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The Colombian that I have experienced is a dichotomy and a sea of contridictions. The Colombians, without exception, that I know of have tremendous pride in their country and their particular geographic area. Yet, they want to leave in droves. My amiga copied me on an e-mail that she sent to a friend in Argentina. What stuck in my memory was the phrase: "I am happy that you were able to escape from Colombia." Yet, she boasts that Medellin has the most interesting culture, best universities, best people in all of the world.

Why would any of these beautiful young women want to leave Colombia? I assume there are all kinds of motives, especially given their inherent dislike of the yankees. Do we romanticize Colombia when we don't acknowledge Colombia's violent past, its present, and its foreseeable future. What is the hope for most young and beautiful Colombian girls? Find a young and handsome Colombian dude? And what would be his job? I think we call them "criminals".

The present Colombian government has hitched "their" stars to the USA Of A. Colombia's society, at its core, is corrupt, and that is incontrovertible. The USA Will have military in three different bases in Colombia. And those in power will certainly benefit financially. What does that matter here? The university students that I have talked with, with one exception, feel invaded.

The smart ones - the serious university students can enrich anyone's life. Some of them want to come to the U.S. in hope of finally working for the U.N. or other governmental organization or NGO so they can have power to change Colombia. Passion is intoxicating. And, combined with an ass that ought to be insured, it's all good.

Is it of interest to collectively understand how this shared history colors the values, culture and trustworthness of these beautiful creatures?

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.

However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).

Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment? ... Schwmm[/QUOTE]From my experience (I have been both a student and a professor in one of the top 5 US scientific universities), the level of US universities is very uneven.

The top 10 are the best in the world, no contest. Then the level drops dramatically. One can get better and cheaper education in many other places in the world.
Colombia has a long academic tradition. It was the center of the Spanish Empire, with all the administration and civil servants.

Regards. B.B.

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]US primary and secondary education is second rate compared to most countries, both first and third world.

However, when it comes to university level, any US earned degree is worth its weight in gold compared to a degree from any Latin American university (save for those few off-shore or Mexican medical/dental schools).

Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?

It's because it's the best.

Just my observation, Schwmm[/QUOTE]I have been to my novia's niece's elementary school a couple dozen times to pick her up from school and can tell you first hand that you are correct that the grade schools are much,much better than here in the U.S. as my children here in the U.S. are not far removed from grade school. The facilities may be much older but they are neat as a pin and spotless and everything is much more organized and disciplined than here in the U.S.. The most striking thing to me is every kid has a smile on their face when they are in the classroom whereas the kids in the U.S. are half asleep and have pusses on their faces,a bunch of spoiled brats I'm afraid to say.

[QUOTE=Legal Tender]The Colombian that I have experienced is a dichotomy and a sea of contridictions. The Colombians, without exception, that I know of have tremendous pride in their country and their particular geographic area. Yet, they want to leave in droves. My amiga copied me on an e-mail that she sent to a friend in Argentina. What stuck in my memory was the phrase: "I am happy that you were able to escape from Colombia." Yet, she boasts that Medellin has the most interesting culture, best universities, best people in all of the world.

Why would any of these beautiful young women want to leave Colombia? I assume there are all kinds of motives, especially given their inherent dislike of the yankees. Do we romanticize Colombia when we don't acknowledge Colombia's violent past, its present, and its foreseeable future. What is the hope for most young and beautiful Colombian girls? Find a young and handsome Colombian dude? And what would be his job? I think we call them "criminals".

The present Colombian government has hitched "their" stars to the USA Of A. Colombia's society, at its core, is corrupt, and that is incontrovertible. The USA Will have military in three different bases in Colombia. And those in power will certainly benefit financially. What does that matter here? The university students that I have talked with, with one exception, feel invaded.

The smart ones - the serious university students can enrich anyone's life. Some of them want to come to the U.S. in hope of finally working for the U.N. or other governmental organization or NGO so they can have power to change Colombia. Passion is intoxicating. And, combined with an ass that ought to be insured, it's all good.

Is it of interest to collectively understand how this shared history colors the values, culture and trustworthness of these beautiful creatures?[/QUOTE]No one leaves their native land if they're on the top of the heap. Our own Homeland was peopled by those who couldn't cut it in the country in which they were born. Even the Pilgrims: if they were around today they'd all be Mike Huckabee voters. Think about it; people move for a fresh chance or a better opportunity. Hold a winning hand and you stand pat.

I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.

Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?

Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.

After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.

Thanks for the tips.

[QUOTE=Schwmmr]Why do you think the US university system depends so much on foreign enrollment?

It's because it's the best.[/QUOTE]iirc the increase in foreign enrolment at the top US schools started increasing after the UK jacked up their prices for foreign students at their own public schools.

Oxford & Cambridge still have sufficient cachet to hold their against all comers but I believe that the otherwise top notch UK schools may have lost out to their US rivals.

I also, coincidentally, remember a ND professor tell me some years ago that the money most parents spent to send their offspring there was wasted: the reputation was much better than the education. I understand that ND is no Harvard, but its not some nameless state college either.

[QUOTE=Green Machine]I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.

Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?

Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.

After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.

Thanks for the tips.[/QUOTE]Best would be to check the site of the embassy of the country where you would like to go with her. There you can see for which countries they require a Visa or not.

But from experience I can tell you that Colombians need nearly for every country a Visa. Some are easy to get, some are not.

[QUOTE=Green Machine]I would have posted this under the Dating Colombian forum but it's closed. Hope this is the right place to ask.

Came back from Colombia where I met what seems to be a nice, real girl. She's 23 and doesn't have a visa to the US. Understand that I'm not going to try to get her a US visa but I do a bit of travel around the world and was wondering how hard is it for Colombianas to travel?

Over the next few months, I'll be hitting Guatemala, Mexico and Nicaragua. I'd like to ask her to meet me but I don't know where they are restricted from traveling.

After reading the tips on the Dating Colombian forum, I can assuredly say that this girl met none of the criteria listed there. The whole time we were together there was never talk of money, needs, travel to the US or anything that normally sets off my alarms with golddiggers that I've met in other parts of the world.

Thanks for the tips.[/QUOTE]For whatever reasons, many countries require visas for Colombians. (Unlike Brazilians, as someone who travels around the world a bit, you probably knew this.) They can get into Brazil, argentina, Peru and a few others w/o visas. Some countries let them in with entry visas at the border. Go to Panama City with her, have a touristic visit and make the rounds of the Central American embassy Consulates to get visas. If nothing pans out, go to Peru, Argentina. Brazil. I believe that Chile also lets them in w/o a visa. Actually am doing this route myself.

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Mel. Are you in Bogota?

I recently fell for this gorgeous girl here, and am really good friends with her best friend. Her best friend was moving heaven and earth to get us together, but the girl went back with her ex bf, whom her friend can't stand (nobody in her circle can stand him, actually). She wrote her on her Facebook how happy she was that the two of them are back together again.

Same thing, your friend saying I'm glad you finally escaped. It's not from the bottom of the heart, it's just simple politeness. Colombians value politeness almost to a fault at times. You have to take comments like that with a grain of salt, like I said previously.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Colombians value politeness almost to a fault at times. [/QUOTE]You're clearly not brushing up against the hijos de putas that I seem to with seemingly increasing regularity.

Could have something to do with coming here from NYC instead. :P And being in Bogota and not in some provincial city.

Hi,

I'd like to know your opinion between Brazilian and Colombian girls.

What are hotter? What is more expensive for sex?

Thanks

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter]Hi,

I'd like to know your opinion between Brazilian and Colombian girls.

What are hotter? What is more expensive for sex?

Thanks[/QUOTE]My next trip is probably to Brazil. If been doing a lot of research and talking to other mongers..

Here's what they tell me. Brazilians have better bodies but Colombians have better faces. Anywhere near water the women are going to be darker. Medellin Colombia probably has the fairest skin women.

Prices are comparable if you venture into Centro in Brazil (I hear mixed things about the safety). Otherwise the touristy places are more expensive.

One thing that stands out about Brazil is that they have FS bath houses that pamper you.

Those damn Colombian mosquitos are just like their women. They sting the heck out of you and keep biting long after you´re gone!

I'm covered with (all sorts of) bites!