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[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]If you indeed want dumb and helpless, this is the place to look. The country has an over-abundance of women who fit that description.[/QUOTE]
Just be careful of the poor, dumb and helpless little things. They'll own you before the week is out.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]My GF has asked me if I ever did in the past. I've flat-out said 'no' because I know she'd dump me in a heartbeat, if I ever admitted it.[/QUOTE]
Oh, yes, OTH. I have been asked by the GF, by her sister, by her mother and even with a nudge, nudge, wink, wink attitude by her brother. I maintain my innocence. I stretch the truth a bit about how long ago my wife died and then claim the GF is my first attachment since then. I suspect even the knowledge of a happy ending at a massage parlor would be the death knell. She only knows about the twice monthly visits to a reputable spa. Which, by the way, are a vast improvement over most of the massages you'd get, anyway, hand jobs not withstanding.
Just back from Bangkok, sitting in Changi. Reflecting on my time there. If you look to past posts, you will get a feel for how i think operate: not into chasing endless different pussy, tired of the dud ones. I've come to enjoy the "devil i know" more.
The girl i have been visiting now for some years is a working girl, no pretending or false expectations. However, i stay in her "condo" whenever i am in Bangkok (every 6 weeks for a week or so), and have visited family up in the country a couple of times now.
This post is about the "visit family in the country" thing. I am very relaxed about everything. I am working on the basis that i know she is a working girl, and she knows i am married with deep family and business roots (as in tree) at home. However, she and her family treat me like family, organised a serious party to celebrate my birthday, at which the whole village is present including political strength. (about 50 people).
I find the whole thing fascinating, but wondering what all those people make of me and the girl? I do wear a wedding band so that should signal something clearly enough? Or is everyone just pragmatic, understanding that this is reality and nessessary for money to keep flowing from one of the village daughters? Everyone seems to be accepting, and pretty well the whole senior part of the community were involved in this thing where they each put strings around my wrist, and the girls wrist, us kneeling in front of them. Almost felt like a marriage ceremony - certainly made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck!
The girl is open with me, her home is open to me, and all associated with that: her mail, email, bills, bank statements etc.
So what is going on that i don't see?
Ozirob.
Ozirob, congratulations on your new Thai wife!
[QUOTE=Ozirob]So what is going on that i don't see?[/QUOTE]
Hopeful expectation.
She's poor. She's sold her soul and therefore, has little real hope within the culture. Basically, her life is fucked and she knows it. You're a Farang with money. Thais are very out of sight, out of mind - meaning your wife's not around. You are. It's not beyond the realm of possibility (in her mind) that you would keep her as a Gig or something else on the side, and help her family and the immediate world. Thais aren't pragmatic. They're lazy dreamers who look for easy (and short-term) solutions to complex problems. Don't get too sucked in by the warmth and the inclusion. Enjoy it for what it is. But, stay detached and expect at some point or other to be asked for money.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Thais aren't pragmatic. They're lazy dreamers who look for easy (and short-term) solutions to complex problems.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.
Ozirob
Cut through OTH's bizarre and extreme black-and-white take on all things Thai, and you will find lots of good info and advice in his posts. It's unlikely that you are your TG's 'last chance saloon'. There are plenty of Thai guys, mostly (but not exclusively) lowlives, who are attracted to bargirls. But I think that what OTH is trying to say is that you are perceived as a better option, given her current circumstances, by your girl and her family.
Btw, 2041 was joking. There were no monks present at that relationship affirmation party in your GF's village. There weren't any, right?.....were there:D?
[quote=terry terrier]cut through oth's bizarre and extreme black-and-white take on all things thai[/quote]
i don't think my take is all that bizarre or b&w. years of close up and personal experience has given me a rather in-depth knowledge of how these people think and operate. i'm pretty confident that i'm most often correct in my assessments.
my assertion that her life is fucked may seem extreme. but, the prospect of maybe attracting the type of lowlife thai guy, to which you refer, who will surely bring nothing to the relationship but continued poverty and heartache means that in reality, such a girl has zero prospects unless she can snag some hapless farang who doesn't understand the culture.
i see these types of guys every day and can feel nothing but pity for them. by marrying the working girl, they may artificially elevate her status among her peers and within her community. but, at the same time, they lower their own and are largely held in contempt by the vast majority of the population.
it's hard enough for farang living here, without adding insult to injury by getting involved with what is considered a social pariah.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Btw, 2041 was joking. There were no monks present at that relationship affirmation party in your GF's village. There weren't any, right?.....were there:D?[/QUOTE]
Shhhhhh! Don't spoil the fun.
Don't worry guys, my eyes are open, and my head is around the situation. I just was interested to have some observations and different perspectives. And in a general sense, they all are in line with my thoughts.
I will keep you posted! :-) but don't wait for an invitation to a wedding, there won't be one...
Thanks for the contributions!
Ozirob
Is it not the case that some village girls will go down the working girl route in there younger years in persute of baht to do there bit to support family but later go back and regain a degree of respectability in the village scene, marry a thai guy and have kids. I certainly know a few with checkered pasts that have come good. With then the working game was a means to an end. And not the coruptable influence we europeans tend to classify it as. Just my 2 cents worth.
[b]Every LOS Rookie should read this.[/b]
Not sure if this is a Prank or not but it looks genuine to me and I am sure this man has a lot of brothers out there to whom something similar happened.
[url]http://www.phenchaloemphol.com/[/url]
Don't get me wrong, it is not always like this, sometimes, it is the guy who scams the girl (Ask Giotto, I am sure he has a few stories from his Girls).
[QUOTE=Yorkie]Is it not the case that some village girls will go down the working girl route in there younger years in persute of baht to do there bit to support family but later go back and regain a degree of respectability in the village scene, marry a thai guy and have kids. I certainly know a few with checkered pasts that have come good. With then the working game was a means to an end. And not the coruptable influence we europeans tend to classify it as. Just my 2 cents worth.[/QUOTE]
Yorkie,
There are cliches that need to be adhered to on ISG: Golden rule no.1 is that there are [B]no[/B] happy endings in the scenarios that you suggest. Please stop misleading the forum forthwith.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Yorkie,
Golden rule no.1 is that there are [B]no[/B] happy endings in the scenarios that you suggest. Please stop misleading the forum forthwith.[/QUOTE]
(surprised) you mean we can't play the "white Knights" anymore? LOL
[quote=old thai hand]i don't think my take is all that bizarre or b&w. years of close up and personal experience has given me a rather in-depth knowledge of how these people think and operate. i'm pretty confident that i'm most often correct in my assessments.
my assertion that her life is fucked may seem extreme. but, the prospect of maybe attracting the type of lowlife thai guy, to which you refer, who will surely bring nothing to the relationship but continued poverty and heartache means that in reality, such a girl has zero prospects unless she can snag some hapless farang who doesn't understand the culture.
i see these types of guys every day and can feel nothing but pity for them. by marrying the working girl, they may artificially elevate her status among her peers and within her community. but, at the same time, they lower their own and are largely held in contempt by the vast majority of the population.
it's hard enough for farang living here, without adding insult to injury by getting involved with what is considered a social pariah.[/quote]
my thai gf would not dream of taking me back to her village, due to social stigma attached. i therefore had to be excluded from her brother's wedding. obviously she does not want to appear to be a p4p girl.
probably people assume she is the secret 2nd wife of some thai man. commonplace in thailand and probably with much less stigma than being with a farang.
on the other hand she is very worried about severe social problems that i will experience if i should take her back home to australia.
obviously there is some social stigma in australia but it is not as severe as in thailand.
my workmates and friends already know i have been associating with thai girl(s) (more than one) for years.
she cannot easily comprenhend that i can put up with what ever others might think of me in australia, if i have a gf from thailand that is many years younger than me.