Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Igor54;2643118]You should study website statistics. There are 100 times more men than pussies on dating sites.[/QUOTE][URL]https://heavy.com/tech/2014/07/seeking-arrangement-sugar-daddy-dating-website-alix-catherine-tichelman/[/URL]

The site consists of about 700,000 sugar daddies and sugar mommas, with 2. 3 million "babies. ".

[QUOTE=Igor54;2643118]what if she say that you raped her or tried, despite of your "most likely" . By default, if she files raping, police has to close you. And you cell mates, don't like gringos who rape their sisters, GF, and just any Colombian women.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57553316[/URL]

Ms Acosta filed a report with the police but many victims are reluctant to report cases of sexual violence because so few perpetrators ever get punished. According to Sisma Mujer, 90% of reports of sexual violence filed in 2020 - including that of Ms Acosta. Have not progressed past the initial inquiry stage.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2643118]Any woman online has a goal = to get married, or immigrate to USA, or get some money, or find a sugar daddy, etc. And most likely her goal is not suck your dick in the hope that you'll pay her.[/QUOTE]Doesn't every action have a goal? And you stayed at the San Francisco hotel in Santa Fe and pounded out Santa Fe hos. There is nothing wrong with that, but you have no idea of the type of women I have met. Unlike the Santa Fe hos, the women I want have jobs or are in school and would never dream of making a living on their back.

And Igor, I saw you are Russian. Is it the custom there to have women give out blow jobs only after they are married? If so, that would explain why on average the men die in Russia 10 years before the women.

[QUOTE=Kib123;2643275]My friend, you need to travel some more, and experience more women. Your assessment could not be further from the reality.[/QUOTE]I can't travel more because I have almost traveled all over the world. Experimenting with more women maybe you're right, but I don't care it.

Most of you only fuck pro girls and you have even less experience than me.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2643306][URL]https://heavy.com/tech/2014/07/seeking-arrangement-sugar-daddy-dating-website-alix-catherine-tichelman/[/URL]

The site consists of about 700,000 sugar daddies and sugar mommas, with 2. 3 million "babies. ".

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-57553316[/URL]

Ms Acosta filed a report with the police but many victims are reluctant to report cases of sexual violence because so few perpetrators ever get punished. According to Sisma Mujer, 90% of reports of sexual violence filed in 2020 - including that of Ms Acosta. Have not progressed past the initial inquiry stage.

Doesn't every action have a goal? And you stayed at the San Francisco hotel in Santa Fe and pounded out Santa Fe hos. There is nothing wrong with that, but you have no idea of the type of women I have met. Unlike the Santa Fe hos, the women I want have jobs or are in school and would never dream of making a living on their back.

And Igor, I saw you are Russian. Is it the custom there to have women give out blow jobs only after they are married? If so, that would explain why on average the men die in Russia 10 years before the women.[/QUOTE]You speak theoretically and real life could be different.

#1 if there are so many sugar babies, why the prices so high. It is economics the offer is much more= prices go down. I fucked a few women from the dating sites, they get dayly messages from more than 50 pussy seekers and to reply it is a full time job.

#2 For the police / locals / court / your local lawyer / etc a gringo rape is different comparing with the domestic rape. It is outstanding case and they will do their best. An average Colombian girl has no idea, most likely, how they handle rape cases. If she file rape, any Colombian will be happy to help her and don't think that if a woman goes to your place she does not have a back up. She is local and you are not.

#3 In any case, your conclusions about any woman are based on the info she give you and nothing more and you can't check it. I can say that I am a Santa Claus and some people (at least children) can believe that.

#4 Men in Russia live less because of alcohol and they kill each other too often.

#5 For all who think that, if you are a US / Canadian / or other rich country citizen. Don't think that the law works the same as in you country.

#6 If someone think that he is too smart, strong, cool, etc that could be a problem. For you.

#7 Many people travel to Colombia to fuck many quality girls in one trip, but some people need romance and they want to spend their time to pick up one woman. If I need just one woman, I can find and offer my two week travel budget to Bogota money to a student in Toronto. $3000+ and have a romance for one month. There are many non pro students who say yes for 3000 $ a month.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2642771]I like that you brought 3 women back no problem at Ibis. I was wondering if they were still good with visitors. It is nice to know they are.

I do not know if you saw on the Medellin forum where Paulie and Mr. E were talking about wearing shorts. Paulie said you are a target if you wear shorts and Mr. E said that was dumb; they can tell you are a foreigner and know when you are a monger when you bring back loads of women to your hotel. I honestly thought Paulie's comment was off because I have people speak English to me before I have said anything. Even if you speak Spanish, there are different accents. Point is that most people know we are mongers.

I have hotels call me after a girl leaves and asks if everything is okay all the time. So I think hotels mark down when someone comes in and out even if they do not call you though. Then you see enough women if you work there and you would recognize their faces. How many hos are there realistically at Santa Fe? 200? When you see them come in and out all the time and stay an hour or so, you know. Also Colombians can pick out not just American and Venezuelans easily but lower class Colombians.
[/QUOTE]The 3 different women were 1 at a time and just before Covid hit. My last trip I was wifed up, so only 1 woman at a time and it was the same woman. Don't want to mislead you. I did see the post on the Medellin forum, but I did not bother with it. I'm a 6'1 250 pound white guy who does not tan. I stick out, so it is pretty obvious I am a tourist and therefore a target. There's no hiding me no matter what I wear, so I dress to be comfortable during the day and dress well for evening fun.

When I go into Sante Fe, I am as discrete as possible and take some precautions, like a money belt that I wear inside my jeans. Wallet and credit cards stay in the safe, along with any excess cash. I bring only what I need and if I get robbed, then can have what's in my pocket. I don't wear a watch or any other jewelry and I dress down. Hardly foolproof, but in 10+ years of visiting foreign countries, I've been pickpocketed once for 40 soles in Peru and was almost carjacked in Peru, but my taxi driver was a wizard and avoided the jackers without hitting any of them. He got a very good tip for his efforts.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2642762]Although you may feel invisible, they see everything. That is their job. I was just watching an episode of the cartoon Archer the other day. They checked in to a hotel in Japan and he was wondering how they knew so much about him and his uncle that had been there many times before. The receptionist told him that they see everything. So you are not the first to think you were not being seen when you actually were.[/QUOTE]True, although I am very discrete and do not draw attention to myself. I just found it odd and it made me wonder how much hotel guests are being surveilled. I can't imagine they have software that maps faces to checked in status, although it would not surprise me in the least if some high end hotels in the world make use of software like this. They must be watching people really closely to know who is checked in and who is not. Makes me wonder about hidden cameras and where they are. One of the reasons I do apartments for longer stays and have a chat with the porter, if there is one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2643306]Doesn't every action have a goal? And you stayed at the San Francisco hotel in Santa Fe and pounded out Santa Fe hos. There is nothing wrong with that, but you have no idea of the type of women I have met. Unlike the Santa Fe hos, the women I want have jobs or are in school and would never dream of making a living on their back. [/QUOTE]In my experience, women that are working (career) professionals, like lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc are the best SA / Dating Site hookups. They do this to get a taste of the TV / Movie / Instagram influencer lifestyle, because they can't do it on their own dime.

I met a School Teacher on Tinder the last time I went down there, and after the first night, all she really wanted was to go out to nice places to eat, take a bunch of selfies in at the Hotel I was staying, and show off how someone was pampering her.

[QUOTE=ClownDays;2643541]In my experience, women that are working (career) professionals, like lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc are the best SA / Dating Site hookups. They do this to get a taste of the TV / Movie / Instagram influencer lifestyle, because they can't do it on their own dime.

I met a School Teacher on Tinder the last time I went down there, and after the first night, all she really wanted was to go out to nice places to eat, take a bunch of selfies in at the Hotel I was staying, and show off how someone was pampering her.[/QUOTE]Exactly CD, and I will say something else by the time you pay for flights, get Covid tested ETC other countries like Mexico are the same price and quality. What is good in the pro world about Colombia is not the hos. The hos in other Latin countries are much better. Paraguay, Brazil, even Argentina are all better than Colombia. What Colombia has going for it in the pro world is how cheap they are in a few places.

The real beauty of Colombia is the women like that teacher or the professionals you mentioned. When you have a Colombian woman who is into you, they cannot get enough of your dick, and they are so generous with all that they do. To me, that is what is special about Colombia. So I agree. Whatever site you use, SA, Tinder, Cupid, the goal should be to find one of these professional type women.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2643469]If there are so many sugar babies, why the prices so high. It is economics the offer is much more= prices go down.[/QUOTE]I pay girls prices. I give gifts to SBs. If you had game, you would know what I mean.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2643469]For the police / locals / court / your local lawyer / etc a gringo rape is different comparing with the domestic rape. It is outstanding case and they will do their best. An average Colombian girl has no idea, most likely, how they handle rape cases.[/QUOTE]If you really feel this way, you should have women sign consent forms when you were in Santa Fe, and we both know you did not. So why bring it up?

[QUOTE=Igor54;2643469]If someone think that he is too smart, strong, cool, etc that could be a problem For you.[/QUOTE]That is funny I thought the problem was more my lack of confidence early on than being overconfident, and I was there. I think that statement has more to do with your fear than my confidence.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2643469]I can find and offer my two week travel budget to Bogota money to a student in Toronto. $3000+ and have a romance for one month. There are many non pro students who say yes for 3000 $ a month.[/QUOTE]$3000 a month? Canada? Say what?

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[QUOTE=Igor54;2643469]You speak theoretically and real life could be different.

#1 if there are so many sugar babies, why the prices so high. It is economics the offer is much more= prices go down. I fucked a few women from the dating sites, they get dayly messages from more than 50 pussy seekers and to reply it is a full time job.

#.[/QUOTE]It is good that those "street sweeties" aka ho's are there for you and on demand 24/7. (yes I've done them also when bored) When years go by will your memories be anywhere close to mine? Nada. And OMG prices on the streets are far different than a 5 star restaurants where you can get extremely good service. "you are what you eat" I know totally inappropriate. But sometimes this board is a bunch of bickering, waste of brain cells. Go have some fun! I do agree with Elvis that talking about our 5 star experiences here only brings up misconstrued replies. Stay away from champagne, beer is available everywhere. I have said this before Kinda) . There should be a separate ISG section for street tacos and 5 star food. Ok let's hear the replies.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2643916]It is good that those "street sweeties" aka ho's are there for you and on demand 24/7. (yes I've done them also when bored) When years go by will your memories be anywhere close to mine? Nada. And OMG prices on the streets are far different than a 5 star restaurants where you can get extremely good service. "you are what you eat" I know totally inappropriate. But sometimes this board is a bunch of bickering, waste of brain cells. Go have some fun! I do agree with Elvis that talking about our 5 star experiences here only brings up misconstrued replies. Stay away from champagne, beer is available everywhere. I have said this before Kinda) . There should be a separate ISG section for street tacos and 5 star food. Ok let's hear the replies.[/QUOTE]Probably, that is your subjective opinion. I am 60 year old and saw maybe 1500 more likely 2000 girls in my life. Everything depends on your scale. You need to read something quality on psychology and neuroscience. But I am perfectly fine if you think that you have 5 star experience. In five star restaurants people don't look for fine foods. Food is just a food to make you full and provide energy. People look there to raise their self-esteem, when someone (waiter) lick your ass (in the hope to get nice tip) and inside they feel. But they need the money and this is their job. And some people buy it and feel like Donald Tramp because their everyday life sucks. If someone thinks that soccer mums, pure students, house wives, etc have a problem to find a dick in Colombia, probably they are wrong. Average Colombian 10 times more attractive / fit than average fat USA person (if you want accept that or not). In addition, if someone think that there are not rich people in Colombia to fuck quality girls, this could be a mistake. If you are capable, you can estimate any dating site. Don't buy fake numbers you see on the internet. This is nothing more than paid advertisement to bring new visitors / paid customers. If someone think that he is the supper man, I don't mind. I think their opinion is based on the porn they are watching.

[QUOTE=ClownDays;2643541]In my experience, women that are working (career) professionals, like lawyers, nurses, teachers, etc are the best SA / Dating Site hookups. They do this to get a taste of the TV / Movie / Instagram influencer lifestyle, because they can't do it on their own dime.

I met a School Teacher on Tinder the last time I went down there, and after the first night, all she really wanted was to go out to nice places to eat, take a bunch of selfies in at the Hotel I was staying, and show off how someone was pampering her.[/QUOTE]I am happy for you. This sounds like, Tom Cruse is visiting Colombia. Do you give them your sighed cards?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2643641]Exactly CD, and I will say something else by the time you pay for flights, get Covid tested ETC other countries like Mexico are the same price and quality. What is good in the pro world about Colombia is not the hos. The hos in other Latin countries are much better. Paraguay, Brazil, even Argentina are all better than Colombia. What Colombia has going for it in the pro world is how cheap they are in a few places.

The real beauty of Colombia is the women like that teacher or the professionals you mentioned. When you have a Colombian woman who is into you, they cannot get enough of your dick, and they are so generous with all that they do. To me, that is what is special about Colombia. So I agree. Whatever site you use, SA, Tinder, Cupid, the goal should be to find one of these professional type women.[/QUOTE]I like them young and fresh, ideally in the 18-23 yo range. Most of the girls of this age are unemployed, or have shitty low paying job, or study, and many live with their parents. Let's be realistic here, 95%+ SA girls in MDE and BOG of that age are hos, they expect to get paid, because nobody wants to fuck an old gringo fart for free. If they just want to get a good dick and not get paid, they have plenty of options among their Colombian peers. Hooking up with the above mentioned professionals is doable only if you are okay with dating older women, not the hottest ones, most likely divorced and with kids. You also need to be ready to invest some time in those women as many won't fuck you on the first date. Average gringo monger coming to Colombia is average or below average looking, usually out of shape, older dude who has limited time and budget. Dating a professional is not even feasible to them, and the language barrier makes it even worse. Unless you speak Spanish, look fit, are relatively young, spend a lot of time in Colombia and have some disposable cash, dating a hot freebies / non-pro who "can't get enough of your dick" is impossible. Again, I'm talking about an average monger. Elvis, if you can pull it off, congrats, good for you, but I'm sure your situation is different and you are not an average gringo coming down to Colombia for a few days. So suggesting not to discuss price / gifts upfront, or not offer to pay (in other words, treating them like they are not hos but regular women) won't get a monger laid, simply because the girls will not be interested in meeting, that's the reality.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2644144]I am happy for you. This sounds like, Tom Cruse is visiting Colombia. Do you give them your sighed cards?[/QUOTE]No. Just spent a good deal of money that week, and it was completely worth it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2644169]Elvis, if you can pull it off, congrats, good for you, but I'm sure your situation is different and you are not an average gringo coming down to Colombia for a few days. So suggesting not to discuss price / gifts upfront, or not offer to pay (in other words, treating them like they are not hos but regular women) won't get a monger laid, simply because the girls will not be interested in meeting, that's the reality.[/QUOTE]Elvis2008 is a guy who takes 2 or 3 girls at time with him to Cancun, which suggests he is in a different league financially than the typical monger. I think if I were a girl, I would be interested in having someone like him as a boyfriend.

For my first visit to Bogota, I focused on the low end. I was curious as to just how cheaply sex could be had with a decently attractive girl. After some searching, I found a girl in Santa Fe who would do a rato for 27 K COP. However, the sex was rushed and impersonal.

I'm planning to try to spend more money on my next visit to hopefully have better experiences, and, eventually, I would like to be more like Elvis2008 and focus on doing fun things like taking girls to Cancun. I realize that just a one-way flight from Bogota to Cancun costs more than 20 times my 27 K rato in Santa Fe and one also has to consider the cost of the hotel, restaurants, ground transportation, the various tourist attractions in Cancun, and the return flight, but it sounds like it could be a wonderful experience.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2644233]Elvis2008 is a guy who takes 2 or 3 girls at time with him to Cancun, which suggests he is in a different league financially than the typical monger. I think if I were a girl, I would be interested in having someone like him as a boyfriend.

For my first visit to Bogota, I focused on the low end. I was curious as to just how cheaply sex could be had with a decently attractive girl. After some searching, I found a girl in Santa Fe who would do a rato for 27 K COP. However, the sex was rushed and impersonal.

I'm planning to try to spend more money on my next visit to hopefully have better experiences, and, eventually, I would like to be more like Elvis2008 and focus on doing fun things like taking girls to Cancun. I realize that just a one-way flight from Bogota to Cancun costs more than 20 times my 27 K rato in Santa Fe and one also has to consider the cost of the hotel, restaurants, ground transportation, the various tourist attractions in Cancun, and the return flight, but it sounds like it could be a wonderful experience.[/QUOTE]Ah, okay, that makes a lot of sense now. Guys like Elvis and Steve (from the SA thread) seem to be the epitome of a sugar daddy and therefore can pull off the stuff that others can't. Girls think there is no need to discuss money with them because they are sure they will be taken care of. A girl that normally charges 300 mil cop for a date, thinks her payoff will be much higher when she comes across a guy who she thinks is very successful. It just makes no sense to put a price tag on a pussy, knowing that a hundred bucks for a rich gringo is peanuts.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2644258]Ah, okay, that makes a lot of sense now. Guys like Elvis and Steve (from the SA thread) seem to be the epitome of a sugar daddy and therefore can pull off the stuff that others can't. Girls think there is no need to discuss money with them because they are sure they will be taken care of. A girl that normally charges 300 mil cop for a date, thinks her payoff will be much higher when she comes across a guy who she thinks is very successful. It just makes no sense to put a price tag on a pussy, knowing that a hundred bucks for a rich gringo is peanuts.[/QUOTE]I totally get that. The same way he is thinking he will get a better experience if he does not talk about money, she is thinking she will get more money if she does not talk about money.

When I negotiate I want to know where they are coming from first. Worst thing for me to do is offer $100 when they might have only asked for $50. Worst thing for one of those chicks to do is offer themselves for $50 when a guy they think will "take care of them" may he handing out $100 at the end. Both sides are playing the let's just see where this thing leads game.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2644233]I'm planning to try to spend more money on my next visit to hopefully have better experiences, and, eventually, I would like to be more like Elvis2008 and focus on doing fun things like taking girls to Cancun. I realize that just a one-way flight from Bogota to Cancun costs more than 20 times my 27 K rato in Santa Fe [/QUOTE]Take them to San Andres instead. You are not getting anything extra for taking them all the way to Cancun, except maybe a pat on the head and her telling you who's a good boy. You will be fucking on the same pussy no matter where it is.

If I am inviting a chick that is not a normal girlfriend to go somewhere, then it is for my benefit. It is somewhere that I do not know and want to check out and want company along the way. It is not somewhere that I have been a million times and the only benefit is hers for the experience that she may otherwise not have had.

A vast amount of the girls I see never mention money But if your in SF or Pussyhouse or mezzanine for that mater, price will always be discussed. Most of my girls have a job, are professional. Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestige universities. Bringing a few inexpensive gifts like VS lotion, some lingerie, a toy for her kid. This has been working for me for years. It puts the relation on a different level. Most of the time I get girl.

Friend sex, not pro sex for an hour. I was accused by one newbie on this site of lying because I get BBBJ because he could not make it happen. Some guys like the 40 min pay as you go service in places like SF or Vila Mimosa if that's your thing, go for it but the venues are very different and if you treat a educated, professional girl better and let her save face by not treating her like working girl BEFORE you get in bed the experience can be over the top. This type of mongering is not for everybody, this thread has been hijacked, for the most part by the SF crowd and that's ok some guys want quantity, some guys GF session. Most times I go out to dinner with my girl after playtime. Maybe not your thing, There is an ass for every seat. Happy Trails.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644366]A vast amount of the girls I see never mention money But if your in SF or Pussyhouse or mezzanine for that mater, price will always be discussed. Most of my girls have a job, are professional. Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestige universities. Bringing a few inexpensive gifts like VS lotion, some lingerie, a toy for her kid. This has been working for me for years. It puts the relation on a different level. Most of the time I get girl.

Friend sex, not pro sex for an hour. I was accused by one newbie on this site of lying because I get BBBJ because he could not make it happen. Some guys like the 40 min pay as you go service in places like SF or Vila Mimosa if that's your thing, go for it but the venues are very different and if you treat a educated, professional girl better and let her save face by not treating her like working girl BEFORE you get in bed the experience can be over the top. This type of mongering is not for everybody, this thread has been hijacked, for the most part by the SF crowd and that's ok some guys want quantity, some guys GF session. Most times I go out to dinner with my girl after playtime. Maybe not your thing, There is an ass for every seat. Happy Trails.[/QUOTE]Please LatinaLover#1 tell us down-to-earth mongers what your tricks are, what do those upper class girls see in you: are you athletic, good looking, young, rich, smart, open minded, well endowed? Do you make them laugh? Do you speak perfect spanish or portuguese? Do you dance salsa well? I thought those girls would rather have a local guy with all those gifts to go out with...

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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2643641]Exactly CD, and I will say something else by the time you pay for flights, get Covid tested ETC other countries like Mexico are the same price and quality. What is good in the pro world about Colombia is not the hos. The hos in other Latin countries are much better. Paraguay, Brazil, even Argentina are all better than Colombia. What Colombia has going for it in the pro world is how cheap they are in a few places.

The real beauty of Colombia is the women like that teacher or the professionals you mentioned. When you have a Colombian woman who is into you, they cannot get enough of your dick, and they are so generous with all that they do. To me, that is what is special about Colombia. So I agree. Whatever site you use, SA, Tinder, Cupid, the goal should be to find one of these professional type women.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2643916]It is good that those "street sweeties" aka ho's are there for you and on demand 24/7. (yes I've done them also when bored) When years go by will your memories be anywhere close to mine? Nada. And OMG prices on the streets are far different than a 5 star restaurants where you can get extremely good service. "you are what you eat" I know totally inappropriate. But sometimes this board is a bunch of bickering, waste of brain cells. Go have some fun! I do agree with Elvis that talking about our 5 star experiences here only brings up misconstrued replies. Stay away from champagne, beer is available everywhere. I have said this before Kinda) . There should be a separate ISG section for street tacos and 5 star food. Ok let's hear the replies.[/QUOTE]What is the difference to buy online pussy, Usaquen or Santa Fe? The price and maybe more advanced show for you because she has more experience (sucked more dicks in her career).

#1 People who eat fine food in five star restaurants and drink champagne on regular basis don't mention that as something special to enjoy.

#2 How many interviews do you conduct before to get a web Cinderella? Are you sure that she is the one? Ask her for a non reward date, no money just because of you. Pay her $100 to see her online communication and her papi's contacts / texting on her phone. Just don't be too jealous.

#3 The working workflow is: if you like the girl, do short term. You like her repeat and pay her good $$ she will be 5 star+.

#4 When I see a girl, I leave in the moment, Just a fuck. If she is good, repeat. I don't create emotional movies in my head. I don't need memories because I can't and don't need to remember all my meals.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2644425]Please LatinaLover#1 tell us down-to-earth mongers what your tricks are, what do those upper class girls see in you: are you athletic, good looking, young, rich, smart, open minded, well endowed? Do you make them laugh? Do you speak perfect spanish or portuguese? Do you dance salsa well? I thought those girls would rather have a local guy with all those gifts to go out with...[/QUOTE]Their memoirs are based on porn movies they watch.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2644337]Take them to San Andres instead. You are not getting anything extra for taking them all the way to Cancun, except maybe a pat on the head and her telling you who's a good boy. You will be fucking on the same pussy no matter where it is.

If I am inviting a chick that is not a normal girlfriend to go somewhere, then it is for my benefit. It is somewhere that I do not know and want to check out and want company along the way. It is not somewhere that I have been a million times and the only benefit is hers for the experience that she may otherwise not have had.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Cancun, so I would like to see it myself, preferably with a companion, but I'll keep your suggestion of San Andres in mind.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2642762]Although you may feel invisible, they see everything. That is their job. I was just watching an episode of the cartoon Archer the other day. They checked in to a hotel in Japan and he was wondering how they knew so much about him and his uncle that had been there many times before. The receptionist told him that they see everything. So you are not the first to think you were not being seen when you actually were.[/QUOTE]It is a pattern. They see it every day /365 days a year. And it's their profession. Or they know your amor, because they saw her with other men.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2644233]Elvis2008 is a guy who takes 2 or 3 girls at time with him to Cancun.[/QUOTE]That is better, but you are still not there. Do you need to be a millionaire to come across as one? You stay in a $70 hotel versus a $30 one, wear a suit, order a glass of wine smell it, swirl it, and inspect it before you drink it and act like you do that all the time. Miami Boy is stuck on the $100 thing. Yes, that is what the hos are interested in. I am not interested in them as a sugar baby.

What do daddies really do? Yes, they pay for their daughters but what else? You do not want your daughter to be a WG. You want to guide her to make her own money and be a millionaire right? So why offer up $100 versus the million dollar dream? The dream is cheaper than the $100, and all you have to do is listen to their dream and come up with better options that they as a young person may not have thought of. A WG does not have a plan or dreams. She is just looking for her next trick.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2644233]I think if I were a girl, I would be interested in having someone like him as a boyfriend.[/QUOTE]That is good, but why am I interested in having you as a GF or sugar baby? You are 25, cute, young guys are after you, and you really would like a daddy to spoil you? Get the fuck out of here! You think you are special, but you are a dime a dozen ho. You think you are letting me fuck you? I have better looking and better in bed than you a phone call away. That is reality, sweetie, do not let the door hit your ass on the way out. Oh wait, I am sorry. You are good for something. Here is a $100 now suck my dick and then leave!

On occasion, I will have to explain the SB process to women, but the smart ones, the ones I want, know it is an audition, and they are looking to impress me.

But you should not expect that. I am not sure about Miamiboy's 95% of them are WGs, but if that is the case, then I am interested in the 5% that are not, and I want the top portion of that 5%. Out of the 10,000 women on the site from Bogota, probably 100 would be SB material for me.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644366]A vast amount of the girls I see never mention money But if your in SF or Pussyhouse or mezzanine for that mater, price will always be discussed. Most of my girls have a job, are professional. Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestige universities. Bringing a few inexpensive gifts like VS lotion, some lingerie, a toy for her kid. This has been working for me for years. It puts the relation on a different level. Most of the time I get girl.

Some guys like the 40 min pay as you go service in places like SF or Vila Mimosa if that's your thing, go for it but the venues are very different and if you treat a educated, professional girl better and let her save face by not treating her like working girl BEFORE you get in bed the experience can be over the top. This type of mongering is not for everybody.[/QUOTE]This is a great post written by someone with real game. Miamiboy, you mentioned average guys in your post. Average guys should not be using Seeking or be sugar daddies! They should be seeing WGs.

Look at LL. He buys little Maria a $2 ball and goes to the park and plays with her. When he is not around, Maria is asking him about him. Next time he sees mommy, Maria runs at him screaming, "LL, I missed you so much. " Now mommy is thinking of LL as a father figure. She then asks, "How about I cook you dinner and after that I suck your dick LL?" That is how you fucking do it. That is how you play the game.

And mommy is sure as hell going to suck the dick of a potential step father a lot better than some guy giving her a $100 and a consent form.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644366]A vast amount of the girls I see never mention money But if your in SF or Pussyhouse or mezzanine for that mater, price will always be discussed. Most of my girls have a job, are professional. Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestige universities. Bringing a few inexpensive gifts like VS lotion, some lingerie, a toy for her kid. This has been working for me for years. It puts the relation on a different level. Most of the time I get girl.

Friend sex, not pro sex for an hour. I was accused by one newbie on this site of lying because I get BBBJ because he could not make it happen. Some guys like the 40 min pay as you go service in places like SF or Vila Mimosa if that's your thing, go for it but the venues are very different and if you treat a educated, professional girl better and let her save face by not treating her like working girl BEFORE you get in bed the experience can be over the top. This type of mongering is not for everybody, this thread has been hijacked, for the most part by the SF crowd and that's ok some guys want quantity, some guys GF session. Most times I go out to dinner with my girl after playtime. Maybe not your thing, There is an ass for every seat. Happy Trails.[/QUOTE]This is also my modus operandi and has been working for me for years. I do what works for and pleases me.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2644468]I haven't been to Cancun, so I would like to see it myself, preferably with a companion, but I'll keep your suggestion of San Andres in mind.[/QUOTE]Trim, it is not easy getting Colombian girls into Mexico. The first time the woman travels I suggest you go with her from Colombia unless she has been to Mexico before. Cancun is way more fun than San Andreas but it is no fun if the women gets detained, and I have had that happen twice.

American is now flying to San Andreas from Miami and you do not have to worry about customs with her. Unless the woman has been to Mexico or you can go with her from Colombia, I think that is a safer move. When I did the trip with three gals, I flew with the Colombian one from Bogota myself.

[QUOTE=Tavares;2644425]Please LatinaLover#1 tell us down-to-earth mongers what your tricks are, what do those upper class girls see in you: are you athletic, good looking, young, rich, smart, open minded, well endowed? Do you make them laugh? Do you speak perfect spanish or portuguese? Do you dance salsa well? I thought those girls would rather have a local guy with all those gifts to go out with...[/QUOTE]All of those things help of course. I'm Not young. Anymore jaja, Self employed so I could travel at will. If I'm somewhere with music I can dance Meringue, Cumbia and Salsa, tried Salsa in Cali but forget it, the Salsa was too fast for me in Cali. Passable Espanole Some Portuguese, it gets better the longer my trip to Brazil gets. I once worked with a guy a great salesman. He was short, fat, pocked marked face but I would be amazed at the hot women he could move out. He would do it over and over. When he finally got married it was to a very hot, younger woman. I asked him how he did it and he said.

" just give me 10 minutes to talk away my face".

You either got game or you don't. Looks get you so far. I've been with beautiful women that after 5 minutes I couldn't get away fast enough. The same for a woman, they have to WANT to be around you, it's no bag of tricks, it's not all about the money, it may be the initial attraction women have to notice you but you have to be able to converse about what ever comes up. Canned raps get old fast. The problem for some guys when traveling is if your an gringo asshole in the states, your still an asshole in Latin America the only difference is your an asshole gringo with money. Open you mouth when you see a woman you like, I once dated a girl who worked in El Dorado, she was asking me the usual questions, did you pack your bag, was your bag with you the entire time bla bla bla. I started flirting and playing around with her, got her number and met up with her the next month when I returned to Bogota. Obtainable women are everywhere in Bogota, waitress, working in th hotel, waiting for a bus, ask for help in Carulla. I once dated a hot woman, 30 ish selling bikinis on the beach in Copa. So there are a million stories in the naked city you just need to get out there and make it happen.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644566]All of those things help of course. I'm Not young. Anymore jaja, Self employed so I could travel at will. If I'm somewhere with music I can dance Meringue, Cumbia and Salsa, tried Salsa in Cali but forget it, the Salsa was too fast for me in Cali. Passable Espanole Some Portuguese, it gets better the longer my trip to Brazil gets. I once worked with a guy a great salesman. He was short, fat, pocked marked face but I would be amazed at the hot women he could move out. He would do it over and over. When he finally got married it was to a very hot, younger woman. I asked him how he did it and he said." just give me 10 minutes to talk away my face".You either got game or you don't. Looks get you so far..[/QUOTE]The guys I've seen over the years that scored a lot of women were much better listeners than talkers. Listening was the key, and yes looks seemed to be less important.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644566]All of those things help of course. I'm Not young. Anymore jaja, Self employed so I could travel at will. If I'm somewhere with music I can dance Meringue, Cumbia and Salsa, tried Salsa in Cali but forget it, the Salsa was too fast for me in Cali. Passable Espanole Some Portuguese, it gets better the longer my trip to Brazil gets. I once worked with a guy a great salesman. He was short, fat, pocked marked face but I would be amazed at the hot women he could move out. He would do it over and over. When he finally got married it was to a very hot, younger woman. I asked him how he did it and he said.

" just give me 10 minutes to talk away my face".

You either got game or you don't. Looks get you so far. I've been with beautiful women that after 5 minutes I couldn't get away fast enough. The same for a woman, they have to WANT to be around you, it's no bag of tricks, it's not all about the money, it may be the initial attraction women have to notice you but you have to be able to converse about what ever comes up. Canned raps get old fast. The problem for some guys when traveling is if your an gringo asshole in the states, your still an asshole in Latin America the only difference is your an asshole gringo with money. Open you mouth when you see a woman you like, I once dated a girl who worked in El Dorado, she was asking me the usual questions, did you pack your bag, was your bag with you the entire time bla bla bla. I started flirting and playing around with her, got her number and met up with her the next month when I returned to Bogota. Obtainable women are everywhere in Bogota, waitress, working in th hotel, waiting for a bus, ask for help in Carulla. I once dated a hot woman, 30 ish selling bikinis on the beach in Copa. So there are a million stories in the naked city you just need to get out there and make it happen.[/QUOTE]How long does it take for you to get a girl? Your timescale. In my experience, a normal woman does not spread her legs on the first date just because she want to make an impression that she is not a working girl. If someone travel somewhere to have a sex, they don't have time to play love games, the only option is to buy sex. If someone good to pick up girls they don't need to travel anywhere, there are many quality girls in your city, if they are getting wet when they see you, why to bother? Do you have anything to say?

[QUOTE=Tavares;2644425]Please LatinaLover#1 tell us down-to-earth mongers what your tricks are, what do those upper class girls see in you: are you athletic, good looking, young, rich, smart, open minded, well endowed? Do you make them laugh? Do you speak perfect spanish or portuguese? Do you dance salsa well? I thought those girls would rather have a local guy with all those gifts to go out with...[/QUOTE]Tavares, you are asking the wrong question. What do you really want? Get rid of the Bud Light image of two babes on your arm and a can of beer. Or let's go easier. What are deal breakers for you? On money, I want a woman who appreciates my generosity but can step in and take over or make it on her own if I cannot provide for her for a short time. Some guys are insecure and want women to be completely dependent on them because they like that level of control. Which type are you?

With sex, I want a woman who does not tell me no and who sucks my cock because she loves to. A lot of women have a caring gene. They literally got high when caring for you. They gets just as much pleasure sucking your dick as you do getting it. I want that. I usually like to control the action in bed but again I do not mind if the woman takes over on occasion. Some guys want complete control. Some want none.

My #1 criteria for a woman is that she makes me feel good sexually and emotionally. I know this cannot be a 100% thing but if I have woman causing more stress, shaming me, ETC, they need to go.

The reason I like seeking / SA is that the women there are open to going out with a foreign guy and an older guy where money is probably more important to them than looks and I want a target rich environment. My goal is not to have a bunch of women but the best woman / women I can get.

Did you ever see the movie Tootsie? Dustin Hoffman is playing a woman who befriends a hot blonde bombshell. The hottie tells Dustin as woman "I just wish a guy would be honest with me and just say he finds me terribly interesting. " A few scenes later, he comes back dressed like a male, tells the woman, "I found you very interesting", and she throws a drink in his face.

I think that is exactly what a woman would do if that happened in real life. What does that tell you about what women really want?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644566]All of those things help of course. I'm Not young. Anymore jaja, Self employed so I could travel at will. If I'm somewhere with music I can dance Meringue, Cumbia and Salsa, tried Salsa in Cali but forget it, the Salsa was too fast for me in Cali. Passable Espanole Some Portuguese, it gets better the longer my trip to Brazil gets. I once worked with a guy a great salesman. He was short, fat, pocked marked face but I would be amazed at the hot women he could move out. He would do it over and over. When he finally got married it was to a very hot, younger woman. I asked him how he did it and he said.

" just give me 10 minutes to talk away my face".

You either got game or you don't. Looks get you so far. I've been with beautiful women that after 5 minutes I couldn't get away fast enough. The same for a woman, they have to WANT to be around you, it's no bag of tricks, it's not all about the money, it may be the initial attraction women have to notice you but you have to be able to converse about what ever comes up. Canned raps get old fast. The problem for some guys when traveling is if your an gringo asshole in the states, your still an asshole in Latin America the only difference is your an asshole gringo with money. Open you mouth when you see a woman you like, I once dated a girl who worked in El Dorado, she was asking me the usual questions, did you pack your bag, was your bag with you the entire time bla bla bla. I started flirting and playing around with her, got her number and met up with her the next month when I returned to Bogota. Obtainable women are everywhere in Bogota, waitress, working in th hotel, waiting for a bus, ask for help in Carulla. I once dated a hot woman, 30 ish selling bikinis on the beach in Copa. So there are a million stories in the naked city you just need to get out there and make it happen.[/QUOTE]Can you provide some info? Thanks!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2644621]The hottie tells Dustin as woman "I just wish a guy would be honest with me and just say he finds me terribly interesting. " A few scenes later, he comes back dressed like a male, tells the woman, "I found you very interesting", and she throws a drink in his face.

I think that is exactly what a woman would do if that happened in real life. What does that tell you about what women really want?[/QUOTE]There is no template. You have to play it by ear. You can get one chick by telling her how beautiful she looks and you can get another chick by telling her she is not shit and you are not impressed by her. You can get some chicks by being honest and you can lose other chicks by being honest. You have to feel your way along.

You can also meet every item on each other's list, but if there is no chemistry then it will just be a waste of time. You have to realize you are not going to get most of the women you try for. A good start on foreign chicks is to speak the same language and be familiar with the chick's surroundings. (Or at least be able to act like you are familiar with it to some degree of credibility.).

Last time I was in Brazil I stayed at a chick's house. When I walked in the place was a mess. I gave her the 3rd degree for having that shit so dirty. We fucked and I fell asleep. When I woke up that house was sparkling clean. When I talked to her the other day she said she was cleaning up and that she has not let the house get messy since I got on her case. She said that she was really ashamed. I told her that she needed to be ashamed; you can not live like that. She said that is the truth.

Now take my own kid. I told her that she needed to keep her place clean and she has not spoken to me in 3 years since that day. Some people will love you for one thing and others will hate you for that exact same thing. There is no template. All you can do is be yourself.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2644576]How long does it take for you to get a girl? Your timescale. In my experience, a normal woman does not spread her legs on the first date just because she want to make an impression that she is not a working girl. If someone travel somewhere to have a sex, they don't have time to play love games, the only option is to buy sex. If someone good to pick up girls they don't need to travel anywhere, there are many quality girls in your city, if they are getting wet when they see you, why to bother? Do you have anything to say?[/QUOTE]Most, the first date if you use the right approach, Sometimes the second if I really like the woman, I'll wait. It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then. I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want. A vast majority of woman are attracted to the Alpha male with the where-with-all to take care of them. An analogy: There was a beautiful white woman, blonde in my upscale neighborhood, from a good family. We had a trash company that would pick up our trash twice a week. One of the workers was a well built black dude, good guy always happy. BUT she met and married Charles Barkley of the 76 ers, A big ugly fuck jaja. The trash guy could never turn a hair on her head. Now you tell me why did she marry him and showed no interest at all in the other guy. It's about the money and can you give me a good life / a few days of being a Princesa.

I met a beautiful girl in CR years ago in the late 90's She was gorgeous, a dead ringer for Penelope Cruz. I met her in the Del Rey of all places. She stayed with me for a few days, we went to the beach Tango Mar, we had a blast. One night after dinner while we were finishing our bottle of wine, I asked her, why a beautiful woman, who spoke English and seemed to have it all, Why is she a prostitute? She looked me straight in the eye and said, "I'm not a prostitute, I go with the man for company. " I learned a lesson that day. It's always about the money but they are all not prostitutes.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2644568]The guys I've seen over the years that scored a lot of women were much better listeners than talkers. Listening was the key, and yes looks seemed to be less important.[/QUOTE]The initial conversation in sales is called qualifying. In this hobby it should be used more to get to know the woman. Does she have kids, what are their names. Bla bla bla It amazes me how they begin to open up, and if you show genuine interest and empathy for their plight in life. You get on a whole different level and you will never have better sex. Of course this type of mongering is not for everyone. I had a wing man who could care less, didn't want to know names, no chit chat. He wanted to fuck as many as he could and as he would say, "I pay them to leave!" I was in that state of mind early in my mongering days, Finding a garota on hooker beach in the afternoon, then going to a terma for round 2 catch a nap and finally scoping out TA and Help for the night cap. LOL was a lot of fun but my focus nowadays is for one quality session with a special woman. You got to do what you got to do. What ever floats your boat.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644796]I met a beautiful girl in CR years ago in the late 90's She was gorgeous, a dead ringer for Penelope Cruz. I met her in the Del Rey of all places. She stayed with me for a few days, we went to the beach Tango Mar, we had a blast. One night after dinner while we were finishing our bottle of wine, I asked her, why a beautiful woman, who spoke English and seemed to have it all, Why is she a prostitute? She looked me straight in the eye and said, "I'm not a prostitute, I go with the man for company. " I learned a lesson that day. It's always about the money but they are all not prostitutes.[/QUOTE]All women are prostitutes. Are you going to believe and trust a hooker? I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you, my friend. Its always about the money, just like its always about the sex for men.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2644568]The guys I've seen over the years that scored a lot of women were much better listeners than talkers. Listening was the key, and yes looks seemed to be less important.[/QUOTE]This definitely does not apply to non-pro American women. You've got to keep talking. Tell them about your fictitious investments abroad. Your fictitious porche that's in the shop. Your fictitious enormous bank accounts. Keep talking continuously. You stop talking you just might not get that pussy.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644796]It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then.[/QUOTE]Of course it is all about the money if you are making that way. You sit there and talk down on someone telling them how poor they are and that you will give them money. That sounds like some uppity superiority stuff to me. Being an alpha male is not telling someone you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. Being an alpha male is teaching them ways not to get into problems and showing them ways of solving problems themselves.

I had a friend in Brazil that went to an interview to get a USA visa. She told the officer how she was going to be staying with this guy and he would take care of everything. She was then asked what if something happens to that person? Visa DENIED! So if something happens to the alpha male that you describe they are right back to square one.

I approach people in a normal conversation. I would never tell someone I am here to pay their bills and fix their problems. Maybe that is why I do not get chicks where it is all about the money. If I am talking about money to a chick then you can believe 100% that she is a hooker.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644796]I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want.[/QUOTE]Total opposite from me. I tell them I am going to give them a baby knowing full well that I can't have kids.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644796]Most, the first date if you use the right approach, Sometimes the second if I really like the woman, I'll wait. It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then. I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want. A vast majority of woman are attracted to the Alpha male with the where-with-all to take care of them. An analogy: There was a beautiful white woman, blonde in my upscale neighborhood, from a good family. We had a trash company that would pick up our trash twice a week. One of the workers was a well built black dude, good guy always happy. BUT she met and married Charles Barkley of the 76 ers, A big ugly fuck jaja. The trash guy could never turn a hair on her head. Now you tell me why did she marry him and showed no interest at all in the other guy. It's about the money and can you give me a good life / a few days of being a Princesa.

I met a beautiful girl in CR years ago in the late 90's She was gorgeous, a dead ringer for Penelope Cruz. I met her in the Del Rey of all places. She stayed with me for a few days, we went to the beach Tango Mar, we had a blast. One night after dinner while we were finishing our bottle of wine, I asked her, why a beautiful woman, who spoke English and seemed to have it all, Why is she a prostitute? She looked me straight in the eye and said, "I'm not a prostitute, I go with the man for company. " I learned a lesson that day. It's always about the money but they are all not prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Your story sounds good, but your logic is a bit weak. I think you should have magic skills to recognize that superior woman in your online chatting. She has to come to your date to stranger. Usually women have filtered or outdated pics and polished profile. You have no idea if she will go for sex. You have no idea what kind of girl she is. And many, many, many if. In addition, you are in a foreign country, which brings many other if. Your language, behavior, attitude, etc. If you like the woman, and what about if the woman like you or not considering that it is the first meeting. That is why your lessons about qualifying are worth not more than a book has written by online Gury for teenagers. Those who dated 25+ women know what I am talking about. Unfortunately it does not work like in porn movies, when a plumber come to fix a sink and a bored housewife 10/10 is jumping in front of him and scrimping fuck me please, fuck me please you are so hot and I can't wait when you push your dick in my mouth.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2644887]Of course it is all about the money if you are making that way. You sit there and talk down on someone telling them how poor they are and that you will give them money. That sounds like some uppity superiority stuff to me. Being an alpha male is not telling someone you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. Being an alpha male is teaching them ways not to get into problems and showing them ways of solving problems themselves.

I had a friend in Brazil that went to an interview to get a USA visa. She told the officer how she was going to be staying with this guy and he would take care of everything. She was then asked what if something happens to that person? Visa DENIED! So if something happens to the alpha male that you describe they are right back to square one.

I approach people in a normal conversation. I would never tell someone I am here to pay their bills and fix their problems. Maybe that is why I do not get chicks where it is all about the money. If I am talking about money to a chick then you can believe 100% that she is a hooker.

Total opposite from me. I tell them I am going to give them a baby knowing full well that I can't have kids.[/QUOTE]How did you get from my statement " a little help now and then" to your asinine statement "you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. " Also read it again, I never said a word about money, I said HELP now and then! You need to work on your reading comprehension. Next time try staying on topic and don't put words in my mouth.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2644818]All women are prostitutes. Are you going to believe and trust a hooker? I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you, my friend. Its always about the money, just like its always about the sex for men.[/QUOTE]I was just drawing a comparison of how some of these women want to view themselves.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2644712]There is no template. You have to play it by ear. You can get one chick by telling her how beautiful she looks and you can get another chick by telling her she is not shit and you are not impressed by her. You can get some chicks by being honest and you can lose other chicks by being honest. You have to feel your way along.[/QUOTE]I agree. What I was trying to say is that women do not really know what they want. She says she wanted something, got it, and then when she got it and did not like it, she not only rejected it but hated herself for wanting it and slapped the guy in anger.

Then she said, "I am very selective. I only go out with men who treat me the worst." Is that true for some woman? Yep. Why was she doing that?

She was a single mom with an alcoholic dad, dead mother who could give her no support, and she felt like her beauty, fame, and wealth were not earned, so she punished herself with the guys she dated. Most everybody around her is jealous of her and trying to tear her down.

Then she breaks up with the guy who treats her badly and cites Dustin Hoffman's female character as a reason why. Female DH inspired her. She needed affirmation she was an ok person, support, and most importantly, a real friend and in the end, she realizes that is what she needed and got from DH male or female.

The point is if you ask women want they want you are going to hear the same lines: looks, money, maybe fame.

And what male DH did at first and why most guys fail, they give the women what they think they want (even what the woman told him what she wanted) and not what they really need. In the end, he got it right and said, "We were already good friends."

Guys need to focus on the needs of women and a lot of the time, in fact maybe most, they are unaware or not willing to tell you what they are.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2644169]I like them young and fresh, ideally in the 18-23 yo range. Most of the girls of this age are unemployed, or have shitty low paying job, or study, and many live with their parents. Let's be realistic here, 95%+ SA girls in MDE and BOG of that age are hos, they expect to get paid, because nobody wants to fuck an old gringo fart for free. If they just want to get a good dick and not get paid, they have plenty of options among their Colombian peers. Hooking up with the above mentioned professionals is doable only if you are okay with dating older women, not the hottest ones, most likely divorced and with kids. You also need to be ready to invest some time in those women as many won't fuck you on the first date. Average gringo monger coming to Colombia is average or below average looking, usually out of shape, older dude who has limited time and budget. Dating a professional is not even feasible to them, and the language barrier makes it even worse. Unless you speak Spanish, look fit, are relatively young, spend a lot of time in Colombia and have some disposable cash, dating a hot freebies / non-pro who "can't get enough of your dick" is impossible. Again, I'm talking about an average monger. Elvis, if you can pull it off, congrats, good for you, but I'm sure your situation is different and you are not an average gringo coming down to Colombia for a few days. So suggesting not to discuss price / gifts upfront, or not offer to pay (in other words, treating them like they are not hos but regular women) won't get a monger laid, simply because the girls will not be interested in meeting, that's the reality.[/QUOTE]Miami Boy1 is 100% correct here. Frankly the last few pages of posts on this thread are just bizarre- is this ISG or the beta male dating club? I'm not sure why so many of these ultra suave players who have legions of hot and ready Colombian civilian women are belittling their incredibly virile and ultra-successful selves by spending time on a pay for play forum, but mysteries abound as we enter the New Year. And here I would remind you this is a Pay for Play forum where men with no illusions or delusion, who want real, actionable intel come to share and swap information so that process is easier, more efficient and fully realized. If you want to talk about how you get ladies hot and bothered by giving them gifts of lotion and other delusion fairy tales, I'm sure there is a forum out there somewhere for that. The International Give Ladies Lotion Guide. (IGLLG).

Thank again Miami Boy1 for the real talk here- Gringo Italiano posts are also extremely solid. I turn to these guys for information, not flatulent ramblings, so thanks again.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2645012]How did you get from my statement " a little help now and then" to your asinine statement "you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. " Also read it again, I never said a word about money, I said HELP now and then! You need to work on your reading comprehension. Next time try staying on topic and don't put words in my mouth.[/QUOTE]Ok. My bad. Well I guess since you mentiond how hard things are you will be giving them help with English lessons every now and then. You never specified exactly what the help was, but since you mentioned "it's always about the money" right before mentioning the help you would give, one can reasonably infer that the help would be in the form of the money that it is always about and not in the form of mowing their lawn or keeping an eye on their kids.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2644818]All women are prostitutes. Are you going to believe and trust a hooker? I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you, my friend. Its always about the money, just like its always about the sex for men.[/QUOTE]Been looking for a while now would love to live on ocean in Arizona, please send all information on property, thanks.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644796]Most, the first date if you use the right approach, Sometimes the second if I really like the woman, I'll wait. It's always about the money. I usually let it known during the initial conversation that I know life in Bogota is very difficult for a single woman / mother and they can use some help now and then. I also let it be known during conversation that I can't have anymore kids because I have a vasectomy, that usually relaxes them when it comes time for bare back if I want. A vast majority of woman are attracted to the Alpha male with the where-with-all to take care of them. An analogy: There was a beautiful white woman, blonde in my upscale neighborhood, from a good family. We had a trash company that would pick up our trash twice a week. One of the workers was a well built black dude, good guy always happy. BUT she met and married Charles Barkley of the 76 ers, A big ugly fuck jaja. The trash guy could never turn a hair on her head. Now you tell me why did she marry him and showed no interest at all in the other guy. It's about the money and can you give me a good life / a few days of being a Princesa.[/QUOTE]You let the trolls in with this one. LL, yes it takes money to buy a gift for a woman's kid, but you are negating the kind thought you had in buying the gift and the fact you were trying to make the child and child's mother happy. Money may get them into bed, but quality companionship is what gets them to stay. You are discounting that too about yourself.

To the rest of the guys interested in it, think about what you are shooting for in being a sugar daddy. If you really get down to it, a person could say a father is just there to give his daughter money but with proper direction right? It costs money to put a roof over her head and food on the table.

It is okay to do that because you are investing in your child. But if you are giving a kid money, and the kid takes it and snorts it all, you probably were better off getting a ho.

I usually do not have to explain it to women but when I am acting as sugar daddy, I am saying I will use my paternal skills and giving them my wisdom, guidance, company, and financial support and they in turn provide company, support, and sex, and this agreement is based on trust and hopefully it will evolve into a form of love. And I am sure you have a similar attitude.

Again, I am not even offering this to everyone, and the best women did not even get an offer. They just wanted to be around me and knew I would care for them.

I know the hos are just interested in cash and I am aware that some are going to pretend to be sugar babies to string me along. That is why I was always on the outlook for better or more solid prospects. I stopped when I found one and thought an upgrade over her was not possible.

Does any one tried a Troya's dancer? I saw a pole dancer in Troya / Oct. 2021. She is 6 ft, dark skin but she is not black maybe some Jamaica blood, prefect body, 100% fit, no fat only muscles, very pretty, silicon boobs, 30 sh year old (I think) long Jamaica style hair, movie star attitude. She comes around 9 pm dance and leave. If you saw her, I don't need to explain, she behave and her attitude like her Dad is the president. Maybe she dances in other clubs, I saw her in Troya a few times. I forgot her name. Any info? Or suggestions? Woodman? Or someone on the ground? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2644621]Tavares, you are asking the wrong question. What do you really want? Get rid of the Bud Light image of two babes on your arm and a can of beer. Or let's go easier. What are deal breakers for you? On money, I want a woman who appreciates my generosity but can step in and take over or make it on her own if I cannot provide for her for a short time. Some guys are insecure and want women to be completely dependent on them because they like that level of control. Which type are you?

With sex, I want a woman who does not tell me no and who sucks my cock because she loves to. A lot of women have a caring gene. They literally got high when caring for you. They gets just as much pleasure sucking your dick as you do getting it. I want that. I usually like to control the action in bed but again I do not mind if the woman takes over on occasion. Some guys want complete control. Some want none.

My #1 criteria for a woman is that she makes me feel good sexually and emotionally. I know this cannot be a 100% thing but if I have woman causing more stress, shaming me, ETC, they need to go.

The reason I like seeking / SA is that the women there are open to going out with a foreign guy and an older guy where money is probably more important to them than looks and I want a target rich environment. My goal is not to have a bunch of women but the best woman / women I can get.[/QUOTE]Tavares, take it easy. Here, there are two groups: I am in pay per fuck group who fucks SF girls. The second group are highly skilled advanced Alfa males who fuck upper class Colombia women for free. Read the last 5 pages. Or if you have a girlfriend read it together, make her laugh.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2645039]Does any one tried a Troya's dancer? I saw a pole dancer in Troya / Oct. 2021. She is 6 ft, dark skin but she is not black maybe some Jamaica blood, prefect body, 100% fit, no fat only muscles, very pretty, silicon boobs, 30 sh year old (I think) long Jamaica style hair, movie star attitude. She comes around 9 pm dance and leave. If you saw her, I don't need to explain, she behave and her attitude like her Dad is the president. Maybe she dances in other clubs, I saw her in Troya a few times. I forgot her name. Any info? Or suggestions? Woodman? Or someone on the ground? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hey Igor, I don't know too many girls there, I walked through tonight definitely some good action in there.

I know I had seen a really smoking hot 19 yo who looked like a Spice Girl -- this girl is a 9 maybe depending on her attitude. I have yet to session with her.

There was some good action on the streets tonight.

P.S. Attached is a flyer I got about a casa downtown--I know it has been there a while-- Have not checked it out.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2645026]Miami Boy1 is 100% correct here. Frankly the last few pages of posts on this thread are just bizarre- is this ISG or the beta male dating club? I'm not sure why so many of these ultra suave players who have legions of hot and ready Colombian civilian women are belittling their incredibly virile and ultra-successful selves by spending time on a pay for play forum, but mysteries abound as we enter the New Year. And here I would remind you this is a Pay for Play forum where men with no illusions or delusion, who want real, actionable intel come to share and swap information so that process is easier, more efficient and fully realized. If you want to talk about how you get ladies hot and bothered by giving them gifts of lotion and other delusion fairy tales, I'm sure there is a forum out there somewhere for that. The International Give Ladies Lotion Guide. (IGLLG).

Thank again Miami Boy1 for the real talk here- Gringo Italiano posts are also extremely solid. I turn to these guys for information, not flatulent ramblings, so thanks again.[/QUOTE]Spot on!

I sometimes enjoy reading the fairytales for entertainment, but it has gotten a bit much lately, more like a teenage boy dating fantasy site. The forum is not that easy to navigate so focusing more on actionable intel would be far better for all.

I know a few guys who let their SOs into their legal, business secrets.

When the relationships turned sour, the women used everything they knew, or could guess, to turn their mates' lives into hell with serious legal, criminal, financial problems. Then they add the children sex abuse charges. They would go to total war without seeing any gain, deplete assets to pay attorneys, then go broke near the end, begging the attorneys to fuck to offset legal fees, pop by pop. I would think twice about letting a woman control the nuclear football on Airforce 1 that can launch nuclear warheads, especially on days she's on the rag hehe.

Don't expect your SOs to always be honest and play fair with you. They won't when they are pissed off, sometimes even by petty issues. Don't let them into secrets that can cause problems. They can be far worse, more dangerous and more damaging than any thieving WG.

[QUOTE=ZebraStripes81;2645026]Miami Boy1 is 100% correct here. Frankly the last few pages of posts on this thread are just bizarre- is this ISG or the beta male dating club? I'm not sure why so many of these ultra suave players who have legions of hot and ready Colombian civilian women are belittling their incredibly virile and ultra-successful selves by spending time on a pay for play forum, but mysteries abound as we enter the New Year. And here I would remind you this is a Pay for Play forum where men with no illusions or delusion, who want real, actionable intel come to share and swap information so that process is easier, more efficient and fully realized. If you want to talk about how you get ladies hot and bothered by giving them gifts of lotion and other delusion fairy tales, I'm sure there is a forum out there somewhere for that. The International Give Ladies Lotion Guide. (IGLLG).

Thank again Miami Boy1 for the real talk here- Gringo Italiano posts are also extremely solid. I turn to these guys for information, not flatulent ramblings, so thanks again.[/QUOTE]"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" is stated right below [URL]InternationalSexGuide.Info[/URL] at the very top of the page, which seems like a pretty good indicator supporting your assertion that this is a Pay for Play forum.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2645063]Tavares, take it easy. Here, there are two groups: I am in pay per fuck group who fucks SF girls. The second group are highly skilled advanced Alfa males who fuck upper class Colombia women for free. Read the last 5 pages. Or if you have a girlfriend read it together, make her laugh.[/QUOTE]Apparently you are the only one who didn't miss my point: just like you I was being sarcastic. I belong to the first of the two groups you mentioned because the second one exists only in those Alfa males' minds: sorry Latina Lover#1, keep daydreaming...no logras siquiera hablar bien el español.

[QUOTE=LuvMexicanas;2645166]"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac" is stated right below [URL]InternationalSexGuide.Info[/URL] at the very top of the page, which seems like a pretty good indicator supporting your assertion that this is a Pay for Play forum.[/QUOTE]Yes. But it did not say giving money. It could be as little as the perception that you have access to money that is the aphrodisiac. If you want more pussy then spend more money on yourself.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2645327]Yes. But it did not say giving money. It could be as little as the perception that you have access to money that is the aphrodisiac. If you want more pussy then spend more money on yourself.[/QUOTE]Yep, exactly why guys from wealthy countries so often travel to poor countries.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2645138]I know a few guys who let their SOs into their legal, business secrets.

When the relationships turned sour, the women used everything they knew, or could guess, to turn their mates' lives into hell with serious legal, criminal, financial problems. Then they add the children sex abuse charges. They would go to total war without seeing any gain, deplete assets to pay attorneys, then go broke near the end, begging the attorneys to fuck to offset legal fees, pop by pop. I would think twice about letting a woman control the nuclear football on Airforce 1 that can launch nuclear warheads, especially on days she's on the rag hehe.

Don't expect your SOs to always be honest and play fair with you. They won't when they are pissed off, sometimes even by petty issues. Don't let them into secrets that can cause problems. They can be far worse, more dangerous and more damaging than any thieving WG.[/QUOTE]Read and heed these wise words. I have seen this happen more (a lot more) than once.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2645327]Yes. But it did not say giving money. It could be as little as the perception that you have access to money that is the aphrodisiac. If you want more pussy then spend more money on yourself.[/QUOTE]I would add to this by saying confidence is right up there with money (or the illusion thereof) as the world's greatest aphrodisiac. When you have and employ both skillfully, you are slaying them right and left.

[QUOTE=Yossarian;2645364]I would add to this by saying confidence is right up there with money (or the illusion thereof) as the world's greatest aphrodisiac. When you have and employ both skillfully, you are slaying them right and left.[/QUOTE]Exactly. And it is funny, there was this marine biologist studying which fish in an African lake became alpha. He made this joke that it was tomato cans. What he meant was that there is boxing reference that you beat up less skilled boxers to get your confidence up before taking on the champ. What he found was with each victory, conference rose as did testosterone. I think that is what guys need to do. Go for the 6's and 7's and land them before you take on the 10's.

But I really do not like the whole alpha thing. What I found with the alpha types is they never admit failure and do not learn from it. It is always, "Eh, I was not really trying to get that girl" when they get shot down. I found myself more identifying with the omega male who sets his own path rather than ruling over others. I do not want to be responsible for a pack of betas.

Where my confidence comes from is my total package which includes me but is not just me but the world I am letting you into and everyone you will meet and see in it. It also comes from seeing women become smarter and better before my eyes. So I am interviewing for the position of sugar baby, and I might not want you because there is a better candidate or I have better right now. You might not measure up.

But if am interested in you, and you say, "Nah, I just want $100" I think you are stupid because my sugar babies do much better financially in the long run than the hos do. And how many times have you talked to a ho with a plan?

The better women want not just money but to learn how to best deploy it. I think 3 in 4 hot Colombian women if you gave them $10,000 would be broke a year later.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2645138]I know a few guys who let their SOs into their legal, business secrets.

When the relationships turned sour, the women used everything they knew, or could guess, to turn their mates' lives into hell with serious legal, criminal, financial problems. Then they add the children sex abuse charges. They would go to total war without seeing any gain, deplete assets to pay attorneys, then go broke near the end, begging the attorneys to fuck to offset legal fees, pop by pop. I would think twice about letting a woman control the nuclear football on Airforce 1 that can launch nuclear warheads, especially on days she's on the rag hehe.

Don't expect your SOs to always be honest and play fair with you. They won't when they are pissed off, sometimes even by petty issues. Don't let them into secrets that can cause problems. They can be far worse, more dangerous and more damaging than any thieving WG.[/QUOTE]This is 1000% real life. Print out and read to memories by heart.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2645327]Yes. But it did not say giving money. It could be as little as the perception that you have access to money that is the aphrodisiac. If you want more pussy then spend more money on yourself.[/QUOTE]Don't be greedy they charged you 10 to 20 bucks. It is probably less than to pay for online porn.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2645031]You let the trolls in with this one. LL, yes it takes money to buy a gift for a woman's kid, but you are negating the kind thought you had in buying the gift and the fact you were trying to make the child and child's mother happy. Money may get them into bed, but quality companionship is what gets them to stay. You are discounting that too about yourself.

To the rest of the guys interested in it, think about what you are shooting for in being a sugar daddy. If you really get down to it, a person could say a father is just there to give his daughter money but with proper direction right? It costs money to put a roof over her head and food on the table.

It is okay to do that because you are investing in your child. But if you are giving a kid money, and the kid takes it and snorts it all, you probably were better off getting a ho.

I usually do not have to explain it to women but when I am acting as sugar daddy, I am saying I will use my paternal skills and giving them my wisdom, guidance, company, and financial support and they in turn provide company, support, and sex, and this agreement is based on trust and hopefully it will evolve into a form of love. And I am sure you have a similar attitude.

Again, I am not even offering this to everyone, and the best women did not even get an offer. They just wanted to be around me and knew I would care for them.

I know the hos are just interested in cash and I am aware that some are going to pretend to be sugar babies to string me along. That is why I was always on the outlook for better or more solid prospects. I stopped when I found one and thought an upgrade over her was not possible.[/QUOTE]I was trying to show that there is an alternative to working girl fucking by the hour and a better experience with an educated stylish woman, that even a dweeb from the states can get a non pro / chipper with a little knowledge and a different mind set to make it happen. IF he WANTS IT! If it's not for you and not interested, skip over the post.

I was clear in stating that the 'by the hour' working girls have a place in this hobby, and some guys like it that way. Nothing wrong with that. I was like that years ago but I found as time went on, Help, Balcony, Del Rey, Las Cucardas in Lima got very, very old. I should have kept my big mouth shut and realized that some guys can't and won't accept other types of hobbying, so I'm lying, embellishing, etc. Not sure how much longer I'll be at this hobby, I don't get many hall passes these days but I thought some of my brothers could benefit from my experiences. I have a super Colombiana, We have been serious for the last 4 years and she will soon come to live with me in the USA for her post graduate studies. My future contributions to this form will be limited in the future. I wish ALL my brothers the best trips in the future and be safe.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2645678]This works other ways. Everybody is not in search of a long time anything. Short money and short time are just what the doctor ordered for some people.[/QUOTE]You are right, but you are on that site for an arrangement, the long term. So if I dis the woman for not taking my offer, it could be she is not interested in long term, which means she is being dishonest for being on the site or she is stupid.

I get that a lot of women have tons of reasons to reject a long term and long distance relationship. In fact, a lot of women are on the site because it is more discrete. They just want a time or two that they can meet a guy and cash in. What I have learned is that a lot of the women doing this are with guys they like / love, but they just want a few extra bucks and seeing a guy off seeking is the easiest way to do it without being labeled a ho (even though that is what they are doing).

If you are a woman who needs a guy to be there all the time, and many do, what I am offering is not a better offer than what they already have.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2645678]This works other ways. Depends on what the person is looking for. There are tons of chicks saying dudes do not want a good woman. They just want a hole to fuck sometimes. Are those dudes stupid the same as the chicks that just want the $100 and run? Everybody is not in search of a long time anything. Short money and short time are just what the doctor ordered for some people.[/QUOTE]Exactly, I pay her to leave. I have plenty of money but an inverse amount of time.

Longer Report.

I've spent many-ier hour looking through posts on this forum and reading of legendary trips which I hoped to emulate. From stories of picking up non-pros to the legendary epic with Tiffany and other 'keepers' and basically anything by Vangabudo in Rio.

I think I've explored more options than I have ever before. Here's a rough play by play. Think it makes more sense to break down by 'scene' than by time.

Tinder / SA / other apps.

Perhaps controversial to ground tinder with SA. However, I have actually found a few of my Tinder dates on SA, so there's a bit of (but obviously not complete) overlap.

I've had a fair bit of success this trip with non-pros and have met 4 girls from Tinder / other apps and 3 from SA. I set my location on all apps to Bogota a few ahead of my trip and starting swiping and messaging. Very wide funnel initially, into only a few potential dates, and even fewer actual. The tinder girls never asked for anything, but I usually offer to pay for food, drinks etc.

In one notable case, I also offered to help her with a few (significant) things because she was struggling. SA for me is usually more business, most girls stated a clear amount they're after. You can definitely get higher quality girls, with established careers etc, which appeals to me. But, also makes it a bit harder to take them travelling. But, the strong emotional connection is obviously much more reward, and to be honest, harder to leave behind. I am supposed to leave Bogota this week. I change my mind twice a day on whether I want to extend out this leg of the trip.

I know there's a lot of debate around SA lately, my person view is – it's a platform that can be many things. Some guys use to get free dates, leveraging their success. You obviously have to be both successful and fairly good looking to pull this off, and even then, there are only some girls that would be open to this. If you're open to the business side, then your pool opens up, and this is obviously the avenue most people take. But it doesn't have to be exclusively one or the other. I've even had a girl talk business initially and then change their mind after meeting me in person.

I got numbers from around 10 girls before my trip, a few I was really excited about. A few were out of town etc. And so far, I have only met 3, and had varying levels of success. You can get great outcomes, but I've also had to invest a fair bit of time.

As a final note, the completely non-pro scene is also interesting. I asked out a few regular girls and was surprised that they could be quite receptive. YMMV, obviously.

Santa Fe.

I initially wrote off the street scene, but due to the time of the year, the clubs were often slow, and the street scene often had more options. However, to be honest, because of the scenes available, I actually didn't actually fancy many girls in Santa Fe. I never thought I'the say this, but the environment became challenging for me very quickly, and a girl had to really catch my eye after my first night.

I really enjoyed doing the laps with other members of the board of the area. On my first night, I really indulged and picked out 4/5 girls, and got a few numbers. But to date, haven't really lined anything up. Some girls were going out of town, some others my interest just fizzled with.

The main reason is because it just feels more natural with girls from apps or SA. The interactions were obviously different. Even Semi-pros were all very new, and the dates felt better, and I got further mileage as well, even if it was more expensive than 50 k.

Love to club environment though still. It's been quiet lately, there have been more guys than girls in the clubs when I've visited, with slim pickings. Other members I've been with tells me that it is usually much, much better and I believe them. I am eager to go again, in new year once things are closer to normal. I knew this was what I would be up again before coming.

Casas / Mezzanine.

Ever suffering from FOMO, I did a circuit of the casas and mezzanine. I thought mezzanine was better than the casas, however, had mostly the same drawbacks as SF.

In some cases for Mezzanine, the rooms were even smaller though. As I think is well known. I didn't through many doors at mezzanine, and definitely wasn't disappointed, but because of how spoilt I've become from the non-scene, it didn't quite feel as good to me as it would have in past trips.

The quality at the casas were really low to me, and I struggled to find anything, and only one girl caught my eye.

[QUOTE=ManchesterCat;2645767]Longer Report.

I've spent many-ier hour looking through posts on this forum and reading of legendary trips which I hoped to emulate. From stories of picking up non-pros to the legendary epic with Tiffany and other 'keepers' and basically anything by Vangabudo in Rio.

I think I've explored more options than I have ever before. Here's a rough play by play. Think it makes more sense to break down by 'scene' than by time.

Tinder / SA / other apps.

Perhaps controversial to ground tinder with SA. However, I have actually found a few of my Tinder dates on SA, so there's a bit of (but obviously not complete) overlap.

I've had a fair bit of success this trip with non-pros and have met 4 girls from Tinder / other apps and 3 from SA. I set my location on all apps to Bogota a few ahead of my trip and starting swiping and messaging. Very wide funnel initially, into only a few potential dates, and even fewer actual. The tinder girls never asked for anything, but I usually offer to pay for food, drinks etc.

In one notable case, I also offered to help her with a few (significant) things because she was struggling. SA for me is usually more business, most girls stated a clear amount they're after. You can definitely get higher quality girls, with established careers etc, which appeals to me. But, also makes it a bit harder to take them travelling. But, the strong emotional connection is obviously much more reward, and to be honest, harder to leave behind. I am supposed to leave Bogota this week. I change my mind twice a day on whether I want to extend out this leg of the trip.

I know there's a lot of debate around SA lately, my person view is it's a platform that can be many things. Some guys use to get free dates, leveraging their success. You obviously have to be both successful and fairly good looking to pull this off, and even then, there are only some girls that would be open to this. If you're open to the business side, then your pool opens up, and this is obviously the avenue most people take. But it doesn't have to be exclusively one or the other. I've even had a girl talk business initially and then change their mind after meeting me in person.

I got numbers from around 10 girls before my trip, a few I was really excited about. A few were out of town etc. And so far, I have only met 3, and had varying levels of success. You can get great outcomes, but I've also had to invest a fair bit of time.

As a final note, the completely non-pro scene is also interesting. I asked out a few regular girls and was surprised that they could be quite receptive. YMMV, obviously.

Santa Fe.

I initially wrote off the street scene, but due to the time of the year, the clubs were often slow, and the street scene often had more options. However, to be honest, because of the scenes available, I actually didn't actually fancy many girls in Santa Fe. I never thought I'the say this, but the environment became challenging for me very quickly, and a girl had to really catch my eye after my first night.

I really enjoyed doing the laps with other members of the board of the area. On my first night, I really indulged and picked out 4/5 girls, and got a few numbers. But to date, haven't really lined anything up. Some girls were going out of town, some others my interest just fizzled with.

The main reason is because it just feels more natural with girls from apps or SA. The interactions were obviously different. Even Semi-pros were all very new, and the dates felt better, and I got further mileage as well, even if it was more expensive than 50 k.

Love to club environment though still. It's been quiet lately, there have been more guys than girls in the clubs when I've visited, with slim pickings. Other members I've been with tells me that it is usually much, much better and I believe them. I am eager to go again, in new year once things are closer to normal. I knew this was what I would be up again before coming.

Casas / Mezzanine.

Ever suffering from FOMO, I did a circuit of the casas and mezzanine. I thought mezzanine was better than the casas, however, had mostly the same drawbacks as SF.

In some cases for Mezzanine, the rooms were even smaller though. As I think is well known. I didn't through many doors at mezzanine, and definitely wasn't disappointed, but because of how spoilt I've become from the non-scene, it didn't quite feel as good to me as it would have in past trips.

The quality at the casas were really low to me, and I struggled to find anything, and only one girl caught my eye.[/QUOTE]Thank you bringing the conversation back to informative reports and away from all this self aggrandizing gossip. "Nice work if you can get it and you can get it if you try".

[QUOTE=ManchesterCat;2645767]I got numbers from around 10 girls before my trip, a few I was really excited about. A few were out of town etc. And so far, I have only met 3, and had varying levels of success. You can get great outcomes, but I've also had to invest a fair bit of time.[/QUOTE]So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so. I guess that yielded like 40 dates. 30 were ho types or I just was not interested in pursuing them. There were 10 or so that I pursued, and of those, there were like 5 or so that were sugar baby material IMO and then the one distinguished herself. I would say the average woman was a 7 or 8 in looks and I was with what I would call two 10's and two 9's. On average, the seeking women were not as skilled in bed as hos but most were willing to go bare. Of course, I picked out the best performing women in bed so those women on average were better than girls.

I think I was patient because the odds are even worse in the USA, and it was actually easier there than here. Don Carlos put out a wider net, spent more time in Colombia than I did, and he caught more than I did as I would expect.

I like how you described it as work, and it is not easy. I also like how you say it is kind of hard to go back to WGs after you have done seeking. I totally agree with that too.

I tried to buy a girl from online agency in Bogota. That was a slow chatting and it was obvious that they are looking for an available girl. Finally I said no, and ordered from photoprepagos. The next day, I texted to a random girl on photoprepagos. She was going to come, but in 10 min she texted that she checked my number somewhere and my phone number had negative reviews that is why she canceled. I can connect it only to the agency. Any suggestions where they posted their review?

Hello,

I'm looking to meet a fellow monger to go on the hunt. I'll be 2 week in Bogota, 2 week in Medellin, and 1 month in Cartagena.

My Spanish si not perfect but I can get any thing I want.

Send me a message if interested.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2645788]So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so.[/QUOTE]This is why most people have shitty SA / Facebook / Tinder / Badoo / Cupid dates and experiences. They are unwilling to do the mountain of work it takes to have a great experience.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2644169]I like them young and fresh, ideally in the 18-23 yo range. Most of the girls of this age are unemployed, or have shitty low paying job, or study, and many live with their parents. Let's be realistic here, 95%+ SA girls in MDE and BOG of that age are hos, they expect to get paid, because nobody wants to fuck an old gringo fart for free. If they just want to get a good dick and not get paid, they have plenty of options among their Colombian peers. Hooking up with the above mentioned professionals is doable only if you are okay with dating older women, not the hottest ones, most likely divorced and with kids. You also need to be ready to invest some time in those women as many won't fuck you on the first date. Average gringo monger coming to Colombia is average or below average looking, usually out of shape, older dude who has limited time and budget. Dating a professional is not even feasible to them, and the language barrier makes it even worse. Unless you speak Spanish, look fit, are relatively young, spend a lot of time in Colombia and have some disposable cash, dating a hot freebies / non-pro who "can't get enough of your dick" is impossible. Again, I'm talking about an average monger. Elvis, if you can pull it off, congrats, good for you, but I'm sure your situation is different and you are not an average gringo coming down to Colombia for a few days. So suggesting not to discuss price / gifts upfront, or not offer to pay (in other words, treating them like they are not hos but regular women) won't get a monger laid, simply because the girls will not be interested in meeting, that's the reality.[/QUOTE]Facts.

Very insightful analysis of the situation.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2645788]So I started with about 200 conversations over a year and a half or so. I guess that yielded like 40 dates. 30 were ho types or I just was not interested in pursuing them. There were 10 or so that I pursued, and of those, there were like 5 or so that were sugar baby material IMO and then the one distinguished herself. I would say the average woman was a 7 or 8 in looks and I was with what I would call two 10's and two 9's. On average, the seeking women were not as skilled in bed as hos but most were willing to go bare. Of course, I picked out the best performing women in bed so those women on average were better than girls.

I think I was patient because the odds are even worse in the USA, and it was actually easier there than here. Don Carlos put out a wider net, spent more time in Colombia than I did, and he caught more than I did as I would expect.

I like how you described it as work, and it is not easy. I also like how you say it is kind of hard to go back to WGs after you have done seeking. I totally agree with that too.[/QUOTE]My friend Elvis. And the board members. Happy New Years! I have scheduled 6 weeks in Colombia and just now beginning to feel it's not enough time. Yes I found some 50 girls total in or near three major cities (Not Cartagena) I know ½ won't show up, nor be perfect 10's or will disappear before I get there. Here's the rub. This took me nearly 5 days on line and it's not done yet. Still need to close the deal. And I will have to fly around to 3 or 4 cities. That is way too much! Interviewing this many is also crushing work. I am considering have 2 places to stay, 2 phones, maybe 3. LOL.

So I messaged a couple hot ho's I know for back up to relieve this awful stress searching for girls on SA. LOL I will probably look up my 2 bilingual guides so we can just go straight to Santa Fe, Poblado and Girls Club. This is hard work and that stress builds up. I understand why you would want to just pay and play, just to relieve the stress of chasing.

I have found girls beyond 10's in looks to hook up with in Colombia. In the USA sadly 1 or 2 every 5-10 years. Not as hot. Here is the philosophical question. WHY? Is finding and being with the most gorgeous women I can find so important? What good is a penis if you don't use it? Why does porn make so much money?

So if I end up with ONE girl (which I already have) in Bogota. I am way ahead of what I would accomplish in any other county or situation.

Elvis how and where do you interview multiple candidates? Online? WS? Restaurants?

Rather than pontificating here is just my report from boots on the ground:

Santa Fe.

Seemed pretty busy, lots of girls on the street, going rate seemed to be 30-50 k for 15 minutes and about 10 k for the room. The streets are disgusting and covered with trash. I didn't go into the clubs. I didn't feel it was unsafe; The biggest risk is probably being robbed by a streetwalker when you are in the room. I did see a few trannies and based on hearsay they are the most dangerous. If streetwalkers are your thing, maybe to avoid problems you could pick one of the girls who is standing in front of one the short time hotels and if she works in the same place every day she is less likely to rob you vs some gal on some random street corner.

SA.

I did hit some Seeking girls. The prices ranged from 150 k to 250 k plus taxi for two to three hours at my room, to 350k for overnight. They ranged from gals living in the southern barrios to a medical student, so quite a wide range actually. I asked them to bring an ID every time and I cancelled an appointment with one girl who said she had lost her ID. They all have an ID (Cedula), so if they don't there is probably something wrong. I do feel that Seeking gals tend to charge more especially if they speak English. One girl asked for 600 k. I'm sure that if you could find the same girls in another way, eg. On Facebook, they will probably charge less. Unless you are Tom Cruise you should expect to pay for Seeking girls. (The whole premise of the platform is an "arrangement" whereby you trade something. E. g. Sex for money). The overnight girl showed up, then at midnight claimed her kid was sick and she had to go...i didnt beleive a word but was happy for her to go actually as she was lackluster. She claimed she was saving money to study english in Seattle.

Tinder.

I used Tinder but it just sucked, hardly any hits.

Transportation.

Uber and Didi sucked. Not many cars, cancel all the time. It seemed easier to to hail a yellow cab. One time I called a Didi for a gal and it broke down in the middle of a slum. The gal was panicking but the driver finally got it going.

Covid test.

As mentioned by another BM I used Profamillia on CL 34 #14-52. It is like Planned Parenthood and I guess they are just doing testing on the side. It opens at around 7 am, pay 90 k at the cashier for antigen test, wait under the tent for about 30 minutes, get tested, then wait about another 30 mins for the paper result. Can be a bit tricky if you don't speak Spanish. Synlab has a place at the airport but it had a huge line when I passed by.

ATMs.

BBVA reliably gave me 300 k, rate close to 4 k COP / USD, with a fee of about 20 kCOP. BancoColombia denied me every time.

Other sources of girls.

I did strike up a conversation with the security guard in the place I was staying. He told me freelancers usually charge 100-150 k for three to four hours. I didn't get to try, but getting to know a local you can trust could let you tap into sources that are not usually available to tourists.

Accommodation.

I stayed in an airbnb near Santa Fe. It was $35 US per night. I think if you want to hit Santa Fe you are probably better staying within walking distance of it. However, if you want to hit casas you are better of staying in Chapinero as there are more casas up there. The downtown near Santa Fe is safe enough in the daytime but its a graffiti covered dump and is dead and pretty sketchy at night. Santa Fe / Centro wasnt bad for meeting freelancers though as most of them lived in the barrios (slums) in the south.

Foreigners.

I felt there were very few tourists in town. I think Bogota isn't on most travellers list, vs Medellin which is getting on the (sex) tourist trail. Most of the girls I met claimed they had never met a foreigner before.

Vaccine card
Several places, e.g. Montseratte and the museums asked to see vaccine proof and a picture ID for entry. Most restaurants didnt care.

Coming back to the US
At Copa airlines check in I needed to show antigen Covid test within 1 day of travel, US online Covid attestation, check Mig and vaccine proof....damn.

I hate to as but what is SA? Is this an APP. What is the full name to search and download and how you find girls on SA.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2645950]I tried to buy a girl from online agency in Bogota. That was a slow chatting and it was obvious that they are looking for an available girl. Finally I said no, and ordered from photoprepagos. The next day, I texted to a random girl on photoprepagos. She was going to come, but in 10 min she texted that she checked my number somewhere and my phone number had negative reviews that is why she canceled. I can connect it only to the agency. Any suggestions where they posted their review?[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. Have never heard of this before. I'm just spit-ball here but perhaps she spoke with some other chicas who you have met before? Perhaps she just decided to cancel for some reason?

Only thing that I can possibly think of is another forum similar to ISG but is primarily used by local mongers and is primarily in Spanish. I don't want to break any forum rules or piss anyone off, but I'm sure an internet search would yield you the forum name. First part of the forum begins with Don. Again, I've never seen or heard about anything when it comes to the customer side of things, but seems that some chicas post messages there. Maybe there?

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]Rather than pontificating here is just my report from boots on the ground:

Santa Fe.

Seemed pretty busy, lots of girls on the street, going rate seemed to be 30-50 k for 15 minutes and about 10 k for the room. The streets are disgusting and covered with trash. I didn't go into the clubs. I didn't feel it was unsafe; The biggest risk is probably being robbed by a streetwalker when you are in the room. I did see a few trannies and based on hearsay they are the most dangerous. If streetwalkers are your thing, maybe to avoid problems you could pick one of the girls who is standing in front of one the short time hotels and if she works in the same place every day she is less likely to rob you vs some gal on some random street corner....[/QUOTE]Nice, informative, and concise report!

Interesting note about Didi and Uber. Other than closing time on a Saturday night at Andres Carnes in Chia and not really being able to service the airport, have never had a problem with Uber other than when it wasn't available for a time a couple of years ago. Looks like that may be changing again.

Your observations with showing vaccine proof are pretty much what I expected when they came out with these weeks ago. I suspect that once you get out of the bigger cities, enforcement will be minimal if at any at all. I know you didn't enter the clubs in SF, but did you see anyone asking / showing vaccine proof?

Again, thanks for posting your report!

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]Rather than pontificating here is just my report from boots on the ground:

SA.

I did hit some Seeking girls. The prices ranged from 150 k to 250 k plus taxi for two to three hours at my room, to 350k for overnight. They ranged from gals living in the southern barrios to a medical student, so quite a wide range actually. I asked them to bring an ID every time and I cancelled an appointment with one girl who said she had lost her ID. They all have an ID (Cedula), so if they don't there is probably something wrong. I do feel that Seeking gals tend to charge more especially if they speak English. One girl asked for 600 k. I'm sure that if you could find the same girls in another way, eg. On Facebook, they will probably charge less. Unless you are Tom Cruise you should expect to pay for Seeking girls. (The whole premise of the platform is an "arrangement" whereby you trade something. E. g. Sex for money). The overnight girl showed up, then at midnight claimed her kid was sick and she had to go...i didnt beleive a word but was happy for her to go actually as she was lackluster. She claimed she was saving money to study english in Seattle.
[/QUOTE]I did not bother with SA when I was last there. I felt USD100 even for a month to use the platform is a waste of money. However, based on your feedback, it may warrant a second look the next time. I like girls with lower mileage who do not do this full time and whom I can engage her as an escort if there is chemistry between us. The price that you mentioned above is reasonable for multiple hours and relatively cheap for a long term LT service.

When I was last there in Bogota with my Colombian amiga girl, we were both looking for girls via mileroticos to service us. Then again, the price is at a higher premium since we need additional services from the chicas like atenciand a la pareja (attention to couple). Might be nice if I can find more bi-sexual girls in SA.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Transportation.

Uber and Didi sucked. Not many cars, cancel all the time. It seemed easier to to hail a yellow cab. One time I called a Didi for a gal and it broke down in the middle of a slum. The gal was panicking but the driver finally got it going.
[/QUOTE]I got cancelled a few times by Uber as well, until I switched my payment from credit card to cash. I was told that these drivers do not like credit card as payment since it will take a while before they seem them from Uber.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Covid test.

As mentioned by another BM I used Profamillia on CL 34 #14-52. It is like Planned Parenthood and I guess they are just doing testing on the side. It opens at around 7 am, pay 90 k at the cashier for antigen test, wait under the tent for about 30 minutes, get tested, then wait about another 30 mins for the paper result. Can be a bit tricky if you don't speak Spanish. Synlab has a place at the airport but it had a huge line when I passed by.
[/QUOTE]I paid extra for them to just come to my hotel for the test. More convenient for me that way. Also, avoid paying for any extra covid test service when purchasing your ticket from Avianca. I made that mistake since there is no communication from Avianca or anybody even up to the day when I am to fly out. Luckily I have scheduled for the test with another company as a backup. Pure money grab from Avianca if I may say so.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
ATMs.

BBVA reliably gave me 300 k, rate close to 4 k COP / USD, with a fee of about 20 kCOP. BancoColombia denied me every time.

Other sources of girls.

I did strike up a conversation with the security guard in the place I was staying. He told me freelancers usually charge 100-150 k for three to four hours. I didn't get to try, but getting to know a local you can trust could let you tap into sources that are not usually available to tourists.
[/QUOTE]From my last trip, Banco Davivienda seems to be the better option for me. Best ATM rates that I had seen, and better yet, it allowed me to withdraw up to 2,000 mil at a time. The only downside is that they only offer the 50 mil cash and no longer the 100 mil. Is 100 mil cash not in circulation anymore? I prefer not to carry around thick wads of cash.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Accommodation.

I stayed in an airbnb near Santa Fe. It was $35 US per night. I think if you want to hit Santa Fe you are probably better staying within walking distance of it. However, if you want to hit casas you are better of staying in Chapinero as there are more casas up there. The downtown near Santa Fe is safe enough in the daytime but its a graffiti covered dump and is dead and pretty sketchy at night. Santa Fe / Centro wasnt bad for meeting freelancers though as most of them lived in the barrios (slums) in the south.
[/QUOTE]I believe there is the old part of Bogota where the Santa Fe is and the new part of town which I think is called the Zona T, Zona are? Anyway, I went to the area for a breakfast one time and the area was pretty nice. They even have Audi and Maserati dealerships there. Good enough for me, LOL.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Foreigners.

I felt there were very few tourists in town. I think Bogota isn't on most travellers list, vs Medellin which is getting on the (sex) tourist trail. Most of the girls I met claimed they had never met a foreigner before.

Vaccine card
Several places, e.g. Montseratte and the museums asked to see vaccine proof and a picture ID for entry. Most restaurants didnt care.
[/QUOTE]Very true on the girls who would claim about prior experience with foreigners. I think by that it would mean non-Central or non-South Americans.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646202]
Coming back to the US
At Copa airlines check in I needed to show antigen Covid test within 1 day of travel, US online Covid attestation, check Mig and vaccine proof....damn.[/QUOTE]Avianca even made me sign a few pages of declaration, with everything in Spanish, saying that I am fully vaccinated yadiyada. Not sure why I have been singled out on the flight back to sign this, even after I had shown my negative covid test. Are they not allowed to legally ask for my vaccination status to fly back home (who knows?) While they can demand to see that for non-Americans? I would have gladly just shown them my vaccination status if they were only to ask if I can just not waste my time signing those damn declaration papers. Anyway, it's weird and I see it as a cover your ass thing by Avianca.

[QUOTE=Quiksilver;2646306]Nice, informative, and concise report!

Interesting note about Didi and Uber. Other than closing time on a Saturday night at Andres Carnes in Chia and not really being able to service the airport, have never had a problem with Uber other than when it wasn't available for a time a couple of years ago. Looks like that may be changing again.

Your observations with showing vaccine proof are pretty much what I expected when they came out with these weeks ago. I suspect that once you get out of the bigger cities, enforcement will be minimal if at any at all. I know you didn't enter the clubs in SF, but did you see anyone asking / showing vaccine proof?

Again, thanks for posting your report![/QUOTE]Thank you.

I didn't see anyone asking about vaccine proof in SF, but as I mentioned, I didn't enter any of the clubs. The short time hotels didn't care. I think you could just have a picture of the vaccine card and your picture ID just in case. The police do sometimes just stop people and ask for ID so its good practice to carry a picture ID at least. (e. G. A drivers license if you don't want to carry your passport).

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2646430]I did not bother with SA when I was last there. I felt USD100 even for a month to use the platform is a waste of money. However, based on your feedback, it may warrant a second look the next time. I like girls with lower mileage who do not do this full time and whom I can engage her as an escort if there is chemistry between us. The price that you mentioned above is reasonable for multiple hours and relatively cheap for a long term LT service.

When I was last there in Bogota with my Colombian amiga girl, we were both looking for girls via mileroticos to service us. Then again, the price is at a higher premium since we need additional services from the chicas like atenciand a la pareja (attention to couple). Might be nice if I can find more bi-sexual girls in SA.

Reply: Interestingly, one of the seeking girls said she was bisexual, and that her gf forbid her from meeting girls, but it was ok for her to meet guys!

I got cancelled a few times by Uber as well, until I switched my payment from credit card to cash. I was told that these drivers do not like credit card as payment since it will take a while before they seem them from Uber.

I paid extra for them to just come to my hotel for the test. More convenient for me that way. Also, avoid paying for any extra covid test service when purchasing your ticket from Avianca. I made that mistake since there is no communication from Avianca or anybody even up to the day when I am to fly out. Luckily I have scheduled for the test with another company as a backup. Pure money grab from Avianca if I may say so.

From my last trip, Banco Davivienda seems to be the better option for me. Best ATM rates that I had seen, and better yet, it allowed me to withdraw up to 2,000 mil at a time. The only downside is that they only offer the 50 mil cash and no longer the 100 mil. Is 100 mil cash not in circulation anymore? I prefer not to carry around thick wads of cash.

Reply: I only saw 50 mil bills

I believe there is the old pa
rt of Bogota where the Santa Fe is and the new part of town which I think is called the Zona T, Zona are? Anyway, I went to the area for a breakfast one time and the area was pretty nice. They even have Audi and Maserati dealerships there. Good enough for me, LOL.

Reply: I think Zona T is further north, near Chapinero.I stayed in the downtown area near BD Bacata.


Very true on the girls who would claim about prior experience with foreigners. I think by that it would mean non-Central or non-South Americans.

Reply: Yes, by foreigner I mean north Americans, Europeans, etc.

Avianca even made me sign a few pages of declaration, with everything in Spanish, saying that I am fully vaccinated yadiyada. Not sure why I have been singled out on the flight back to sign this, even after I had shown my negative covid test. Are they not allowed to legally ask for my vaccination status to fly back home (who knows?) While they can demand to see that for non-Americans? I would have gladly just shown them my vaccination status if they were only to ask if I can just not waste my time signing those damn declaration papers. Anyway, it's weird and I see it as a cover your ass thing by Avianca.[/QUOTE]Reply: Copa airlines had a similar thing, but it was online.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646601]Thank you.

I didn't see anyone asking about vaccine proof in SF, but as I mentioned, I didn't enter any of the clubs. The short time hotels didn't care. I think you could just have a picture of the vaccine card and your picture ID just in case. The police do sometimes just stop people and ask for ID so its good practice to carry a picture ID at least. (e. G. A drivers license if you don't want to carry your passport).[/QUOTE]They don't ask for vax proof in the clubs-- No One Gives a crap about it. And Everyone is Fine.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2646430]I like girls with lower mileage who do not do this full time and whom I can engage her as an escort if there is chemistry between us.[/QUOTE]And what helps you believe they have lower mileage? Because ONE place they advertise is a website that cost $100 for guys? Everyone likes chicks with lower mileage so everyone runs over there to get chicks with lower mileage in turn making them chicks with higher mileage. Hmmm.

Or maybe you believe she is only a hooker every third Thursday from 5-7 pm and just happens to be luck that that is when you are in town. Just because they do not do it full time does not mean they do not do it all the time. All you know is what they tell you.

A lot of times if I order a chick off the internet then she will ask where I saw her ad. This is because different sites are known to have different general prices. If I saw her on site A she knows to charge me prices relative to site A and if site B then prices relative to site B. This is why I never tell them which site, but if they give me some high price, I say but your ad says a lower price; because they do not advertise on only one site.

I do not use SA. Any ideas, male via female full membership price?

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2646606]
Reply: Interestingly, one of the seeking girls said she was bisexual, and that her gf forbid her from meeting girls, but it was ok for her to meet guys!
[/QUOTE]Thanks for that info. This is really helpful. I went into SA and did an initial scan of those in Bogota. Many of them in fact look good. Of course, I will never know if any of them are catfish, but I would tend filter out those that look too good to be true, such as model photo shoots.

If I may ask, how do you typically operate within this platform? Do you initiate a chat with them directly and then bring up the services that they are willing to offer etc?

What is the typical response rate from the girls in those list? How far ahead do you usually initiate contact with them?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2646776]And what helps you believe they have lower mileage? Because ONE place they advertise is a website that cost $100 for guys? Everyone likes chicks with lower mileage so everyone runs over there to get chicks with lower mileage in turn making them chicks with higher mileage. Hmmm.

Or maybe you believe she is only a hooker every third Thursday from 5-7 pm and just happens to be luck that that is when you are in town. Just because they do not do it full time does not mean they do not do it all the time. All you know is what they tell you.[/QUOTE]Good point, but you have to know the numbers. There are 4 X as many women on seeking as men. In some countries, the ratio is much better for men. A $100 is nothing for men in the USA and a little harder for men in Mexico (though there are more Mexican men on seeking than anywhere), but it is more of a deterrent in Colombia. So in Bogota, you probably have a few hundred men looking at 10,000+ women. Could they be hos elsewhere? I guess but does it even matter?

I met a gal who worked retail. She was an ex beauty queen from Venezuela. She was amazingly fashionable, danced great, and had the tightest pussy I had been with in years. She said she had not had sex for years and maybe she had not. She was not skilled orally at all.

I see her a second time and take her shopping. The women pushed for all that she could get. The bill was crazy high for someone in Colombia. Up until then, she had not mentioned a price and not been terribly materialistic. She told me I was the first guy she met from the site. Shortly thereafter, it is pretty clear that she is just interested in money and not me at all and I break it off with her. She is a ho who did a good job hiding she was a ho, but I followed her on Instagram.

A few months later, she shows that she has a treasure of things. Silk this, gold that. She hit the jackpot and I think wanted to show me and others she did. I think she was trying to show me that she had it made. Maybe she was hoping I would react because two weeks later, she unfriended me. A few months later, she reappears on seeking (obviously the guy who bought her all that stuff learned what she was like I did) and then finally fades away. I bet she got no new takers for her BS.

Seeking shows how long you have been on the site. So if you have been on for years, no one is going to consider you low volume. It was nice fucking that tight pussy but if even I thought she was low volume and not truly a ho, that was quickly disproved. Hell, she was as big a ho as I ever met even. What was obvious to me after I met her is that she was not going to be low volume for long.

For the record though Mr. E, she exuded a health, class, and energy I have not seen from any dancer, ho, or club girl. Appearance wise, you could bring home to your family and not be embarrassed and I have only met women like her from seeking.

Closing out Bogota.

Sad to be leaving Bogota, but I think I've done enough here. Have 2 tinder girls interested in maybe coming up to Medellin to visit. Both early 20's and good families so pretty much paying their own way, challenge is them getting leave from work.

On my last day, caught up again with the other board member, took a walk-through SF. It was a Monday and the first in the new year, unbelievable slow. And, really confirmed for me the SF street scene isn't for me. You might be excited by it at first, I was too, but personally, I prefer to pay more for a better experience. The SF club scene certainly has its place, there something special about going out drinking with some friends and knowing you could have any girl in the place.

My buddy asked me what my highlight was, and it was a girl from seeking. Dyed white, blonde, slightly punk look, perfect English (she lived in US for a while), petite build, and for me, the best figure of anyone I saw in Bogota. With her permission, I'm posting her name on SA, which is Tallulah (only one in Bogota at time of post). I know I'm wasting my time but. Don't be a dick.

Also made an appointment through an agency, did not disappoint. I've focused so much on non-pros; I've forgotten how nice and simple a complete pro can be.

I'm onto Medellin now, have a few (but less) contacts in the bag. Always keen for a drink. Let me know if you have questions or want to hang out.

P.S.

Seen a few notes lately on logistics, so here's mine, quickly:

- Only used Servibanca ATMs, they have a $2,000 k limit for overseas cards, which is great. I always decline conversion and get the Visa / Mastercard rate.

- Used LATAM for travel between Bogota and Medellin (Premium). Had to change my flight, and they were slow, but ultimately good to deal with.

- Uber the whole time. Benefit to Taxis (ordered through uber app) is that you can sit in the back rather than in the front – great if you have company.

- AirBnB – the check-in desk thing can be interesting, if you're trying to sign in guests. I had no issues, but as an observation, if you get your guests to act like the resident and head straight for elevator. You can sometimes bypass. My buddy had to sign me in once, hilarious.

Rounding up a short trip to Bogotá before heading to Medellin.

Hopefully works off a tiny piece of my debt to this forum.

Arrived New Year's Day. City was almost completely empty, and a lot of things were closed until 3rd. Photoprepagos was very tough to get replies, I believe a lot of the girls weren't working, but their adverts were still being posted automatically. Definitely improved after 3/4 Jan.

I'm not too serious about this stuff, so didn't really go into Santa Fe, but the little piece I saw wasn't exactly hopping either.

Saw two girls from eróticas Bogotá. Xiomy first, skinny, fairly pretty, but not full of confidence. My somewhat poor Spanish probably didn't help. Wouldn't repeat but don't regret it.

Zaira however was phenomenal. Think she's been mentioned on this board previously. Skinny, fantastic body and very pretty.

A few tattoos have been removed from the photos on their website. Extremely energetic, full of confidence and speaks great English. A pleasure in all respects. Can't recommend her enough.

[QUOTE=ManchesterCat;2647230]Closing out Bogota.

Sad to be leaving Bogota, but I think I've done enough here. [/QUOTE]I know exactly how that feels, since I felt sad too when I left Bogota. Even though I was there once for only a few days, it has begun to grow on me.

I would love to check the newer part of the city at Zona Rosa or Zona T the next time, since I like to go clubbing at higher end clubs with good techno, EDM and House music. Looks like I would have to use SA the next time to secure a girl or two to be my escorts, and improve on my conversational Spanish before my next trip.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2647207]There are 4 X as many women on seeking as men. In some countries, the ratio is much better for men. A $100 is nothing for men in the USA and a little harder for men in Mexico (though there are more Mexican men on seeking than anywhere), but it is more of a deterrent in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Last year a poster mentioned doing something that I had never thought of. Evidently Cupid price discriminates. He set his VPN to Argentina. When he went to pay on Cupid it was way cheaper using Argentine Pesos than what it costs paying from USA in USD or Europe in Euros. Maybe this same thing would work for Seeking.

[QUOTE=NoMoreNails;2647334]Rounding up a short trip to Bogot before heading to Medellin.

Hopefully works off a tiny piece of my debt to this forum.

Arrived New Year's Day. City was almost completely empty, and a lot of things were closed until 3rd. Photoprepagos was very tough to get replies, I believe a lot of the girls weren't working, but their adverts were still being posted automatically. Definitely improved after 3/4 Jan.

I'm not too serious about this stuff, so didn't really go into Santa Fe, but the little piece I saw wasn't exactly hopping either.

Saw two girls from erticas Bogot. Xiomy first, skinny, fairly pretty, but not full of confidence. My somewhat poor Spanish probably didn't help. Wouldn't repeat but don't regret it.

Zaira however was phenomenal. Think she's been mentioned on this board previously. Skinny, fantastic body and very pretty.

A few tattoos have been removed from the photos on their website. Extremely energetic, full of confidence and speaks great English. A pleasure in all respects. Can't recommend her enough.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the club. Report like yours makes this forum better.

Regarding Eroticas Bogota, I had a very good experience with both Hanna and Fernanda. Fernanda was passionate and l like her services.

[QUOTE=ClownDays;2646102]This is why most people have shitty SA / Facebook / Tinder / Badoo / Cupid dates and experiences. They are unwilling to do the mountain of work it takes to have a great experience.[/QUOTE]Great point. Some guys get upset when someone says no or they have a bad experience. I try to learn from my mistakes and just keep moving forward. Never give up or get frustrated, you will be surprised what might happen.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2646948]Thanks for that info. This is really helpful. I went into SA and did an initial scan of those in Bogota. Many of them in fact look good. Of course, I will never know if any of them are catfish, but I would tend filter out those that look too good to be true, such as model photo shoots.

If I may ask, how do you typically operate within this platform? Do you initiate a chat with them directly and then bring up the services that they are willing to offer etc?

What is the typical response rate from the girls in those list? How far ahead do you usually initiate contact with them?[/QUOTE]I never met a girl with fake pics on SA. As for how to operate, set your search parameter to the women who are newly on seeking and go for the ones you like there the most. Your hit rate may not be as high as the ones who are on the site all the time but you are less likely to get that seasoned hos. If they have been on for multiple years, they probably are hos.

For the most part, I would refrain from setting a price unless you are asked. If she mentions a price, she is probably a WG. The best experiences I had were when no price was mentioned. Seeking had been perverted but the goal of it was to skirt USA prostitution laws. It is legal to give a gift after sex but not a wage. This was discovered by happenstance. I would text the girl say I was interested in meeting and then just forgot to talk price and yet many just showed up anyway. That does not work in the USA, girls only will meet if there are $ involved.

So yeah, do the carpet bombing thing. Send out short messages to as many as you like, Then when you have one respond, proceed to getting her WhatsApp number. You need to learn to use WhatsApp as everyone uses it. Some are using telegram now. I averaged 2 or 3 dates in Bogota and Medellin and as Don Carlos said was fucking so much my dick was going to fall off.

Other reason to use seeking is that you can get bareback. That is a problem with any of the working girls. I could not get the women to do it no matter how much I offered. I think I went bare with all but a few seeking women when I was there. Plan be is over the counter there, and I recommend you give the women that pill plan be when you are done. I never had any of them reject it.

At the time, I thought Colombian women were hotter than Mexicans and my goal was to fly them there and see them every week or two for a fuck fest. Thing is I had plenty of sex in Mexico and had no need to do it until I met a top of the line Colombian. Colombian women are valued by Mexicans because IMO you do not find many 10's in Mexico.

I know most guys are just going to use seeking to fuck. Thing is usually if you have the time it is wear better to dive deeper into a woman you like. Once you do that, you will find that Colombian women will not just suck your cock but worship it.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2646948]Thanks for that info. This is really helpful. I went into SA and did an initial scan of those in Bogota. Many of them in fact look good. Of course, I will never know if any of them are catfish, but I would tend filter out those that look too good to be true, such as model photo shoots.

If I may ask, how do you typically operate within this platform? Do you initiate a chat with them directly and then bring up the services that they are willing to offer etc?

What is the typical response rate from the girls in those list? How far ahead do you usually initiate contact with them?[/QUOTE]This is how I use SA in Bog:

I have premium membership. At $100 per month its overpriced, but as I am working in the US it doesn't matter that much. You could try free membership first and see how it goes. I don't know what the differences are.

I set up my own profile with a few pics. I put a very brief intro in Spanish. I say my income etc are modest; if you claim to be a high roller you will just attract expensive girls. Not necesarily better, just more expensive.

You can put the letters "SD' if you want. It stands for "Sugar daddy", and its code for p4 p. Even in Spanish, they know what it means. The girls sometimes put "SB" (sugar baby) or just "Sugar" in their profile also. Sugar is just a euphemism for money.

You can lie about your age (e. G. Make it younger) as there is no age verification. You should do this when you set up your profile as you can't do it after.

A week or two before a trip I set my location to where I'm going, e. G. Bogota. Then search for whatever you want, e. G. Bogota, 50 mile radius, age 18-25, etc. Then search and just start "liking" gals you like (click the heart icon). You can also message them directly.

I usually go for average girls, girl next door types; less hassle and more willing to please than Instagram model type bitches. Remember, even the average girl in Bogota is hot compared to most western bitches.

If it is more than a few weeks away I wouldn't bother as they will lose interest. One week before is ideal.

Response rate for me was about 30% for the inital chat. Maybe 1 in ten you will actually meet.

Even though I barely speak Spanish I do all messaging in Spanish using google translate and copy and paste. You can also translate the girls mesages on your phone by touching the girls message and holding, it then lets you "select all" then "translate" to English right on the screen.

Once they reply then send a few mesages in chat such as "Hola". "Soy Pussycat", "Como Estas". (Hi, I'm pussycat, how are you).

Then just move it to WhatsApp (Which they all have) by saying "Tienes WhatsApp?

If they reply with their number just add a contact on WhatApp then start chatting there.

I usually come straight out on WhatsApp and say in Spanish " I would like to meet you for a date of two hours; if everthing is good we will make love, and I will pay you 200 mil plus Ubers". Nine times out of then they will either say "ok", or will say "make it 250 mil" etc.

As for the James Bond shit claimed by some, having "game", banging chicks for free yada yada yada. Sure, do that if you want but when time is of the essence on a short vacation just slap the money on the table and get laid. By the time you have banged one chick "for free" after having wined and dined her at expensive restaurants and hotels I will have paid for and banged five gals from the barrios. When I was 25 I was banging models for free. At 55, I just pay.

You can order an Uber / Didi to pick them up or you can reimburse them when they arrive.

I shift it to WhatApp because SA claims to ban users who "solicit pro**itution" which is of course bullshit because that's what SA is a platform for, but whatever, I wouldn't discuss trading money for sex directly on the app. Plus, gals always check messages on WhatsApp all the time whereas they might only go on SA every few days.

Another good reason to move it to WhatsApp is because if you get in a fight with a girl on the app they can report you and get you banned. If you are outside the app there is nothing they can do.

Generally any girls with English in her profile or claiming to speak English will charge more. And any girl quoting a price in dollars is trying to charge more.

Assuming you are in Bogota I wouldnt bother trying to meet anyone who isn't in Bogota. I sent $30 to one gal for a bus to Bogota and then she instantly starting begging for money so I didn't end up meeting her.

I would tell them they need an ID to meet you ("Cedula") to make sure they are 18 and that they are legit. For two reasons: pro**itution is illegal under 18 in Colombia and they are less likely to scam / rob you if you see there ID. You can even ask hem to send a picture of it if you want.

Hide / lock up all your shit when they come to you room. Don't take drugs / drink alcohol with them as they could drug and rob you. It never happended to me, but it has happened.

Almost all gals I contacted were willing to trade sex for money. This is what I got quoted or what I actually paid in Bogota (4,000 COP / USD):

Instagram model types: $150+/2 hrs (600,000 COP+).

Gals speaking English well: 400,000 COP /2 hrs.

Average girl: 200-250 k COP + Ubers (20-40 k COP).

Low end: 150 k COP /2-3 hrs.

I suggest an opening gambit of 200 k ("200 mil") plus Ubers for 2 hrs.

Typical session for me was BBBJ, CFS. Other stuff by negotiation.

A few actual gals I met on SA in Bogota:

A medical student.

An English teacher.

Several gals from the barrio (slums) in the south.

A gal claiming she had an online store.

A Venezulean claiming she was divorced from a Chinese guy and was visiting her sister in Bog.

A gal who delivered fire extinguishers.

Naysayers wil trash SA as a overpriced platform and maybe it is, but I think it has some merits. And I know, you can get a streetwalker for 30 K in SF but remember, that's a 15 minute quickie in a shitty short time room in a disgusting RLD, versus 2 hrs of GFE like experience in you own room. You can't equate the two.

No doubt many of the gals on SA could be found on other platforms / met in other ways, possibly for less money, and if you have the time and contacts to find them then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is just one of the options. If I lived in Bog I most likely would not use it. But for the average two week millionaire SA is not too bad.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2647591]This is how I use SA in Bog:
I usually come straight out on WhatsApp and say in Spanish " I would like to meet you for a date of two hours; if everthing is good we will make love, and I will pay you 200 mil plus Ubers". Nine times out of then they will either say "ok", or will say "make it 250 mil" etc.[/QUOTE]I wanted to ask about the Uber, I use it when I travel, so sparsely. Do you order the ride on your phone or just reimburse. On the later, I would assume they try to say it was a long. Way.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2647591]This is how I use SA in Bog:

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No doubt many of the gals on SA could be found on other platforms / met in other ways, possibly for less money, and if you have the time and contacts to find them then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is just one of the options. If I lived in Bog I most likely would not use it. But for the average two week millionaire SA is not too bad.[/QUOTE]I greatly appreciate all these info that you had provided. Thank you.

How does it work when you want to extend sessions in Santa Fe? Do you give the girl more money and then she gets dressed, goes out to pay more money at the office, and then comes back? Or would it better to get dressed yourself, go to the office to pay for more time in the room, and then come back to pay the girl for another rato?

[QUOTE=Trim1;2647708]How does it work when you want to extend sessions in Santa Fe? Do you give the girl more money and then she gets dressed, goes out to pay more money at the office, and then comes back? Or would it better to get dressed yourself, go to the office to pay for more time in the room, and then come back to pay the girl for another rato?[/QUOTE]Usually the girl will go and pay-- If you already know her You can arrange it up front.

If you do not know her it is a good idea to do one and extend.

Just tell the girl you want more time, give her more money and hotel money for extended time. She would call out to someone to come and take the money.

I find it much sexier when I am with the girl on a nice, clean bed. I took this girl tel, had her walk to my hotel for an hour for 100 M. She was skinny but nice, fun, camera loving. Had a big erection with her and could not wait to penetrate, lasted only half hour. A wingman took a girl on taxi to his condo. She stayed a couple hours for nonstop BB sex, all for 40 M. A lot of girls would walk out of the muddy calles to your hotel if you give them some extras.

Hotel Europa is 1 star hotel on Calle 23 next to Car 15 at the edge of Santa Fe, but rooms are fairly large, nice, clean, bright, clean sheets and towels, costs only 40 M a night plus 20 M to bring in girls, but you can negotiate with that guy.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2646948]Thanks for that info. This is really helpful. I went into SA and did an initial scan of those in Bogota. Many of them in fact look good. Of course, I will never know if any of them are catfish, but I would tend filter out those that look too good to be true, such as model photo shoots.

If I may ask, how do you typically operate within this platform? Do you initiate a chat with them directly and then bring up the services that they are willing to offer etc?

What is the typical response rate from the girls in those list? How far ahead do you usually initiate contact with them?[/QUOTE]Forgot to mention, all the girls I met on SA looked exactly like their pics. Some even looked better in person. If you meet them outside your building and you don't like them, or their pics were heavily filtered, just pay them their Uber fare with maybe a little extra for goodwill and say goodbye. They arent gonna summon up the ghost of Pablo Escobar to come after you.

To me, Bogota runs like that song, "The Hills:

"Im just tryna get u out the friendzone.

Cause you look even better than the photos.

I just fucked two bitches 'fore I saw you.

You gon' have to do it at my tempo.

And I only fuck you when its half past five." Haha.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2647675]I greatly appreciate all these info that you had provided. Thank you.[/QUOTE]No problem, that's what this board is for.

[QUOTE=Diviant;2647672]I wanted to ask about the Uber, I use it when I travel, so sparsely. Do you order the ride on your phone or just reimburse. On the later, I would assume they try to say it was a long. Way.[/QUOTE]There are few ways of doing it:

First of all, there is one big advantage of arranging her transportation: you know where she is and when she will arrive, vs waiting around for her to show up.

Plus, girls are more likley to show up if you pay their transportation. Some of them are flat broke.

On Uber you can select "arrange a ride for someone else" or something, but it never seemed to work that well, so normally I just get the adress and put that as the pickup adress and your own adress as the destination, then just message the driver and say in Spanish "the passengers name is xxx and her number is xxx" so he can call her if he can't find her. I found that method worked well.

You can pay credit card or cash when they arrive. Didi drivers especially seemed to prefer cash.

Sometimes drivers cancell, which is a pain. One time I couldn't find an Uber for a gal so she just jumped in a cab and I met her on arrival and paid him cash.

Taxis / Ubers etc are dirt cheap in Bogota. A 45 minute ride might cost 30,000 COP, which is $8 USD. Its so cheap its not even worth thinking about. Its the price of a Bic Mac and fries where I live.

Yelow cabs are also a good option if you are on the streets. Just hail one and go. They seem like swarms of yellow locusts, they are everywhere in Bogota.

One girl arrived on the back of a motorcycle. Cheaper than a cab I guess.

The only problem I had was with Didi. A girl from down south got a Didi to meet me. The damn car broke down in the middle of a slum half way to my place. She was panicking and didn't have the money to get home and didn't have much data left on her phone. I could have been a dick and said is your problem, but I thought that would have been mean. So I said, ok send me your location and I will come and get you. Just as we were coordinating things the driver managed to start the car, and she made it to my place. Haha.

While I'm in the mood let me just relay a little story from Bogota on New Years Eve, 2021.

I was in Bogota over the holidays, and I was having too much fun in Santa Fe, on Seeking and elsewhere.

Everything was running like clockwork. Ok, I did get robbed by a streetwalker in SF who stuck her sticky fingers into my pants pocket, but that was my own stupid fault for being careless.

So it was all fun and games, and then along came new years eve.

A girl from out of town was with me, and as it got to late afternoon the subject of what to do on new years eve came up.

I wasnt sure, so we asked the security guard at the lobby of the building. He assured us that there would be a huge party in Plaza Bolivar with fireworks and the whole nine yards. Well, that place was about 20 minute walk from my apartment so we thought tht being new years eve it would be hard to get a taxi, so we planned to walk down there.

So at about 11 pm we set off walking to the Plaza on Carrera 7 which is a pedestrianised street which is normally bustling but was now pretty quiet and all the stores were shuttered. In fact there were few people around but we guessed they would all be down near the Plaza. So we kept on walking.

After about ten or fifteen minutes as we got nearer to the Plaza the people got less and less. There were one or two cops and a few homeless and other low lifes hanging around in doorways. It was weird because we thought this is where crowds of people would streaming to the plaza. Anyway, we were committed now so we kept walking, but a bit faster now, and a bit more nervously.

Then we got to the Plaza. It is huge place, about the size of red Square in Moscow. And it was absolutely fucking deserted. There were two people in that square, and they were me and my gal.

Fuck, it must have been cancelled. For Covid, or lack of money, or who knows why. So now we were at least 20 minutes walk away from my apartment in downtown Bogota at midnight with nobody around.

But it turned out, there were people around. In fact there were several people, hanging around in shadows, in doorways, and they were looking right at us. One blond haired gringo and his gal in a place they had no business being. So we turned round and started walking back. Then my gal said two words to me:

"I'm scared".

So I said, no its fine, lets just walk back. But guess what I was thinking:

You arent the only one.

But of course a man with balls wouldn't show he was scared with his gal next to him. Right?

And the next thing I thought was:

This is going to be a fucking long walk.

I also thought I must the the dumbest fucker in Bogota.

Anyway, I rationalised, the worst that could happen is that we get robbed at knifepoint. Well maybe that's not the worst, but still.

So we kept walking, faster and faster. And those eyes kept looking.

Then she says:

" Lets get an Uber".

Get an Uber. At midnight on new years eve. In a deserted downtown. So we would probably have to wait forever for the Uber to show up. Which didn't seem like a great idea.

So we just kept walking straight down the middle of that deserted shithole street that is Carrera 7. And just then a rat scuttled across the street in front of us. And it seems he stopped for a moment as if to say what the FUCK are you doing here?

Just then we passed another couple who were standing nervously on a street corner. So maybe we werent the only people who grossly miscalculated. So we just kept walking.

Then just at that moment a cab drove by on a cross street. And we started running and waving and shouting at him like someone shipwrecked on desert island when a plane flys over. And guess what. He just kept going. Fuck. And just at that moment my gal looked like she was going to cry.

And then the Christmas miracle happened. The cab stopped a block away. And guess what. He started reversing. And he kept reversing, until he stopped right next to where we were standing. And we got in. And it just proves that praying doesn't work, because I haven't been to church for years.

Anyway, he started driving away immediately because it seemed even he didn't want to be in that fucking place. Then we gave him the adress of my place, but he seemed a little confused. It turned out the couple who were standing on the street corner had ordered this cab and he was supposed to pick them up. So we had basically stolen their cab. Not knowingly but stolen it nonetheless. But when the driver realised he said fuck it lets go. So we did.

So as we drove away I realised that in a few minutes I would be back home, safe, in my apartment with 24/7 security and Netflix. And with my gal in bed beside me.

And just when I thought we had dodged a bullet, my gal said to the driver:

"Do know any places we can go to celebrate?

And the driver said:

"Yeah, I know a place, its in the barrio".

So just at the moment when I thought we were going home safe this gal asks the driver to take us to the middle of the exact place where I had been told to NEVER set foot.

And is why, my friends, if women did not have a pussy, we would build a fortress with 50 foot walls and banish them to the outside to be eaten by wolves.

So I looked at her with a look that said, are you out of your fucking mind?

So we drove a while to some place in the middle of fucking nowhere. And it looked like the perfect place for the buddies of this cab driver to jump out and do whatever the fuck they do to dumb gringos who stumble into the wrong neighbourhood.

And it ended up that there was no fucking party, or gang of hoodlums. It was just as simple as the cab driver inflating his fare by driving round neighbourhoods letting his meter fare accumulate at the request of the dumb b**** sitting next to me.

So I said lets just go back to my place. Now.

And we did.

So we ended up in my apartment, just after midnight, without even a scratch. So maybe this cat only has 8 lives left, but hes still purring. The good news is, from my 22nd floor window I was able to look across at the barrio and see all the fireworks shooting into the sky. You could even hear the occasional rat-tat tat of automatic weapon fire mixed in with the boom-boom of the rockets. And for some reason my bed that night night felt so much more comfy than usual.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;2647737]Just tell the girl you want more time, give her more money and hotel money for extended time. She would call out to someone to come and take the money.

I find it much sexier when I am with the girl on a nice, clean bed. I took this girl tel, had her walk to my hotel for an hour for 100 M.[/QUOTE]Thanks!

I tried to send you a PM, but your mailbox is full.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2647858]I wasnt sure, so we asked the security guard at the lobby of the building. He assured us that there would be a huge party in Plaza Bolivar with fireworks and the whole nine yards.[/QUOTE]That is hilarious. Fireworks? New Years Eve is the quietest night of the year in Bogota. People are home with their families. Years ago you could find a club or 2 open in Zona Rosa to have a good time with friends, but those spots were torn down and stores like Nike built in their places. One night like 12 years ago I saw a lady walking really fast around the block rolling a suitcase behind her. She said it meant traveling into the new year. Maybe it is some superstitious thing to do that will get you to travel more in the upcoming year. But no, there is no grand anything there on New Years Eve. The place is as quiet as a mouse.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2647591]This is how I use SA in Bog:

I have premium membership. At $100 per month its overpriced, but as I am working in the US it doesn't matter that much.[/QUOTE]I have heard enough. You and Elvis have twisted my arm enough that I decided to make another profile on Seeking. I never paid for the site before but for some unknown reason got kicked off. Even when I tried signing up again with my normal email address it said email does not exist. So I used another address.

I only put 1 picture up and that was literally of the back of my head and 15 chicks have already shown interest. They want that money! In the title and description I put something in Spanish about meeting up. I will pay the $109 and start hitting them up maybe 3 days before I go to Colombia next month.

I did set my VPN to Brazil when I made the account and pulled up the cost. That had no bearing on how much it was.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2647950]I have heard enough. You and Elvis have twisted my arm enough that I decided to make another profile on Seeking. I never paid for the site before but for some unknown reason got kicked off. Even when I tried signing up again with my normal email address it said email does not exist. So I used another address.

I only put 1 picture up and that was literally of the back of my head and 15 chicks have already shown interest. They want that money! In the title and description I put something in Spanish about meeting up. I will pay the $109 and start hitting them up maybe 3 days before I go to Colombia next month.

I did set my VPN to Brazil when I made the account and pulled up the cost. That had no bearing on how much it was.[/QUOTE]I started a new Seeking account and have been focusing here in the States. In less than a week, I already had my first meet and greet set up! Wrote about it in the Seeking Arrangements thread. I can only imagine what it would be like in Colombia or Brazil or some place like that. Lots of scammers and stuff, but plenty of "legit" too. I have women from all over Latin America and the rest of the world contacting me. I hide anybody not in my area. Can't deal with all of that!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2647950]
I only put 1 picture up and that was literally of the back of my head and 15 chicks have already shown interest. They want that money! In the title and description I put something in Spanish about meeting up. [/QUOTE]I did something similar too and put up a profile picture. I am no Don Juan and out of shape, yet I am already hit by many good looking girls in their early 20's that have viewed and favorited me. Several of them even sent me chats and request to view my private photos. I did apply a promotional boost that SA gave me upon completion of the profile.

Anyway, it will be quite a while before I can make another trip there, so I would not pay for their premium service until a week or so before until I can make the trip again. In any case, I would not be able to respond to any of the girls at this time.

Also another unscientific analysis, I noticed that Colombian girls seem to be very active and has the most number of Sugar Babies listed. Just for fun, I entered the many cities in the different countries that I would usually visit, and here is my observation and value based on the number of good looking active and new listings in the search.

Colombia / Bogota: Good.

Colombia / Cartagena: Average.

Germany / Dusseldorf: Good (though they are more dispersed in different neighboring cities).

Germany / Frankfurt: Below average.

Netherland / Amsterdam: Good.

Indonesia / Jakarta: Poor.

Indonesia / Bali: Poor.

Thailand / Bangkok: Poor.

Philippines / Manila: Good.

Philippines / Angeles City: Good (Include spillover from Manila).

Singapore: Poor.

This makes interesting analytics in terms of the potential usage and popularity of the app in different countries.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2647950]I have heard enough. You and Elvis have twisted my arm enough that I decided to make another profile on Seeking. I never paid for the site before but for some unknown reason got kicked off. Even when I tried signing up again with my normal email address it said email does not exist. So I used another address.

I only put 1 picture up and that was literally of the back of my head and 15 chicks have already shown interest. They want that money!.[/QUOTE]LOL. It is not just me that got a GF off of seeking. I met two before mine that I would have characterize as GF like. Kazeu met his GF off of seeking when he was in Bogota, and DonCarlos was so bowled over by a hot lawyer that he almost got married before a fellow ISGer pulled him away.

Pull them off of seeking and onto whatsapp as soon as you can and when making a search, I would filter so the girls who have been on the site the shortest come up first. The ho types tend to have been the ones on the longest and those who speak English.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2648423]LOL. It is not just me that got a GF off of seeking. I met two before mine that I would have characterize as GF like. Kazeu met his GF off of seeking when he was in Bogota, and DonCarlos was so bowled over by a hot lawyer that he almost got married before a fellow ISGer pulled him away.

Pull them off of seeking and onto whatsapp as soon as you can and when making a search, I would filter so the girls who have been on the site the shortest come up first. The ho types tend to have been the ones on the longest and those who speak English.[/QUOTE]I read your posts and a lot of it makes sense, but how do you how do you determine, who is a working girl and who is not? If this is the quality of sex, then a prostitute can do it much better than an ordinary woman.

Funny, SA is a diamond for me. This is the same I do while in Bogota for 2 weeks.

The only difference is I skip the dinner part and just ask them to come over. Usually a 80% success rate.

Great report Pussycat.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2647591]This is how I use SA in Bog:

I have premium membership. At $100 per month its overpriced, but as I am working in the US it doesn't matter that much. You could try free membership first and see how it goes. I don't know what the differences are.

I set up my own profile with a few pics. I put a very brief intro in Spanish. I say my income etc are modest; if you claim to be a high roller you will just attract expensive girls. Not necesarily better, just more expensive.

You can put the letters "SD' if you want. It stands for "Sugar daddy", and its code for p4 p. Even in Spanish, they know what it means. The girls sometimes put "SB" (sugar baby) or just "Sugar" in their profile also. Sugar is just a euphemism for money.

You can lie about your age (e. G. Make it younger) as there is no age verification. You should do this when you set up your profile as you can't do it after.

A week or two before a trip I set my location to where I'm going, e. G. Bogota. Then search for whatever you want, e. G. Bogota, 50 mile radius, age 18-25, etc. Then search and just start "liking" gals you like (click the heart icon). You can also message them directly.

I usually go for average girls, girl next door types; less hassle and more willing to please than Instagram model type bitches. Remember, even the average girl in Bogota is hot compared to most western bitches.

If it is more than a few weeks away I wouldn't bother as they will lose interest. One week before is ideal.

Response rate for me was about 30% for the inital chat. Maybe 1 in ten you will actually meet.

Even though I barely speak Spanish I do all messaging in Spanish using google translate and copy and paste. You can also translate the girls mesages on your phone by touching the girls message and holding, it then lets you "select all" then "translate" to English right on the screen.

Once they reply then send a few mesages in chat such as "Hola". "Soy Pussycat", "Como Estas". (Hi, I'm pussycat, how are you).

Then just move it to WhatsApp (Which they all have) by saying "Tienes WhatsApp?

If they reply with their number just add a contact on WhatApp then start chatting there.

I usually come straight out on WhatsApp and say in Spanish " I would like to meet you for a date of two hours; if everthing is good we will make love, and I will pay you 200 mil plus Ubers". Nine times out of then they will either say "ok", or will say "make it 250 mil" etc.

As for the James Bond shit claimed by some, having "game", banging chicks for free yada yada yada. Sure, do that if you want but when time is of the essence on a short vacation just slap the money on the table and get laid. By the time you have banged one chick "for free" after having wined and dined her at expensive restaurants and hotels I will have paid for and banged five gals from the barrios. When I was 25 I was banging models for free. At 55, I just pay.

You can order an Uber / Didi to pick them up or you can reimburse them when they arrive.

I shift it to WhatApp because SA claims to ban users who "solicit pro**itution" which is of course bullshit because that's what SA is a platform for, but whatever, I wouldn't discuss trading money for sex directly on the app. Plus, gals always check messages on WhatsApp all the time whereas they might only go on SA every few days.

Another good reason to move it to WhatsApp is because if you get in a fight with a girl on the app they can report you and get you banned. If you are outside the app there is nothing they can do.

Generally any girls with English in her profile or claiming to speak English will charge more. And any girl quoting a price in dollars is trying to charge more.

Assuming you are in Bogota I wouldnt bother trying to meet anyone who isn't in Bogota. I sent $30 to one gal for a bus to Bogota and then she instantly starting begging for money so I didn't end up meeting her.

I would tell them they need an ID to meet you ("Cedula") to make sure they are 18 and that they are legit. For two reasons: pro**itution is illegal under 18 in Colombia and they are less likely to scam / rob you if you see there ID. You can even ask hem to send a picture of it if you want.

Hide / lock up all your shit when they come to you room. Don't take drugs / drink alcohol with them as they could drug and rob you. It never happended to me, but it has happened.

Almost all gals I contacted were willing to trade sex for money. This is what I got quoted or what I actually paid in Bogota (4,000 COP / USD):

Instagram model types: $150+/2 hrs (600,000 COP+).

Gals speaking English well: 400,000 COP /2 hrs.

Average girl: 200-250 k COP + Ubers (20-40 k COP).

Low end: 150 k COP /2-3 hrs.

I suggest an opening gambit of 200 k ("200 mil") plus Ubers for 2 hrs.

Typical session for me was BBBJ, CFS. Other stuff by negotiation.

A few actual gals I met on SA in Bogota:

A medical student.

An English teacher.

Several gals from the barrio (slums) in the south.

A gal claiming she had an online store.

A Venezulean claiming she was divorced from a Chinese guy and was visiting her sister in Bog.

A gal who delivered fire extinguishers.

Naysayers wil trash SA as a overpriced platform and maybe it is, but I think it has some merits. And I know, you can get a streetwalker for 30 K in SF but remember, that's a 15 minute quickie in a shitty short time room in a disgusting RLD, versus 2 hrs of GFE like experience in you own room. You can't equate the two.

No doubt many of the gals on SA could be found on other platforms / met in other ways, possibly for less money, and if you have the time and contacts to find them then go ahead. At the end of the day, it is just one of the options. If I lived in Bog I most likely would not use it. But for the average two week millionaire SA is not too bad.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2648883]Funny, SA is a diamond for me. This is the same I do while in Bogota for 2 weeks.

The only difference is I skip the dinner part and just ask them to come over. Usually a 80% success rate.

Great report Pussycat.[/QUOTE]Dangerous, asking them to come over. You can get alot of fatties with thin photos, smellies, and others you would disqualify if you first met them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2644887]Of course it is all about the money if you are making that way. You sit there and talk down on someone telling them how poor they are and that you will give them money. That sounds like some uppity superiority stuff to me. Being an alpha male is not telling someone you have arrived to pay all of their bills and fix all of their problems. Being an alpha male is teaching them ways not to get into problems and showing them ways of solving problems themselves.

I had a friend in Brazil that went to an interview to get a USA visa. She told the officer how she was going to be staying with this guy and he would take care of everything. She was then asked what if something happens to that person? Visa DENIED! So if something happens to the alpha male that you describe they are right back to square one.

I approach people in a normal conversation. I would never tell someone I am here to pay their bills and fix their problems. Maybe that is why I do not get chicks where it is all about the money. If I am talking about money to a chick then you can believe 100% that she is a hooker.

Total opposite from me. I tell them I am going to give them a baby knowing full well that I can't have kids.[/QUOTE]I enjoy reading your conversations with the girls LOL. Seems like you understand what makes Latinas function well. I agree with being sympathetic to their cause, and helping them build their dreams, to help build rapport. You treat them like girlfriends, and they treat you like a boyfriend, the sex is just part of the relationship. Funny thing though, this girl is saying that she'll be there for you, as long as you say the truth, so don't let her find ISG LOL.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2648486]I read your posts and a lot of it makes sense, but how do you how do you determine, who is a working girl and who is not? If this is the quality of sex, then a prostitute can do it much better than an ordinary woman.[/QUOTE]Igor I do not recall anyone on this forum using seeking before I did in mid 2019. I would send a woman a message. We would go on WhatsApp and arrange a meeting. Early on, I cannot remember mentioning price with anyone. We would meet and some of the time just go right to bed. Other times, the women would meet and want a price. Sometimes I would tell them no. If the price was reasonable, and I was attracted to them then I would fuck them but in my mind they were a WG. The best sex seemed to always be with the women who never mentioned a price though.

I have been doing the sugar daddy thing for over 10 years now. The goal is to make women take some form of payment for sex but not feel they are hos. You want them to feel as if you are giving a gift versus paying a wage.

As far as how to tell they are hos, they have been on the website for a long time, ask for money up front, ask that you get them an uber or taxi, show their cedula without being asked when at the hotel, bring their own condoms, live in the worst parts of town, and you can say they go about having sex in a ritual or job like way with a limited amount of passion and run for the door when done.

On average, the working women perform better than seeking women but the top women from seeking beat the top working women because of the passion they bring. And the top seeking women have unsurpassed beauty. I have met three beauty queens off the site, two from Colombia and one from Venezuela.

And if you want a gal like I have, you have to let go of these bullshit preconceived notions like the women want the young Colombian studs. Some do, but there are others on seeking who do not. Hell, they will say they want guys age 30 to 60 in their profile. I am late 50's, overweight, and have a young 30 something woman my friends have called a 10. She has modeled for decades and insists on being fucked 3 X a day, and when I lasted visited her, ran to me in the airport with a balloon and cake in hand. And she is the third Colombian GF I have met from the site and my 4th from South America. I have never met and found a GF or what I consider a sugar baby off of seeking that mentioned a price before we met.

I am only seeing my current gal now, but I have had sugar babies from the USA, Mexico and Colombia. In fact over the holidays four of them reached out to me and asked how things were going with me and my woman, and I know why. They wanted me taking them out again. When I said things were fine, they lied and said they were happy for me. I know they had a ball when we were together and miss the life I showed them.

That said, it is not easy. You will get stood up. You will have your time wasted, let down a rabbit hole. You may get hurt and financially taken advantage of when a ho pretends to be a sugar baby but all she cares about is money. They will fool you with their addictions and mental illness. Many of the hottest women have boyfriends and will lie about being single. My current gal hid that she had a daughter from me. This all women are hos crap is to prevent guys from being hurt but it is completely illogical. There are women out there, a distinct minority for sure, who can be trusted, and those are the ones I want to invest my time and money on. You just have to kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your princess.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2647957]I started a new Seeking account and have been focusing here in the States. In less than a week, I already had my first meet and greet set up! Wrote about it in the Seeking Arrangements thread. I can only imagine what it would be like in Colombia or Brazil or some place like that. Lots of scammers and stuff, but plenty of "legit" too. I have women from all over Latin America and the rest of the world contacting me. I hide anybody not in my area. Can't deal with all of that![/QUOTE]Why would anyone want every ho in Latin America be able to contact / bother him A SD flies above the crowd and take what he wants. LOL I spend way too many hours a day talking with hot, available girls, no time for the barrio chicks. Unless I am in Bogota. LOL YMMV but at lease change the size of the net your using.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2647591]This is how I use SA in Bog:

I have premium membership. At $100 per month its overpriced, but as I am working in the US it doesn't matter that much. You could try free membership first and see how it goes. I don't know what the differences are.

I set up my own profile with a few pics. I put a very brief intro in Spanish. I say my income etc are modest; if you claim to be a high roller you will just attract expensive girls. Not necesarily better, just more expensive.

You can put the letters "SD' if you want. It stands for "Sugar daddy", and its code for p4 p. Even in Spanish, they know what it means. The girls sometimes put "SB" (sugar baby) or just "Sugar" in their profile also. Sugar is just a euphemism for money.

You can lie about your age (e. G. Make it younger) as there is no age verification. You should do this when you set up your profile as you can't do it after..[/QUOTE]Thank you for the info. Does anyone know other platforms / workflow?

Has never happened in over 5 yrs, but knock on wood.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2648931]Dangerous, asking them to come over. You can get alot of fatties with thin photos, smellies, and others you would disqualify if you first met them.[/QUOTE]

[URL]https://www.colture.co/bogota/tips/to-live/strata-system-in-colombia/[/URL]

Hi Elvis, thanks for your thoughtful insight, it make a lot of sense. I've possibly a dumb question. If you don't talk price beforehand in Colombia then what's to keep the girl from going after, "Oh, you owe me 2 million pesos, if you don't pay I'm going to the police. " This exact thing happened ten years ago in Cartagena and some guys got in lots of trouble.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2648944]Early on, I cannot remember mentioning price with anyone. We would meet and some of the time just go right to bed. Other times, the women would meet and want a price. Sometimes I would tell them no. If the price was reasonable, and I was attracted to them then I would fuck them but in my mind they were a WG. The best sex seemed to always be with the women who never mentioned a price though.[/QUOTE]

Catfishing in my understanding means someone uses a fake profile for the purpose of scamming.

I have never experienced this in Bogota, every girl I met seemed legit and in most cases looked at least as good as the photos.

I did find an apparent catfish in Mexico however. I started chatting with a hot Chinese gal in Guadalara . First of all, wtf is a hot Chinese gal doing on SA in GDL. Then guess what, she suddently started talking about investing in crypto currency. She wanted me to wire $500k to her fathers crypto outfit in Singapore so she can "Invest" it. It was a once in a lifetime, ground floor opportunity...lucky me?

Basic rule: if something seems to good to be true, or seems "Fishy" (LOL), it probably is.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2649799]I did find an apparent catfish in Mexico however. I started chatting with a hot Chinese gal in Guadalara . First of all, wtf is a hot Chinese gal doing on SA in GDL. Then guess what, she suddently started talking about investing in crypto currency. She wanted me to wire $500k to her fathers crypto outfit in Singapore so she can "Invest" it. It was a once in a lifetime, ground floor opportunity...lucky me?[/QUOTE]LOL. How did you get that far? I always get random whatsapp messages with pictures of Chinese chicks. They try to act like they are looking for someone else. I try to pry and pry, but I have never had one to finally come out and ask me to send money.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2648944]Igor I do not recall anyone on this forum using seeking before I did in mid 2019. I would send a woman a message. We would go on WhatsApp and arrange a meeting. Early on, I cannot remember mentioning price with anyone. We would meet and some of the time just go right to bed. Other times, the women would meet and want a price. Sometimes I would tell them no. If the price was reasonable, and I was attracted to them then I would fuck them but in my mind they were a WG. The best sex seemed to always be with the women who never mentioned a price though.

I have been doing the sugar daddy thing for over 10 years now. The goal is to make women take some form of payment for sex but not feel they are hos. You want them to feel as if you are giving a gift versus paying a wage.

As far as how to tell they are hos, they have been on the website for a long time, ask for money up front, ask that you get them an uber or taxi, show their cedula without being asked when at the hotel, bring their own condoms, live in the worst parts of town, and you can say they go about having sex in a ritual or job like way with a limited amount of passion and run for the door when done.

On average, the working women perform better than seeking women but the top women from seeking beat the top working women because of the passion they bring. And the top seeking women have unsurpassed beauty. I have met three beauty queens off the site, two from Colombia and one from Venezuela.

And if you want a gal like I have, you have to let go of these bullshit preconceived notions like the women want the young Colombian studs. Some do, but there are others on seeking who do not. Hell, they will say they want guys age 30 to 60 in their profile. I am late 50's, overweight, and have a young 30 something woman my friends have called a 10. She has modeled for decades and insists on being fucked 3 X a day, and when I lasted visited her, ran to me in the airport with a balloon and cake in hand. And she is the third Colombian GF I have met from the site and my 4th from South America. I have never met and found a GF or what I consider a sugar baby off of seeking that mentioned a price before we met.

I am only seeing my current gal now, but I have had sugar babies from the USA, Mexico and Colombia. In fact over the holidays four of them reached out to me and asked how things were going with me and my woman, and I know why. They wanted me taking them out again. When I said things were fine, they lied and said they were happy for me. I know they had a ball when we were together and miss the life I showed them.

That said, it is not easy. You will get stood up. You will have your time wasted, let down a rabbit hole. You may get hurt and financially taken advantage of when a ho pretends to be a sugar baby but all she cares about is money. They will fool you with their addictions and mental illness. Many of the hottest women have boyfriends and will lie about being single. My current gal hid that she had a daughter from me. This all women are hos crap is to prevent guys from being hurt but it is completely illogical. There are women out there, a distinct minority for sure, who can be trusted, and those are the ones I want to invest my time and money on. You just have to kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your princess.[/QUOTE]Why pay for a ambiguous dating website when you can have a straight service from milleroticos or mundosexoannuncios for free?

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2649823]Why pay for a ambiguous dating website when you can have a straight service from milleroticos or mundosexoannuncios for free?[/QUOTE]Because some people are looking for personable company and not just the straight-up fucking.

These catfish types are all over every dating site I know. I now ignore any Asian ads that mention crypto. Another oddity is the amount of Chinese women with Spanish text in their profile. Small sample size so far, but those also appear to be scammers.

Unless it is close to where I physically reside at the time, I will not travel more than 30 minutes to meet anyone I have not seen on a real time video call. Just too much BS out there.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2649799]Catfishing in my understanding means someone uses a fake profile for the purpose of scamming.

I have never experienced this in Bogota, every girl I met seemed legit and in most cases looked at least as good as the photos.

I did find an apparent catfish in Mexico however. I started chatting with a hot Chinese gal in Guadalara . First of all, wtf is a hot Chinese gal doing on SA in GDL. Then guess what, she suddently started talking about investing in crypto currency. She wanted me to wire $500k to her fathers crypto outfit in Singapore so she can "Invest" it. It was a once in a lifetime, ground floor opportunity...lucky me?

Basic rule: if something seems to good to be true, or seems "Fishy" (LOL), it probably is.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GoldMembr;2649403]Hi Elvis, thanks for your thoughtful insight, it make a lot of sense. I've possibly a dumb question. If you don't talk price beforehand in Colombia then what's to keep the girl from going after, "Oh, you owe me 2 million pesos, if you don't pay I'm going to the police. " This exact thing happened ten years ago in Cartagena and some guys got in lots of trouble.[/QUOTE]I know that is what was reported in the media, but that is not what happened.

[URL]https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/03/25/secret-service-prostitution-scandal-one-year-later/[/URL]

"Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'the have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price $800 Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

Suarez would later claim that, had she been so inclined, she could have rifled through his belongings and obtained information of presumably vital national security. She speculatednot unreasonablythat this could have provided fodder for blackmail or that it might have been of interest to terrorists or organized criminals wanting to penetrate President Obama's security.

At 6:30 the next morningThursday, April 12 the front-desk clerk called Huntington's room and said it was time for his guest to leave. Suarez asked for her payment. "I tell him, 'Baby, my cash money,' " she later told the New York Times.

What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarezwho later wrote a book about her night with the agentclaimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friendwho didn't ask to be paidhad spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the moneyabout a third of what she claimed she was owedSuarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitutionwhich the hotel is accustomed to managingbut with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

My take on this is you had a ho who saw that she was not supposed to be in this guy Huntington's room and thought she could shake him down. The notion the police were on her side is not likely IMO. The police certainly were not going to support her getting $800 for a night. That is like 2 months salary in Colombia. The fact that Bongino's gal did not ask to get paid is a strong indicator that this guy Hunington's comment about giving her gift were true and also he knew how to use the lingo that he was giving her a gift and not paying her wage. Outside of letting her in his room, he really did nothing wrong.

You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.

I was also at a Marriott hotel where I have elite type status. I had been in the hotel multiple times before with other women and had no incidents. I made sure to tip the front office people and the bellhop and called them by name so if there was an issue, it would be the nice gentleman who is a good customer with elite status versus a 2 bit ho. Most of the better hotels check the women in, check their cedula, and then make sure and call after to make sure there were no incidents.

Don't think just because you are in a foreign country everyone is going to take the ho's side. That is just not true.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2650425]
You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.
[/QUOTE]Frankly speaking, this is a new territory for me. I find it easier for me if things are transparent and transactional. That way, I can establish boundaries and establish certain levels of expectation, and I would know if things would work or not early on.

The Colombian girl who flew into Bogota and spent time with me there in my last trip, even though I have treated her as a friend and her feeling towards me is mutual, I established the compensation of her time upfront before I agree to have her get onto the plane to see me. She has to take time off from work after all. Of course, I also mentioned that I would cover her travel expenses. I would say that she trusted me since she would pay for the plane tickets and all these transportations up front, and never mention even once about the payment after we met. It's funny how at one time, she would even offer to pay for the Mileroticos girl that we had ordered together. In a way, I made her feel like I am paying for her professional services like a consultant jejeje.

Having said that, I am still trying to learn more about navigating around scenarios where things may not be as transparent. Perhaps I can use the direct approach that Pussycat has used about making clear the amount that I would pay upfront. However, for scenario where I simply want a date to dine in a restaurant or go clubbing, with no mention of any gift or transaction and maybe ended up having sex after that. The next morning could make for an awkward situation. If the girls turned out to be civilians with a regular job, will they be offended if I hand them the money? If so, how would I know if the amount given is insufficient in her view that it offends her? What if she demanded a certain amount in which I deem unreasonable? I am visualizing all the potential drama and the headache. The truth is that I am actually a noobie on this front.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2648931]Dangerous, asking them to come over. You can get alot of fatties with thin photos, smellies, and others you would disqualify if you first met them.[/QUOTE]Given that I tend to have limited time on my vacations I just don't have time for meet and greets.

All I can say is that out of about 30 gals I have met on SA in Guadalajara, Cabo and Bogota only of them of them didn't appeal to me. So we had coffee, chatted, then she left with a small tip.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2649808]LOL. How did you get that far? I always get random whatsapp messages with pictures of Chinese chicks. They try to act like they are looking for someone else. I try to pry and pry, but I have never had one to finally come out and ask me to send money.[/QUOTE]I just wanted to learn more about her scam, I never met her in person.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2650425]I know that is what was reported in the media, but that is not what happened.

[URL]https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/03/25/secret-service-prostitution-scandal-one-year-later/[/URL]

"Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'the have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price $800 Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

Suarez would later claim that, had she been so inclined, she could have rifled through his belongings and obtained information of presumably vital national security. She speculatednot unreasonablythat this could have provided fodder for blackmail or that it might have been of interest to terrorists or organized criminals wanting to penetrate President Obama's security.

At 6:30 the next morningThursday, April 12 the front-desk clerk called Huntington's room and said it was time for his guest to leave. Suarez asked for her payment. "I tell him, 'Baby, my cash money,' " she later told the New York Times.

What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarezwho later wrote a book about her night with the agentclaimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friendwho didn't ask to be paidhad spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the moneyabout a third of what she claimed she was owedSuarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitutionwhich the hotel is accustomed to managingbut with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

My take on this is you had a ho who saw that she was not supposed to be in this guy Huntington's room and thought she could shake him down. The notion the police were on her side is not likely IMO. The police certainly were not going to support her getting $800 for a night. That is like 2 months salary in Colombia. The fact that Bongino's gal did not ask to get paid is a strong indicator that this guy Hunington's comment about giving her gift were true and also he knew how to use the lingo that he was giving her a gift and not paying her wage. Outside of letting her in his room, he really did nothing wrong.

You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.

I was also at a Marriott hotel where I have elite type status. I had been in the hotel multiple times before with other women and had no incidents. I made sure to tip the front office people and the bellhop and called them by name so if there was an issue, it would be the nice gentleman who is a good customer with elite status versus a 2 bit ho. Most of the better hotels check the women in, check their cedula, and then make sure and call after to make sure there were no incidents.

Don't think just because you are in a foreign country everyone is going to take the ho's side. That is just not true.[/QUOTE]How these SS agents could get mixed up with such an ugly dog face is beyond me. They deserve to get jammed up for the sole reason of letting this pig into their room.

I was reading the saga about Dania Suarez and the SS agents below. It essentially seems to be a disagreement about payment and services rendered. And in my understanding most of these SS agents ruined their careers (And marriages if they had them) because of a row about a few hundred dollars. Thye also messed up r&r for thousands of their co workers because they are now all under a microscope. As I stated before, it is my view that it is better to agree prices and services up front, ideally in writing (I. E. WhatsApp) to prevent this. I know others dissagree, but doesn't this saga support my viewpoint? Agreeing in writing also protect against false allegations.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2650894]Agreeing in writing also protect against false allegations.[/QUOTE]If you think that then it is obvious that you have never been to Sosua.

Hello,

I want to visit Bobota soon. I read a lot of your reports, thanks for them!

I will probably try Seeking Arrangements. My question: how high is the percentage of skinny girls there, who can speak English? From your experience?

Thank you very much!

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2650517]It's funny how at one time, she would even offer to pay for the Mileroticos girl that we had ordered together. In a way, I made her feel like I am paying for her professional services like a consultant jejeje.[/QUOTE]You understand when she does that she is telling you she wants to date you and does not want money from you right? She wants money spent on her like a GF would. I took 2 girls, a GF and her cousin, to the free breakfast at the Marriott Courtyard, and they thought it was the finest dining they had ever been to. Your gal probably lives in a boring town in a room the size of your closet.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2650517]However, for scenario where I simply want a date to dine in a restaurant or go clubbing, with no mention of any gift or transaction and maybe ended up having sex after that. The next morning could make for an awkward situation. If the girls turned out to be civilians with a regular job, will they be offended if I hand them the money? If so, how would I know if the amount given is insufficient in her view that it offends her? What if she demanded a certain amount in which I deem unreasonable? I am visualizing all the potential drama and the headache. The truth is that I am actually a noobie on this front.[/QUOTE]You keep thinking like a john where you have to pay. It is only awkward because you have been a john so much in the past. Ask her out again and she what she says. If she says yes, I would not pay her anything and schedule a nice date with her.

If you want to give her something (and you should be able to tell if a chick is a WG after all I listed before), focus on her needs like a BF would "You said your grandmother had arthritis. How much does medicine for that cost here? I do not want her to be in such pain". Or you can slip money in her pocket and tell her you left her a gift.

If the gal is a ho type, she will let you know if you need to pay her. And if there is a conflict, pay what you think is right or stand up to her if you think it is excessive. You guys are so used to being pussy whipped in the USA.

Been living in Bogota for nearly 4 months now, with trips to Brazil and Mexico here and there. Must have met over 40 ISG members and shown the city to many, people from all ages and walks of life. Several of whom have become friends, and I have to admit I feel indebted towards the forum because of that. Though business was not my intention when first arriving, through serendipity, ended up at advanced negotiations with a Colombian conglomerate. My stay has been more than P2 P, over the months I've experienced a lot of what the city has to offer. Add to that the connections I've built with locals, expats, diplomats, being fluent in Spanish. And I almost feel at home, quite frankly.

A few points:

-Santa Fe. The good: There is always some talent, and it's really cheap. The bad: you get what you pay for. The vast majority of SF's population isn't actually working girls, but young Venezuelan refugee guys who are just roaming the streets and hanging out. Wouldn't consider it dangerous but I wouldn't be naive to call it safe. Fortunately, this board allows you to find other members to go with, which makes the whole experience much better.

SF just isn't for everyone. Rooms are filthy and depending on your level of cleanliness this might or might not be an issue. Then again, what can you expect at this price? If you're on a tight budget, SF is the way to go. If you're not, there are better options for a better experience. I enjoy my comfort and rather spend more for more. Aside from the initial novelty factor, the longer I've been in Bogota, the less I've went. That being said I suggest you visit it and see it. I still enjoy SF in 2 ways: to party every once in a while in one of the bars, more for the stripclub and party environment than for getting laid. And to check for new talent, test drive it and if it's good, meet them outside (sadly this isn't always possible as many girls in SF don't have an ID and a cellphone). To better my experience, I've made good contacts in SF from bar owners, managers, waiters, security and obviously girls. Suggest you do the same. This definitely enhances the experience when you're treated well and know your way around.

-SA. Been one of my favorite playgrounds for years, having met hundreds of girls, strictly in America. First time experiencing it here and overall I would say SA in Colombia is not bad but has less quantity and less quality than other cities in America that have yielded better results for me. I also found the percentage of hardcore pros to be substantially higher on SA in Colombia than in America.

-Other P2P options: Eroticas Bogota is good for escorts. For a different experience, there's an upscale massage place called Nanxing Spa. Wasn't impressed by Lido as talent was similar to SF. Hard to believe that in a country like Colombia, there isn't a place anywhere near the level of experience you can get in Hong-Kong / Cascadas in Tijuana!

-Non P2 P: as far as I'm concerned, this is where Bogota shines. Keeping it short because this is a P2 P forum. Tinder: Better than in America. Just like in most developing countries, girls are generally bored and want to meet. Bars / clubs: Girls are usually approachable and you will be surprised at how many girls speak English and are well-travelled. Steadily been going out to Zona T where I have my favorite spots. I was pleasantly surprised at how receptive and willing to meet most girls are.

Can't say there is one place to meet the best girls in town. Rather what I've done is entertain all options and pick the top 5% from each of them: SF and the best 3-4 Fiebre / Troya girls, SA and the non-P2 P options. That is how I've built a rotation with top talent.

Restaurants: food is actually much better than expected in Bogota! Though obviously not at the level of Brazil or Mexico. Suggest the following places: LEO for a romantic dinner, Osk Peru for a Miami vibe in a hot spot, Agave Azul for a speakeasy setup. Other places with good food and ambiance: La Cabrera, El Chato, Castanyoles.

Bogota doesn't do anything extremely well, but rather does many things quite well. It is not a city of extremes, like its cousin Sao Paulo. Colombia, Brazil and Mexico each have their pros and cons and there's no perfect place. I like all 3.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2651119]If you want to give her something (and you should be able to tell if a chick is a WG after all I listed before), focus on her needs like a BF would "You said your grandmother had arthritis. How much does medicine for that cost here? I do not want her to be in such pain". Or you can slip money in her pocket and tell her you left her a gift.[/QUOTE]Everybody is not into that act like I am not a hooker and find other reasons to give me money thing. My Venezuelan girl in Peru makes $8 per day. I gave her $25 to get back and forth because she was coming to see me after work everyday. She got angry and said it felt like I was paying her and gave the money back. You want to be careful not to insult someone like that.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2651867]Non P2 P: as far as I'm concerned, this is where Bogota shines. Keeping it short because this is a P2 P forum. Tinder: Better than in America. Just like in most developing countries, girls are generally bored and want to meet. Bars / clubs: Girls are usually approachable and you will be surprised at how many girls speak English and are well-travelled. Steadily been going out to Zona T where I have my favorite spots. I was pleasantly surprised at how receptive and willing to meet most girls are.[/QUOTE]I'll be in Bogota for only 5 days, would you recommend Tinder or SA for non-working girls? I would prefer to have things lined up before I arrive there, but Tinder seems like it would be better used once I'm there instead of ahead of time.

Thanks for all info.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2651867]Been living in Bogota for nearly 4 months now, with trips to Brazil and Mexico here and there. Must have met over 40 ISG members and shown the city to many, people from all ages and walks of life. Several of whom have become friends, and I have to admit I feel indebted towards the forum because of that. Though business was not my intention when first arriving, through serendipity, ended up at advanced negotiations with a Colombian conglomerate. My stay has been more than P2 P, over the months I've experienced a lot of what the city has to offer. Add to that the connections I've built with locals, expats, diplomats, being fluent in Spanish. And I almost feel at home, quite frankly.

A few points:

-Santa Fe. The good: There is always some talent, and it's really cheap. The bad: you get what you pay for. The vast majority of SF's population isn't actually working girls, but young Venezuelan refugee guys who are just roaming the streets and hanging out. Wouldn't consider it dangerous but I wouldn't be naive to call it safe. Fortunately, this board allows you to find other members to go with, which makes the whole experience much better..[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for detailed insights. I have 2 questions for you brother. Appreciate a lot if I can get your experience and expertise to my confusion.

Which place amongst Brazil, Colombia and Mexico. Would you prefer easy for young light skin hotties? (BTW I am looking for BBFS option so consider that into your answer).

And once you provide the Country. Which city would you recommend?

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[QUOTE=Kib123;2643275]My friend, you need to travel some more, and experience more women. Your assessment could not be further from the reality.[/QUOTE]Nah he's one of those white dudes that went to Africa or South East Asia first. If you go to any Africa subforum especially the east African forums and guys will rave about Madegascar.

There are people who literally stave to death there. I've been told by long term visitors that there's no tourist infrastructure to speak of, 10 will buy you almost any girl of your choice all night in places like Nosy Be. The problem is that it's in Nosy be. You add that to places where the only white man they see is an aged sex tourist or some aid worker or missionary and a lot of women see white guy and life savior as the same.

I love Africa Kenya especially but I prefer a middle ground between a super entitled western feminazi and a illiterate desperate village girl who won't let you out of her sight for a second to keep you away from another girl.

What some of the white hunters in Africa don't tell you is because they are convinced that a 18 year super model look-a- like loves their flabby 80 year old bodies they fall in love with them too and start building houses and stuff for them in these little villages. I'm not looking for some desperate street urchin to validate me, I just want the pussy and maybe a nice cup of coffee. I want to to treat me like she is my girlfriend in bed, I don't care about what she thinks of me in the morning.

Hope this Helps.

Trip.

Staying at Bogota from end of December as already get bored to move all over Colombia in less than 7 weeks visited 14 different cities. Going to Santa Fe almost every day and not so much girls on the streets as was before on November. Last Saturday was really good was a lot of girls and I start to thinking Santa Fe is going back to normal but next few days again becomes same quiet. Of course if you coming here for 3-7 days still plenty of girls to choose, but if you stay longer and don't like repeat same girls and want new everyday as me after sometime its become more tricky to find new girls you like. Some days I could find any I like. As for this moment the best times for street girls probably between 18.30 pm till 21.30 pm. I went many times on the daytime also but its quiet. The prices not change for street girls I always paying 40 k for 20 minutes with room in total. If you ask the girls how much they want for 20 min? Some said 40 k some 50 k but 90 percent agree 40 k if you negotiate. If you go out of main area you still can get some street girls for 30 k but another side most of the times not worth to go the girls is lower quality and streets are more dodgy. 3 or 4 days ago the drug dealer was murdered at Santa Fe hotel room so last few days was crazy amount of police on the streets I never seen so many before. Anyway Santa Fe still fun if you use the common sense.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2651990]I'll be in Bogota for only 5 days, would you recommend Tinder or SA for non-working girls? I would prefer to have things lined up before I arrive there, but Tinder seems like it would be better used once I'm there instead of ahead of time..[/QUOTE]My usual trips to Bogota are about 5-7 days only. That's all the time I can spend for now. Personally, I have learned with such a short time frame, don't spend / waste time with Tinder / SA for a variety of reasons most of which have been mentioned here many times. You will spend / waste a lot of valuable time. Tinder, girls can be flaky and be hours late or just no shows. SA, my experience, slightly improved except some girls are not necessarily a guaranteed bang. Other SA issues are time wasted wining and dining or you might find a girl who won't give you what you really want (eg she won't BBBJ but expects to favored / compensated / donated / helped with like 3-500 k pesos). SA in Colombia is sort of infested with pretty much same prepagos working girls.

I've used both and didn't particularly find anyone more interesting than any girls on prepagos site. I, personally, don't use the term 'non-working girls' because if she's banging a stranger and 'expects' to be 'rewarded' for her time she's working. Whether she mentions it or not, it's expected that she will be rewarded. She may not be a pro-hoe but she a hoe hoe. On a personal ex: Met an attorney on SA last time, she wanted a lifestyle well out of her league. She can mostly get it with foreigners so that's why she's on SA. She was very open about her experiences and has had several sugar daddies who flew her to as far as Dubai. She's had something like 10/12 SD's over the last few years.

My. 02 cents.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2652766]My usual trips to Bogota are about 5-7 days only. That's all the time I can spend for now. Personally, I have learned with such a short time frame, don't spend / waste time with Tinder / SA for a variety of reasons most of which have been mentioned here many times. You will spend / waste a lot of valuable time. Tinder, girls can be flaky and be hours late or just no shows. SA, my experience, slightly improved except some girls are not necessarily a guaranteed bang. Other SA issues are time wasted wining and dining or you might find a girl who won't give you what you really want (eg she won't BBBJ but expects to favored / compensated / donated / helped with like 3-500 k pesos). SA in Colombia is sort of infested with pretty much same prepagos working girls.

I've used both and didn't particularly find anyone more interesting than any girls on prepagos site. I, personally, don't use the term 'non-working girls' because if she's banging a stranger and 'expects' to be 'rewarded' for her time she's working. Whether she mentions it or not, it's expected that she will be rewarded. She may not be a pro-hoe but she a hoe hoe. On a personal ex: Met an attorney on SA last time, she wanted a lifestyle well out of her league. She can mostly get it with foreigners so that's why she's on SA. She was very open about her experiences and has had several sugar daddies who flew her to as far as Dubai. She's had something like 10/12 SD's over the last few years..[/QUOTE]Much appreciated. I should have mentioned I do plan on using prepagos for the majority. I was thinking maybe a few candidates from SA and I would leave if things don't shape up after an hour at most, but is it worth $100 membership for that? Maybe not.

You mentioned you've been to Bogota multiple times. Have you gone to the other cities in Colombia or do you just prefer Bogota?

I am planning a trip to Colombia and am confused should I pick Cali or Bogota. I am more interested in fulfilling my fattish for pregnant women. Can some let me know which place would be best for me.

[QUOTE=AjaiGoa;2652842]I am planning a trip to Colombia and am confused should I pick Cali or Bogota. I am more interested in fulfilling my fattish for pregnant women. Can some let me know which place would be best for me.[/QUOTE]I recently saw 1 or 2 pregnant in Santa Fe. There often are but I do not really make notes on them.

Here is a report on the escort service provider I used on my trip to Bogota in November.

I frequently used the escort provider [URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL]. I have to say that I was impressed with the booking experience. The professionalism and response times were great. I communicated with them through whatsapp. They spoke english. I think prices were very fair and advertised ahead of time. There was not a single girl that quoted me a different price when she arrived. It also listed prices for extras such as BBBJ and CIM, and every girl I saw honored extras as priced. Sometimes they have a girl or two not on the website that is available when you ask them for a list of available girls for the day. They had no problem sending me pictures of those girls. The girls they picture on the website are the ones that show up. Of course the pictures are touched up a little but not to the point I felt like I was deceived. I highly recommend this agency.

Now for my first review.

Juliana.

I decided to go with Juliana as her price was on the low side. Since this was the first time using this agency, I decided to try the cheapest option first in case the experience was bad. She was young, I believed she was actually 20 as it says on her profile. Arrived on time. Looks just like her pics on the website. No issues with reception at my hotel. She was great in bed and gave an enthusiastic BBBJ. Provided DFK. Did not rush, took her time and did not leave after I busted. She went to shower and came back to lay with me in the bed. Body was great, no baby damage. Did not mention anything about payment. I paid her when she was ready to leave. Overall a very good experience.

[QUOTE=Sock111;2653048]Here is a report on the escort service provider I used on my trip to Bogota in November.

I frequently used the escort provider [URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL]. I have to say that I was impressed with the booking experience. The professionalism and response times were great. I communicated with them through whatsapp. They spoke english. I think prices were very fair and advertised ahead of time. There was not a single girl that quoted me a different price when she arrived. It also listed prices for extras such as BBBJ and CIM, and every girl I saw honored extras as priced. Sometimes they have a girl or two not on the website that is available when you ask them for a list of available girls for the day. They had no problem sending me pictures of those girls. The girls they picture on the website are the ones that show up. Of course the pictures are touched up a little but not to the point I felt like I was deceived. I highly recommend this agency.

Now for my first review.

Juliana.

I decided to go with Juliana as her price was on the low side. Since this was the first time using this agency, I decided to try the cheapest option first in case the experience was bad. She was young, I believed she was actually 20 as it says on her profile. Arrived on time. Looks just like her pics on the website. No issues with reception at my hotel. She was great in bed and gave an enthusiastic BBBJ. Provided DFK. Did not rush, took her time and did not leave after I busted. She went to shower and came back to lay with me in the bed. Body was great, no baby damage. Did not mention anything about payment. I paid her when she was ready to leave. Overall a very good experience.[/QUOTE]The girls they picture on the website are the ones that show up? Seriously.

They are wearing fucking masks bro.

Don't tell me they don't send diff chicas than the fotos.

Did they pay you for this post?

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2652807]Much appreciated. I should have mentioned I do plan on using prepagos for the majority. I was thinking maybe a few candidates from SA and I would leave if things don't shape up after an hour at most, but is it worth $100 membership for that? Maybe not.

You mentioned you've been to Bogota multiple times. Have you gone to the other cities in Colombia or do you just prefer Bogota?[/QUOTE]Yes, I have been to Cali (2 x. Once pre & post-pandemic, Cartagena. Pre-pandemic, Medellin (only and last in 2014). Since the re-open I really prefer to hang out in Bogota mainly out of convenience. On a 5-7 day trip, making local connections to other cities adds another 2.5 hrs each way and that's only if all goes well.

Do I think SA is worth it? Personally and strictly speaking about SA as it relates to Colombia, I would say no. There is just a lot and I mean too many women and many of them are easy to talk to or connect with. The same women by and large on SA are on Tinder / Bumble and Latin / Colombian-cupid for a fraction of the cost. For my time, its prepagos, casas Tinder / bumble to see what's up and even then I still schedule a prepagos for about 30 mns after in case a tinder / bumble flakes out.

[QUOTE=AjaiGoa;2652842]I am planning a trip to Colombia and am confused should I pick Cali or Bogota. I am more interested in fulfilling my fattish for pregnant women. Can some let me know which place would be best for me.[/QUOTE]Never been to Cali but I can't imagine Cali is better. Plus Bog has a full blown RLD called Santa Fe.

As for preggies hmm dont know....the only one I saw on the streets anywhere was in Zona Norte in TJ..I didnt partake, but thinking back it might have been fun

I land in Bog later tonight. One very pretty girl from SA messaged and she wants to do lunch. I have 2 more that most likely will want to fuc. Scheduled one day apart. My friends in USA say, so "she wants a free lunch on a horny old man. " So, I got rid of these usa idiots, brainwashed people. My concern is yes she will enjoy lunch and since she is very good looking (however small breasts) I might succumb to take her to the hotel. No $ discussed. I might insult her if I offer anything. The other 2 will be all evening dates and they already know the program.

Since I am an "old man" LOL I am concerned about my recovery rate, chafing of the penis and basically too many girls available. Some booked in advance. I will immediately get a shot of testosterone upon landing. Also have some cream for the penis which I use in between sessions. Anything else I need?

Next is the hot as fuc actress / model / 2. That has told me blatantly, "I I have never had an orgasm" this she told me over a week ago. So in preparation (we will spend nighters. I purchased multiple sex toys, various lubricants, vibrators etc. She thinks she is in love with me. Wtf? So I will go with the flow and see what happens.

There are too many women and not enough time to meet. And once I land there will be even more. I downsized from over 200 (with their numbers, texting etc.) to only around 50 but in different cities all over Colombia. Most are 10's. They are all nice people. My penis is apparently running the show. So I increased the time in Colombia to 2 months. I figure 10 of these girls will want long term relationships. If I fall in love, it won't be the first time. I hope to meet them and return to close a deal with someone, maybe more than one. Help Elvis! . I feel kinda bad about that. But you only live once.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2653156]Did they pay you for this post?[/QUOTE]Come on man. Someone comes out of nowhere and mentions one particular site that nobody here ever talks about, and only talks about one chick from said site. They said nothing else about the city or any other mongering or attempts to monger.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2653526]Come on man. Someone comes out of nowhere and mentions one particular site that nobody here ever talks about, and only talks about one chick from said site. They said nothing else about the city or any other mongering or attempts to monger.[/QUOTE]I posted a review on the escort service I used and I guess my credibility is lacking. I was going to review some more girls on the site, but I guess I'll skip that and move on to my Sante Fe experience.

So, I've done my research and read the forums before heading to Bogota. I've been to Cartagena before, but this would be my first time in Bogota besides transiting through the airport. I knew that Santa Fe was probably going to be dangerous so I opted to stay far from Santa Fe for the first few days until I got my bearings. My hotel was north of the Zona T and the area I was in was very nice and safe. One thing I was surprised about is the quality of the food in the Zona Rosa and how cheap it is. There are many great restaurants and costs about a third of what you would pay for an equivalent dish in the US. I booked a tour with Woodman and I am glad I did. Even within the Santa Fe area there are areas that are a few blocks apart that are vastly different in quality of girls and safety. During the tour we ran into two other ISG members he gave a tour too prior. You know who you are my canadian and german friend. I ended up hanging out with those two many times during my trip and we had a blast.

Here are some of my takeaways. The immediate area around the clubs are the safest. As a first time visitor I would stick around the block with the clubs where Fiebre and Paisas are. If you plan to visit Santa Fe, plan your trip so you are there Thursday through Saturday. The rest of the days are so dead. Probably 3 of the 5 nights I was there, the police bus was parked in the area. It was the size of a full greyhound bus. I found it very amusing and I think it provided a level of safety. Even if it did look like they were just there to collect payments.

Next report I'll provide reports on the girls I tried in Santa Fe.

Today I took a tour around the area directly south of the main part of Santa Fe. Starting at calle 19 just past Avenida Caracas, I hung a right on cra 15 bis. And proceeded north hanging a right on calle 20 and a left of cra 14 bis. Many Venezolana chicas, all quoted me 30 k COP (la pieza included). I found a few diamonds in the rough, one agreed to BBFS for 70 k COP I was able to finish with her right as the knock on the door came. The area looks a little more rough than the main part of Santa Fe but for me that's half the thrill.

Glad to be back agn.

Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Sock111;2653550]I posted a review on the escort service I used and I guess my credibility is lacking. I was going to review some more girls on the site, but I guess I'll skip that and move on to my Sante Fe experience.

So, I've done my research and read the forums before heading to Bogota. I've been to Cartagena before, but this would be my first time in Bogota besides transiting through the airport. I knew that Santa Fe was probably going to be dangerous so I opted to stay far from Santa Fe for the first few days until I got my bearings. My hotel was north of the Zona T and the area I was in was very nice and safe. One thing I was surprised about is the quality of the food in the Zona Rosa and how cheap it is. There are many great restaurants and costs about a third of what you would pay for an equivalent dish in the US. I booked a tour with Woodman and I am glad I did. Even within the Santa Fe area there are areas that are a few blocks apart that are vastly different in quality of girls and safety. During the tour we ran into two other ISG members he gave a tour too prior. You know who you are my canadian and german friend. I ended up hanging out with those two many times during my trip and we had a blast.

Here are some of my takeaways. The immediate area around the clubs are the safest. As a first time visitor I would stick around the block with the clubs where Fiebre and Paisas are. If you plan to visit Santa Fe, plan your trip so you are there Thursday through Saturday. The rest of the days are so dead. Probably 3 of the 5 nights I was there, the police bus was parked in the area. It was the size of a full greyhound bus. I found it very amusing and I think it provided a level of safety. Even if it did look like they were just there to collect payments.

Next report I'll provide reports on the girls I tried in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]I can vouch for your report and your credibility. That's because I was there with you, jejeje. Colombia will be my new playground at least until Germany and SEA open up again.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2653594]I can vouch for your report and your credibility. That's because I was there with you, jejeje. [/QUOTE]I stand corrected and apologize to Sock in that case.

Sock.

My wingman and I did hook up with the Canadian and German pair in Santa Fe mid November. I actually met the Canadian bro in Tijuana a few years back. We were drinking in Club Fiebre, watching the strip show with a girl in full black nun cloak, huge head piece, rolling around on the stage, masturbating with a huge dildo. Suddenly there were lots of commotion out in the street. A force of about 80 policias raided clubs for vaccine violation. I was the only one triple vaxxed, the other 3 had nada. We slipped out of the club quickly and disappeared before policias got to Fiebre.

I came back to Fiebre a few nights later. The girls were mostly chubby and heavy. The only slim girl turned out to be a trannie with horrible broken deep voice. The same thing happened in Cartagena. The only tall, slim girl was a cold trannie with lots of tattoos and a deep, booming voice. Damn.

It's the third week in December now. A few bros are still in Santa Fe after 6 weeks. There must be something special about Santa Fe.

You know who you are my Canadian and German friend. I ended up hanging out with those two many times during my trip and we had a blast.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2653474] They are all nice people. My penis is apparently running the show. So I increased the time in Colombia to 2 months. I figure 10 of these girls will want long term relationships. If I fall in love, it won't be the first time. I hope to meet them and return to close a deal with someone, maybe more than one. Help Elvis! . I feel kinda bad about that. But you only live once.[/QUOTE]I get it Don. I was sure that I would always have one in reserve because all women go crazy, but it has been over a year now for me, and things are still great. I hope you find one you can trust that blows all the others away. I have never had a relationship get better in the second year like this one has.

Santa Fe is an interesting place. It definitely has a level of raunchiness you can appreciate. I made the rounds to the different blocks to see what was on offer. I have to say that I was not impressed. Sure there were definitely some good looking girls, but in terms of quantity and quality it was definitely not what I expected from a city with so many people. That is not to say that you can't find anything. It just pales in comparison to say Soi 6 in Pattaya. Maybe it was the time of year I visited. There were a few I considered, especially this cute girl we nicknamed Zendeya. She definitely resembled her and she was recommended as a good provider. She was always hanging at the corner near Texas club. I ultimately decided not to as I don't really enjoy the street girl, wham bam thank you mam experience. Had I stayed longer, I would have tried to get her contact info and have her visit me at my hotel.

I did sample a girl at Fiebre. Now while I was there, Fiebre on average just had the most girls out of all the clubs. Friday and Saturday night, you could not find a seat without buying a bottle. The other clubs were nowhere near as busy. I came across a young valenzuelan girl, she was cute had a great attitude and all natural. I got a lap dance, and I have to say the lap dances at Fiebre are hands down better than anywhere else I've been to. All the girls I've got a lap dance from there, have a whole choreographed routine. They get fully nude, and go through various motions including, putting their legs on your shoulders, using a table or chair for leverage, motorboating and putting their panties on you. All this for 40 k-50 k pesos is a great deal. Now one of the things I read is that its difficult to get BBBJ in Santa Fe. After going upstairs with the girl, I can understand why. The room was shit. After we did the deed there was no shower, the sink barely dribbled water. I was told this was the standard quality of rooms in Santa Fe. So I can see why a girl wouldn't want to give BBBJ if she has no way to rinse her mouth or wash up afterwards. I just focused on quickly busting a nut so I can get out of the room. It was a fun experience and I'm glad I tried it once, but not one that I am keen on repeating. I got her number and arranged to have her come to my hotel on one of her days not working the club. That experience was much better and a story for another report.

[QUOTE=Sock111;2654028] I got a lap dance, and I have to say the lap dances at Fiebre are hands down better than anywhere else I've been to. All the girls I've got a lap dance from there, have a whole choreographed routine. They get fully nude, and go through various motions including, putting their legs on your shoulders, using a table or chair for leverage, motorboating and putting their panties on you. [/QUOTE]My girl really enjoyed the lap dance with that chica dancer that you recommended. That chica had even managed to slide in and out ice cube from her pussy several times while spreading her legs in front of my girl's face. That takes a lot of agility. I can tell that my girl was very tempted to lick the chica's pussy right there and then. It really turned her on.

Could have booked that chica out that night since my girl liked her. Too bad that chica had disappeared when we were ready to do so. Anyway, I doubt she would be as wild in a threesome once we get her to our hotel room. Then again, life can be full of surprises.

I have been in Santa Fe for a week. There are no good talents at all. Only about 30 percent of the people wear masks and many people are with runny nose and coughing. I imagine some of them have Covid. Bogota is the 6th worst city for covid infection per capita, but few people take tests in Colombia and there could be more infections. They walk and stand too close to you. Probably Latino culture, they don't like distance from other people.

[QUOTE=Sock111;2654028]Santa Fe is an interesting place. It definitely has a level of raunchiness you can appreciate. I made the rounds to the different blocks to see what was on offer. I have to say that I was not impressed. Sure there were definitely some good looking girls, but in terms of quantity and quality it was definitely not what I expected from a city with so many people.
[/QUOTE]Santa Fe is Santa Fe, LOL.

It's the hunt, the talk, the deal and the deed.

There are those that will like it, and be good at it, and those that won't.

I was there this past Friday.

From about 4 pm to 9 pm or so. I had a blast.

Met 3 chicas on the street, all Venezolanas, all cute and cool.

One was a stand out, the last one I was with actually, and though I don't normally ask or look for this, she wanted to get f**d in the booty.

There were more cuties out there as well. I just ran out of bullets. Lol.

Fun times!

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2654747]I have been in Santa Fe for a week. There are no good talents at all. Only about 30 percent of the people wear masks and many people are with runny nose and coughing. I imagine some of them have Covid.[/QUOTE]Maybe some like you said, but there has been a flu bug going around Bogota

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2654747]I have been in Santa Fe for a week. There are no good talents at all. Only about 30 percent of the people wear masks and many people are with runny nose and coughing. I imagine some of them have Covid. Bogota is the 6th worst city for covid infection per capita, but few people take tests in Colombia and there could be more infections. They walk and stand too close to you. Probably Latino culture, they don't like distance from other people.[/QUOTE]Santa Fe has been a bit slow- It's hit and miss-- Fortunately I have not been disappointed with the club girls I know. Street scene Was not bad Saturday.

A lot of people do not wear masks people here are not neurotic like in the US. I had caught covid again about 10 days ago. Guess it was the omicron? Basically like the a couple of the times before I have been sick it was a bad flu for 24 hours. Like the Majority of the Billions who have had it.

I think the viagra I use helps with my recovery thinning the blood and breaking down microclots I have read.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2654941]Santa Fe has been a bit slow- It's hit and miss-- Fortunately I have not been disappointed with the club girls I know. Street scene Was not bad Saturday.

A lot of people do not wear masks people here are not neurotic like in the US. I had caught covid again about 10 days ago. Guess it was the omicron? Basically like the a couple of the times before I have been sick it was a bad flu for 24 hours. Like the Majority of the Billions who have had it.

I think the viagra I use helps with my recovery thinning the blood and breaking down microclots I have read.[/QUOTE]Colombia, in spite of the moderate population size, ranks 13th in the world for the covid death.

Sure, Viagra, snake oil, Pepto Bismol, etc, would help "your" covid infection.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2655075]Colombia, in spite of the moderate population size, ranks 13th in the world for the covid death.

Sure, Viagra, snake oil, Pepto Bismol, etc, would help "your" covid infection.[/QUOTE]Had covid several times, still here like 99.9% of the population who have had it.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2654941]Santa Fe has been a bit slow- It's hit and miss-- Fortunately I have not been disappointed with the club girls I know. Street scene Was not bad Saturday.

A lot of people do not wear masks people here are not neurotic like in the US. I had caught covid again about 10 days ago. Guess it was the omicron? Basically like the a couple of the times before I have been sick it was a bad flu for 24 hours. Like the Majority of the Billions who have had it.

I think the viagra I use helps with my recovery thinning the blood and breaking down microclots I have read.[/QUOTE]Is this your 3rd infection? You are infected and going to clubs and streets and talking to the girls and employees. Probably other locals are doing the same.

[QUOTE=SilverTurtle;2655138]Is this your 3rd infection? You are infected and going to clubs and streets and talking to the girls and employees. Probably other locals are doing the same.[/QUOTE]It is my 4th or 5th+-- It is a Cold or at Worst a Flu to me (And Most People in The World) and when I have been sick I stay home-- Calm Down-- don't be so Neurotic.

[QUOTE=Sock111;2654028]Santa Fe is an interesting place. It definitely has a level of raunchiness you can appreciate. I made the rounds to the different blocks to see what was on offer. I have to say that I was not impressed. Sure there were definitely some good looking girls, but in terms of quantity and quality it was definitely not what I expected from a city with so many people. That is not to say that you can't find anything. It just pales in comparison to say Soi 6 in Pattaya. Maybe it was the time of year I visited. There were a few I considered, especially this cute girl we nicknamed Zendeya. She definitely resembled her and she was recommended as a good provider. She was always hanging at the corner near Texas club. I ultimately decided not to as I don't really enjoy the street girl, wham bam thank you mam experience. Had I stayed longer, I would have tried to get her contact info and have her visit me at my hotel.

I did sample a girl at Fiebre. Now while I was there, Fiebre on average just had the most girls out of all the clubs. Friday and Saturday night, you could not find a seat without buying a bottle. The other clubs were nowhere near as busy. I came across a young valenzuelan girl, she was cute had a great attitude and all natural. I got a lap dance, and I have to say the lap dances at Fiebre are hands down better than anywhere else I've been to. All the girls I've got a lap dance from there, have a whole choreographed routine. They get fully nude, and go through various motions including, putting their legs on your shoulders, using a table or chair for leverage, motorboating and putting their panties on you. All this for 40 k-50 k pesos is a great deal. Now one of the things I read is that its difficult to get BBBJ in Santa Fe. After going upstairs with the girl, I can understand why. The room was shit. After we did the deed there was no shower, the sink barely dribbled water. I was told this was the standard quality of rooms in Santa Fe. So I can see why a girl wouldn't want to give BBBJ if she has no way to rinse her mouth or wash up afterwards. I just focused on quickly busting a nut so I can get out of the room. It was a fun experience and I'm glad I tried it once, but not one that I am keen on repeating. I got her number and arranged to have her come to my hotel on one of her days not working the club. That experience was much better and a story for another report.[/QUOTE]My friend, no one knows what is to get shower in SF. In my experience, and I have a lot, they give to girls a roll of townlet paper to wipe her pussy, I flucked a lot of pole dancers there and there are sweat and I pushed them to get a shower but the water is cold and they wash themselves just front body. And it seems OK for SF. And about BBBF read this. Good lack to get one, look for the link / table /.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_infection[/URL]

[QUOTE=Igor54;2655560]My friend, no one knows what is to get shower in SF. In my experience, and I have a lot, they give to girls a roll of townlet paper to wipe her pussy, I flucked a lot of pole dancers there and there are sweat and I pushed them to get a shower but the water is cold and they wash themselves just front body. And it seems OK for SF. And about BBBF read this. Good lack to get one, look for the link / table /.

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexually_transmitted_infection[/URL][/QUOTE]Due to the cold weather, girls in Bogota don't take shower before or after the sessions. That's why I don't pick girls on the street or in clubs. My regulars come to my hotel in the morning and I tell them to take (hot) shower before the session.

My forum search didn't turn anything up.

What's up guys? I'll be in town early February and was looking for a place to stay. Was looking at the Taquendama but noticed airbnbs are super cheap in Bogota. Does anyone have any intel on the Equilibrium apartments? They're nice and have about 30 different apartments listed ranging from $30-$50 per night. Was hoping to figure out how chica friendly they were.

[QUOTE=BlueTouch;2655567]Due to the cold weather, girls in Bogota don't take shower before or after the sessions. That's why I don't pick girls on the street or in clubs. My regulars come to my hotel in the morning and I tell them to take (hot) shower before the session.[/QUOTE]Are you serious about this? But, you are right. Have gone to two casas and met one chic at her place and that was the case. The casa chics didn't shower between customers, they just wiped themselves for the most part. The chic whose place I went to was super funky. She was real pretty, beautiful and fit as fawk. But her be. O. Was funku. Ruined the whole experience. BTW, your post should go in the FAQ's for Bogota.

[QUOTE=DirtyDJ;2655716]My forum search didn't turn anything up.

What's up guys? I'll be in town early February and was looking for a place to stay. Was looking at the Taquendama but noticed airbnbs are super cheap in Bogota. Does anyone have any intel on the Equilibrium apartments? They're nice and have about 30 different apartments listed ranging from $30-$50 per night. Was hoping to figure out how chica friendly they were.[/QUOTE]Just email them. I tell them I'm a business trip and need to have coworkers or clients stop by the apartment.

From what I've researched in Chapinero (one of the richest districts), AirBnBs and local hotels are the most lenient with their policy. If they do charge, it's a small amount (like less than $10 for an overnight guest). Stay away from the international chains unless you want to pay high fees ($40-$100 for an overnight guest).

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2656280]Just email them. I tell them I'm a business trip and need to have coworkers or clients stop by the apartment.

From what I've researched in Chapinero (one of the richest districts), AirBnBs and local hotels are the most lenient with their policy. If they do charge, it's a small amount (like less than $10 for an overnight guest). Stay away from the international chains unless you want to pay high fees ($40-$100 for an overnight guest).[/QUOTE]Good to know and thanks for sharing. Planning to use AirBNB the next time I am there during a longer stay and now I know which area to search for.

Taquendama do charge me an equivalent of USD 13 for a visitor at night, but only during nighttime. I am not sure when is their cutoff time is though since I don't have that issue during the daytime.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2656261]Are you serious about this? But, you are right. Have gone to two casas and met one chic at her place and that was the case. The casa chics didn't shower between customers, they just wiped themselves for the most part. The chic whose place I went to was super funky. She was real pretty, beautiful and fit as fawk. But her be. O. Was funku. Ruined the whole experience. BTW, your post should go in the FAQ's for Bogota.[/QUOTE]In my experience, even you stay in Airbnb you have an electric shower and apartments do not have any heating. In cold months to get shower you have to push yourself because it's cold. What do you want from girls? They have 10 clients a day. To get 10 showers a day in Bogota= you should be a polar bear to handle that.

Like many others here, felt like shit all week. All the girls are sniffling or coughing. Idk what it is, doesn't stop me.

SF has A lot of talent around happy hour during the weekdays, but I see how pokeris says it can get old if you're here 1 month +. Weather not bad either.

I've mentioned before but don't bother with pepas or perico on the street, all fake shit here. Weed is pretty good.

Been going strictly vennies. Making sure theyre not too attractive in the face and morena. They are more eager to please and less chosen by locals ime.

The pale rolas are mechanical and charge 40-50 k plus room. The vennies I've been going with 1-2x a day charge 30 k +pieza or 30 included.

Yes 30 k all included. Fucking unreal. theyre alot more personable than the Colombians too, and rarely ask for propina.

Got my second midget today, carmen, stands by the calle 19 side right at the entrance in a pink jumper, probably 4 ft 2 130. Very thic. Almost busted when she got on top LOL.
the lube is a game changer, bring those fusiomax packs everywhere you go.

My first one was the infamous anorexic midget at botero in mde, this girls pussy much better. like really good. 30 k inc room. and a sweetheart.

Vennies are where it's at.

Saw a group of 5-6 gringo dudes taking up the sidewalk talking loud english, one of them a chubby asian guy, that anyone on here lmao?!

Sorry I didn't say Hi, I have a no English rule when out and about. Douchey I know, but has worked so far.. i blend in.

Best.

Jw.

I was in Bogota January 14th-16th and figured ID post (even though I'm a little late).

I'm new to the scene here so I used some of the escort agencies.

Stay:

Hotel 4 points Sheraton.

Friday night:

Encounters VIP. Nicol.

[URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/nicol[/URL]

Looked just like the photos online.

CBJ+FS 250000 pesos for 1 hour.

Saturday morning:

La Celestina. Maria.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/escorts-prepagos-modelos-Bogota-maria-paula-canon[/URL]

Photos were accurate.

BBBJ+FS 250000 pesos for 1 hour.

Went to Monserrate in the afternoon. The altitude really took it out of me. Its a beautiful view of the city but 11000' is not for the faint of heart.

Sunday morning:

La Celestina. Katy.

[URL]https://lacelestina.co/escorts-prepagos-modelos-Bogota-katy-freyle[/URL]

Photos were not even close to accurate.

Service was good, not who I expected though.

BBBJ+FS+CIM 270000 pesos for 1 hour.

[QUOTE=Zirblarf;2656402]
Stay:

Hotel 4 points Sheraton.

[/QUOTE]How was their guest policy like? Any issue or extra $$ bringing girls there?

[QUOTE=Zirblarf;2656402]
Encounters VIP. Nicol.

[URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/nicol[/URL]

Looked just like the photos online.

CBJ+FS 250000 pesos for 1 hour.

[/QUOTE]How was her service? GFE? Did she ask for payment before or after the service was rendered?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2656785]How was their guest policy like? Any issue or extra $$ bringing girls there?

How was her service? GFE? Did she ask for payment before or after the service was rendered?[/QUOTE]Nicol was the best of all 3. GFE was great. She asked for payment after service.

Hotel guest policy was super lenient. You can have the girl check in at the front desk and they will send her up directly to your room. No extra guest fee.

I went there the other day, to number #14. The girl was Mia, and they said the prices were 100 K for half hour with CBJ, 150 K half hour with FS, 200 K for same for an hour. I read the forum back about 30 pages and I see someone saying that those are gringo prices for Mezzanine, and another saying that it depends on which door. I'm curious what people are paying there. Next time I'll try to negotiate and see what happens. The girl was good looking, but those prices seemed too high. (I'm new to Colombia.)

[QUOTE=DonValle;2657593]I went there the other day, to number #14. The girl was Mia, and they said the prices were 100 K for half hour with CBJ, 150 K half hour with FS, 200 K for same for an hour. I read the forum back about 30 pages and I see someone saying that those are gringo prices for Mezzanine, and another saying that it depends on which door. I'm curious what people are paying there. Next time I'll try to negotiate and see what happens. The girl was good looking, but those prices seemed too high. (I'm new to Colombia.)[/QUOTE]I'm going to be in Bogota tomorrow. Let see what kinda prices I get. First time there.

[QUOTE=Zirblarf;2656964] Hotel guest policy was super lenient. You can have the girl check in at the front desk and they will send her up directly to your room. No extra guest fee.[/QUOTE]I am surprised.

I wrote email 2 days ago to ask guests policies to Four Point Sheraton Bogota. Here was their reply:

"good morning Mr XXXX.

Yes we will charge per guest 15 usd.

Kind regards, ".

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2656280]Just email them. I tell them I'm a business trip and need to have coworkers or clients stop by the apartment.

From what I've researched in Chapinero (one of the richest districts), AirBnBs and local hotels are the most lenient with their policy. If they do charge, it's a small amount (like less than $10 for an overnight guest). Stay away from the international chains unless you want to pay high fees ($40-$100 for an overnight guest).[/QUOTE]The place I stay in Chapinero (Cra8 at Cll57) runs between $20 - $25/ day (get weekly discount since I stay at least two weeks and no charge for visitors or any hassle.

Negroni is a restaurant located on Calle 23 # 4 a 08, Bogota.

Great gourmet food and a nice environment for only 30 k a person!

If you like good food check this place out!

MM.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2657728]I am surprised.

I wrote email 2 days ago to ask guests policies to Four Point Sheraton Bogota. Here was their reply:

"good morning Mr XXXX.

Yes we will charge per guest 15 usd.

Kind regards, ".[/QUOTE]I had an experience in one small hotel in SF area. I stayed there for a week. Everything was good, the manager is a very nice lady and she lives right in the hotel. I asked her I paid for two people, what is about my guests? Can I bring any? She answered, I can allow you to bring one guest. I asked why not more? She said 'I have a business. I have some long term clients. I am concerned about my health and health of my clients. Why do I need any problems with your guests? You can bring one person you paid for but I don't need any problems more than that.

[QUOTE=Pimpampoumpipo;2657728]I am surprised.

I wrote email 2 days ago to ask guests policies to Four Point Sheraton Bogota. Here was their reply:

"good morning Mr XXXX.

Yes we will charge per guest 15 usd.

Kind regards.[/QUOTE]I have been here for about 6 days so far and this is my second hotel. First one was the NHL Collection WTC, a nice big hotel but def overrated. They had a guest fee of USD 20 p / night. I had booked for 2 pp so they said I can register the 'guest' but any others will have a fee. Have stayed a the Best Western Parque 93, great hotel, no guest fee. I am 'working from home' so I have a lot of stuff in the open. Something about me is I really don't like chicas in my room, just not a fan. Usually, I'll get a 2nd room in a relatively cheap place for few nights for the chicas. A place is IBIS centro for $35-40/ night, no guest fee.

I'll be there Sunday and staying between 3-6 days before heading to Med. Hit my DMs if any of you guys are down to meet up!

I have stayed in two airbnbs near Santa Fe, one was BD Bacata and another was close by. Both of them are towers and both had security guards at the entrance. In both cases guests were allowed, but how strict they were about guests depended on the guard on duty. Best case, they didn't even look up from the desk, worst case, they asked the chica to show a cedula (ID) and register. As long as they were over 18 I don't think they will refuse entry to a guest (As long as the apartment owner has said its ok and in both cases I specifically asked the owner if guests were ok and they said yes). Security must have known what I was up to as well because I was bringing two or three girls a day and some of them were 18 year old skanks from the slums, and Im in my fifities. Personally I don't mind security checking the chicas cedula because it puts them on notice that we know who they are, and if they don't produce one it might be a red flag.

If the airbnb is a private place without security then I don't see how they could even stop you having guests.

In terms of hotels, I've never stayed in a hotel in Bog but I think they tend to be much more strict than airbnbs because unless it simply a short time hotel they don't want families etc to think guys are bringing hookers into the place; It looks bad and it could result in unecessarry drama.

I remember in a hotel called Valentinos in Angeles City in there was a big commotion on the first floor and two ladyboys were bangin on a guests door saying they didnt get paid and were pissed. The security guard didnt intervene, he just laughed and said the cheapskate should have paid. Even in AC though Im sure the hotel didnt want that kind of shit going on.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2658362].....I remember in a hotel called Valentinos in Angeles City in there was a big commotion on the first floor and two ladyboys were bangin on a guests door saying they didnt get paid and were pissed. The security guard didnt intervene, he just laughed and said the cheapskate should have paid. Even in AC though Im sure the hotel didnt want that kind of shit going on.[/QUOTE]The last time I was in AC (2007) the hotel I stayed in (the Perimeter) always had a lineup of at least 10 young slim girls on the ground floor. You could take as many of them at one time to your room as you wished. I love SEA.

Finally made it to Santa Fe solo. It was Tuesday around 7 p'ish and the place did not look alive almost at all. First, went to Fiebre, dead! Few chicas but they were sitting down. No music and then I realized why. The soccer match between Colombia v. Argentina was on and it seemed like time stood still. Had a beer and feft. Walked over and went to check out Paisa's, same outcome. So I started walking around in the street about 2 blocks each direction. There were some chicas hanging out in front of open buildings and all but nothing that caught my interest. Finally, after about an hour, I just left and went back hotel. Definitely, did not feel any kind of intimidation or unsafe walking around SF. Lots of guys / people milling and moving about but mostly seemed to be minding their own business. I'll have to plan for another visit on my next trip.

Just got back from 6 nites in Col, 2 nights were spent in Cali. During that time, saw 7 prepagos total, 3 "Tinder dates" and 2 SA's from when I had my account. The prepagos were OK, none was real bad experience but 2 of them were real mechanical. One strange experience with this one VZ chica was she was in a shared apt, like all of the prepagos I met. This one had a cleaning lady on site cleaning and there were two guys just hanging out in the kitchen area. They were talking very loud, like arguing about soccer and were very loud. Sh! T was very distracting. The girl actually left to ask them to bring their voices down. They did but only for a while. Paid her for an hour but left after about 35 minutes. Her room was a damn sauna with no fans and I was having difficulty breathing so I busted and left.

The tinder dates were basically prepagos from a more legit site. After the match, they all had a proposal which they don't know if I am going to accept. Two asked for 200 k for 2 hrs and the last asked for 500 and she would stay the night. Offered 200 for 2 h and she accepted. She ended up staying the night (where I got the room in Ibis) and gave an extra 100 in the AM. Mainly bec in the AM, she surprised me with an BBBJ in my sleep and we smashed again then left.

First SA asked for a donation for 400 k even before she got there. Again, offered 200 which she 'reluctantly' accepted. She showed up an hour later but she had a cold sore on her upper lip. Good gawd! No thanks!

Second SA came to meet, she's in Cali and linked up with her while I was there. We went to lunch at Hooters Granada and its where we discussing the terms. This one is a legit nurse (sent many pictures and videos). She asked me to pay the rent for her for January (450 US) + $400 for her and she will be with me until I leave. Only 2 nights in town. Had to thank but decline her. That whole process wasted my afternoon.

Al in all I had a great time in Col. Definitely can't wait to go back.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2657982]I have been here for about 6 days so far and this is my second hotel. First one was the NHL Collection WTC, a nice big hotel but def overrated. They had a guest fee of USD 20 p / night. I had booked for 2 pp so they said I can register the 'guest' but any others will have a fee. Have stayed a the Best Western Parque 93, great hotel, no guest fee. I am 'working from home' so I have a lot of stuff in the open. Something about me is I really don't like chicas in my room, just not a fan. Usually, I'll get a 2nd room in a relatively cheap place for few nights for the chicas. A place is IBIS centro for $35-40/ night, no guest fee.[/QUOTE]Last time I stayed in SMR, there was VAT tax relief that was supposed to expire on Dec 31 2021. Do you recall if you were charged VAT after Jan 1st to take guests to IBIS?

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2659025]Second SA came to meet, she's in Cali and linked up with her while I was there. We went to lunch at Hooters Granada and its where we discussing the terms. This one is a legit nurse (sent many pictures and videos). She asked me to pay the rent for her for January (450 US)[/QUOTE]She must live in the flyest pad in town. The nurses I know in Colombia are not raking in a paycheck to pay that kind of rent.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2659196]She must live in the flyest pad in town. The nurses I know in Colombia are not raking in a paycheck to pay that kind of rent.[/QUOTE]Top nurse are making money but I am sure she was trying to get money out of him. In Cali where locals stay that is probably a 3/4 month rent.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2656364]Good to know and thanks for sharing. Planning to use AirBNB the next time I am there during a longer stay and now I know which area to search for.

Taquendama do charge me an equivalent of USD 13 for a visitor at night, but only during nighttime. I am not sure when is their cutoff time is though since I don't have that issue during the daytime.[/QUOTE]Just to be upfront: I haven't been to Bogota before. I'll going in 1. 5 weeks, but researched it here and other sites over the last couple months.

That said, I stayed away from Santa Fe because I wasn't feeling street walkers. I've had luck online so far and you can always order an escort because they all travel to Chapinero. It's a district with a lot of young professionals and students, so I plan on going to bars and trying my luck too. Another user recommended Tinder because it fits the demographic. I'm in my early 30's, so I think it will help.

Is W Bogota girl-friendly, girls are not staying overnight.

[QUOTE=Kutler;2659180]Last time I stayed in SMR, there was VAT tax relief that was supposed to expire on Dec 31 2021. Do you recall if you were charged VAT after Jan 1st to take guests to IBIS?[/QUOTE]I'm sorry but cannot say bec I didn't have anyone stay at Ibis overnight. It was only for daytime play and I went back to my own room to sleep (my hotel was in Rosales) BS Rosales. I highly recommend, its a really excellent hotel but don't know about guest fee.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2659424]Just to be upfront: I haven't been to Bogota before. I'll going in 1. 5 weeks, but researched it here and other sites over the last couple months.

That said, I stayed away from Santa Fe because I wasn't feeling street walkers. I've had luck online so far and you can always order an escort because they all travel to Chapinero. It's a district with a lot of young professionals and students, so I plan on going to bars and trying my luck too. Another user recommended Tinder because it fits the demographic. I'm in my early 30's, so I think it will help.[/QUOTE]Tinder is very slow, if you plan to use it make sure you make backup plans. These girls often just stop responding for hours sometimes (you don't have to wonder why). My last trip I had over 30 matches, took an offer for 50% premium for the 30 days so I tried to reach out to as many as I can. I only met with like 3 of them out of possible 30+. Some are still reaching out to me even today with "donde eres" LOL. My recommendation is to have a chica come to you. It was said before, this way you can make her to take a shower and have a better session. I am beginning to realize I don't like going to their casas. It's cold, musty, tiny, uncomfortable and they don't shower.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2659866]Tinder is very slow, if you plan to use it make sure you make backup plans. These girls often just stop responding for hours sometimes (you don't have to wonder why).[/QUOTE]I would definitely wonder why, because in my experience they do not respond for weeks, not just hours. Like bich I sent that message 3 months ago when I was in the city.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2659866]My last trip I had over 30 matches, took an offer for 50% premium for the 30 days so I tried to reach out to as many as I can. I only met with like 3 of them out of possible 30+.[/quote]I paid for 1 year of that premium and have not seen any different results than before I paid for it. Waste of money in my case.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2659866]Some are still reaching out to me even today with "donde eres" LOL. [/QUOTE]They are asking where you are from because you are now appearing thousands of miles away.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2659866]Tinder is very slow, if you plan to use it make sure you make backup plans. These girls often just stop responding for hours sometimes (you don't have to wonder why). My last trip I had over 30 matches, took an offer for 50% premium for the 30 days so I tried to reach out to as many as I can. I only met with like 3 of them out of possible 30+. Some are still reaching out to me even today with "donde eres" LOL. My recommendation is to have a chica come to you. It was said before, this way you can make her to take a shower and have a better session. I am beginning to realize I don't like going to their casas. It's cold, musty, tiny, uncomfortable and they don't shower.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tips. I do have prepagos lined up in case everything falls through. It's my first time on this type of trip by myself, so I'm open to trying other avenues and failing (but learning). I also plan on bringing them back to my apartment, which has 24 h security and mandatory sign-in for guests. I heard a few horror stories about the conditions of their casas, especially if they're living with roommates. Sounds like it wouldn't even be worth the money because I wouldn't be able to relax.

I am looking for a travel buddy, tour guide and a GF for the two weeks I am in Bogota, I can't speak a word of Spanish (well may be 10 words).

How will you find an English-speaking girl (Not a fluent one) decent-looking? For example the girl in this video [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9gKGH1eCo[/URL].

Tinder, SA, Clubs, Escorts other dating sites. I assume Santa Fe is out of the question.

Is anyone in town? Want to meet up? I got here last night and finally getting over my altitude sickness. I was thinking about hitting SF or a strip club tonight. Drinks on me.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2660187]Thanks for the tips. I do have prepagos lined up in case everything falls through. It's my first time on this type of trip by myself, so I'm open to trying other avenues and failing (but learning). I also plan on bringing them back to my apartment, which has 24 h security and mandatory sign-in for guests. I heard a few horror stories about the conditions of their casas, especially if they're living with roommates. Sounds like it wouldn't even be worth the money because I wouldn't be able to relax.[/QUOTE]If you want to relax, try to meditate. Don't listen to horror stories. No one going to kill you. Girls are 100 times better, than any affluent country, where a husband has to make a proposal before fucking his wife. Buy a woodman's consultation and go to Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2660586]I am looking for a travel buddy, tour guide and a GF for the two weeks I am in Bogota, I can't speak a word of Spanish (well may be 10 words).

How will you find an English-speaking girl (Not a fluent one) decent-looking? For example the girl in this video [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9gKGH1eCo[/URL].

Tinder, SA, Clubs, Escorts other dating sites. I assume Santa Fe is out of the question.[/QUOTE]Travel buddy, tour guide, and a GF. Not 3 separate people, looking for one person who can do all 3.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2660586]I am looking for a travel buddy, tour guide and a GF for the two weeks I am in Bogota, I can't speak a word of Spanish (well may be 10 words).

How will you find an English-speaking girl (Not a fluent one) decent-looking? For example the girl in this video [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF9gKGH1eCo[/URL].

Tinder, SA, Clubs, Escorts other dating sites. I assume Santa Fe is out of the question.[/QUOTE]No one need your Spanish there. Practice google translator, it's good enough to communicate with girls. #1 Take more money with you.

Hi All,

Been 2 years since I've been to Santa Fe, planning to return this year. Can anyone give pricing info on the clubs now? In 2020 a lap dance was 10 k in Atones / Venus vs 30/40 k in Paisas / Feibre. Bottles were $60 USD and girls in lower end clubs would come back to hotel 150 k for 4 hours and in Paisas start at 250 k for the same?

I never got to try the fancy clubs in Zona T but it's be good to know if it's still around 400 k to get girls back?

Many thanks in advance.

OG.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2660625]If you want to relax, try to meditate. Don't listen to horror stories. No one going to kill you. Girls are 100 times better, than any affluent country, where a husband has to make a proposal before fucking his wife. Buy a woodman's consultation and go to Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]Oh, I'm not scared or worried in the least bit. The horror stories were disgusting, freezing rooms.

I've done the club scene in DR, it was fun. I just like the fact I can just browse websites in Colombia and find women that look just as good if not better looking. It's more of the novelty than anything. I will still visit bars and maybe a couple clubs in my spare time.

If you don't want to use Tinder / SA and also want better-looking girls than what you find in Santa Fe, what are your options?

Also what is "prepagos site?"

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2652766]My usual trips to Bogota are about 5-7 days only. That's all the time I can spend for now. Personally, I have learned with such a short time frame, don't spend / waste time with Tinder / SA for a variety of reasons most of which have been mentioned here many times. You will spend / waste a lot of valuable time. Tinder, girls can be flaky and be hours late or just no shows. SA, my experience, slightly improved except some girls are not necessarily a guaranteed bang. Other SA issues are time wasted wining and dining or you might find a girl who won't give you what you really want (eg she won't BBBJ but expects to favored / compensated / donated / helped with like 3-500 k pesos). SA in Colombia is sort of infested with pretty much same prepagos working girls.

I've used both and didn't particularly find anyone more interesting than any girls on prepagos site. I, personally, don't use the term 'non-working girls' because if she's banging a stranger and 'expects' to be 'rewarded' for her time she's working. Whether she mentions it or not, it's expected that she will be rewarded. She may not be a pro-hoe but she a hoe hoe. On a personal ex: Met an attorney on SA last time, she wanted a lifestyle well out of her league. She can mostly get it with foreigners so that's why she's on SA. She was very open about her experiences and has had several sugar daddies who flew her to as far as Dubai. She's had something like 10/12 SD's over the last few years..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2660634]Travel buddy, tour guide, and a GF. Not 3 separate people, looking for one person who can do all 3.[/QUOTE]That's going to be very difficult to find. Even if the girl wants to meet up, she still has her own life and will have to try to fit you in. Most of the women I've talked to are college students or young professionals who are only available certain days.

Do you guys not like to visit the massages sites? There are like 5 clustered around the CL77-CL80 near the Atlantis mall, and I've always found such amazing hot girls, with huge titties, and many of them with very flat stomachs and great asses because they visit the gym regularly. Prices go from 200 k to 310 k and you can pay additional for BBBJ all of them do it for a fee.

Girls themselves have told me they charge more for foreigners but I don't know how much more.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2660634]Travel buddy, tour guide, and a GF. Not 3 separate people, looking for one person who can do all 3.[/QUOTE]Wow, this sounds like it could be a good business idea. How much would you pay for such a girl?

Take into account almost nobody speaks fluent or even good enough English in Colombia so that girl is surely hard to find.

[QUOTE=DonValle;2657593]I went there the other day, to number #14. The girl was Mia, and they said the prices were 100 K for half hour with CBJ, 150 K half hour with FS, 200 K for same for an hour. I read the forum back about 30 pages and I see someone saying that those are gringo prices for Mezzanine, and another saying that it depends on which door. I'm curious what people are paying there. Next time I'll try to negotiate and see what happens. The girl was good looking, but those prices seemed too high. (I'm new to Colombia.)[/QUOTE]Mezzanines are awful after the pandemic, Girls don't look good for the prices they are asking. I was yesterday in all of them and would only pay to f* one of the girls I saw. There was a skinny girl in one of the mezzanines of the back that really looked underage (or 18 at most) and she was very scared, she was introduced to me as "very new", but what I love from Colombian women are their big tits and asses.

Prices should be 120 k-150 k. If you look gringo they'd probably charge more.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2660979]If you don't want to use Tinder / SA and also want better-looking girls than what you find in Santa Fe, what are your options?

Also what is "prepagos site?"[/QUOTE]Prepagos literally means "pre-paid". It's what Colombians call escorts. If you Google the term, you'll find the sites.

I would recommend you have check out those sites before you arrive. In case your other plans don't work out or you have an open day, you call them.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2661010]Do you guys not like to visit the massages sites? There are like 5 clustered around the CL77-CL80 near the Atlantis mall, and I've always found such amazing hot girls, with huge titties, and many of them with very flat stomachs and great asses because they visit the gym regularly. Prices go from 200 k to 310 k and you can pay additional for BBBJ all of them do it for a fee.

Girls themselves have told me they charge more for foreigners but I don't know how much more.

Wow, this sounds like it could be a good business idea. How much would you pay for such a girl?

Take into account almost nobody speaks fluent or even good enough English in Colombia so that girl is surely hard to find.

Mezzanines are awful after the pandemic, Girls don't look good for the prices they are asking. I was yesterday in all of them and would only pay to f* one of the girls I saw. There was a skinny girl in one of the mezzanines of the back that really looked underage (or 18 at most) and she was very scared, she was introduced to me as "very new", but what I love from Colombian women are their big tits and asses.

Prices should be 120 k-150 k. If you look gringo they'd probably charge more.[/QUOTE]I haven't been back to Mezz. Since Covid. I had a few good ones there. I still see one hottie, who got married and had a kid, on the side when our schedules align. But, I have never paid more than 100,000 in the Mezz. And only if I found a 8 or above. Sounds like the quality has gone down and the prices are up. It's always a crap shoot at the Mess. Because you never know what you can find behind the 7 or so doors, the girls come and go frequently so you never know when you can stumble on something really fine. However if the quality is down why prices are up, I'd pass. My hotel is in Chico Norte and I have to pass the Mezz. Every time I go to the Casinos in Unicentro Bogota so it's an easy stop in to see what's available. Happy hunting.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2659862]I'm sorry but cannot say bec I didn't have anyone stay at Ibis overnight. It was only for daytime play and I went back to my own room to sleep (my hotel was in Rosales) BS Rosales. I highly recommend, its a really excellent hotel but don't know about guest fee.[/QUOTE]I never pay the Vat tax and as far as I know foreigners, are not required to pay it.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2660980]That's going to be very difficult to find. Even if the girl wants to meet up, she still has her own life and will have to try to fit you in. Most of the women I've talked to are college students or young professionals who are only available certain days.[/QUOTE]Any prostitute has her client database, there are good long-term clients who will always get #1 position in the line of hungry pussy seekers. Even if she say 'yes I will come' and 5 min later a good long-term client will text her, I want to fuck you, she will dump you. And all of them like to introduce themselves as students, nurses, lawyers etc because it works better for some "papi super monger" style men. They pay more money to fuck a student than a prostitute, even if it's the same pussy, just different names.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2652766]My usual trips to Bogota are about 5-7 days only. That's all the time I can spend for now. Personally, I have learned with such a short time frame, don't spend / waste time with Tinder / SA for a variety of reasons most of which have been mentioned here many times. You will spend / waste a lot of valuable time. Tinder, girls can be flaky and be hours late or just no shows. SA, my experience, slightly improved except some girls are not necessarily a guaranteed bang. Other SA issues are time wasted wining and dining or you might find a girl who won't give you what you really want (eg she won't BBBJ but expects to favored / compensated / donated / helped with like 3-500 k pesos). SA in Colombia is sort of infested with pretty much same prepagos working girls.

I've used both and didn't particularly find anyone more interesting than any girls on prepagos site. I, personally, don't use the term 'non-working girls' because if she's banging a stranger and 'expects' to be 'rewarded' for her time she's working. Whether she mentions it or not, it's expected that she will be rewarded. She may not be a pro-hoe but she a hoe hoe. On a personal ex: Met an attorney on SA last time, she wanted a lifestyle well out of her league. She can mostly get it with foreigners so that's why she's on SA. She was very open about her experiences and has had several sugar daddies who flew her to as far as Dubai. She's had something like 10/12 SD's over the last few years..[/QUOTE]If she's had something like 10/12 SD's over the last few years. You can easy multiply by 10 =120 SD and most likely 10 clients a day and 60 a week.

Looking at Airbnb looks like Chapinero area in Bogata is the place to stay? I am not interested in Santa Fe but would like to try out the clubs and also find places where the girl will come back to my Airbnb.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2661386]Any prostitute has her client database, there are good long-term clients who will always get #1 position in the line of hungry pussy seekers. Even if she say 'yes I will come' and 5 min later a good long-term client will text her, I want to fuck you, she will dump you. And all of them like to introduce themselves as students, nurses, lawyers etc because it works better for some "papi super monger" style men. They pay more money to fuck a student than a prostitute, even if it's the same pussy, just different names.[/QUOTE]You're not wrong. I understand they're all working girls looking to trade for resources in one way or another. They're mostly in the same range as escorts and the ones who ask significantly more get ignored.

As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I have more prepagos in mind than I have enough days. So, if everything else falls through, I'll go down the list.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2661637]Looking at Airbnb looks like Chapinero area in Bogata is the place to stay? I am not interested in Santa Fe but would like to try out the clubs and also find places where the girl will come back to my Airbnb.[/QUOTE]Chapinero is a great choice. Centrally located between Santa Fe and Zona Rosa if you feel like going there. I'm in Bogota a lot and Chapinero is my go to. I especially like the La Macarena neighborhood around Plaza del Toro. Relatively safe, quieter with less street traffic than other parts of Chapinero with lots of dining options.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2661637]Looking at Airbnb looks like Chapinero area in Bogata is the place to stay? I am not interested in Santa Fe but would like to try out the clubs and also find places where the girl will come back to my Airbnb.[/QUOTE]Well first of all its a big city.

It seems if you want to visit SF are you are better to stay within walking distance. BD Bacata which is a tower with a bunch of airbnbs is in an OK area and is about 15 minutes walk to SF. The other thing about staying near SF is that its towards the south of the city and 80% of the girls I met online seemed to live in the slums in the South like Kennedy district, so I think staying in the south / SF area is ok for meeting online girls.

If you want to hit casas and the "mezzanine", its further north near Chapinero. I think it would be too far for most of the south city slum girls to travel to.

So my opinion, if you want to hit casas, stay in Chaipnero.

If you want to hit SF and slum girls, stay south.

When you say casas, are you referring to clubs such as Paisas, Fiebre, Lidos etc?

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2662267]Well first of all its a big city.

It seems if you want to visit SF are you are better to stay within walking distance. BD Bacata which is a tower with a bunch of airbnbs is in an OK area and is about 15 minutes walk to SF. The other thing about staying near SF is that its towards the south of the city and 80% of the girls I met online seemed to live in the slums in the South like Kennedy district, so I think staying in the south / SF area is ok for meeting online girls.

If you want to hit casas and the "mezzanine", its further north near Chapinero. I think it would be too far for most of the south city slum girls to travel to.

So my opinion, if you want to hit casas, stay in Chaipnero.

If you want to hit SF and slum girls, stay south.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2659753]Is W Bogota girl-friendly, girls are not staying overnight.[/QUOTE]W Bogota is awesome and one of my favorite spots in town. It wasn't so much girl friendly and the guest fee was steep. The lounge made up for it, packed with talent.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2659866]Tinder is very slow, if you plan to use it make sure you make backup plans. These girls often just stop responding for hours sometimes (you don't have to wonder why). My last trip I had over 30 matches, took an offer for 50% premium for the 30 days so I tried to reach out to as many as I can. I only met with like 3 of them out of possible 30+.[/QUOTE]Tinder is one of Bogota's best kept secrets. Only one place beats it for tinder and that's Mexico City. Full disclaimer, I am probably quite younger than most and not once, out of hundreds of interactions, have been asked for money on tinder in Bogota. Have met girls from all over, cannot suggest it enough.

[QUOTE=OmicronGamma;2660969]Been 2 years since I've been to Santa Fe, planning to return this year. Can anyone give pricing info on the clubs now? In 2020 a lap dance was 10 k in Atones / Venus vs 30/40 k in Paisas / Feibre. Bottles were $60 USD and girls in lower end clubs would come back to hotel 150 k for 4 hours and in Paisas start at 250 k for the same?

I never got to try the fancy clubs in Zona T but it's be good to know if it's still around 400 k to get girls back? OG.[/QUOTE]Fiebre lapdances are 30 to 50 k. Bottles start at 150+tip. Girls is variable, I've been quoted at high at 150 k for 15 min for the top 2-3 girls at Fiebre and as low as 70 k. Lido was a bit more expensive by Colombian standards: 50 k for my drink and 100 k for the girl's drink, 750 k for 1 h, 250 k for the room.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2662408]When you say casas, are you referring to clubs such as Paisas, Fiebre, Lidos etc?[/QUOTE]Search this section of the forum for the term casas. Hundreds if not thousands of threads on what casas are.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2662560]Lido was a bit more expensive by Colombian standards: 50 k for my drink and 100 k for the girl's drink, 750 k for 1 h, 250 k for the room.[/QUOTE]That's crazy expensive for 2 drinks and 1 hour. I've been reading the recent reviews of these clubs and it looks like the prices have gone up significantly, while the quality of girls has gone down since the pandemic started.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2662560]W Bogota is awesome and one of my favorite spots in town. It wasn't so much girl friendly and the guest fee was steep. The lounge made up for it, packed with talent.

Tinder is one of Bogota's best kept secrets. Only one place beats it for tinder and that's Mexico City. Full disclaimer, I am probably quite younger than most and not once, out of hundreds of interactions, have been asked for money on tinder in Bogota. Have met girls from all over, cannot suggest it enough.[/QUOTE]You must be also good looking too, or maybe you are blonde and look very gringo. I'm also young but with black hair and tinder in Bogotá has never been effective for me. Only fucked for "free" with 1 girl and then gave up, it's too much work. Also all the matches with hot girls I got were prepagos.

[QUOTE=Parks292;2662560]Fiebre lapdances are 30 to 50 k. Bottles start at 150+tip. Girls is variable, I've been quoted at high at 150 k for 15 min for the top 2-3 girls at Fiebre and as low as 70 k. Lido was a bit more expensive by Colombian standards: 50 k for my drink and 100 k for the girl's drink, 750 k for 1 h, 250 k for the room.[/QUOTE]Lido is a total ripoff. Check google maps reviews. Girls themselves have told me they just go there to overcharge foreigners. If you want to pay that much but at least have a better service I can recommend Loutron Cra. 11 a #98-49, you can even go early in the day and still find gorgeous girls that don't like all the drink and drugs you see at night. Prices are 370 k for 1 hour with any of the girls + tips for the hostess + tips for the cleaning lady, a beer costs 40 k but I've been able to get by just buying a bottle of water for 20 k.

The rooms in Loutron are great, each with private bathroom, a comfortable big, clean bed and a TV. I've been twice there and both have been amazing experiences. The last time, which was this year, I didn't pick the hottest girl just a young very good looking one that smiled me a lot in the presentation. I normally wouldn't pay 370 k just by her looks, but on the room she was amazing. Total GFE from the beginning to the end she told me she loved my dick and let me facefuck her until I gave her tears and she seemed happy about it. She also let me eat her pussy as much as I wanted, and I just loved the youngness in her. In the end I got her phone number and I'm so looking forward for my 2nd "date" with her.

So what is the best way to hook up Professionals, Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestigious universities who can speak a little bit of English in Bogotá? I am not into the quick 30 min sex thing in SF, looking for someone to hang out with while I am in Bogotá for more of a GF experience, trying out clubs, restaurants etc.

My ideal girl will be a 8+, college student who can speak some English. I'm happy to spend $1000 on her for the week.

Should I create a profile on Colombia Cupid / SA / Tinder and start chatting with girls? My Spanish is zero. I am only in Bogotá for 5 days.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2644366]A vast amount of the girls I see never mention money But if your in SF or Pussyhouse or mezzanine for that mater, price will always be discussed. Most of my girls have a job, are professional. Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestige universities. Bringing a few inexpensive gifts like VS lotion, some lingerie, a toy for her kid. This has been working for me for years. It puts the relation on a different level. Most of the time I get girl.

Friend sex, not pro sex for an hour. I was accused by one newbie on this site of lying because I get BBBJ because he could not make it happen. Some guys like the 40 min pay as you go service in places like SF or Vila Mimosa if that's your thing, go for it but the venues are very different and if you treat a educated, professional girl better and let her save face by not treating her like working girl BEFORE you get in bed the experience can be over the top. This type of mongering is not for everybody, this thread has been hijacked, for the most part by the SF crowd and that's ok some guys want quantity, some guys GF session. Most times I go out to dinner with my girl after playtime. Maybe not your thing, There is an ass for every seat. Happy Trails.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2662408]When you say casas, are you referring to clubs such as Paisas, Fiebre, Lidos etc?[/QUOTE]All those you refer to are clubs. Casas are daytime brothels.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2662408]When you say casas, are you referring to clubs such as Paisas, Fiebre, Lidos etc?[/QUOTE]Casas are brothels.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2662752]So what is the best way to hook up Professionals, Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestigious universities who can speak a little bit of English in Bogot? I am not into the quick 30 min sex thing in SF, looking for someone to hang out with while I am in Bogot for more of a GF experience, trying out clubs, restaurants etc.

My ideal girl will be a 8+, college student who can speak some English. I'm happy to spend $1000 on her for the week.

Should I create a profile on Colombia Cupid / SA / Tinder and start chatting with girls? My Spanish is zero. I am only in Bogot for 5 days..[/QUOTE]I'll be in Bogota this week and have been using SA for the last few weeks. If you want to find professionals, it's probably your best bet, but keep in mind many of these women are lying about their occupations. Think about it: how can a professional spend all week with you on short notice? Maybe offering $1,000 will work, but you should have contingency plans.

I've scheduled a few dates with women I found on SA. Like you, I want to try out restaurants and the prices are cheap anyway. Right now, it's single dates because I want to see if they're worth it. That said, I have a list of escorts I will call in case these plans fall through or I have some open time.

Also, as it's mentioned many times already, but most women do not speak English. If they do, they're probably escorts who learned it so they can attract foreigners. I would also avoid any woman who gives you a price in USD for that same reason. One girl wanted me to pay $360 for a threesome with her friend. Hard pass.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2662752]So what is the best way to hook up Professionals, Psychologists, Dentists, actresses, models, nurses, Chefs, students in prestigious universities who can speak a little bit of English in Bogot? I am not into the quick 30 min sex thing in SF, looking for someone to hang out with while I am in Bogot for more of a GF experience, trying out clubs, restaurants etc.[/QUOTE]How do you do it at home? Try the same way, except I would not bank on them speaking English.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2662408]When you say casas, are you referring to clubs such as Paisas, Fiebre, Lidos etc?[/QUOTE]"Casas" aka Casa de cita, are basically brothels. You walk in, there is some kind of line up, you go to a room and have sex.

As for "Clubs", although I've never been in the places you mention, in my understanding they look like normal night clubs but they are full of hookers.

As far as I know, Paisas and Fiebre are "Clubs" that are located in Santa Fe, but I don't think there are many (or any?) straight up casas / brothels in Santa Fe. However, up in Chapinero there are dozens of casas in places like the "Mezzanine".

Somewhere on this board is a google map of many of the casas in Bog. It might be outdated but if gives you an idea.

Someone commented that Tinder in Bog is a gold mine full of free pussy. Well, all I can say is that I used Tinder once during a trip last summer and it was ok. You have the hassle of not being able to search for the girls you like, you just have to "like" them and hope they like you. Plus, the matches dry up after a while because Tinder is trying to upsell you to a more expensive subscription.

In my case, 100% of my matches on Tinder wanted to get paid, either right away, or they were clearly angling for a financially supportive relationship.

I also use Seeking but the truth is I don't like apps. I wish I could get away from them as I don't like to be dependent on them. They are convenient though. I like to think I could use my first class day game (LOL) to meet girls, but as my Spanish sucks and I'm only in Bog a few days at a time, it seems like it wouldnt be that easy.

Hello,

I will be traveling to Bogota in the next few or so. I'm looking for some of the best Agency and Independent websites in town. Anyone please DM me or post websites names. I will greatly appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2662892]Someone commented that Tinder in Bog is a gold mine full of free pussy. Well, all I can say is that I used Tinder once during a trip last summer and it was ok. You have the hassle of not being able to search for the girls you like, you just have to "like" them and hope they like you. Plus, the matches dry up after a while because Tinder is trying to upsell you to a more expensive subscription.

In my case, 100% of my matches on Tinder wanted to get paid, either right away, or they were clearly angling for a financially supportive relationship.

I also use Seeking but the truth is I don't like apps. I wish I could get away from them as I don't like to be dependent on them. They are convenient though. I like to think I could use my first class day game (LOL) to meet girls, but as my Spanish sucks and I'm only in Bog a few days at a time, it seems like it wouldnt be that easy.[/QUOTE]Well, yes, of course Tinder works in Bogota. Is it a gold mine of free pussy? I guess that depends. I have been able to bang girls I've met on Tinder (only twice) and not made a direct exchange for cash. Though I did have to take both out to dinner + drinks at a bar before going back to the hotel. So, in a way, I paid for it regardless. You can always get 'free' pussy if you have the time, a luxury that most people lack.

This is my conclusion, IMHO.

Cupid sites = full of girls looking to meet foreigners to milk for $ while they "wait for them to come visit". They are talking to, getting money from and fucking multiple guys.

Tinder / Bumble = Same girls looking for a foreigner who's local to milk. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes but selling sex just not on prepagos sites.

SA = Same girls looking for foreigners they can milk for more bec now you claiming to be well off. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes, present themselves as professionals (pro liars more like it). I find their favorite profession is 'psicologia'. Yes, they are looking for money / transactional sex but now they can charge triple bec you bought into the illusion.

Prepagos = Admitted prostitutes that are also on all the other sites.

Are there exceptions, well, of course but this is my take on it by and large. As I said before, if you have limited time and want to bang many different girls, just accept the transactional sex and keep it moving. These girls aren't in love with you or your the! Ck. You just might be the 9th or 10th dick they are sucking that day LOL. Believe me, have had that experience in my rookie days but whew those days are behind me.

On another note, I recently got back from my 6th Colombian trip since Jan'21 and it was the fourth time I've won the lottery for secondary inspection right boarding the plane. So fukkin annoying'.

I was wondering why Colombia has so much shrinks.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2663082]SA = Same girls looking for foreigners they can milk for more bec now you claiming to be well off. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes, present themselves as professionals (pro liars more like it). I find their favorite profession is 'psicologia'. Yes, they are looking for money / transactional sex but now they can charge triple bec you bought into the illusion.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2663082]Well, yes, of course Tinder works in Bogota. Is it a gold mine of free pussy? I guess that depends. I have been able to bang girls I've met on Tinder (only twice) and not made a direct exchange for cash. Though I did have to take both out to dinner + drinks at a bar before going back to the hotel. So, in a way, I paid for it regardless. You can always get 'free' pussy if you have the time, a luxury that most people lack.

This is my conclusion, IMHO.

Cupid sites = full of girls looking to meet foreigners to milk for $ while they "wait for them to come visit". They are talking to, getting money from and fucking multiple guys.

Tinder / Bumble = Same girls looking for a foreigner who's local to milk. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes but selling sex just not on prepagos sites.

SA = Same girls looking for foreigners they can milk for more bec now you claiming to be well off. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes, present themselves as professionals (pro liars more like it). I find their favorite profession is 'psicologia'. Yes, they are looking for money / transactional sex but now they can charge triple bec you bought into the illusion..[/QUOTE]The best practice is to say I want to be the first client or I will not pay. In this case they just don't reply to your texting. No one of them will say" you are the 10th dick today.

[QUOTE=Aquarius1981;2663026]Hello,

I will be traveling to Bogota in the next few or so. I'm looking for some of the best Agency and Independent websites in town. Anyone please DM me or post websites names. I will greatly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]What do you mean by independent websites? Do you think, there there are special pussies? Probably your expectations are to high.

I will be traveling in a few months been creating a list based on posts here. Can someone please comment on which one is good and which one is scams? I am happy to maintain an updated list.

Escort Providers.

Erotica Bogata [URL]https://eroticasbogota.com/modelos/bogota/[/URL].

Lacelestina [URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL].

Encounter VIP [URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/prepagosbogota?lang=en[/URL].

Solita [URL]http://solitasparati.com/9/[/URL].

Passion [URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/bogota[/URL].

Paradise Escort [URL]https://escortsbogota.co/[/URL].

Mmodelosalacarta [URL]https://modelosalacarta.com/escorts-de-lujo-y-chicas-prepagos-en-bogota/[/URL] (The prices are more expensive than US).

Elsilencio [URL]https://bogota.elsilencio.co/[/URL].

Escort Directory.

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/bogota[/URL]

[URL]https://co.mundosexanuncio.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/bogota/[/URL]

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Aquarius1981;2663026]Hello,

I will be traveling to Bogota in the next few or so. I'm looking for some of the best Agency and Independent websites in town. Anyone please DM me or post websites names. I will greatly appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2663082]Well, yes, of course Tinder works in Bogota. Is it a gold mine of free pussy? I guess that depends. I have been able to bang girls I've met on Tinder (only twice) and not made a direct exchange for cash. Though I did have to take both out to dinner + drinks at a bar before going back to the hotel. So, in a way, I paid for it regardless. You can always get 'free' pussy if you have the time, a luxury that most people lack.

This is my conclusion, IMHO.

Cupid sites = full of girls looking to meet foreigners to milk for $ while they "wait for them to come visit". They are talking to, getting money from and fucking multiple guys.

Tinder / Bumble = Same girls looking for a foreigner who's local to milk. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes but selling sex just not on prepagos sites.

SA = Same girls looking for foreigners they can milk for more bec now you claiming to be well off. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes, present themselves as professionals (pro liars more like it). I find their favorite profession is 'psicologia'. Yes, they are looking for money / transactional sex but now they can charge triple bec you bought into the illusion..[/QUOTE]Are the subscription on Tinder and colombiancupid cheapter than the United app store? I find those dating apps subscription ridiculously expensive.

This report On Bogota is about a month late as I'm in Rio de Janeiro at the moment but I have some time to recollect on my time spent in Bogota as I wait in the hotel lobby for my room to be properly prepared before my late night intentions become reality as I plan to soil the sheets with strange exotic pussy juices that I will most certainly will be on the hunt for come sundown.

I must admit that Colombia holds a special place in my heart. Usually I prefer to spend my time in Medellin for a multitude of reasons but this time I chose to stay solely in Bogota my initial experience into barrio Santa Fe for an all out 5 day pussy bender.

This would be my second stay in Bogota. 4 years prior, I arrived in the city on the tail end of a month long journey traveling around the country in tourist / monger mode. Somewhere along the way I caught the clap and my stay in Bogota was severely effected by this sub gnarly funky brew dripping from the tip of my cock. I was a self imposed sexual benched player and officially out of sexual commission until I could get things back to normal function. Now Catching the clap in a place like Colombia where you are constantly surrounded by scores of young, beautiful and available Colombianas is an absolute nightmare scenario to endure. Actually Its pure torture! It's like going on a beach vacation and forgetting to pack your bag or going on a hunting expedition only to discover you left your gun and ammo at home. Basically it all adds up to a complete waste of time if sex is your favorite item on the menu and furthermore, getting the clap absolutely sucks as some of you hardcore mongers already know all too well. There's nothing pleasant about it. I'll go ahead and stop with the gruesome details right there and continue on.

Now Fast forward 4 years and I'm back in Bogota with a clean bill of heath! I decided a short stopover in Bogota would be a perfect opportunity to break up my long journey to Brazil, which is a country I would much rather roam about but that's another story for another time.

In Bogota, I strategically booked a hotel on the south end of the city at the girl friendly Tequendama suites which is only a short 10-15 minute walk away from the red light tolerance zone of Santa Fe! To my surprise there were an over abundance of both Colombian and Venezuelan street girls willing to participate in quick sexual encounters for less than 10 usd for around 30 minutes of pleasure. The variety of girls is truly amazing. Almost like a box of crayons, there is every shade on display. To quote a popular rap group from the 80's, "they got more flavors than fruit stripe gum!" There is something for everybody's taste whether you prefer flaquitas, gorditas, white girls, brown, afro and everything in between. You name it and it's there.

I was looking forward to exploring the famous la piscina only to find out that it was currently closed for pool renovations. There's a small bar directly across the street run by a former la piscina employee. A Super cool and accommodating Venezuelan guy named Alejandro with perfect English. This tiny spot was my bar of choice and served as a perfect locale to get the evening started.

I can confirm other reports that fiebre and troya have the hottest girls at the moment. If you're chasing quality there's really no need to look elsewhere. There are diamonds in the rough if you're considering the street girls. I saw a few vennies that I knew from Medellin that used to hang around Vera Cruz in centro. I couldn't get a straight answer as to why they moved to Santa Fe where they were obviously making less money but really it was none of my business. I noticed far less pimps and boyfriends than I normally see when I'm roaming around el centro in Medellin which is always a plus. I'm sure they are close by and not completely out of sight. Like others, I don't like being in their close proximity. I will add that if you walk a block too far to the south end of Santa Fe you will most certainly run into an interesting breed of woman who aren't woman after all if you catch my drift. Many bro-working girls are on the prowl so watch out unless that's your thing.

All in all I had a great time in Santa Fe. 5 days might be too long. If I had it to do over again I'd probably shorten it to 3 or 4 max. I realize everybody is different and some mongers could post up there for weeks at a time but to each their own.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2662888]"Casas" aka Casa de cita, are basically brothels. You walk in, there is some kind of line up, you go to a room and have sex.

As for "Clubs", although I've never been in the places you mention, in my understanding they look like normal night clubs but they are full of hookers.

As far as I know, Paisas and Fiebre are "Clubs" that are located in Santa Fe, but I don't think there are many (or any?) straight up casas / brothels in Santa Fe. However, up in Chapinero there are dozens of casas in places like the "Mezzanine".

Somewhere on this board is a google map of many of the casas in Bog. It might be outdated but if gives you an idea.[/QUOTE]I disagree on the part about the "clubs" looking lime normal night clubs. Places like fiebre or paisas have a long "catwalk" where girls do a striptease show. Some go beyond just getting naked and end up inserting dildos or other things in their vaginas or somewhere else. Sometimes they do threesomes and sometimes a guy from the audience is invited for a blowjob or even a short fuck session. Those clubs normally have a second and third floor with rooms where you can fuck the hookers. Some of those girls even live in those rooms. Some have a VIP area where you can get a lap dance.

[QUOTE=OJeito;2663248]This report On Bogota is about a month late as I'm in Rio de Janeiro at the moment but I have some time to recollect on my time spent in Bogota as I wait in the hotel lobby for my room to be properly prepared before my late night intentions become reality as I plan to soil the sheets with strange exotic pussy juices that I will most certainly will be on the hunt for come sundown.

I must admit that Colombia holds a special place in my heart. Usually I prefer to spend my time in Medellin for a multitude of reasons but this time I chose to stay solely in Bogota my initial experience into barrio Santa Fe for an all out 5 day pussy bender.

This would be my second stay in Bogota. 4 years prior, I arrived in the city on the tail end of a month long journey traveling around the country in tourist / monger mode. Somewhere along the way I caught the clap and my stay in Bogota was severely effected by this sub gnarly funky brew dripping from the tip of my cock. I was a self imposed sexual benched player and officially out of sexual commission until I could get things back to normal function. Now Catching the clap in a place like Colombia where you are constantly surrounded by scores of young, beautiful and available Colombianas is an absolute nightmare scenario to endure. Actually Its pure torture! It's like going on a beach vacation and forgetting to pack your bag or going on a hunting expedition only to discover you left your gun and ammo at home. Basically it all adds up to a complete waste of time if sex is your favorite item on the menu and furthermore, getting the clap absolutely sucks as some of you hardcore mongers already know all too well. There's nothing pleasant about it. I'll go ahead and stop with the gruesome details right there and continue on.

Now Fast forward 4 years and I'm back in Bogota with a clean bill of heath! I decided a short stopover in Bogota would be a perfect opportunity to break up my long journey to Brazil, which is a country I would much rather roam about but that's another story for another time.

In Bogota, I strategically booked a hotel on the south end of the city at the girl friendly Tequendama suites which is only a short 10-15 minute walk away from the red light tolerance zone of Santa Fe! To my surprise there were an over abundance of both Colombian and Venezuelan street girls willing to participate in quick sexual encounters for less than 10 usd for around 30 minutes of pleasure. The variety of girls is truly amazing. Almost like a box of crayons, there is every shade on display. To quote a popular rap group from the 80's, "they got more flavors than fruit stripe gum!" There is something for everybody's taste whether you prefer flaquitas, gorditas, white girls, brown, afro and everything in between. You name it and it's there..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the TR and this is what makes me not to go BBFS despite how tempting it is but not worth the stress of visiting doc back home and hiding to wife.

I am coming for the firs time to Colombia this weekend. One day / night in Cartagena, 5 day / nights in Medellin and then 1 night in Bogota before heading home.

Both Cartagena and Medellin itinerary is kind of sorted out and now its turn to focus on Bogota to have one last night before heading to north pole.

I was debating to take the hotel near airport with free shuttle either from Hilton or Marriott as I have points to burn (2 year of sitting at home) before they expire. But after reading your report. I guess I will look into Tequendama suits as price seems to be reasonable ($50) for luxury suite which has separate living room which is the most convenient for two people when one is banging chica in room and the other can be busy in living room.

But we are landing around 3 pm and have plans to visit Monseratte which seems to be close to this hotel.

The question is this hotel allows any number of guests and any number of times (of course me and my friend will bring each girl, either we will swap or go out bring two more) in the night?

If not, am I better off to stick to JW Marriott and relax and come to Santa Fe for quick action using the short term rental or casa.

BTW any one recently tried this casa? Calle73, Calle67 next to Figaro Barbershop. It's a white door.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2663082]W

Tinder / Bumble = Same girls looking for a foreigner who's local to milk. They don't want to think of themselves as prostitutes but selling sex just not on prepagos sites.

S'.[/QUOTE]Is Bumble similar to Tinder? Do you need to have a paid subscription to get action? I'm interested in using Bumble in Bog and Mexico.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2663129]What do you mean by independent websites? Do you think, there there are special pussies? Probably your expectations are to high.[/QUOTE]No, sir! I do not think "there or (their) are special pussies" what I mean is that there are websites where independent women can post ADs and there are websites from / are agencies. My apologies for any confusion. Honestly IMO I really like agencies be / see their women are on time and kinda professional and if there is a problem hopefully they can resolve any issues. I have been mongering all over the world, but not in South America. So, yes I have kinda have high expectations due to my track record. Thank you for your reply I really appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2663147]I will be traveling in a few months been creating a list based on posts here. Can someone please comment on which one is good and which one is scams? I am happy to maintain an updated list.

Escort Providers.

Erotica Bogata [URL]https://eroticasbogota.com/modelos/bogota/[/URL].

Lacelestina [URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL].

Encounter VIP [URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/prepagosbogota?lang=en[/URL].

Solita [URL]http://solitasparati.com/9/[/URL].

Passion [URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/bogota[/URL].

Paradise Escort [URL]https://escortsbogota.co/[/URL].

Mmodelosalacarta [URL]https://modelosalacarta.com/escorts-de-lujo-y-chicas-prepagos-en-bogota/[/URL] (The prices are more expensive than US).[/QUOTE]WOW, I must say. Great work! Many of theses websites I have taken note and briefly looked over their clientele and have target a few ladies of interest. Please DM so we can talk if you want.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2663392]Is Bumble similar to Tinder? [/QUOTE]Yes it is similar to Tinder, but when you match females have to send the first message to males.

Anyone know how to get a Colombia number before you arrive in Colombia? Apple phones support Duel SIM, so the 2nd one has to be a eSim.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2663147]I will be traveling in a few months been creating a list based on posts here. Can someone please comment on which one is good and which one is scams? I am happy to maintain an updated list.

Escort Providers.

Erotica Bogata [URL]https://eroticasbogota.com/modelos/bogota/[/URL].

Lacelestina [URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL].

Encounter VIP [URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/prepagosbogota?lang=en[/URL].

Solita [URL]http://solitasparati.com/9/[/URL].

You should understand that agency is someone who own a website and have some phone numbers of some prostitutes. and maybe some pics are real but most likly not. They are just fishing for clients to get their cut for the phone number. As soon as you text them they start to look for an available girl. Big advertising sites .... many pics are facke.

Passion [URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/bogota[/URL].

Paradise Escort [URL]https://escortsbogota.co/[/URL].[/QUOTE]These are just websites, no girls. They have a database of prostitutes and start to look for an available one as soon as you text them. Big add sites are. As usual a lot of fake pics, I think more than 70%.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2663147]I will be traveling in a few months been creating a list based on posts here. Can someone please comment on which one is good and which one is scams? I am happy to maintain an updated list.

Escort Providers.

Erotica Bogata [URL]https://eroticasbogota.com/modelos/bogota/[/URL].

Lacelestina [URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL].

Encounter VIP [URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/prepagosbogota?lang=en[/URL].

Solita [URL]http://solitasparati.com/9/[/URL].

Passion [URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/bogota[/URL].

Paradise Escort [URL]https://escortsbogota.co/[/URL].

Mmodelosalacarta [URL]https://modelosalacarta.com/escorts-de-lujo-y-chicas-prepagos-en-bogota/[/URL] (The prices are more expensive than US).

Elsilencio [URL]https://bogota.elsilencio.co/[/URL].

Escort Directory.

[URL]https://pasionprepagos.com/escorts/bogota[/URL]

[URL]https://co.mundosexanuncio.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/bogota/[/URL]

[URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]I can only speak for the escort service that I have used which is Erotica Bogota. Most of the girls from that agency were good and I enjoyed their services. There were reports from other members recommending them too.

Girls from mileroticos could be a hit or miss. Some of their photos could be photoshopped to look better that they do and past their prime.

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2663353]I was debating to take the hotel near airport with free shuttle either from Hilton or Marriott as I have points to burn (2 year of sitting at home) before they expire. But after reading your report. I guess I will look into Tequendama suits as price seems to be reasonable ($50) for luxury suite which has separate living room which is the most convenient for two people when one is banging chica in room and the other can be busy in living room.[/QUOTE]If you're referring to the Hilton or Marriott in Chapinero, they charge for bringing guests to your room. Most international hotel chains in the city will charge you each time and won't let you bring more than 1 guest. I opted for an apartment rental off Airbnb because you can bring someone to your apartment for no charge for a few hours, but they do charge $10 if they stay overnight (which I will not be doing, but is a very fair price).

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2663353]The question is this hotel allows any number of guests and any number of times (of course me and my friend will bring each girl, either we will swap or go out bring two more) in the night?[/QUOTE]Because you're going this weekend, I would recommend you just email or call them instead of hoping someone will answer in time. I tell them I'm visiting on business and would need to have coworkers stop by my place. That's how I found out the Hilton and Marriott in Chapinero charge.

Feel free to hit me up via PM if you are in town and would like to meet up.

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2663353]Thanks for the TR and this is what makes me not to go BBFS despite how tempting it is but not worth the stress of visiting doc back home and hiding to wife.[/QUOTE]FYI, I'm 100% positive that I caught the clap from a BBBJ so it's also something to consider if you are hiding your sexual activities from a loved one back home. Wrap it up at your own discretion!

Do they charge if I take someone to my room for a few hours? Or is this just overnight?

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2663572]If you're referring to the Hilton or Marriott in Chapinero, they charge for bringing guests to your room. Most international hotel chains in the city will charge you each time and won't let you bring more than 1 guest. I opted for an apartment rental off Airbnb because you can bring someone to your apartment for no charge for a few hours, but they do charge $10 if they stay overnight (which I will not be doing, but is a very fair price).

Because you're going this weekend, I would recommend you just email or call them instead of hoping someone will answer in time. I tell them I'm visiting on business and would need to have coworkers stop by my place. That's how I found out the Hilton and Marriott in Chapinero charge.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2663353]I guess I will look into Tequendama suits as price seems to be reasonable ($50) for luxury suite which has separate living room which is the most convenient for two people when one is banging chica in room and the other can be busy in living room..[/QUOTE]If you (or anyone else) stays at the Tequendama, and you actually get a room that has updated windows that gets no street noise, please share the room number. We like the location, the grand old style, and the fact that it's frequently half deserted, but after our last stay, it'll be never again unless it's double-pane windows.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2663648]If you (or anyone else) stays at the Tequendama, and you actually get a room that has updated windows that gets no street noise, please share the room number. We like the location, the grand old style, and the fact that it's frequently half deserted, but after our last stay, it'll be never again unless it's double-pane windows.[/QUOTE]After reading multiple negative reports on the living conditions at the Tequendama hotel, I took other bm'ers advice and shelled out an extra 15 usd per night and booked my stay at the Tequendama suites which is a 2-3 minute walk away. I highly recommend it too!

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2663473]Anyone know how to get a Colombia number before you arrive in Colombia? Apple phones support Duel SIM, so the 2nd one has to be a eSim.[/QUOTE]Try amazon, maybe they sell something, maybe skype sells Colombian # or just google who sells online phone # there are some companies.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2663532]I can only speak for the escort service that I have used which is Erotica Bogota. Most of the girls from that agency were good and I enjoyed their services. There were reports from other members recommending them too.

Girls from mileroticos could be a hit or miss. Some of their photos could be photoshopped to look better that they do and past their prime.[/QUOTE]In my experience with Erotica Bogota, I am looking at the same pics for 4-5 years, and I've never had a girl that they advertised. They are fishing for gringo clients who can pay more than average price for just any available girl. In addition, I had a problem with their site. When I texted them and didn't buy a girl from them, they reported my 'one day old sim card' to somewhere and when I have tried to book a girl from [URL]prepagos.com[/URL] she said that my phone # has bad reviews.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2663646]Do they charge if I take someone to my room for a few hours? Or is this just overnight?[/QUOTE]You must pay for any guest that goes to your room for those 2 chains in Chapinero, so matter how long.

In other news, I just landed in Bogota a couple hours ago and am here for a week. I'll write up a full report once I'm headed back home.

Let me know what you find about a hotel. I like to stay at a nice hotel that will check the ID of the guest (Just for my safety).

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2663842]You must pay for any guest that goes to your room for those 2 chains in Chapinero, so matter how long.

In other news, I just landed in Bogota a couple hours ago and am here for a week. I'll write up a full report once I'm headed back home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2663992]Let me know what you find about a hotel. I like to stay at a nice hotel that will check the ID of the guest (Just for my safety).[/QUOTE]Pretty much every hotel or apartment rental require every guest to show ID and sign in even if they don't charge a fee.

According to a couple people in this thread, the only places that won't are private apartments being leased out on Airbnb, but this isn't always true either.

[QUOTE=OJeito;2663684]After reading multiple negative reports on the living conditions at the Tequendama hotel, I took other bm'ers advice and shelled out an extra 15 usd per night and booked my stay at the Tequendama suites which is a 2-3 minute walk away. I highly recommend it too![/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip on the Tequendama suites and I did not know another hotel with similar name exists.

Quick question. I don't recall you answered that did they charged for guests? Like even few hours or over night.

Another thing is we are two people and are these suites are well versed to have both of us have privacy (semi) to have our sessions separately?

Is this the location that you are referring to Located in: International center Bodybrite.

Address: Cra. 10 #27-51, Bogota, Cundinamarca, Colombia.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2663842]You must pay for any guest that goes to your room for those 2 chains in Chapinero, so matter how long.

In other news, I just landed in Bogota a couple hours ago and am here for a week. I'll write up a full report once I'm headed back home.[/QUOTE]That would be awesome I am landing on 19th early morning but immediately heading to Cartagena then to Medellin.

But will be back to Bogota on 25th afternoon to catch our return flight the next day.

For now I will not book even the Tequendama suites until your report.

Hope to see your report before my trip commences. Tried sending a msg but looks like you blocked receiving msg.

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[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2663842]You must pay for any guest that goes to your room for those 2 chains in Chapinero, so matter how long.

In other news, I just landed in Bogota a couple hours ago and am here for a week. I'll write up a full report once I'm headed back home.[/QUOTE]I heard from some other member that JW Marriott Chapinero is chica friendly but I ruled out for the elite status I have is no guarantee to get the suite upgrade which is inconvenient for two people bringing chica.

Probably my best is so far Tequendama suites as they are reasonable at price point of view and have bedroom and living room and close to the centre of action.

Or.

Take the Hilton or Marriott near airport (as we are staying only night) and stoll around Santa Fe for gems. If nothing available for our taste then try out the casa mentioned by another member at: Calle73, Calle67 next to Figaro Barbershop. It's a white door, just go inside, hit the buzze 30 m-80 k.

Will wait for your report before I pull the trigger of booking the accommodation.

Where I live, the going rate is USD 200 an hour. My default agency is [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/models[/URL] . The good news is these are good-looking girls, reputable agencies and the girls speak English. The bad news is that the rate does not go down, for example, if I want the girl for 5 hours, it's 1000 USD and the girls will not do deals outside of the agency.

If you want the 8-10 in looks girl, what are your options in Bogota?

SA / Tinder.

Escort Agency.

Brothels / Strip clubs (Lido, Paisas Fiebre).

Going to a club and picking up a girl will not work for me, I do not speak Spanish much and I am old.

Call this one and ask them.

Central Chapinero.

Calle 61 #7-18, Bogotá, Cundinamarca, Colombia.

+57 601 7449999.

[URL]www.viaggio617.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2663992]Let me know what you find about a hotel. I like to stay at a nice hotel that will check the ID of the guest (Just for my safety).[/QUOTE]

JW Marriott Chapinero is around $200 a night.

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2664263]I heard from some other member that JW Marriott Chapinero is chica friendly but I ruled out for the elite status I have is no guarantee to get the suite upgrade which is inconvenient for two people bringing chica.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2664463]Call this one and ask them.

Central Chapinero.

Calle 61 #7-18, Bogot, Cundinamarca, Colombia.

+57 601 7449999.

[URL]www.viaggio617.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Just booked Tequendama suites after reading thru other members feedback.

Do you think is much better? I only need for one night and just wanted to have hassle free chica entry of course don't wanted to sneak them without verifying the ID at front desk.

My only concerns is we are two guys and if we bring two girls? Will they allow or not. If they allow how much do they charge in general?

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2664263]. If nothing available for our taste then try out the casa mentioned by another member at: Calle73, Calle67 next to Figaro Barbershop. It's a white door, just go inside, hit the buzze 30 m-80 k.

Will wait for your report before I pull the trigger of booking the accommodation.[/QUOTE]Can you clarify the adress, I searched on google maps, couldn't find it. Maybe a typo?

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2664385]Where I live, the going rate is USD 200 an hour. My default agency is [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/models[/URL] . The good news is these are good-looking girls, reputable agencies and the girls speak English. The bad news is that the rate does not go down, for example, if I want the girl for 5 hours, it's 1000 USD and the girls will not do deals outside of the agency.

If you want the 8-10 in looks girl, what are your options in Bogota?

SA / Tinder.

Escort Agency.

Brothels / Strip clubs (Lido, Paisas Fiebre).

Going to a club and picking up a girl will not work for me, I do not speak Spanish much and I am old.[/QUOTE]SA / Tinder won't work for if you won't stay long time and especially if you don't speak Spanish.

Escort agencies are hit or miss, many times they send whoever is available at the moment and not the girl you specifically asked for. Sometimes they do send the girl but her pictures were from 5 years ago and with a lot of photoshop. And of course, if you are in your lucky day, sometimes they do send the girl and she looks even better that in pictures.

Lido is a ripoff, don't go there, check their google map reviews and check other comments in this forum, they charge 750 k for the girl + 250 k for the room, that's extremely expensive for Colombia and most of the girls that work there also work in other places charging 50% less.

Your best bet IMO is going to a brothel where you can see a presentation of all the girls and you get to pick. They won't speak English but they will be able to communicate with you using google translate. I can recommend 2 sites in Bogota for 8-10 girls:

One is Loutron Cra. 11 a #98-49, prices here are 370 k + tips for the hostess + beverages. Expect to pay more for not speaking Spanish, but the girls are very good looking. You find most girls at the evening after 6 PM.

The other one is Absolut Spa Cra. 16 #80-66 this is a massages house, but all the girls fuck, they even don't like when a customer only wants the massage. Here the price is 310 k and most girls will offer you BBBJ for a fee. What I love about this place is that as long as it is open you will always find plenty of good looking girls even if you go let's say at 10 AM.

When will you be arriving? I could go with you to one of these places if you'd like.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2664550]Can you clarify the adress, I searched on google maps, couldn't find it. Maybe a typo?[/QUOTE]Here you go.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2664385]Where I live, the going rate is USD 200 an hour. My default agency is [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/models[/URL] . The good news is these are good-looking girls, reputable agencies and the girls speak English. The bad news is that the rate does not go down, for example, if I want the girl for 5 hours, it's 1000 USD and the girls will not do deals outside of the agency.

If you want the 8-10 in looks girl, what are your options in Bogota?

SA / Tinder.

Escort Agency.

Brothels / Strip clubs (Lido, Paisas Fiebre).

Going to a club and picking up a girl will not work for me, I do not speak Spanish much and I am old.[/QUOTE]Mtl, I would do a Santa Fe tour with Woodman. I think he can find you an 8 in one of the clubs or maybe on the street (less likely). Fucking there is cheap. If you find someone you like, you can negotiate a longer term deal, and I bet you can get it for under $200 or even $100 easy.

SA probably has the hottest women I met in Bogota, but it is a lot of work to find them. The girls I met were higher class in general, and I enjoyed hanging out with them, but they want more money and you get no showed a bunch in the beginning. I would not do that unless you have a lot of time.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2664550]Can you clarify the adress, I searched on google maps, couldn't find it. Maybe a typo?[/QUOTE]I don't know as I noted from the below post who has an excellent report.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2557406&highlight=Figaro[/URL]+Barbershop#post2557406.

Probably some one down there can confirm this location or aware of this place.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2664568]Here you go.[/QUOTE]Thank you. Just checked google earth. But don't see any white gate as mentioned in the post.

Can any one reconfirm this DP who has visited recently?

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2664385]Where I live, the going rate is USD 200 an hour. My default agency is [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/models[/URL] . The good news is these are good-looking girls, reputable agencies and the girls speak English. The bad news is that the rate does not go down, for example, if I want the girl for 5 hours, it's 1000 USD and the girls will not do deals outside of the agency.

If you want the 8-10 in looks girl, what are your options in Bogota?

SA / Tinder.

Escort Agency.

Brothels / Strip clubs (Lido, Paisas Fiebre).

Going to a club and picking up a girl will not work for me, I do not speak Spanish much and I am old.[/QUOTE]You can find 8 & 8. 5 on all the options you mentioned. SA / Tinder will swallow your valuable time. You can try to Escorts Agencies but as it has been said before there are no guarantees. On most of the escorts sites, the girls faces are blurred anyway so you really are getting that cat in the bag. You can find some real gems in the casas too and Santa Fe. No matter which route, you got to put in some work, sorry there's no point and click but boy do I wish.

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2664261]That would be awesome I am landing on 19th early morning but immediately heading to Cartagena then to Medellin.

But will be back to Bogota on 25th afternoon to catch our return flight the next day.

For now I will not book even the Tequendama suites until your report.

Hope to see your report before my trip commences. Tried sending a msg but looks like you blocked receiving msg.[/QUOTE]You can't message me because I didn't have time to pay for the forum membership, but will do so sometime after I get back. But to answer your question, I'm staying at an apartment rental across the street from the Hilton Doubletree in Chapinero. Look on Airbnb and you'll find it.

They do not charge for guests unless they're staying overnight. I really like the area and am satisfied with my choice even though I've been here for only 2 days so far. Pretty much everything you need is within walking distance.

A quick recap of my 2 days: first day I was feeling some lingering stomach issues from last week. I felt better in the afternoon and called an escort who works for an agency on Mileroticos. No complaints and she gave me her personal number to call instead. I got dinner and decided to call it an early night because I didn't get much sleep the night prior.

Second day I had my first date with a girl off SA. It went great. We grabbed lunch and spent a total of 6 hours together. She asked for only 200 K while the escort from day 1 asked a little less than that for an hour. She offered a threesome with her friend and I scheduled it for Saturday because it's one of my open days. We're going to meet just the two of us in the morning and then grab drinks with her friend at night. Now your miles may vary. I feel like I kinda lucked out because she's attracted to me. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape. I'm not trying to sound like those guys who swear the stripper likes them. But there's no way she would have charged so little for 5 hours at my apartment otherwise. My bare minimum Spanish wasn't much of an issue. We communicated through translation apps for the most part.

Friday I have another SA date at night. I have another escort in mind for the day, but man, I'm already running out of time to see all the girls I wanted to. I had to turn down some SA girls too. Their interest shot up after I updated my profile telling them I was currently in Bogota.

Interesting find [URL]https://foroprepagoscolombia.com/[/URL] . It's all in Spanish but google chrome does an ok job of translating. 35 bucks for a monthly membership.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2664576]SA probably has the hottest women I met in Bogota, but it is a lot of work to find them. The girls I met were higher class in general, and I enjoyed hanging out with them, but they want more money and you get no showed a bunch in the beginning. I would not do that unless you have a lot of time.[/QUOTE]I know my previous post spoke well of a woman I met off SA, but he's absolutely right that it is a lot of work. This was my first solo trip and I never tried sites like that, so I wanted to give it a try even if I failed. After 3 weeks of working the site, I was able to secure 3 dates. Now I know what you're thinking, but I'm only here for 6 days and more than 3 would be too much considering I'm calling a few escorts in between and wanted to keep some days open for flexibility. I ended up turning down many more and have so many unread messages, I set my profile to private. There's a 4th who wanted to meet the same night and lives close, so I'll try to fit her in if I can.

Now, would I use SA again if I return? Probably not. It was fun for a while but the novelty wears off. Women will stop responding to your texts if you're 3+ weeks away when you first talk. Start talking to them 2 weeks or less before you arrive.

Need to be vaccinated to go to Colombia.

There are no such prices in Colombia.

You can fuck already for 10 bucks.

Just search for "prepago."

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2664642]You can find 8 & 8. 5 on all the options you mentioned. SA / Tinder will swallow your valuable time. You can try to Escorts Agencies but as it has been said before there are no guarantees. On most of the escorts sites, the girls faces are blurred anyway so you really are getting that cat in the bag. You can find some real gems in the casas too and Santa Fe. No matter which route, you got to put in some work, sorry there's no point and click but boy do I wish.[/QUOTE]

Hi,

I've never been in Medellin / no direct flights / and now thinking to travel there. Is there anything there kind of SF low tolerance zone? Many girls in one spot. My goal is to spend less time and effort to search girls, I don't want to run around the city in the hope to get my dream girl. And it's good to see 2 girls a day younger than 25 year old.

What about casas in Medellin Centro via Chapinero?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2664385]Where I live, the going rate is USD 200 an hour. My default agency is [URL]https://www.escortsxo.com/models[/URL] . The good news is these are good-looking girls, reputable agencies and the girls speak English. The bad news is that the rate does not go down, for example, if I want the girl for 5 hours, it's 1000 USD and the girls will not do deals outside of the agency.

If you want the 8-10 in looks girl, what are your options in Bogota?

SA / Tinder.

Escort Agency.

Brothels / Strip clubs (Lido, Paisas Fiebre).

Going to a club and picking up a girl will not work for me, I do not speak Spanish much and I am old.[/QUOTE]It looks like you are the first time there, get some experience with all options if you want. But keep a back up option, which is always FS. Book your hotel close to the spot, if you get tired to play with your phone texting to girls and waiting if they reply or come, or run from casa to casa in the hope that 8-9 waiting for you, you can go to SF.

Is Easter time is slow in Bogota? If yes, what period? Thanks.

Question. How good is your Spanish to talk to the SA girls? Also I do not think you have to pay for ISG to get messages.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2664649]You can't message me because I didn't have time to pay for the forum membership, but will do so sometime after I get back. But to answer your question, I'm staying at an apartment rental across the street from the Hilton Doubletree in Chapinero. Look on Airbnb and you'll find it.

They do not charge for guests unless they're staying overnight. I really like the area and am satisfied with my choice even though I've been here for only 2 days so far. Pretty much everything you need is within walking distance.

A quick recap of my 2 days: first day I was feeling some lingering stomach issues from last week. I felt better in the afternoon and called an escort who works for an agency on Mileroticos. No complaints and she gave me her personal number to call instead. I got dinner and decided to call it an early night because I didn't get much sleep the night prior.

Second day I had my first date with a girl off SA. It went great. We grabbed lunch and spent a total of 6 hours together. She asked for only 200 K while the escort from day 1 asked a little less than that for an hour. She offered a threesome with her friend and I scheduled it for Saturday because it's one of my open days. We're going to meet just the two of us in the morning and then grab drinks with her friend at night. Now your miles may vary. I feel like I kinda lucked out because she's attracted to me. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape. I'm not trying to sound like those guys who swear the stripper likes them. But there's no way she would have charged so little for 5 hours at my apartment otherwise. My bare minimum Spanish wasn't much of an issue. We communicated through translation apps for the most part..[/QUOTE]

Those who choose Bogota. Why? MDE seems like it's much more active for women, based off the forums.

I'm planning my first trip to COL now, and debating which city to choose.

Thanks in advance for your input.

I would either be staying near Chapinero (Avenida Chile Centro Mall), or Usaquen (Parque Nueva).

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2664852]Question. How good is your Spanish to talk to the SA girls? Also I do not think you have to pay for ISG to get messages.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter because I'm talking to them either through the site or WhatsApp. The hard part is getting a date. Once you two meet up, she's not going to care if you can't speak Spanish. She's already invested and still going to get any money you negotiated.

[QUOTE=BearEmy84;2664874]Those who choose Bogota. Why? MDE seems like it's much more active for women, based off the forums.

I'm planning my first trip to COL now, and debating which city to choose.

Thanks in advance for your input.

I would either be staying near Chapinero (Avenida Chile Centro Mall), or Usaquen (Parque Nueva).[/QUOTE]I never been to Colombia. I was originally looking at Cartagena because of the nice coastal weather. However, once I started checking out SA and the prepagos sites, it was clear that most of the girls were from Bogota. It makes sense seeing as though it's the most populous city by far.

[QUOTE=BearEmy84;2664874]Those who choose Bogota. Why? MDE seems like it's much more active for women, based off the forums.

I'm planning my first trip to COL now, and debating which city to choose.

Thanks in advance for your input.

I would either be staying near Chapinero (Avenida Chile Centro Mall), or Usaquen (Parque Nueva).[/QUOTE]If I was visiting Colombia with mongering as the main goal I'd definitely go to Medellin rather than Bogota. You think it would make sense that there are hotter girls in Bogota because of the population, but it's not like that at all. You can see it by comparing the amount of reports in this thread vs the Medellin thread. Hell, I'd say Medellin is among the top 5 mongering destinations worldwide for sure.

Medellin is a special city because of the narco culture. In the 90's every pretty girl's dream in that region of Colombia was to marry one rich drug dealer, one of their bodyguards or any rich person they could find. In order to do that they all wanted to get tit / ass surgeries and whatnot. And the prettiest girls from neighboring cities such as Pereira or Manizales traveled to Medellin to fulfill that dream.

Nowadays with girls charging in Tinder, with SA and with so many foreigners traveling to Medellin for mongering it's the same "culture" as in the 90's. They have just shifted narcos for gringos. But the ultimate dream is the same, get tit surgery and be so hot that maybe one gringo can take her out of Colombia.

In Bogota on the other hand, many girls do want to work by themselves, study in the university and earn honest 250-500 USD monthly in a normal job LOL. Most prostitutes / escorts working in Bogota come from other parts of the country.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2664649]Second day I had my first date with a girl off SA. It went great. We grabbed lunch and spent a total of 6 hours together. She asked for only 200 K while the escort from day 1 asked a little less than that for an hour. She offered a threesome with her friend and I scheduled it for Saturday because it's one of my open days. We're going to meet just the two of us in the morning and then grab drinks with her friend at night. Now your miles may vary. I feel like I kinda lucked out because she's attracted to me. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape. I'm not trying to sound like those guys who swear the stripper likes them. But there's no way she would have charged so little for 5 hours at my apartment otherwise. My bare minimum Spanish wasn't much of an issue. We communicated through translation apps for the most part.[/QUOTE]Of course she is not attracted to you (well maybe a little), rather she is infatuated with the idea that you get in love with her and can get her out of Colombia eventually. Many, many girls are like that here. It's no surprise considering the low wages in the local currency. If you are blonde and not look old you could even pick up girls for free, I remember there was an event called "gringo Tuesday" in a local pub where the original idea was for Colombians to meet with foreigners to practice English but after it was popular enough it was only young and hot Colombian girls that didn't speak English at all but wanting to meet the man that would take them out of here.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2664852]Question. How good is your Spanish to talk to the SA girls? Also I do not think you have to pay for ISG to get messages.[/QUOTE]Who cares about your Spanish. They spread their legs for the money. Not because you are the best fucker. They see the best fuckers like you 10 times a day, or more. Try to understand that.

[QUOTE=BearEmy84;2664874]Those who choose Bogota. Why? MDE seems like it's much more active for women, based off the forums.

I'm planning my first trip to COL now, and debating which city to choose.

Thanks in advance for your input.

I would either be staying near Chapinero (Avenida Chile Centro Mall), or Usaquen (Parque Nueva).[/QUOTE]Right now I'm in medellin but I was in bogot last month. Personally I like them both equally. I know alot of street girls from santa fe and have extensive connections for pussy there. Overall I think santa fe is slightly cheaper Than Botero but I hate the rooms being only 20 mins versus 30 mins in botero. I usually try to bring girls back to my hotel for an hour or longer session which runs about the same 70 k COP in both cities. I'm starting to build more connections in medellin too so there's plenty of options in both cities. I'd say I'd tilt slightly to medellin for the weather, the metro, the landscape, and the police don't seem to stop you and pat you down as much here as they do in bogota

[QUOTE=BearEmy84;2664874]Those who choose Bogota. Why? MDE seems like it's much more active for women, based off the forums.

I'm planning my first trip to COL now, and debating which city to choose.

Thanks in advance for your input.

I would either be staying near Chapinero (Avenida Chile Centro Mall), or Usaquen (Parque Nueva).[/QUOTE]The problem is; its your the fist trip. And you try o figure out of your dreams. Go to Bogota.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2664852]Question. How good is your Spanish to talk to the SA girls? Also I do not think you have to pay for ISG to get messages.[/QUOTE]They smell, google translator. Who cares about your Spanish? It's about the money.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2664931]I never been to Colombia. I was originally looking at Cartagena because of the nice coastal weather. However, once I started checking out SA and the prepagos sites, it was clear that most of the girls were from Bogota. It makes sense seeing as though it's the most populous city by far.[/QUOTE]You need to decide; if you want to see girls or the sea.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2664948]If I was visiting Colombia with mongering as the main goal I'd definitely go to Medellin rather than Bogota. You think it would make sense that there are hotter girls in Bogota because of the population, but it's not like that at all. You can see it by comparing the amount of reports in this thread vs the Medellin thread. Hell, I'd say Medellin is among the top 5 mongering destinations worldwide for sure.

Medellin is a special city because of the narco culture. In the 90's every pretty girl's dream in that region of Colombia was to marry one rich drug dealer, one of their bodyguards or any rich person they could find. In order to do that they all wanted to get tit / ass surgeries and whatnot. And the prettiest girls from neighboring cities such as Pereira or Manizales traveled to Medellin to fulfill that dream.

Nowadays with girls charging in Tinder, with SA and with so many foreigners traveling to Medellin for mongering it's the same "culture" as in the 90's. They have just shifted narcos for gringos. But the ultimate dream is the same, get tit surgery and be so hot that maybe one gringo can take her out of Colombia.

In Bogota on the other hand, many girls do want to work by themselves, study in the university and earn honest 250-500 USD monthly in a normal job LOL. Most prostitutes / escorts working in Bogota come from other parts of the country.[/QUOTE]Could you say anything from your experience, not from your opinion which is based on reading this wonderful forum? It is a bit different what you think and what you get. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2665023]Right now I'm in medellin but I was in bogot last month. Personally I like them both equally. I know alot of street girls from santa fe and have extensive connections for pussy there. Overall I think santa fe is slightly cheaper Than Botero but I hate the rooms being only 20 mins versus 30 mins in botero. I usually try to bring girls back to my hotel for an hour or longer session which runs about the same 70 k COP in both cities. I'm starting to build more connections in medellin too so there's plenty of options in both cities. I'd say I'd tilt slightly to medellin for the weather, the metro, the landscape, and the police don't seem to stop you and pat you down as much here as they do in bogota[/QUOTE]Please say something, more valuable than 10 $ cheaper. We need your opinion about; is it more easy to get 7-9/10 girls in Medellin compared to Bogota.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2664948] I remember there was an event called "gringo Tuesday" in a local pub where the original idea was for Colombians to meet with foreigners to practice English but after it was popular enough it was only young and hot Colombian girls that didn't speak English at all but wanting to meet the man that would take them out of here.[/QUOTE]It's still an event that takes place every Tuesday at Vintrash on Calle 85. I've been three times. It's always packed, with about 150+ people. It's meant to be a "language exchange" event, but everyone knows its just a social event, or a pick-up place where hot Colombianas come to talk to gringos. I know one guy who picked up a girl from here, took her to his hotel and lost all his money, and cards because she scopolamined him. At 8 pm it becomes a club, and dancing continues till 2 am.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2664649]Second day I had my first date with a girl off SA. It went great. We grabbed lunch and spent a total of 6 hours together. She asked for only 200 K while the escort from day 1 asked a little less than that for an hour. She offered a threesome with her friend and I scheduled it for Saturday because it's one of my open days. We're going to meet just the two of us in the morning and then grab drinks with her friend at night. Now your miles may vary. I feel like I kinda lucked out because she's attracted to me. I'm in my early 30's and in good shape. I'm not trying to sound like those guys who swear the stripper likes them. But there's no way she would have charged so little for 5 hours at my apartment otherwise.[/QUOTE]VJ,

I am in my 50's in not in good shape and had several Colombian women fall in love with me. People here really do not get how hopeless and shitty a lot of the futures are with these women. Colombians smile, suck it up, and are happy unlike anywhere else I have ever seen, but things are not good there. Colombia should be a wealthy country but they are a corrupt nation. I have also noticed the men are not that ethical and have heard story after story about infidelity. Colombians flat out cheat.

I used SA probably sooner than anyone else here did in Bogota. There were probably a half a dozen times when I met women and money was not discussed. Those were the best dates of all.

Most every guy on here will tell you, "The women just want you for your money." And the best response to that is what money? I almost lost out on my current gal who is a 10 in and out of the bedroom because I thought she was in it just for money. I thought there was no way she would be interested in me but she was, and I knew it because on our second date I gave her nothing, and she still wanted to see me.

I totally get what you mean about the stripper games, and I carried it with me to Colombia, and honestly, it got in the way. Sure, some of the SA women were stripper like but many, many of them are not. Invest your time in the ones that do not want to talk about money or at least not after the first date.

If your instincts tell you that she really likes you, she probably does.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2664948]Of course she is not attracted to you (well maybe a little), rather she is infatuated with the idea that you get in love with her and can get her out of Colombia eventually. Many, many girls are like that here. It's no surprise considering the low wages in the local currency. If you are blonde and not look old you could even pick up girls for free, I remember there was an event called "gringo Tuesday" in a local pub where the original idea was for Colombians to meet with foreigners to practice English but after it was popular enough it was only young and hot Colombian girls that didn't speak English at all but wanting to meet the man that would take them out of here.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying you're wrong. Yet, I was born in South America and do not look like a foreigner. I've always done well with South American and Caribbean women in the US and abroad.

[QUOTE=BearEmy84;2664874]Those who choose Bogota. Why? MDE seems like it's much more active for women, based off the forums.

I'm planning my first trip to COL now, and debating which city to choose.

Thanks in advance for your input.

I would either be staying near Chapinero (Avenida Chile Centro Mall), or Usaquen (Parque Nueva).[/QUOTE]I've lived in Medellin for almost 5 years now. I love Bogota. I wouldn't base my travel plans on what I see in this forum. If I listened to people in forums, I wouldn't have done 80% of the stuff that I've experienced.

I just read some knucklehead complaining about Cartagena in the forum. When I see people complaining about prices and generalizing from very limited experiences, I laugh.

Do you. You can have a great time in either city, if you are the type of person that knows how to have fun.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2665030]Please say something, more valuable than 10 $ cheaper. We need your opinion about; is it more easy to get 7-9/10 girls in Medellin compared to Bogota.[/QUOTE]If your main concern is getting with women you consider to be 7 - 9's (assuming what you consider to be a 7-9 is the same as most ppls) then I would say Medellín, specifically Parque Lleras. It may cost more but you will find more "7-9's" there than you will in Santa Fe in Bogota.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2664948]You think it would make sense that there are hotter girls in Bogota because of the population, but it's not like that at all. You can see it by comparing the amount of reports in this thread vs the Medellin thread.[/QUOTE]The amount of reports says nothing to how the girls look in either place. It simply says that more mongers go to one place than the other.

Take the Domimican Republic for instance. There are twice as many reports in the Sosua thread than in the Santo Domingo thread. Knowing both places one can not reasonably say that there are better looking women in a town with 2 traffic lights where you can walk everywhere (which Sosua is), than in the capital city of 1 million people.

The fact is that when people go on vacation they don't want to be cold and wet as they would be in Bogota versus Medellin.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2664948]Hell, I'd say Medellin is among the top 5 mongering destinations worldwide for sure.[/QUOTE]I would say that too.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2665030]Please say something, more valuable than 10 $ cheaper. We need your opinion about; is it more easy to get 7-9/10 girls in Medellin compared to Bogota.[/QUOTE]Also what you consider to be a 7-9 is entirely dependent on your opinion. For example I like dark skinned petite vennies, I'm not into silicone tits or ass or women that are super tall. What you consider a 7-9 is probably not what I consider a 7-9. That being said you should just get out and explore and see which place you prefer.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2665038]I totally get what you mean about the stripper games, and I carried it with me to Colombia, and honestly, it got in the way. Sure, some of the SA women were stripper like but many, many of them are not. Invest your time in the ones that do not want to talk about money or at least not after the first date.

If your instincts tell you that she really likes you, she probably does.[/QUOTE]Very wise words and your posts were one of the reasons I gave SA a try. I think that last sentence sums up what I was trying to say. She's on SA, so obviously she wants financial help, but I (would like to think) could tell when someone just wants money and on to the next man vs. A chica who likes you but still would want some help. I talked to over 40+ girls on SA and this one stuck out for various reasons I won't bore you with.

I'm seeing her later today and we'll go out for drinks. When I eventually return to Bogota, I'll hit her up again. She offered to introduce my friends to her friends, so I'm fine with things as is. Sometimes you want an escort that will leave in an hour and sometimes you want someone who will show you around the city.

Is she playing the long game? Maybe, but I don't mind paying for the time she spends with me (or else I wouldn't be on SA or this forum) and have no intentions of supporting a woman aboard.

[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2633630]
An increase in gringo traffic raises concerns about price increases. Some prices for higher-end girls at top-tier night clubs like Fiebre or Troya have gone up slightly since my last trip a year ago. Such girls that might have accepted 80 k before now want 100 k, although some of the less competitive night club girls might still accept 80 k. Street prices have remained more stable, with most of them still quoting typical base rates of 40 k-60 k, excluding any extras. If there has been any increase in street prices at all, it has been in surcharges for extras like BBBJ, E. G. Some want as much as 40 k-50 k extra just for a BBBJ add-on (if they are willing to do it at all, that is). Some street girls will nonetheless still accept as little as 10 k-20 k extra for BBBJ. These slight increases are nonetheless small potatoes compared to the rampant price inflation among Medellin Facebook girls, and I saw no solid proof that these slight increases had any connection to the more noticeable gringo presence. Santa Fe remains highly cost-competitive if one is OK with the "hit-it-and-quit-it" style of service and the ghetto environment.[/QUOTE]Inspired by this excellent report of BM GringoItaliano, I will soon be spending a week exclusively in SF focusing solely on SW and club girls there. I might visit Loutron (a very good recent recommendation made me curious) but will not be bothering with Tinder, SA, or any other clubs. I've done SF a couple of times previously, but not with the focus I plan on and details on negotiating are a little rusty.

Some questions- do you guys find that SF street girls quote the price with the room (pieza?) included? How is this best handled? Should you defer to her choice on a nearby room? Try to take her to a nearby Airbnb? The last time I was there I recall being skimmed by my provider for what seemed like some extras that may or may not have been passed on to the short time hotel (I gave her the money and she gave it to them). If anyone has any advice on this bit of negotiation and the etiquette involved that would be very helpful.

Alright, day 4 was the best by far. Got dinner and drinks with the girl I met off SA on day 2 and her friend. Had my first threesome and it was awesome. Spent close to 7 hours together and gave them a gift of 300 K each. Totally worth it and then some. One girl on SA tried charging me $360 (1,400 K) for a threesome with her friend. Fuck all that.

This experience alone made paying and browsing SA worth it. We already made plans to repeat the night when I'm back in Bogota later in the year. They want to see me again before I leave, but I doubt I will have the time because I have another SA date on Monday.

Hi,

I will go to Bogota in some months and stay there for longer time. My nr. 1 sex-fantasy that I want to fulfil there is a MMF and / or Gangbang. Finding the right girl for this shouldn't be a problem I think but I will go there on my own and so I need to find a guy or several guys who want to join me on this.

So is there someone here who is interested or can tell me how to make contacts to English or even German speaking expats / tourists?

Thanks.

Botti.

You are my hero and all the talking is through google translator?

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2665498]Alright, day 4 was the best by far. Got dinner and drinks with the girl I met off SA on day 2 and her friend. Had my first threesome and it was awesome. Spent close to 7 hours together and gave them a gift of 300 K each. Totally worth it and then some. One girl on SA tried charging me $360 (1,400 K) for a threesome with her friend. Fuck all that.

This experience alone made paying and browsing SA worth it. We already made plans to repeat the night when I'm back in Bogota later in the year. They want to see me again before I leave, but I doubt I will have the time because I have another SA date on Monday.[/QUOTE]

Hi friend,

Will it be possible to share some pointers for these gals? I'm planning to visit Bogota in near future. Is your PM active?

Herry Hot.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2665498]Alright, day 4 was the best by far. Got dinner and drinks with the girl I met off SA on day 2 and her friend. Had my first threesome and it was awesome. Spent close to 7 hours together and gave them a gift of 300 K each. Totally worth it and then some. One girl on SA tried charging me $360 (1,400 K) for a threesome with her friend. Fuck all that.

This experience alone made paying and browsing SA worth it. We already made plans to repeat the night when I'm back in Bogota later in the year. They want to see me again before I leave, but I doubt I will have the time because I have another SA date on Monday.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2665667]You are my hero and all the talking is through google translator?[/QUOTE]Yeah, use the conversation feature where you talk into your phone. If you have Android, the default translation app is great.

It can be a little awkward especially with the escorts, but it wasn't an issue with this SA girl and her friend because they wanted to converse.

One of the 3 SA girls I had planned canceled on day 3. She didn't reply back the day of to confirm. Said she was out of town and wanted to reschedule, but it didn't work out.

What are your thoughts on Four point Sheraton ([URL]https://www.marriott.com/hotels/maps/travel/bogfp-four-points-bogota/?maps[/URL]) . Its guest friendly (They want $15 extra for overnight) . Location wise is that close to most of the strip bars / brothels?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2665742]What are your thoughts on Four point Sheraton ([URL]https://www.marriott.com/hotels/maps/travel/bogfp-four-points-bogota/?maps[/URL]) . Its guest friendly (They want $15 extra for overnight) . Location wise is that close to most of the strip bars / brothels?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It is close (walking distance) to Loutron and relatively close (10 min uber) to the zone of massage parlors between CL 80 - CL 77.

It is a bit "far" from SF but not by that much (30 min uber).

If you plan to go several times to SF then I'd recommend Hotel Tequendama or Ibis Hotel in the KR10 since that is a 10 min uber to SF. If you don't plan to visit SF often, then that Sheraton looks fine.

Looking at SA for Bogota, there are about 1000 active girls (Girls between 18 - 40, who have logged on during the past 48 hours). I know your PM does not work, don't know if you can PM me.

I would like to start a google spreadsheet of valuable girls so others don't waste time. If you have an active SA account and would like to contribute, PM me.

The goal is to save time by finding out who are the time-wasters and scammers on SA.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2665718]Yeah, use the conversation feature where you talk into your phone. If you have Android, the default translation app is great.

It can be a little awkward especially with the escorts, but it wasn't an issue with this SA girl and her friend because they wanted to converse.

One of the 3 SA girls I had planned canceled on day 3. She didn't reply back the day of to confirm. Said she was out of town and wanted to reschedule, but it didn't work out.[/QUOTE]

Hello friends, I will be staying in chapinero next week. Is there any quick Covid test site close to carrera 13 and between calle 50 to 70 or can they come to place for testing?

Taxi from airport is still charging 50 to 60 mil?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2665750]Taxi from airport is still charging 50 to 60 mil?[/QUOTE]Try Uber. Should be 30-35.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2665748]Looking at SA for Bogota, there are about 1000 active girls (Girls between 18 - 40, who have logged on during the past 48 hours). I know your PM does not work, don't know if you can PM me.

I would like to start a google spreadsheet of valuable girls so others don't waste time. If you have an active SA account and would like to contribute, PM me.

The goal is to save time by finding out who are the time-wasters and scammers on SA.[/QUOTE]That's not going to work because the scammers can just create new accounts and most girls only stay on the site for a limited time. Your time is better spent talking to them.

[QUOTE=HerryHot;2665715]Hi friend,

Will it be possible to share some pointers for these gals? I'm planning to visit Bogota in near future. Is your PM active?

Herry Hot.[/QUOTE]No, you can't PM me, but I'll answer any questions here in the meanwhile.

Honestly, it's a numbers game like every other dating site. Some women seemed interested, liked my face pics when we moved to WhatsApp, and then stopped replying. Some were due to too much time between talking to them and arriving in Bogota. Try to move to WhatsApp after some small talk. The serious ones will give you their numbers.

This one happened to work out. I had a good feeling because she would proactively reach out to me. I gave her money, but it was almost nothing for the amount of time and because she is smitten with me. Luck played a huge party obviously that it worked out the way it did.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2665750]Hello friends, I will be staying in chapinero next week. Is there any quick Covid test site close to carrera 13 and between calle 50 to 70 or can they come to place for testing?

Taxi from airport is still charging 50 to 60 mil?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Try this place, Analizar Laboratorio Clinico Automatizado Car 14 A #101-73, did my last covid test there at 7 am, no lines, make an appt online, google it. Had results within 2 h. Saved me serious time and hassle from the Synlab airport lines.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2665748]Looking at SA for Bogota, there are about 1000 active girls (Girls between 18 - 40, who have logged on during the past 48 hours).
I would like to start a google spreadsheet of valuable girls so others don't waste time...
The goal is to save time by finding out who are the time-wasters and scammers on SA.[/QUOTE]With all due respect brother, it already sounds like you have valuable time to waste with your spreadsheet idea. You can't depend on someone else's experience to make your own. Girls in Colombia in general are flaky (whether intentional or not). Just because she was available for me doesn't mean she will be for you. Too many variables to take into account. Things like time, family situation and obligations, her travel and when you travel, safety, distance etc. Don't forget she might be on another gringo's roster at that time too. Girls on SA always and I repeat always move on to the next. These girls are not and they don't all in love. They need the dinero and you are just a means. Make your contacts, meet and greet and fuck, pay and on to the next.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2665742]What are your thoughts on Four point Sheraton ([URL]https://www.marriott.com/hotels/maps/travel/bogfp-four-points-bogota/?maps[/URL]) . Its guest friendly (They want $15 extra for overnight) . Location wise is that close to most of the strip bars / brothels?
[/QUOTE]I stayed there for 3 days at the beginning of the New Year. Free breakfast was great and the location was good as it was only couple of blocks from Parque 93. Surprise to hear the $15 fee as they didn't charge me at all, since I booked for 2 and only ordered 1 escort each day. Think the $15 is when you go over the number of guests you booked. They had no problem with checking the escorts' ID's, sending them to my room after calling, and call me after to make sure everything is OK before the girls leave. They also gave me a room with two beds, don't know why, could be I accidentally booked it on-line. But both beds were queen-size and comfortable so I used one for sleep, and the other for "exercise." Given it was a 4-star hotel for $60 per day I would recommend it.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2665750]Hello friends, I will be staying in chapinero next week. Is there any quick Covid test site close to carrera 13 and between calle 50 to 70 or can they come to place for testing?
[/QUOTE]This place is about 30 minutes from you. I used it as it was recommended by my apartment's staff.

Diagnostik Lab Clinic SAS: Cra. 56 #5 see-38 Piso 3, Bogota.

I took my test a couple hours ago, but I should receive the results later today. They open at 7 AM, I arrived at 8 AM and there was only one person in front of me. I was in and out 15-20 minutes.

[QUOTE=OJeito;2663684]I highly recommend it too![/QUOTE]Hi. I've read you know Brazil as well. Beetween Brasil and Colombia, wich do you recommend? Im European, I speak fluently Portuguese, and almoust perfect Spanish.

Colombia seems to be more dolarized, and expensive.

I'm heading back to Colombia in May and I will be spending a few days in Bogotá. I've read about 20 pages of reviews and comments; I know anything about Santa Fé until today and as luck would have it, I will be staying in La Candelaria which isn't far away. I'm definitely keen to walk the circuit and try the clubs; if there happens to be any forum members around during the period I am in Bogotá, especially any who are familiar with Santa Fé, give me a shout for a night out.

JW.

Thanks. Is Loutron still charging 800 K for an hour?

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2665746]It is close (walking distance) to Loutron and relatively close (10 min uber) to the zone of massage parlors between CL 80 - CL 77.

It is a bit "far" from SF but not by that much (30 min uber).

If you plan to go several times to SF then I'd recommend Hotel Tequendama or Ibis Hotel in the KR10 since that is a 10 min uber to SF. If you don't plan to visit SF often, then that Sheraton looks fine.[/QUOTE]

Could anyone recommend short stay motel right in the playground area? And any info about price? Or maybe someone has a workflow to rent something short stay at SF and not to bring girls to hotel. Thanks.

Hey guys,

Bogota is popping my solo trip cherry starting March 14-17. Still exploring places to stay but I'm thinking a hotel in the Tuquendama suites / hotel. Any updates advice for a first time solo traveler? If you're in the area and want a wingman, I'd be happy to accompany you.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2666160]Could anyone recommend short stay motel right in the playground area? And any info about price? Or maybe someone has a workflow to rent something short stay at SF and not to bring girls to hotel. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are several. I think it is 30-40 mil for several hours. I cannot recommend one because I have not done that but some are nicer then others-.

I do know that there is one where I know guys have stayed is Santa Fe Suites. See photo.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2665947]This place is about 30 minutes from you. I used it as it was recommended by my apartment's staff.

Diagnostik Lab Clinic SAS: Cra. 56 #5 see-38 Piso 3, Bogota.

I took my test a couple hours ago, but I should receive the results later today. They open at 7 AM, I arrived at 8 AM and there was only one person in front of me. I was in and out 15-20 minutes.[/QUOTE]I take back this recommendation. They almost made me miss my flight because they didn't send the results until I called them this morning.

Anyway, I'm back from Bogota and will write a full report soon. My last day there was the best one yet. I met another SA girl in the afternoon and then had another threesome with those girls from day 4 at night. Woke up tired as hell, but I'm planning a weekend trip in April to meet up with all 3 of them again.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2666112]Thanks. Is Loutron still charging 800 K for an hour?[/QUOTE]I was there yesterday at 6 PM and paid 370 k for 1 hour + 20 k for a bottle of water + 20 k in tips (hostess and cleaning lady).

Total 410 k.

I asked the hostess and she told me some girls speak English. Maybe you could find your girlfriend there (it will be very expensive though).

If you go to Loutron to drink with the girls then expect to pay more than 1 million pesos.

On Sat, I went to:

Pussy House (Calle 61 #13-64.). Very nice inside, and roomy. Music very loud. Some girl or the other is pole dancing in the middle, and as soon as a customer walks in, a waiter escorts them to a table. A beer was just 6 K (about $1.50 US). I saw two girls siting with guys, and another 2 sitting together at one end of the room. The format seemed really rigid and forced. I had hoped that guys could approach girls and have a chat, and maybe go and fuck, but if I hadn't read this forum, I would think that this was simply a strip club and nothing more. I would have happily fucked a couple of the girls there, if only I knew what the etiquette was.

Question: I feel totally dumb asking this, but what's the best way to ask a girl for sex there? What is the proper etiquette?

So, after an hour, I left and went to:

Las Divas (Calle 61 # 13-81) almost opposite Pussy House. This is a small basic room with a bar, loud music and a pole. A girl was doing a strip dance, and there were chairs against the walls, and about 8 girls in total and 5 guys. I actually like this format, as some of the girls were smiling and winking. Indicating that they want action. There was a hot one next to me, and after an hour of sitting in Pussy House, I wasn't going to wait around here. I used my phone to ask how much for sex. It was 80 K for half an hour. I paid at the bar, where the buy literally filled in a couple of forms and handled the cash. I was taken by the girl to the building next door. The 'room' was more like a closet literally only wide enough for a single 'bed' against a wall, and about 1 foot of space on the other side. No windows, of course, and no fan, so it became very hot and uncomfortable in there. The girl though was awesome gorgeous and with an amazing attitude. I actually stopped banging her after 20 minutes (was covered in sweat), but rather than getting dressed, she sat there and stroked my body until the 30 minutes were up and was just very lovely all around.

Lewinski Bar (Calle 57 #9-35.) This is now called 'Rodellors ' or something like that. There's a guy standing outside, handing out little leaflets promoting the place, so you won't miss it. A bar with loud music, and about 6-8 girls, and 6 guys (on a Saturday night at 8 pm not sure how these guys make any money). Anyway, nice set up with little sofas etc and a dancing pole, but none of the girls were dancing. They all looked disinterested, and were happily staring at their phones. One girl sat next to me and tried to get me into a room, but I wouldn't have banged her for free. None of the other girls were attractive either. And so after half an hour I left. The prices are listed on a wall 50 K for 30 minutes, and 100 K for 1 hour.

Are the girls good as the [URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] girls for the price.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2666548]I was there yesterday at 6 PM and paid 370 k for 1 hour + 20 k for a bottle of water + 20 k in tips (hostess and cleaning lady).

Total 410 k.

I asked the hostess and she told me some girls speak English. Maybe you could find your girlfriend there (it will be very expensive though).

If you go to Loutron to drink with the girls then expect to pay more than 1 million pesos.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2666584]Question: I feel totally dumb asking this, but what's the best way to ask a girl for sex there? What is the proper etiquette?.[/QUOTE]It's the same as in SF; you approach the girl, ask her name and ask how much for half an hour? After that you ask if the price includes the room and it will be 100% clear this is sex and not some kind of dance show. In Spanish I always say "a cuanto el rato amor", rato means something like "a while" and it means like 20 minutes. I always start with this because it's the cheapest and you get to fuck and know the girl naked. If the girl smells bad or has scarfs or something I don't like in the room then that is it. If the girl is good then I ask her if she would go to a motel and ask her phone number.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2666598]Are the girls good as the [URL]https://lacelestina.co/[/URL] girls for the price.[/QUOTE]Many Loutron girls also work in la celestina. I'd say you end up paying more in Loutron but you get to see / pick the girls live, in lacelestina or any other prepago website it's a hit or miss as I've already said in this thread.

If Loutron seems too expensive, then for 310 k you find many 8-9 girls in Cra. 16 #80-66 Absolut Spa. If 310 k seems still expensive, you can find 8-9 girls in SF but you need to work harder to find them and make a deal in a motel. I'd say a bit difficult if you don't speak Spanish and go alone. I think absolut spa is the best overall value in price / looks / easiness for English speakers. I go often to Loutron because I found a girl there that seems to like me and the service with her is great and because of scheduling reasons we haven't been able to meet in a motel yet.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2666584]On Sat, I went to:
... I would have happily fucked a couple of the girls there, if only I knew what the etiquette was.

Question: I feel totally dumb asking this, but what's the best way to ask a girl for sex there? What is the proper etiquette?..[/QUOTE]My usual approach is to start talking to them, introduce myself, small talk, start feeling them up and grinding on her, if the response is good I will ask about un rato.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2666824]Many Loutron girls also work in la celestina. I'd say you end up paying more in Loutron but you get to see / pick the girls live, in lacelestina or any other prepago website it's a hit or miss as I've already said in this thread.

If Loutron seems too expensive, then for 310 k you find many 8-9 girls in Cra. 16 #80-66 Absolut Spa. If 310 k seems still expensive, you can find 8-9 girls in SF but you need to work harder to find them and make a deal in a motel. I'd say a bit difficult if you don't speak Spanish and go alone. I think absolut spa is the best overall value in price / looks / easiness for English speakers. I go often to Loutron because I found a girl there that seems to like me and the service with her is great and because of scheduling reasons we haven't been able to meet in a motel yet.[/QUOTE]La Celestina seems to have a physical location off calle 62. Has anyone been here? Are showers available?

Same question for Absolut Spa. Are showers available there?

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2666824]It's the same as in SF; you approach the girl, ask her name and ask how much for half an hour? After that you ask if the price includes the room and it will be 100% clear this is sex and not some kind of dance show. In Spanish I always say "a cuanto el rato amor", rato means something like "a while" and it means like 20 minutes. I always start with this because it's the cheapest and you get to fuck and know the girl naked. If the girl smells bad or has scarfs or something I don't like in the room then that is it. If the girl is good then I ask her if she would go to a motel and ask her phone number.

Many Loutron girls also work in la celestina. I'd say you end up paying more in Loutron but you get to see / pick the girls live, in lacelestina or any other prepago website it's a hit or miss as I've already said in this thread.

If Loutron seems too expensive, then for 310 k you find many 8-9 girls in Cra. 16 #80-66 Absolut Spa. If 310 k seems still expensive, you can find 8-9 girls in SF but you need to work harder to find them and make a deal in a motel. I'd say a bit difficult if you don't speak Spanish and go alone. I think absolut spa is the best overall value in price / looks / easiness for English speakers. I go often to Loutron because I found a girl there that seems to like me and the service with her is great and because of scheduling reasons we haven't been able to meet in a motel yet.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I will stick to Loutron, it's only a walking distance from where I am staying (Four-point Sheraton).

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2666824]It's the same as in SF; you approach the girl, ask her name and ask how much for half an hour? After that you ask if the price includes the room and it will be 100% clear this is sex and not some kind of dance show. In Spanish I always say "a cuanto el rato amor", rato means something like "a while" and it means like 20 minutes. I always start with this because it's the cheapest and you get to fuck and know the girl naked. If the girl smells bad or has scarfs or something I don't like in the room then that is it. If the girl is good then I ask her if she would go to a motel and ask her phone number.
[/QUOTE]"Cuanto es por un rato, amor".

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2666584]On Sat, I went to:

Pussy House (Calle 61 #13-64.). Very nice inside, and roomy. Music very loud. Some girl or the other is pole dancing in the middle, and as soon as a customer walks in, a waiter escorts them to a table. A beer was just 6 K (about $1.50 US). I saw two girls siting with guys, and another 2 sitting together at one end of the room. The format seemed really rigid and forced. I had hoped that guys could approach girls and have a chat, and maybe go and fuck, but if I hadn't read this forum, I would think that this was simply a strip club and nothing more. I would have happily fucked a couple of the girls there, if only I knew what the etiquette was.

Question: I feel totally dumb asking this, but what's the best way to ask a girl for sex there? What is the proper etiquette?

So, after an hour, I left and went to:

Las Divas (Calle 61 # 13-81) almost opposite Pussy House. This is a small basic room with a bar, loud music and a pole. A girl was doing a strip dance, and there were chairs against the walls, and about 8 girls in total and 5 guys. I actually like this format, as some of the girls were smiling and winking. Indicating that they want action. There was a hot one next to me, and after an hour of sitting in Pussy House, I wasn't going to wait around here. I used my phone to ask how much for sex. It was 80 K for half an hour. I paid at the bar, where the buy literally filled in a couple of forms and handled the cash. I was taken by the girl to the building next door..[/QUOTE]Take it easy and type how mush for 30 min in google translator. Or you can ask a barman about prices first and than say 'hola mi amor' and type on your phone. No worries, they'll understand you and you goals.

I submitted a report yesterday that should be important for people in Bogota. And today I'm coming here wanting to see replies and I don't find even my report. Did the Admin delete it? If so would he be so kind as to inform me why?

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[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2667146]I submitted a report yesterday that should be important for people in Bogota. And today I'm coming here wanting to see replies and I don't find even my report. Did the Admin delete it? If so would he be so kind as to inform me why?[/QUOTE]Because you can not talk about fucking dudes on this website.

"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with [B]WOMEN[/B]. "

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2667146]I submitted a report yesterday that should be important for people in Bogota. And today I'm coming here wanting to see replies and I don't find even my report. Did the Admin delete it? If so would he be so kind as to inform me why?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667187]Because you can not talk about fucking dudes on this website.

"The purpose of this Forum is to facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with [B]WOMEN[/B]. "[/QUOTE]Perfect response.

The Afroman from Colt 45:

"I met this lady in Hollywood.

She had green hair but damn she looked good.

I took her to my house because she was fine.

But she whooped out a dick that was bigger than mine.

Said colt 45 and two zigzags baby that's all we need.

We can go to the park, after dark.

Smoke that tumbleweed.

As the marijuana burn we can take our turn.

Singin' them dirty rap songs".

Oh what a day, war in the Ukraine and Lady-boys in Bogota, hehehe.

SAV.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2667146]I submitted a report yesterday that should be important for people in Bogota. And today I'm coming here wanting to see replies and I don't find even my report. Did the Admin delete it? If so would he be so kind as to inform me why?[/QUOTE]I saw some of the replies (and posted one too) before they also got deleted. They were not good and I'll just leave it at that.

And I would have to hard disagree with it being "important for people in Bogota". It added no value for 99.99% of us and would only be a needless distraction. I think the admins did right here.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2667209]I saw some of the replies (and posted one too) before they also got deleted. They were not good and I'll just leave it at that.

And I would have to hard disagree with it being "important for people in Bogota". It added no value for 99.99% of us and would only be a needless distraction. I think the admins did right here.[/QUOTE]Ok, then I just leave it at one thing, beware of a certain Cristina (without h after the C) that doesn't appear of the wrong kind at all until you really check. I think that is relevant. Because it was not my intention to go that way. I don't care if people make fun of me now, whatever. Until it happens to you, you can make fun of it. The reason I reported is to make people aware.

[URL]https://amapolas.net/acompanantes-en-bogota/[/URL] and [URL]https://lasincreibles.com/[/URL] : Best looking girls, but is this too good to be true?

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2667234]Ok, then I just leave it at one thing, beware of a certain Cristina (without h after the C) that doesn't appear of the wrong kind at all until you really check. I think that is relevant. Because it was not my intention to go that way. I don't care if people make fun of me now, whatever. Until it happens to you, you can make fun of it. The reason I reported is to make people aware.[/QUOTE]I didn't make fun of you, I was surprised at how out of place your post was. If I remember correctly, you had at least one or two warning signs and ignored them.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2667235][URL]https://amapolas.net/acompanantes-en-bogota/[/URL] and [URL]https://lasincreibles.com/[/URL] : Best looking girls, but is this too good to be true?[/QUOTE]Looks like this is a scam site, google is your friend.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2667235][URL]https://amapolas.net/acompanantes-en-bogota/[/URL] and [URL]https://lasincreibles.com/[/URL] : Best looking girls, but is this too good to be true?[/QUOTE]Probably not because those escorts are very expensive. You will find a dime if you're willing to pay a premium.

On the other hand, I've found amazing looking escorts for less on other sites. The only problem is that many may not be available when you are. Some of the best looking ones I wanted to see were not around during my free days. I think it would be less of a problem with the expensive ones though because of less demand.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2667253]Probably not because those escorts are very expensive. You will find a dime if you're willing to pay a premium.

On the other hand, I've found amazing looking escorts for less on other sites. The only problem is that many may not be available when you are. Some of the best looking ones I wanted to see were not around during my free days. I think it would be less of a problem with the expensive ones though because of less demand.[/QUOTE]Can you share other sites you used?

Eagerly waiting for you trip report.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2667234]Ok, then I just leave it at one thing, beware of a certain Cristina (without h after the C) that doesn't appear of the wrong kind at all until you really check. I think that is relevant. Because it was not my intention to go that way. I don't care if people make fun of me now, whatever. Until it happens to you, you can make fun of it. The reason I reported is to make people aware.[/QUOTE]You made people aware that you wanted to do that. Anyone that goes from kissing a "chick" to her saying only put it in my ass and them doing it when they have seen no parts of the pussy, was not looking to fuck a chick.

First, I want to thanks the guys that recommended SA. The two girls I met off there were far and above the best experiences I had in Bogota. It is hard work to find these girls and them chat them up well enough that they end up meeting.

The first SA girl I hooked with on day 2 (let's call her Emily). She then invited her friend for a threesome on day 4 and we repeated on day 6. I paid them about 1.1 million pesos in total (excluding food and drinks) for 3 half-days.

The second SA girl (let's call her Jenna) I was supposed to meet on day 1, but she had to travel and we couldn't meet until my last day. I actually liked her the most of all. She is a lawyer and we had the most in common. She spoke a little English, so we communicated mostly through translation apps like I did with all the girls. We agreed that the conversation flowed nicely despite this.

The funny thing is she was blown away by how SA worked for guys. Women with normal accounts could not browse the men unless those men were diamond members (which is above premium and costs like $250/ month) and instead had to wait until they were messaged. She scrolled through a bunch of pages (she didn't want to give my phone back LOL) and lamented how there were so many beautiful women. "Wow, guys have it great on the site?" she asked. Not really, I told her.

I believed her when she said this was her first time meeting someone on SA (for various reasons). She was nervous when we started to get physical, but got into it really quick. I wish we could have met again during my trip. The entire date was only supposed to last about 5 hours, but ended up being 6. We had agreed to 600 K cash + a gift of under 100 K + taxi before meeting. I made this deal before talking to Emily, yet I still consider it fully worth it.

I called up a couple escorts on my open days, but in comparison, there's not much to write about. Rates were between 180-200 K an hour including taxi.

So, full report:

Day 1: I was feeling some lingering stomach issues that preceded my trip and spent half the day resting. I called up a few escorts I had my eyes on and hooked up with the first to respond. Spent 2 hours for about 400 K including the taxi. It started to rain when it was time to leave, so it took 30 minutes to finally get a taxi. We waited in the cafe next door to my place and talked for a bit. She ended up giving me her personal number, as the number I called her through was part of an agency.

Day 2: Met with the first SA girl for lunch (Emily). We went back to my apartment and talked for a bit. Had sex, watched some Netflix as I recovered, and had sex again. The entire experience was about 6 hours. Before we went to my bedroom, she asked what our agreement would be. I took a gamble and asked her what she wanted instead of making an offer. It worked and she only asked for 200 K. I would have paid way more.

Day 3: I hung out around the area and called up another escort later in the night. It wasn't any of the ones I had planned, but she was available at the time and looked good. Unfortunately, I was having trouble scheduling the ones I really wanted probably because they were the hottest ones on Photoprepagos and Mileroticos. It was 200 K for an hour and included taxi.

Day 4: I had arranged my first-ever threesome with Emily from SA and her friend on day 2. Met with Emily around 5. I was tempted to have sex, but kinda wanted to make sure I had energy for the threesome, so we hung out a bit and bought beer for later. At 8, we go on our trio date at a restaurant literally down the street from me. We eat and go to a nearby bar for drinks. I made sure to drink 3 pints of dark Colombian beer (it helps lasting in bed). Ended up back at my apartment by 1 and had a great time until 3. Gave them 300 K each.

Day 5: my worst day. I was a bit hungover, but not much. Had a late breakfast and was still riding high off the threesome. In the afternoon, I arranged for one of the escorts I found before I arrived. We agreed for 8 and she asked me to send an Uber. At 7, I text her to confirm the Uber at 7:30. No reply. I start texting other escorts, but it gets harder the later is it, especially since it's a Sunday. At around 10, she texts me back with some sob story about having to go shopping for her mom. I gave her a second chance (only because she was hotter than the other available ones) and told her to be here by 11:30. She agrees, but at 11, she asks the send the Uber at midnight because she's eating. No third chances, so I cancel. To make up for my wasted day, I did what anyone else would do: I texted Emily and told her I wanted another threesome the next day. I went to bed happily knowing I would have 3 girls for my last day. I also woke up to texts from the escort asking me why I canceled.

Day 6: I had my date with Jenna (other girl off SA) at 1 pm. You can read above for full details with her. She left at 7 and I saw Emily and her friend at 8. They left at 3 am and I paid them the same 300 K each plus 50 K for all the taxis they took. I woke up 3 hours later and left for the airport. Totally worth it.

Lastly, I am going back in early April for a long weekend. I'll spend two days with the Emily and her friend, then one day with Jenna. I've been texting with them since I left and they're all looking forward to it. I probably want to see Jenna a third time in the summer, but I'll see how things go in April.

I'm going to try to get a forum membership within the week, so hopefully you guys can PM me soon with any questions. I know I'm going to have to send PMs thanking a few guys.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2667272]Can you share other sites you used?

Eagerly waiting for you trip report.[/QUOTE]Mainly I used Photoprepagos and Co. Mileroticos. It's where I got my escorts from. You can find a lot of dimes for under 200 K an hour (includes taxi).

Photoprepagos has the the best search function. But if you Google the term "prepagos", you'll find more sites like them.

Co. Skokka also has some dimes, but most wanted me to send them money for the cab. Hell no. The legit ones will pay themselves and get reimbursed. I also have no problem paying for an Uber, but never give them money upfront.

I should have texted more women on my slow days, but I was just really picky and wanted certain ones. I don't recommend doing that LOL. If they don't respond promptly, just keep texting new women. Try to schedule it as soon as you can. If she responds, that means she's available now, so tell her to come over in an hour. If you read my report below, I wasted too much time on day 5 and it was the only day I didn't get laid. But I was also doing other things in the city, so I was busy too.

So glad I finally found the perfect (for me) airbnb overlooking Santa Fe. Most guys would be terrified to stay here. It is ghetto on the outside and in the hallway, but the apartment is new in the inside.

In the rules it says that nobody is allowed inside whose ID has not been sent to the owner, but I will see how that works out when a non-pro gets here in a little while. There is a guard downstairs though that has to register everyone in the building log.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667418]So glad I finally found the perfect (for me) airbnb overlooking Santa Fe. Most guys would be terrified to stay here. It is ghetto on the outside and in the hallway, but the apartment is new in the inside.

In the rules it says that nobody is allowed inside whose ID has not been sent to the owner, but I will see how that works out when a non-pro gets here in a little while. There is a guard downstairs though that has to register everyone in the building log.[/QUOTE]Offer the guard a small sum if he OK's gives you grief. Thats what I did in Cartagena years ago, and they couldn't send them up fast enough.

[QUOTE=DarrenGap;2667435]Offer the guard a small sum if he OK's gives you grief. Thats what I did in Cartagena years ago, and they couldn't send them up fast enough.[/QUOTE]He didn't even ask to see the ID. He only asked her name and the ID number.

So we have around 10 Emilys on SA, will PM you once you get your membership.

1.1 million pesos in total (excluding food and drinks) for 3 half-days, that's 1/10 to 1/15 of what it will cost me where I live.


[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2667328]First, I want to thanks the guys that recommended SA. The two girls I met off there were far and above the best experiences I had in Bogota. It is hard work to find these girls and them chat them up well enough that they end up meeting.

The first SA girl I hooked with on day 2 (let's call her Emily). She then invited her friend for a threesome on day 4 and we repeated on day 6. I paid them about 1.1 million pesos in total (excluding food and drinks) for 3 half-days.

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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667418]So glad I finally found the perfect (for me) airbnb overlooking Santa Fe. Most guys would be terrified to stay here. It is ghetto on the outside and in the hallway, but the apartment is new in the inside.

In the rules it says that nobody is allowed inside whose ID has not been sent to the owner, but I will see how that works out when a non-pro gets here in a little while. There is a guard downstairs though that has to register everyone in the building log.[/QUOTE]I didn't notice these kind of anti-puta rules before in the Airbnbs around Santa Fe a few years ago, but they're more and more common now. I had major issues with my Airbnb this time around and ended booking two places. One for day time and one for night time because the night time one won't let in any guests during the day.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2667490]So we have around 10 Emilys on SA, will PM you once you get your membership.

1.1 million pesos in total (excluding food and drinks) for 3 half-days, that's 1/10 to 1/15 of what it will cost me where I live.[/QUOTE]Never heard of SA before. How do you approach the girl in SA? Do you send them the offer? Why do those girls in SA look like asking for $1000 dollars to me?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667418]So glad I finally found the perfect (for me) airbnb overlooking Santa Fe. Most guys would be terrified to stay here. It is ghetto on the outside and in the hallway, but the apartment is new in the inside.

In the rules it says that nobody is allowed inside whose ID has not been sent to the owner, but I will see how that works out when a non-pro gets here in a little while. There is a guard downstairs though that has to register everyone in the building log.[/QUOTE]Nice, I know a few guys who have stayed at that building outside the busway. There is another building right around the corner on 26 that has some nice apartments.

Also a block north at the Art Museo Torres -- those are really nice.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667418]So glad I finally found the perfect (for me) airbnb overlooking Santa Fe. Most guys would be terrified to stay here. It is ghetto on the outside and in the hallway, but the apartment is new in the inside.

In the rules it says that nobody is allowed inside whose ID has not been sent to the owner, but I will see how that works out when a non-pro gets here in a little while. There is a guard downstairs though that has to register everyone in the building log.[/QUOTE]I know exactly where that is. I stayed in a studio in that building for $18 USD a night. Modern interior. Moto spot next door. Get buzzed into building by staff. About a 5 minute or so walk to Santa Fe. Very convenient. I have similar pictures.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2667490]So we have around 10 Emilys on SA, will PM you once you get your membership.

1.1 million pesos in total (excluding food and drinks) for 3 half-days, that's 1/10 to 1/15 of what it will cost me where I live.[/QUOTE]Those aren't their names on SA. I forgot what they used because we moved to WhatsApp weeks ago.

SA doesn't work like the escort sites where you can just pick which one you want and arrange a meeting. I probably messaged over 50+ girls during my month membership and only ended up meeting two in the end. I had more that wanted to meet, but our schedules did not align. Many others just flaked out because I was talking to them weeks before I arrive. The sooner you can meet, the better your chances. A lot of the girls won't even be active while you have an active membership. Some try it out for a while then stop and many others take a break from the site.

Also, don't expect those prices for how much time she spent with me. I will be the first to admit I fucking lucked out big time. Her and her friend were probably more into me by the end than I was into them. I picked up some of their conversations between themselves and I realized they were talking about me ever so often. Still didn't understand most of it. One time they had an exchange between each other, then the other chica asked me the same question through the translation app: "how don't you have a girlfriend back home? You would have a wife and kids if you lived here. " Of course, I don't want a wife or even a girlfriend at the moment.

During our last meeting, they said they were saying they loved me and they were my Colombian girlfriends. "Sure," I said. They can call themselves whatever they want, I don't give a shit, but I know they'll be back on SA. They said I was the first they met on the site, but I don't believe them either.

The other SA girl said the same thing and I'm more inclined to believe her because she was on the site for less time than me (one of the reasons I messaged her), had normal life obligations that made it tricky to meet, and acted differently than the other girls. Still, I know she'll be back on the site too. It's not like I think any of these girls are exclusive to me and I'm sure as hell not exclusive to them.

But the experiences were much better than a normal escort. There was no clock watching, they had times in which they had to go, but we went over them pretty much every time. You got to work for it though.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2665742]What are your thoughts on Four point Sheraton ([URL]https://www.marriott.com/hotels/maps/travel/bogfp-four-points-bogota/?maps[/URL]) . Its guest friendly (They want $15 extra for overnight) . Location wise is that close to most of the strip bars / brothels?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Is this hotel in Chapinero? If I tell a girl I am staying at a hotel in chapinero, is that correct?

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2667716]Is this hotel in Chapinero? If I tell a girl I am staying at a hotel in chapinero, is that correct?[/QUOTE]Tell them Parque 93.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2667648]The other SA girl said the same thing and I'm more inclined to believe her because she was on the site for less time than me (one of the reasons I messaged her), had normal life obligations that made it tricky to meet, and acted differently than the other girls. Still, I know she'll be back on the site too. It's not like I think any of these girls are exclusive to me and I'm sure as hell not exclusive to them.[/QUOTE]Your experience on SA sounds just like my experience with Cupid, except there is no understanding of money changing hands. After 17 years on that site I could write a book about it. You have definitely summarized it though. Chicks come and they go and some come back, and some stick around through it all.

When I was in Barranquilla in November one of my nurse chicks stayed with me one night. After she left for work she sent me a message saying something about I did not give her money. I am like what the fuck are you talking about. I have never given you money. She was like that is okay. You can just send it to my bank account. I stopped talking to her. She would call and send me messages everyday and I would not answer.

Last week somebody sent me a message in whatsapp from a number I did not have. My damn Samsung updated so it dropped a lot of the contacts (they have since fixed and restored it). Well it ended up being her. She wanted to know what happened. I said I am sorry. I do not have money for you. She apologized profusely and said she would never ask for money again.

A couple of weeks ago an old flame spoke to me on Cupid. I do not understand why chicks that already have my number would talk to me on that site. I told her my phone number has not changed in over 20 years, why did you not just talk in whatsapp?

I must have originally met her on Cupid 15 years ago. She is Colombian but was living in Venezuela at the time, but has been living in Panama for the longest now. We tried to rekindle a couple of times but I always end up telling her about her selfish attitude. And now at 48 she does not seem to realize she has passed her marry by date. I have seen dudes with her come and go and she goes back to the site. The last time I talked to her was like September and she was saying how I never did anything for her, but this one guy has helped her through the pandemic and with god's help (always playing Miss Religious) she is giving him a shot to try to be her husband. I was laughing my ass off in the inside.

So when she hit me on Cupid 2 weeks ago I said what are you doing on here. You told me you were getting married. She said it did not pan out with the guy and that he did not live in Panama. I wonder if they ever even met or he just met her online and was sending money. I explained to her that she can not keep a man because she is so damn selfish. Everything is me, me, me and guys get tired of that shit. That is a pic of us on the beach in Venezuela way back when. She has since had to get those fake tits taken out due to health reasons.

And then there are the chicks that I met on the site and am still fucking that go back and see me on the site and ask what I am doing on the site. Bich I am on here seeing what the fuck you are doing on here!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667753]And then there are the chicks that I met on the site and am still fucking that go back and see me on the site and ask what I am doing on the site. Bich I am on here seeing what the fuck you are doing on here![/QUOTE]You know, after weeks of browsing SA and getting into so many conversations that either led nowhere or they took too long to reply because they used the site so infrequently, I was a little burnt out and happy that I was finally in Colombia so I didn't need it to use it anymore. However, that may change in the future. I'll do things a little different next time, but I found the quality to be top notch there. Some people may think we're wasting our time on dating sites. It's just another avenue to get women. It won't be for everyone because you have to game them like you do with a woman you meet back home. Still I found it fun and if you do meet them, they are all over you.

Now others will say I'm still giving them money in the end, so why bother? You're always spending money to get ass in one way or another. But from my report, you can read that they got very little for the total time together. Their attitudes were vastly different than the escorts I saw and made for a much more memorable time. I'm going back for 4 days in April just to see these girls, no one else.

Hi everyone,

Been ages since I was in South America and up for company. I am in Bogota for the 1st time for a few days and staying at a hotel that is not guest friendly.

Wondering what my best option for a brothel nearby. I am not so adventurous and willing to pay a premium for upscale experiences. I speak only a bit of Spanish so Inglés friendly is a plus.

What are the best high end brothel / clubs in town that are actually open these days? Bonus points for closeness to Zona T / Chico / Chapinero. Even a high end spa with HJ opportunities would be good for me.

Sorry for the last minute outreach. This trip came together very fast.

Tobey.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2667788]You know, after weeks of browsing SA and getting into so many conversations that either led nowhere or they took too long to reply because they used the site so infrequently, I was a little burnt out and happy that I was finally in Colombia so I didn't need it to use it anymore. However, that may change in the future. I'll do things a little different next time, but I found the quality to be top notch there. Some people may think we're wasting our time on dating sites. It's just another avenue to get women. It won't be for everyone because you have to game them like you do with a woman you meet back home. Still I found it fun and if you do meet them, they are all over you.

Now others will say I'm still giving them money in the end, so why bother? You're always spending money to get ass in one way or another. But from my report, you can read that they got very little for the total time together. Their attitudes were vastly different than the escorts I saw and made for a much more memorable time. I'm going back for 4 days in April just to see these girls, no one else.[/QUOTE]I am just collecting their WhatsApp contact at this point. I reckon they are on the WA more often than not. That way, I can just text them to tell them to get ready to meet on WA before I get there. Not sure if this approach will work any better, but I would find out soon enough.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2667817]I am just collecting their WhatsApp contact at this point. I reckon they are on the WA more often than not. That way, I can just text them to tell them to get ready to meet on WA before I get there. Not sure if this approach will work any better, but I would find out soon enough.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would try to move to WhatsApp as soon as you can. The serious ones will give you their number. I would also recommend you send some texts to keep them engaged until you get there and arrange a definitive day you will meet. Then confirm that date when you're about to arrive in Bogota.

I am like you (Never been to Bogota, but going in a month and am willing to pay a premium for upscale experiences. ) and with all the research I have done on this group here is the list I have come up with for clubs / spas to find girls who are better looking.

Since I have never been to Bogota I will let the experienced mongers comment on these.

Flirt Hotel: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/FlirtHotelBogota/[/URL].

Paisas [URL]https://www.facebook.com/paisascluboficial/[/URL].

Loutron [URL]https://www.facebook.com/loutronbogota[/URL].

Fiebre [URL]https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/583407471/colombia/bogota-colombia/fiebre-club/[/URL].

Angelos VIP: [URL]https://angelos.com.co/[/URL].

Lido: Do they have a web site? Address? This suppose to be the most high end club with girls asking 500 K.

Absolut Spa [URL]https://www.absolutspa.com.co/instalaciones/[/URL].

[QUOTE=JumpOver;2667814]Hi everyone,

Been ages since I was in South America and up for company. I am in Bogota for the 1st time for a few days and staying at a hotel that is not guest friendly.

Wondering what my best option for a brothel nearby. I am not so adventurous and willing to pay a premium for upscale experiences. I speak only a bit of Spanish so Ingls friendly is a plus.

What are the best high end brothel / clubs in town that are actually open these days? Bonus points for closeness to Zona T / Chico / Chapinero. Even a high end spa with HJ opportunities would be good for me.

Sorry for the last minute outreach. This trip came together very fast.

Tobey.[/QUOTE]

Hey Mtljay,

Thanks for this. Was already wondering about Absolute since it is close by. Being basically chicken shit when I don't know the ciudad and I am rolling solo, I will probably do a day drop in there.

There were a couple of spots next to each other on Calle 86 a that I had heard about but now I can't find the post I had read up on. Will be near there for dinner tonight. Who knows. Might get up a head of steam.

Really appreciate the details.

Tobey.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2668075]I am like you (Never been to Bogota, but going in a month and am willing to pay a premium for upscale experiences. ) and with all the research I have done on this group here is the list I have come up with for clubs / spas to find girls who are better looking.

Since I have never been to Bogota I will let the experienced mongers comment on these.

Flirt Hotel: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/FlirtHotelBogota/[/URL].

Paisas [URL]https://www.facebook.com/paisascluboficial/[/URL].

Loutron [URL]https://www.facebook.com/loutronbogota[/URL].

Fiebre [URL]https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/583407471/colombia/bogota-colombia/fiebre-club/[/URL]..[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen,

I will be visiting Bogota once again here in a couple weeks. I will be on ground for about a week. My trip last year was unceremoniously cut short due to the mayor of Bogota deciding to lock down the city on short notice. It was not a pleasant experience.

In any case, I am quite experienced with the Bogota scene and have had a lot of time to consolidate my thoughts to compare it to Brazil. I shall elaborate. I am a fan of nice things. I will happily pay a premium for convenience if it means my time can be spent that much better. In Brazil, there is a clear delineation between upscale and the opposite thereof in terms of the quality of women. In Rio and Sao Paulo alike, the quality of the girl you will find is largely correlated with the quality of the venue. Of course, it goes without saying that you can find a diamond in the rough in some of the rougher establishments if you put in the work. I MUST give the caveat that I have a specific type of Brazilian girl that I like (brancas with big bundas, the porn star type) so you have to know where to go to find them. Different strokes for different folks.

This is NOT how it works in Colombia.

As members of this board have said time and time again, the quality difference between girls in the dirt pit that is SF and those working in the luxury clubs in the north is marginal. In fact, many of the girls in the clubs in SF work in the clubs in the north too. The marginal difference, to me, a person who materially doesn't care about spending more money for better quality and a better experience, is negligible. It is so negligible that I have a hard time justifying going north at all other than to visit some nice restaurants or if I want a nice massage. I will be spending most of my time in SF. Why? Because it just makes sense. If you will be in Bogota from roughly March 13-20 ish and want to hang out, feel free to send me a PM. My Spanish is horrendous but those who know me know I'm a great wingman. Who doesn't want to hang around with a young guy to help them pick up ladies LOL.

Oh, and take the Woodman tour. It's worth it's weight in gold.

Tia.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2668075]I am like you (Never been to Bogota, but going in a month and am willing to pay a premium for upscale experiences. ) and with all the research I have done on this group here is the list I have come up with for clubs / spas to find girls who are better looking.

Since I have never been to Bogota I will let the experienced mongers comment on these.

Flirt Hotel: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/FlirtHotelBogota/[/URL].

Paisas [URL]https://www.facebook.com/paisascluboficial/[/URL].

Loutron [URL]https://www.facebook.com/loutronbogota[/URL].

Fiebre [URL]https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/583407471/colombia/bogota-colombia/fiebre-club/[/URL].

Angelos VIP: [URL]https://angelos.com.co/[/URL].

Lido: Do they have a web site? Address? This suppose to be the most high end club with girls asking 500 K.

Absolut Spa [URL]https://www.absolutspa.com.co/instalaciones/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Why do you think that your research is the best? Just SF clubs are OK.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2668190]Why do you think that your research is the best? Just SF clubs are OK.[/QUOTE]I Never said my research is best.

[QUOTE=JumpOver;2667814]Hi everyone,…

Wondering what my best option for a brothel nearby. I am not so adventurous and willing to pay a premium for upscale experiences. I speak only a bit of Spanish so Ingls friendly is a plus.

What are the best high end brothel / clubs in town that are actually open these days? Bonus points for closeness to Zona T / Chico / Chapinero. Even a high end spa with HJ opportunities would be good for me.

Sorry for the last minute outreach. This trip came together very fast..[/QUOTE]Monday during the day check out la mezzanine, there are a few shops in this building, many posts on here about this place for you to read.

[URL]https://spapremiumcolombia.wixsite.com/masajes[/URL]

Will do. Thanks for the recommendation. The website makes it look like one Spa. Is this a make appointment first place.

Or just drop in? I'll read through the forum on it.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2668317]Monday during the day check out la mezzanine, there are a few shops in this building, many posts on here about this place for you to read.

[URL]https://spapremiumcolombia.wixsite.com/masajes[/URL][/QUOTE]

Hi all.

I'm hoping to travel to Bogota in May. I'm working through the prevous pages of this forum. But I'm starting with very little knowledge. I had planned Medellin last year but that fell through due to work commitments. This time, I was planning a trip to Havana, and I've spent a month or so planning for that, but I'm going cold on the idea, especially as I'll be flying from the US so have the extra hassle that entails.

I started looking at Medellin but the cost of flights are almost double what they are to literally anywhere else in the area (like $1,000+ CAD). Flights to Bogota are half the price. I can take a cheap internal flight but I only have 6 days as it is and don't want to lose another day or two to internal travel. So, Bogota it is!

Just wondering if anyone has any intel on any facebook profiles to start hunting for friends? There is a good network for Medellin to get started but I haven't been able to find anything similar for Bogota. I had lined up a number of very good potentials for my Medellin trip through facebook trawling. All I need is a profile or two to get started. Can anyone help?

So far, from what I've read, Mezzanine is high on my list of places to visit. I'm also hoping to get an airbnb and look to some of the escort sites and (hopefully) FB. I don't want to go down the SA route if I can avoid it.

I'm not really a club guy but will check out SF also. Woodman, if you are around in May, and don't mind, I would like to hit you up for some company!

If anyone else is likely to be there during the last couple of weeks of May, let me know too. I haven't been to Colombia before, so it is a little intimidating as a solo traveller. I've been to many mongering destinations (Tijuana, Germany, Netherlands, Thailand) but Colombia is a whole other ball game!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2668673]I can take a cheap internal flight but I only have 6 days as it is and don't want to lose another day or two to internal travel.[/QUOTE]How do you lose a day or 2? The flight from Bogota to Medellin is 30 minutes. Facebook is a Medellin thing, not a Bogota thing.

[QUOTE=JumpOver;2668593]Will do. Thanks for the recommendation. The website makes it look like one Spa. Is this a make appointment first place.

Or just drop in? I'll read through the forum on it.[/QUOTE]That is a website for one shop- All are drop in- there are a few on the 2nd floor-- see photos on this link.

There are some others in North-- Check the board -- Many posts to read through the forum about.

[URL]https://colombia.adultsearch.com/bogota/erotic-massage-parlor[/URL]

So long time lurker. Finally decided to say something.

I was in Bogota Jan. 30 - Feb 17.

Saw 4 girls out there.

1 white short brunette. OMG had me in love. It was at like apartment kind of situation / paid her 70 k pesos for like 45 minutes, and gave her 50 k for BBJ/ great experience / had a nice talk after / really good vibes, was going to see her again but most of these girls work like 9-5 / or 10-7 and then go home to the outskirts of the city.

Saw 2 girls at a place I saw was recommended on here. Like around 66 calle idk excatly. Paid 10 k to enter. Then 50 k was the base.

Name were like Antonella and idk the other.

1 brown short skinny venni it was mechanical not much fun / was bored with her and saw the other girl.

She was tall brown sexy Colombia and paid like 30 k for BBJ and 20 k for kisses. BBJ was alright not much kisses. She was sexy this so wasn't hard to bust a nut. It was rushed so whack.

And the last girl I saw was at Santa Fe. I'm not going to lie it was intimidating see all those girls out there like they really all just out there and its kinda like hard to choose and I always felt like if I choose one I would be missing out on another so I went by twice separate times and days until I found the one.

She was 22 venni and OMG sexy / it was like 45 k for the room and her / and I wanted to record it but she was like no face so lame / but still paid 50 k to record which ended up being a waste bc video was trash. And after that I busted and she was coolz.

My overall experience .

Quantity over quality is pretty much Colombia. You going to see a lot of bad bitches but are they going to make you feel loved and cared for ehhhh hard to find. Besides the first girl I saw. It wasn't much fun.

I wanted to see these other girls high class. But they were all flakes and that sucked.

Deff would go back but only till I can afford to see like 10 300 k chicas in a day.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2668673]Hi all.

I'm hoping to travel to Bogota in May. I'm working through the prevous pages of this forum. But I'm starting with very little knowledge. I had planned Medellin last year but that fell through due to work commitments. This time, I was planning a trip to Havana, and I've spent a month or so planning for that, but I'm going cold on the idea, especially as I'll be flying from the US so have the extra hassle that entails.

I started looking at Medellin but the cost of flights are almost double what they are to literally anywhere else in the area (like $1,000+ CAD). Flights to Bogota are half the price. I can take a cheap internal flight but I only have 6 days as it is and don't want to lose another day or two to internal travel. So, Bogota it is!

Just wondering if anyone has any intel on any facebook profiles to start hunting for friends? There is a good network for Medellin to get started but I haven't been able to find anything similar for Bogota. I had lined up a number of very good potentials for my Medellin trip through facebook trawling. All I need is a profile or two to get started. Can anyone help?

So far, from what I've read, Mezzanine is high on my list of places to visit. I'm also hoping to get an airbnb and look to some of the escort sites and (hopefully) FB. I don't want to go down the SA route if I can avoid it.

I'm not really a club guy but will check out SF also. Woodman, if you are around in May, and don't mind, I would like to hit you up for some company!

If anyone else is likely to be there during the last couple of weeks of May, let me know too. I haven't been to Colombia before, so it is a little intimidating as a solo traveller. I've been to many mongering destinations (Tijuana, Germany, Netherlands, Thailand) but Colombia is a whole other ball game!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Here's a tip for you if you want to go to Medellin. Don't try to book it from your Canadian city to MDE. Instead book two separate round trips. One to Miami or Ft Lauderdale and one from there to Medellin. This could come out to be half or less. The one way fare from Ft Lauderdale to MDE direct is $95!

This tip actually works worldwide as well. You can often save $700 or more when traveling internationally when you manually put your flights together. Esp if you put an overnight in the connecting city. Even with hotel it can come out way less.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2668690]How do you lose a day or 2? The flight from Bogota to Medellin is 30 minutes. Facebook is a Medellin thing, not a Bogota thing.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that's a shame. I guess SA it is.

I mean that I will lose the first night in MDE and then will fly back the day before my flight from Bogota back home. So I'll lose the first and last night in MDE, which takes me to only 4 nights in MDE. Yes, I can spend those nights in Bogota, but you have the transit / airport / flight / settling into new hotel time, which does add up. It just seems a lot of extra time wasted for a 6-day trip.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2668822]Thanks, that's a shame. I guess SA it is.

I mean that I will lose the first night in MDE and then will fly back the day before my flight from Bogota back home. So I'll lose the first and last night in MDE, which takes me to only 4 nights in MDE. Yes, I can spend those nights in Bogota, but you have the transit / airport / flight / settling into new hotel time, which does add up. It just seems a lot of extra time wasted for a 6-day trip.[/QUOTE]I have done many, many 5 or 6 day trips to South America. I have always counted my day of arrival and return as a lost day and never tried to cram in another city into a short trip. However, some guys travel very lite and if you have the good fortune of the flight schedules falling into perfect place, it might work. Be safe.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2668673]Hi all.

I'm hoping to travel to Bogota in May. I'm working through the prevous pages of this forum. But I'm starting with very little knowledge. I had planned Medellin last year but that fell through due to work commitments. This time, I was planning a trip to Havana, and I've spent a month or so planning for that, but I'm going cold on the idea, especially as I'll be flying from the US so have the extra hassle that entails.

I started looking at Medellin but the cost of flights are almost double what they are to literally anywhere else in the area (like $1,000+ CAD). Flights to Bogota are half the price. I can take a cheap internal flight but I only have 6 days as it is and don't want to lose another day or two to internal travel. So, Bogota it is!

Just wondering if anyone has any intel on any facebook profiles to start hunting for friends? There is a good network for Medellin to get started but I haven't been able to find anything similar for Bogota. I had lined up a number of very good potentials for my Medellin trip through facebook trawling. All I need is a profile or two to get started. Can anyone help?

So far, from what I've read, Mezzanine is high on my list of places to visit. I'm also hoping to get an airbnb and look to some of the escort sites and (hopefully) FB. I don't want to go down the SA route if I can avoid it.

I'm not really a club guy but will check out SF also. Woodman, if you are around in May, and don't mind, I would like to hit you up for some company!

If anyone else is likely to be there during the last couple of weeks of May, let me know too. I haven't been to Colombia before, so it is a little intimidating as a solo traveller. I've been to many mongering destinations (Tijuana, Germany, Netherlands, Thailand) but Colombia is a whole other ball game!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Depending on your arrival time in Bogota you should be able to find a flight to Medellin same day. There are many flight usually. And generally they were less than 100 dollars one way, sometimes much less. I understand that on the return flight you would want to be in Bogota the day before. Keeps options open in case you miss the flight back to Bog or something.

Be sure your Airbnb allows guests if you want that. Only way to know is to ask the host. "House rules" on airbnb will sometimes be clear (be sure to scroll down or check more until you get to the end of rules), but even then it is better to ask.

Heads up on "mezzanine" massage place versus SF. They are a long ways apart. Bogota is a big city. Taxi is best option for a short stay in Bogota.

Here are some of my tips and observations while in Bogota.

Uber is my preferred mode of transportation, especially if you don't speak Spanish. The prices are great and given upfront. Keep in mind when it rains, it's harder to get one. I had to use Cabify once when Uber took too long. I heard changing the payment method to cash will help, but I didn't try it.

Be wary of the taxi drivers at the airport. Some will try to charge you more because you've just arrived and don't know the prices. Ask them upfront. An hour drive only cost me 20 K + tip on Uber.

Definitely try out as many restaurants as you can. The food is cheap and there's a lot of variety. Use Google Maps to find different ones near you. If you want delivery, download Rappi app. Tipping at restaurants is 10% and added to the bill if you ask. Some places will call it "service included" or "voluntary tip". I used the Google translation app to ask for voluntary tip most of the time. Meals are cheap, so tips are just a few dollars and always appreciated by the staff.

Colombians dress nicer than Americans. The only people I saw in sweats are younger guys and people going to the gym. You don't need to dress up though. I pretty much wore what I wear on business casual Fridays: casual button-up, polo, sweater, jeans, chinos, and boots / sneakers. You could pretty much go anywhere with those combinations. I wore t-shirts too, so it's not like you need to follow any dress code. I dressed a little more nicely when I went on a dinner date with two girls. But it was just a dress shirt that I tucked into black chinos. I would also recommend boots because Colombians are shorter than Westerners and woman considered me tall even though I'm 5'10. With boots, I'm closer to 6 feet and they liked it.

Has someone ever been in the massage parlors inside the El Dorado Lounge, the VIP room in the Bogota airport? I'm here now, alone, and there was a cute girl insisting me so much about a massage. She told me she would do it "super rico why super especial" and smiled to me all the time. But I'm so sure there won't be sex involved here, and I wouldn't pay for just a massage. I'm guessing she was just the average good mood Colombian girl trying to sell an overpriced massage without sex nor happy ending. But if someone has experience I'd love to know.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2668075]I am like you (Never been to Bogota, but going in a month and am willing to pay a premium for upscale experiences. ) and with all the research I have done on this group here is the list I have come up with for clubs / spas to find girls who are better looking.

Since I have never been to Bogota I will let the experienced mongers comment on these.

Flirt Hotel: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/FlirtHotelBogota/[/URL].

Paisas [URL]https://www.facebook.com/paisascluboficial/[/URL].

Loutron [URL]https://www.facebook.com/loutronbogota[/URL].

Fiebre [URL]https://www.instagram.com/explore/locations/583407471/colombia/bogota-colombia/fiebre-club/[/URL]..[/QUOTE]The list is not complete at all, many, many sites missing. But yes it's hard to gather them all.

I've been to most of the places in your list so here are my comments:

High end sites.

Lido: Too expensive and the same girls you find on other places.

Flirt Hotel: Never been there.

Loutron: A bit expensive for Colombian standards, but girls are fine. Best rooms if you care about that.

Middle Tier.

Absolut Spa: Massage Parlor. You will find the greatest amount of good looking girls for sure here. No need to "hunt", you just ask for a "presentación" and you will have 10 or more gorgeous girls modeling for you. The hardest is to remember the names of all the girls you'd love to fuck. Also goes on the expensive side by Colombian standards though.

Angelos VIP: A night club. So it's better to go on Friday or Saturday night. More expensive that SF but not as expensive as the other sites above.

Low cost.

Fiebre, Paisas, Troya: These are all night clubs in the SF neighborhood. As others have said already you can find stunning girls there for just 70 k or 80 k, but you need to hunt. There are also many girls I wouldn't fuck for free there. If you actually go upstairs to the rooms with one of the girls here it will be a very quick 10-15 minutes fuck. You need to take their private numbers if you want to truly enjoy their bodies.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2668190]Why do you think that your research is the best? Just SF clubs are OK.[/QUOTE]Wow no need to be rude, dude. Mtljay did an ok job there. Yes many missing places but it's hard to find updated information about all the prostitution there is in Bogota. SF might be best if you speak spanish and are able to get girls' numbers and convince them to go to your hotel room. If you can't do that you will fuck cheaply but for just for 10-15 minutes. Idk about you, but I like to have more time to truly enjoy a woman's body. I like to kiss them in the mouth, pussy, even eat their assess if we are going to do anal and if I see them clean (and the best for that is to make them shower in your own private room).

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2668317]Monday during the day check out la mezzanine, there are a few shops in this building, many posts on here about this place for you to read.

[URL]https://spapremiumcolombia.wixsite.com/masajes[/URL][/QUOTE]As I said in another post I recently (February 2022) went to ALL the mezanines and couldn't find a girl I'd pay to fuck. Before the pandemic I had been in mezanines many times, maybe I was unlucky that day, or maybe the pandemic killed those sites. Some of them BTW went total bankrupt.

To the Medellin guy: I agree with you. 5 days is not enough to go to Bogota AND Medellin. I'd also stay just in Bogota. You need to take into account the airport is not in Medellin but in Rionegro, so you need a 2 hour car drive from Rionegro to Medellin and back. Also airports worldwide suck, even if the flight is 30 minutes long you waste so much time and money going to the airport going through all the security checks, lines etc. I'd also just stick to one city for a short trip.

Went last night, had a coupe drinks at some tiny bar without a name and then went into Troya, was nice good amount of girls. Went into Paisas and was surprised there wasn't anyone inside (no girls, no customers, nothing) I know it was a Monday night but still was surprised.

Went back into Troya and got a dance by a girl and few more drinks but went home relatively early. Tonight I'll probably check out Pussy House or go back to Santa Fe to check out Fiebre.

[QUOTE=ApplesApples;2669272]Went last night, had a coupe drinks at some tiny bar without a name and then went into Troya, was nice good amount of girls. Went into Paisas and was surprised there wasn't anyone inside (no girls, no customers, nothing) I know it was a Monday night but still was surprised.

Went back into Troya and got a dance by a girl and few more drinks but went home relatively early. Tonight I'll probably check out Pussy House or go back to Santa Fe to check out Fiebre.[/QUOTE]I'm going at the end of March, please please write a review.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2669029]Has someone ever been in the massage parlors inside the El Dorado Lounge, the VIP room in the Bogota airport? I'm here now, alone, and there was a cute girl insisting me so much about a massage. She told me she would do it "super rico why super especial" and smiled to me all the time. But I'm so sure there won't be sex involved here, and I wouldn't pay for just a massage. I'm guessing she was just the average good mood Colombian girl trying to sell an overpriced massage without sex nor happy ending. But if someone has experience I'd love to know.

The list is not complete at all, many, many sites missing. But yes it's hard to gather them all.

I've been to most of the places in your list so here are my comments:

High end sites...[/QUOTE]It's a good info, the only problem is; #1 no one can say who will work at any casa today until a girl come to work. #2 It is better to be #1 dick of the day than #2 (at least for some people) #3 My experience: I fucked a pole dancer at Paisas one day and I was #1 dick on that day and she was 7/10. The next day was Sunday and that was slow anywhere and that was around 5 pm. I texted the same pole dancer, and she repyed that she is at the Paisa club now. And 15 min later I saw her. I fucked her but she was like she had 10-15 dicks before me + no shower. That is why, my opinion on the subject: you can go to any place or website, if you have past experience how to deal and how to book girls, you are OK. + I buy Bogota girls at photoprepagos and online agencies for 5-10 years. I see 90% of the same pics and the same profiles as 5 years ago. If you know 5 month can make a huge difference how a girl looks. She can be 10/10 and 5 months later, I don't want fuck her even if she pay me some money.

[QUOTE=ApplesApples;2669272]Went last night, had a coupe drinks at some tiny bar without a name and then went into Troya, was nice good amount of girls. Went into Paisas and was surprised there wasn't anyone inside (no girls, no customers, nothing) I know it was a Monday night but still was surprised.

Went back into Troya and got a dance by a girl and few more drinks but went home relatively early. Tonight I'll probably check out Pussy House or go back to Santa Fe to check out Fiebre.[/QUOTE]In my experience Paisas are closed on some days because there are no clients. On the same days Troya is opened but very slow. They pay to a few dancers, to come and dance with big intervals but even in the men's wash room they try to save on the utility bill, there is no water at the washroom.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2669029]Has someone ever been in the massage parlors inside the El Dorado Lounge, the VIP room in the Bogota airport? I'm here now, alone, and there was a cute girl insisting me so much about a massage. She told me she would do it "super rico why super especial" and smiled to me all the time. But I'm so sure there won't be sex involved here, and I wouldn't pay for just a massage. I'm guessing she was just the average good mood Colombian girl trying to sell an overpriced massage without sex nor happy ending. But if someone has experience I'd love to know.

The list is not complete at all, many, many sites missing. But yes it's hard to gather them all.

I've been to most of the places in your list so here are my comments:

High end sites.

Lido: Too expensive and the same girls you find on other places.

Flirt Hotel: Never been there.

Loutron: A bit expensive for Colombian standards, but girls are fine. Best rooms if you care about that.[/QUOTE]I've forgotten. In addition, I believe, most visitors here are looking for some useful info and not some motivational staff "you can do it we can help", because the first time visitor is reading the first time visitors' reviews and if that experience was good they make wrong conclusions and waste their valuable trip time on useless moves. On other side, there are a ton of mongers who tried to follow a motivational advice and got less than average experience (wasted their trip). But unfortunately they don't share their experiences here.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2669737]In my experience Paisas are closed on some days because there are no clients. On the same days Troya is opened but very slow. They pay to a few dancers, to come and dance with big intervals but even in the men's wash room they try to save on the utility bill, there is no water at the washroom.[/QUOTE]Early week is really slow in Santa Fe. Typically I always fly in on Thursday night to Bogotá and party 3 great nights in Santa Fe then fly to Medellin on Sunday for some sun and warmth. Over the past 3 trips I have built a collection of what's app contact numbers for slower days. Tinder plus works as well. I've matched a lot of girls. Also if you search their instagram and follow them.

If they post it on tinder. I have pulled a few gorgeous girls just by commenting on their story or pictures with a heart and compliment. Five minutes later I'm given their what's app and the run down. Monday to Wednesday is good at la Isla girls club in Medellin lots of girls and the ratio of customers to girls is beneficial. Otherwise on weekends your dreams Girl will be already shacked up sitting with a group of guys getting drunk. . I find they have better girls on the weekdays but park Lleras is slower. Lleras is only good on weekends.

There is ton of information on Santa Fe but minimal information on other areas.

Maps suggest street action in Barrio Carvajal area and about 3-5 casas / bars and 2 strip clubs but I have not seen any recent reviews of this area.

Also calle 62 and calle 67 in Capinero has street scene marked on the map along with good number of motels and casas. Can anyone comment or have recently visited any of these areas?

[QUOTE=TheNewStandArd;2666214]Hey guys,

Bogota is popping my solo trip cherry starting March 14-17. Still exploring places to stay but I'm thinking a hotel in the Tuquendama suites / hotel. Any updates advice for a first time solo traveler? If you're in the area and want a wingman, I'd be happy to accompany you.[/QUOTE]Hey,

I tried to message you to coordinate but it looks like you don't have a subscription. We cannot coordinate in the open forum here. There are gas station bitcoin ATMs now that make it super easy.

I can't help with hotel recommendations, but would love to have a wingman. I have been 2 times before.

Went again last night after 9 after dinner with co-workers. Hit up Troya, Paisas Fiebre and Venus.

Troya was good as always, had a drink with a couple girls but wasn't vibing so moved on. Paisas still completely dead (I remember it differently from when I was last year a week before covid, but now I'm not sure I'm going to keep giving it a chance). Feibre was ridiculously packed, couldn't even find a seat, they have a good constant show of girls dancing though without a long wait in between like in Troya and also some great girls, but it was crazy packed so I wasn't feeling it. Lastly went to Venus which was new for me it reminded me of Tropical in Tijuana has ever been, girls a little rung below the hottest but the vibe was much better a lot of dancing on and off with many girls (didn't need to get them a drink or anything) and in general just a fun time. Ended up taking this tiiny girl (my type) upstairs,.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2669756]the first time visitor is reading the first time visitors' reviews and if that experience was good they make wrong conclusions and waste their valuable trip time on useless moves. On other side, there are a ton of mongers who tried to follow a motivational advice and got less than average experience (wasted their trip). But unfortunately they don't share their experiences here.[/QUOTE]But that is called life. Just because we have the same opportunity, does not mean we will have the same outcome. Because you went to school and studied botany and earn $1 million dollars, does not mean I will make $1 million dollars if I went to the same school and was in all the same classes with you.

Same as there is no read this book and you are guaranteed to become rich, there is no read this post and you are guaranteed to have a great time.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2669945]There is ton of information on Santa Fe but minimal information on other areas.

Maps suggest street action in Barrio Carvajal area and about 3-5 casas / bars and 2 strip clubs but I have not seen any recent reviews of this area.

Also calle 62 and calle 67 in Capinero has street scene marked on the map along with good number of motels and casas. Can anyone comment or have recently visited any of these areas?[/QUOTE]There is street action on calle 67 between carrera 21 & 22, however it is small scale and quality not too good. That area has a lot of daytime 'casas', especially going east towards Ave Caracas, they're a better bet.

The street scene on calle 62 as indicated on map is non-existant, that block is full of love motels, but not seedy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670008]But that is called life. Just because we have the same opportunity, does not mean we will have the same outcome. Because you went to school and studied botany and earn $1 million dollars, does not mean I will make $1 million dollars if I went to the same school and was in all the same classes with you.

Same as there is no read this book and you are guaranteed to become rich, there is no read this post and you are guaranteed to have a great time.[/QUOTE]Your "outcome" philosophy is great but only in theory. Any prostitute is thinking in terms of cold cash. They don't care about your Spanish, alfa male or advanced sex skills, dancing skills, etc. They see many dicks every day and their pussy is hearting because of that. If you think that they are looking your outstanding monger's skills, it is in your mind only. The best client is online client, or client who does not have erection, or client who comes in less than one min. Because it's their problem. And the kitty is less stressed and irritated.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670008]But that is called life. Just because we have the same opportunity, does not mean we will have the same outcome. Because you went to school and studied botany and earn $1 million dollars, does not mean I will make $1 million dollars if I went to the same school and was in all the same classes with you.

Same as there is no read this book and you are guaranteed to become rich, there is no read this post and you are guaranteed to have a great time.[/QUOTE]In addition, if you think that girls are interested in any of your skills it is easy to check that. Just ask her what do you want: #1 I pay you money and no sex. #2 I pay you the same money and I fuck you using my advanced sex skills and alfa male attitude. Please let us know.

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2669874]Early week is really slow in Santa Fe. Typically I always fly in on Thursday night to Bogot and party 3 great nights in Santa Fe then fly to medellin on Sunday for some sun and warmth. Over the past 3 trips I have built a collection of what's app contact numbers for slower days. Tinder plus works as well. I've matched a lot of girls. Also if you search their instagram and follow them.

If they post it on tinder. I have pulled a few gorgeous girls just by commenting on their story or pictures with a heart and compliment. Five minutes later I'm given their what's app and the run down. Monday to Wednesday is good at la Isla girls club in medellin lots of girls and the ratio of customers to girls is beneficial. Otherwise on weekends your dreams Girl will be already shacked up sitting with a group of guys getting drunk. . I find they have better girls on the weekdays but park lleras is slower. Illeras is only good on weekends.[/QUOTE]In my experience, if I see that a girl that I am interested in is sitting with other customers, I ask the barmen to call her and ask if she wants some money for fucking me. Usually the girls say yes and after me they can have some fun with their friends.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2669945]There is ton of information on Santa Fe but minimal information on other areas.

Maps suggest street action in Barrio Carvajal area and about 3-5 casas / bars and 2 strip clubs but I have not seen any recent reviews of this area.

Also calle 62 and calle 67 in Capinero has street scene marked on the map along with good number of motels and casas. Can anyone comment or have recently visited any of these areas?[/QUOTE]You are looking for a magic place where the girls are waiting for you. Try to think like you are a native Colombian who lives in Bogota all his life and knows about local prostitutes and casas much more than you have learned here and a lot more than you know from your theoretical youtube videos and books (if you read any). If SF is running slow on most days, that means. Try to make logic conclusions.

I'll be back in Bogota in exactly 4 weeks for a long weekend. I had no plans on returning so soon, but I want to see those 3 girls again. Might as well strike while the iron's hot.

The first SA girl and her friend will accompany me to this resort town a couple hours outside the city for the weekend. Then I'll spend at least one day with the other SA girl back in Bogota.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2670214]Your "outcome" philosophy is great but only in theory. Any prostitute is thinking in terms of cold cash. They don't care about your Spanish, alfa male or advanced sex skills, dancing skills, etc. They see many dicks every day and their pussy is hearting because of that. If you think that they are looking your outstanding monger's skills, it is in your mind only. The best client is online client, or client who does not have erection, or client who comes in less than one min. Because it's their problem. And the kitty is less stressed and irritated.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? I was expounding on your statement that some random monger can not expect to have the same good time that another monger reported having. He must find a way to create his own good time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670650]What are you talking about? I was expounding on your statement that some random monger can not expect to have the same good time that another monger reported having. He must find a way to create his own good time.[/QUOTE]Everyone has his or her scale of happiness. And what is for me 10 for you is 1. What moves me (pay per fuck and move on) for another person, who need dates, admiration, girl's company, exercising of his mongering skills (in his mind) will be a waste of time.

I believe that most visitors who read this forum not looking for "an advanced mongering good time" and not capable to create his own good time, because it's not possible for them considering short trip time, zero Spanish, and another country conditions. Probably, they need solid workflow kind of a woodman's consultation "go there -pay-do. Repeat". That is why, an attempt to create his own good time ends for many as wasted trip time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670008]But that is called life. Just because we have the same opportunity, does not mean we will have the same outcome. Because you went to school and studied botany and earn $1 million dollars, does not mean I will make $1 million dollars if I went to the same school and was in all the same classes with you.

Same as there is no read this book and you are guaranteed to become rich, there is no read this post and you are guaranteed to have a great time.[/QUOTE]I can summarize your philosophy and advice.

Dear mongers,

"We all have equal opportunities. You should find your way to make your $1 million."

Had a great long weekend last year in Medellin but the prices to go to Medellin are almost double compared to Bogota, never been there before so why not.

I speak perfect Spanish since I was born in Latin America so that's a big help I also don't pass as a gringo (I think).

Did lots of research in this forum as well as the Colombian one ([URL]foroprepagoscolombia.com[/URL]) the maps here were lots of help as well.

Global entry is the best 100 $ you can spent as long your background is clean, safes so much time.

First day Thursday:

Got to Bogota around 2:45 pm, my roaming phone service was a POS, took an uber to my hotel, since I'm a mainly casa guy decided to stay in Chapinero, stayed at hotel Normandy, no elevator clean and simple and only 15 $ a night or 60,000 cop, the hotel was ok.

Walked to spa tantra (cra 20 a 72-30) this place has probably the best deal in town, 80,000 cops for one hour and includes BBBJ, they offer extras like kissing ect, the line up was good and went with Abigail 26 years old Colombiana, had a good session with kissing.

The only thing I don't like about most Bogota casas (99%) they don't have a freaking shower, love that about Medellin, Guadalajara and Spain, in Bogota they spray you with alcohol witch I don't like but it is what it is.

The altitude got me messed up plus the starting of the Ukrainian war, so went to sleep early.

Friday:

Decided to walk around Chapinero casas and was not impressed, I think I just don't like this facilities (chuzos) as the locals call it, still had an ok session with a light skin Colombiana couldn't come cause the rooms were too noisy and small, around 2: pm decided to take an uber to Santa Fe and OMG I was overwhelm by the talent and variety, all kinds of pussy I mean all kinds.

Right away went with a flaca vennie (Rosmary) 19 years old and perfect body, 40,000 cop got to kiss her and the session was really good, was there for around 20 min, went around for more hunting and found this white spinner with pink hair (forgot her name) 40,000 cops great attitude and amazing fuck (porn Starr level) again I knew I had about 20 min, took an uber in front of paisas.

My first impressions of Santa Fe were good, as long as you stay in that perimeter around the clubs you'll be fine as they have police presence and the clubs don't want any ratas around, went inside two clubs but it was slow, I don't like to drink so just ordered Gatorade or water and tipped the server, they were pretty cool, depending the hours can be hard to get an uber.

Saturday:

Went all in to Santa Fe around 1 pm, this beautiful spinner waves at me and there we go, she offers a three some with her supposedly sister and inside we go, the younger one likes to talk too much but they gave me girlfriend experience at no extra cost, best 80,000 I've ever spent. The knock on the door is annoying as hell, walking around again found this vennie and she gave me some attitude but I ignored the signs, this was the only really bad experience during the whole trip, she didn't want to do a BJ saying I didn't negotiated it before hand, she was just horrible, I'm not going to fight for 10 $ so I just moved on, told her what a shamed since most Venezuelans are willing to pleased, went around the corner a little frustrated and found this beautiful lady, white Venezuelan with amazing hands, I told her I was a little frustrated and tired and she treated me like a king, I asked her for an hour session massage for the next day and she quoted me 200,000 cop, told me to buy a body oil for the massage. Did that the next morning.

Saturday around 7 pm decided to go again to tantras spa and had a refreshing session with this vennie, really worthy session, again tantra is the best deal in town. Decided to call it a day, as you can see I'm a sober hardcore monger (I'm also 34 years old) so I can go far.

Sunday:

Got the oil and went straight SF to meet my beautiful lady for the massage, she says she lives there as most girls do in Santa Fe, she offer me a shower for the first time LOL, the water never got warm but at least she tried so no problem, again great hands that are hard to find, she tried to make me come multiple time and I told her no LOL, I'm not trying to be a monogamist, her name is Zara and she is in the same place as the girl with the pink hair.

After Zara I went around and had two compulsive sessions with two more ladies and just couldn't come, I think I was just done with Santa Fe at this point, heard some one saying something similar about it.

I was having lunch every day in Santa Fe with no problems, I even had a haircut LOL, cheapest cut in my life, I think I only saw no more than 4 gringos, sorry I don't like to approach anyone plus I'm a man on a mission.

Went back to Chapinero and decided to go to sleep around 10 pm.

Monday:

I knew I was done with Santa Fe so thankfully I remember reading about the mezzanines so there we go. Took an uber to the dann Carlton hotel since is just one block away. Got me a tostao cafe and upstairs we go, went straight to the side with only one room and immediately love the vive, the rooms were extra small that the girls were hot, went with a flaca Colombiana, 150 30 min over priced but worthy as hell, her name was maybe Mia I don't remember, then went to the other side and all the doors starts opening with the girls jumping at me, decided to just look around since was still tired from the first session, the first room had the best talent in my opinion, again the vive was just different, felt like I was around high class Colombianas or perhaps college students, minutes later comeback for Julieta a Colombiana from cucuta, I almost fell in love with this girl, beautiful from head to toes, made me give her a massage and the chemistry was just there, I'm really glad I found this place.

Went back around my hotel to tantras and got with this Colombian from la costa (close to Cartagena) she was 19 with a banging body just so much lust, awesome session, again back to eat and sleep, Tuesday has to be a hardcore day since is my last full day.

Tuesday:

Went to get my covid test at profamilia Centro de jovenes, 60000 cop and was done in less than an hour, decided to back to the mezzanines just for Julieta, this time she didn't even rubbed me with alcohol LOL, another great session, this is a girl I would be proud to call my girlfriend and I'm very picky, but this girl is sweet and polite, told me she was a cam girl. Not sure about that. Decided to leave the mezzanine because of lulieta LOL, I almost stay at the Dann Carlton the day before but didn't have my passport with me so I just used the bathroom and played the piano, saw a couple of gringos in there.

Back in Chapinero to the ATM and went inside Sixtynine bar just because why not, found this dark skin Dominican looking Talia, she actually works at tantra spa, went with her, first thing she tells me is you can't put your fingers in my vagina cause is not sanitary or something like that but you can kiss me, they don't have beds in this club just sofas, is meant to be like a stripper show room, Talia is 18 years old and I didn't fucked her she fucked me. This was the most intense experience in the whole trip, she is Venezuelan but fucks like a black girl from Sosua, gave her a good tip.

Went back to tantras spa, picked this good looking white Colombian but she is telling me she was sore (WTF) so I told her to go back and went with this tall Venezuelan, I think her name is Tatiana, massive ass (huge) I like flacas but in every trip I like to indulge with massive booties, great session but the only problem was the BBBJ since she had braces and was bothering me but I fucked the shit out of that booty.

After three pops and eating something this is my last day so decided to go to pussy house since is just walking distance from my hotel, its not busy since is a Tuesday but enough talent to have a good time, grabbed a bottle of water and got change to tip the dancers, I loved this atmosphere and wish I came here before, started talking with this beautiful smart Venezuelan, offered her a beer and asked her how things work there, she explained me that there are dancers and then girls who are just escorts, loved to have a conversation and a drink with this lady before fucking, we talked about Medellin and how I don't do drugs and how Tusi make her feels LOL, I can see how this clubs appeals to the locals, after 30 min we decided to go, it was 150 for 30 min including the room, its actually the building next door, surprisingly this was the best room in my whole trip, actually queen side beds with bathrooms but no towels, again great session and feel lucky to be able to have so many great sessions back to back. But its not over yet.

Wednesday:

My flight was for 3:25 pm so I was planning on being around 12 at the airport, decided to have a session at absolut spa around 10:20 am since the open at 10 am, got there and there's only one lady, this woman looks like a high end escort I mean this place charges over 300,000 cop.

She treated me like a king and had a great conversation, she loves to travel and gave me her personal phone and real name, showed me pictures of her travels, if she finds a gringo to pay for her flight and accommodations she is down, I go to Cancun and Punta Cana a lot so I don't mind bringing her LOL.

Sometimes is good to try this high end ladies, she is still texting me as we speak, this spa has a great location with showers but only massage tables.

Went to the airport and it was a smooth experience, had lunch at the Carlos Vives restaurant, no delays I always flight Spirit with no problems or delays, again global entry is the mvp.

The weather in Bogota was not bad just some rain here and there, people wearing jackets like is cold, I was always on a t-shirt, my hotel did my laundry for really cheap, I almost fuck one of the housekeepers but didn't have much time, I'm a pure monger, I almost went out with a tinder girl who gave me her WhatsApp but again I didn't have time for that, if I'm going to be in Bogota for months I see myself hanging with regulars, this is a huge city and the possibilities are endless, I see myself moving here for at least year in the future.

My experience just got better and better as the days passed, I thought Medellin was a huge mongering destination but Bogota is at another level, everything felt cheaper in Bogota for some reason, I didn't got to experience the south of the city which also has lots of mongering spots.

I might forget some things but did my best, I'm thankful for this forum and the people who contributes on their trips, hopefully there's something useful here, Chapinero is the perfect spot for me since is in the center so I can go down to Santa Fe or up to the mezzanine or just stay and hit casas.

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To remedy this situation I submit the following:

Last week I was in Bogota, stayed at Hotel Casa de Guillermo near CL. 72 and Ave. Caracas. I found the place through the Booking site, seemed like a decent cost-effective option, close to the 72 Transmilenium station, Chile Financial Center. Also, Bogota Map indicated casa Trantra Spa on the opposite side of the street down one block.

Hotel Guillermo was OK, the room was a bit cramped, and shower curtain had a gap at bottom that allowed water to seep onto bathroom floor, main complaints. I walked around the block before midnight, the streets were empty, did not feel safe, but daytime is safe. Nearby are many restaurant food options, including a produce market.

I can confirm that Tantra Spa is still in business. There was a lady on the corner of Cra. 20 a and CL. 72 passing out flyers for the Spa, and she indicated it was a white door entrance. At the white door, I rang the door bell a few times and nothing happened, but the door was unlocked so I went in and up the stairs. Business was in service and there were several ladies working there. It's a decent place.

Bogota map also indicates that Ron Con Piernas, Chicas Dos Mil, and 70 A Bar are a few blocks down, but I did not visit to see if they're in business, thou it would make this area even more attractive.

Also, a ten minute taxi ride from Guillermo Hotel is Gringo Tuesdays language exchange / night club at Vintrash. I attended, and for me it was too crowded for comfort, victim of its own success. Gringo Tuesdays is advertised as a free event but there was a 10 K cover charge, and the Club Colombia beers were 11 K (expensive by local prices, but gringos can afford).

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[QUOTE=Frogg;2670984]Lately the posts on this thread have been pointless ego-battles, vain philosophising lacking lacking useful info. To remedy this situation I submit the following:

I can confirm that Tantra Spa is still in business.
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Also, a ten minute taxi ride from Guillermo Hotel is Gringo Tuesdays language exchange / night club at Vintrash. I attended, and for me it was too crowded for comfort, victim of its own success. Gringo Tuesdays is advertised as a free event but there was a 10 K cover charge, and the Club Colombia beers were 11 K (expensive by local prices, but gringos can afford).[/QUOTE]Yes, I have been to Tantra Spa as well, and was pleasantly surprised by it. I was presented 6-8 girls, and I chose one with a big ass. The 'massage' was. Well, she didn't know how to massage, but then again I wasn't there for that. The girl was very pleasant, and gave me a BBBJ, which I was surprised by. She told me that I can have 4 positions and offered extras like CIM, which I took. The basic 30 minute service was 50 K and CIM was an extra 30 K.

I've been to Gringo Tuesdays multiple times, and it's meant to be a 'language exchange' event, but really most people are there to socialize. Which is cool. It gets crowded after 6 pm, and packed by 7 pm with noise levels very high. Then at 8, the tables and chairs are cleared and the place is a turned into a club. There are always lots of attractive Colombianas there "to practice my English". I've gotten a few WhatsApp numbers, but nothing ever came of them.

I've been on Seeking and been bombarded with texts from girls. However the flake rates are mind-blowingly high. One Sun, I had 3 dates lined up. One in the morning, one in the afternoon and another for the evening. All three flaked. And not a single one of them even had the decency to tell me that they are not coming, nor reply to my WhatsApp all day.

After 3 weeks on Seeking, I've banged 3 women from there. A MILF for free (but I'm not keen on repeating, even though she rimmed me), and so-and-so university Vennie, and a lovely, sweet Colombiana who I've seen twice. Seeking takes up hours of my time every day and I'm trying to figure out a way to reduce the flake rates.

A casa which I've been to twice (but where I haven't actually banged a girl) is on Calle 64,15-34. There's around 12-15 chicas, and some nice ones. The interior is quite nice, and there's a good vibe. Beer is 6 K. For some reason, I haven't pulled the trigger here, but will do so next time.

For anyone who has never been to the Santa Fé area of Bogotá, there are a few videos on YouTube which gives you an idea of how the area looks and what is on offer during the day:

[URL]https://youtu.be/DlWmuIQgq0c[/URL]

[URL]https://youtu.be/zrgyfCeJL10[/URL]

They're in Spanish, but for Santa Fé virgins like myself, I found it useful just to know how the streets looked and see the girls on offer. In one of the videos, the guy confirms that a girl offers 15 minutes for 35.000 COP, which is around 9 USD /7 GBP.

I've been watching similar videos of El Centro in Medellíand but I'll post in the Medellíand forum.

Hopefully this will be useful for those less experienced in the Santa Fé area.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2670776]I can summarize your philosophy and advice.

Dear mongers,

"We all have equal opportunities. You should find your way to make your $1 million.[/QUOTE]Addenda: "and if you can't get anything going, join the military."

Anybody know a good weed connect in Bogota?

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2671159]Anybody know a good weed connect in Bogota?[/QUOTE]At Parque de los Hippies, along 7th Ave and CL. 60, there are supposed to be informal weed venders. (I got this tip form a Vice News report a while back that I'm unable to locate.) In Bogota they call the weed 'crippa.' When I went to this Hippies Park some years ago, indeed there was a scruffy looking guy hawking 'crippa,' which was not very good, had stems and seeds like 1990s Mexican dirt weed we called 'stress' back then. At the park, sales are done low profile, since there is a police presence there. I don't know what you'd find today.

CoolGregg responded to my post about Tantra Spa in PM, but his inbox is full, so can't reply back. I've decided to publicly post his message with my response since I think it contains useful info (if Gregg objects to this, my apologies).

CoolGregg wrote:"Spa Tantra. Oh man. Did you like that spa? I went their last Saturday around 1 pm. It was a cesspool place. In presentation I saw 10 chicas. All the chicas were like 3 to 5. I picked one 5, when she got nude it was like 3. They press boobs and belly with clothing. Rooms were dirty. They put one small piece of cloth pretending it is washed on top of the mattress. There were stains on sheet. Girls don't take showers after or before, use wipes to clean a little bit after. I used bathroom, no soap available. Top of that, chick heckled for tip. That was my experience. I stayed on Carrera 10 and Calle 55."

My response: Yes, I liked the place and had a good time. I didn't write that in the post because I try to keep subjective opinions at minimum and be factual. I only wrote that it was decent, which is not saying much.

When I went, there were about 10 chicas as you mentioned. I found most of them attractive--you did not. I actually got the names mixed up and choose a wrong one. In room, wrong chica's face was not too pretty, but when clothes came off, body was awesome, and she knew how to fuck, no hassel for tip afterward.

Maybe it helps that I speak Spanish at native level, establishes rapport quickly. I imagine lack of Spanish would be more challenging, different outcome. Also, my standards don't seem to be too high, lol.

I liked that they lay down a sheet, didn't notice any stains nor other hygiene issues, girl seemed clean and didn't smell bad, good enough for me.

You went and had a bad time, I went and had a good time. So what about the next guy? Clearly, it can go either way.

This casa was like most others ones, not outstanding or unusual, except door bell doesn't seem to work.

Arrived early morning on Thursday. Immigration and custom was super easy. 20 min Total. Took a Uber Straight to Hotel. Nice area quiet on corre 6 & Calle 26. Kind a like new hotel. They did good job remodeling. Woke up late had nice breakfast at hotel. Went to cambio got 3850 for 1 usd. Then straight to Santa Fe. Strolled around. Picked up maria for 50 mil for one leche. She was near Las Vegas residencias. Not a good place. Had good session. No rush from chica but hotel knocks at door within 15 min. Even though you pay for 30 min. I recommend stay away from this place. Wander around just to get the lay of ground for night visit. Took a second lap picked up 1 vennie, she was a bit drama in room. That was a bit mood turn off for me. She tried to gave me a BJ. But could not finish in time. So I did not extend the session after cleaning myself in cold water left place in search of lunch. Ended up picking El virrey. Nice joint. After lunch went to local shop to recharge my sim. I paid 20 mil peso for data only. I don't know what she did in the computer. It did not work. Nice lady though. She is trying to get help from other staff in store to fix problems. No body knows. After half an hour waiting I did not want to waste much time I went to another local shop to recharge. I paid again 20 or 30 mil peso. She couldn't load the data. She tried calling customer service. I was like que pena con mi. She suggested that I should go to claro service center on corr 8 #45. Mean time my scheduled date arrived and was waiting for me downstairs at hotel. She was all panicking as can not contact me. Finally claro figured out and off I go. When I checked my phone had 20 miss calls and WA txt from her. Back to hotel and front desk checked her in. Took shower together. She gives me nice BBBJ and off we go at each other. After first round we drank scotch and cleaned up our selves and we make second round. Now she was getting into mood, and wanted to go for third round. I was like if I waste to many leche on one chick the next one will not get enough. So I ended session on nice 150 mil peso and 10 mil propina. No rush from her. I felt tired And exhausted due to altitude or scotch don't know. So after dinner went to bed early. Next day took a stroll after breakfast in Santa Fe. Picked up Jessica at he hotel she was standing at 9 ish am. Super nice girl she even told cleaning boy at hotel don't rush us before entering room. Now that's the girl I want to get engaged. She was sweetie pie. Had nice memorable session. Got nuemero and while I was about to leave place show nice spinner name Tatiana. Talked to her a little bit and got no. Wandered around in Santa Fe and did not like talents came back to hotel for nice nap. Went back to Santa Fe, for new talent acquisition. It stared down pouring for 1 or more. It rains a lot here. If you are lucky if you can see the sun. I was soaked and wet. Went back to hotel. Changed up and Later in the afternoon met new friends at plaza Bolvar in down town. Had great time wandering around. We planned to have party night but Did not go accordingly. So late night I made a round in Santa Fe and needed my last nut of that day. Ended up choosing fibre. Good 1 rato for 100 mil total. Next day I checked out and went to chapinero area. Oh boy then it went all crazy from here. I had one chick came from 2 hours south showed up without seedula. Now what. Here she is trying to convince security about her character. Haha. They did not budge. So we are on street asking some people about some local office location to get her seedula print out. Luckily it was not busy. Finally we made back to place. First thing is to shower and some drink and off we go. After 4 rounds of happiness she felt a sleep. She did not want to go home. So I took her out for brunch and bought her daughter cookies and send her home. Next few days I visited pussy house, divas, Angelo, rosquilas, club 69. Whiskeria 49, you name it. Travelled through transmileno up north all the casas up to mezzanine. They are expensive but you get what you paid for. Overall it is getting expensive compare to last trip as prices on rise. It rains almost every few hours. People are nice and lots of Venezuelan vendors. Bought food for some homeless people.

Ohhh forgot about Tatiana. So after I got her no. And chatted for couple of days. Ended up meeting Monday night. The deal was 150 mil for 2 hours only one way taxi. She showed up with her friend. I felt like buy one get one free deal. After checking in with security, which they kind a gave me a look this time, we took shower first and enjoying our company. Now this girls were really into fun. They are taking turns and telling me. Dale. How I should bang one more then other. That was weird. They did not want to leave so late night I kicked them out. Next day they wanted me to go to Monserrat with them. Sweet girls. I did not pay for any SA, tinder or cupid app. My Spanish is survival level.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2671159]Anybody know a good weed connect in Bogota?[/QUOTE]Hey bro if you need drugs just ask a girl in Santa Fe for it when your wth her. Give her a little extra and ask for the good stuff.

I'm spending a week exclusively in Santa Fe and will be filing a couple of reports. I'm a mid- 40's, fit white guy with experience mongering in several countries including Colombia. I have visited Santa Fe twice before but each time only really scratched the surface. My goal with this trip is to see how much uncovered action can be negotiated with the street and club girls and to ultimately decide if Santa Fe is a viable option going forward. Please note, I am not a tinder, SA, facebook guy and so my posts will not touch on those strategies. If they work for you, that's fantastic- please continue making them work. My main objection is that on a short stay, too much time is wasted dealing with the screening, set-up, flaking, and other problems that are much easier to deal with on a longer term basis. My guess is that for consistent uncovered service, SA is likely the superior option, but the cost in time and hassle is very high and again- not feasible for a week trip.

Traveling to Colombia at this time is quite easy. Don't forget your vaccination card and that silly Check Mig app (briefly scanned by the immigration officer). This time I flew Avianca and did not check bags or pay for carry-on, cramming all my belongings into a "personal item" that I stowed under my seat. This saves a lot of money- the cheap ticket price that lures you is often doubled by the time you pay for luggage.

I opted to stay at an inexpensive airbnb ($20 a night) situated half-way between Santa Fe and Carrera 7 a short five minute walk to each. Carrera 7 is a great pedestrian walkway that will take you all the way to the Museo de Oro and Plaza Bolivar. There are many places to eat inexpensively, access an ATM, and find drug stores for other needs. This is where you should do your civilian things if you stay in this neighborhood.

In the other direction is Santa Fe. Much has been written here about how "ghetto" or dangerous this neighborhood is and I'm not going to sugar coat it- it is a dump. A warren of about 3 x3 blocks full of dingy motels, potholes, drug dealers, prostitutes, an endless procession of bikers and taxis and roaming homeless young Venezuelan men- its a mongers paradise. I tend to feel that Santa Fe itself is not terribly dangerous but the area due south and south west should be avoided.

Danger can be mitigated by not standing out- I'm a pasty white guy with a bald / shaved head but I fit in quite easily by putting a baseball cap over the white dome, and dressing like a local with jeans and an adidas track jacket. With a mask over my face I'm rarely eyeballed and just assumed to be a local. Aside from wardrobe, just don't get stupid drunk, wear fancy clothes or items, and generally don't be an ass. If you plan on just hopping in and out of an uber I suppose you could wear nicer clothes, but I doubt the girls will really care. They might assume you can pay more. I do walk around at night, but just ignore all panhandlers and sketchy people and so far have been fine.

On the negotiation-as stated before, my goal here is to receive at the very least BBBJ with the ultimate goal of BBFS, CIP, with all the variations in between. A basic level of Spanish is needed for negotiation. First I ask her name, her age, where's she's from. If she looks young I demand to see a cedula (ID). If she does not produce a cedula that means she is under-age and you should walk on. I've been hanging out most on the south end of SF -this is where the Venezuelan spinners congregate, many who are underage, so be careful. A usual offer for a 20 min rato (date) will be 40-50 mil pesos. The hotel room (la pieza) is separate and is usually 8 mil pesos. If you want 40 minutes instead of 20, make sure the girl and hotel know during the negotiation. Once I have the base-price I specify that I need "oral sin condon", at this point she will either refuse or ask for more money-usually double her base rate- so 40 becomes 80,50 becomes 100. If I have an affirmative here I will seal the deal and head to the room. Other services I negotiate while in the room- so if I want a CIM, first I try to see if it can just be had for free, and if not how much more. Usually 20-30 mil extra should do it. The next bit, BBFS can be a little tricker, and often will mean a double of the agreed rate, so 100 mil (50 base+50 BBBJ) becomes 200 mil. Each step up in services acquired is more costly and less likely to be granted by the provider. However, let's remember that 200 mil pesos is about $53 and so to get BBFS plus CIM from a pretty 18 yr Venezuelan spinner, this is really a great deal.

My first day I began with an attractive and slim 19 year old Venezuelan at one of the north end hotels. She agreed to a 50 mil rato plus 50 mil for uncovered BJ. The service was fair to poor- she didn't appear to enjoy blowjobs or cum, but it was still satisfying ejaculating into her 19 yr old mouth. This was about 6 pm and as I was leaving I saw the "night shift' coming on, which seemed to have more talent generally.

After a meal, shower, and few hours later I came back to roam some more. Starting at the clubs, La Troya, Atunes, Paisas, I wasn't feeling the lineups and the club girls start at 70 mil pesos and are much more reluctant to do extras. A friend of mine has related that if you bring club girls out of SF to a nicer hotel or airbnb, extras are much easier to obtain- but I find this one more annoying hoop to jump through.

One of the night-time annoyances of the area to be aware of is all the young men trying to herd you into this or that club where, if successful, they will stick to you like glue until you have a seat and order an overpriced drink of which I'm assuming they get a large cut. It's best to just ignore them and say "luego, luego". After a couple of days I think they recognize me and don't pester me so much.

After walking around a bit more- the south end seems to have the kind of girl I like- young thin spinners- I found a very cute 18 yr old Vennie with cedula who agreed to 100 mil for uncovered BJ. Once in the room, I found her attitude to be great, allowed light deepthroat and some kissing. I asked for BBFS and she agreed for 100 mil more (now 200 mil total). She requested that I not CIP, and so came on her tummy. This was a fantastic session and we got numbers to meet up the next day.

Returning the night after, first I hung out a local bar and watched about 20 drug transactions right in front of me- little white powder packets in one hand, cash in the other. I texted my Vennie from the night before, who said she would be out soon- but instead of waiting I succumbed to temptation- another 18 yr old Vennie at a south end hotel. This girl was legitimately pretty, petite, with perky tits, a beautiful face and blonde braids. She agreed to a 40 k rato plus 40 k for BBBJ. We headed to the room and she delivered- very sexual and very sweet. I requested CIM during the act which she agreed to for an extra 20 mil, so 100 mil total. After sex we talked a bit and I learned she had been in Colombia for 2 years since that age of 16 and working in SF as a prostitute the whole time. She was curious why I asked for her ID, "you don't like young girls? To which I replied it was illegal. She maintained that it was not illegal and that she had no trouble with the police for the previous two years she had been working. Maybe not, maybe so, but the risk is still there for Gringos- especially-to be extorted by either the provider or the police, so again it's best not to break the laws in your home country even if you are abroad. I plan to visit this provider again- she told me that girls do come out on Sundays, so we shall see.

After my session, it was raining heavily, and the girl from the previous night finally showed up and met me in a bar across from Paisas Club. At first she asked for 400 mil to go to my place for a few hours- but I got her down to 300 mil (again included BBBJ, BBFS). I was considering a trio with her friend but the girl didn't show. I was expecting the doorman at my airbnb to check her cedula as this girl looks quite young (mostly because she is a small spinner) but there was no such request and so we just went up to my room. The session was good, but I was a bit tired because I had just fucked a little while ago, and so for much of the 3 hours we just hung out. She told me she had come to Colombia quite recently and had first spent time in Parque Lleras in Medellin, which is why her initial ask is 50 mil not 35 mil and her markup is higher too. She related that much more money can be made in Medellin because the market is skewed by Gringo money, but her mother moved to Bogota and so she followed. Before working as a prostitute she said she begged on the street to survive. She showed me her tiktok, which seems to be her primary creative and social outlet and I don't think she has much knowledge beyond that world. Her goal is to travel to Paris, France- which she associates with the luxury goods she would like to obtain. Sweet girl, probably will repeat but need to get back to 200 mil.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2671212]Ohhh forgot about Tatiana. So after I got her no. And chatted for couple of days. Ended up meeting Monday night. The deal was 150 mil for 2 hours only one way taxi. She showed up with her friend. I felt like buy one get one free deal. After checking in with security, which they kind a gave me a look this time, we took shower first and enjoying our company. Now this girls were really into fun. They are taking turns and telling me. Dale. How I should bang one more then other. That was weird. They did not want to leave so late night I kicked them out. Next day they wanted me to go to Monserrat with them. Sweet girls. I did not pay for any SA, tinder or cupid app. My Spanish is survival level.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report, an interesting read CoolGregg. It sounds like you had a great time with so many girls. I take it you just picked up the girls where they are standing by or inside the doorways of the buildings?

It sounds good because you can try out many girls for a trial run for a cheap price before choosing the right girls to come over for a longer session.

The more I read and watch videos on YouTube, the more excited I get for my trip in May.

[QUOTE=Frogg;2671176]At Parque de los Hippies, along 7th Ave and CL. 60, there are supposed to be informal weed venders. (I got this tip form a Vice News report a while back that I'm unable to locate.) In Bogota they call the weed 'crippa.' When I went to this Hippies Park some years ago, indeed there was a scruffy looking guy hawking 'crippa,' which was not very good, had stems and seeds like 1990s mexican dirt weed we called 'stress' back then. At the park, sales are done low profile, since there is a police presence there. I don't know what you'd find today.[/QUOTE]They are 100% still there. I don't know if its less visible that before, but it is not at all difficult to find someone there selling.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2671241]I'm spending a week exclusively in Santa Fe and will be filing a couple of reports. I'm a mid- 40's, fit white guy with experience mongering in several countries including Colombia. I have visited Santa Fe twice before but each time only really scratched the surface. My goal with this trip is to see how much uncovered action can be negotiated with the street and club girls and to ultimately decide if Santa Fe is a viable option going forward. Please note, I am not a tinder, SA, facebook guy and so my posts will not touch on those strategies. If they work for you, that's fantastic- please continue making them work. My main objection is that on a short stay, too much time is wasted dealing with the screening, set-up, flaking, and other problems that are much easier to deal with on a longer term basis. My guess is that for consistent uncovered service, SA is likely the superior option, but the cost in time and hassle is very high and again- not feasible for a week trip.

Traveling to Colombia at this time is quite easy. Don't forget your vaccination card and that silly Check Mig app (briefly scanned by the immigration officer). This time I flew Avianca and did not check bags or pay for carry-on, cramming all my belongings into a "personal item" that I stowed under my seat. This saves a lot of money- the cheap ticket price that lures you is often doubled by the time you pay for luggage.

I opted to stay at an inexpensive airbnb ($20 a night) situated half-way between Santa Fe and Carrera 7 a short five minute walk to each. Carrera 7 is a great pedestrian walkway that will take you all the way to the Museo de Oro and Plaza Bolivar. There are many places to eat inexpensively, access an ATM, and find drug stores for other needs. This is where you should do your civilian things if you stay in this neighborhood.

In the other direction is Santa Fe. Much has been written here about how "ghetto" or dangerous this neighborhood is and I'm not going to sugar coat it- it is a dump. A warren of about 3 x3 blocks full of dingy motels, potholes, drug dealers, prostitutes, an endless procession of bikers and taxis and roaming homeless young Venezuelan men- its a mongers paradise. I tend to feel that Santa Fe itself is not terribly dangerous but the area due south and south west should be avoided.

Danger can be mitigated by not standing out- I'm a pasty white guy with a bald / shaved head but I fit in quite easily by putting a baseball cap over the white dome, and dressing like a local with jeans and an adidas track jacket. With a mask over my face I'm rarely eyeballed and just assumed to be a local. Aside from wardrobe, just don't get stupid drunk, wear fancy clothes or items, and generally don't be an ass. If you plan on just hopping in and out of an uber I suppose you could wear nicer clothes, but I doubt the girls will really care. They might assume you can pay more. I do walk around at night, but just ignore all panhandlers and sketchy people and so far have been fine.

On the negotiation-as stated before, my goal here is to receive at the very least BBBJ with the ultimate goal of BBFS, CIP, with all the variations in between. A basic level of Spanish is needed for negotiation. First I ask her name, her age, where's she's from. If she looks young I demand to see a cedula (ID). If she does not produce a cedula that means she is under-age and you should walk on. I've been hanging out most on the south end of SF -this is where the Venezuelan spinners congregate, many who are underage, so be careful. A usual offer for a 20 min rato (date) will be 40-50 mil pesos. The hotel room (la pieza) is separate and is usually 8 mil pesos. If you want 40 minutes instead of 20, make sure the girl and hotel know during the negotiation. Once I have the base-price I specify that I need "oral sin condon", at this point she will either refuse or ask for more money-usually double her base rate- so 40 becomes 80,50 becomes 100. If I have an affirmative here I will seal the deal and head to the room. Other services I negotiate while in the room- so if I want a CIM, first I try to see if it can just be had for free, and if not how much more. Usually 20-30 mil extra should do it. The next bit, BBFS can be a little tricker, and often will mean a double of the agreed rate, so 100 mil (50 base+50 BBBJ) becomes 200 mil. Each step up in services acquired is more costly and less likely to be granted by the provider. However, let's remember that 200 mil pesos is about $53 and so to get BBFS plus CIM from a pretty 18 yr Venezuelan spinner, this is really a great deal.

My first day I began with an attractive and slim 19 year old Venezuelan at one of the north end hotels. She agreed to a 50 mil rato plus 50 mil for uncovered BJ. The service was fair to poor- she didn't appear to enjoy blowjobs or cum, but it was still satisfying ejaculating into her 19 yr old mouth. This was about 6 pm and as I was leaving I saw the "night shift' coming on, which seemed to have more talent generally.

After a meal, shower, and few hours later I came back to roam some more. Starting at the clubs, La Troya, Atunes, Paisas, I wasn't feeling the lineups and the club girls start at 70 mil pesos and are much more reluctant to do extras. A friend of mine has related that if you bring club girls out of SF to a nicer hotel or airbnb, extras are much easier to obtain- but I find this one more annoying hoop to jump through.

One of the night-time annoyances of the area to be aware of is all the young men trying to herd you into this or that club where, if successful, they will stick to you like glue until you have a seat and order an overpriced drink of which I'm assuming they get a large cut. It's best to just ignore them and say "luego, luego". After a couple of days I think they recognize me and don't pester me so much.

After walking around a bit more- the south end seems to have the kind of girl I like- young thin spinners- I found a very cute 18 yr old Vennie with cedula who agreed to 100 mil for uncovered BJ. Once in the room, I found her attitude to be great, allowed light deepthroat and some kissing. I asked for BBFS and she agreed for 100 mil more (now 200 mil total). She requested that I not CIP, and so came on her tummy. This was a fantastic session and we got numbers to meet up the next day.

Returning the night after, first I hung out a local bar and watched about 20 drug transactions right in front of me- little white powder packets in one hand, cash in the other. I texted my Vennie from the night before, who said she would be out soon- but instead of waiting I succumbed to temptation- another 18 yr old Vennie at a south end hotel. This girl was legitimately pretty, petite, with perky tits, a beautiful face and blonde braids. She agreed to a 40 k rato plus 40 k for BBBJ. We headed to the room and she delivered- very sexual and very sweet. I requested CIM during the act which she agreed to for an extra 20 mil, so 100 mil total. After sex we talked a bit and I learned she had been in Colombia for 2 years since that age of 16 and working in SF as a prostitute the whole time. She was curious why I asked for her ID, "you don't like young girls? To which I replied it was illegal. She maintained that it was not illegal and that she had no trouble with the police for the previous two years she had been working. Maybe not, maybe so, but the risk is still there for Gringos- especially-to be extorted by either the provider or the police, so again it's best not to break the laws in your home country even if you are abroad. I plan to visit this provider again- she told me that girls do come out on Sundays, so we shall see.

After my session, it was raining heavily, and the girl from the previous night finally showed up and met me in a bar across from Paisas Club. At first she asked for 400 mil to go to my place for a few hours- but I got her down to 300 mil (again included BBBJ, BBFS). I was considering a trio with her friend but the girl didn't show. I was expecting the doorman at my airbnb to check her cedula as this girl looks quite young (mostly because she is a small spinner) but there was no such request and so we just went up to my room. The session was good, but I was a bit tired because I had just fucked a little while ago, and so for much of the 3 hours we just hung out. She told me she had come to Colombia quite recently and had first spent time in Parque Lleras in Medellin, which is why her initial ask is 50 mil not 35 mil and her markup is higher too. She related that much more money can be made in Medellin because the market is skewed by Gringo money, but her mother moved to Bogota and so she followed. Before working as a prostitute she said she begged on the street to survive. She showed me her tiktok, which seems to be her primary creative and social outlet and I don't think she has much knowledge beyond that world. Her goal is to travel to Paris, France- which she associates with the luxury goods she would like to obtain. Sweet girl, probably will repeat but need to get back to 200 mil.[/QUOTE]A really good and informative read; great to see that BBFS is easily negotiated. Similar to you, I am up for finding as much BBFS as possible esp. With 18/19 yos when I arrive in May. An interesting note around inflated prices in Parque Lleras in Medellíand.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2671241]I'm spending a week exclusively in Santa Fe and will be filing a couple of reports. I'm a mid- 40's, fit white guy with experience mongering in several countries including Colombia. I have visited Santa Fe twice before but each time only really scratched the surface. My goal with this trip is to see how much uncovered action can be negotiated with the street and club girls and to ultimately decide if Santa Fe is a viable option going forward. Please note, I am not a tinder, SA, facebook guy and so my posts will not touch on those strategies. If they work for you, that's fantastic- please continue making them work. My main objection is that on a short stay, too much time is wasted dealing with the screening, set-up, flaking, and other problems that are much easier to deal with on a longer term basis. My guess is that for consistent uncovered service, SA is likely the superior option, but the cost in time and hassle is very high and again- not feasible for a week trip.

Traveling to Colombia at this time is quite easy. Don't forget your vaccination card and that silly Check Mig app (briefly scanned by the immigration officer). This time I flew Avianca and did not check bags or pay for carry-on, cramming all my belongings into a "personal item" that I stowed under my seat. This saves a lot of money- the cheap ticket price that lures you is often doubled by the time you pay for luggage.

I opted to stay at an inexpensive airbnb ($20 a night) situated half-way between Santa Fe and Carrera 7 a short five minute walk to each. Carrera 7 is a great pedestrian walkway that will take you all the way to the Museo de Oro and Plaza Bolivar. There are many places to eat inexpensively, access an ATM, and find drug stores for other needs. This is where you should do your civilian things if you stay in this neighborhood.[/QUOTE]Good report and thank you for that.

It's not my mind, just for your info, but next time, before you'll go for bare back make a research on Chlamydiosis and other STD. It's easy to get and see my posts it should be a link to STD you can get getting. Try to think like a smart "Freddie Mercury" before pushing your bare dick at any hole. It can save your life.

Good report. Appreciate the insight and tips on negotiating with street girls. I have sometimes enjoyed BBFS from SA even when I had a short (less than a week trip) I do think there is a flake rate with some the girls not showing up but in general the experiences are GFE with BBBJ and BBFS.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2671241]I'm spending a week exclusively in Santa Fe and will be filing a couple of reports. I'm a mid- 40's, fit white guy with experience mongering in several countries including Colombia. I have visited Santa Fe twice before but each time only really scratched the surface. My goal with this trip is to see how much uncovered action can be negotiated with the street and club girls and to ultimately decide if Santa Fe is a viable option going forward. Please note, I am not a tinder, SA, facebook guy and so my posts will not touch on those strategies. If they work for you, that's fantastic- please continue making them work. My main objection is that on a short stay, too much time is wasted dealing with the screening, set-up, flaking, and other problems that are much easier to deal with on a longer term basis. My guess is that for consistent uncovered service, SA is likely the superior option, but the cost in time and hassle is very high and again- not feasible for a week trip.
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You the man Coolgreg. Hope you did not fuck them mercilessly, they must be walking funny next day. Hehehehe.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2671212]Ohhh forgot about Tatiana. So after I got her no. And chatted for couple of days. Ended up meeting Monday night. The deal was 150 mil for 2 hours only one way taxi. She showed up with her friend. I felt like buy one get one free deal. After checking in with security, which they kind a gave me a look this time, we took shower first and enjoying our company. Now this girls were really into fun. They are taking turns and telling me. Dale. How I should bang one more then other. That was weird. They did not want to leave so late night I kicked them out. Next day they wanted me to go to Monserrat with them. Sweet girls. I did not pay for any SA, tinder or cupid app. My Spanish is survival level.[/QUOTE]

I'm noticing a lot of Airbnb's gravitating towards stricter guest policies, unfortunately.

Has anyone ever stayed in the Paseo Del Lago building by Andino Mall?

Anybody have an Airbnb recommendation around CC Andino / Retiro, or anywhere else around Zona T that is chica friendly?

On the ground in Bogota. Third day here, I'm in my 50's so been acclimating to the altitude. Spending serious time on SA. Some real beauties on there, as in "dimes", have gotten interested responses from everyone I contacted. We'll see if I can score or not! By the way, on SA, if you wait a week or two after signing up before getting the premium membership they send you a coupon link for 20% off so its $88 instead of $110 (for Americans). If anyone needs a wingman in Santa Fe or wants to trade war stories over dinner, PM me. I've been a "traveling man" for over 20 years so I've plenty of war stories.

Goldmembr.

Decided to go with Bogota once again instead of Medellin. I'll be on ground the evening of the 12th through the 20th. I have an Airbnb near SF but the timing didn't work for the ideal place I wanted for the whole time so I will also have a hotel close by.

I'm very experienced with Bogota and will be spending most of my time in SF. If you're interested in meeting up for a drink or to explore, send me a PM. For full disclosure, I'm not a big fan of walking through the streets much (especially late at night) so will likely enjoy my time in the clubs there despite the fact that I have a general distaste for clubs.

Similar to what I did in Rio last summer, I intend to write an "All Inclusive Newbie's Guide to Santa Fe" if my experiences allow for such a thing.

Cheers, Tia.

[QUOTE=DallasDave;2671449]I'm noticing a lot of Airbnb's gravitating towards stricter guest policies, unfortunately.

Has anyone ever stayed in the Paseo Del Lago building by Andino Mall?

Anybody have an Airbnb recommendation around CC Andino / Retiro, or anywhere else around Zona T that is chica friendly?[/QUOTE]Don't know about ABNB, but I stayed at the Hotel NH Collection Bogotá Andino Royal and absolutely no problems at all with bringing girls at all hours of the day and night.

It's a very nice hotel with a great rooftop terraza where I entertained a couple of civvies before banging them (for free) in the room.

At TiaVoyage25 and at GoldMembr. I would love to meet up and share experiences etc, but I cannot DM anyone, because I cannot seem to figure out how to pay the $25 subs. My credit cards are all getting rejected by Coinbase. Does anyone know how I can get around this? My cards are from UK based banks, and phoning the banks and explaining this whilst I'm in Bogota is not so straightforward.

I suspect my cards are not "3 D secure". And in addition, many credit cards do not permit crypto transactions.

Anyway, on a brighter note, I went to a casa on Calle 57 today, Chapinero, and banged 4 chicas, each "un rato" for a 35 K, as a trial run. I don't even do 30 minutes anymore if it's my first time with the girl. I just want to check her attitude, compatibility and general demeaner in the room. Out of the four, I will repeat with two of them for a longer time on my next visit.

One was a Venezualana with a big ass. Perfect. Afterwards, the asked if I wanted her phone number, and if I lived close by. I think she wants to do a private deal, which I would be more than happy with.

[QUOTE=CoolGregg;2671205]Arrived early morning on Thursday. Immigration and custom was super easy. 20 min Total. Took a Uber Straight to Hotel. Nice area quiet on corre 6 & Calle 26. Kind a like new hotel. They did good job remodeling. Woke up late had nice breakfast at hotel. Went to cambio got 3850 for 1 usd. Then straight to Santa Fe. Strolled around. Picked up maria for 50 mil for one leche. She was near Las Vegas residencias. Not a good place. Had good session. No rush from chica but hotel knocks at door within 15 min. Even though you pay for 30 min. I recommend stay away from this place. Wander around just to get the lay of ground for night visit. Took a second lap picked up 1 vennie, she was a bit drama in room. That was a bit mood turn off for me. She tried to gave me a BJ. But could not finish in time. So I did not extend the session after cleaning myself in cold water left place in search of lunch. Ended up picking El virrey. Nice joint. After lunch went to local shop to recharge my sim. I paid 20 mil peso for data only. I don't know what she did in the computer. It did not work. Nice lady though. She is trying to get help from other staff in store to fix problems. No body knows. After half an hour waiting I did not want to waste much time I went to another local shop to recharge. I paid again 20 or 30 mil peso. She couldn't load the data. She tried calling customer service. I was like que pena con mi. She suggested that I should go to claro service center on corr 8 #45. Mean time my scheduled date arrived and was waiting for me downstairs at hotel. She was all panicking as can not contact me. Finally claro figured out and off I go. When I checked my phone had 20 miss calls and WA txt from her. Back to hotel and front desk checked her in..[/QUOTE]Good report Greg.

It was nice meeting you though it was short and uneventful night.

As we were already finished our mongering tasks in Medellin and only one night left in Bogota, could not really sped more time as it was already got late due to know the circumstance you know already.

The next day we went to Monserrate before heading to airport and did not get a chance to say good bye to you.

Hope to return next time and explore more in Bogota and Santa Fe for sure.

Hey guys,

First time poster here. I've got a trip booked to Bogota from all of April to all of May. I've been to Medellin before but that was to go see one girl and be with her so I didn't see anyone else in that time. This time, I'm going to go meet several girls I've been talking to with the expectations of sex (Threesomes and more), some with the expectations of being my guide and showing me around (which I hope ends with sex. Building rapport now), and I'm also interested in getting prepagos / escorts. I'll be doing sight seeing and meeting people too since I won't spend two months of just straight fucking, LOL.

I've got an Airbnb in Chapinero Central on a really high floor that allows guests. Apparently it's near everything so good spot. I specifically read one of the reviews mentioned that guests were not a problem at all so I hit the host up and he was a relatively young dude (more open to allowing visitors for guests as opposed to older hosts or women hosts. At least that's my thought process. So many Airbnb's are antiguest and it's really to ward off anyone from having sex with normal girls and escorts). I emphasized that first and foremost, I needed guests / visitors to my apartment to be okay and he said no problem at all, just take care of the apartment. So I think I'm in the clear to bring back girls, escorts or not, to my place.

Anyways, I'm in my 20's, Hispanic and look it, speak Spanish pretty well which allows me to talk to these girls very easily, college graduate, and am decently attractive. Slightly overweight but you wouldn't know it from just seeing me. I'm in the process of losing weight for this trip anyways. I'm down to meetup with any of you, talk, shoot the shit, and am overall, looking for someone to show me how to navigate prepagos and all that good stuff and have a good time. We can go out and hang out and do mongering together or whatever. Just looking to make these two months extremely memorable with some Colombian and Venezuelan beauties. I don't give a fuck about your age or anything, just be cool and normal and we'll get along just fine.

[QUOTE=ZedLeppelin10;2671852]Hey guys,

First time poster here. I've got a trip booked to Bogota from all of April to all of May. I've been to Medellin before but that was to go see one girl and be with her so I didn't see anyone else in that time. This time, I'm going to go meet several girls I've been talking to with the expectations of sex (Threesomes and more), some with the expectations of being my guide and showing me around (which I hope ends with sex. Building rapport now), and I'm also interested in getting prepagos / escorts. I'll be doing sight seeing and meeting people too since I won't spend two months of just straight fucking, LOL.

I've got an Airbnb in Chapinero Central on a really high floor that allows guests. Apparently it's near everything so good spot. I specifically read one of the reviews mentioned that guests were not a problem at all so I hit the host up and he was a relatively young dude (more open to allowing visitors for guests as opposed to older hosts or women hosts. At least that's my thought process. So many Airbnb's are antiguest and it's really to ward off anyone from having sex with normal girls and escorts). I emphasized that first and foremost, I needed guests / visitors to my apartment to be okay and he said no problem at all, just take care of the apartment. So I think I'm in the clear to bring back girls, escorts or not, to my place..[/QUOTE]Hi Zed.

I will there around same time but I will also go to other cities in Colombia with Bogota as my base, I have been there twice and love the city. Lets meet up. We cal also plan for Amazonia trip.

Pan.

Hey buddy,

I'm in Colombia around then too, most likely Bogota then Medellin. Give me a shout. I've got a subscription so my PMs should be open.

[QUOTE=ZedLeppelin10;2671852]Hey guys,

First time poster here. I've got a trip booked to Bogota from all of April to all of May. I've been to Medellin before but that was to go see one girl and be with her so I didn't see anyone else in that time. This time, I'm going to go meet several girls I've been talking to with the expectations of sex (Threesomes and more), some with the expectations of being my guide and showing me around (which I hope ends with sex. Building rapport now), and I'm also interested in getting prepagos / escorts. I'll be doing sight seeing and meeting people too since I won't spend two months of just straight fucking, LOL.

I've got an Airbnb in Chapinero Central on a really high floor that allows guests. Apparently it's near everything so good spot. I specifically read one of the reviews mentioned that guests were not a problem at all so I hit the host up and he was a relatively young dude (more open to allowing visitors for guests as opposed to older hosts or women hosts. At least that's my thought process. So many Airbnb's are antiguest and it's really to ward off anyone from having sex with normal girls and escorts). I emphasized that first and foremost, I needed guests / visitors to my apartment to be okay and he said no problem at all, just take care of the apartment. So I think I'm in the clear to bring back girls, escorts or not, to my place..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MadMax9336;2671809]Good report Greg.

It was nice meeting you though it was short and uneventful night.

As we were already finished our mongering tasks in Medellin and only one night left in Bogota, could not really sped more time as it was already got late due to know the circumstance you know already.

The next day we went to Monserrate before heading to airport and did not get a chance to say good bye to you.

Hope to return next time and explore more in Bogota and Santa Fe for sure.[/QUOTE]"I recommend stay away from this place." 15 min knock is a part of the game. If a girl tells a client get the fuck off. The locals (not the gringo) start to fight and demand the paid time. After the knock, the next step is, the girl say you that it is the end of your fun because the reception is said that. The client has nothing to do just to except / to buy that. And when he gets out there is no one on the reception to get / address his objections "I paid for 30 min" . That is why. Take it easy. You are not the first and not the last.

Hello,

I am finally back in Bogota. I am real close the Mezzanines for a few days and I had not been before and took a shot. I saw some recent reviews about how the girls there have not been very good since covid. But boy did I luck out. I went around 10:30 am on a Wednesday (today). Walked up the spiral staircase and walked down the hallway to the end. None of the doors were opening and I tried the last two doors and they were locked, so I started to leave and then I noticed one that was partially open. I think #14. It had two rooms in there if that helps for reference, but there was only the one girl and she locked the main door before things got started.

I opened it up and there was an early 20's spinner that was one of the hottest girls I have ever seen. Obviously that is an opinion, but spinner, small boobs, nice face, and "bubbily" is my critera. She was very clean and smelled great. The look that would fit right in if you were out for drinks. Sadly I speak almost no Spanish. Google translate mostly worked but it was a bit awkward. Ended up going with 120 k for an hour with full service, which is also what was posted on the sign. There was no massage and she got right down to business. Covered everything, but she was so hot it did not matter. We had fun for 30 minutes and then chatted with google translate for about 30 more minutes. No rush. Got her Whatsapp and will try getting her to do outcall to be in a more relaxed setting.

Of course all the other reports are accurate with the smaller rooms and smaller tables, but I didn't think it was that bad. I'm 6 feet tall, 195# if that matters for frame of reference. It was fun and I will probably go again, but I wouldn't look at it for a regular thing due to the setup.

I know names don't really help much, but Gabriela was her name.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2638463]There are grouped together around Av. Carrera 15 #104-03, Mezzanine 5 / 6. GPS 4. 689096, -74.047058.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1Y7d556oDwhh_X83ZCec7ItKPaXQ&ll=4.70342240054839%2C-74.04559714999999&z=13[/URL][/QUOTE]Outstanding link and effort to pin and save all the locations with information.

[QUOTE=LumberJackct85;2672372]Hello,

I am finally back in Bogota. I am real close the Mezzanines for a few days and I had not been before and took a shot. I saw some recent reviews about how the girls there have not been very good since covid. But boy did I luck out. I went around 10:30 am on a Wednesday (today). Walked up the spiral staircase and walked down the hallway to the end. None of the doors were opening and I tried the last two doors and they were locked, so I started to leave and then I noticed one that was partially open. I think #14. It had two rooms in there if that helps for reference, but there was only the one girl and she locked the main door before things got started.

I opened it up and there was an early 20's spinner that was one of the hottest girls I have ever seen. Obviously that is an opinion, but spinner, small boobs, nice face, and "bubbily" is my critera. She was very clean and smelled great. The look that would fit right in if you were out for drinks. Sadly I speak almost no Spanish. Google translate mostly worked but it was a bit awkward. Ended up going with 120 k for an hour with full service, which is also what was posted on the sign. There was no massage and she got right down to business. Covered everything, but she was so hot it did not matter. We had fun for 30 minutes and then chatted with google translate for about 30 more minutes. No rush. Got her Whatsapp and will try getting her to do outcall to be in a more relaxed setting.

Of course all the other reports are accurate with the smaller rooms and smaller tables, but I didn't think it was that bad. I'm 6 feet tall, 195# if that matters for frame of reference. It was fun and I will probably go again, but I wouldn't look at it for a regular thing due to the setup.

I know names don't really help much, but Gabriela was her name.[/QUOTE]So I am not sure if it is poor form to quote your own report. But I try to write for guys newer at this and provide a slightly different voice. I promise not to post a single report for every encounter I have, but I thought this was worth updating on.

I went back around 7:10 pm today and took a right when I went up the stairs instead of going straight. There was only one door that was lighted up and it was the last one. I walked in and there was another beautiful woman. Petite, short, braces, and quite the ass. Mid, maybe late 20's. She brought me into one of the rooms right away and quickly found out my lack of Spanish. She was worried about it but then was cool about it. Google translate to the rescue! She was asking if I wanted a lineup and I just said I wanted her and she was very happy. This room was quite a bit smaller than the one I was in earlier in the day. Now I understand the complaints about the small rooms. I just lucked out for my first time.

I do have to say at this point that while I am still extremely happy with my first visit, I was suffering from PTUSES (Post Tramitic United States Escort Syndrom) and I thought it was better than it actually was. The 2nd session I had was so amazing compared to my first. She was super cool and just wanted to make me happy. Again we did about 30 minutes of sexual fun, but with the small table and room it was a bit tough to perform. Covered BJ and FS but again, not a problem because she was so hot. Lots of ball licking without asking. She was very receptive to GFE and we ended up laying together while DFK and her jerking me off without the condom. We both sat up and cleaned up and I was expecting it to be over but she then motioned for the massage. She really did a good job and there was a knock about 45 minutes in, but she went out and sorted it out and gave me another 15-20 minutes without me even asking. Looking back, I was basically saying Si to everything and I think I initially agreed to 45 minutes but then agreed to an hour while she was on top of me.

After we were done she was getting dressed and she was having trouble getting her jeans up because her ass was so great. I happily helped. I love Bogota. After reading the forum for years I understand that A) Everyone has different preferences and B) Some people prefer just banging vs GFE. I prefer the GFE and I got it at Mezzanine.

So yeah. Not trying to dispute other people's experiences with lack of good talent there, but I had a great experiences early and then at the end of the night without even shopping around. I can't wait for the fun I will find over the next couple of weeks.

Now I just need to figure out how to get the spell check to go back to English vs Spanish. Almost every single word I type is underlined in red. Sorry for any spelling erors!

Newbie here. First night out in Colombia. I did some research on here, reached out to Woodman and we were able to coordinate a tour tonight.

Coming from the states, Santa Fe area feels pretty rough at night, especially with all the horror stories of mugging and pickpocketing. Glad I did the tour. Woodman is a chill guy and he looks out for you.

We took a walk around the streets. A couple of gems out there, but I enjoyed the clubs much more. Less hectic, you can sit, chill, drink and admire the view almost like a Miami strip club.

Spotted this 7. 5-8/10 spinner named Dinelli? At the very first club Troya and knew I had to come back after the tour. Troya and Fiebre seems to have the best girls in the area.

I saw some warning signs before, but I was thinking with the wrong head. While we were drinking and talking, I noticed she was a very quiet girl by nature and didn't smile much.

Did an hour session. Was quoted 180 mil but talked down 150 mil. Felt like I still got overcharged but she was the hottest girl in the room and she knew it.

I would not repeat again. She gave her best effort but was very mechanical. I had experiences before and expected the Latina energy and passion.

There was none. Felt very cold.

Learn from my mistakes, my brothers. Don't make a beeline for the prettiest face or the sexiest body. Slow down for a moment and take into account her flirtiness and attitude.

Keep the reports coming. How do you find about these Mezzanines? I do not want to go and knock on the wrong door.

[QUOTE=LumberJackct85;2672529]So I am not sure if it is poor form to quote your own report. But I try to write for guys newer at this and provide a slightly different voice. I promise not to post a single report for every encounter I have, but I thought this was worth updating on.

I went back around 7:10 pm today and took a right when I went up the stairs instead of going straight. There was only one door that was lighted up and it was the last one. I walked in and there was another beautiful woman. Petite, short, braces, and quite the ass. Mid, maybe late 20's. She brought me into one of the rooms right away and quickly found out my lack of Spanish. She was worried about it but then was cool about it. Google translate to the rescue! She was asking if I wanted a lineup and I just said I wanted her and she was very happy. This room was quite a bit smaller than the one I was in earlier in the day. Now I understand the complaints about the small rooms. I just lucked out for my first time.

I do have to say at this point that while I am still extremely happy with my first visit, I was suffering from PTUSES (Post Tramitic United States Escort Syndrom) and I thought it was better than it actually was. The 2nd session I had was so amazing compared to my first. She was super cool and just wanted to make me happy. Again we did about 30 minutes of sexual fun, but with the small table and room it was a bit tough to perform. Covered BJ and FS but again, not a problem because she was so hot. Lots of ball licking without asking. She was very receptive to GFE and we ended up laying together while DFK and her jerking me off without the condom. We both sat up and cleaned up and I was expecting it to be over but she then motioned for the massage. She really did a good job and there was a knock about 45 minutes in, but she went out and sorted it out and gave me another 15-20 minutes without me even asking. Looking back, I was basically saying Si to everything and I think I initially agreed to 45 minutes but then agreed to an hour while she was on top of me.

After we were done she was getting dressed and she was having trouble getting her jeans up because her ass was so great. I happily helped. I love Bogota. After reading the forum for years I understand that A) Everyone has different preferences and B) Some people prefer just banging vs GFE. I prefer the GFE and I got it at Mezzanine.

So yeah. Not trying to dispute other people's experiences with lack of good talent there, but I had a great experiences early and then at the end of the night without even shopping around. I can't wait for the fun I will find over the next couple of weeks.

Now I just need to figure out how to get the spell check to go back to English vs Spanish. Almost every single word I type is underlined in red. Sorry for any spelling erors![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Roshambo;2672569]
I would not repeat again. She gave her best effort but was very mechanical. I had experiences before and expected the Latina energy and passion.

There was none. Felt very cold.

Learn from my mistakes, my brothers. Don't make a beeline for the prettiest face or the sexiest body. Slow down for a moment and take into account her flirtiness and attitude.[/QUOTE]Smart move taking woodman's tour to start the trip and get a lay of the land.

That being said, your mistake was getting an hour session with an SF girl inside an SF club without first getting the standard 15-20 minute test ride. As a general rule of thumb, don't expect anything close to GFE. If you want that you either have to discuss it beforehand or go to a venue where that is more common (like casas in Chapinero).

A habit that has typically worked for me in the past is to become friendly with a specific waiter in each club. I tip them well (they make pennies on the peso) and occasionally will get them a beer. If I'm getting good vibes from them I'll ask their opinion about specific girls who work there. Time and time again it has paid off.

This is the concluding chapter in my two part post detailing my week in Santa Fe.

[B] To restate, the main goal here was to determine the viability of Santa Fe for uncovered options specifically and as a location worth considering generally. [/B]

During week (s) long sex benders many things become a blur but I will try to retrieve some more relevant details from the fog of war. First I should state I've been somewhat sidetracked in my investigations (as often occurs) by the 18 yr old spinner Vennie who I've been seeing daily in addition to my other field work. It turns out she lives with her family (mother and younger brothers) literally a block away from me and so the convenience and established standard of service has been hard to refuse. At this point we've established a 1. 5 hour session with BBFS and CIM (finally) for 150 mil pesos. I get the feeling the mother sends her over when they need grocery money.

An unfortunate rato in one of the south end hotels ended after five minutes once I determined the girl had a terrible attitude- something I should've sensed on the street but was too eager to get my wad out. The deal was for 40 mil + 40 mil uncovered BJ. I offered her a kill fee of 40 which she refused saying it was my fault, not hers, as she was willing to continue, threatening to involve the police if she was not paid in full. It's hard to say exactly what's fair in a situation like this but I ended up giving her 70 mil and got out of there.

Bad experiences like this are often useful because they temper your decision making in the heat of the moment. Santa Fe may be full of a variety of tempting ladies, but you should keep in mind that not all of them are going to be positive experiences no matter how they look, and sometimes the best thing to do is refrain from pulling the trigger. I feel like if nothing else, it's fun to just circle the block a few times and soak it all in. Be very aware of the vibes the girl is giving off- but ultimately it's only in the room where you will really know what she will be like. As another poster has stated, start small with 15-20 minute transactions in order to mitigate this risk. Sometimes the most enthusiastic girl is a dud who just wanted to get paid, and the quiet shy ones are total freaks- there's really no way to know until you try.

A consensus seems to be building here that the best two clubs are Troya and Fiebre- these are also the two cubs most often full inside, and without annoying touts trying to herd you in- surely there is a correlation. Of the remaining, Atunes and Paisa are sometimes passable, Venus and California are pathetic. I'm sure there are a couple I'm forgetting. One of the primary differences I've noticed is that where you can find vernal spinners and flaca Vennies quite easily on the streets, the club girls are generally much thicker with fake body parts. If you like this sort of thing, that should be a draw- personally this is not my jam. Another distinction is uncovered service and pricing. Club girls seem less likely to agree to anything uncovered, and seem to have a higher standard rato of 60 mil or 70 mil to start. To summarize, if you like big fake tits and don't mind covered sex- you will love the clubs- the quality is easily what you would find at Gustos in Medellin at a mere fraction of the price and none of the terrible attitude.

Given this, my club experiences were not fantastic and not terribly memorable. One girl at Troya offered me a 40 mil rato plus 40 mil for uncovered service and actually gave a quite enthusiastic performance but I realized in the room that she was just too thick for me to get excited. I really admire you guys that can get rock hard every time the wind blows- as I get older I get pickier and more fussy and everything needs to be perfectly aligned. She had fantastic tits, however, and it was great sucking on those and making out with her.

Another stacked Paisa beauty at Fiebre (best looking girls are at this club IMO), offered a 60 mil rato plus 60 mil uncovered BJ, COF. This experience was much better- this girl's face was beautiful, and it was a joy dumping a load on her cheek- but still there was something lacking, no real connection and a mechanical feel.

So what are my thoughts after a week in SF? I think there are a few categories to consider.

[B] Cost: [/B]

This has hands down been the cheapest sex vacation I've ever had, getting CIM for approx $25, and BBFS for $50 is hard to do outside of Asia. If you're looking for an inexpensive location- I think it's hard to beat SF in the Western Hemisphere. Centro in Medellin might be comparable, but I think SF has it bested by a narrow margin.

[B] Service: [/B]

Unlike previous trips, I successfully cracked the "uncovered" service code and was able to find what I needed. Mostly this just involved more extensive canvasing of the area, which after you lose the timidity and initial fear becomes easier. That being said- these short impersonal ratos are not always the best time. The 15-20 minute window feels so rushed, and it's hard to get excited about being guy number 5 out of 10 for the night. Once the initial thrill of the first few days, it becomes a bit dreary. If you are regular dude, and not a priapic pornstar with a 4 girl a day pro forma appetite, it can be hard to stay excited by this scene. Mongers familiar with Brazilian levels of service will ultimately be disappointed. Club girls are a notch higher than street girls in terms of service, but if you are looking for GFE, good luck. Not happening in SF. I will however repeat- SF clubs are amazing if you like cheap, quick covered sex with sometimes pretty girls with big fake tits, but really not great for mongers with other tastes or needs.

[B] Ambiance: [/B]

The place is a shit-hole. After a week of slinking around on the potholed, chaotic and filthy streets, I have little desire to return knowing that beautiful locations like Copacabana exist. Add to that Bogota is cold and wet and there isn't really much else to do- the overall ambience is lacking. As previously mentioned, one of the main hazards of the area are the unemployed and shiftless Venezuelan boys and young men who mill around SF making trouble. Staying in an Airbnb close by was convenient in a sense, but I needed to walk a bit to Downtown or Carrera 7 before anything resembled civilization.

[B] Summary: [/B]

Santa Fe is a one of a kind experience that is probably best in small doses of 3 days. Land on a Thursday, and exit on a Sunday and you should be fine. Longer stay mongers could create a balanced sex diet in Bogota by rotating between Santa Fe, Chapinero casas, upscale Chico area clubs, SA and Tinder. Since I'm not a huge fan of any of the latter options, I'm coming to the conclusion that I am not a huge fan of Bogota generally. The best luck here seems to be had by mongers willing to do the hard work of establishing SA connections- but even that seems hit and miss from what I can gather. Basic Spanish is a must.

I'm not sure I will return anytime soon- but hopefully these two trip reports have been somewhat illuminating to those of you sitting on the fence. It's always fun doing this kind of research, looking forward to more field work this summer in SEA.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2672791]This is the concluding chapter in my two part post detailing my week in Santa Fe.

[B] Summary: [/B]

Santa Fe is a one of a kind experience that is probably best in small doses of 3 days. Land on a Thursday, and exit on a Sunday and you should be fine. Longer stay mongers could create a balanced sex diet in Bogota by rotating between Santa Fe, Chapinero casas, upscale Chico area clubs, SA and Tinder. Since I'm not a huge fan of any of the latter options, I'm coming to the conclusion that I am not a huge fan of Bogota generally. The best luck here seems to be had by mongers willing to do the hard work of establishing SA connections- but even that seems hit and miss from what I can gather. Basic Spanish is a must.

I'm not sure I will return anytime soon- but hopefully these two trip reports have been somewhat illuminating to those of you sitting on the fence. It's always fun doing this kind of research, looking forward to more field work this summer in SEA.[/QUOTE]Your reviews were a good read; balanced and informative. Bogotá itself it actually a really cool city when venturing out for the night with the civvies. I'd say give it another go with a different target to what you set out for this time. But you can't go wrong with with 1. 5 hours with an 18 year old BBFS and CIM. Just great value and I cannot wait to sample for myself in May.

Thanks for the reports RakSopheni.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2672791]This is the concluding chapter in my two part post detailing my week in Santa Fe.

[B] Summary: [/B]

Santa Fe is a one of a kind experience that is probably best in small doses of 3 days. Land on a Thursday, and exit on a Sunday and you should be fine. Longer stay mongers could create a balanced sex diet in Bogota by rotating between Santa Fe, Chapinero casas, upscale Chico area clubs, SA and Tinder. Since I'm not a huge fan of any of the latter options, I'm coming to the conclusion that I am not a huge fan of Bogota generally. The best luck here seems to be had by mongers willing to do the hard work of establishing SA connections- but even that seems hit and miss from what I can gather. Basic Spanish is a must.

I'm not sure I will return anytime soon- but hopefully these two trip reports have been somewhat illuminating to those of you sitting on the fence. It's always fun doing this kind of research, looking forward to more field work this summer in SEA.[/QUOTE]Phenomenal summary. I agree with you on pretty much all fronts, especially the Brazil parts. I have a tough time comparing the two because there's a lot of overlap in terms of quality, price, etc. It just depends on what kind of scene you're going for I guess. I wrote a "All Inclusive Newbie's Guide to Rio" last summer and one of my big takeaways is that it is hard to beat the beaches of Ipanema combined with the termas. And nothing in this world compares to Scandallo in Sao Paulo.

Your point about for stays of a week or more rings true to me. I like to spend most of my time in SF because of the sheer volume of options, but it starts to eat away at you after a few days. Mixing things up with Chapinero casas, Mezzanine, etc. All make for a more diverse experience, but also requires more work, time in a taxi, etc. And like another member said, there are tons of fun things to do in the city as well outside of the hobby, if it suits your interests.

In all, I'm glad you had a great experience and were willing to share with the rest of us. I'll be on ground later this weekend and since it has been a little over a year for me, I'm curious to see how things have changed!

[QUOTE=PeterPan77;2672156]Hi Zed.

I will there around same time but I will also go to other cities in Colombia with Bogota as my base, I have been there twice and love the city. Lets meet up. We cal also plan for Amazonia trip..[/QUOTE]Hey Pan, tried to PM you. Down to meet up though.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2672719]Smart move taking woodman's tour to start the trip and get a lay of the land.

That being said, your mistake was getting an hour session with an SF girl inside an SF club without first getting the standard 15-20 minute test ride. As a general rule of thumb, don't expect anything close to GFE. If you want that you either have to discuss it beforehand or go to a venue where that is more common (like casas in Chapinero).

A habit that has typically worked for me in the past is to become friendly with a specific waiter in each club. I tip them well (they make pennies on the peso) and occasionally will get them a beer. If I'm getting good vibes from them I'll ask their opinion about specific girls who work there. Time and time again it has paid off.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the good advice!

I went out partying with some Colombian hombres last night. Non-working girls here are super friendly and really know how to grind on you while dancing.

Connected with this girl but she was playing super hard to get. Would leave pretending to be angry and then come back. Repeat over and over again.

Got tired of games around midnight and left. My friends and I went to a casa after. I was too drunk to remember the location but will ask later.

At first I was very underwhelmed. It was a tiny strip club with 4-5 girls there. The girls were all 3-4/10. The one dancing on stage was 4-5/10 and smelled really bad. She was super aggressive and I had to tell her to get off of me.

My friends told me to relax and wait. More girls will come later. We got a bottle of rum which was around $70 and chilled.

Boy were they right. An hour later 3 8-8.5/10 girls came in. They first started dancing with the regulars and owners but eventually made their way to us.

Bought the drink for the hottest one there and asked for price. She quoted me 300 k for an hour.

At this point I was exhausted and also smarter from my previous experience. I tried using my limited Spanish to get her to come home with me.

She didn't want to leave, I gave her my number and told her if she wanted to meet outside I'll take care of her.

Some interesting topics came up throughout the night. My Colombian friends enjoy cases but they never venture down to Santa Fe.

They agree that there are some hot girls there, but they are scared as fuck to go down. 1 they don't like the lack of GFE and 2 they say guys wait to jump you while you wait for uber.

Summary:

Sometime the later the better at some casa locations.

Even Colombian guys are wary of SF.

I'm not saying don't go down there, but you need a guide, company or a lot of street smarts.

[QUOTE=Roshambo;2673061]

Summary:

Sometime the later the better at some casa locations.

Even Colombian guys are wary of SF.

I'm not saying don't go down there, but you need a guide, company or a lot of street smarts.[/QUOTE]Glad to hear you had a mostly good time. The first time I came to Colombia I actually knew nothing about the mongering scene. I came with a friend to meet up with a Colombian friend we knew from back home but had moved back to Colombia. He took us out all over Bogota and we had the time of our lives. I even had a Colombian girlfriend for a while. The locals know of more discreet and lesser known casas all over the city. They're really big into the online scene as well.

As for SF, I can second that even normal Colombian guys tread carefully. The first time I mentioned it to my Colombian friend his eyes lit up and portrayed a clear sense of extreme apprehension. He warned of its dangers, not being there late at night alone, etc. The place is dangerous and there are only so many things one can do to mitigate risk. Because of my background, the way I look, and my youth, I feel relatively comfortable moving around there. But it should be noted that only makes me LESS of a target. I, and everyone else there, is still a target of opportunity. By employing some common sense principles like staying where there's a lot of people, not pulling out huge wads of cash, keeping your phone in your pocket (if you bring it at all), dressing like a Colombian to the best of your ability, leaving the jewelry at home, walking like you belong, making sure the waiter opens your beer in front of you, and having some situational awareness will go a way in avoiding trouble. And for the love of all that is holy, if you're going to go to SF, stick to the main areas where the most people are located. Woodman does a good job explaining it on his tour and there are areas you most certainly would want to avoid.

Hi guys,

Will be heading soon to Bogota.

Any suggestions where to book accomodation.

Primary goal is having nice appartment, chill time on balcony with nice view.

Last time I had my lesson about how greedy Colombianas are so this time focus is on good appartment, nice food and cheap weed)).

If someone will be around from 23rd for 10 days let me know so we can go grab a beer or two.

Not sure how many days will stay in Bogota, but at least 3 for sure.

Then Medellin and Cartagena.

I'm going to be in Bogota just one day next Friday and looking to hit some of the chapinero daytime casas in the afternoon.

I see that the Tantra Spa may be good and possibly Rosquillas on Calle 64. I see lots of casas on the map but not sure how.

Current the information is. I. E. Which ones are open and what are the good ones.

Can anyone recommend any other chapinero casas which are known to be good. I. e. Known to be open, the best possible quality even if not necessarily at low prices.

And negotiable extras. Thanks in advance and I'll be sure to report my findings afterwards.

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2672791] Santa Fe is a one of a kind experience that is probably best in small doses of 3 days. Land on a Thursday, and exit on a Sunday and you should be fine. Longer stay mongers could create a balanced sex diet in Bogota by rotating between Santa Fe, Chapinero casas, upscale Chico area clubs, SA and Tinder. Since I'm not a huge fan of any of the latter options, I'm coming to the conclusion that I am not a huge fan of Bogota generally. The best luck here seems to be had by mongers willing to do the hard work of establishing SA connections- but even that seems hit and miss from what I can gather. Basic Spanish is a must.
[/QUOTE]This part I agree with you 1000%. Brazil has a better P4 P market. Colombia is just cheaper and closer.

I also agree with you weather wise. I prefer high 80's, clear, and frequently sunny. To me, Bogota has a Northern California / Seattle weather vibe to it, but some people actually like that.

When I first went to Colombia, I did the P4 P thing and was underwhelmed both by the sexual encounters and beauty of the women. Routard said it best, "It's cultural of course, as Colombians are genuinely nice people and girls are full of passion and tenderness. " Until you dive in and get to know the women, and I used SA to do this, that is something you will not see in the P4 P world. And of the three women I went deep with, sexually, they were all the same: they literally worshipped my cock in a way other women never have.

I get that not all guys have the time to invest in that or the desire for a relationship but IMO that is what makes Colombia and Colombian women special. From a pure P4 P perspective, Bogota has cheap and plentiful women but iffy quality. I had better sexual encounters in Brazil (way better), Argentina, Paraguay, and even Peru (despite the lack of beauties there). Despite all the reports here, for P4 P, Colombia would be in my second tier: I would throw it in with Venezuela, Bolivia, Uruguay, and Ecuador. I think even Mexico has better P4 P options than Colombia.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2673246]I'm going to be in Bogota just one day next Friday and looking to hit some of the chapinero daytime casas in the afternoon.

I see that the Tantra Spa may be good and possibly Rosquillas on Calle 64. I see lots of casas on the map but not sure how.

Current the information is. I. E. Which ones are open and what are the good ones.

Can anyone recommend any other chapinero casas which are known to be good. I. e. Known to be open, the best possible quality even if not necessarily at low prices.

And negotiable extras. Thanks in advance and I'll be sure to report my findings afterwards.[/QUOTE]I have not been to those for years since I moved out of Chapinero and this was Pre Venezolana-.

When I was living there there were casas near Transmileno Stations from Marley to Calle 76.

I literally lived Less than 5 minutes from one and would often stop in for some Quick Sexy Fun, LOL.

You should go to La Mezzanine-- I used to go but it has been years.

But there are a Lotta recent positive posts get there at 12:30-3. Usually some Hot Fresh Girls.

Or Go to Atunes in Santa Fe-- the only Daytime club brothel -- Nice big club Carrera 16 a and Calle 23.

[QUOTE=Roshambo;2673061]Summary:

Sometime the later the better at some casa locations.

Even Colombian guys are wary of SF.

I'm not saying don't go down there, but you need a guide, company or a lot of street smarts.[/QUOTE]Wow, your Colombian friends must be definitely rich or silver spooned, which actually makes sense if they speak good English.

Normal Colombian guys, as in the 95% of the population, are definitely not scared of SF! This neighborhood is pretty safe by Colombian standards. It's always packed with policemen in service and not in service as well. I've never ever witnessed a robbery or something sketchy on the streets nor inside the places.

When I was young (university student) I always went there by transmilenio so even public transportation is safe. In 2022 I went there 3 times with my own car, and parked without issues. I drive an automatic and not so old car, worth maybe USD 20 k and wasn't scared at all to park it inside SF.

My only recommendation is always stay in the crowded areas, that would be KR 15,16 and 16 A between Calle 23 and Calle 24. So 3 complete blocks where everything is safe.

Carrera 15 from Calle 22 to Calle 23 is also safe.

Some streets to the south in Calle 19 you find the infamous "enrejadas" which are prostitutes behind bars / gates, they charge incredibly low like 15 k and their normal customers are homeless people. Here is where a normal Colombian guy might start to get a bit scared.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2672668]Keep the reports coming. How do you find about these Mezzanines? I do not want to go and knock on the wrong door.[/QUOTE]You don't even need to knock the door. The girls themselves will open all the doors and go out in sexy outfits trying to lure you in! They will see you going upstairs in the cameras.

Basically once you finish going up the stairs you have 2 options.

1. go to your right to the end of the hallway, where you find mezzanine 8 which is the last door. Here maybe you need to knock because this door is facing the street so girls are not going out in underwear.

2. keep going straight to the mezzanines in the back of the building which are not facing the street. Here all the doors are used for prostitution and the girls will open and invite you in very cheerfully.

Also the only door in the Mezzanine that is not used for prostitution is a restaurant which is always open and even has the tables outside. So it's impossible to get lost.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2673157]Glad to hear you had a mostly good time. The first time I came to Colombia I actually knew nothing about the mongering scene. I came with a friend to meet up with a Colombian friend we knew from back home but had moved back to Colombia. He took us out all over Bogota and we had the time of our lives. I even had a Colombian girlfriend for a while. The locals know of more discreet and lesser known casas all over the city. They're really big into the online scene as well.

As for SF, I can second that even normal Colombian guys tread carefully. The first time I mentioned it to my Colombian friend his eyes lit up and portrayed a clear sense of extreme apprehension. He warned of its dangers, not being there late at night alone, etc. The place is dangerous and there are only so many things one can do to mitigate risk. Because of my background, the way I look, and my youth, I feel relatively comfortable moving around there. But it should be noted that only makes me LESS of a target. I, and everyone else there, is still a target of opportunity. By employing some common sense principles like staying where there's a lot of people, not pulling out huge wads of cash, keeping your phone in your pocket (if you bring it at all), dressing like a Colombian to the best of your ability, leaving the jewelry at home, walking like you belong, making sure the waiter opens your beer in front of you, and having some situational awareness will go a way in avoiding trouble. And for the love of all that is holy, if you're going to go to SF, stick to the main areas where the most people are located. Woodman does a good job explaining it on his tour and there are areas you most certainly would want to avoid.[/QUOTE]Lets assume your not a drunk Gringo and have some street savvy, SF is still dangerous. There are some on this site that will down play the dangers of SF because they have an ax to grind. But ruling out the obvious, jewelry, phone cash etc First, dressing like a local is not guaranteed safety, good advice but not fail safe. Most people who get robbed or even killed in Bogota are Colombians living in Bogota. Having been to Bogota many many times over the last 15 years and having a Casacita for a novia I've seen way too many tragedies. Just in her family, who are life long residents of Bogota and are very very street smart, have been victims. Her father, a taxi driver and before that a bus driver has been shot 4 times. Twice by thieves who jumped on his bus to rob the passengers and twice, a block from his house. Once in the leg and once in the head. He spent 2 months in a coma but the tough ass Latino recovered and is driving his taxi. Her mother was robbed of her pay, a common occurrence on Fridays, payday, at gunpoint in a little town S / W of Bogota where she worked. Countless phones lost by all family members, all mugged numerous times. And don't get a feeling your safe in a crowded place because most of the muggings happen where there are lots of people and historically Bogotanos DON"T get involved. Follow the advice of the member above but remember most crimes are random and can happen in a flash so stay vigilant and be safe. Nothing ruins a trip like a mugging or jail.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2673421]Lets assume your not a drunk Gringo and have some street savvy, SF is still dangerous. There are some on this site that will down play the dangers of SF because they have an ax to grind. But ruling out the obvious, jewelry, phone cash etc First, dressing like a local is not guaranteed safety, good advice but not fail safe. Most people who get robbed or even killed in Bogota are Colombians living in Bogota. Having been to Bogota many many times over the last 15 years and having a Casacita for a novia I've seen way too many tragedies. Just in her family, who are life long residents of Bogota and are very very street smart, have been victims. Her father, a taxi driver and before that a bus driver has been shot 4 times. Twice by thieves who jumped on his bus to rob the passengers and twice, a block from his house. Once in the leg and once in the head. He spent 2 months in a coma but the tough ass Latino recovered and is driving his taxi. Her mother was robbed of her pay, a common occurrence on Fridays, payday, at gunpoint in a little town S / W of Bogota where she worked. Countless phones lost by all family members, all mugged numerous times. And don't get a feeling your safe in a crowded place because most of the muggings happen where there are lots of people and historically Bogotanos DON"T get involved. Follow the advice of the member above but remember most crimes are random and can happen in a flash so stay vigilant and be safe. Nothing ruins a trip like a mugging or jail.[/QUOTE]Being mugged is not the end of the world. In Colombia and probably in all Latin America I recommend not taking the latest iphone out of the hotel and just go out with a cheap android phone. Also don't take too much money in cash at once (this one is pretty obvious everywhere in the world I think). Then if you actually get mugged, you do nothing stupid like fighting or arguing, you just hand your trash android phone + the little money you took out from the hotel. No trip should be ruined for that IMO. Of course a different story is getting shot or stabbed, and yes that happens to a lot of Colombians every day. But not in the SF or in the most touristry places. And as I said if you don't fight or argue and just hand all your belongings you should be fine.

But I stand my point about the SF neighborhood. It's extremely safe at least if your worry is getting robbed. Let's put it like this, a lot of Colombian thieves visit the SF often, but when they go there is to spend the loot, they are not "working" there.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2666858]My usual approach is to start talking to them, introduce myself, small talk, start feeling them up and grinding on her, if the response is good I will ask about un rato.[/QUOTE]Looking for a guide to help me out during the trip (can't speak Spanish) - will be there from 18th all the way till the end of the month. Thanks a lot.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2673419]

My only recommendation is always stay in the crowded areas, that would be KR 15,16 and 16 A between Calle 23 and Calle 24. So 3 complete blocks where everything is safe.

Carrera 15 from Calle 22 to Calle 23 is also safe.

Some streets to the south in Calle 19 you find the infamous "enrejadas" which are prostitutes behind bars / gates, they charge incredibly low like 15 k and their normal customers are homeless people. Here is where a normal Colombian guy might start to get a bit scared.

[/QUOTE]Thanks Aureliano for the details on the Calles and Carreras in Santa Fé. It's good to know which streets to base the walks on.

For those who want an idea on the lay of the land, I found City Walks' page on YouTube quite useful; bar the intro where he plays an opening theme tune, the entire walk has no background music so it gives you a sense of the sights and sounds of the area. Link to one of the walks: [URL]https://youtu.be/ofEDGiQbxRc[/URL].

JW.

Went to SF on Tuesday-- Was a little slow on the streets-- I went to Atonis and there were 12+ girls at least 7+ that I wanted to session with just sitting around-actually had been with 4 of them before) They were actually practicing lapdances and teaching the new girls how to eat each other out LOL-- just about 8 guys or so were there. Had a great session with my favorite a Great GFE quickee. Did not get robbed or stabbed.

Went to SF on Wednesday showing this guy around walked around checked out the SGs was a ok-- We went to Troya, Atonis and Venus was good, Did not get robbed or stabbed.

Went on Friday twice once early to see mi Favorita and then later about 1 am to show another ISGer around-- Early was off the hook in the streets and all the clubs were happening. At 1 am we went to Troya was ok. Atonis was Really good lotsa talent I would definitely get with. Venus was off the hook Many many hot College Co-ed looking girls-- We had beers the guy I was with sessioned with a pretty hot girl. We then went to Fiebre was pretty good-- We did not get robbed or stabbed.

Landed in Bogota last night and was in my hotel within an hour of landing. Moving to an Airbnb later today to be closer to SF.

Around 10 pm I decided to wander over to SF. I knew the clubs would be closed because Woodman was kind enough to give me a heads up. Elections are going on so Ley Seca is in effect until tomorrow morning. Walking around I saw a few decent SGs but was largely unimpressed from what is normally in the clubs. If I had to guess, I probably saw 50 girls actively working, though there are always many others casually walking around, hanging out with their friends, or grabbing snacks in shops. Of the 50 or so actively working across the main 3 ish block area, about 6 or 7 were in the 7+ range. Saw one 9 but she was obviously busy pretty much the entire time I was there. The police presence seemed to be a little extra, but I expect that is because of the election.

I walked around for about an hour before finally deciding on a tall Colombiana. 7 in the face and I thought 7. 5 in the body. I was deceived by her choice of clothing because once it came off I wasn't that impressed. She did her job well though and without complaints. When the knock came she said to not worry about it and kept going. I finished, cleaned up, and gave her a small propina, though she didn't ask. Total was 40 k including the propina I gave. I have noticed that the Colombianas tend to ask for more than the Venezuelans. As I walked out I noticed that police seemed to be ushering people to leave. I don't think there was a curfew but I expect they wanted to get people to bed so they could vote in the election today LOL.

On a different note, I must revise my previous statements regarding safety. I did a bit of research and examined the crime maps of Bogota, specifically Santa Fe. The whole of SF is the most dangerous zone in Bogota, but on surface level that is deceiving. SF is actually a pretty large area and the farther south and west you go, the worse it gets. The SF we frequent is on the most northeastern tip, which is heavily policed and tons of people walking around at pretty much all times. Honestly, the most dangerous part of SF to me is getting there and leaving, as some of the surrounding areas can be sketchy. Once I'm inside I breathe a little easier.

In summary, I too did not get robbed or stabbed.

[URL]https://youtu.be/OsTgrqSzQ7A[/URL]

How does this compare?

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2673968]Landed in Bogota last night and was in my hotel within an hour of landing. Moving to an Airbnb later today to be closer to SF.

Around 10 pm I decided to wander over to SF. I knew the clubs would be closed because Woodman was kind enough to give me a heads up. Elections are going on so Ley Seca is in effect until tomorrow morning. Walking around I saw a few decent SGs but was largely unimpressed from what is normally in the clubs. If I had to guess, I probably saw 50 girls actively working, though there are always many others casually walking around, hanging out with their friends, or grabbing snacks in shops. Of the 50 or so actively working across the main 3 ish block area, about 6 or 7 were in the 7+ range. Saw one 9 but she was obviously busy pretty much the entire time I was there. The police presence seemed to be a little extra, but I expect that is because of the election.

I walked around for about an hour before finally deciding on a tall Colombiana. 7 in the face and I thought 7. 5 in the body. I was deceived by her choice of clothing because once it came off I wasn't that impressed. She did her job well though and without complaints. When the knock came she said to not worry about it and kept going. I finished, cleaned up, and gave her a small propina, though she didn't ask. Total was 40 k including the propina I gave. I have noticed that the Colombianas tend to ask for more than the Venezuelans. As I walked out I noticed that police seemed to be ushering people to leave. I don't think there was a curfew but I expect they wanted to get people to bed so they could vote in the election today LOL..[/QUOTE]

Last time I was in Santa Fe I did not get robbed or stabbed either. But I had a weird guy follow me. And say things to me. Not sure if he would pull out a knife or try to sell me drugs. So I ducked into a small corner restaurant and waited there for 10-15 minutes and then left, half walking, half running until I got to my hotel San Francisco.

Landed late Friday night, headed to the Grand Park Hotel. Looked good in pics, but hated it when I arrived. A girl I met on Milerotico in August met me at the hotel and stayed the night. Next morning, I booked a room at the Embassy Suites by Hilton. Should've booked there the first time.

Santa Fe:

Next morning, I went to Santa Fe to checkout the scene. Had a quick visit with a cute girl (name slipped my mind) for 40 k. Probably overpaid for the services, nothing to write home about. Didn't get stabbed. LOL. I didn't walk around either. Just had the car sit outside and wait on me. I prefer driving around, negotiating at the car window, and then getting out and going in. It could be the safest place in the world and that's how I would do it. It's easier, my driver can help me negotiate, and everything is settled before I even step out of the car.

Mezzanine:

Next, I went to Mezzanine. Didn't know where it was, but saw another post that said it was near the Dann Carlton Hotel. I googled Mezzanine and Ababellas de la 104 popped up and it was close to Dann Carlton. Had the driver take me there. Saw "Mezzanine" signs outside on the second floor of the building. Walked up the stairs (stairs are outside: from other posts I somehow thought this was inside cause the girls would open the doors in lingerie. Nope, it's outside and the door opens up to the outside) and walked around towards the back. The first door opened and the girl that opened was gorgeous. I didn't bother looking at the other girls. Quoted 250 k that included BBBJ. Tiny room and you do most of the action standing up, but it was nice. I really liked it. Would definitely go back.

Agency Outcall to Room:

Then I had a girl come to my room at Embassy Suites. Found her on mileroticos, turned out to be an agency ([URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL]). They asked which girl I wanted and I picked Salome. I'm certain I overpaid. The site said it was 250 k and BBBJ was included. She said BBBJ was not included, but it was a must for me, so I offered more money. Finally settled on 350 k. Again, probably too much, but I have zero regrets. She was a sweetheart and very good at what she does. A major bonus was that she spoke English. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty good. Of the options (Santa Fe, spa, and outcall to hotel) I much prefer the outcall. When the girl arrived, she was sent to the reception desk. They called and I said she could come up. No issue at all. But I haven't tried a second guest at this hotel yet so we'll see how that goes tonight.

Now it's a little after 6 pm And I'm not sure I can go another round. Three in one day is a bit much. But, I will definitely have one more girl come over tonight and then I fly out in the morning.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2673495]Being mugged is not the end of the world. In Colombia and probably in all Latin America I recommend not taking the latest iphone out of the hotel and just go out with a cheap android phone. Also don't take too much money in cash at once (this one is pretty obvious everywhere in the world I think). Then if you actually get mugged, you do nothing stupid like fighting or arguing, you just hand your trash android phone + the little money you took out from the hotel. No trip should be ruined for that IMO. Of course a different story is getting shot or stabbed, and yes that happens to a lot of Colombians every day. But not in the SF or in the most touristry places. And as I said if you don't fight or argue and just hand all your belongings you should be fine.

But I stand my point about the SF neighborhood. It's extremely safe at least if your worry is getting robbed. Let's put it like this, a lot of Colombian thieves visit the SF often, but when they go there is to spend the loot, they are not "working" there.[/QUOTE]A few years back, before Maduro and Covid it was like you say, give up a cheap phone and throw a few Pesos and you can get away from Colombian thieves. Ask anybody familiar with Bogota and it's not Colombians but the very violent Venezuelan gangs, many of the Venezuelans shoot first why rob later. Here is a quote "First they murder and then they steal, we need guarantees for Colombians," said the local president in a statement.

There is a very violent gang of Venezuelan immigrants in Bogota that will not fall for that trick. Listen, I'm not saying SF is another 'EL BRONX" but is not a safe place. I hope your attitude doesn't get you hurt. As far as Woodman goes, he's a great guy and knows SF well in fact I met him in SF years ago and he does a good job. You can go there and have a good time but have a cavalier attitude when there, it can get you in big time trouble. I didn't write this to condemn SF just some information that might help keep some newbies safe.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2674043]A few years back, before Maduro and Covid it was like you say, give up a cheap phone and throw a few Pesos and you can get away from Colombian thieves. Ask anybody familiar with Bogota and it's not Colombians but the very violent Venezuelan gangs, many of the Venezuelans shoot first why rob later. Here is a quote "First they murder and then they steal, we need guarantees for Colombians," said the local president in a statement.

There is a very violent gang of Venezuelan immigrants in Bogota that will not fall for that trick. Listen, I'm not saying SF is another 'EL BRONX" but is not a safe place. I hope your attitude doesn't get you hurt. As far as Woodman goes, he's a great guy and knows SF well in fact I met him in SF years ago and he does a good job. You can go there and have a good time but have a cavalier attitude when there, it can get you in big time trouble. I didn't write this to condemn SF just some information that might help keep some newbies safe.[/QUOTE]Beware of anyone that calls any 3rd world RLD "It's extremely safe".

I've been there and think anyone that thinks its extremely safe is a fool and is going to find it isn't.

I've also been to Tijuana a million times and there are many mongers that say its extremely safe, why? Because they haven't been killed, yet?

And you also have to look at different variables a big guy 35 yo 6 foot 6 and 325 lbs all muscle may have less risk than the older BM that in his 60's.

With a limp and bad heart.

Telling the whole world on ISG SF is extremely safe is extremely reckless at best.

I will be in Bogota next week till the end of the month. I will be staying near Zona T. Send me a PM me if you would like to grab a drink and share stories.

I have a long list of SA girls this time ready to meet me for a fee. More than enough to cycle through them during my stay several times over even if a significant portion of them do not pan out. Some of them are college students and some of them speak pretty good English. Anyway, this will be my first experience with them and it will be like a box of chocolate. You never know what you will get. Regardless, there is always the tried and true route of escort agencies there.

[QUOTE=Jim2288;2674018]
Agency Outcall to Room:

Then I had a girl come to my room at Embassy Suites. Found her on mileroticos, turned out to be an agency ([URL]eroticasbogota.com[/URL]). They asked which girl I wanted and I picked Salome. I'm certain I overpaid. The site said it was 250 k and BBBJ was included. She said BBBJ was not included, but it was a must for me, so I offered more money. Finally settled on 350 k. Again, probably too much, but I have zero regrets. She was a sweetheart and very good at what she does. A major bonus was that she spoke English. It wasn't perfect, but it was pretty good. Of the options (Santa Fe, spa, and outcall to hotel) I much prefer the outcall. When the girl arrived, she was sent to the reception desk. They called and I said she could come up. No issue at all. But I haven't tried a second guest at this hotel yet so we'll see how that goes tonight.

[/QUOTE]No, you did not overpay. BBBJ is always an extra price with eroticasbogota. The price is clearly listed on their website. I believe those extra services the girls get to keep completely and not share it with their agency which is an extra bonus for them.

I visited SF twice. First time, no issues.

Second time I was robbed by a streetwalker who rifled though my clothes while she was giving me a BJ. I suspected but wasnt sure until after, and damn, with hands that fast she should be a magician.

It was my fault really for being careles.

Compare that with 7 visits to Angles City, robbed once. Also by a stretwalker in my room. Also because I was careless.

So is SF "Safe? Well, you decide.

My Novias brother was working in the voting polls yesterday, in Colombia if they solicit you to work the voting in Colombia you need to go or they fine you or worse. So her brother was instructed to go work in Suba, another dangerous area, his last phone was robbed so he was using his mothers phone yesterday to stay in contact with the family. He was very aggressively robbed by 3 guys, Venezuelans, at gun point and he was dressed as a local duh. No Jewelry bla bla bla A street savvy guy 24 yrs old, near the voting area. Then one guy held the gun to his head while the other 2 ripped his pockets open looking for money and stole the phone and a few pesos he had for the transmillenio. Now no phone for him or mommy. He went to a relatives house in Suba to sleep and that was the last I heard.

Listen please. People around, doesn't mean A THING, night time day time none of it is a guarantee you will be safe. Bogota, in general is a very dangerous city now. It was dangerous 10 years ago but exponentially more so in the last 3 years. I use to think it was dangerous to walk around Rua Djalma Ulrich around the corner from Help, in Copa but that was a walk in the park compared to these days in Bogota. Hopefully my experiences in Bogota will keep some guys safe and I'm sure others will thing they know it all and will continue to defy the odds but nobody knows when or where it will happen but it WILL happen sooner or later.

I don't want to get involved in the "Santa Fe is safe / dangerous" debate, but I'm in Bogota right now, and been here a while, and just wanted to share my 2-pence worth.

I wanted to see Santa Fe with my own eyes, and walked there one Saturday afternoon, carrying no phone, little money, and wearing dirty clothes with a full face-mask, cap etc so as not to stand out. I did a walk where all the main clubs are (Fibre etc) and saw many girls standing around. I saw 10-year old kids on bicycles handing little packets to older guys, and of course, the expected assortment of druggies, down-and-out characters and zombies.

I didn't monger with any girl, although there were many very bangable ones.

I have also been to casas in Chapinero. In one of them (here you go: Calle 64 # 15-34) I can have a beer for 6 K, have a "un rato" with any of the girls for 30 K. Last Tue, there were 12-15 bangable chicas, but only about 6-8 on Sat. I've enjoyed the company of some of them. The vibe in here is pretty good with lots of comings and goings, and a bit of a party atmosphere.

I've banged numerous chicas in other casas for 35 K, and almost all times getting a good service. I've had BBBJ and CFS at Spa Tantra for 50 K with a lovely girl.

So, the question I ask myself is. Why would I pick up a SW in Santa Fe (with the imaginary / real risks) when I can enjoy the comfort and safety of a casa for the same price?

And when the girls in a casa have more incentive to give better service. Having said that, I can, however, see the attraction of going into the clubs in Santa Fe (esp with friends) and making a real evening of it. And the girls there are probably higher quality (or they may seem like it due to the makeup, lighting, attire, club atmosphere).

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to either go to or not go to Santa Fe (or the casas). I really have no dog in this fight. To each their own. For those who enjoy Santa Fe, great, and for those that don't like it, that's fine too.

Santa Fe is just one option in the city where there is a lot of pussy to be enjoyed.

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I didn't do any mongering during the day as I need to get some real life work done after moving to a new Airbnb closer to SF. Ordered some food off of Rapi, watched some TV, then decided to walk over to SF around 10 pm. Once again, I knew the clubs would be closed due to Ley Seca.

Once in SF, I was quickly disappointed. There were maybe 4-5 bangable girls working in the main 3 block area. It was kind of dead overall with significantly fewer people around than the night before. This is understandable as it is Sunday night in a South American country. I had two sessions and decided to test my Colombiana vs. Venezuelan pricing theory. The Colombian wanted 50 k (LOL ok fine) and then Venezuelan asked for 35 k. Just as I expected. Standard service and wasn't rushed either time. Both were friendly, though of course this isn't Brazil so you aren't getting top notch service.

I left around 1130 and walked back to my Airbnb. Did not get robbed or stabbed.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2671771]Don't know about ABNB, but I stayed at the Hotel NH Collection Bogot Andino Royal and absolutely no problems at all with bringing girls at all hours of the day and night.

It's a very nice hotel with a great rooftop terraza where I entertained a couple of civvies before banging them (for free) in the room.

At TiaVoyage25 and at GoldMembr. I would love to meet up and share experiences etc, but I cannot DM anyone, because I cannot seem to figure out how to pay the $25 subs. My credit cards are all getting rejected by Coinbase. Does anyone know how I can get around this? My cards are from UK based banks, and phoning the banks and explaining this whilst I'm in Bogota is not so straightforward.

I suspect my cards are not "3 D secure". And in addition, many credit cards do not permit crypto transactions.

Anyway, on a brighter note, I went to a casa on Calle 57 today, Chapinero, and banged 4 chicas, each "un rato" for a 35 K, as a trial run. I don't even do 30 minutes anymore if it's my first time with the girl. I just want to check her attitude, compatibility and general demeaner in the room. Out of the four, I will repeat with two of them for a longer time on my next visit.

One was a Venezualana with a big ass. Perfect. Afterwards, the asked if I wanted her phone number, and if I lived close by. I think she wants to do a private deal, which I would be more than happy with.[/QUOTE]Hey Fudi,

Great info. On chapinero casas. Would you happen to have an exact address on the calle 57 casa? Not on the map. Any other specific recommendations with addresses in the general area besides.

The already mentioned Calle 64 # 15-34 and Tantras?

Found this link on another forum.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1CX1vHGuVsmU_8yLjh7e8kCQQ7F_uTduz&ll=4.652436578191971%2C-74.06181521424033&z=16[/URL]

Do these places look like bars or are they houses?

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2674362]Hey Fudi,

Great info. On chapinero casas. Would you happen to have an exact address on the calle 57 casa? Not on the map. Any other specific recommendations with addresses in the general area besides.

The already mentioned Calle 64 # 15-34 and Tantras?[/QUOTE]Diego,

Mtljay kindly posted a wonderful map, a couple of posts after yours. That is a great way to locate the casas.

The one of Calle 57 is called "Rosquillas 57" on that map. The location is very accurate. And don't worry about not finding it. As soon as you get near it, a guy wearing a luminous orange water-proof coat will see you and hand you a little slip, and he'll take you to the door if you maintain eye contact with him. I've just come back from shagging a couple of chicas from there right now.

However. If you want 7+ quality girls, then this is not the right place. They're pretty average looking here, and a couple are even unshaggable. But I like the girl next door types with big asses, and I find them here. Today at 2 pm, there was only 1 other guy apart from me, and only 4 girls. Last Mon at 6 pm, there were 6 girls and 4-5 guys. I guess there is a sweet spot for the timings, after people finish work.

MtlJay - "Do these places look like bars or are they houses?

Good question. All they have a basic dirty looking door. That's it. Nothing else. There are no signs, no neon lights and nothing to indicate what goes on inside. They would be very hard to find if it wasn't for the guys standing at the door saying "chichas?" as you walk past, or handing you a little slip with the address on street corners nearby.

Once inside, the two that I am a regular at, are like a bar. Loud music, porn playing on TV (or a soccer game if one is on), you can just have a beer for 6 K and chill. No pressure to bang, and no sense of feeling at risk or being taken advantage of. I speak practically no Spanish, and I'm the only extranjero in these places, but I feel fine. The staff now recognize me, and give me a fist-pump as I enter.

The number and quality of girls various a lot. Sometimes there's a lot of shaggable ones, and sometimes, very few.

Sadly, I cannot figure out a way to pay the $25 sub for this wonderful forum (coinbase rejects all my credit and debit cards), otherwise I'd be up for PM's and meeting up.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2674382]Found this link on another forum.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1CX1vHGuVsmU_8yLjh7e8kCQQ7F_uTduz&ll=4.652436578191971%2C-74.06181521424033&z=16[/URL]

Do these places look like bars or are they houses?[/QUOTE]Those are mostly if not entirely houses. (casas). What other forum did you find it on? It says that it was published 8 days ago but that could have been the last update date?

It looks fairly up to date making it a gold mine of exactly what I was looking for. Any idea if it really was only published 8 days ago and thus completely up to date?

[QUOTE=RakSopheni;2672791]First I should state I've been somewhat sidetracked in my investigations (as often occurs) by the 18 yr old spinner Vennie who I've been seeing daily in addition to my other field work. It turns out she lives with her family (mother and younger brothers) literally a block away from me and so the convenience and established standard of service has been hard to refuse. At this point we've established a 1. 5 hour session with BBFS and CIM (finally) for 150 mil pesos. I get the feeling the mother sends her over when they need grocery money.[/QUOTE]Do you remember her name?

First night after Ley Seca and SF is back to business for the most part.

I wandered over earlier this time, around 9 pm. After walking the streets for a while I decided to check out most of the clubs. I went to Atonis, Troya, Paisas, Fiebra, and Venus. Atonis had a lot of dudes and about 15 girls. Of those 15, maybe 5-6 were bangable. No stunners but there was one 7. In Troya, there weren't a lot of girls but also not a lot of guys. The girls that were there were pretty decent overall. I'the say probably 6-8 girls at any time and 4-5 were bangable. Of note, there was one solid 8 who I wanted to do but she was dancing on stage the whole time. I had to take a moment to just appreciate the stamina some of these girls have. Paisas I went into one time and was unimpressed. Saw like two girls who were unattractive and then I left. Fiebre had a ton of girls and most were pretty stunning. As a caveat, I like the whole fake boobs and big ass look so it was definitely a place I appreciated. That being said, the second I walked in I got a huge headache because there was some incense in the air that was overwhelming. It smelled good but it was too strong for my liking. In my years of visiting I've never seen that before so I have no idea when that was implemented, but it must have been recently. Sadly, I had to leave because it was bothering me so much.

Lastly I went to Venus. The talent was ok and there wasn't a huge selection but I went with an early 20's Colombian with a perfect ass and well shaped tits. BBBJ and CFS for 80 k. She wanted 60 k without BBBJ. I tipped the maid upstairs very well and by the time the knock came, my shoes were already on.

I decided to call it a night and began my trek back to the Airbnb. It is a short walk from SF, but I noticed some people hanging around the route I usually take so I diverted and took another just to be safe.

I will be back in SF tomorrow night to enjoy myself some more!

[URL]https://foroprepagoscolombia.com/[/URL] is an escort review site in Spanish. I do not know any Spanish but google translate does a decent job.

If you are after escorts this is a worthwhile site as it's kind of like yelp for escorts.

[QUOTE=DiegoSan4;2674429]Those are mostly if not entirely houses. (casas). What other forum did you find it on? It says that it was published 8 days ago but that could have been the last update date?

It looks fairly up to date making it a gold mine of exactly what I was looking for. Any idea if it really was only published 8 days ago and thus completely up to date?[/QUOTE]

Here is a google street view of this location with the picture of a guy handing out info. LOL.

https://www.google.com/maps/@4.643867,-74.0639182,3a,19.4y,197.1h,86.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLPMTnTVkv5yJnn4Zj4oosw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=es

But looking at the map ([URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1CX1vHGuVsmU_8yLjh7e8kCQQ7F_uTduz&ll=4.652436578191971%2C-74.06181521424033&z=16[/URL]) this place looks like out of away from other brothels. Calie 68 seems to have a cluster.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2674410]

The one of Calle 57 is called "Rosquillas 57" on that map. The location is very accurate. And don't worry about not finding it. As soon as you get near it, a guy wearing a luminous orange water-proof coat will see you and hand you a little slip, and he'll take you to the door if you maintain eye contact with him. I've just come back from shagging a couple of chicas from there right now.

[/QUOTE]

Has anyone come across a list that lists all the Spanish words for items like BBBJ, CIM etc. For example this list in Spanish.

[URL]https://www.allacronyms.com/escorts/abbreviations[/URL]

All the talk about Danger -- I agree that Santa Fe can be dangerous, but it is more dangerous for some than others. I think if you stick around the north stroll and club area like this gentleman did you are in not in much danger. That would be the area between Calle 22 and Calle 24 / Carrera 15 and Carrera 16 a. I do walk to my place going home (about 5 blocks) and rarely will cab-- There usually are police all over. I have never had a problem but I remain vigilant.

I actually really enjoy the street life outside of the area. So many people out and about -- pretty girls and cute kids running around. It reminds me of Spanish Harlem in the 60's.

It's a vibrant community tons of street food and vendors. It's real life happening unlike most neighborhoods in the US where everyone stays inside. I often shop on Calle 22 business district.

I wrote a brief report a few days ago and have written many reports on SF-- I just want to say I do not always have it in me to describe every nuance and fantastic experience. But I would not be going there if the place was not fantastic. My pussy playground fulfills my sexual needs greatly. I need to write more and actually do make many personal notes and essays. If I don't write, when I die all my thoughts and experiences shall be gone, as a man from the future once said 'Like Tears in Rain'.

[QUOTE=TiaVoyage25;2674513]First night after Ley Seca and SF is back to business for the most part.

I wandered over earlier this time, around 9 pm. After walking the streets for a while I decided to check out most of the clubs. I went to Atonis, Troya, Paisas, Fiebra, and Venus. Atonis had a lot of dudes and about 15 girls. Of those 15, maybe 5-6 were bangable. No stunners but there was one 7. In Troya, there weren't a lot of girls but also not a lot of guys. The girls that were there were pretty decent overall. I'the say probably 6-8 girls at any time and 4-5 were bangable. Of note, there was one solid 8 who I wanted to do but she was dancing on stage the whole time. I had to take a moment to just appreciate the stamina some of these girls have. Paisas I went into one time and was unimpressed. Saw like two girls who were unattractive and then I left. Fiebre had a ton of girls and most were pretty stunning. As a caveat, I like the whole fake boobs and big ass look so it was definitely a place I appreciated. That being said, the second I walked in I got a huge headache because there was some incense in the air that was overwhelming. It smelled good but it was too strong for my liking. In my years of visiting I've never seen that before so I have no idea when that was implemented, but it must have been recently.[/QUOTE]

I've been busy shagging chicas. After a bad experience with a Seeking girl who came over at noon, I decided to head out to the casas and banged 4 new ones.

Here's a run down of the good, bad and ugly of the 3 new casas I visited (please refer to the map here [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...521424033&z=16[/URL]).

"Chuzo 64" - on the corner of Calle 64 and Avenida Caracas.

Avoid. The guy standing outside lures you in and there is a girl standing next to him. As I walked upstairs to the sound of music, I enter an totally empty bar. No guys and no girls.

The girl following me, then stands in front of me tries to do a little erotic dance. I say "Solo una chica?" and she nods. I immediately rush down the stairs, and get away.

"Donde Diego" - near the corner of Calle 64 and Carrera 15 (100 feet away from another club that I reviewed earlier, "Rosquillas 64".

Poor. Looks like a sad, neglected place. Run down little room, and one old guy sitting there. Four girls. Two Afro origin and two Caucasians. I chose a hot curvy Afro girl.

Prices: Beer is 5 K and "un rato" (20 minutes) is 25 K. This is the cheapest I've seen, but I can understand why.

Don't go out of your way to visit this place, but if you are walking past on the way out of "Rosquillas 64" (like I was), then maybe walk in. You don't even need to buy a beer. Ask to see.

The girls and if none take your fancy, just walk out.

"La Bonita" - On Carrera 15 near Caller 68.

I thought I'd be in for another poor experience, but once the door opened, I was very pleasantly surprised. There is major refurbishment going on right now, but I can see that in a few weeks.

This place will be awesome internally. Large sala, with numerous TV screens, and quite a few guys coming and going. About 12-14 girls introduced themselves to me. A couple of real cuties.

I banged both of them.

Prices: Beer 5 K, 20 minutes for 30 K, and 30 minutes for 35 K. I was offered (and took) BBBJ as an extra for 30 K (a bit expensive if you ask me, but she was my type).

Enjoy fellas.

Here is the correct link for the map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1CX1vHGuVsmU_8yLjh7e8kCQQ7F_uTduz&ll=4.652436578191971%2C-74.06181521424033&z=16[/URL]

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2674783]I've been busy shagging chicas. After a bad experience with a Seeking girl who came over at noon, I decided to head out to the casas and banged 4 new ones.

Here's a run down of the good, bad and ugly of the 3 new casas I visited (please refer to the map here [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/vi...521424033&z=16[/URL]).

"Chuzo 64" - on the corner of Calle 64 and Avenida Caracas.

Avoid. The guy standing outside lures you in and there is a girl standing next to him. As I walked upstairs to the sound of music, I enter an totally empty bar. No guys and no girls.

The girl following me, then stands in front of me tries to do a little erotic dance. I say "Solo una chica?" and she nods. I immediately rush down the stairs, and get away.

"Donde Diego" - near the corner of Calle 64 and Carrera 15 (100 feet away from another club that I reviewed earlier, "Rosquillas 64".

Poor. Looks like a sad, neglected place. Run down little room, and one old guy sitting there. Four girls. Two Afro origin and two Caucasians. I chose a hot curvy Afro girl.

Prices: Beer is 5 K and "un rato" (20 minutes) is 25 K. This is the cheapest I've seen, but I can understand why.

Don't go out of your way to visit this place, but if you are walking past on the way out of "Rosquillas 64" (like I was), then maybe walk in. You don't even need to buy a beer. Ask to see.

The girls and if none take your fancy, just walk out.

"La Bonita" - On Carrera 15 near Caller 68.

I thought I'd be in for another poor experience, but once the door opened, I was very pleasantly surprised. There is major refurbishment going on right now, but I can see that in a few weeks.

This place will be awesome internally. Large sala, with numerous TV screens, and quite a few guys coming and going. About 12-14 girls introduced themselves to me. A couple of real cuties.

I banged both of them.

Prices: Beer 5 K, 20 minutes for 30 K, and 30 minutes for 35 K. I was offered (and took) BBBJ as an extra for 30 K (a bit expensive if you ask me, but she was my type).

Enjoy fellas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2674410]Diego,

The number and quality of girls various a lot. Sometimes there's a lot of shaggable ones, and sometimes, very few.

Sadly, I cannot figure out a way to pay the $25 sub for this wonderful forum (coinbase rejects all my credit and debit cards), otherwise I'd be up for PM's and meeting up.[/QUOTE]Put cash in an envelope and mail it to the adress listed. I did, and it worked fine.

Are these casas open still late at night?

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2674783]After a bad experience with a Seeking girl who came over at noon, I decided to head out to the casas and banged 4 new ones.
[/QUOTE]Important to say what happened with the Seeking girl since it seems many that use it here swear by it.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2675073]Important to say what happened with the Seeking girl since it seems many that use it here swear by it.[/QUOTE]Do you have any luck or good experience with any of the SA girls?

I have a list of them in my contacts now and will find out pretty soon how that will go. I am not setting any high expectation but will give it a try as one of my avenues.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2675073]Important to say what happened with the Seeking girl since it seems many that use it here swear by it.[/QUOTE]My 1 month on Seeking expires tomorrow and I have no plans to renew it. I'm in Bogota and will go to Medellin in a few days, so may reconsider it there, depending on my luck with the casas.

Meanwhile, my experiences with Seeking in Bogota have been:

- incredibly time consuming. Several dozens of texts written everyday answering the same questions, etc etc.

- tons of girls have contacted me, and whilst this initially created a sense of abundance, very soon that feeling changed to "oh, here we go again".

- the no-show rates and flake rates are ridiculous. I mean, un-be-lievably bad. No no-show rates run at around 80% - meaning that if I have arranged 10 'dates', then only 2 girls will actually show up.

One Sat, I arranged 3 dates. Morning, afternoon and evening, knowing that at least 1 will not show. It turns out that none of them showed. And none answered my WhatsApp on the day.

This is after agreeing to a time, the services, and the $$$ that I would give them. And what's more, these are girls who contacted me, and asked to meet.

I have been in contact with over 100 girls on Seeking, and actually met 6. Here's a summary.

Girl 1 - average appearance, looks much better when wearing clothes because there is a lot of baby damage (droopy tits, stretch marks etc), but had an incredibly nice attitude and.

Gave me wonderful service. Two hours for 180 K. This is how girls should be.

Girl 2 - Nice looking, but really not into sex, and mediocre service. We had agreed on 200 K, and as she was leaving, asked me if I can give her another 50 K. No chance.

Girl 3 - Terrible. Skinny, no tits, no hips, bad attitude, we agreed on 200 K for 2 hours, after 1 hour, said she had to leave to attend a lecture at uni. I said then I will give you 100 K.

She kicked up a fuss, and threatened to call someone on her phone. Not wanting trouble, I paid her 200 K and got her out of the hotel quick. Scam artist.

Avoid. Her Seeking name is "Aria".

Girl 4 - Beautiful girl, about 23, made a real effort with dress and makeup when she came to see me. We got on well. Then. After an hour of me kissing her and licking her pussy.

I asked for a BJ, and she drops the bombshell. She doesn't do chupa-chupa. That totally killed the vibe for me, and I told her that we have a problem. I terminated the session right.

There and told her that I'll pay her 100 K and was glad to get rid of her. I thought she would be another trouble maker like Girl 3.

Avoid. Her Seeking name is "Kailyn".

These are the girls that I've paid money for. There have been two others that didn't ask for money and right from the start, the vibe with them was that they wanted to date a successful guy.

And that they are not prepagos. One was a MILF, not very nice looking, but she was a dirty woman in bed. Was rimming me an hour after she told me over coffee that she doesn't have sex on the first date. Yeah sure. Another was a late 20's single mother.

YMMV, but frankly, I got a bid tired of Seeking. I like the GFE experience, hence my trial with this app. Otherwise, it makes sense for me to just visit a casa where I can choose a big-ass.

Chica, pay 30 K for a un rato, and if she's good, then just pay extra the next time for additional services.

With Seeking, there are so many unknowns. The girl often looks different to the photos; her attitude may stink; she likely won't even show up.

(P. S- if anyone can tell me how to make some text bold in my posts, then I'd appreciate it.).

(PPS. How long does a new poster like me stay on 'pre-mod'? Right now, all my posts are displayed after they have been vetted and approved.).

By any chance do you have names so these girls? Looks like Aria is not seeking any more.

Girl 4 is [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5883b616-01d7-4500-ad2a-f6be11866868[/URL] , looks like she speaks English.

Post the links or names and help out others.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675130]

Girl 1 - average appearance, looks much better when wearing clothes because there is a lot of baby damage (droopy tits, stretch marks etc), but had an incredibly nice attitude and.

Gave me wonderful service. Two hours for 180 K. This is how girls should be.

Girl 2 - Nice looking, but really not into sex, and mediocre service. We had agreed on 200 K, and as she was leaving, asked me if I can give her another 50 K. No chance.

Girl 3 - Terrible. Skinny, no tits, no hips, bad attitude, we agreed on 200 K for 2 hours, after 1 hour, said she had to leave to attend a lecture at uni. I said then I will give you 100 K.

She kicked up a fuss, and threatened to call someone on her phone. Not wanting trouble, I paid her 200 K and got her out of the hotel quick. Scam artist.

Avoid. Her Seeking name is "Aria".

Girl 4 - Beautiful girl, about 23, made a real effort with dress and makeup when she came to see me. We got on well. Then. After an hour of me kissing her and licking her pussy.

I asked for a BJ, and she drops the bombshell. She doesn't do chupa-chupa. That totally killed the vibe for me, and I told her that we have a problem. I terminated the session right.

There and told her that I'll pay her 100 K and was glad to get rid of her. I thought she would be another trouble maker like Girl 3.

Avoid. Her Seeking name is "Kailyn".

Girl 5 : These are the girls that I've paid money for. There have been two others that didn't ask for money and right from the start, the vibe with them was that they wanted to date a successful guy.

Girl 6: And that they are not prepagos. One was a MILF, not very nice looking, but she was a dirty woman in bed. Was rimming me an hour after she told me over coffee that she doesn't have sex on the Girl first date. Yeah sure. Another was a late 20's single mother.

[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675130]This is after agreeing to a time, the services, and the $$$ that I would give them. And what's more, these are girls who contacted me, and asked to meet. I have been in contact with over 100 girls on Seeking, and actually met 6.[/QUOTE]I think guys get all hyped up with the responses from seeking women and this happens all the time there. They get excited chatting with women. What I have to wonder is how many of these "women" are actually men trying to scam guys. When I looked at a woman's responses from seeking on SA, 90+% were scammers. The sex with hos is initially better than seeking women. It is the repeats with the best women where the sex is better than with hos.

Here are the seven rules of seeking in Colombia:

1. You will get stood up.

2. You will spend way, way, way more time than just using an escort agency.

3. The sexual service is NOT better.

4. You will spend way, way more money than an escort agency or lower cost venues like casas, Santa Fe, or Centro in Medellin.

5. Seeking is for long term relationships. If you do not have the time or money to pursue a relationship like that, do not use the site. You are wasting your money, the women's time, and ruining the site.

6. Your goal should be to find the one (or two or three) women that are so amazing you want to repeat with and spend time with. These women are just as fun outside the bedroom as in it.

7. Do not feed the WGs.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675130]My 1 month on Seeking expires tomorrow and I have no plans to renew it. I'm in Bogota and will go to Medellin in a few days, so may reconsider it there, depending on my luck with the casas.

Meanwhile, my experiences with Seeking in Bogota have been:

- incredibly time consuming. Several dozens of texts written everyday answering the same questions, etc etc.

- tons of girls have contacted me, and whilst this initially created a sense of abundance, very soon that feeling changed to "oh, here we go again".

- the no-show rates and flake rates are ridiculous. I mean, un-be-lievably bad. No no-show rates run at around 80% - meaning that if I have arranged 10 'dates', then only 2 girls will actually show up.

...

(PPS. How long does a new poster like me stay on 'pre-mod'? Right now, all my posts are displayed after they have been vetted and approved.).[/QUOTE]Oh no, that does not bode well for me. I guess I will see how it will turn out for me and I should not really expect too much from SA girls. I guess I would go for a backup if this happens to me.

Also, I think you may have to post up to a certain number to be elavated to a senior member and that would allow your posts to be automatically shown. Plus no previous violations I think. This is just my deduction and may be wrong.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2675178]By any chance do you have names so these girls? Looks like Aria is not seeking any more.

Girl 4 is [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5883b616-01d7-4500-ad2a-f6be11866868[/URL] , looks like she speaks English.

Post the links or names and help out others.[/QUOTE]I have already included the names of the bad girls in my original post below. In fact, you even refer to one of them (Aria) in your reply.

Girl 2 is called "EveBa".

I cannot post the links, because literally the moment they leave my hotel room, I block them on Seeking, because it's very easy to get banned from there, and I don't want these girls reporting me out of spite. I cannot myself see the links of these girls anymore.

On another matter, does anyone know why the software on this forum keeps putting random full-stops in the middle of some sentences in my posts and then uppercases the first letter of the next word?

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675130](P. S- if anyone can tell me how to [b]make some text bold[/b]in my posts, then I'd appreciate it.).[/QUOTE]Look at the. Picture that I attached.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675130](PPS. How long does a new poster like me stay on 'pre-mod'? Right now, all my posts are displayed after they have been vetted and approved.).[/QUOTE]25 quality posts and 6 months.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2675222]Look at the. Picture that I attached.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr E.

However, I cannot actually open the attached picture because I am not a paid-up member (as previously mentioned, I would love to pay my $25, but all my cards are being rejected by Coinbase, and someone mentioned that I should just put cash in an envelope and post it. I'm not American, don't have USD, am currently travelling around in Colombia, so I'll probably do this when I return my home country).

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675421].. I cannot actually open the attached picture because I am not a paid-up member ....[/QUOTE]

Click [B]Reply with Quote[/B] to see how it is done.

[QUOTE=ThePike;2675033]Are these casas open still late at night?[/QUOTE]Usually close at 8-9 pm if not earlier-- Of course, I don't know everything.

Any good suggestions which area to choose or avoid when searching for accomodation.

I can see some nice appartments in Santa Fe but not sure what's around them and do they offer value for money.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2674755]All the talk about Danger -- I agree that Santa Fe can be dangerous, but it is more dangerous for some than others. I think if you stick around the north stroll and club area like this gentleman did you are in not in much danger. That would be the area between Calle 22 and Calle 24 / Carrera 15 and Carrera 16 a. I do walk to my place going home (about 5 blocks) and rarely will cab-- There usually are police all over. I have never had a problem but I remain vigilant.

I actually really enjoy the street life outside of the area. So many people out and about -- pretty girls and cute kids running around. It reminds me of Spanish Harlem in the 60's.

It's a vibrant community tons of street food and vendors. It's real life happening unlike most neighborhoods in the US where everyone stays inside. I often shop on Calle 22 business district.

I wrote a brief report a few days ago and have written many reports on SF-- I just want to say I do not always have it in me to describe every nuance and fantastic experience. But I would not be going there if the place was not fantastic. My pussy playground fulfills my sexual needs greatly. I need to write more and actually do make many personal notes and essays. If I don't write, when I die all my thoughts and experiences shall be gone, as a man from the future once said 'Like Tears in Rain'.[/QUOTE]Or I can continue your legend. Haha. I got to learn some Spanish tho.

[QUOTE=TuneFor;2675693]Any good suggestions which area to choose or avoid when searching for accomodation.

I can see some nice appartments in Santa Fe but not sure what's around them and do they offer value for money.[/QUOTE]It depends on what sort of mongering activities you are looking for.

If you are thinking of banging mainly in Santa Fe, then get an apartment / hotel close by, but watch out for the safety aspect.

If you want to do casas, then get something in Chapinero. It doesn't need to be chica friendly as you'll be doing take-out's anyway.

If you want modern, posh, Western style environment, then get something in Zona Rosa.

If you mention the names the nice apartments you've seen around Santa Fe, then maybe others then point out the positives / negatives of them and give you an indication of the area is like.

I'm in Hotel Tequendama. I can walk to Santa Fe if I wanted to (but choose not to), and jump on the transmilenio, and 15 minutes later I'm in Chapinero.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675805]It depends on what sort of mongering activities you are looking for..[/QUOTE]Fudi Maar,

You have written excellent reports.

Q: Is hotel Tequendama girl friendly?

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675805]It depends on what sort of mongering activities you are looking for.

If you are thinking of banging mainly in Santa Fe, then get an apartment / hotel close by, but watch out for the safety aspect.

If you want to do casas, then get something in Chapinero. It doesn't need to be chica friendly as you'll be doing take-out's anyway.

If you want modern, posh, Western style environment, then get something in Zona Rosa.

If you mention the names the nice apartments you've seen around Santa Fe, then maybe others then point out the positives / negatives of them and give you an indication of the area is like.

I'm in Hotel Tequendama. I can walk to Santa Fe if I wanted to (but choose not to), and jump on the transmilenio, and 15 minutes later I'm in Chapinero.[/QUOTE]Thanks for advise.

For me main thing is good value of appartment, doesn't really need to be close to working girls as mainly I will try my luck with semi pros.

So I would say being visit friendly and having decents places to eat in around area would be priority.

[QUOTE=Druster;2675858]Fudi Maar,

You have written excellent reports.

Q: Is hotel Tequendama girl friendly?[/QUOTE]Yes, totally girl-friendly until 8 pm. No idea what the charges apply after 8 pm because I'm a day-time banger. Also the sister hotel Tequendama Suites has the same rules.

Normally, I just walk in with the girl, but there's this one security guy who's over-enthusiastic and insists on the girls showing their cedula and registering at reception.

One of the girls I brought in said to me with a smile "This is the protect you," so yes, it makes sense.

Okay, so went out to the casas again today. First call, my favourite one:

[B]Calle 57 # 9-35 [/B]

I'm sitting having a beer and about to ask one of my favourite girls here for a "un rato" and then a number of police men walk in, in full uniform, with a couple of official looking women.

None of the girls seem bothered and two other mongers, who were having beers with a girl next to them, carry on as normal. I see the police taking lots of photos of the place and saying "documentos, documentos". After a while I ask one of the staff if all is OK, and he confirms that its just a regular check. I need to bang a chica, but I wait. And wait. For the police to leave, but after an hour, they're still there and the girls have started to change into their civilian clothes. I ask one of them about a rato, and she says that the police will close this place now and the girls will all go another club at Carrera 15 No 66-22. So, I left.

[B]Calle 64 #15-16 [/B]

I just happened to be walking past this sad place (reviewed a couple of days ago), and remembered that there was a bangable girl I had seen here on Mon. So I went in, asked to see the girls, and there were 6 this time. All very average. I immediately went for a un rato with the bangable one (25 K). She wasn't that nice once the clothes came off (baby-damage, stretch marks) but her attitude was spot on, very pleasant and I enjoyed the sex. So, 20 minutes later, I gave her a 5 K tip, and walked out to the next place.

This place really needs a refurbishment. It's not one where you'd take your friends.

[B]Carrera 19 #67-93. Acuarious [/B]

There's a batch of 5 casas on this corner (see the google map a few posts below). Wanted to try one. Went upstairs, and immediately regretted it. I was ushered into an empty living room with a sad-looking sofa. No bar, no other person. I thought "Oh damn, here we go. " The mamasan walks in and I ask to see the girls. I suspected she would have 2 un-bangable girls to show me, but there were about 10. And a couple of them were bangable. I picked a nice, girl-next-door type. Early 20's, firm body (no baby damage), and her attitude in the room was awesome. I always try and connect with the girl first verbally with my extremely poor Spanish. My hope is that it makes both of us feel at ease. She was lovely, and kissed on the lips. This is always a great start for me. Long, slow BJ (covered) and then onto sex. She was tight, and I came about 15 minutes later. She really felt like a 'novia' and of course I gave her a tip.

The charges are: 30 minutes for 40 K, and 1 HR for 80 K. There is no un rato option.

I would only return to this place for a specific girl and not for the atmosphere / vibe, because there isn't any. You are effectively walking into someone's apartment where there happen to be girls on offer.

I'll try and attach a map to show which one this casa was.

(P.S. - if any newbie is thinking "How will I find these casas?" "Is there a neon sign or something?" Well, they will find you. As soon as you are about 50 yards away, a guy standing at the door will start waving at you, and say "chicas, chicas".)

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgQLZMTyNp4[/URL]

Getting robbed is one thing, losing your life is another thing.

This is why I want to stay at a hotel where they take a copy of the girl's IDs, hang out with fellow mongers, and keep an eye on each other.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675985]Yes, totally girl-friendly until 8 pm. No idea what the charges apply after 8 pm because I'm a day-time banger. Also the sister hotel Tequendama Suites has the same rules.

Normally, I just walk in with the girl, but there's this one security guy who's over-enthusiastic and insists on the girls showing their cedula and registering at reception.

One of the girls I brought in said to me with a smile "This is the protect you," so yes, it makes sense.

Okay, so went out to the casas again today. First call, my favourite one:

[B]Calle 57 # 9-35 [/B]

I'm sitting having a beer and about to ask one of my favourite girls here for a "un rato" and then a number of police men walk in, in full uniform, with a couple of official looking women..[/QUOTE]Excellent TR and I stayed in Tequendama Suites but only for one night.

As you said you can bring girls with no guest fee until 9 pm. The suites are huge with kitchen, sofa set high floors gives the best view too.

Hope to see some pics as I will give it a try with these casas next time.

[QUOTE=Druster;2675858]Fudi Maar,

You have written excellent reports.

Q: Is hotel Tequendama girl friendly?[/QUOTE]Yes, I stayed for one night few weeks back. I did not bring any one but asked the agent while checking and he said no issues to being without any fee until 9 pm. After that guest charge is applicable but did not asked how much. Guessing around 70 k or some experts can chime in.

I loved the tequendama suites but only lack of balcony where I cannot lit the cigar while having a drink.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676018][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgQLZMTyNp4[/URL]

Getting robbed is one thing, losing your life is another thing.

This is why I want to stay at a hotel where they take a copy of the girl's IDs, hang out with fellow mongers, and keep an eye on each other.[/QUOTE]I watched several of David's videos in the past and he is based mainly out of Medellin. Definitely a good tip and he almost could not come out to say it the last minute of his video. In short, he hinted that if you guys just want to have sex, there are places like casa that are in fact safer than just bringing random girl from the bar who are eager to follow you back to your hotel or AirBnb.

In summary,

1) There are no hookup culture in Colombia, do not expect to get lucky as any eager girls are always up to something. Always approach with huge caution and suspicion.

2) Look out for any unattended drink which will give the girl opportunity to roofie you. Drink from a bottle that is opened in front of you if possible. Get a wingman to party in bar to look out for one another.

3) Cedula or ID, snap a copy of it from your phone to consciously let them know that you have their info. Hopefully, that could at least deter.

Stay safe and have lots of Safe Sex, jejeje.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676018][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgQLZMTyNp4[/URL]

Getting robbed is one thing, losing your life is another thing.

This is why I want to stay at a hotel where they take a copy of the girl's IDs, hang out with fellow mongers, and keep an eye on each other.[/QUOTE]You think and look for insurance to come down yourself. #1 any criminal can have fake ID. #2 When a criminal makes a crime, they hope that they've never been caught or just they don't think about anything and do crime. If you think that hotel security safe you from criminals, what if he works with criminals? #3 there are many other safety problems, we just don't know about them.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2676238]1) There are no hookup culture in Colombia, do not expect to get lucky as any eager girls are always up to something. Always approach with huge caution and suspicion.

3) Cedula or ID, snap a copy of it from your phone to consciously let them know that you have their info. Hopefully, that could at least deter.[/QUOTE]1) Respectfully disagree. There is a very much a hookup culture here. I've experienced it multiple times myself. On dating sites, I have matched, texted and met up with girls for a coffee / beer. If we've clicked, we head back to my hotel and bang. On numerous occasions. Sometimes, the girl just comes straight to the hotel, we chat in the bar for half an hour to build comfort, and then go upstairs to do the deed. No money changes hands. These are regular girls with day jobs. I very rarely drink alcohol with them, and I watch my soft drinks of course, and have all my valuables locked up in various locations in the room.

And on three occasions, these girls have become friends / regulars. I'm seeing one of them tomorrow for our 4th meeting. I like to have a couple of civvie girls in my rotation as well as banging putas in casas.

3) Asking them to give you their cedula so you can take a photo of it will not help built rapport. In fact, it will destroy it. It will kill the mood, and if the girl is a non-WG, then there's a good chance that I can kiss goodbye to any sort of action. And if the girl is a scammer, then having a photo of their cedula on my phone will be of little help if they then scopolamine my ass and steal that phone.

I personally know a guy here who was scopolamined. It happened in a bar, where 2-3 girlfriends were all telling him how handsome he was, and in his own words "they kept making me drink". Two obvious red-flags right there:

A) when 2 or more girl-friends show interest in you with over-the-top compliments, or.

B) they're encouraging you to drink.

Then you have a potential situation. These girls often work in pairs. One distracts you, whilst the other spikes your drink.

Interesting enough, the casas are THE safest place to be from my experience. Even the most rough looking ones, on a dodgy looking calle, seem safe once inside. And the touts who promote them, although very enthusiastic at times, are never rude or aggressive when I say "No gracias."

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2676238]I watched several of David's videos in the past and he is based mainly out of Medellin. Definitely a good tip and he almost could not come out to say it the last minute of his video. In short, he hinted that if you guys just want to have sex, there are places like casa that are in fact safer than just bringing random girl from the bar who are eager to follow you back to your hotel or AirBnb.

In summary,

1) There are no hookup culture in Colombia, do not expect to get lucky as any eager girls are always up to something. Always approach with huge caution and suspicion.

2) Look out for any unattended drink which will give the girl opportunity to roofie you. Drink from a bottle that is opened in front of you if possible. Get a wingman to party in bar to look out for one another.

3) Cedula or ID, snap a copy of it from your phone to consciously let them know that you have their info. Hopefully, that could at least deter.

Stay safe and have lots of Safe Sex, jejeje.[/QUOTE]Points 2 and 3 are a must.

I think with point 1, a lot of it is on personal judgement. Generally speaking, I agree. There are probably red flags like overly eager girls looking to go back to your place within an hour of meeting you in a bar or club. Or the type of group a girl is part of. Also, where you go out has a part to play as well. There are little tell tale signs that should prompt someone to be a bit more cautious. But I wouldn't flat out say that there isn't a hook-up culture; it's less likely on a first meet / date, but much more likely if you meet again.

To see a different view of women in Colombia, watch this from Rami Travel: [URL]https://youtu.be/1twsPd70Kj8[/URL].

Ultimately, there are good and bad people, just like anywhere else. Just keep your wits about you.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2676238]I watched several of David's videos in the past and he is based mainly out of Medellin. Definitely a good tip and he almost could not come out to say it the last minute of his video. In short, he hinted that if you guys just want to have sex, there are places like casa that are in fact safer than just bringing random girl from the bar who are eager to follow you back to your hotel or AirBnb.

In summary,

1) There are no hookup culture in Colombia, do not expect to get lucky as any eager girls are always up to something. Always approach with huge caution and suspicion.

2) Look out for any unattended drink which will give the girl opportunity to roofie you. Drink from a bottle that is opened in front of you if possible. Get a wingman to party in bar to look out for one another.

3) Cedula or ID, snap a copy of it from your phone to consciously let them know that you have their info. Hopefully, that could at least deter.

Stay safe and have lots of Safe Sex, jejeje.[/QUOTE]#1 (There are no hookup culture in Colombia) if someone think that 20-25 year Colombiana can't fall asleep because she is dreaming about 50+ year old Gringo dick and badly need sex, you need ask your mom about that.

#2 you can't 100% control your food, drink, etc. Because when you drunk, have erection, etc man's brain does not work. +there are many other ways to get you dragged or rob you. For example show you a gun, or kick you in the balls. Its more simple than you think.

#3 they will take your phone including your snaps.

New video 2 parts Drugged Tinder Date.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o_Rlu0gldc[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S237wG6pTQ0[/URL]

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2676259]1) Respectfully disagree. There is a very much a hookup culture here. I've experienced it multiple times myself. On dating sites, I have matched, texted and met up with girls for a coffee / beer. If we've clicked, we head back to my hotel and bang. On numerous occasions. Sometimes, the girl just comes straight to the hotel, we chat in the bar for half an hour to build comfort, and then go upstairs to do the deed. No money changes hands. These are regular girls with day jobs. I very rarely drink alcohol with them, and I watch my soft drinks of course, and have all my valuables locked up in various locations in the room.

And on three occasions, these girls have become friends / regulars. I'm seeing one of them tomorrow for our 4th meeting. I like to have a couple of civvie girls in my rotation as well as banging putas in casas.

3) Asking them to give you their cedula so you can take a photo of it will not help built rapport. In fact, it will destroy it. It will kill the mood, and if the girl is a non-WG, then there's a good chance that I can kiss goodbye to any sort of action. And if the girl is a scammer, then having a photo of their cedula on my phone will be of little help if they then scopolamine my ass and steal that phone.

I personally know a guy here who was scopolamined. It happened in a bar, where 2-3 girlfriends were all telling him how handsome he was, and in his own words "they kept making me drink". Two obvious red-flags right there:

A) when 2 or more girl-friends show interest in you with over-the-top compliments, or.

B) they're encouraging you to drink.

Then you have a potential situation. These girls often work in pairs. One distracts you, whilst the other spikes your drink.

Interesting enough, the casas are THE safest place to be from my experience. Even the most rough looking ones, on a dodgy looking calle, seem safe once inside. And the touts who promote them, although very enthusiastic at times, are never rude or aggressive when I say "No gracias."[/QUOTE]Okay, you have a valid point there. I have only heard more than not that there is simply no hook-up culture there like you would experience in the west.

Also, now that I have learned more about scopolamine, the more weary I am. I have to scrutinize a bit more carefully now with all these SA girls who are so eager to meet me. I actually know of an acquaintance that happened to him in Medellin and it was a nightmare for him. All his valuables were stolen and he was knocked out for more than a day.

I think if the hotel front desk needs registration for all visitors, it will avoid that awkwardness of demanding a cedula. I am not sure if most AirBNB apartments there have the same policy or not, but I would feel more at ease if they do at places where I stay.

By the way, my photos are almost instantaneously backed up to the cloud after they are taken.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2676316]New video 2 parts Drugged Tinder Date.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o_Rlu0gldc[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S237wG6pTQ0[/URL][/QUOTE]Someone posted on the video.

1. Never go to an apartment.

2. Never let them in your apartment.

3. Get their social media accounts.

4. Take a selfie with them and send it to your friends at the beginning of the date.

5. Keep your friends updated throughout the date. (Text in the bathroom).

6. Make a video call and introduce them to your friends during the date. It's fun and if they are normal they'll love to try and talk to your American friends.

7. Don't drink anything you haven't prepared or seen prepared.

8. Double date with a friend or group date.

9. Meet people through friends of friends, social / sporting events, school, church, volunteering, etc.

10. Keep a limited amount of money in your travel account. With the majority of your money stored in the main account.

The biggest thing to learn is how they kept the guy for a few days so they can max out his credit card by moving money through a cash app.

Also here is another good video of how foreigners behave badly [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2cGP6BVYQ[/URL].

The conclusion is if you are on a short trip, a GFE is not for you. Either you are going to get hurt or you are going to hurt a woman. I am having second thoughts about meeting girls on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] now.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2676386]Okay, you have a valid point there. I have only heard more than not that there is simply no hook-up culture there like you would experience in the west.

Also, now that I have learned more about scopolamine, the more weary I am. I have to scrutinize a bit more carefully now with all these SA girls who are so eager to meet me. I actually know of an acquaintance that happened to him in Medellin and it was a nightmare for him. All his valuables were stolen and he was knocked out for more than a day.

I think if the hotel front desk needs registration for all visitors, it will avoid that awkwardness of demanding a cedula. I am not sure if most AirBNB apartments there have the same policy or not, but I would feel more at ease if they do at places where I stay.

By the way, my photos are almost instantaneously backed up to the cloud after they are taken.[/QUOTE]You think like children or like a movie fan. The life is not what you see in the movies. If you cross the street on the streetlights you can get the dunk driver, if you are lucky. Or you think that they have to stop because you are the pedestrian and the pedestrian always right. Who cares? If you get overdose, is it important for you if the criminal's pics are saved on the cloud Or if the front desk will resister a girl with ID? She can say any time that you wanted to rape and kill her and that was self-defense, + she doesn't know what kind of drugs you use. She will put some drugs in your pocket and on your hands. What is the next? Drugs will became your problem + a criminal case.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676395]Someone posted on the video.

1. Never go to an apartment.

2. Never let them in your apartment.

3. Get their social media accounts.

4. Take a selfie with them and send it to your friends at the beginning of the date.

5. Keep your friends updated throughout the date. (Text in the bathroom).

6. Make a video call and introduce them to your friends during the date. It's fun and if they are normal they'll love to try and talk to your American friends.

7. Don't drink anything you haven't prepared or seen prepared.

8. Double date with a friend or group date.

9. Meet people through friends of friends, social / sporting events, school, church, volunteering, etc.

10. Keep a limited amount of money in your travel account. With the majority of your money stored in the main account.

The biggest thing to learn is how they kept the guy for a few days so they can max out his credit card by moving money through a cash app.

Also here is another good video of how foreigners behave badly [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2cGP6BVYQ[/URL].

The conclusion is if you are on a short trip, a GFE is not for you. Either you are going to get hurt or you are going to hurt a woman. I am having second thoughts about meeting girls on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] now.[/QUOTE]Some good advice listed. I think if you were to get an escort to your apartment, it would be worth asking her upfront if they were happy if you could check that they didn't have any drugs on them beforehand. Even explain about escopolamina, which they probably know about. If the girl resists, then that is enough to swerve and move to the next escort.

Reading the forum and watching videos about it, it has made me much more wary. I am genuinely thinking about planning how to handle my cash and possibly move my cash out of my bank accounts.

I watched the Vice News video on YouTube; the bit at the end with the gangster, a good ending to the story.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676395]
Also here is another good video of how foreigners behave badly [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2cGP6BVYQ[/URL].

The conclusion is if you are on a short trip, a GFE is not for you. Either you are going to get hurt or you are going to hurt a woman. I am having second thoughts about meeting girls on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] now.[/QUOTE]Never been to Medellin so I cannot comment on that.

However, I can comment that Cartagena no longer feels the same anymore since the pandemic. In part, all these bad actors from the same "A" grade categorical group, to put it diplomatically, has destroyed all the ambiance and fun for the rest of us hobbyist who understands discretion and hence tend to act sensibly in the local environment. As such, I no longer look to Cartagena anymore as my playground destination.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2676424]Some good advice listed. I think if you were to get an escort to your apartment, it would be worth asking her upfront if they were happy if you could check that they didn't have any drugs on them beforehand. Even explain about escopolamina, which they probably know about. If the girl resists, then that is enough to swerve and move to the next escort.

Reading the forum and watching videos about it, it has made me much more wary. I am genuinely thinking about planning how to handle my cash and possibly move my cash out of my bank accounts.

I watched the Vice News video on YouTube; the bit at the end with the gangster, a good ending to the story.[/QUOTE]I think your advice is mainly theoretical, try to do it practical.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2676425]Never been to Medellin so I cannot comment on that.

However, I can comment that Cartagena no longer feels the same anymore since the pandemic. In part, all these bad actors from the same "A" grade categorical group, to put it diplomatically, has destroyed all the ambiance and fun for the rest of us hobbyist who understands discretion and hence tend to act sensibly in the local environment. As such, I no longer look to Cartagena anymore as my playground destination.[/QUOTE]I was in Cartagena before pandemic and it was ok place but bit too many people pulling you over and hassling.

How is situation now, what did you mean that is not as it was before.

Was considering Cartagena after Bogota ao that's why I am asking.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676395]Someone posted on the video.

1. Never go to an apartment.

2. Never let them in your apartment.

3. Get their social media accounts.

4. Take a selfie with them and send it to your friends at the beginning of the date.

5. Keep your friends updated throughout the date. (Text in the bathroom).

6. Make a video call and introduce them to your friends during the date. It's fun and if they are normal they'll love to try and talk to your American friends.

7. Don't drink anything you haven't prepared or seen prepared.[/QUOTE]Is it you first time? Please update your must to do ten points.

11. It's better stay home.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2676449]Is it you first time? Please update your must to do ten points.

11. It's better stay home.[/QUOTE]12. Don't end up dead.

From [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopolamine[/URL].

One common and particularly dangerous method that criminals use in order to rob a victim is through the use of drugs. The most common in Colombia has been scopolamine. Unofficial estimates put the number of annual scopolamine incidents in Colombia at approximately 50,000. Scopolamine can render a victim unconscious for 24 hours or more. In large doses, it can cause respiratory failure and death. It is most often administered in liquid or powder form in foods and beverages. The majority of these incidents occur in night clubs and bars, and usually men, perceived to be wealthy, are targeted by young, attractive women. It is recommended that, to avoid becoming a victim of scopolamine, a person should never accept food or beverages offered by strangers or new acquaintances, nor leave food or beverages unattended in their presence. Victims of scopolamine or other drugs should seek immediate medical attention.

Between 1998 and 2004,13% of emergency-room admissions for "poisoning with criminal intentions" in a clinic of Bogotá, Colombia, have been attributed to scopolamine, and 44% to benzodiazepines. Most commonly, the person has been poisoned by a robber who gave the victim a scopolamine-laced beverage, in the hope that the victim would become unconscious or unable to effectively resist the robbery.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676481]12. Don't end up dead.[/QUOTE]LOL, that is a good one.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676395]Someone posted on the video.

1. Never go to an apartment.

2. Never let them in your apartment.

3. Get their social media accounts.

4. Take a selfie with them and send it to your friends at the beginning of the date.

5. Keep your friends updated throughout the date. (Text in the bathroom).

6. Make a video call and introduce them to your friends during the date. It's fun and if they are normal they'll love to try and talk to your American friends.

7. Don't drink anything you haven't prepared or seen prepared.

8. Double date with a friend or group date.

9. Meet people through friends of friends, social / sporting events, school, church, volunteering, etc.

10. Keep a limited amount of money in your travel account. With the majority of your money stored in the main account.

The biggest thing to learn is how they kept the guy for a few days so they can max out his credit card by moving money through a cash app.

Also here is another good video of how foreigners behave badly [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln2cGP6BVYQ[/URL].

The conclusion is if you are on a short trip, a GFE is not for you. Either you are going to get hurt or you are going to hurt a woman. I am having second thoughts about meeting girls on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] now.[/QUOTE]

Jeez, I must say I like Brazil more as I have way less weird encounters. Tonight I contacted a girl from a new ad in mileroticos, and I went spontaneously there, apartment. She promised me a bunch of stuff and when I arrived she appeared somewhat shy, but responsive, I guess she seemed inexperienced, a little scared of me from time to time. Told me it was her first time or so. We did the deed, she didn't want to do much deepthroating which she had promised me to be open to try. But in the end she wanted to get CIF / CIM. I obliged. On the first squirt she freaked out and cleaned herself while I had 2 more to go into the hand. Ah well. After that we chatted. I felt she was very anxious, cold, I invited her to relax the entire time, come under the covers, she didn't want to. Ah well, so where are you from, etc. Told me,

She: "the apartment is my own. My dad gave it to me. ".

Me: "Does he know what you're doing?

She: "No! He is in prison. ".

Me: "What? How long?

She: "(Over 20) years. ".

Me: "What'd he do, kill someone?

She: "Yeah. Me too," she said, "I too killed someone. ".

Me thinking what the fuck. Is that some kind of psychopath who will proceed to slice me up? Of course I kept my composure, smiling to her a bit incredulously. She telling me she's involved with some gang and there was some conflict with a rival gang at some party and she gunned down one who I supposed attacked her. And she can't go out and I should tell nobody where she lives. But who would ask me? And if you don't want to be found, why are you posting pictures of yourself in full view on mileroticos?

Other strange things, she wanted to take a photo of the two of us, with my phone. Didn't ask to get a copy of it. Told me to share it with nobody.

She wanted me to take her away to Europe, all her boyfriends have left her because of the trouble around her. To live here with her I'd need to pay a body guard. Oh boy.

I dunno. Maybe that's all just invented nonsense. But what if she does have connection to the gangs?

I got dressed about 10 min before my time, all the while continuing to converse. She asked me for a tip, and, TBH, I did give her 50 because I didn't want any problems. Haha. As I went back to my hotel, I watched my back to see if anyone would be following me. In the hotel I deleted the photos because all sorts of shit went through my mind, if perhaps that was some sort of trap.

Anyway, I find Colombia way more weird than Brazil. God, what all I have experienced here. I am still on my post-exposure prophylaxis from my little mistake entering the wrong way. Last year I was blackmailed by threat someone would report me on false charges (the threat was obviously not thought through, so I would not be that impressed.) But man, I feel like I do not want to do a lot more in Colombia. This sort of thing has never happened to me in Brazil. Well, if you discount the dispute I had with one girl who got all mad at me and then said she would do black magic on me.

Oh and I had bowed out of two dates which seemed fishy both on the same day. One was a tinder date where I got contacted. The other was an SA girl who insisted I meet her in her barrio of Ferias instead of coming to me to Chapinero. I bowed out of both because that seemed fishy to me.

Now as for your conversation here, I got curious about this "never go to an apartment" -- so much action happens in apartments. How are you like completely avoiding that? I doubt it. Can't believe I'm the only one here ever having gone to a girl with her own local.

PS: her ad said she was looking for a sugar daddy too, that's a bit strange. Given that she was so insecure with me, I was surprised she asked me when we will see each other next time. I must say, if she hadn't scared the shit out of me, I would possibly have agreed, since the second time around they are often more relaxed and open. But I'm trying to stay away from crazy. BTW, she advertized 140 mil for 40 minutes, 200 for 1 hour. 50 extra for oral natural. That's what I took. Plus the tip to hope I won't get any trouble later.

So this trip has not turned out how I thought it would with mongering. I had so many pent up meetings and necessary social business stuff that I have not been able to connect with any of you or do nearly as many things as I have wanted with mongering. I tried SA this trip and have had some interesting results. I will do another post about that as I built on some good previous advice here.

I am staying in the north near Avenida Pepe Sierra and Carrera 45. It was the best place for my work, which is my actual purpose and how I earn my living, so it is what it is. I had a free late afternoon on a Sunday and started looking on photoprepagos. It was too short notice for my SA prospects, I do not feel comfortable going to areas / random apartments that I don't understand yet, and I didn't want to get a different hotel room just for this purpose that day and dealing with women maybe flaking, so I decided to go for what seemed like would be a sure bet at an agency. I came across Miami Vice VIP ([URL]https://www.miamivicevip.com/[/URL]) and started chatting on WhatsApp. So at this point I know that I could spend way less. But from my perspective I was limited on time and because as I said my schedule has been crazy, it was worth it to me to pay the upcharge for this. My Spanish sucks, but google translate worked. My first couple choices were not available, so they finally just sent me a picture of every woman working. After a few more exchanges, it was confirmed. 250,000 cop. Just a FYI that it took about an hour to work this out. I probably could have done it quicker. But there were delays in between on their part too. It is pretty close to Córdoba Local Park in case that is helpful to anyone. I walked along 108 through the park and through what looked like a pretty wealthy neighborhood. It felt like I was in any suburb in the US. It was around 3:00 pm when I started walking and no issues. Walking back no issues as well.

I got to the house and was let in and brought to a bedroom in the front. It had a queen bed, a tv playing Colombian techno and a fridge with free beers and waters. The woman said to help myself and to wait. I did not have any. A couple of minutes later the woman that I had asked for entered and it was an amazing time. Not sure how much ya'll care about the actual details since its 100% personal preference and chemistry. But I had a good connection about a variety of topics and got an awesome GFE experience. The setting was comfortable and we got to talk, bang, and talk. I got her whatsapp and we are setting up time for drinks and more fun. Paid, so its not like I am some Casanova. But I was able to find a girl that was fun and I felt safe with. It was no rush and got all the time that was paid for.

So hope this helps someone that is similar to me.

[QUOTE=TuneFor;2676447]I was in Cartagena before pandemic and it was ok place but bit too many people pulling you over and hassling.

How is situation now, what did you mean that is not as it was before.

Was considering Cartagena after Bogota ao that's why I am asking.[/QUOTE]Here is the recent post from this guy in which I share the same sentiment.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?582-Cartagena-Reports&p=2676345#post2676345[/URL]

[QUOTE=Igor54;2676449]Is it you first time? Please update your must to do ten points.

11. It's better stay home.[/QUOTE]The #12 is good. To accomplish that, see #11.

I don't post much but feel responsible to share this with the forum. I lived in Bogota at the turn of the century and have been a frequent traveler to Colombia since and have plenty of experience in the establishments in the north of Bogota. I visited Lido's and a no name place across the street from Atlantis Mall last week. I want to share an experience that I had with the waiters at both places. I usually don't drink much in these places due to the high prices, but I was talked into going with a favorite of mine who wanted to check it out. My primary draw to this place was a friendship with the former manager of Lido's. He was the manager of the club Casanova at 86 and 15 prior to Lido's and would always give me a discount on bottle service. He has since retired and been replace by a former Casanova waiter whom I have known for the last 20 years as well.

So we ordered off the menu, and when the bill came it was stepped on with IVA. Now anyone who has purchased anything in Colombia knows that the IVA is included in the price of the purchase. So I review the bill and see the add on of 19% for IVA plus a 10% propina. The 200 mil bill has another 58 mil add on. WTF? I look at the bill and ask what is this? I get some bullshit explanation and tell the guy that I am not going to pay the IVA and he just smiles as says in English no less, "Ok, I want you to be happy" and I peel off the 200 mil and stick it in his hand and get the hell out of there.

So we get in a overpriced taxi and go to the zona rosa to look for the next rumba because I am very alcahuete with my favorita. It is 2 am and all the regular places are closing and we get hustled by a tout (recognize him from the streets as well) and go into a no named place across the street from Atlantis mall. We have a few drinks and the bill comes with an IVA add on and same fucking story. I ask the waiter what is this? He gives me some bullshit of you know how these places work. I tell him, No I don't know how these places, work, but I know how the IVA works in Colombia and no one adds IVA to the price on a menu in the whole fucking country. I tell him that I am not going to pay it, and since I am a stranger to this place I am getting ready for some type of confrontation with the establishment. The guy doesn't even put up a fight and discounts the IVA and I pay the menu price and get the fuck out of there.

I know the users of this forum don't frequent this types of places much in Bogota and focus more on SF, but I wanted to share this scam of adding the IVA to the bill so you can avoid a Noche con IVA.

Pretty much my thoughts when using SA, Tinder. Especially if on a two week or less trip.

While swiping is easier from your couch YMMV. Too many variables to deal with IMHO.

With casas, clubs. You are seeing what you are getting. Usually the only question is how will she perform after you choose her.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2675190]I think guys get all hyped up with the responses from seeking women and this happens all the time there. They get excited chatting with women. What I have to wonder is how many of these "women" are actually men trying to scam guys. When I looked at a woman's responses from seeking on SA, 90+% were scammers. The sex with hos is initially better than seeking women. It is the repeats with the best women where the sex is better than with hos.

Here are the seven rules of seeking in Colombia:

1. You will get stood up.

2. You will spend way, way, way more time than just using an escort agency.

3. The sexual service is NOT better.

4. You will spend way, way more money than an escort agency or lower cost venues like casas, Santa Fe, or Centro in Medellin..[/QUOTE]

A combined 9 months in Colombia, most of that time in Bogota, I have never once been in the Santa Fe street hooker scene, I am curious though, but I fear low quality, dirty place, and being rushed. Nor do I like to frequent nightclubs and bars, that's just unnecessarily expensive. I like the photoprepagos and mileroticos, and then when I find a nice casa that way, I am filing that to come back.

Now I share an observation. I am always interested in new girls, I like them young and fresh, don't like veterans so much, except such girls who, although young, have been in the business forever and really like it, like my little porn starlet in Brazil, who has become almost a personal friend of mine.

And I had it twice now that on mileroticos there are ads of very fresh girls. Twice now I was one of the first customers ever. Last night my little crazy bandido girl. And a week ago another new one. On photoprepago I think it's a little more expensive for them, not sure, there are many who are settled for a month already. But the ones that just started off, I find on mileroticos.

Again, since there has been talk about "don't ever visit an apartment" I like to ask, am I really the only one who visits the girls in their normal working apartment? Everybody else afraid of that?

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2676395]The conclusion is if you are on a short trip, a GFE is not for you. Either you are going to get hurt or you are going to hurt a woman. I am having second thoughts about meeting girls on [URL]seeking.com[/URL] now.[/QUOTE]You should 100% take precautions when traveling and always be aware of your surroundings, but I think some of the fears have been overblown lately.

If you're worried about taking girls back to your place, you can meet in public and go to a love motel. I personally wouldn't go to their apartment, not because I'm worried about being robbed, but because their place probably going to be crappy and cold.

As you've said in previous posts, it doesn't hurt to to get a copy of their ID even if you're not bringing them back to your place. And of course, choose a place in a safe neighborhood with good reviews and requires each guest to show ID regardless of how long they're visiting. I also avoided getting drunk on the trip, never left a drink unattended, and always ordered the Ubers myself.

[QUOTE=ColombianBob;2676651]
I know the users of this forum don't frequent this types of places much in Bogota and focus more on SF, but I wanted to share this scam of adding the IVA to the bill so you can avoid a Noche con IVA.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing and this will definitely come in handy.

Quick question of what IVA stands for and how to say In Spanish so that they will know what it means.

I am probably going to need to practice a few sentences in Spanish repeating what you had just said. That IVA should be included in the price per Colombian regulation. I am not going to pay for it. And please kindly remove it from the bill.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2676692]You should 100% take precautions when traveling and always be aware of your surroundings, but I think some of the fears have been overblown lately.

If you're worried about taking girls back to your place, you can meet in public and go to a love motel. I personally wouldn't go to their apartment, not because I'm worried about being robbed, but because their place probably going to be crappy and cold.

As you've said in previous posts, it doesn't hurt to to get a copy of their ID even if you're not bringing them back to your place. And of course, choose a place in a safe neighborhood with good reviews and requires each guest to show ID regardless of how long they're visiting. I also avoided getting drunk on the trip, never left a drink unattended, and always ordered the Ubers myself.[/QUOTE]On SA I never had a problem. Most girls that I pick are no pros. I meet them over lunch and have a conversation. This filters out those who don't meet without having a payment for just that, which I'm not going to do, pay someone to take her out for lunch. All girls I had met (over a dozen) were just normal girls, each having their financial issues, of course lots of flakes or no-goes, none of them bad people or would put me into any danger. In one case I had one who didn't want to go for lunch and wanted to meet in hotel and do the deed right away, since she didn't want to come to the hotel I chose, I cancelled that meeting. Sad, because her photos really spoke to me on a deeper level. But that's life. I think the key about avoiding danger is for you to be in charge of selecting time and place, meet in public places first, etc.

Please make a comment.

I've opened a free SA account. I 've never used SA to see girls. Please comment my research and my steps.

1. I have a free account.

2. I did a search on 20 March, 2022. My filters are: 18 year old To 30 year old, profiles with pictures, Bogota, Colombia.

3. I see 188 girl's profiles, and I sorted my search by show "Recently active" first.

4. I checked the first page = 30 profiles, and #18 profile from the top of the list shows that #18 girl on the list was "Last Active" on Mar 2, 2022. That was 20 days ago.

5. My conclusion is: SA in Bogota is very slow, next to the waste of time and money, considering that most of "Last Active" girls on SA-Bogota just registered their accounts.

Please share your opinion and say that I am wrong.

Thanks.

Impuesto Valor Añadido, that is VAT.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2676703]Thanks for sharing and this will definitely come in handy.

Quick question of what IVA stands for and how to say In Spanish so that they will know what it means.

I am probably going to need to practice a few sentences in Spanish repeating what you had just said. That IVA should be included in the price per Colombian regulation. I am not going to pay for it. And please kindly remove it from the bill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Igor54;2676751]Please make a comment.

I've opened a free SA account. I 've never used SA to see girls. Please comment my research and my steps.

1. I have a free account.

2. I did a search on 20 March, 2022. My filters are: 18 year old To 30 year old, profiles with pictures, Bogota, Colombia.

3. I see 188 girl's profiles, and I sorted my search by show "Recently active" first.

4. I checked the first page = 30 profiles, and #18 profile from the top of the list shows that #18 girl on the list was "Last Active" on Mar 2, 2022. That was 20 days ago.

5. My conclusion is: SA in Bogota is very slow, next to the waste of time and money, considering that most of "Last Active" girls on SA-Bogota just registered their accounts..[/QUOTE]Something is definitely wrong. Bogota has 10,000+ results with age filters only. It surprisingly has more profiles than some more popular cities in South America.

Get rid of the other filters except age and see if that works. I usually put 0-10 miles as the distance because Bogota is a large city.

If that doesn't work, get rid of all filters and see everyone in "Bogota, Bogota, Colombia." You should see 10,000+.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2676751]Please make a comment.

I've opened a free SA account. I 've never used SA to see girls. Please comment my research and my steps.

1. I have a free account.

2. I did a search on 20 March, 2022. My filters are: 18 year old To 30 year old, profiles with pictures, Bogota, Colombia.

3. I see 188 girl's profiles, and I sorted my search by show "Recently active" first.

4. I checked the first page = 30 profiles, and #18 profile from the top of the list shows that #18 girl on the list was "Last Active" on Mar 2, 2022. That was 20 days ago.

5. My conclusion is: SA in Bogota is very slow, next to the waste of time and money, considering that most of "Last Active" girls on SA-Bogota just registered their accounts..[/QUOTE]I think you have limited your distance range. I did the exact same filters but moved the range to within 50 miles of Bogota and got 10,000+ profiles. I filtered for slim and athletic and was down to 5059 profiles.

Don't bother. Skip It forever.

Unless you like:

Mediocre unromantic sex.

Sex with a condom.

Flawed bodies.

Rudeness.

You might get lucky a few times, as I have in 8 months, but overall it is a negative experience.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2676692]You should 100% take precautions when traveling and always be aware of your surroundings, but I think some of the fears have been overblown lately.

If you're worried about taking girls back to your place, you can meet in public and go to a love motel. I personally wouldn't go to their apartment, not because I'm worried about being robbed, but because their place probably going to be crappy and cold.

As you've said in previous posts, it doesn't hurt to to get a copy of their ID even if you're not bringing them back to your place. And of course, choose a place in a safe neighborhood with good reviews and requires each guest to show ID regardless of how long they're visiting. I also avoided getting drunk on the trip, never left a drink unattended, and always ordered the Ubers myself.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Great comment. Some guys over on another thread here in Medellin going on that Colombia is the most dangerous place in the world! Idiots, it is very safe. Just don't be an idiot or dumbass and you will be fine! Always had fun in Bogota.

What country / city has the best experience in your view? I have done my part of mongering during the past 30 years but not Bogota yet.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;2676847]Don't bother. Skip It forever.

Unless you like:

Mediocre unromantic sex.

Sex with a condom.

Flawed bodies.

Rudeness.

You might get lucky a few times, as I have in 8 months, but overall it is a negative experience.[/QUOTE]

Last night Sunday in Santa Fe around 10 pm they had police come and shutdown all the clubs for not checking vaccination records to enter. First time this trip it was asked for in Bogotá except at restaurant / bars. By default of lack of customers paisas was the only club to stay open as they were lucky and compliant. Showed that maybe 30 men and 20 women were actually vaccinated. Prior to Fiebre, Atonis had maybe 15- 20 girls tops. 10 in Venus and 10 in paisas. One cute tiny blonde Vennie at the street corner entering red light area first street. Friday and Saturday nights were good all though this trip I definitely found the very best girls were out on Friday more than saturdays in Santa Fe.

Banged probably 18 girls in 6 days total in Bogotá.

Found a really tall blonde Venezuelan Alejandra in paisas and Fiebre on Friday nights great service this girl could perfectly deep throat me whole 7" smoothly. Natural body with a nice butt and decent boobs.

Found a really tall light black skinned girl in Atonis this weekend great natural butt and she could deep throat as well. She had a gigantic Afro of blond curly hair dancing around like predator LOL.

Relived memories with 5 hotties I had seen before in Fiebre and had good service.

Disappointed though as my favorite Colombian girl Sara had apparently semi retired and moved to Cartagena.

Also to note it seems like there is decline in the number and quality of Venezuelan girls in Santa Fe. My all time favorite Itali from Fiebre has apparently moved back to Venezuela with a few of her friends. She had the tiniest body and biggest soft plump Ass. She had just got a boob job at Christmas but I missed out on her this trip.

Massage parlours.

Went to Loutron Saturday at 5 pm only 5 girls I would suggest going a little later say 6:30 as in some reviews. Sessions with a cute little brunette in Victoria secret with a tiny waist and fake booty. Cost was 540 pesos with drinks.

Went to mezzanine twice on Saturday they had one really cute girl around 3:30 pm.

In review this is my third time here in 8 months and I think the best girls are leaving. It peaked for me in Bogotá 2 years ago with all the Venezuela chica boom arriving. Think they are starting to find better places to operate. Even some la Isla favorites have started working in the Dominican Republic instead.

Think I will hit up Brazil next as Covid restrictions ease. Bought a bunch of reals last year. For a great exchange rate. 35 percent off what I used to pay LOL.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2677026]What country / city has the best experience in your view? I have done my part of mongering during the past 30 years but not Bogota yet.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. The "most beautiful woman in the world" apparently have moved to other parts of the world. Found much better quality Colombianas in NYC, panama, Aruba, Spain. I had a paisa mistress in USA and she was loving, tender and the sex was incredible. With the pros in Colombia, might as well jerk off. Extras for basic things like BBBJ and CIM (hahaha. Food luck on that one). Waste of time and money.

Going to tey and post into several categories as this seems to time out.

1) my monger profile (I think its important to know; are you old, young, white, black.

2) my view on quality in Bogota and Medellin.

3) my thoughts of gringos (both black and white) in Colombian.

4) Medellin vs Bogota (don't waste your time in either.

5) my experiences in Bogota (don't waste your time).

6) where to stay and transportation.

After two beers. Walked around a 4 block radius. First of all, there are no "beautiful" women here (Penelope Cruz, Selma Hayek). A couple of fair skinned girls looked ok to fuck. None would be let into higher end hotels.

Medellin vs Bogota racial makeup. I don't remember seen any black local people in Medellin; you will find a lot more blacks and mixed mulatos in Santa Fe. For me an 6-8 is my wife or my paisa ex-mistress in USA. Stupid me thought I would find this type all over the place in Medellin or Bogota. Reality check, beauty is not common. There is no magic potion in the water that makes the average Colombian woman more beautiful than the rest of the world. Most posters are really taking about our economic advantage, exploitation & access to younger and more attractive women (relatively) than what they can ever hope to attract in the USA.

I know is preaching but really wanted to give a different perspective for late 40's higher income mongers that are not necessarily looking to fuck for the cheapest or racking up 3-4 girls per day. I tried loutron on Saturday. No good options walked out of the place. Picked up a shy, cute, petite Venezuelan in Copacabana; took her back to JW Marriott; overpaid 1 mil copa (she wanted 1.5 for 5 hrs). Only did it because I got hammered at the club and wasn't making right decisions.

I guess my original post was too controversial and was not Approved by moderator. Bottom line is that Santa Fe is probably the most "dangerous" feeling place I have been to. I was on guard as soon as the uber dropped me off at Troja club. Haha; even the uber driver was a little concerned. Most likely nothing will happen; but if you would ever be a victim if a crime it most likely will happen here.

5.36 and in trajan club now? Beer goggles on; 1-2 girls seem ok. Place seems safe; except foe the obvious group of guys that would probably rob you outside! Haha, profiling keeps you alive. Young local guys, money is no object; acting like they own the place.

[QUOTE=PunterMonger;2677106]With the pros in Colombia, might as well jerk off. Extras for basic things like BBBJ and CIM (hahaha. Food luck on that one). Waste of time and money.[/QUOTE]Bro,

With the greatest of respect, you seem to have decided that Bogota is truly awful for mongering and are seeing everything through that filter of rejection.

BBBJ and CIM? I got that on my very first punt at Tantra Spa. For 80 K, and the girl had a lovely attitude too.

Have a read of some of the reports I've written recently regarding numerous casas. Admittedly, you won't find any 8's or 9's there, but I've had largely wonderful experiences for very low costs.

And I've had great "un ratos" for 30 K.

And you mentioning that you payed 1.0 million and are staying at the JW Marriott may be a humble brag, but money doesn't always buy better experiences. And frankly, paying a girl for 5 hours before you've tried her a short time to test her attitude / performance is a recipe for disappointment. You could have literally banged 10 girls in numerous casas for 300 K and then on another day repeat for longer times with your favourites or get their WhatsApp's and they would have come to your hotel, and given you GFE for 100 K. For 1.0 million, you could have banged to the point where your dick would have begged you for some rest.

[QUOTE=PunterMonger;2677195]After two beers. Walked around a 4 block radius. First of all, there are no "beautiful" women here (Penelope Cruz, Selma Hayek). A couple of fair skinned girls looked ok to fuck. None would be let into higher end hotels.

Medellin vs Bogota racial makeup. I don't remember seen any black local people in Medellin; you will find a lot more blacks and mixed mulatos in Santa Fe. For me an 6-8 is my wife or my paisa ex-mistress in USA. Stupid me thought I would find this type all over the place in Medellin or Bogota. Reality check, beauty is not common. There is no magic potion in the water that makes the average Colombian woman more beautiful than the rest of the world. Most posters are really taking about our economic advantage, exploitation & access to younger and more attractive women (relatively) than what they can ever hope to attract in the USA.

I know is preaching but really wanted to give a different perspective for late 40's higher income mongers that are not necessarily looking to fuck for the cheapest or racking up 3-4 girls per day. I tried loutron on Saturday. No good options walked out of the place. Picked up a shy, cute, petite Venezuelan in Copacabana; took her back to JW Marriott; overpaid 1 mil copa (she wanted 1.5 for 5 hrs). Only did it because I got hammered at the club and wasn't making right decisions.[/QUOTE]I quite agree on this one.

Average Colombian girl is way bellow European girls look and it is big jungle over there to find good value because good ones knows how rear they are.

Giving it another try because I am already in Carribean area due to work so lets hope this time I can use experience from last visit.

If you are bit drunk or easy on trigger they will rip you of so easily.

Best fuck I had last time was actually were 2 cheapest ones.

Santa Fe might be good if you speak Spanish and going there with friend or two but alone and with limited Spanish with Gringo look you are always on your toes and looking over your shoulder.

Knowing spanish is key in S. America and without it is quite difficult.

[QUOTE=PunterMonger;2677195]After two beers. Walked around a 4 block radius. First of all, there are no "beautiful" women here (Penelope Cruz, Selma Hayek). A couple of fair skinned girls looked ok to fuck. None would be let into higher end hotels.[/QUOTE]In 20 trips to Santa Fe, I saw 2 gals that IMO were 9's. Another monger who went there daily said he never saw higher than an 8.

[QUOTE=PunterMonger;2677195]For me an 6-8 is my wife or my paisa ex-mistress in USA. Stupid me thought I would find this type all over the place in Medellin or Bogota. Reality check, beauty is not common. There is no magic potion in the water that makes the average Colombian woman more beautiful than the rest of the world.[/QUOTE]Nah, just go to neighboring Peru or Bolivia and you will change your mind. There is no one there that looks as good as in Colombia. I do think people think there are beauties everywhere but the reality is Colombia is good for cheap and quantity not quality. The issue with Colombia versus say Sao Paulo is the 10's are all in one place in SP. Thing is even the higher end clubs are not that much better than the ones in SF.

I have not used the escort agencies nor Twitter in Bogota but I would think the beauty / hit rate would be higher there than Santa Fe. Thing is it is easy to alter the photos but when you see the videos on Twitter, that is a lot harder to fake IMO. To start on Twitter, I would go to #PrepagosBogota.

I used seeking / SA and selected for beauty. I had six or so women who blew away anything in Santa Fe and were much classier to boot. If you can stay at JW, I would get on seeking, pay the $100, and select out the hottest women. You should not have a problem bringing these women in your hotel. You will get a high response rate. Just make sure you have a backup plan as the girls from seeking cancel all the time. I do not buy that you need great Spanish to communicate. I got good with google translate and was able to communicate well. Hope this helps. Good luck.

[QUOTE=PunterMonger;2677195]overpaid 1 mil copa (she wanted 1.5 for 5 hrs). Only did it because.[/QUOTE]This is the funniest thing that I have read all year. LOL.

[QUOTE=PunterMonger;2677211]I guess my original post was too controversial and was not Approved by moderator. Bottom line is that Santa Fe is probably the most "dangerous" feeling place I have been to. I was on guard as soon as the uber dropped me off at Troja club. Haha; even the uber driver was a little concerned. Most likely nothing will happen; but if you would ever be a victim if a crime it most likely will happen here.

5.36 and in trajan club now? Beer goggles on; 1-2 girls seem ok. Place seems safe; except foe the obvious group of guys that would probably rob you outside! Haha, profiling keeps you alive. Young local guys, money is no object; acting like they own the place.[/QUOTE]What seems "dangerous" is not always the most dangerous. I was walking with a friend, actually we were walking down toward the downtown area from Monserrate, and on the main road a couple of police stopped us. They said that road, specifically the next couple of hundred meters, was extremely dangerous. They actually stayed with us until a cab came by that we were able to get into. The cabby was nervous about stopping, but it was a busy road and he got us back downtown.

I did see a few suspicious looking loitering people on the other side of the street just ahead of where the police stopped to help us. I didn't think much of it. But the police said that they would or could have done us harm had we walked by. Anyway. My point is that sometimes what doesn't look that dangerous may be. The converse also applies.

Hey,

My Airbnb has not proved girl friendly. I tried two different hotels in my area and they were even worse. Info listed below for searching purposes, but can anyone help me out? I am ideally not looking for anything super expensive. I was going to give Hotel Lancaster House but it is frequently booked. I don't mind a little uber ride but would prefer to stay sort of in this area.

Comfort 80 Casttella Hotel calle 95 #45 a35- locked front door and a single employee that has to let you in. Took forever to answer the door. It was also mostly empty. I think its more used for the medical place near by.

Apart ascites Bellmore 45 a25 CL 108. - again, locked front door that they have to let you in. Took a while to answer door.

There seems to have been a few posts about how bad the sex is here, or the quality of the girls, so I'd like to add my two-pence worth.

I've punted in numerous countries and dated civvies in even more, and my take is that if someone likes the European look (blonde hair, blue eyes, slim figures) then they will be disappointed with Bogota. The girls here have black hair, wide hips, and big asses. Frankly, I love that look, and so for me, the casas here are a very nice playground.

Another difference I've found is that the girls tend to be sweet (I know, that sounds weird right), tender and more GFE than their equivalents in Europe who tend to me more hardened, and mechanical. Out of the 20+ girls I've banged here, only 1 was a total let-down, and another 1 was a mediocre experience. On the whole, they've had good attitudes and willing to please.

My formula in Bogota was to try an un rato with the girls for 30 K, and if we clicked, then the next time, I'd go for a longer time period. I met some lovely girls, who were very willing and enthusiastic in the room.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2677398]What seems "dangerous" is not always the most dangerous. I was walking with a friend, actually we were walking down toward the downtown area from Monserrate, and on the main road a couple of police stopped us. They said that road, specifically the next couple of hundred meters, was extremely dangerous. They actually stayed with us until a cab came by that we were able to get into. The cabby was nervous about stopping, but it was a busy road and he got us back downtown.
[/QUOTE]I thought Monserrate suppose to be the most tourist spot in Bogota.

How is parque 93 areas for walking around in the night (not late night).

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2677357]This is the funniest thing that I have read all year. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah it was. No matter how drunk I get there is no way I would give a chick 1 million pesos to fuck. If anything, drunkness would make me cuss a broad out for even fixing her mouth to ask for that much. If she had only known the sky was the limit because the guy was drunk. Like the song says, blame it on the alcohol.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677444]There seems to have been a few posts about how bad the sex is here, or the quality of the girls, so I'd like to add my two-pence worth.

I've punted in numerous countries and dated civvies in even more, and my take is that if someone likes the European look (blonde hair, blue eyes, slim figures) then they will be disappointed with Bogota.[/QUOTE]What is up with this going to a place expecting to fuck chicks that look like chicks in another place? All that says is that people did not do basic homework.
Because you can get on a local hooker site like mileroticos for 2 seconds or even google people location and see images of how the local population looks. Who has expectations of going to Hawaii to see Africans?

Glad I don't have a problem going somewhere and not being able to pick from what is available to fuck, instead of being disappointed that they don't look like chicks somewhere else. This is too easy to avoid in the internet era.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2677500]Yeah it was. No matter how drunk I get there is no way I would give a chick 1 million pesos to fuck. If anything, drunkness would make me cuss a broad out for even fixing her mouth to ask for that much. If she had only known the sky was the limit because the guy was drunk. Like the song says, blame it on the alcohol.[/QUOTE]I know that's right. No wonder these girls target foreigners and take advantage of them. They wouldn't dare ask a local Colombian for that kind of money. They know exactly who to go after.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2677482]I thought Monserrate suppose to be the most tourist spot in Bogota.

How is parque 93 areas for walking around in the night (not late night).[/QUOTE]Is somewhat safe but you are talking the top of the mountain it's safe, If your speaking of La Candelaria, the tourist area below the mountain, then now it's not safe, especially at night.

I'm very familiar with Parque 93 area. My hotel is located 200 meters from the center of the park. I've been staying in the area for many years and have never had a problem. A few years ago I would not think twice of walking back to the hotel at any time day or night. BUT now I would be wary at night. I love the area but even Parque 93 has had robbers burst into the restaurants and rob the restaurant and dinners. However I would say this is one of the safest, zone 6 to stay in Bogota.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2677482]I thought Monserrate suppose to be the most tourist spot in Bogota.

How is parque 93 areas for walking around in the night (not late night).[/QUOTE]Monserrate is ok. Just don't walk back down into the city from there. Lots of cabs and buses I think too.

My current plan is to stay at the Four Point Sheraton, reading reports here the hotel is guest friendly. Looking at the map Loutron is within walking distance from the hotel, anything else that is adult-related around that area that is a quick walk?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2677559] I'm very familiar with Parque 93 area. My hotel is located 200 meters from the center of the park. I've been staying in the area for many years and have never had a problem. A few years ago I would not think twice of walking back to the hotel at any time day or night. BUT now I would be wary at night. I love the area but even Parque 93 has had robbers burst into the restaurants and rob the restaurant and dinners. However I would say this is one of the safest, zone 6 to stay in Bogota.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2671771]I went to a casa on Calle 57 today, Chapinero, and banged 4 chicas, each "un rato" for a 35 K, as a trial run.[/QUOTE]Impressive. Out of curiosity, are you using a drug to do that bang 4 girls in one visit? Or are some of you naturally that horny? Or maybe this is some tantric sex thing and you aren't jizzing. I think, sadly for me, I'm on the other end of the spectrum. If I have sex it might be 2-3 days before I want to do it again. Though some of that could be I'm too nervous and stressed in some of these places. That probably means I should try to get a girlfriend and not hookers. Haha.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2677482]I thought Monserrate suppose to be the most tourist spot in Bogota.

How is parque 93 areas for walking around in the night (not late night).[/QUOTE]I stayed 3 blocks from Parque 93 and felt safe walking around all hours of the night. I would definitely recommend it this is your first time in the city. The latest the bars close is 1 AM (and most earlier than that).

I stayed at apartments called Area 97. You can find them on Airbnb or just Google it for their website. It's very guest friendly and free to bring women back. I had women stay until 3 AM without any issues.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2677522]What is up with this going to a place expecting to fuck chicks that look like chicks in another place? All that says is that people did not do basic homework.
Because you can get on a local hooker site like mileroticos for 2 seconds or even google people location and see images of how the local population looks. Who has expectations of going to Hawaii to see Africans?
[/QUOTE]Spot on Mr E. Exactly my sentiments. If I wanted to buy a burger I'd go to a fast food place, if I wanted a pizza, I'd go to a pizzarea. I wouldn't go to McDonalds and complain that they don't do pizzas.

The reason why I am in Colombia is because I totally love the Colombian female body shape. No other girls have this. And I love their sweet, tender nature. Yes, even the putas in the casas have this certain loveliness and warmth that I haven't experienced in any other place. I love the Rolas in Bogota, and even just taking a trip on the Transmilenio is a good sexual experience for me, with the sight of all those lovely babes coming back from work / uni.

I have made this repore before.

In Vancouver some time ago I picked up a beautiful hooker. Blond, small and very cute. We talk terms, make a deal and head to my room. I had a car and was staying at a motel on the outskirts of Vancouver. I bought a six pack of beer earlier. We set down to enjoy a beer and get acquainted. I make a head call. 15 20 minutes later and we are really enjoying each other laughing and joking. We are setting in the living room in lounge chairs with a small table. Out of nowhere my cute little blond jumps up and says you sob you switched the beers. Ok so what's the big deal. Were on the second floor and it had a back entrance with steps to the parking lot. Out the door she goes, still screaming that I switched the beers. I stood there watching that cute little butt bouncing off the side rails of the stairs and she almost made it to the bottom but had a bad fall at the bottom landing, and a car pulled up then a rather large guy jumps out grabs her and stuffs her in the back door. OK so I finally put 2+2 together and I guess I lucked out.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677677]Spot on Mr E. Exactly my sentiments. If I wanted to buy a burger I'd go to a fast food place, if I wanted a pizza, I'd go to a pizzarea. I wouldn't go to McDonalds and complain that they don't do pizzas.

The reason why I am in Colombia is because I totally love the Colombian female body shape. No other girls have this. And I love their sweet, tender nature. Yes, even the putas in the casas have this certain loveliness and warmth that I haven't experienced in any other place. I love the Rolas in Bogota, and even just taking a trip on the Transmilenio is a good sexual experience for me, with the sight of all those lovely babes coming back from work / uni.[/QUOTE]I agree. As always, personal preference is a thing. I was at a we work a few years ago in Bogota waiting in the lobby for 45 minutes around lunch time. My jaw dropped at about 80% of the professional women making their way through. I love Colombian women.

This is an old story that happened in Montiral.

I had my first very bad experience using SB. They said they only see guys together, for safety reasons. That they have been best friends forever. The girl I interacted with online seemed very nice, well-spoken. I agreed to meet them at the hotel room. They were cute! Mid-twenties. We chatted for a while, everything seems good but chit-chat was dragging on a bit. As always, I had left the money out on the dresser. I was too naive and trusting After a bit they asked if I smoked, I said no. They said they were going to go for a quick smoke. They left a andécessaire on the dresser (they had already taken the money). Then they left and never came back. Blocked my number and profile, obviously.

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;2677712]I have made this repore before.

In Vancouver some time ago I picked up a beautiful hooker. Blond, small and very cute. We talk terms, make a deal and head to my room. I had a car and was staying at a motel on the outskirts of Vancouver. I bought a six pack of beer earlier. We set down to enjoy a beer and get acquainted. I make a head call. 15 20 minutes later and we are really enjoying each other laughing and joking. We are setting in the living room in lounge chairs with a small table. Out of nowhere my cute little blond jumps up and says you sob you switched the beers. Ok so what's the big deal. Were on the second floor and it had a back entrance with steps to the parking lot. Out the door she goes, still screaming that I switched the beers. I stood there watching that cute little butt bouncing off the side rails of the stairs and she almost made it to the bottom but had a bad fall at the bottom landing, and a car pulled up then a rather large guy jumps out grabs her and stuffs her in the back door. OK so I finally put 2+2 together and I guess I lucked out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2674801]Here is the correct link for the map.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1CX1vHGuVsmU_8yLjh7e8kCQQ7F_uTduz&ll=4.652436578191971%2C-74.06181521424033&z=16[/URL][/QUOTE]I can verify that Mtjay's map is a good one. Last Friday around 2 PM, I started out at Rosquillas 64. A few girls available but none really caught my eye. The Donde Diego bar next door had a couple forgettable ones. Walking up carrera 15 past calle 66, there were shaggers out front of Bar Palma Real and Rosquillas 66 which were each fighting very hard for me to go in to their bar but not the other. Funny! Rosquillas 66 had 5 or 6 with a couple that were tempting. But I wanted to see more casas before coming back to the best.

A shagger took me to the Tokio bar near calle 65 a. Disappointing. Then I went back up Carrera 15 and checked out La Bonita and Sirenitas near Calle 67. Sirenitas was a bit disappointing but I can confirm previous posts that La Bonita is the best of the lot. There were maybe a total of 10-15 girls in two separate rooms not mingling with the guys in the bar area but occasionally they would come out for a presentation.

I'm probably pickier than most but perhaps 3 to 4 of these were good enough for my taste and I picked one. A 25 year old cute Venezuelan. Pricing seemed about the same at all clubs. 35 k per half hour. It was 20 k more for besos and 20 k more for oral natural. So total of 75 k or about $20 USA I had a pretty good session and was on my way.

Next I walked to Tantras on Calle 72 of the map. It was closed and a guy handed me a flyer to Bar 69 on carrera 13 if I remember correctly. It wasn't clear if this was a new location for Tantras or he was just directing me to a different bar. I never went to Bar 69 though.

I didn't check out any other bars in the area like on Calle 68 and this was my total Bogota tour as I was just on a layover. This area of Chapinero is a real winner in my mind for convenience of checking out multiple locations quickly. I'm sure it's a fast moving target and if I would have come an hour earlier or hour later I may have had a different experience.

Thanks to Mtjay and Fudi Maar and others who contributed which helped me out greatly.

I just wanted to share my tips for [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] and similar sites. I am sure some of these things are either obvious or ymwv, but figured it was worth sharing my experience.

Since I was having trouble with hotels where I was staying, I figured I would try my shot at either an independent that could host or to find some casas near by or spas on the websites. I ran out of time to actually visit any since I was meeting up with two different SA girls and I prioritized that, but I feel as though I have a good strategy next time to cut down on wasted time. It seems like some of you have quick, but I am self limiting the areas I am going to so far and my time in between work things limited my ability to go far.

1) Probably the number one thing is that I made the assumption that it was like the sites in the US where generally there are no appointments and you can be at a girls place or hotel in under 30 minutes after messaging when she has posted in the last hour or two. In many cases I got responses hours or sometimes the next day saying they were not working until X day and times. This was even for ones that posted like 5 minutes in the past. I wasted a lot of time committed to the idea of making it happen within a couple hour span until I figured this out. I feel as though if I had just turboed through all the girls I was interested a day or two in advance with my standard intro and questions, that it would have been far easier to make something happen.

I realize that some could just be busy, but most of the quick responses from posts in the last 5 to 30 minutes would chat and and answer my questions, but then when I tried to arrange for right away or later that day they would say that they were not working.

2) The locations are very general and sometimes off by quite a bit. This should have been obvious, but just saying. No big deal, but it wasted time in many cases since I have to Google translate things.

3) I was initially not messaging girls that specifically stated oral with a condom and did not mention oral natural as an upcharge. When I started asking, it was available 100% of the time for a 50 k upcharge.

4) Sundays seem like a bad day to coordinate stuff.

If you are into Escorts (Either Agency or Independent) get a paid membership on [URL]https://foroprepagoscolombia.com/[/URL] . It's basically the Yelp of Bogota escorts. The site is in Spanish but google chrome does a good job of automatically translating content plus the mongers on that site are very helpful, post a message that starts with "Hay I am gringo. " and then post it your message in English and Spanish (Use google translate).

[QUOTE=LumberJackct85;2678613]I just wanted to share my tips for [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] and similar sites. I am sure some of these things are either obvious or ymwv, but figured it was worth sharing my experience.

Since I was having trouble with hotels where I was staying, I figured I would try my shot at either an independent that could host or to find some casas near by or spas on the websites. I ran out of time to actually visit any since I was meeting up with two different SA girls and I prioritized that, but I feel as though I have a good strategy next time to cut down on wasted time. It seems like some of you have quick, but I am self limiting the areas I am going to so far and my time in between work things limited my ability to go far.

1) Probably the number one thing is that I made the assumption that it was like the sites in the US where generally there are no appointments and you can be at a girls place or hotel in under 30 minutes after messaging when she has posted in the last hour or two. In many cases I got responses hours or sometimes the next day saying they were not working until X day and times. This was even for ones that posted like 5 minutes in the past. I wasted a lot of time committed to the idea of making it happen within a couple hour span until I figured this out. I feel as though if I had just turboed through all the girls I was interested a day or two in advance with my standard intro and questions, that it would have been far easier to make something happen.

I realize that some could just be busy, but most of the quick responses from posts in the last 5 to 30 minutes would chat and and answer my questions, but then when I tried to arrange for right away or later that day they would say that they were not working.

2) The locations are very general and sometimes off by quite a bit. This should have been obvious, but just saying. No big deal, but it wasted time in many cases since I have to Google translate things.

3) I was initially not messaging girls that specifically stated oral with a condom and did not mention oral natural as an upcharge. When I started asking, it was available 100% of the time for a 50 k upcharge.

4) Sundays seem like a bad day to coordinate stuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LumberJackct85;2678613]1) Probably the number one thing is that I made the assumption that it was like the sites in the US where generally there are no appointments and you can be at a girls place or hotel in under 30 minutes after messaging when she has posted in the last hour or two. In many cases I got responses hours or sometimes the next day saying they were not working until X day and times. This was even for ones that posted like 5 minutes in the past. I wasted a lot of time committed to the idea of making it happen within a couple hour span until I figured this out. I feel as though if I had just turboed through all the girls I was interested a day or two in advance with my standard intro and questions,[/QUOTE]You have to understand that if you plan to make some type of appointment then you also take a chance on the chick not showing up or going dark. You were on the right track though IMHO.

What I do is I load all the chicks into my phone at the same time. I list them as xx name BOG (or other location). "xx Julie 23 BOG. I then go to my secondary whatsapp and add them to that by using the easy search xx BOG so they will all pop up. Go to whatapp and resfresh the list. Then search xx BOG in whatsapp and all the names pop up. Then send a simple message saying Hola. Estas disponible? (Hello,. Are you available) to as many as you want. Then they answer with their script.

This message casts a wide net so you can not get your heart set on any particular one at the moment, but you weed out the ones that do not respond fast enough. Here is an example of how it works here in Peru. You can see how one chick answered 10 minutes later and another answered 6 hours later. And there are others that answer days or even weeks later. That is just how hoes operate and is part of the reason they can't do anything else except sell ass. If you are expecting them to be reliable or punctual then you need to lower your expectations.

In Central and South America, especially in Colombia. Punctuality is assumed in the States but not so much in Latin America. Back when I did a lot of mongering I would always double and triple book an hour apart from each girl. If I planned on meeting one woman for the night. Nothing messes up a short trip especially, when you get a no show and your left with you dick in your hand. And have to start all over again trying to find a girl available. If I didn't hear back from my date an hour after our meet time, I would text her saying something came up and I can't meet and I'd go to my next girl and firm it up with her to meet. Brazil and Colombia have been to most common for being late or even no show and be be surprised if when you finally speak to them they act as if nothing happened. Jaja As my girl has told me many many times, when running late, over the last few years in Colombia " Baby it's common in my country" It's in the culture, Professors and students continuously show up late class, showing up late for dentist appointments etc etc. What we view, in the states as being rude and inconsiderate by being late is not the case in Colombia. Good luck.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2678977]As my girl has told me many many times, when running late, over the last few years in Colombia " Baby it's common in my country" It's in the culture, Professors and students continuously show up late class, showing up late for dentist appointments etc etc. What we view, in the states as being rude and inconsiderate by being late is not the case in Colombia.[/QUOTE]What did she say about showing up to work late or the boss showing up with their paycheck late?

[QUOTE=ArmnHammer69;2677032]Last night Sunday in Santa Fe around 10 pm they had police come and shutdown all the clubs for not checking vaccination records to enter. First time this trip it was asked for in Bogot except at restaurant / bars. By default of lack of customers paisas was the only club to stay open as they were lucky and compliant. Showed that maybe 30 men and 20 women were actually vaccinated. Prior to Fiebre, Atonis had maybe 15- 20 girls tops. 10 in Venus and 10 in paisas. One cute tiny blonde Vennie at the street corner entering red light area first street. Friday and Saturday nights were good all though this trip I definitely found the very best girls were out on Friday more than saturdays in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]I went on Thursday night, Nice SG selection and the clubs were busy-- I talked to my bouncer friend at Venus and he said the police did their shake down and they're good for now-.

Lotsa police everywhere I saw some on bikes which I have never seen in SF before.

I was in Troya, Atonis and Venus was not carded at all, great action in Atonis and Venus. There were alot of Hotties. I have steady in Venus and she was busy doing lapdances and I snuck upstairs with another really hot girl who I had my eye on (60 mil). Someone snitched on me and she sent me a text later saying she saw me but she would forgive me if I came back and smashed her, so I did LOL-- seemed like she had not had sex that night -- but who knows?

TODAY this early afternoon I got texted by this other cute spinner SG I have been smashing. We were supposed to meet and I was on time and she was not there. I had told here that she needed to be there and ready but she obviously got busy. Which I don't like to think about so I texted her that she missed out and nos vemos otra dia. I went walking around and banged another hot Venezuelan spinner.

There was a great selection of SGs in both areas-- Saturday afternoon is great for SGs.

I would say that SF is still good at certain times.

[QUOTE=PunterMonger;2677195] overpaid 1 mil copa (she wanted 1.5 for 5 hrs). Only did it because I got hammered at the club and wasn't making right decisions.[/QUOTE]I had to look twice to make sure I wasn't in the UAE forum.

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2677444]My formula in Bogota was to try an un rato with the girls for 30 K, and if we clicked, then the next time, I'd go for a longer time period. I met some lovely girls, who were very willing and enthusiastic in the room.[/QUOTE]Or use that as an audition. If I click with a casa girl I will get her number for hookups later. I almost never bring a girl back to my location that I didn't fuck first. One thing I like about the Colombia is that the casas do not seem to care if the the girls give out their info and side hustle.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2677522]What is up with this going to a place expecting to fuck chicks that look like chicks in another place? All that says is that people did not do basic homework.
Because you can get on a local hooker site like mileroticos for 2 seconds or even google people location and see images of how the local population looks. Who has expectations of going to Hawaii to see Africans?

Glad I don't have a problem going somewhere and not being able to pick from what is available to fuck, instead of being disappointed that they don't look like chicks somewhere else. This is too easy to avoid in the internet era.[/QUOTE]Exactly. There are people on youtube uploading videos walking around centro in MDE and Santa Fe. It doesn't get more clear what one is going to see than that.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2679045]What did she say about showing up to work late or the boss showing up with their paycheck late?[/QUOTE]I have traveled and worked extensively in Latin America and I can tell you that it absolutely is the culture that time doesn't have a lot of meaning.

In many Latin American countries, there are two shifts for school. Since schools are neighborhood-based through Secundaria (Jr. High) in most countries, mom or dad walks their kid to school, especially of they're younger. Then they get dressed for work, walk to the bus stop, wait for the bus, then get off of the bus and walk to their job. Most folks don't own a car and they depend upon public transportation. Public transportation is reliable but there aren't schedules. When the bus shows up, you get on it. Sometime you wait 5 minutes, sometimes 25 minutes. Why? Because traffic is horrendous in general. And since a bus has a fixed route, a traffic jam causes problems that somebody with a car might not face.

And since the "boss" was raised in the same culture he understands all if that. So showing up late for work is much more common than it is in North America or Europe. Gringos don't understand this at all and, in general, are upset when somebody doesn't show up exactly when they say they will.

When I was selling product to companies there, my US bosses got pissed off that I only had two sales calls per day. I explained why. You get up at 6 am, answer emails for a couple of hours, shower, dress and have breakfast. Your first appointment is at 9 am. You get there at 9 but the guy doesn't see you until almost 10. You spend an hour shooting the breeze because jumping right into a serious business discussion would be considered rude. He has scheduled your presentation to his people at 11. The presentation takes an hour and Q&A takes another hour. It is now 1 pm and you need to take the guy to lunch. That takes until 3 or 3:30. By the time you get him back to the office it is 4 and time to get to your second appointment at 5 pm. Same stuff. By the time you get that guy back to the office or home it is 11 pm. You get back to your hotel, stay up answering emails until 1. Lather, rinse, repeat for the next day.

I was in Bogota for 3 months and visited every type of establishment from SF to sites in the north and also hired some prepagos from websites. I spent over 4 M COP on prostitutes and fucked 19 times including 2 threesomes. I also repeated with some girls. Ended up with 6 whatsapp contacts.

My overall impression is that the prices have been going up and up after the pandemic and that it's getting harder to find good value for low prices. But it's still possible to find great girls in Colombia, I love their bodies and their attitude. I still need to go to Brazil to compare, though.

I'm considering to create a small website with a map that has all the places I visited including prices / times and the exact address. Would I be able to post an URL of it in this forum? Or would that be seen as spamming? I found very hard to find updated and realiable information on the several places that exist in Bogota, especially the cheaper ones.

The best looking girl of my journey was "Monserrat" from Sensity Spa (CL 77 13-22) I'd rate her with a 9/10 if only she didn't have a big "tramp stamp" tattoo on the lower back. Natural big tits, big ass and a great young face, she just looks gorgeous. Problem is she doesn't kiss and is not very involved with her customers. She is a professional and just wants you to cum quickly and be over. I don't blame her nor judge her, she is just in this business for the money and has a fixed goal in mind, told me she'd quit the very next day she hits her goal.

The winner of best service was "Alison" from Loutron. It's the best service I've ever gotten from paid sex. She begged me to perform a BBBJ, she said she loved my cock and tried really hard to deepthroat it until getting some tears. She squirted using my dick as a dildo to rub her clit. I could only met her twice, and in the end I told her I wish I would not lose her number because I was going back to Europe and my Colombian number would be gone, she sounded genuinely scared and told me that such a thing should never happen so she gave me her real name, last name and instagram account. Judging by her photos it seems she is currently in Mexico.

And the best bang for the buck prize goes to "Valery" a Venezuelan streetwalker from Santa Fe, located in the north west corner of Carrera 15 with Calle 24. For 40 k it was amazing, she took all the initiative, told me what position to fuck her, we would switch positions all the time, she told me to pull her hair, to spank her ass, etc. We also looked at each other eyes very lavishly and sexy while she was on top. She was young, early twenties. I'd have loved to kiss her passionately and I think she'd have kissed me back, but I don't trust in the tidiness / health of such cheap girls. They must make up in volume what they lose in charging so little. So I didn't want to risk. I got her number and tried to schedule with her a couple of times but could not in the end.

The threesomes were not noteworthy; maybe one were I paid extra to get BBBJ from both girls, so one mouth sucking balls and other mouth sucking my dick bare at the same time felt great, but the sex itself was not so good, especially because of the change of condoms from going to one pussy to the other.

So, let me know if you'd like to see some Bogota website with all the info, I'm thinking of doing maybe a map or something.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2679394]I was in Bogota for 3 months and visited every type of establishment from SF to sites in the north and also hired some prepagos from websites. I spent over 4 M COP on prostitutes and fucked 19 times including 2 threesomes. I also repeated with some girls. Ended up with 6 whatsapp contacts.

My overall impression is that the prices have been going up and up after the pandemic and that it's getting harder to find good value for low prices. But it's still possible to find great girls in Colombia, I love their bodies and their attitude. I still need to go to Brazil to compare, though.

I'm considering to create a small website with a map that has all the places I visited including prices / times and the exact address. Would I be able to post an URL of it in this forum? Or would that be seen as spamming? I found very hard to find updated and realiable information on the several places that exist in Bogota, especially the cheaper ones.

The best looking girl of my journey was "Monserrat" from Sensity Spa (CL 77 13-22) I'd rate her with a 9/10 if only she didn't have a big "tramp stamp" tattoo on the lower back. Natural big tits, big ass and a great young face, she just looks gorgeous. Problem is she doesn't kiss and is not very involved with her customers. She is a professional and just wants you to cum quickly and be over. I don't blame her nor judge her, she is just in this business for the money and has a fixed goal in mind, told me she'd quit the very next day she hits her goal..[/QUOTE]Nice report. Despite some declaring the death of Colombia clearly YMMV. I have had horrible expensive girls and some great experiences with Santa Fe types. Even tho they are doing a job some people will just vibe better together than others.

As for your idea with the website / map, go for it. Plenty of people here have dropped links to other websites offering relevant info and a few have posted links to google maps with casa info on it.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2679394]My overall impression is that the prices have been going up and up after the pandemic and that it's getting harder to find good value for low prices.[/QUOTE]I fucked a chick in Barranquilla back in October for 100,000. Earlier this month I wanted to fuck the same chick but she told me 150,000. 200,000 plus taxi if she came to me. I was only like 3 or 4 blocks from her house where I fucked her last time.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2679394]And the best bang for the buck prize goes to "Valery" a Venezuelan streetwalker from Santa Fe, located in the north west corner of Carrera 15 with Calle 24. For 40 k I'd have loved to kiss her passionately and I think she'd have kissed me back, but I don't trust in the tidiness / health of such cheap girls. They must make up in volume what they lose in charging so little. So I didn't want to risk.[/QUOTE]You have to remember that for a national minimum wage of 800,000, she would only need 20 guys per month at 40K. The volume is not as high as one would think.

Hey guys,

I've got a trip booked to Bogota from April 3rd to all of May. I've been to Medellin before but that was to go see one girl and be with her so I didn't see anyone else in that time. This time, I'm going to go meet several girls I've been talking to with the expectations of sex (Threesomes and more), some with the expectations of being my guide and showing me around (which I hope ends with sex. Building rapport now), and I'm also interested in getting prepagos / escorts. I'll be doing sight seeing and meeting people too since I won't spend two months of just straight fucking, LOL.

Anyways, I'm in my 20's, Hispanic and look it, speak Spanish pretty well which allows me to talk to these girls very easily, college graduate, and am decently attractive. Slightly overweight but you wouldn't know it from just seeing me. I'm in the process of losing weight for this trip. I'm down to meetup with any of you, talk, shoot the shit, and am overall, hangout, pick up girls, and have a good time. We can go out and hang out and do mongering together or whatever. Just looking to make these two months extremely memorable with some Colombian and Venezuelan beauties. I don't give a fuck about your age or anything, just be cool and normal and we'll get along just fine.

Hi all,

I am living for over 8 years here in Bogota and haven't been for ages back in SF. Anyone knows how the situation is in clubs like Fiebre and Paisas (I think the clubs called like this)? I have been with a friend in some reservados in the north but the prices are going through the roof and the chicas were less than regular.

I am known from my earliest exploits here (over a decade ago now, haha) to be falling in love. I love emotions. And we're chatting about Bogota girls, and some were complaining. I too find that Brazilians are generally more open and there is more interesting activity to be had in São Paulo compared to Bogotá. But the factor to consider is the Venezolanas. Most Venezolanas are here to try to get out of financial difficulties, but it's generally not working out well. What this means is that you get rather timid girls who are not in it for the love of the job. Compare that with my little porn starlet in Brazil, and it's a totally different feeling. You got to woo the girls a bit, and make them be at ease, and some of them you will not be lucky. It is all about if they like you a bit at least, some chemistry. I find that's the big success factor.

I have reported before that on mileroticos I had now 3 jackpot landings with really cute new-in-the-business girls. The first one, we had some chemistry and I would have gone right back to her, but then she didn't reply to my personal conversation in a personal way. So I went on elsewhere. But she was nice, and I should have gone back. Venezolana.

The next one wanted me to be her sugar daddy, and she was very cute, but she scared me because of her story of gang involvement, dad in prison for murder, and she too had killed one. So I bowed out of that one. But she was so cute, maybe too flat. But did I mention so cute? She needed a return visit to fully thaw the ice, but I had other things to do before getting myself back into the risk of being with a cute but crazy girl who sometimes kills. That one was not from Venezuela.

Now the third, that's turning out a romantic affair for me. Also very cute girl, just 18 or nominally 19 or so. She had a very strong suggestion on her profile, which spoke deep to the kinky side of my soul. So I put that right out on the table on my first WhatsApp message. And I just didn't go for several weeks, until she was back in Venezuela. But we got to chat a bit as she was there, personal, and then she started trying to woo me. Talked really sweet with me. (I do put my photo in my WhatsApp and upon first successful contact add the girls to my address book so the photo becomes visible. I want to give them the chance to reject me based on it, or, as in this case, start being more friendly. Now we have a little long distance affair.

The thing is with these Venezolanas, they have a tough life, and they don't even make that much in this business. And so, if you get to them, and win their trust, you get other places. It's something for the emotion junkies like me. If you want to have cool PSE sex, it may not be the thing.

Oh I forgot one girl from last year, Venezolana from CL 61 #13-44. She was nominally 18 at the time, and super cute, I liked her from my heart so much, that I didn't even finish with her. I started taking her under my wings. I played Captain Save-a-Hoe, literally. And it was not easy, but it worked. Within a month I had her come clean with her family at home, no more hiding, and shipped her home. Then it was a tough time supporting her given that so much bullshit was happening. But she got her act together and started grooming her little family farm, took courses in hair dressing, and set up a little shop, and I even got a 4 x4 truck for her (it was so incredibly cheap there in Venezuela, I just couldn't let that opportunity pass) and now she runs little freight jobs too. That girl was in this business starting with 15, and it's pretty exploitative. Now she's free of this because she got a little hand and mentorship from me. I am very pleased how that turned out. Sadly, I never got back from the role of her substitute dad to actually become her lover. But then, there are so many other options.

I had 3 more Venezolanas at CL 61 #13-44, on the lookout for a re-run of this experience, perhaps this time with also getting some passion in return. First one was rather mechanical but I just finished looking at her thinking how good I have it that I can rub myself off with a sweet doll like that, even if she doesn't want to connect with me. One we had some real chemistry but she wasn't that much my type. Another one we started with chemistry, she wanted to like it, and we kind-of lost steam mid-way. Then I went back at just being in this state looking at that face thinking how cool it is to do a girl with that homely face we have hereabouts, and thinking what if that was my wife and now 20 years older. I dunno, I have these thoughts. None of the three lit a spark.

Until the one came who started wooing me. And now I am in love again, after quite some time. And it's really good. But soon I must return to Brazil taking care of my babies there, and have a last session with my little porn starlet friend before she leaves for London.

I just wanted to put this out there, that el mundo prepago is essentially an introduction platform, a type of speed-dating, where you actually deal with real human beings, not so much performers. Personally, I like the good performers like my porn starlet in São Paulo who's also a friend and we have had great memorable sessions, and I like the fresh real ones, who aren't in this business for the fun of it, and many don't like it at all.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2680219]Oh I forgot one girl from last year, Venezolana from CL 61 #13-44. She was nominally 18 at the time, and super cute, I liked her from my heart so much, that I didn't even finish with her. I started taking her under my wings. I played Captain Save-a-Hoe, literally. And it was not easy, but it worked. Within a month I had her come clean with her family at home, no more hiding, and shipped her home. Then it was a tough time supporting her given that so much bullshit was happening. But she got her act together and started grooming her little family farm, took courses in hair dressing, and set up a little shop, and I even got a 4 x4 truck for her (it was so incredibly cheap there in Venezuela, I just couldn't let that opportunity pass) and now she runs little freight jobs too. That girl was in this business starting with 15, and it's pretty exploitative. Now she's free of this because she got a little hand and mentorship from me. I am very pleased how that turned out. Sadly, I never got back from the role of her substitute dad to actually become her lover. But then, there are so many other options.[/QUOTE]SS, you have got to do better with whom you invest your heart and money into. Look I get the emotional payoff of helping someone but if you do not get something in return like with this one, then you need to re-evaluate what you are doing. How come you are pleased? What did you get out of this?

I do not agree with everything Rich Cooper and Roland Tomassi on everything. They are manosphere leaders and podcasters, however they have focused on something that Hollywood movies want you to believe is true but is not. You cannot manufacture desire; it is either there or it is not, and you were trying to do that with this girl.

I am living proof that desire can exist with a 10 type and the guy can be older and not Brad Pitt, but it took a long time to get there. Go back and look at the first encounter you had with her. Did she want to stay or leave the room? How quickly does she get back with you? Is she sending you texts telling you how she is doing and asking how you are doing on a daily basis? Does she ever turn you down for sex? Do you feel loved and cherished in the relationship, or is the only time she texts / calls you is for money?

What I can say about Vennie women is that they are smart, tough, great in the sack, but most of all, they are fucking nuts. I do not know how I could be sane in that climate. Everything the government says is a lie. Anyone who invested for the long term was stupid, and the only people who made it were the short term robbers or drug lords. Everyone in Venezuela agrees with the statement, "Venezuela is a rich country but it is not rich because" And the because is they were stolen from. So you have a country that thinks it is okay to steal because everyone has stolen from them. Hugo Chavez was not a kook in that he took Venezuela to a point where they are now; he personified who Venezuelans are. He demonized the rich, glorified the poor, and snuck at least $8 billion out of the country in his daughter's name and said daughter lives in Miami. You are trying for a win-win relationship in a country with a people who have never had win-win.

Then from a mental health standpoint, there are people drinking from filthy rivers and eating garbage. I do not even want to guess how many toxins are in the food, and that fucks with people's minds. You have a petro nation with no obvious safety controls on production. I am not talking about having good bodies, but the only healthy appearing Vennie I ever met was out of the country for a long time.

And SS I just do not think the 18 or 19 YO working girl is going to appreciate you like a woman who has had a job and knows how hard it is to put food on the table.

I admire what you are trying to do. I just think you should focus more on helping yourself too.

[QUOTE=ZedLeppelin10;2679584]Hey guys,

I've got a trip booked to Bogota from April 3rd to all of May. I've been to Medellin before but that was to go see one girl and be with her so I didn't see anyone else in that time. This time, I'm going to go meet several girls I've been talking to with the expectations of sex (Threesomes and more), some with the expectations of being my guide and showing me around (which I hope ends with sex. Building rapport now), and I'm also interested in getting prepagos / escorts. I'll be doing sight seeing and meeting people too since I won't spend two months of just straight fucking, LOL.

Anyways, I'm in my 20's, Hispanic and look it, speak Spanish pretty well which allows me to talk to these girls very easily, college graduate, and am decently attractive. Slightly overweight but you wouldn't know it from just seeing me. I'm in the process of losing weight for this trip. I'm down to meetup with any of you, talk, shoot the shit, and am overall, hangout, pick up girls, and have a good time. We can go out and hang out and do mongering together or whatever. Just looking to make these two months extremely memorable with some Colombian and Venezuelan beauties. I don't give a fuck about your age or anything, just be cool and normal and we'll get along just fine.[/QUOTE]Hi ZedLeppelin10,

Great, just let me know and we go out and see what we can find, I have been living here for many years, but have let go a bit mongering.

It's been a while (pre-pandemic), but I just finished up another Colombian trip. It was nice to walk the streets of Santa Fe again. I love it there, but a man has to know what to expect. There are guys who keep their eyes glued to their phone messing around with dating apps, or guys on SA playing the role of sugar daddy, deluded into thinking they actually have a girlfriend. Take the money away and see how long they stay. But, in SF all you need to do is walk out of your hotel and go shopping. Pick the beauty of your choice, negotiate up front on what you want, and do the deed. It's that simple. I spent a lot of time banging the young Vennies on Calle 23. Prices will cost you from 30 K up to 100 K if you want more than the standard. Don't come here looking for GFE, you're just renting their bodies, and that's exactly what I like. If I want a GFE, I get an actual GF back home based on my looks. Then again, I'm not an old, flabby guy with a gut bigger around than his waist. No offense to those who fit that category, they actually do need to pay for it. But, if you're in good shape, or even just a regular guy, keep your gfs for back home, and only use SF for renting bodies. If you keep that in mind, than you'll know what to expect, and you'll have a great time. As for safety, I never had a problem, nobody followed me, or stared in my direction. For the most part they don't care. Just stick to your business, don't wear jewelry (who you trying to impress anyway), and be casual. Don't listen to the doom and gloom reports. If you stick to the main area, you'll be fine. There are plenty of girls around. I even found a couple good ones on Sunday during the day. You're on vacation, talk to the guys hanging outside the bars, chat up the girls, enjoy yourself and relax. Nobody is out to get you. It's a RL district that's policed. You get to nail good looking chicks for low prices. It doesn't get anymore straightforward than that. Go have fun guys.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2680529]It's been a while (pre-pandemic), but I just finished up another Colombian trip. It was nice to walk the streets of Santa Fe again. I love it there, but a man has to know what to expect. There are guys who keep their eyes glued to their phone messing around with dating apps, or guys on SA playing the role of sugar daddy, deluded into thinking they actually have a girlfriend. Take the money away and see how long they stay. But, in SF all you need to do is walk out of your hotel and go shopping. Pick the beauty of your choice, negotiate up front on what you want, and do the deed. It's that simple. I spent a lot of time banging the young Vennies on Calle 23. Prices will cost you from 30 K up to 100 K if you want more than the standard. Don't come here looking for GFE, you're just renting their bodies, and that's exactly what I like. If I want a GFE, I get an actual GF back home based on my looks. Then again, I'm not an old, flabby guy with a gut bigger around than his waist. No offense to those who fit that category, they actually do need to pay for it. But, if you're in good shape, or even just a regular guy, keep your gfs for back home, and only use SF for renting bodies. If you keep that in mind, than you'll know what to expect, and you'll have a great time. As for safety, I never had a problem, nobody followed me, or stared in my direction. For the most part they don't care. Just stick to your business, don't wear jewelry (who you trying to impress anyway), and be casual. Don't listen to the doom and gloom reports. If you stick to the main area, you'll be fine. There are plenty of girls around. I even found a couple good ones on Sunday during the day. You're on vacation, talk to the guys hanging outside the bars, chat up the girls, enjoy yourself and relax. Nobody is out to get you. It's a RL district that's policed. You get to nail good looking chicks for low prices. It doesn't get anymore straightforward than that. Go have fun guys.[/QUOTE]I disagree-- I have gotten to know so many SGs over the last 10 yrs and have had many GFE Quickees-- Even with girls I just met-- It's all in the chemistry and being able to pre-qualify the girl when you chat her up and feel her out If you have a blah session that is mostly your fault. And I admit I have had less than thrilling sessions-- But mostly not. It's funny some girls I have had really great sex and then I might ignore them for a while and they get pissed and give a crappy session and it's over-- Never bang her again.

- Of course I like the club girls better and I have steady who I usually will see early when she gets there and I can stretch her out a bit-- It's 20 minutes in heaven, Just deepthroating, hairpulling Bending her all over like a sex doll. I actually have a few like that in different clubs.

I Just Love Santa Fe So Much-- I am tempted to go up to Chapinero and check out all the places I have been reading about.

[QUOTE=IronQuinn;2680529]There are guys who keep their eyes glued to their phone messing around with dating apps, or guys on SA playing the role of sugar daddy, deluded into thinking they actually have a girlfriend. Take the money away and see how long they stay.

If I want a GFE, I get an actual GF back home based on my looks. Then again, I'm not an old, flabby guy with a gut bigger around than his waist. No offense to those who fit that category, they actually do need to pay for it. But, if you're in good shape, or even just a regular guy, keep your gfs for back home, and only use SF for renting bodies.[/QUOTE]Get off your high horse, we're all paying for the same thing and you're acting like you're somehow better than someone else. You're on an anonymous forum where people are trying to share advice on other avenues to meet women.

I have FWBs back home, but still used SA and got to spend half-days with hot women for less than your higher-end hourly rate in the comfort of my own hotel. The first SA girl I met asked for 200 K after spending like 5 hours together. Who gives a shit how we met them? No one here is under the impression that they're our GFs.

In fact, I'm headed back to Bogota today to hook up with 3 different women (plus a friend for some more threesomes) from SA.

Of course it's safe in front of Atunes, Picina etc, the owners have a vested interest in keeping the front of their place safe, it would be bad for business. But in Bogota it continues to be dangerous, just ask the citizens, or Lopez the mayor of the city if the dangers are out of control. Over the last 15 years I have seen the city get more and more dangerous everyday. Just a few days ago a man was shot FIRST and robbed late in a bakery at Andino Mall, one of the most exclusive malls in the city, at 1:30 in the afternoon with hundreds of people all over the place, so much for safety in numbers. Also a 12 year old boy was killed this week by a FARC bomb in the south, I believe it was in Bolivar Verde and injuring 35 some odd people. Stay vigilant and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2680646]I disagree-- I have gotten to know so many SGs over the last 10 yrs and have had many GFE Quickees-- Even with girls I just met-- It's all in the chemistry and being able to pre-qualify the girl when you chat her up and feel her out If you have a blah session that is mostly your fault. And I admit I have had less than thrilling sessions-- But mostly not. It's funny some girls I have had really great sex and then I might ignore them for a while and they get pissed and give a crappy session and it's over-- Never bang her again.

- Of course I like the club girls better and I have steady who I usually will see early when she gets there and I can stretch her out a bit-- It's 20 minutes in heaven, Just deepthroating, hairpulling Bending her all over like a sex doll. I actually have a few like that in different clubs.

I Just Love Santa Fe So Much-- I am tempted to go up to Chapinero and check out all the places I have been reading about.[/QUOTE]I've had some fantastic gfs back home, so my version of a GFE is held to that standard. I would say better than half my sessions were good, I just wouldn't call them GFE, suppose it's to the individual. Even though I was mostly with street Vennies, I had a fantastic session with Michele at Texas. That girl has a great ass and can move, finished me off in reverse CG like a champ. I agree with you there can be less than thrilling sessions. Luckily, I only had one this time around. The girl wouldn't do doggy-style even though all positions were agreed beforehand. Had to give her the boot. All in all, I love SF. It's a great playground.

[QUOTE=VoodooJones;2680716]Get off your high horse, we're all paying for the same thing and you're acting like you're somehow better than someone else. You're on an anonymous forum where people are trying to share advice on other avenues to meet women.

I have FWBs back home, but still used SA and got to spend half-days with hot women for less than your higher-end hourly rate in the comfort of my own hotel. The first SA girl I met asked for 200 K after spending like 5 hours together. Who gives a shit how we met them? No one here is under the impression that they're our GFs.

In fact, I'm headed back to Bogota today to hook up with 3 different women (plus a friend for some more threesomes) from SA.[/QUOTE]Stay cool VJ, it's all good. I was pointing out how easy and convenient SF is. If you like SA, go do your thing.

[QUOTE=Shizzle78;2680514]Hi ZedLeppelin10,

Great, just let me know and we go out and see what we can find, I have been living here for many years, but have let go a bit mongering.[/QUOTE]Hey Shizzle78 and ZedLeppelin10,

I'm in Bogotá for April and May too. I've been to Medellin and Cartagena, I'm just starting to explore Bogotá. I'm still working on Spanish but I speak a bit. I'm up for going out; I can't use the PM system yet.

This is a duplicate post from another forum and I thought that since this event also happened in Bogota, I would like to share my experience in this forum as well. Here it is.

Decided to spend a bit of time away working remotely while checking out life in Bogota. My other objective was to experience personally what some of these regular girls can offer primarily through SA. This is my second trip to Bogota.

There is definitely a lot of work that needs to be done on SA, and for me, it is a learning process. Many have reported that it is just too much work on SA without the sight of quick return. I would agree especially if the preferred method is to bang as many girls with least minimal effort.

It will be very difficult to meet and get the girl that one want and willing to have sex with on a short notice on SA. However, if one is of the type who prefer companionship with sexual intimacy, SA could be a potential avenue to explore.

A month prior to my trip, I had started to collect the girls contact info. So much so, I have more girls willing to meet than I have time for them. Naturally, I will prioritize girls who are showing more interest in me than simply ignoring me beyond a simple greeting. Probably in hindsight, it is not the best approach, but without much prior experience, I work with with what I have.

These were the girls that I met in person.

[B]SA Girl #1[/B]

Got a message from this SA girl on my first evening in Bogota. I was surprised that she kept tab of when I would be in Bogota based on my last conversation almost a month back and with whom I had never chatted since.

I gave this girl a wider berth since she seemed to be fluent in English, and as I did not feel like eating dinner alone. She happened to be in the area on a medical visit when she chatted with me and I invited her over for a dinner. We had a pretty good dinner date and did not do anything beyond that since I was tired and would have a important meeting that I need to prepare for the next day. So we parted after dinner but kept the option of seeing each again open over the weekend.

[B]SA Girl #2 [/B]

She is probably one of the most enthusiastic lot given how she would check in on me regularly even prior to reaching Bogota. She is in her early 20's and looked cute in the picture that she sent me and I imagined that she has a nice pair of boobs underneath.

I had a few hours to spare during daytime after lunch and scheduled a time for her to come. I met her in a coffeeshop near my apartment before heading back together.

I made a noobie mistake of not clarifying on the service that I wanted before our meeting. So when she asked for protection while we were making out, I did not want to insist on BB on her. Anyway, her tits were simply boobalicious. Also, this was the first time I was with any girl who can really squirt. I was taken back when her pussy juice were spraying all over my bed and I had to scramble for a towel to contain this mess.

I asked if she has sex with many other people afterwards but said she only have sex with her boyfriend. I had seen her boyfriend in her WhatsApp post in the past. She wanted to see me again, I told her only if she is willing to go BB the next time which she agreed. She was a college student and was on SA for only a month and I was her first encounter.

Alas, I did not have the time for the second meet, since I had so many other girls that I want to try out with my somewhat limited time.

[B]SA Girl #3 [/B]

I had this Girl #3 the next day who is in her mid-20's. She was almost as enthusiastic as Girl #2. This time I learned from the earlier mistake, and told her that I wanted BB before agreeing for her to come by in the evening, and she agreed.

I asked her to send me her photo to be taken at that moment and unfiltered, which she did shortly. She did not look that great in that photo but was not too bad either. So I told her to come over to my apartment after her restaurant shift in the evening.

When she arrived, she looked much cuter in person than in her photo. I was attracted by her smile and that almost innocent girl next door look. Before the deed, we showered together because I wanted to go down on her and also expecting reciprocity. She was one of the only SA girl where I received a BJ and a decent one too. The sex was only okay.

I asked her how long she had done this and she mentioned that I was her first SD with an expected meet up with another SD the following month.

Anyway, after sex, I was hungry and we walked to Zona T where there were plenty of good restaurants. During dinner, I asked if she has friends and she hinted if I was interested in a threesome and I mentioned I would like it only if she is comfortable with it.

Then she showed me a photo of this girl (SA Girl #5) whom I recognize from one of the SA girls that I had communicated earlier. At that moment, I was thinking maybe I can have her spend the weekend with me while giving me the option of exploring other girls while she was with me. I offered her the arrangement for her to stay with me over the weekend and she agreed. On hindsight, it was probably a mistake as I was hoping to replicate the fun times that I used to have with this Colombian bisexual girl in my previous trip.

At that moment, I forgot that I have already a meet with SA Girl #4 that evening for a dinner and sex. I did not want to cancel of that girl since she looked so pretty in that picture that she sent me and a really nice pair of rack. Plus she had also agreed to BB. So, I reshuffled our meet to noon the next day.

Girl #3 showed up on my apartment the next evening after work, and we had a quickie before heading over to the Irish pub in Zona T to meet up with a new ISG member and a friend who happened to be in Bogota at that time. After a few drinks there, my friends and us headed over to the Lio bar and had a wild night partying in that club. I was completely wasted that night and the girl and I both woke up with a huge hangover the following day.

Anyway, without dragging out the boring details, the longer this girl stayed with me the less that I like her. That initial infatuation that I felt for her wore off. Many small details added up to big ones that would prevent me from ever wanting her to stay any longer than a meet in the future.

[B]SA Girl #4 [/B]

She is only 19 but, oh boy, she was the best screw among all the SA girls. I say SA girls, since I actually had better sessions with the escort agency girls, which I will write up below.

Anyway, I rescheduled our meet to noon that Saturday since I have asked Girl #3 to come that evening to accompany me that night through the weekend.

This girl wanted me to send her an Uber which I did. For a 10-mile ride, the total trip took an hour on a weekend. This gives you an idea of how bad Bogota's traffic is.

I met her in front of the building and we headed for lunch together to a restaurant nearby since I was hungry. She was shy and almost quiet during this whole encounter. When she took off her mask, I was actually disappointed that she was not as attractive as her photo. Still attractive but not as good.

After lunch, we headed back to my apartment and we were in the apartment, this girl transformed into a wild one in bed. She would kiss me passionately and as soon as our clothes were off, she would dry hump me as I fondled and sucked on her big natural tits and my dick got super hard real fast. Just as soon, she took off of her underwear, climbed on top of me and slid my dick into her pussy. She would gyrate her hips and those internal friction made me came before long. As I came into her pussy and she would continue to gyrate non-stop until I have to eventually stop her as I can't take it any longer.

We chatted for a while and 10 minutes in, and my dick would get hard again. She would grab it and started to ride me. Coming twice in a single day is somewhat of a rarity for me these days. Making me come twice in a span of an hour requires a real skillset from that girl. I came into her again but at that point, it was probably just blanks. Let's hope that she does not claim to be pregnant in a few months.

[B]SA Girl #5[/B]

This girl was on SA the longest and told me she had two SD before me with the platform. Turned out that she was a Venezuelan. I conducted the same protocol with this girl, unfiltered photo and if she is okay with BB. One thing that struck me was she said that even though she took great care of herself, she was willing to do it with me. We agreed to meet and have her come to my apartment that evening. Anyway, this girl turned out to be a real disaster in bed, which I would explain later.

At this time, I had not yet has a chance to use the service of my go-to escort agency eroticasbogota, and I wanted to sample their girls again while in Bogota.

So I texted them and picked Diana who was able to do CIM as an extra service. She showed up at my apartment in the afternoon, and she was this cute spinner with a beautiful balanced sets of body and tits. Very passionate and GFE and I told her that I wanted to CIM before I screw her and she obliged.

I did not get a chance to do a CIM so far, and that was the best come that I had so far in this trip. For a minute or so as she sucked them all up, I thought that she might swallow it until she gestured for a permission to go to the bathroom to spit them out. We continued with more banging afterwards. Overall, it was a good session and the girls from eroticasbogota rarely disappoint.

I got a few hours to recuperate before my next meet with SA Girl #5.

I told this girl to be at my apartment at 6 pm and given that she lives at Chapinero, I thought it would not take too much time. 30 minutes in, she said she was still on her way and she showed me a screen shot of where she was and how much more time it would take to reach my apartment.

To my surprise, her screen shot was showing it to be still 50 minutes away and what is worse, it was showing how long it would be to walk to my place. WTF. I told her to grab an Uber and I will pay for it which she immediately did.

When she got to my apartment, we spent a good time chatting and she was a pretty upbeat girl. I was not ready to dive straight into sex since I had already done so a few hours earlier with Diana.

My friend texted me then and asked me if I would like to grab dinner or a drink since I will be flying back the next day. I said yes and told him that I will be bringing along this girl. By the time we wrapped up our dinner, it was 9 pm. The girl mentioned to me earlier that she need a hard stop at 11 PM. I offered her extra if she can stay later or until the next morning, and she was adamant that she can't and had to leave no latter than 11 PM as previously agreed with me.

Since I wanted to know how it was like to bang this girl, I had to cut the meeting with my friend short and hurried back to my apartment on taxi. I really didn't like the rush. Anyway, when we got to my apartment, we stripped and she asked me what I would like. I said let's start with a BBJ and then a BB. She resisted with the BB initially until I showed her our previous text on WhatsApp. Alas, it was for nothing, since after I poked my dick into her pussy, I smelled something was not right, and I meant that literally. Her pussy had this unbearable stench, and I just dipped my dick into that stench.

I stopped all activities and went to the bathroom to wash it off with a wet towel. Still that stench remained, and I had to take a shower and probably used my body wash three times to get rid of that smell. I have to say that a stinky pussy is like a kryptonite.

Given it was my last night, I did not want to end my trip with this stench. I texted eroticasbogota to see if they can still send a girl over to me at this hours, and they said yes and one can arrive in 30 minutes. After that, I stepped out of the bathroom and while the girl was still wondering what was going on, I paid her and gave her taxi money and told her that I need her to leave in 5 minutes. She did but was still wondering what was going on. Anyway, that will be the last time I will be seeing her.

About 30 minutes later, Hanna from the agency came. The front desk called me if it is ok to let her up and I said yes. Hanna was just as adorable as Diana and her service was just as good.

I was glad that I was able to leave Bogota with a still favorable experience and had these agency girls come to the "rescue" when needed.

Anyway, this is my first experience with SA girls and I thought of sharing this with everyone.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2681106]Anyway, this is my first experience with SA girls and I thought of sharing this with everyone.[/QUOTE]Great stories, but what were the costs of the girls?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2680473]SS, you have got to do better with whom you invest your heart and money into. Look I get the emotional payoff of helping someone but if you do not get something in return like with this one, then you need to re-evaluate what you are doing. How come you are pleased? What did you get out of this?...
And SS I just do not think the 18 or 19 YO working girl is going to appreciate you like a woman who has had a job and knows how hard it is to put food on the table.

I admire what you are trying to do. I just think you should focus more on helping yourself too.[/QUOTE]Appreciate your giving me some advice here. I know this advice, I have probably been more in red-pill theory than most here. And I agree with you for the most part.

By the way, that meeting with the 18 yo now that started in some sort of long-distance relationship through texts, it went nowhere. I didn't like her that much actually, but I did my part. I was already worried that she'd latch on to me too much. So I was both pissed and relieved when it turns out that she didn't really deliver on the passion she fanned up through text. It's ok, you never know the chemistry. All the while my little one in Brazil keeps asking me when I'll be back. With her there was more chemistry the first time. It's best to meet first and dream later than dream first and meet later. But OK, I knew this risk and didn't lose too much.

About that first Venezuelan girl that I said I was happy and even proud how she turned out back home, it might be an age thing. I am slightly over 50 now, and I really can take delight when a cute girl who seemed in so many ways like a child, actually starts living a life of dignity, and I feel the zest in her messages. How she likes being economically active, improve her little finca, all that. By the way, she regularly contacts me asking how I woke up and if I had eaten already. But she has "graduated" now to the point where she doesn't need to ask for money again. I was so pleased with how solid she turned out, that I suggested her to see if she could acquire some neighboring finca in my name and use it for some more planting or grazing. Land is so cheap in Venezuela, and it would be nice to remotely plant a flag there, just in case. (I live in South America now, roaming about.).

So yes, I totally agree with you, I must first care for myself and not dilute myself in care-taking behaviors for others were I don't get my needs met. I certainly am not going around now looking to save a ho and be displeased. In fact, this is precisely why I told the other girl this morning that, sorry, but if I don't feel appreciated, I prefer to not waste my time any further, and called the weekend off. Recovering a bit today, and tomorrow I will go on a repeat with one who was good with me before, or go down my list of others I wanted to try until I leave in a week or two.

Just came back from my first repeat (in Colombia, I have been twice with my porn starlet in Brazil for professional sessions). Got a really sweet one who has really long black hair which I adore and is so hard to find. She says she is 22 or 23, her pictures are from some years ago where she still had a very girly face. So every time I see her I see that time and the hardships of life have taken a certain toll. But we have a nice chemistry so this more than makes up for it. And when I take my glasses off and we are in the action, I don't see those hardships and time any more, but see a really adorable face and that beautiful hair. And since we have a nice connection, I get to have nice kissing too. Just what I need to walk away smiling. And she isn't even expensive, just 90 the hour + 30 for the BBBJ option -- proof, once again, that you don't get what you pay for, you get what you conjure up when there is raw material to conjure with. And I find more and more that in the end the BBBJ isn't even all that. In the end, my favorite position is mish with connection, or her on top. Will probably have her over night next Sunday.

I really needed this connection to get over the "breakup" with the Venezolana who had me all fired up lovey-lovey over text and then completely failed to do her part to actually make it work. But the more I think about it the more relieved I am, because I liked her for her cuteness not for her beauty, and so I am glad now that she didn't try to catch me as we had coo cooed that she would give her best trying.

I know I should be a good fellow here and share her contact (I mean the good one, not the one that didn't work out), but I feel so possessive of "my" girls, so, maybe I tell you in 2 weeks when I'm going back to Brazil for a longer time.

I've been to Medellin a few times and last time there I met an SA girl who is now going to school in Bogota. I have spent the winter in the DR and thought I would do another spin through Colombia on the way home. It's really cheap to get here from the DR BTW. It was somewhat easier to go to Bogota so I thought I would see my SA girl again. When I got here she have me the run around so I could not see her that day. Well shit I am old and there is a cycle to things any way I was loaded for bear and thought I would try a very well reviewed Photoprepagos girl. I get to her place and got ghosted. She did apologize later and promised to make it up to me. I wish I had done more prep because I was right by the Mezanine and dd not realize it till I got back to my hotel- The SA girl messages me in the morning and tells me she is coming at 1130 and that she was sorry about yesterday. Well she did it was awesome but a little short lived. She would have stayed but I know she need to go and TBH I wanted a nap. I did want to see Santa Fe so I went down to have a look. A lot of guys say that Centro in Medellin is not for the feint of heart but I like it there- Well Santa Fe is a whole other bunch of sketchy- I left it late in the day and there was no way I was staying past dark -my 10 foot tall and bullet proof days are behind me plus I am old and right now I am limping a little. Christ I felt like the old zebra when he hears the lions. I ended up making a hasty decision because I wanted out of there. It was a shitty CBJ which I did not finish. It was not what was promised so I just called it quits and got tf out of there- there were a lot of worthwhile girls there I wish I had had a better look around. I would go again- earlier in the afternoon and probably when I was in a better frame of mind- SA girl offered up a friend who is hot AF for today but I got to take today off. I really hope I get another chance to meet her- I want to nail SA girl again tomorrow and I have another girl lined up for tomorrow night in Medellin- SO. All and all I have not had much of a trip to Bogota. There seems to be limited other shit to do also but again that is just a brief uninitiated look. Plus it's cold man. I haven't been this cold since I left Canada 4 months ago. I am staying near Parque 93 and there is an excellent Argy steak house -Restaurant La Estancia Chica- So anyway I feel as though I did this all wrong. Not much of a monger review here I'm afraid but at least there's a good restaurant recommendation.

Has anyone noticed what rate the airport money exchanges are giving? I normally wouldn't ask, because airport exchanges always give a lousy rate. However, last summer the rate at the Bogota airport was very close to the ATM rate. I'll be passing through Bogota in a few weeks and need to pick up quite a bit of cash (I'm headed to a place without banks and ATMs). If the rate is still decent it would simplify things.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2681975]Has anyone noticed what rate the airport money exchanges are giving? I normally wouldn't ask, because airport exchanges always give a lousy rate. However, last summer the rate at the Bogota airport was very close to the ATM rate. I'll be passing through Bogota in a few weeks and need to pick up quite a bit of cash (I'm headed to a place without banks and ATMs). If the rate is still decent it would simplify things.[/QUOTE]I was very surprised 6 weeks ago when I arrived in Bogota to get an excellent exchange rate at the cambio, right next to the baggage carousels. The same was true when my girl needed to change dollars back to pesos when she returned to Bogota in November, so I think they have made a permanent change and are now giving rates very near or possible better than ATM because no service fee like the ATMs It's rare to see Latin countries do things that make sense business wise. Airport rates were always the worst and everyone would just walk right past the cambios.

[QUOTE=Norbert61;2681773] Christ I felt like the old zebra when he hears the lions. I ended up making a hasty decision because I wanted out of there. It was a shitty CBJ which I did not finish.[/QUOTE]People who are rightly worried about looking like fish out of water in SF but still want to enjoy SF should just take a taxi and directly go to a club like Troya. Enjoy time inside the club and take the taxi just outside the club back to their hotel. Walking on the streets will not be needed if you don't have to enjoy streetie sweeties.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2682078]I was very surprised 6 weeks ago when I arrived in Bogota to get an excellent exchange rate at the cambio, right next to the baggage carousels. The same was true when my girl needed to change dollars back to pesos when she returned to Bogota in November, so I think they have made a permanent change and are now giving rates very near or possible better than ATM because no service fee like the ATMs It's rare to see Latin countries do things that make sense business wise. Airport rates were always the worst and everyone would just walk right past the cambios.[/QUOTE]Thank you. I nearly gave myself whiplash last year when I saw the rate. I'm glad it's still good. When I have more time getting to multiple ATMs isn't a problem, but this trip I'll have 4 flights on 3 different airlines in about 20 hours. Fortunately, once I get off the last plane I've got 3 days of relaxation (with an eager 19 year old non-pro) before I have to move again.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2682080]People who are rightly worried about looking like fish out of water in SF but still want to enjoy SF should just take a taxi and directly go to a club like Troya. Enjoy time inside the club and take the taxi just outside the club back to their hotel. Walking on the streets will not be needed if you don't have to enjoy streetie sweeties.[/QUOTE]Yes, and also there are 7 clubs right Next to each other and others nearby-- so very easy to club-hop. -- I love Santa Fe my sex playground.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2681975]Has anyone noticed what rate the airport money exchanges are giving? I normally wouldn't ask, because airport exchanges always give a lousy rate. However, last summer the rate at the Bogota airport was very close to the ATM rate. I'll be passing through Bogota in a few weeks and need to pick up quite a bit of cash (I'm headed to a place without banks and ATMs). If the rate is still decent it would simplify things.[/QUOTE]It was 3200 at the Cartagena airport last week.