Chiang Mai

Hi everyone,

I am starting a visit for a few days in Chiang Mai. I am staying at the Le Meriden Hotel near the night market. It's higher end than I usually go, but I found a fantastic deal that I couldn't pass on.

Does anyone know if this place is girl friendly?

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Somewhere15; 1402500]Sorry to hear this; I had similar (but less expensive) experience in China years ago.

If you have paid with credit card you can ask the company to restore this.

In their contracts with webstores Credit Card companies all have a restriction that within 60 days the transaction can be cancelled.

It is than up to the company to agree with the customer about the exact payment.

The only negative point is they get your data (like real name and address).

Good luck[/QUOTE]"[b]Webstores[/b]"? He was in a brothel (or so he hoped)! Actually it was a rip-off place and I doubt they will apply the "webstore" rules.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1404543]Hi everyone,

I am starting a visit for a few days in Chiang Mai. I am staying at the Le Meriden Hotel near the night market. It's higher end than I usually go, but I found a fantastic deal that I couldn't pass on.

Does anyone know if this place is girl friendly?

Thanks![/QUOTE]Can't say for CM but not the one in CR.

[QUOTE=Manny51; 1404543]Hi everyone,

I am starting a visit for a few days in Chiang Mai. I am staying at the Le Meriden Hotel near the night market. It's higher end than I usually go, but I found a fantastic deal that I couldn't pass on.

Does anyone know if this place is girl friendly?

Thanks![/QUOTE]No, it isn`t.

You`re have access to some skank in the handful of bars at nearby Loi Kroh road, but there is nothing else.

The many massage parlours actually by the Night Bazaar do have a few lookers, but you will not get anything out of these, other than a massage. Most won`t even oblige with a HJ and they rarely do outcalls. These are strictly touristy type places.

In answer to Gorgon`s question about Pai, the mongering prospects are practically zilch.

[quote=zerohero; 1401804]damned, i could slap my face for how stupid i was yesterday, but at least i'd like to warn all of you to go to the "my love club" in chiang mai!

i was asked by a tuk-tuk driver if i'd like to have some fun with nice girls and he showed me a card with many beautiful girls on it."my love club" i read there and as i was anyway looking for some fun that night i agreed. he took me there. it's on the right side of the river, i don't know the street name anymore. arrived there, already many really stunning girls were standing there who welcomed me. the mamasan took me to a karaoke room and told me she will introduce some girls to me and i could choose with whom i'd like to spend my time in this room together.

well, the price for a girl per hour was just 350 baht, so i chose 2 as i couldn't decide between two really absolutely wonderful and sweet girls. the room fee was 250 per hour and the mamasan and another girl also wanted to stay, so even that i agreed. as until now there was nothing really expensive. then we chose the drinks. i didn't accept the very high priced ones for 2000-2500 baht, so we took a whiskey for 1450 baht.

then the "party" began. they played some dance videos on the tv screen and gave me one whiskey after the other, mixed with soda or with coke for the girls. questions about if i would like to give the girls some food for cheap price i answered with "yes". the whole time i only had this 1450 baht for the whiskey in my head, which was the only expensive things on first glance. so i had 4 girls with me, the two i chose left and right of me, hugging, touching here and there, plus the two others who also sat on my knees, rubbing their asses on me and making me hot. sometimes we danced, other times we sat on the sofa. it was fun, ok, but not what i really wanted. i wanted more so after one hour i asked the one girl who i liked the most, if she would come with me; answer was "no".1st disappointment. i asked the other one and the mamasan had to help me with translation, she said "lady think". by that time i realized that was all just a big theater, none of these girls would ever come with me. as the prettiest there they could afford just to sit, dance and play a bit but that was all a guest could await by them. i wanted to pay. the mamasan and her "helper" went out, and didn't come back for a long time. i excused myself with the words "i'll go to toilet", but when i went out they already catched me and wanted me to go back to the room. i said i need to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and when i came back they at least came with the bill. i asked again the girls if they would come with me, the one asked for 10. 000 baht and i was laughing, the other one was still "thinking". now i really just wanted to pay and the mamasan showed me the bill, which really shocked me!

more than 19. 000 baht to pay! the so-thought expensive whiskey was in fact the cheapest thing on that bill. of course all was already doubled for the 2nd hour, the ladies, the room rent, even the "karaoke fee" which they didn't mention before. but these 250 baht were not really the problem anymore. there were 57 times billed for the waiter who came inside to fill up our drinks! only that point on the bill was more than 4000 baht. i said i won't accept this, they should at least halve this point, then i pay. but they didn't even discuss about that point. i was pissed off, i felt cheated, i just wanted to go and i agreed to pay. as i paid with credit card they even demanded an extra fee of 4. even that i agreed just to come out of this rip-off bar.

as if this wasn't enough, the mamasan asked for a "tip for guy who bring drink" as well as each of the "ladies" asked for a tip, too. i said no, i paid already too much. the mamasan repeated my words with a sneering tongue-in-cheek. that was more than enough! i went out, mad and disappointed. the mamasan said she would give me another lady to accompany me. for 4000 baht. i got angry and just ran out. and found my tuk-tuk driver waiting for me! the ride from my hotel to there was just 40 baht and the way back, too. even it was a way through half of the city. but of course he will have his provision on that dirty business.

i went home angry and disappointed, had nothing really done with these girls and was at least 500 euro worse off.

if i think about what i could have done with all this money. i was such a stupid fool. i should have stopped already when i had to chose the drinks, at latest when they wanted more and more, like one time the mamasan even asked me if there could come 1-2 more girls inside the room and i said "no". but that whole thing went out of control and so in the end i can only say i'm enriched by a bad experience which does not throw any bad light on chiang mai on itself as i love the city and i also had my good experiences there, but be aware of this kind of club![/quote]i think for your stupidity you get what you deserve, i can't see how anybody could be so fucking stupid as to sit there and think this is normal. go away my friend and grow a set of balls and learn very quickly about this life

Thanks for the heads up. I happened to walk past that club the other day not even knowing that it was there. There must have been 10-20 girls standingaround the entrance and a lot of them were real stunners. That's the best looking collection of women I've seen around here, but having read a local newspaper account of a Russian tourist who was tasered by a Chiang Mai karaoke club's security team after refusing to pay a trumped up multi-thousand Bhatbill, I could tell that this place would be a similar scam. There was way to much sizzle outside to have any steak inside. Chiang Mai is laid back. If something was really going on there and it spilled out onto the sidewalk like that, they would have a problem here.

I've seen that same game played in New York City strip clubs, particularly the old Scores club on the upper East Side. Usually it's the clubs with a major, aggressive mafia connection. We live and learn. You can still be thankful that it wasn't worse. You could have ended up with a medical bill on top of your club bill if you hadn't paid and had gotten violent about the bill. At least you got yourself out of there with a lesson learned and lived to play successfully another day.

Recently I have been hearing stories of customers having bad experiences in some of Chiang Mai`s massage parlours.

It appears that the majority of massage parlour staff, including the old skanky grannies, who were only recently very keen to oblige with a happy ending for 300 baht have changed they're tactics. Now they are pushing for tips of 500 baht even up to a 1000 baht for a quicky no thrills hand job and sometimes may assert a rather aggressive approach.

The tactic and how it works:

A guy asks for a 1-hour oil massage. The middle-aged granny or maybe younger woman tells the guy to strip off and lay on a mat, table or bed. The guy lies there with only a handkerchief sized towel to cover up his modesty, sometimes there maybe no towel at all in the cubical. Then the lady walks in and begins the massage process. Within only a few minutes she discretely moves off the towel and starts rubbing her hands around his never regions, maybe rubbing her feet against his feet or her legs against his legs in order to get the guy aroused. After about 5 to 10 minutes into the so-called massage the woman will prod the guy and ask him if he wants a special massage? If the guy agrees the woman's next move is to ask, how much he give her? If the guy says. 300 baht tip plus whatever the cost of the massage, then the woman may begin the bartering process and will harass the customer for more and more money in the hope that the guy will give in and pay whatever she demands. If the guy is adamant that he has no interest in a HJ and only wants a straight massage, then the woman will quickly lose interest in the massage, will write off the customer as a loss and the whole event transpires into a boring reluctant formal procedure with the customer counting every second until he's out of there. I have heard of a recent case at a parlour not far from the Loi Kroh Road where a customer was virtually held to ransom by staff until he coughed up with a 1000 baht tip for a HJ.

This has all come about recently, as it seems many of the Chiang Mai massage parlours in the lower price brackets, the grot palaces as I describe them, have amalgamated and now run by a new group of companies or people. They take very little interest in female customers and are mostly geared up for male clientele, fast rub over with goopy oil, HJ, big tip and then onto the next customer.

How to avoid being exploited and ripped off at these so-called massage parlours:

Those who prefer only a massage with no extras, should go for the regular Thai massage, wearing the special top and pants, which they should provide. In many cases when a guy requests an oil massage and lies there practically in the nude, the staff perceive this as an invitation for something extra over and above a standard massage.

If the objective is to receive any sort of sexual service then do the following:

If the woman proceeds with a HJ without asking how much, stop her right from the start and explain how much you are prepared to pay and make sure she fully understands and is agreeable with the offer. Otherwise there is a chance that after the deed is done, she may automatically expect you to pay what she considers as the standard rate, from 500 baht, maybe be up to anything and if not willing to pay, could be faced not being able to get out of there without a fight.

If the woman does offer a HJ but first asks, how much you tip her? Ask how far she is prepared to go? If she responds by saying, only a HJ, no touch me, no nothing else, then whatever you offer over a 300 baht tip has to be left up to the customer's discretion on how much he is prepared to pay. But definitely is not worth any more than 300 baht in my opinion, especially if it`s a passed her sell by date middle aged woman or some grot that no one else would want to shag even for free.

If you actually fancy the woman and she is prepared to let touch, maybe strip off or have FS, then that's up to the customer to decide whatever tip she demands is good value or not.

These days I rarely visit these places anymore. It has all become highly commercial, too fast and too furious for my liking.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1409135]Recently I have been hearing stories of customers having bad experiences in some of Chiang Mai`s massage parlours.

It appears that the majority of massage parlour staff, including the old skanky grannies, who were only recently very keen to oblige with a happy ending for 300 baht have changed they're tactics. Now they are pushing for tips of 500 baht even up to a 1000 baht for a quicky no thrills hand job and sometimes may assert a rather aggressive approach.[/QUOTE]Avery helpful post. I am planning a trip to Chiang Mai in the fall and plan to get off the beaten track. Ideally I would like an escort / guide but your comments on the MP girls certainly precludes

Any take out from that source.

But there must be some MPS offering something akin to Annie's, Darling (now very tired) or the Soi 33 MPs in Bangkok where FS is available after a decent massage which builds the erotic

Feelings.

Ideas?

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1409145]Avery helpful post. I am planning a trip to Chiang Mai in the fall and plan to get off the beaten track. Ideally I would like an escort / guide but your comments on the MP girls certainly precludes

Any take out from that source.

But there must be some MPS offering something akin to Annie's, Darling (now very tired) or the Soi 33 MPs in Bangkok where FS is available after a decent massage which builds the erotic

Feelings.

Ideas?[/QUOTE]Unfortunately there are no massage parlours that offer a full sex service in Chiang Mai. None that I am aware of anyway. There are the handful of soapy massage places. Please read my posts about them.

Sometimes a customer could stumble into a parlour where a staff member will give full sex, but this is all very rare, hit and miss and no guarantees. Something like hoping for a win on the lottery.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick;1409187]Unfortunately there are no massage parlours that offer a full sex service in Chiang Mai.[/QUOTE]Really? What about Sayuri or Pingpayom? I was in CM last year and had a good time at both places.

[QUOTE=Globalnomad5;1409303]Really? What about Sayuri or Pingpayom? I was in CM last year and had a good time at both places.[/QUOTE]That is what I have read. And I wondered if there were more. Go further and ask "does ATick have up-to-date information?" as he rarely visits these places.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470;1409344]That is what I have read. And I wondered if there were more. Go further and ask "does ATick have up-to-date information?" as he rarely visits these places.[/QUOTE]As I have mentioned, these places are soapy massages, completely different to the regular massage parlours that I was referring to.

I suggest you read my post again.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick; 1409359]As I have mentioned, these places are soapy massages, completely different to the regular massage parlours that I was referring to.

I suggest you read my post again.[/QUOTE]Are you seriously suggesting that, in your view, none of the MPs in C'Mai do not offer FS. I don't think you get out and about enough.or do not make the right noises.

Sure, in every Thai city there are MPs where FS is not on offer. But you kid me that regular MPs are not up to the girls offering full sex.

It is but two years since I was last in C'Mai but on every occasion, bar one, when I had a massage, as opposed to a soapie I was offered at least a BJ and most times FS.

[QUOTE=Scorchin1470; 1409571]Are you seriously suggesting that, in your view, none of the MPs in C'Mai do not offer FS. I don't think you get out and about enough. Or do not make the right noises.

Sure, in every Thai city there are MPs where FS is not on offer. But you kid me that regular MPs are not up to the girls offering full sex.

It is but two years since I was last in C'Mai but on every occasion, bar one, when I had a massage, as opposed to a soapie I was offered at least a BJ and most times FS.[/QUOTE]First you state that I rarely visit these places. How do you know where I go and what I do? Then you are mentioning a beerbar, but my post is about massage parlours. Be careful, as some may start thinking that you are a business owner in Chiang Mai and worried about your trade.

I believe the Number One bar, or bar one as you describe it, if you mean the Number One bar in the Loi Kroh Road that is? Changed hands or was revamped sometime last year. It now has a beer garden and has gone sort of respectable. Just Google it in and see for yourself. And they certainly don`t have a massage section that I am aware of. If they do, please put as all in the picture, as I would love to try it out. You would be doing us all a great service. But even if there are girl takeaways there, this is totally irrelevant to the information in my post.

I suggest that when you visit Chiang Mai again, please inform us where and the names and details of these abundant regular massage parlours where the staff are offering full sex. And this applies to anyone else.

Either put up or shut up. Easy enough to prove me wrong. You only need to give, give, give with the details.

I look forward to your report.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick;1409947]First you state that I rarely visit these places. How do you know where I go and what I do? Then you are mentioning a beerbar, but my post is about massage parlours. Be careful, as some may start thinking that you are a business owner in Chiang Mai and worried about your trade.[/QUOTE]I quote your earlier post which you may have forgotten:

"These days I rarely visit these places anymore. It has all become highly commercial, too fast and too furious for my liking."

And you can forget your ridiculous suggestion that I might own a MP. Difficult to do if living in Eurpoe.