Look at this way, if you are too nice (a la your friends advice), the girls will think you are a pushover and try to get over on you, perhaps by asking an outrageous price, etc. If you just point and shoot w/o saying a word, the girl will probably not be kindly predisposed to you, not that she won't go with you, but don't expect anything special from her. Put yourself in her situation, no one likes being treated like a piece of meat, even if they are WG's.


2. I've also seen some say that you can book a girl ST and if you are fun and your hotel is nice etc then she'll end up staying LT. Is that advisable/doable? How much do you pay the girl then, end of night? ST+tip? Or LT rate?


If you think you might want to convert a ST to a LT with a girl, then try to do this before you leave the bar. Find out what her rates for both are and let her know that if you like her you may want her to stay LT instead of ST. You may need to get the Mamasan involved if her Engrish is not all that good, and then tipping the Mama, a little, is not a bad thing. If you are not sure what you are going to do then at least find out what she charges for both ST and LT, because if she ends up staying LT, then she will expect her LT rate. In the event you do go LT you may also want to talk about what time she will want to leave in the morning.

3. What if you want the girl to stay with you during the day time (instead of leaving in the morning)? Is this advisable? Any suggestions on rates? (I'm talking Nana go-go girls).


This is a tough question, it varies from girl to girl. I have had some ladies ready to leave quite early (they had to get back to their Thai BF's, I guess) , after a morning session, and some ladies stay quite late into the afternoon until they had to get ready to go to work and want nothing more than what we had agreed upon. Some girls may want extra to stay with you in the afternoon and some may not. As long as I have had my morning session, I really don't care when they leave. I will say though that I kind of like the girls who stay late as I generally get an early morning session, and/or a late morning, early afternoon session. If you want a girl to stay with you and not go to work that night, then you are going to have to pay her barfine and depending on how long you want her to stay then either ST or LT.

4. I've seen suggested to tip the mamasan/papasan and/or waitress to buy goodwill. I believe this is mostly for MPs. Does it apply to go-gos as well? And how do you tip? Openly or discreetly (palm of the hand thing)?


If you are a regular in the bar or if the Mamasan helps you out then I think tipping them a little bit is ok. Otherwise, I don't generally tip them.

Any feedback welcome.
Disclaimer: These answers are only my humble opinions and what works for me might not work for others. Treat the ladies with respect and kindness and it will pay dividends, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Booey]Disclaimer: These answers are only my humble opinions and what works for me might not work for others. Treat the ladies with respect and kindness and it will pay dividends, IMHO.[/QUOTE]Damn Booey, you were quicker than me. Funny how similar our answers/opinions are. Like-minded individuals I guess.

dear dhardesh,
your very informative post below is exactly what i have been looking for in here. for a first timer to thailand/bkk, this is the most informative post about the bkk scene i have read in here. thank you so much. looks like we would be in bkk at the same time as i arrive at the end of october. would love to meet with you or any other regular/expert in the bkk/thai scene to go have some fun together.

thanks again for the very informative post and keep'em coming brother.

cheers.


[quote=dhardesh]hi corne,

i am not a writer. actually far from it. just a simple guy that like to pay back to this forum by contributing some information about my adventures in the land of smiles. the best tip i could give you is: rtff.

but a more general set of tips would be:

determine for yourself what kind a needs you have. do you want to experience scantily clad girls gyrating on your lap and begging you for a ladydrink with the possible option for banging your brains out in either a short time or long time adventure? then visit nep or soi cowboy.

nep can be found on soi 4. take the skytrain (bts) to nana and get off on the even side. you should see the landmark hotel on your left hand side. pass this and walk into the first side street on your left. side streets of large roads are called soi. large roads are called thanon. so thanon sukhumvit, soi 4 would mean the fourth side street of the main road sukhumvit. after about 100 meters you will see a lot of different lights and open bars on your left hand side. this is nana entertainment plaza. enter it and you will see that it consist of three levels of pure erotic pleasure. on the ground level are open bars and some go go's. take the escalator (or the stairs in the back) to the first floor and you will see a lot of bars.

be careful not to step inside the wrong bar, since there are some ladyboy bars as well (casanova, cascade, obsession and temptations). ladyboys are also called katoey. check out the forum for how to spot a ladyboy (taller, nicer breasts, smaller hips, bigger hands, bigger shoulders, adams apple, stronger jawlines, deeper voice, more aggressive). unless you want to do something with lb's, of course.

there are quite a number of regular go go bars in nep that have nice looking girls and some fascinating shows. rainbow iv and angelwitch were/are good locations to visit. but be sure not to come across as a first timer. because first timers are shark bait! you will be hassled into buying a lot of ladydrinks and the girls will be all over you(r money). in the go go bars, girls will be dancing on the stages and at certain points during the evening special shows will be performed. this can be anything from lesbian shows, p*ssy acrobatics (anything that can be imagined will be stuffed into and pulled out of the tunnel most of us came out of) to body painting. go go bars work in dance shifts. girls that are not dancing are either walking around and try to entertain/hassle customers. or are just staying together and chitchat or eat food. if you do not want to talk to a girl or give her a ladydrink, just say no (or mai auw in thai). if they insist, then just repeat it again more firmly, but always keep on smiling. never appear to be upset or rude, because thai people do not like to lose face. and getting upset means to lose face. if you cannot help it and cannot control yourself anymore. then just pay up your bill and leave. but always check that you did not pay more than needed and check your change.

if you do find someone you like. then look at her directly and see if she smiles at you too. if no smile comes from the recipient side, then don't bother. the possibility of a starfish adventure are high then. you can ask the girl directly to sit with you or you can ask a waitress or the mamasan to call her over. just remember her number and refer to that when calling her over. once you have the girl next to you (or all over you.), you can buy her a ladydrink and chit chat a little bit. during the chit chat you will discover if her communication skills are good enough for you or not. most thai bargirls have limited english skills. a typical conversation would go like:

bg: sawasdee ka, me like you.

you: i like you, too. where are you from?

bg: isaan (a province in the north east of thailand)

you: what is your name?

bg: lek, poo, kung or apple (fill in your own short name)

you: how old are you?

bg: me 21 year. you?

you:. (fill in anything you want, as they do not care about your age anyway).

after this most girls are out of english skills and the extra words they know are short time 2000 baht, and long time 3000 baht (or higher depending on how money eager they are). always negotiate and start with a lesser amount than what they ask. bargaining is part of the whole p4p. ask her for the services she offers for this amount and how many times you are allowed to come. sometimes they refer to smoking as giving a bj. so if being asked if you like smoking, then point at your member and say yes! when the negotiation has ended, pay the bill + the bar fine and leave with the girl to the place you want to go. you can either go back to your hotel (if it is girl friendly) or go to a short time hotel. the bg should know where these are.

if you happen to get caught by a gold digger, then don't be surprised if she wants to eat first, go hang out with some of her friends in expensive places and get some clothing or other body ornaments. of course you are the one that has to pay for all of this. be a man and smile and tell her that you will have none of that and that you already have many girlfriends (giks) that you need to support like that. if she wants anything she has to earn it first with exceptional services. short time hotels are normally around 300 baht per hour.

you can also check out soi cowboy (side street of soi 23 on thanon sukhumvit. take the bts to asoke and walk towards the grand millenium hotel. the entry should be on your right side. you can use the mrt station to cross the road.) in soi cowboy you can visit a lot of bars that have different kinds of activities. if interested in dancers without any underwear than visit baccara. if interested in a bj on the spot, than go to afterskool. if interested in good shows then go to suzi wong.

if you are into bj's then visit either [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s (soi 8, thanon sukhumvit near bts nana) and get your rocks of for 700 baht, or visit star or light in patpong. or go to the kangaroo bar in patpong. some go go bars in soi cowboy also offer bj's but that can be a touch and go.

if the whole go go scene is not your thing, then you can check out the freelancers in a couple of places. beergarden on sukhumvit soi 7, gulliver's on sukhumvit soi 5. just check out the site from wickedtraveler for a quick overview of the different things to do.

another pleasure to indulge into are massages/soapies/oilies. check out the forum for which places to go to. again, which place to go to depends upon your desires. if you want a real masssage, then go to shops that have a sign that says traditional massage. anything with the term body massage in it, is likely to offer more than just a massage. i personally like to go to annie's as i like to order two girls to give me a full service checkup with multiple pops and lots of daty. but i also enjoy going to aviva. there are so many massage places that it is simply too hard to give a short overview of these. just rtff.

if you are into trio's or more with girls that provide three hole services, then you can also check out eden. eden is located on sukhumvit soi 7/1 close to bts nana. you can pick two or more girls and get your pornstar fantasy fulfilled there. just remember that there is a line that separates the a+ girls from the none a+ girls. if you are only interested in three hole adventures with one girl. then check out tulip massage or mango massage. these massage shops are the best nowadays into providing this kind of service.

another tip i can give you is to hook up with fellow mongers and have a good time together. i will be in bkk beginning of november. so maybe i will see you there.

happy mongering,

d[/quote]

[QUOTE=Kumbu]How many Japanese guys do you see behaving like that? It's just basic respect, that's all.

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Japanese men are well liked because they outspend all others by a mile. They are very polite in public (there are times they can't hold their alcohol and are embarrasing), but in the bedroom they are different. They cum fast, barely penetrate the the girls and tip big. It's no wonder why working girls love them.

If you think that some obscene white guy in a bar will ruin your reputation, think again. Your reputation as a "cheap" white guy has been well established long ago, and that's pretty much the only thing that matters. If you want to change that than start paying top dollar for all short times, never negotiate, and start tipping big. This is what Japanese do and they are everywhere in Nana and Cowboy these days!

[QUOTE=Amjeck]Japanese men are well liked because they outspend all others by a mile. They are very polite in public (there are times they can't hold their alcohol and are embarrasing), but in the bedroom they are different. They cum fast, barely penetrate the the girls and tip big. It's no wonder why working girls love them... If you want to change that than start paying top dollar for all short times, never negotiate, and start tipping big. This is what Japanese do and they are everywhere in Nana and Cowboy these days![/QUOTE]I very much agree with the assessment about why Japanese guys are preferred. In fact, you scooped me on this point - I am preparing a post in which I make a slightly different argument, but much in the same vein. Nonetheless, I think this idea that it is 100% about money is wrong - nothing is absolute in this way (except maybe this last statement? :) ). I said so a week or so ago in which I made the point about 100% of the girls are in it for the money, but each girl is not in it 100% for the money. Here is a link to that post:
[post]1070236[/post]

Well, if it is true that Japanese men tend to come faster (I have no idea if it is true or not), then it's not just the money. The girls will work way less than they would with a white guy. Japanese/Asian dicks also tend to be smaller, therefore less wear and tear for the girls even if the guy lasts long. And then they get paid more, so what's not to like?

I also imagine that due to their culture, Japanese guys are probably easier for the girls to control in the bedroom ie they will be less pushy etc. Which also makes it safer/easier for the girl.

A thai man or an expat, who knows well the sex scene of Bangkok, wants to spend 100 euros on a short time quality ( especially in terms of beauty) fucking. The question is where will he go for mongering.

In other words what are the choices of the locals? Will they go to massage parlours (e.g. La Defence, La Belle), to go-go bars (e.g. Rainbow 1), to freelancer spots (e.g. Gullivers, Thermae), to afterhours nightclubs (e.g. Q-bar, Spicey), to one of the numerous karaoke clubs that can be seen in almost every block of the capital, to small member clubs?

Is there any hidden secret about finding the beauties?

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/25/world/asia/25iht-thai.html?pagewanted=2&ref=general&src=me[/url]

Read the quotes, the motivation of everyone comes through.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wanna Meet Thai Students? read this board where a lot of girls are offering fun times... Of course, they have to be 18+

it's in thai, but Google Chrome Translates the whole page for you ;)

Have fun

[url]http://sidelinehot.com/index.php/board,7.0.html[/url][/QUOTE]I had a look but when you translate it the sentences are all back to front and the words have different meanings. Hopefully ill work it out soon!

[QUOTE=Kumbu]I couldn't agree more. Gogo bars start early, even as early as 6pm (although I've never been that early). They then close around 2am or so, with the occasional cop crack down which closes them early. But barring that, you have a good 8 hours to find something. Climax gets busy around 1am, and climaxes (heh, see what I did there?) around 2:30am (maybe earlier). If you are still empty handed, I would recommend walking out of Climax onto the street, avoiding all offers for taxis or tuk-tuks, and get into a metered taxi - one that is just driving past on soi 11. Tell the driver to take you to Spicey. Alternatively, at that hour, you could walk down to Nana Liquid and see what there is, as it gets cracking around 2am. Spend an hour or two scouring either place, and if you are still empty handed, grab a taxi to Bossy. Bossy peaks around 4:30am-5am, so really, if you are empty handed after searching from 6pm to 5am, then perhaps you should just chalk it up to fate and call it quits. But I just can't imagine that happening. If you are sufficiently horny and sufficiently patient, you will easily get laid every night (or more often, if you so desire) while in BKK.[/QUOTE]


I wanted to check out the nightclubs as I have been to the go go's before, but it looks like with these timings, for some certainty, I would need to stick to the go-go's as the clubs can't be relied on and the go-go's will close before the clubs start picking up.

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit]A thai man or an expat, who knows well the sex scene of Bangkok, wants to spend 100 euros on a short time quality ( especially in terms of beauty) fucking. The question is where will he go for mongering.

In other words what are the choices of the locals? Will they go to massage parlours (e.g. La Defence, La Belle), to go-go bars (e.g. Rainbow 1), to freelancer spots (e.g. Gullivers, Thermae), to afterhours nightclubs (e.g. Q-bar, Spicey), to one of the numerous karaoke clubs that can be seen in almost every block of the capital, to small member clubs?

Is there any hidden secret about finding the beauties?[/QUOTE]Sure. My secrets? That ain't gonna happen. :D

Seriously though, the boards here are full of pretty much everything you need to score the goodness. Beauty and performance are so subjective that it's near impossible to answer your question directly. A girl's looks are just a fraction of the equation for a great experience here.

My latest visits to the "Amsterdam Massage" soapie in Ratchada have yielded spectacular results, (but you do pay a heavy price for the privilege.) Not sure if your 100 Euro cap is going to get you the 9X9 stunner you are looking for there though, (Amsterdam "M" badge number sideliner = 4800-5600 Baht.)

PM me, let's yak a little.

[QUOTE=Travel Spirit]A thai man or an expat, who knows well the sex scene of Bangkok, wants to spend 100 euros on a short time quality ( especially in terms of beauty) fucking. The question is where will he go for mongering.

In other words what are the choices of the locals? Will they go to massage parlours (e.g. La Defence, La Belle), to go-go bars (e.g. Rainbow 1), to freelancer spots (e.g. Gullivers, Thermae), to afterhours nightclubs (e.g. Q-bar, Spicey), to one of the numerous karaoke clubs that can be seen in almost every block of the capital, to small member clubs?

Is there any hidden secret about finding the beauties?[/QUOTE]

A Thai man who wants to fuck a living doll is going to go to a high end fish bowl soap establishment. He is going to want a bj with condom.....as his family is number 1 and he doesn't want to get exposed to anything possible. He will do a lot of talking with the worker.....maybe even asking marital advice.......If a Thai man wants to entertain friends or have fun, he is going to mess around with a karaoke.....probably pay a fortune....and in the end....not fuck anyone. Many years in Thailand.......work with Thais all day long.....it's a fact....Jack.

Last night at LOS. Kind of tired of fucking. So wanted a relaxed last night. Decided to visit to CM2 (also SY was fishing someone there) again (known devil is better than unknown angel)

Picked up Leena (the Blondy fm 1st night, again known devil is better.)and for change switched a more jovial Zyna.

Names: Leena and Zyna

Club: CM2

Race: CIS

Age: 29 & 24

Face: 8 and 9 (zyna had a terrific smile)

Body: 8 and 7 both of them had lovely body and skin, no shades of extra fat anywhere

Boobs: (both) smallish very firm natural tits with brownish hard nipples, right size to eat and play)

Ass: Leena had a good one then Zyna and terrific one.

BBBJ: Leena. 8 (slow and sensual, she loves 2 BJ. She was on it for more than 15mins when I was playing with Zyna,) Zyna. 6 (she was doing CBJ while I was getting ready to enter Leena)

Fingering: Leena enjoyed it more but during this session Zyna was little shy(?)

DATY: Leena. 9 (Oh. She loves it so much. In fact she reached her climax once I guess, else as they say, she was a good actress.. I serviced her quite a bit), Zyna. Not much(different story next day when she was in room alone with me)

FS: Leena 9 (was very wet, she really enjoys it. Keep asking me to do it faster) Zyna 10. Was quite opposite. Wanted slow and in different positions

Pussy: Leena 8 (very clean, not too much skin there and sweet smell) Zyna. 9 even more neat, more tight

Attitude: Leena 8 (she was the one who always started proceedings) Zyna. 7 (again different story next day)

Damage: 6K+5K + food and drinks 0. 5

Overall: 8. More satisfying than 1st encounter. May be due to already established relationship.

This very casual relaxed session really made my trip even more memorable and can't wait to visit LOS again. (so working even harder so that I can make it faster)

Off topic, but does anyone know a way to send the 20 bucks to Jackson with real anonymity (aside from snail mail)? Using a virtual credit card number or something? I'm not satisfied with the current solution, since anyone googling the "charity" name that appears on your statements will be able to make the connection to the hobby.

Jackson, if I may suggest; I can't think of a more high-leverage activity for you than spending a few days making it REAL easy and REAL anonymous for people to pay you. I've been wanting to do this for a month. Imagine how many more people think the same.

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Hi Chill Out,

You already said it: Use a pre-paid/virtual credit card.

You can buy them at any Walmart.

I can't make it any more simple than that.

Thanks,

Jackson[/blue]

[QUOTE=Chill Out]Well, if it is true that Japanese men tend to come faster (I have no idea if it is true or not), then it's not just the money. The girls will work way less than they would with a white guy. Japanese/Asian dicks also tend to be smaller, therefore less wear and tear for the girls even if the guy lasts long. And then they get paid more, so what's not to like?

I also imagine that due to their culture, Japanese guys are probably easier for the girls to control in the bedroom ie they will be less pushy etc. Which also makes it safer/easier for the girl.[/QUOTE]

Don't know if this is true but there is a rumour that Thai working girls refer to Japanese customers as "3-3-3s". Apparently it stands for 3 inches- 3 minutes - 3,000baht.

[QUOTE=Simian]Don't know if this is true but there is a rumour that Thai working girls refer to Japanese customers as "3-3-3s". Apparently it stands for 3 inches- 3 minutes - 3,000baht.[/QUOTE]

I've heard that they refer to them as see, see, see (444): 4 centimeters, 4 minutes, 4k.

And laughing in Thai is 555 (5 is haa in Thai).

D

[QUOTE=Simian]Don't know if this is true but there is a rumour that Thai working girls refer to Japanese customers as "3-3-3s". Apparently it stands for 3 inches- 3 minutes - 3,000baht.[/QUOTE]Do you really need to add racist stereotypes here? Let's talk about whites and blacks as well then.

There was a really good post here from months back where the poster had said that Japanese men really worship the female body. It's not just wham-bam sex for Japanese men, they appreciate the female body, have long foreplay, hit all the erogenous zones and make the woman feel like a princess. Like it's their honour to be in such presence. These men appreciate women and the sex they're about to have. Because of this, the working girls appreciate these men back. If you can choose which punters to go with, then why not choose ones who'll treat you right? And as guys we do the same. We would prefer picking a girl who wants to be with us because then the experience will be better.

What's the deal with ladies who "do not go with customer". A couple of nights ago, I got rejected by six ladies in a row telling me this, all in Soi Cowboy. Three in Spice Girls, two in Deja Vu, and one in Midnite. Why are they there? Don't know if this is engrish for "only go with japanese" or just "you are disgusting and I don't want to be with you" Most of them weren't shy about asking for tips though. The usual monger forum advice is to move on to the next one, there are a million other ladies literally in Bangkok, though it is a bit of a drag when your taste is extremely particular as mine is

Absolutely no problems whatsoever in Baccarat, Tilac, or Rainbow 4 or Rainbow 1 etc... Never heard any price higher than 2000 ST or 4000 LT quoted over many many ladies.

Just finished tonight bar fining not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 ladies tonight for long time including one Japanase lady (well four ladies, and one lady boy) who all met my specifications exactly although the Japanese lady and the lady boy bailed early so only short time for them (so only three ladies at the end)

Found out that Nana hotel has limit of 2 ladies in your room, if you want to bring more than two ladies into your room you have to go somewhere else like short time hotel in Nana Plaza.

Never let anybody convince you Bangkok is anything but the absolute best of the absolute best, if anybody tries to say otherwise run away quickly. I have been everywhere no other city is in the same league.

[QUOTE=Chill Out]I sit down, waive her, and tell her, picking the cutest girl in the line up without even bothering to make eye contact, "I want number 29. No drinks, no talk, no bullshit. I don't have time right now. Just tell her to get ready and we go. "

In retrospect I was probably too aggressive/edgy (a no-no in Thailand) but I was annoyed at that point. Anyway, no problem. The waitress nods that she understands. The girl comes down the line up, gets ready backstage, comes to pick me up at my table 5 mins later, and off we go.

I don't even think I bought a drink while I was waiting.

So the lesson here for complete newbies, is that doing it short and quick is possible. I adopted the same technique the following few nights. Sit, get ONE drink for myself, pick a girl, and bar fine her immediately. Almost no conversation in the venue.[/QUOTE]Hi Chill out,

Thanks for the very interesting report. I was wondering how the "point and choose" method worked out. Did the BG's perform well or were they starfishes? Did they seem put off by your method or O. K. With it. Also how much was the ST fee to the BG?

[QUOTE=Simian]Don't know if this is true but there is a rumour that Thai working girls refer to Japanese customers as "3-3-3s". Apparently it stands for 3 inches- 3 minutes - 3,000baht.[/QUOTE]I've always heard it as 555

[QUOTE=Blourghus]What's the deal with ladies who "do not go with customer". A couple of nights ago, I got rejected by six ladies in a row telling me this, all in Soi Cowboy. Three in Spice Girls, two in Deja Vu, and one in Midnite. Why are they there? Don't know if this is engrish for "only go with japanese" or just "you are disgusting and I don't want to be with you" Most of them weren't shy about asking for tips though. The usual monger forum advice is to move on to the next one, there are a million other ladies literally in Bangkok, though it is a bit of a drag when your taste is extremely particular as mine is[/quote]Coyotes are there to draw you in, ply you with more expensive drinks, and entertain you with the hopes you'll take one if the girls that go with customers. Coyotes are dressed differently than the girls that go with customers.Tilac, Shark! Bacarra, Rawhide, Long Gun, RB4 are some bars that haven't brought in coyotes.

What are good websites to meet thais?

Preferably free. And I know a long shot, I like them voluptuous.

Busty and plenty of booty.

Never been to Thailand.

[QUOTE=DriedUp]What are good websites to meet thais?

Preferably free. And I know a long shot, I like them voluptuous.

Busty and plenty of booty.

Never been to Thailand.[/QUOTE]

DriedUp,

Your last line "Never been to Thailand" was completely unnecessary, given that you are looking for "busty and plenty of booty." Beautiful, yes. Busty with booty...well, unlikely! But you gave me a smile today.

Good luck! ~TTG

Yes DriedUp, I think you should redirect your attention to the Sosua board.

[QUOTE=Applesauce]Japanese men, they appreciate the female body, have long foreplay, hit all the erogenous zones and make the woman feel like a princess.[/QUOTE]I'd like to keep reading but I'm do back on planet earth now.

[QUOTE=Applesauce]Do you really need to add racist stereotypes here? Let's talk about whites and blacks as well then.

There was a really good post here from months back where the poster had said that Japanese men really worship the female body. It's not just wham-bam sex for Japanese men, they appreciate the female body, have long foreplay, hit all the erogenous zones and make the woman feel like a princess. Like it's their honour to be in such presence. These men appreciate women and the sex they're about to have. Because of this, the working girls appreciate these men back. If you can choose which punters to go with, then why not choose ones who'll treat you right? And as guys we do the same. We would prefer picking a girl who wants to be with us because then the experience will be better.[/QUOTE]

....have to agree with first paragraph.....

....have to completely disagree with second paragraph, although it could be true on an individual basis....but surely not stereotypical.....with the women deciding the stereotype. The bottom line is pricing and less general hassle with a Japanese "customa". If you were a Thai sex worker and you had a choice between a heavily muscled, very tall, tattoo'd guy with a 9" cock and thick (who was trying to get LT for 1,000thb)....and a small Japanese guy with little body hair, similar size to the girl and having a punk rock dyed hair cut (offering the 3,000thb she was asking for)....who would you choose?


[QUOTE=DriedUp]

Preferably free.

Busty and plenty of booty.
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Oh....and thanks for the laugh!!

[QUOTE=Chill Out]I sit down, waive her, and tell her, picking the cutest girl in the line up without even bothering to make eye contact, "I want number 29. No drinks, no talk, no bullshit. I don't have time right now. Just tell her to get ready and we go. "

In retrospect I was probably too aggressive/edgy (a no-no in Thailand) but I was annoyed at that point. Anyway, no problem. The waitress nods that she understands. The girl comes down the line up, gets ready backstage, comes to pick me up at my table 5 mins later, and off we go.

.[/QUOTE]I guess this method can be done. But my question would is "whats the point of behaving like this. "?

Part of the joy of Christmas (remember that happy event before parts of World forgot it was Christian and got all touchy-feely towards minorities. Who didn't reciprocate LOL) was anticipating the possible gifts.

Looking at the shape and packaging and imagining what it might contain.

Going to a gogo bar is like that for some of us. Its fun and anticipatory.

Just diving in throwing off the wrapping papar in great haste seems to be missing the point. Been going to BKK for 25 years plus but still get a frisson of excitment every time I land in BKK and walk down Sukh towards Cowboy or Nana.

[QUOTE=Jackson]You already said it: Use a pre-paid/virtual credit card.

You can buy them at any Walmart.

I can't make it any more simple than that.[/QUOTE]Except that I, like a good chunk of your audience, do not live in the US :-) I'm in China. There are not virtual cards here. And I don't trust any of the online providers, not knowing them. If I had a Jackson-approved online provider (only takes you a bit of research and setting up), I would use that. This could add several grands a month to your bottom line. Just a suggestion.

[QUOTE=Monopoly]Thanks for the very interesting report. I was wondering how the "point and choose" method worked out. Did the BG's perform well or were they starfishes? Did they seem put off by your method or O. K. With it. Also how much was the ST fee to the BG?[/QUOTE]Tough question to answer because I'm a P4P beginner and I don't need anything special beside BBBJ and boom-boom, so my idea of "performance" might not be yours. But they all performed good. Only one insisted on CBJ, so I skipped the BJ. That could have been avoided by agreeing on the terms in the venue. That's probably what I'll do next time. I went a bit overboard by going 100% "point and choose". The middle ground is better as Booey pointed out, ie maybe buy her a quick drink, check for chemistry, agree on terms and go.

For the fee, I'm not sure I remember. I believe I paid 1500 to the girl and 600 barfine.

[QUOTE=Pita123]I've always heard it as 555[/QUOTE]I agree with Simian, I've heard that the Japanese and Korean customers are refered to as the 333s.

[QUOTE=Applesauce]Japanese men really worship the female body. It's not just wham-bam sex for Japanese men, they appreciate the female body, have long foreplay, hit all the erogenous zones and make the woman feel like a princess. Like it's their honour to be in such presence. These men appreciate women and the sex they're about to have. Because of this, the working girls appreciate these men back. If you can choose which punters to go with, then why not choose ones who'll treat you right? And as guys we do the same. We would prefer picking a girl who wants to be with us because then the experience will be better.[/QUOTE]With due respect for my friends near and far from Japan:

OMG are shitting me? You should hear the way Japanese guys put the bar/massage girls down in the evenings over dinner & drinks. They are vulgar, viscous, loutish and petty, far more so than the bulk of farangs, Indians, Arabs, or Chinese ever are. I accept it because I sort of understand that this is part of the naughty boy way of blowing off steam. Just a guy thing.

On the other hand, Japanese guys, by & large, are good customers, pay what the chick asks for, are quiet, friendly, and have a tendency to frequent the same girl over and over again. To prefer them is is simply good business on the chick's part. However, they are NOT preferred as bed partners whatsoever, not at all.

Anyway, the "see-see-see" (4-4-4) joke has been floating around for over 20 years now, not even remotely funny, nor even pertinent any more, (if it ever was.)

Hi,

I'll be in Bangkok next November for my first time. I wil lbe there 4-5 days and I'd like to visti the city and of course enjoy with the beauty of the place. I don't know if book a cutie from an agency (which one is better?) and keep her maybe for 2 days when she can give a good service in the bed and as touring guide or choose on the place one girl from some bars. How do you advise me?

Thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Applesauce]

There was a really good post here from months back where the poster had said that Japanese men really worship the female body. It's not just wham-bam sex for Japanese men, they appreciate the female body, have long foreplay, hit all the erogenous zones and make the woman feel like a princess. Like it's their honour to be in such presence. These men appreciate women and the sex they're about to have. Because of this, the working girls appreciate these men back. If you can choose which punters to go with, then why not choose ones who'll treat you right? And as guys we do the same. We would prefer picking a girl who wants to be with us because then the experience will be better.[/QUOTE]

This may be the silliest comment I have read in ages! First talk to the girls about Japanese men and it all comes down to time and money - not much of the first and a lot of the second - or just observe how long women take when they go with Japanese customers. Generally it runs to less than 30 minutes and that is including showering and undressing - heck - even in Japanese pornos the men are small and don't last long. And as a more scientific data point - they did a study a few years ago that measured men's sexual appetite by nation and woman's sexual satisfation - and the Japanese male came close to dead last. "Make a woman feel like a Princess". Good grief. Only with gold with these girls.

[QUOTE=Blourghus]
Found out that Nana hotel has limit of 2 ladies in your room, if you want to bring more than two ladies into your room you have to go somewhere else like short time hotel in nana plaza. [/QUOTE]

Or a 100 baht to the security man. There is one legendary fellow who often stays at the Nana who brings in 4 girls twice a night. Not an eyebrow is raised but money passes hands.