Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=HenryR;1805505]Sorry, I meant one of the rooms at the Kinnaree Club is B 350. I didn't ask what the deal is for taking a girl out. Does anyone know?[/QUOTE]I have a buddy here who owns a bar. He has been here for many years. He took me to Kinarree for my first time about 3 years ago. We spent a few hours there, drinking, buying girls drinks, and mamasan too. On that evening, we asked the 2 girls who were sitting with us to come back with us to his house. We told them his house is only a 2-3 minutes from the club. It was within an hour of closing time and they (the girls) wanted extra baht just for going to his place. In addition to the cost of banging them. We both looked at each other and said no that's too much. Keep in mind, the girls at Kinarree are freelance. They can come and leave as they choose. We told the girls how much we would donate and added that the place is closing soon and we can just meet in 30 minutes when the place closes. They didn't want to do it. Guess they didn't need to the money. Never mind. Move on to walking street and get another one. ;-)

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1805524]....another guy a few months ago told a girl that he would pay the bar fine but he was not going to give her any money. That was cool with her.[/QUOTE]I get the idea that one can negotiate but I really don't get it when someone does not want to pay at all. Picture this. Whatever it is that you do for a living, imagine if the buyer did not want to pay for the work you did, would that be acceptable to you? "You" in this context is a generalized address and not directed at you Mr E.

The poor lass probably agreed hoping to get a decent tip at the end of the job. And I sure hope the bloke paid her a tip. Else I would wish for his nuts to shrivel up and fall off.

I really enjoyed kinarree place. The girls were extremely friendly and service was decent. Ended up going 3 x on my trip and would have been more if I had visited earlier in my trip. I really liked Kund and another girl who has a similar look with blonde hair. Found it a better afternoon option than soi 6.

Most girls arrive around 3 and only work til 7 so time your visits accordingly.

Taxi to and from central festival is 200 baht each way, no negotiation. I would guess you can baht bus to the bottom of the hill and negotiate a cheaper taxi fare.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1805868]I get the idea that one can negotiate but I really don't get it when someone does not want to pay at all. Picture this. Whatever it is that you do for a living, imagine if the buyer did not want to pay for the work you did, would that be acceptable to you?[/QUOTE]My exact thoughts. If you want a free girl then go find a normal chick. If a chick is a Soi 6 bar girl then you obviously know why she is there. Maybe she did it because the guy was taking her out to party. You will be surprised how many Soi 6 girls have never been to Walking Street. So to her it could have been looked upon as a treat.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1805656]I don't think your friends are wrong.[/QUOTE]Could you explain why? Mr Enternational's arguments seemed to make sense. (He says girls start at Soi 6, then move up. My friends said the opposite, that girls end up at Soi 6). By the way, the names of the 2 new Go Go bars on Soi 6 are "Dolls" and "Passions". They are a few doors down from each other. The girls there dance on stage, like at Go Go bars on Walking street. Went to both. A waitress (not a go go dancer) at Dolls dances near the customers, not on stage, and gyrates like crazy. She's good looking too. Most guys are probably dying to do her. But I think she's just a tease.

I was just there, found Poy at viking bar. Very young and farm fresh looking. Cute. 500 BF ,1500 LT. No make up slightly used flip flops. Simple but very innocent looking jumper. Simple cloth bag. From Isan. Went to a few bars had a few drinks. She started at Mistys, so we went and had drinks with her friends there. So much for starting out on soi 6. Poy's service was surprisingly good, especially when considering the fact that we had a lot of drinks before.

It would not surprise me if many who start out on soi 6 end up back there later on.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1806097]Could you explain why? Mr Enternational's arguments seemed to make sense. [/QUOTE]The original argument implied that most girls working in Pattaya start off on soi 6. This is not true. Some do start off there, however, the vast majority of the thousands of girls working in Pattaya did not enter through soi 6.

One thing is true, however, if a girl happens to start off on soi 6 and she is young, slim, pretty, and a not a mother, odds are very good she will move up into a high priced gogo.

That's true, the nice young girls tend not to stick around Soi 6 for long. They trade up to a go-go or other higher-end place, or some of them find sponsors.

But Soi 6 also attracts all kinds of other girls, though usually not for too long. For example it gets quite a few older bargirls who have worked elsewhere but are now a bit past their sell-by date. There are also part-timers who just drop in when they need money. And sometimes you even get girls who have come there from the go-gos. I knew one who used to come into work at Soi 6 a couple times a week whenever she felt like it. She was hot enough that she could easily do three or four sessions by dinner time, make herself a few thousand baht, and go home. She said she preferred that to working nights at the go-go. All part of the wonderful variety of this soi.

[QUOTE=Betong;1806344]For example it gets quite a few older bargirls who have worked elsewhere but are now a bit past their sell-by date. [/QUOTE]I've found much more of these types and mothers working on the soi than previous years.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1773677]Relax. You can find LT pretty much in all the clubs and bars. I don't have a problem finding it and you shouldn't either.[/QUOTE]I have been finding LT at Go Go bars in Pattaya. I heard many, many years ago that few of the go go dancers in Pattaya do LT. I guess that's changed. It's not all that hard now. Actually, Baccarat in Pattaya has a menu of all their prices. It includes LT on the menu. Their price is unusually high, compared to girls at other bars. Last night I paid B3000 LT plus barfine for a girl on a Walking street go go bar. Good to know that LT is available. Prices vary a lot though, depending on the girl and the bar. But it is often available.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1806351]I've found much more of these types and mothers working on the soi than previous years.[/QUOTE]Yup, sweet young pre-kid women are pretty much an endangered species on Soi 6 these days. Ah well, if you spend enough time poking around, you can usually still find something good enough. And at the price, I suppose it's hard to complain.

[QUOTE=HenryR;1806389]I have been finding LT at Go Go bars in Pattaya. I heard many, many years ago that few of the go go dancers in Pattaya do LT. I guess that's changed. It's not all that hard now. Actually, Baccarat in Pattaya has a menu of all their prices. It includes LT on the menu. Their price is unusually high, compared to girls at other bars. Last night I paid B3000 LT plus barfine for a girl on a Walking street go go bar. Good to know that LT is available. Prices vary a lot though, depending on the girl and the bar. But it is often available.[/QUOTE]Everything is available. No exceptions. If the girl doesn't want to go LT, that's a good indication that either she doesn't like the guy (and is only looking get some money) or she ha some other commitment on the side, ie. A boyfriend, baby at home, or some other crap. I would NEVER pay a high barfine for only ST. There is no value is paying an 800 baht or 1000 baht barfine and only get ST. In 4 years I probably paid less than 10 barfines. Only 3 of those were on the high end from a gogo. The rest were just 300 baht from a bar.

One other thing, forget about a 'menu' in a gogo. Each gogo has their prices for barfines, that fine. But the cost for the girl, is between the man and the girl. I don't care what they tell me in the place. I always negotiate with the girl separately. It doesn't matter if she works in a bar or a gogo. Rhetorical question. Why give the gogo 3000 baht for the girl? If you pay the barfine, the girl can leave with you. You can pay her the next day (after the morning or afternoon sex). Plus the girl now has her money to do as she pleases.

Tip. You can find the same girls walking down walking street in the evening hours and you can also find them in the clubs (no barfines). For 3000 baht you can have 2 girls from a club for all night. And 1000 baht barfine fee, that you did not give the gogo, can be used to buy drinks in the club. ;)

[QUOTE=PipeLayer99;1806669]You can find the same girls walking down walking street in the evening hours and you can also find them in the clubs (no barfines). For 3000 baht you can have 2 girls from a club for all night. And 1000 baht barfine fee, that you did not give the gogo, can be used to buy drinks in the club. ;)[/QUOTE]Of course, the catch is that you then have to wait until 2 or 3 AM before they leave their bars or agogo-clubs. By that time I'm already long satisfied and asleep with a cute SYT in my arms. And which girls are available at that hour? Indeed, those who failed to get chosen for LT or girls who did a few ST already. Speaking of "sloppy seconds".

You can get lucky of course and your choice is certainly stilll out there ... somewhere, but I find it tedious to still hunt at that hour and spend my time in noisy disco's.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1806696]Of course, the catch is that you then have to wait until 2 or 3 AM before they leave their clubs. You can get lucky of course and your choice is certainly stilll out there ... somewhere, but I find it tedious to still hunt at that hour and spend my time in noisy disco's.[/QUOTE]Good point, Wolvenvacht. Time is money. So I acknowledge that I usually pay the rack rate for an early (8 to midnight) affair because that is what I want. I never feel like waiting until 3 or 4 or 5 am to satisfy my desires. Forget that! But if I happen to be up and looking around at this time of the night, usually because I just arrived in town or I want another dish after my first ST has gone, then I am real glad there are options at that time in the morning. But I never delay my fun to save 1000 bht. My time is worth more than that.

Now when I was a strapping youth roaming around Central and South America at the age of 22 to 26 with minimal funds at my disposal, I used to have a great time in towns like San Jose, Cartagena, and Bogota. Back then I took a youthful pride in never paying for my poontang. I would go to my favorite bars / Go Go's around 11 pm, have a beer, and arrange to meet a girl later around the corner after closing time. My approach never failed back then and the girls never asked me for money. I think they were a little lonely and wanted to pretend that I was their gringo boyfriend. But as I got older, it took more and more effort to get the hot young ones for free, although I could still nail the older ones gratis with little effort. Ha Ha. At around the same time I started making real money in the USA and I realized it was't worth the effort anymore. That is when I began to pay the girls. Fast forward several decades; I am on the other side of 50 and I now think P4P is better not only because it is so easy and I can afford it, but also because no one is under an illusions and no one can get hurt.

On ST vs LT: I think guys should take whichever option they want, but I prefer ST for the first time that I am with a new girl. Sometimes a girl will ask me which option I want and I tell her "ST is better until we get to know each other" and that is the truth. I know from experience that if everything is good between us, I can ask the girl to stay longer and she will most likely agree to it unless she really has something else to do. I also know that I can always make arrangements to do a LT on our next get together. I can't recall more than 2 or 3 Go Go girls that did not want to do LT with me after our first night together. The benefit to me of selecting ST the first time is that I am never stuck paying for time I do not want in the event that the girl is not what I thought she was going to be and I never have to ask her to leave. To paraphrase Forrest Gump, barfining a girl is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you are going to get until you shag her. Interestingly, I think that some Go Go girls probably think the same way about us and that may be a prime reason they do not want to do LT when they first meet a customer. The moral of the story is: take it slow, treat them right and the good ones will return the favor many times over.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1806720]The moral of the story is: take it slow, treat them right and the good ones will return the favor many times over.[/QUOTE]That's the way to do it!