The Topic is discrimination against Haitians in the Dominican Republic
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]But going back to Dominican racism how can these so called victims of the system complain about these issues when they do it too there own kind in there homeland?[/QUOTE]I see your point. But what does that have to do with the price of cerdo (pork) in the Dominican Republic? You keep referencing Haiti. They the Dominican Republic and Haiti are two different countries and governments.
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]They have several different racial groups in Haiti but as I stated before these so called victims marginalized there own people based upon skin complexion and facial features in a country that proudly abolished slavery before the Europeans did but in reality it never went away it just took on a different name.[/QUOTE]Once again, another one of your opinions and you are referencing what is going on in Haiti and comparing it to the Dominican Republic. Canada has a history of slavery. Yet, there is a racist from Canada that posts on the Dominican Republic Threads and the Thailand Threads on a regular basis. Has nothing to do with the Dominican Republic. He dragged his Ship Captain ideas down here with him.
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]Most of the ones I met in the DR are not good people. It's just the fact you got money and that's the only reason they're being nice to you. They lie cheat and steal just like the Dominicans in the DR to the tourists. I know that the participate in the set up of robberies and burglaries also in the Dominican Republic.[/QUOTE]Maybe you need to look in the mirror and ask yourself about the kind of company that you keep. The Haitians I have dealt with had jobs. The went to the top tier university in Santo Domingo (AS I DID). They spoke multiple languages. One was a university trained account the other was a engineer.
So while you are talking all that dumb shit that is unrelated to anything let me throw something out there about the character of Haitians:
[B]Tijuanas Haitian immigrants seen as a model for other newcomers[/B]
[URL]https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-haitians-tijuana-mexico-20181208-story.html[/URL]
This idea that you are proffering that all Haitians are of bad character says more about YOUR character and is some [B]pure unadulterated male bovine excrement![/B]!
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]The argument can be said that Haitian and Dominicans are literally the same people with the same blood line but they were separated by different boarders and became one nation again and separated again. [/QUOTE]Then why all the discrimination? You do acknowledge that it occurs. Or cannot your not see that with your [I]own two eyes[/I].
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]Many Haitians see Dominicans as a close relative and some Dominicans feel the same way. The world publishes numerous articles about how Haitians are mistreated in the Dominican Republic and I kid you not I witnessed with my own two eyes how Haitians mistreat their own kind in Haiti.[/QUOTE]I kid you not, I have witnesses with my own two eyes how Dominicans mistreat Haitians in the Dominican Republic. I have listen with my own two ears the ranting about how the individuals Dominicans hate Haitians being in their country.
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981072]However, these types of discussions are never mentioned by the media because it'll make their asylum claims less beneficial in the countries they emigrate too.[/QUOTE]Help me out again. Didn't this discussion between use start about discrimination against the Haitians in the Dominican Republic. For me the discussion remains about discrimination against Haitians in the Dominican Republic. But you feel the need to head off on tangents about what is happening in Haiti right now.
I am a political refugee from the United States of America. They have uniformed government officers that act as death squads called [B]POLICE[/B]. They roam the country with orders to kill those who look like me on sight. I am thankful that the Dominican Republic provided me with asylum from certain death. These types of discussions are never published by the media because it would make the USGOV look like the complete hypocrites they are.
Facts need to be backed up. Opinions do not!
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981508]Haiti sucks and guess what does so called great folks are not there to improve the overall well being in their nation. You implies that they went to top notch universities in DR and had great jobs that literally nullifies the idea that Dominicans are so racists that they are trying to destroy their very existence! Correct me if I'm wrong the LA Times is nothing more than just some left leaning woke newspaper that's pro whatever the Democrats support. And however, there's several stories coming out of Mexico were Haitian migrants was getting involved in organized crime selling drugs and pimping women in cartel territory also. Unfortunately many of them emigrate to countries and do just that. The Bahamas is flooded with Haitians committing crimes and so is Puerto Rico and these stories don't get covered by the media because they want some sympathy for them to be able to relocate. You're right the topic did initially began as a subject about racism in DR as I stated before those people are very racists towards one another based upon skin tone, facial features and I'm not talking about the ones who identifies as white Or Mulatoo I'm talking about the black ones. What's the point proving Dominicans hate them when they hate themselves that was all I'm trying to make. The media published all this crap about Dominican racism abd it's virtually impossible to find one Haitian self hate! Those people don't give a damn about black unity or you empathize with them. They only care about getting some money out of you and the same goes for anywhere in Latin America or the Caribbean islands. It's a culture of greed my guy and I do not have hate for Haitian people but I do watch my wallet when I'm around those people it's not like they're angels you know.[/QUOTE][B]If they are facts, quote the source documents[/B] Otherwise the post above is composed simply of more of your opinions that you are proffering as facts. You have the right to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Your opinions do not nullify my actual experiences living in the Dominican Republic for 10 plus years.
Search and you shall receive
Hey smart guy how about doing a little bit of research this information is out there in the open except the internal racism and prejudice that exists in Haiti.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2981540][B]If they are facts, quote the source documents[/B] Otherwise the post above is composed simply of more of your opinions that you are proffering as facts. You have the right to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Your opinions do not nullify my actual experiences living in the Dominican Republic for 10 plus years.[/QUOTE]
The Subject is Discrimination agains Haitian people in the Dominican Republic
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2981787]Hey smart guy how about doing a little bit of research this information is out there in the open except the internal racism and prejudice that exists in Haiti.[/QUOTE]I understand that you think you are a Super Genius (and you might be because I do not know your real intellectual capacity). The original subject that you responded to was an article I posted about discrimination against Haitians in the [U]Dominican Republic[/U].
[B]FULL STOP![/B]
If you would like to start another thread about an another subject the burden of proof is on you as the plaintiff. I am not going to do your intellectually heavy lifting for you bro. Please head over the the Haiti country forum and update us with your extensive knowledge of Haiti. I hope you spent more than 51 days there. But even if you have spent just one day there compared to me, then you have spent more time there than I have and I defer to your extensive knowledge of all things Haitian in Haiti.
[B]The Defense Rests![/B]
A little more on the subject
[B]The number of alleged human rights violations is surging as officials ramp up deportations to Haiti, which shares the island of Hispaniola with the Dominican Republic.[/B]
[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/haitian-migrants-dominican-republic-abuse-allegations-rcna191639[/URL]
Interested to know the opinions of others about the validity of this news report from those that actually living in the Dominican Republic currently. Now I am not making a political statement here. I am from a country where a unelected individual that has a background from one of the most racist regimes that has ever existed on this earth now running my country through proxy. Same sort of mass deportation are on going. Human rights violation have been occurring against my people in my country of origin ever sene the police were given a badge.
Time to bring this thread back
[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/amp/news?id=239526&title=dominican-republic-fails-to-maintain-tourism-record-arrivals-fall-almost-10-in-february[/URL]
I think it's much downer than mentioned.
Tourism is down in the Dominican Republic. Who would have thought?
[QUOTE=MwenByen;2996418][URL]https://dominicantoday.com/amp/news?id=239526&title=dominican-republic-fails-to-maintain-tourism-record-arrivals-fall-almost-10-in-february[/URL]
I think it's much downer than mentioned.[/QUOTE]I don't have a point of reference. But the numbers are not lying. They are official and being presented in the best light possible. The real question is why is Tourism down?
According to Oakie, there are still many happy mongers visiting the open air brothel known as Sosua (they just are not writing about it on ISG). Maybe they decided to goto Thailand where there is better infrastructure, rule of law, international cuisine available and 6 other countries your can visit within a direct 1 - 5 hour flight.
[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]
Leah Francis Campos says curtailing Chinese influence in DR will be a priority if con
[I]During the US Senate confirmation hearing, US ambassador nominee to the Dominican Republic, Leah Francis Campos spoke of how counteracting the growing influence of China in the Dominican Republic would be a priority of her administration. . I will work tirelessly to counter the Chinese Communist Partys influence in the Dominican Republic and throughout the hemisphere, she said during the confirmation hearing.
She spoke of what she described as the robust, dynamic relationship between the two countries. More than two million Americans of Dominican heritage reside in the US, five million US tourists visit the DR every year. The US enjoys a more than US$5.5 billion trade surplus with the DR with more than US$30 billion in bilateral trade. These connections provide a strong foundation for collaboration on key issues that impact both of our nations, she said.
She also said that among her top priorities, if confirmed, will be to work closely with the Dominican government to enhance border security and curb illegal immigration to the US while stepping up the work we already do together to disrupt the operations of drug cartels and transnational criminal organizations.
"The DR and US already have a strong relationship, and we havent had an ambassador for more than four years. I hope to reinvigorate and strengthen relationship," she said. She mentioned combatting drug trafficking as another priority.
She addressed the challenge of Haiti and her priority to work for what she called creating a positive chapter for Haiti. She said she would work closely with the US mission in Port-au-Prince to find solutions to stabilize the situation in Haiti is troubling at best.
She also said another priority once confirmed will be working on the agenda of the Summit of the Americas scheduled for early December 2025 in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic. If confirmed, it will be a top priority to align with the interests of the US and interests in keeping the region stable, secure democratic, combatting criminality in the region, a key issue in the region and at the summit, she said during the confirmation hearing.
The Dominican Republic is under plenty of international pressure to become more of the solution to Haiti. Yet, given the high cost in taxpayer money and sovereignty, the DR is reverting from this trend acknowledging the reality that international forces have been doing less and less to find a Haitian solution to the Haitian crisis.
Given the lack of international actions, the DR has enforced border security, and has begun to crack down on people and goods smuggling mafias that profit from the crisis in Haiti. Moreso, for the first time in decades, the DR is taking actions to send the message the DR cannot be the main provider of the social services education and hospital services for the population in Haiti.
The border security and social services come at a very high cost to the Dominican Republic. Recently, the Dominican government spent RD$500 million to purchase air-conditioned buses to transport deported Haitians to Haiti. The DR shares a 391 km border of which there is only a concrete fence at 50 km of the border. Foreign Minister Roberto Alvarez calls the border a revolving door.
In recent developments of US and DR relations, President Donald Trump and President Luis Abinader spoke briefly when they both coincided in the Vatican See for the funeral ceremonies of Pope Francis. Likewise, last week US Secretary of State Marco Rubio called President Luis Abinader to reaffirm US collaboration to the DR in the key issue of irregular immigration.
Last week, the Dominican Migration Agency cracked down on Chinese stores and detained dozens of undocumented Haitian workers irregularly employed by the large stores. Chinese investment has opened hundreds of stores, including megastores, to sell Chinese goods. Established businesses have protested the privileged import regimes that have enabled the entry of Chinese goods, as well as the lax tax and labor inspections on these businesses.
The appointment of Leah Campos coincides with the naming of Maria Isabel Castillo Baez as Dominican ambassador in Washington, DC. She is taking office this May. Previously, she was the Dominican ambassador in Mexico.[/I]
6 Million Visits The RD in 6 Months
[URL]https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2025/07/08/dominican-republic-surpasses-6-million-visitors-in-first-half-of-the-year/[/URL]
This article got to fake, I've been to this country 6 times this year. Each time its dead at the airport. Zona Colonial looks like a ghost town. Bavaro was very disappointing I'm trying to figure out where are these people going to visit because it show in the hell ain't Sousa.
So where's all the tourists
The article claims an uptick in tourism in the country but the said names mentioned in the original posting. It looked deserted compared to how things used to be. At least from my prior visits. So that's why I mentioned that beach was disappointing. I'm starting to think the tourists are visiting the hood.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;3017786]Not at all. What does you looking for pussy have to do with you posting an article on tourism numbers that you believe is fake? That is like you saying you don't believe the dishes are clean, then when someone shows you the dishes are actually clean you saying but I want to go to the beach. You are being incoherent; one has nothing to do with the other.[/QUOTE]
