Seoul

My first trip to Fantasy today:

I was bored so I figure why not visit Fantasy and see what all the fuss was about that place and Miya.

It was around 2:10 in the afternoon, after the long walk up the stairs, I saw fantasy on the hill. The door was open so I just peaked in. She came running out the door telling me it wasn't open, and she is not accpeting Korean customers (I am korean-american so obviously I look like Korean) Thanks to some of the members' posts on this website warning me about how Miya does NOT like Korean, so I started speaking in english. So she responded by, "you american?". "Yeah of course". " Oh oh okay come in". So that's how I got in!

Warning everybody, it is correct that she does not SERVE korean customers so if you are korean american, or whatever, just speak to her in english.

So I went in, sat down chit chat a bit. She said I was the first customer of the day and it hasn't been busy at all lately. She's getting less than like 5 or 6 customers a day so she was craving some mean cocks!. Anyway my first impression of her face was horror itself. She looks maybe mid 30's, looks a bit old and odd, definitely not attractive I have to say. But I heard she got some excellent skills so I was definitely willing to look beyond what was sitting in front of me. So we chit chat a bit, I told her some of my american friends introduced me to this place, which she fell for.

After like 10 min, I had a cider (sprite), and she was like "special service in the backroom". I was like why not? Thats' why I came here for, so I walked into the back room which had little tv, and a sofa and a little brown dog (poodle) which name was "Keum-Sun-e" or something like that. It was W50,000 for BBBJTC, which I thought was pretty expensive cause I heard she had happy hour rates (for W30,000). Anyway I paid, went to back room, she brought in baby wipes, and the things proceed. Finished in about 15min or so, walked out. Here's my impression:

As somebody already said in this forum, her BBBJ was like slurp and wet kind, which I did like def. But...

1. She had no skills or whatsoever. Only thing she could do is just move back and forth. No use of tongue, no nothing. I would rate 2/10.

2. I could play with her breast, but nothing else. No playing with pussy= no fun

3. very energenitic, I have to say, but overall I would not go back unless I am really desperate. She is NOT pretty, got NO skills. I do not understand what all the fuss was about Miya. She was very nice tho. After I went in, she locked the door, turned off the lights, so it looks like the store isn't even open so you don't really have to worry about the crackdown. I did not see any police around, so it looks like Itaewon is still safe. After the completion, she would go outside to look out for you so you can leave the place safely. Over all really, she was nice, but i would not go back there. if you wanna check it out yourself, i suggest you do so, but there's really nothing much to it. I defnitely had better and she was one of the worst I have to say. Maybe next time I will ask her if I can play with her pussy, that might make a world of difference.

I tipped her 20,000 which is a lot but I figure it would be my first and last time, so better be nice. Plus she hasn't had a customers all day so I was being nice. She didn't even charge for my cider anyway so that was good. If anybody had any different experience with Miya , please let me know, and plus you should NOT speak korean to her or you''ll get your ass kicked out the door. so speak english to her if you are korean looking then she will let you in.

Safe Hunting fellas!

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I feel it's appropriate, in light of the current crackdown, and the long-term negative prospects for the "semi-legitimate" sex industry in Korea, to point out that there is a rather bold alternative to mongering than hanging around Seoul and scamming for freelancers.

That alternative is Angeles City, Phillipines. I've been there many times from Seoul, so this is an informed opinion. I do almost all of my mongering there, and haven't had any troubles yet -- in fact, I would live there if there were any decent jobs.

Both major airlines (KAL, Asiana) and a small regional carrier (Cebu Pacific) fly there on Friday nights. There are several return flights on Sundays, and one early Monday morning. There are also daily flights back and forth during the week. During non-peak season (non-peak for Koreans, that is, which is basically now until the Christmas season), you can get a flight for about W250,000 through a travel agent. During peak season, like during Chuseok or other long vacation weekends, be warned that it can rise up to W500,000. You can fly to Manila and take a 2-hour taxi ride (a little pricey, about W30,000) to Angeles, or fly direct to Angeles for a little more. Either way, you can arrange to be there on Friday and Saturday night, and most of Sunday.

While there, decent hotels (no stars, of course, but about as clean and roomy as a motel in Korea) are from W20,000 to 30,000 a night. Food is mostly Western (the variety is amazing; southern brunches, real chili, tacos, burritos, cheap steaks, real philly cheesesteaks, meaty spaghetti, and on and on), and costs about W5,000 for a huge portion and a beer.

During the day, there isn't much to do except nurse your hangover, recover your strength, hit some of the afternoon bars, golf, or lounge around the pool or bar (and play pool for less than W1,000 a game). Of course, you won't be seeing much daylight, because....

As for mongering, there are about 50-60 bars, each with 20-50 dancers. It is strip club style; you buy San Miguel (local beer) for W1,500, ladies drinks for W3,000, and there is generally no rush (occasionally they can be pushy, but you can say no easily as Filipinos are a friendly and relaxed people). You make your choice. A bar fine for the night is W25,000 (!), and this generally includes once before bed, and once in the morning, although this is negotiable (the bars, all of which are run by expat Europeans, do not coerce or pressure the girls). Cialis and Viagra, and herbal alternatives, are readily available, and much cheaper than in Korea. Most girls are pretty shy in bed, which turns me on. You get a great GFE from most of the girls, who are very friendly, playful, and talkative (except for the shy ones or the newbies).

Filipinas are shorter (average height 5'1"), darker, and don't have as fine facial features as Koreans. They tend to look like Mexicans or South Americans, with some Thai or Chinese mixes thrown in, as they are a mix between indigenous peoples and Spanish. They speak Tagalog, but English is an official language, and the average Filipino speaks better than a Korean English major. They have beautiful skin, and tight bodies. There is a much higher ratio of large (in comparison to frame), firm breasts and tight asses than in Korea. Of course, tastes vary.

The best part, though, is that the atmosphere is extremely different from Korea. Filipinos are open, relaxed, friendly, a little naive, definitely not as aggressive and serious and cold like Koreans can sometimes be. The customers are 95% expats, either retired, running businesses there, or visiting. Everything is geared toward the foreigner. You just feel all the stress that you didn't know you had in Korea melt away in a bliss of alcohol, eye candy, and sex. You may, in fact, call in sick the first weekend, extend your plane ticket, and not come back for a week.

Of course, check out the Philippines section in the forum. I'm putting most of the information together in one place because I've spent hours finding all the relevant facts about a new destination, and I thought this would make things easier for casual viewers. It's not for everyone, and you'd have to check the pictures (which don't encompass all the beauty that is the Filipina; if I can find a scanner, I'll post some nice ones) and read the reports to decide for yourself, but few people directly compare the two cultures.

There are many wonderful aspects about Korean culture and women, but there are just as many plusses for the foreign monger in the Philippines. I would like to point out that Koreans are considered foreigners there, as it is obvious from the skin and body type (height, build), and we are certainly welcome there (although some girls have had bad experiences with somewhat abusive or condescending Korean men). Filipinas (female for Filipino) love foreigners, and are genuinely happy just making their half of the bar fine (US$10 a day is a great wage in the Philippines) -- although they would love a foreign boyfriend.

I'm definitely biased, but then, aren't we all? I'm Korean, but I just love it in the Philippines. If you add it all up, you spend on average W500,000 - 600,000 for a weekend, including flights, lots and lots of beer and ladies drinks, and three or four barfines (yes, there are places open during the afternoon, if you want to switch girls or go through a half dozen in a weekend). This compares favorably to two nights of heavy drinking and picking up professionals in Itaewon or a RLD (if you aren't rejected for being a whitey - sorry). For longer stays, figure about W100,000-150,000 per day (including hotel, meals, barhopping, and a barfine). Compare that to W60-70,000 for the RLD, or W100,000+ for Hooker Hill (depending on the night), and you get a shitload of beers, bikini clad girly shows, a great day-relaxing/night-partying atmosphere, a hotel with a pool, and a short vacation to a warmer climate thrown in for the airfare.

I'm just adding my two cents because I learned of Angeles from a friend, brushed up on it through this forum, and would like to pass the torch on my favorite mongering destination in Asia. I love Korean women, but mongering is so much less fun here than it is there. To sum up, Korean women are better girlfriends (taller, more educated, etc.), but Filipinas are better dates (for those of you who wonder about the whole Catholic thing, think back to your youth -- who were the sluttiest girls in high school? That's right, Catholic school girls!).

If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask or PM me. Enjoy!

I feel it's appropriate, in light of the current crackdown, and the long-term negative prospects for the "semi-legitimate" sex industry in Korea, to point out that there is a rather bold alternative to mongering than hanging around Seoul and scamming for freelancers.

That alternative is Angeles City, Phillipines, right next to the old Clark Air Force Base (near Mount Pinatubo). I've been there many times from Seoul, so this is an informed opinion. I do almost all of my mongering there, and haven't had any troubles yet -- in fact, I would live there if there were any decent jobs.

Both major airlines (KAL, Asiana), Philippine Airlines, and a small regional carrier (Cebu Pacific) all fly there on Friday nights. There are several return flights on Sundays, and one early Monday morning. There are also daily flights back and forth during the week. During low season (low season for Koreans, that is, which is basically now until the Christmas season), you can get a flight for about W250,000 through a travel agent. During peak season, like during Chuseok or other long vacation weekends, be warned that it can rise up to W500,000. You can fly to Manila and take a 2-hour taxi ride (a little pricey, about W30,000) to Angeles, or fly direct to Angeles (ask for Clark to your travel agent) for a little more. Either way, you can arrange to be there on Friday and Saturday night, and most of Sunday. Visitor visas are issued on arrival for almost every nationality.

While there, decent hotels (no stars, of course, but about as clean and roomy as a motel in Korea) are from W20,000 to 30,000 a night. Food is mostly Western (the variety is amazing; southern brunches, real chili, tacos, burritos, cheap steaks, real philly cheesesteaks, meaty spaghetti, and on and on), and costs about W5,000 for a huge portion and a beer.

During the day, there isn't much to do except nurse your hangover, recover your strength, hit some of the afternoon bars, golf, or lounge around the pool or bar (and play pool for less than W1,000 a game). Of course, you won't be seeing much daylight, because....

As for mongering, there are about 50-60 bars, each with 20-50 dancers. It is strip club style; you buy San Miguel (local beer) for W1,500, ladies drinks for W3,000, and there is generally no rush (occasionally they can be pushy, but you can say no easily as Filipinos are a friendly and relaxed people). You make your choice. A bar fine for the night is W25,000 (!), and this generally includes once before bed, and once in the morning, although this is negotiable (the bars, all of which are run by expat Europeans, do not coerce or pressure the girls). Cialis and Viagra, and herbal alternatives, are readily available, and much cheaper than in Korea. Most girls are pretty shy in bed, which turns me on. You get a great GFE from most of the girls, who are very friendly, playful, and talkative (except for the shy ones or the newbies).

Filipinas are shorter (average height 5'1"), darker, and don't have as fine facial features as Koreans. They tend to look like Mexicans or South Americans, with some Thai or Chinese mixes thrown in, as they are a mix between indigenous peoples and Spanish. They speak Tagalog, but English is an official language, and the average Filipino speaks better than a Korean English major. They have beautiful skin, and tight bodies. There is a much higher ratio of large (in comparison to frame), firm breasts and tight asses than in Korea. Of course, tastes vary.

The best part, though, is that the atmosphere is extremely different from Korea. Filipinos are open, relaxed, friendly, a little naive, definitely not as aggressive and serious and cold like Koreans can sometimes be. The customers are 95% expats, either retired, running businesses there, or visiting. Everything is geared toward the foreigner. You just feel all the stress that you didn't know you had in Korea melt away in a bliss of alcohol, eye candy, and sex. You may, in fact, call in sick the first weekend, extend your plane ticket, and not come back for a week.

Of course, check out the Philippines section in the forum. I'm putting most of the information together in one place because I've spent hours finding all the relevant facts about a new destination, and I thought this would make things easier for casual viewers. It's not for everyone, and you'd have to check the pictures (which don't encompass all the beauty that is the Filipina; if I can find a good quality scanner, I'll post some nice ones) and read the reports to decide for yourself, but few people directly compare the two cultures.

There are many wonderful aspects about Korean culture and women, but there are just as many plusses for the foreign monger in the Philippines. I would like to point out that Koreans are considered foreigners there, as it is obvious from the skin and body type (height, build), and we are certainly welcome there (although some girls have had bad experiences with somewhat abusive or condescending Korean men). Filipinas (female for Filipino) love foreigners, and are genuinely happy just making their half of the bar fine (US$10 a day is a great wage in the Philippines) -- although they would love a foreign boyfriend.

I'm definitely biased, but then, aren't we all? I'm Korean, but I just love it in the Philippines. If you add it all up, you spend on average W500,000 - 600,000 for a weekend, including flights, lots and lots of beer and ladies drinks, and three or four barfines (yes, there are places open during the afternoon, if you want to switch girls or go through a half dozen in a weekend). This compares favorably to two nights of heavy drinking and picking up professionals in Itaewon or a RLD (if you aren't rejected for being a whitey - sorry). For longer stays, figure about W100,000-150,000 per day (including hotel, meals, barhopping, and a barfine). Compare that to W60-70,000 for the RLD, or W100,000+ for Hooker Hill (depending on the night), and you get a shitload of beers, bikini clad girly shows, a great day-relaxing/night-partying atmosphere, a hotel with a pool, and a short vacation to a warmer climate thrown in for the airfare.

I'm just adding my two cents because I learned of Angeles from a friend, brushed up on it through this forum, and would like to pass the torch on my favorite mongering destination in Asia. I love Korean women, but mongering is so much less fun here than it is there. To sum up, Korean women are better girlfriends (taller, more educated, etc.), but Filipinas are better dates (for those of you who wonder about the whole Catholic thing, think back to your youth -- who were the sluttiest girls in high school? That's right, Catholic school girls!).

For more information, check this forum, or www.balibago.com, or search for Angeles, Philippines at Google. Balibago is the name of the district.

I could go on and on, but if you have any specific questions, feel free to ask or PM me. Enjoy!

Well I spose I like going to Fantasy because I know what to expect.

I dont get the bullshit drink routine, the scamming. I must admit the face aint that great, but seriously if her face is down in your crotch, who are you to care??

Huge plus is that she doesnt rush you either. Other places in Itaewon do the rush job.

Can anyone else recomend a nice BJ bar for 50k no rush??

Also another nice thing about Fantasy is that its at the top of the hill and people cant see you go in from the bottom of the hill.

Go to China. A few reasons if I may.

1) Chinese women look like Korean women, especially the ones from up north. The younger girls, by that I mean in their early 20's, are usually 5'5" and taller. If you have a preference for fair skinned Asian women, there's 700 million of 'em in China.

2a) Chinese KTV is about as close to Korean Room Salon as you can get, but a whole lot cheaper and in some ways better. In Dongguan, at a 5 star hotel with rooms nicer than any Room Salon in Korea and I've been to some really nice ones, a bottle of Chivas costs 600RMB, which is about $73, or 84,000W. If you buy 2 bottles, you usually get one on the house. You don't even have to drink whiskey, you can drink beer or wine all night if you want to save a couple of RMB. You tip the girls 200Y which is about 21,000W. Most of the better KTV's even have Korean songs. Oh yeah, a night in a 5 star hotel in Dongguan costs about 400Y, which is about 62,000W. When I say 5 star, I mean 5 star, the rooms are at least as nice as Lotte or Ritz Carlton. If you want to spend the night with the girl, it's usually 1000RMB for the girl, or about 135,000W. Did I mention that KTVs at 5 star hotels have around 500-600 girls to choose from? That's not a typo.

2b) In any large city, there are a number of 3-4 star hotels that have KTV with Chosunjok girls. These girls are ethnic Koreans from up north in Yeonbyeon who speak Korean, although with a slight accent. If you simply must have Korean girls, you can go to one of these, but the selection is often not as good since the KTVs tend to be smaller. On the plus side, since these are usually at the middle range hotels, it's cheaper and they carry Korean whiskey; Dimple, Imperial, Lancelot, if that's your preference.

3) Flights to China are cheap and short depending on your destination. I'm in Shenzhen so I fly to Hong Kong so that would cost a little more, but not too much more.

4) If you like golf, there about a dozen golf courses all about an hour from where I am. Shenzhen also has Mission Hills, a course designed by Jack Nicklaus. Mission Hills alone has 180 holes. There are so many golf courses in China that the government had to outlaw building new ones. Some of the golf courses have girls for caddies. You know what that means.

5) There are massage places galore. A lot of them, like Jia Hua Grand Hotel, offer services that are comparable if not better than the better massage places in Korea. If you just want regular sport massage, that's like 30Y for an hour, which is about 3100W.

6) If you want cheap bang bang 30 minute sex ala 588, China has that too, usually around 160RMB, or 20,000W.

7) There's other stuff to do besides just mongering. You can do business, sightsee, go to museums, concerts, sample different Chinese cuisine (you know what I mean).

I walked through Sillim Station district tonight and all seemed normal. The an-ma's, ee-yong-won's, and dal-la-ju-jeong's all were open. I think it is just the main RLD's that have been effected.

Ball44

This message is brought to you by the Angeles City Chamber of Commerce and the Greater Manila Tourism Authority.

moody,

I think I will stay in Korea.



Sam Katz aka ...

Well, the crackdown in Seoul is a sad thing for all mongers, but I wonder if it's the same for Pusan?

Hi guys,

Thought I would post a quick report on my Seoul adventures.

Didn't do enough research before I went so more fool me. But I was more than happy with Friends, which I found out about on here. Had a great massage from tiny Korean thing, followed by the best HJ ever. I couldn't have done it better myself. Damn near blinded myself when I shot my load ! If anybody is interested in going there the guy at the reception (who I have to say was very friendly) makes it very clear that all that's on offer is a massage and HJ. Pity. Anybody got anything extra?

I also had a stroll around Itaewon. This is where I should have done some more research. A couple of girls tried to drag me into bars but I didn't fancy getting ripped off so I declined. Definitely will have to find out some where's good and where's not next time in Korea.

In fact:

Many Koreans are considering what Moody suggests. Mongers are aiming China / Philiphine / Thai, Girls either Japan or the States. Not sure what the final outcome might be, but I guess the price will eventually rise in Korea.

OTOH, I also heard many girls will turn their attention to the internet marketing and incalls, making something similar to Privat in the EE. Again not sure of it, but thought it would make the perfect sense.

Play Thing

I have been advised that FRIENDS will re-open today. As with the current state of play, please use discretion when entering and leaving the premises.

On the other hand, HAVANA will NOT re-open.

Friends,

Just got word from another friend who ventured out to JJ's this weekend and was approached by girls next to the bar for 200 USD, which roughly equates to 275,000 KRW. Ouch.

DH

The weird thing about this ban, is it's psychological effect. Now that the ban is in place, I feel like I want to go on a 24-hour mongering binge (but would settle for a HJ^^) which I of course never do.

I'm determined not to take too many risks though, what do you think about FRIENDS Ho~man? I suppose it's as safe as one can hope for, being away from major sex industry areas, but the embarrassment I would suffer if I was pinched in a massage parlour, woo, it doesn't bear thinking about.

Hey team,

The TRUTH Dammit,

I travel to korea often for business and it's getting pretty tough finding good looking girls in the RLDs over the past couple of years. The hot chicks are taken up by the locals and rejection is very common - even for a pretty decent looking guy.

The truth is that Korea has a dying legal sex trade: it is not the hot bed of hot asian chicks ready and willing to get your nuts off, so I am going to switch global clearing markets for China and give my weenee the service it deserves.

The PROBLEM Dammit:

1. Korean women are definetly the hottest chicks in general; however, the current generation of Korean men are more open to marrying outside of there social status, which makes it easier for the less educated, poorer, hot chicks in Korea to marry up, which sucks for assholes like us because these typically hot chicks are using their good looks to get out of the gutter because their assets are paying dividends. CODE for: they can get out of the gutter instead of sucking on our cocks for a living.

2. Big brother has been cracking down for years and it has gotten worse over the past few weeks with the general population getting fed up. Recently, there has been a social outcry and a lot of publicity surrounding the sex trade. The gov is also tampering with the idea of posting your picture and name all over the airwaves - also sucks because this is not typical of Korea.

3. The RLD's have been considerably downsized in the recent past because of problems with the illegal foreign sex trade, where many of the women are smuggled in from southeast asia, Russia, and China. Barber shops also used to be good places to go for a quicky; however, most of them cut your hair, bill you and get mad when you even bring up the topic. What the? These shops used to be filled with women who did not want to register in the sec industry, so they fronted as hair stylist. Now they use this old trick to get customers for a legitimate business and stiff the next dumb ass for a hair cut.

Iteawon has girls walking the streets and in the clubs; however, there not much to look at. If you are not careful, you'll rub the 2" inches of freaking make up off of their faces.

The SOLUTION Dammit:

Save your money and move further west or south to Sanghai, China or Taipei, Taiwan, where the women are about as beautiful as Korean women and a lot more receptive to your sexual needs. Besides, what you will really blow after all is said and done is about about $100 - $150 USD to get your Nuts off in any one of Seouls 3 primary RLDs ($300 USD for the high end girls in hotel lounges and men's bars) and probably, $35- $60 USD in China. You do the math!!!!!!!!

WAIT....hold your horses sonny, I have more good news for you. Take a good look at the pictures of Korean women on this forum and their Chinese counterparts. The Chinese women in northern China are also pretty damn hot.

Come visit China, where the *****s are *****s and everything is cheap.