Cali Reports

Normal colombian boy goes with waiters and other low and poor (mantecas) colombian campesinas for not more than some beers and a travel to the beach or to disco during nite.He never pays 100 dol. for a nite with girls, also cause 100 dol.for him are a week of work.While if u speack about the colombian millionars they use big money but to go with girls of tv and high sohowgirls not of course to go with the turist's treet and beach hookers.

So if they prices of disco, and beach hookers are going up is especially for tourists form europe and usa that become mad for pussy givin'them a lot of money.

Chao.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12]Cream on Top, I'm glad to see that you've mellowed since your days on gringos.com (matrimonial site, not an ISG competitor) and are no longer blaming the gringo alone for all the world's problems. Your points,

a) Did you read what I wrote? I have no argument that there are extranjeros in CARTAGENA paying 5-6 times the going rate in other venues. There are definitely Colombians paying as much or more than tourists in Colombia, and those 9's and 10's on the arms of the Colombianos are not necessarily sponsored women. Some are prepagos or from places like Las Profesionales. Much of this goes on in private though -- the extranjero is more likely to be seen in public (like a restaurant) with a hooker than the typical Colombian monger. Your assumption that I've never ventured out of Cartagena is wrong. I've been to Bogota and Medellin on multiple occasions and once to Barranquilla, admittedly usually not just to monger, but primarily for business and as a conventional tourist. Don't worry, I don't have plans right now to go to Cali, so you don't have to worry about one more ASSHOLE in your favorite city.

B.) You do have a point here. You go to Mexico and "gringo" means estadounidense; they don't differentiate as much in Colombia.
YOU are the one that should take a look at the tourist statistics:

[url]http://www.turismoafondo.com/comunidad/news.asp?id=319[/url]

In the first part of 2007, 17% of tourists to Colombia came from the European Union and 19% from the U.S. Forty-two percent were from South America. I haven't spent as much time mongering in Cartagena as I used to, but when I first started going there were more Italians than estadounidenses. Don't know if that's still the case -- I've been into LDV three times in the last two years. I suspect what you say about Tijuana, Mexico is wrong, but I've never been there. I can say for a fact that you'll spend a lot more for poontang in Mexico City for top flight hookers, $250/hour, than what you'll pay in the border towns close to Texas. Massage parlors in Juarez on the border charge $40 for a session, versus $100 in Guadalajara in the interior. The reason? Just like most places in Colombia (but not Cartagena), IT'S THE LOCALS THAT ARE DRIVING THE PRICE OF PUSSY, not the gringos.[/QUOTE]

No joda!!! I just went onto their site and you are correct.. actually mine came out to $129US R/T + taxes of $143.70 thus $272.00 R/T JFK to Cali all taxes included. That is the cheapest I have ever seen a ticket from anywhere in the mainland US to Colombia on Copa/Avianca/ AA/Delta or Continental.

Thanks for the info.


[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]Copa has just announced some rock bottom prices out of NYC. Less than $300 RT. Booking the flights on [url]www.copaairlines.com[/url] only lets you book into July. However, if you want to pay the paper ticket fee, you can book on Travelocity, Orbitz or Expedia.

[url]http://www.copaair.com/planifiqueviaje/ofertasWeb/default.aspx?ID=13415[/url][/QUOTE]

Below is a report from a 4 day vist to Cali:

Hotel:
Stayed at Cali Plaza. The hotel is owned by an American. A pretty good location, although it can be a little noisy with a bar situated across the street.

Non-Pros:
Go to the mallls and strike up a conversation. My Spanish is probably intermediate, but you will be surprised how much they will help you. Actually, this works to your advantage. ChipChapi is a good mall to meet them. There are others, but I didn't have time to visit.

Food:
Didn't really eat anywhere fancy. Use the cali lists reports for better info.

Strip Club:
Went to club Escoces near the intercontinental hotel. Talent was ok, but I went there early. The guy outside told me to come back around 11pm to see some great looking girls. Never got the chance to go back.

Massage:
Dr Amor. The girls looked good, but can't compare to Loutron in Medellin. But a good deal for about 20 bucks.

Overall:
Cali is not Medellin. But I feel the women are much more approachable here. People seemed very friendly, and I got the sense of a more laid back atmosphere. Overall a good experience. I ran across a very nice cab driver who speaks good english. His name is Nelson, and his phone is 310-503-4944. He gave me a tour about an hour north of Cali. A very pretty area, that actually made my trip. I would highly recommend him as a driver.

Does Cali Plaza have wireless Internet? If so, do they charge? Also, any issues there with chicas? Just curious. I think I may stay there sometime.


Thanks

[QUOTE=Lotto6]Below is a report from a 4 day vist to Cali:

Hotel:
Stayed at Cali Plaza. The hotel is owned by an American. A pretty good location, although it can be a little noisy with a bar situated across the street.

Non-Pros:
Go to the mallls and strike up a conversation. My Spanish is probably intermediate, but you will be surprised how much they will help you. Actually, this works to your advantage. ChipChapi is a good mall to meet them. There are others, but I didn't have time to visit.

Food:
Didn't really eat anywhere fancy. Use the cali lists reports for better info.

Strip Club:
Went to club Escoces near the intercontinental hotel. Talent was ok, but I went there early. The guy outside told me to come back around 11pm to see some great looking girls. Never got the chance to go back.

Massage:
Dr Amor. The girls looked good, but can't compare to Loutron in Medellin. But a good deal for about 20 bucks.

Overall:
Cali is not Medellin. But I feel the women are much more approachable here. People seemed very friendly, and I got the sense of a more laid back atmosphere. Overall a good experience. I ran across a very nice cab driver who speaks good english. His name is Nelson, and his phone is 310-503-4944. He gave me a tour about an hour north of Cali. A very pretty area, that actually made my trip. I would highly recommend him as a driver.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lotto6]Below is a report from a 4 day vist to Cali:

Hotel:
Stayed at Cali Plaza. The hotel is owned by an American. A pretty good location, although it can be a little noisy with a bar situated across the street.

Non-Pros:
Go to the mallls and strike up a conversation. My Spanish is probably intermediate, but you will be surprised how much they will help you. Actually, this works to your advantage. ChipChapi is a good mall to meet them. There are others, but I didn't have time to visit.

Food:
Didn't really eat anywhere fancy. Use the cali lists reports for better info.

Strip Club:
Went to club Escoces near the intercontinental hotel. Talent was ok, but I went there early. The guy outside told me to come back around 11pm to see some great looking girls. Never got the chance to go back.

Massage:
Dr Amor. The girls looked good, but can't compare to Loutron in Medellin. But a good deal for about 20 bucks.

Overall:
Cali is not Medellin. But I feel the women are much more approachable here. People seemed very friendly, and I got the sense of a more laid back atmosphere. Overall a good experience. I ran across a very nice cab driver who speaks good english. His name is Nelson, and his phone is 310-503-4944. He gave me a tour about an hour north of Cali. A very pretty area, that actually made my trip. I would highly recommend him as a driver.[/QUOTE]

I think you´d do even better in malls other than Chipichape, like Unicentro or Palmetto down south but this also kind of depends on what you look like and your "comportamiento".

without having been to MDE, yes the women are very approachable here if you can speak at least some Spanish )enough to carry on a basic conversation at least)

p.s. and it´s "no me jodas"

[QUOTE=Lotto6] I ran across a very nice cab driver who speaks good english. His name is Nelson, and his phone is 310-503-4944. ... I would highly recommend him as a driver.[/QUOTE]If this is the same Nelson, and I believe it is, he works out of an agency, Colombian Women . com or something like that.

Someone recommended Nelson to put an ad in a newspaper and interviewed the girls that showed up. His wife answered the ad calls and scheduled the girls for their interviews on a Saturday from 9 to 5. Cost was $500. I paid him up front, as he was recommended by a friend who had been satisfied.

He had a conceited girl with big fake knockers ride with him to meet me at the airport. Suggested I take the girl and forget about the interviews the next day.

The next day he showed me a camera that my buddy supposedly bought him as a gift. Suggested I show my appreciation too and buy him a gift.

Several of the girls were regulars from a Cali agency, or average looking friends of his wife. Only a couple were hotties and they were not too motivated... had kids, good job in Cali, etc. He made an effort to get the phone numbers of the hotties for himself, though he promised me he was faithful to his wife?

Completed the interviews but did not find any non-pros worth investing my time or money beyond the $500. BTW $500 is alot of money in Colombia, the average Colombian earns $200 a month, more or less.

Maybe some of you other gentlemen have had the same experience with Nelson?

FARC, is making a strong comeback and targeting CALI as their stronghold and base of operations. and Just as I thought things might be improving slightly there. Just spoke to the novia, she is getting a little shaken up about Cali and its turn for the worse and told me its all over (RCN AND CARACOL).


• Region's governor says FARC rebels are initial suspects in Cali car bombing
• One person killed and 34 injured when bomb goes off in front of police barracks
• At least 40 stores and houses damaged in blast in Colombia's third-largest city
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BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- A powerful car bomb exploded Monday in front of police barracks in the southwest city of Cali, Colombia, killing one person and injuring 34, the region's governor said.

Gov. Angelino Garzon told Caracol radio that "the first theory we're going with is that it's the work of the FARC," referring to the country's largest leftist rebel group, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia.

"Although we cannot rule out other illegal groups, whether it's drug traffickers, paramilitaries or common criminals."

The explosion killed a taxi driver who was passing the car when the bomb was detonated. The blast also injured 19 officers in the barracks, and 15 civilians on the street outside. I will regretebably postpone my monthy trip till things calm down a little, Rather be safe than sorry.


At least 40 stores and houses were damaged.

Cali, Colombia's third largest city about 185 miles (300 kilometers) southwest of the capital of Bogota, is the site of a vicious turf war between leftist rebels, far-right paramilitaries and rival drug traffickers.

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/04/09/colombia.bombing.ap/index.html[/url]

[url]http://www.elpais.com.co/paisonline/especiales/policia_atentado/notas/Abril092007/bomba2.html[/url]

hmmm... if you say so.... but I'll stick with 1) no joda or 2) no me jodes as I've always thought the verb was joder. Maybe I am incorrect :-)


p.s. and it´s "no me jodas"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Winner71]hmmm... if you say so.... but I'll stick with 1) no joda or 2) no me jodes as I've always thought the verb was joder. Maybe I am incorrect :-)


p.s. and it´s "no me jodas"[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

I would think instead of "sticking with something" you haven´t learned but just assume, it´d be better to learn, no?


people say what SOUNDS like no joda, but that´s kind of quickening things (Latins sometimes swallow letters and syllables, especially in places like Cuba)

so here´s your lesson. For starters your option 2 is definitely INCORRECT and the first needs explanation.

the verb is indeed joder (basically meaning "to fuck with"), and it´s not a verb used in polite company.

if you want to use the negative imperative, you have to change the conjugation of the verb into what is also the "subjunctive" conjugation. (ergo, jodes becomes jodas, and jode becomes joda). The imperative tense and the negative imperative is most often though not always used with the "tu" form. However, with a verb like joder, it´s almost impossible that it´d be used with the polite usted form

which leaves you with

no me jodas (from the "tu" version),. You will often not "hear" the "s" because many Spanish speakers will swallow s´s at end of words or merely aspirate them (where you hear a slight hiss instead of a full pronounciation) and sometimes they won´t say the "me" part. Examples of this are "mi hijo" which is shortened and pronounced "mijo" y mi hija / mija.

now if you were to use the polite form with usted
no me joda - but like I said, highly unlikely it´d be used with the polite usted form.

so - yes your ear does hear "no joda" between the guys in loose/slang conversation (I have heard it in Cuba and Venezuela this way) and if you want to sound like "one of the guys" feel free to use it, though you might start sounding very stupid trying to sound like one of the guys outside that phrase. As I noted, the amount of swallowing, shortening and aspirating depends on the country you are in (Cuba could be the "worst" and Colombia the "best")

the correct form you should learn and know is no me jodas.

Well that's confusing.. you said option 2 is definitely incorrect and then your last sentence is no me jodes is correct? which is it?

Like I said.. I'll stick with no joda and no me jodes... those are correct Spanish in my opinion. what you wrote no me jodas is not correct Spanish... in my opinion. Maybe I am wrong. I called my gf just now and she said "what city?" She said costenos say "No joda" and cachacos say "no jodas"
I asked ok but if you want to use "me" which is correct... no me jodas o no me jodes? She said, "no me jodas." I asked, "why if the verb is joder."
She asked everyone in her family and they came to the conclusion that it's no me jodes.... but no one uses it. She said.. costenos say "no joda" and cachacos say "no me joda." Thus I orginally said "no joda" then you incorrectly corrected me with "no me jodas." Then I came back with "no me jodes o no joda." The technical correct ways as well as the costeno way. This is kind of dumb, I probably shouldnt have responded... I was just pointing out that you corrected me with the only way that is absolutely incorrect... though when you ask someone they think that way is correct.. though they dont use it. Once they think about it though.. they realize your way is in fact incorrect nor does anyone use it... at least not that I've heard.
[QUOTE=Catire][/QUOTE]

I would think instead of "sticking with something" you haven´t learned but just assume, it´d be better to learn, no?


people say what SOUNDS like no joda, but that´s kind of quickening things (Latins sometimes swallow letters and syllables, especially in places like Cuba)

so here´s your lesson. For starters your option 2 is definitely INCORRECT and the first needs explanation.

the verb is indeed joder (basically meaning "to fuck with"), and it´s not a verb used in polite company.

if you want to use the negative imperative, you have to change the conjugation of the verb into what is also the "subjunctive" conjugation. (ergo, jodes becomes jodas, and jode becomes joda). The imperative tense and the negative imperative is most often though not always used with the "tu" form. However, with a verb like joder, it´s almost impossible that it´d be used with the polite usted form

which leaves you with

no me jodas (from the "tu" version),. You will often not "hear" the "s" because many Spanish speakers will swallow s´s at end of words or merely aspirate them (where you hear a slight hiss instead of a full pronounciation) and sometimes they won´t say the "me" part. Examples of this are "mi hijo" which is shortened and pronounced "mijo" y mi hija / mija.

now if you were to use the polite form with usted
no me joda - but like I said, highly unlikely it´d be used with the polite usted form.

so - yes your ear does hear "no joda" between the guys in loose/slang conversation (I have heard it in Cuba and Venezuela this way) and if you want to sound like "one of the guys" feel free to use it, though you might start sounding very stupid trying to sound like one of the guys outside that phrase. As I noted, the amount of swallowing, shortening and aspirating depends on the country you are in (Cuba could be the "worst" and Colombia the "best")

the correct form you should learn and know is no me jodes.[/QUOTE]

To simplify...
If I'm going to use this verb and I'm trying to get the point across in a way like "I can't believe it".. which is how I used it in the other forum regarding cheap airfares. I will say "no joda"
On the other hand if my gf or someone is severly pissing me off I will say it as "no me jodes mas.

Thus why I said... no joda and no me jodes in response to your trying to correct me. Maybe no me jodas is used in places but I havent heard it, but like I politely said... I could be wrong. But you then came back and said no me jodes is absolutely incorrect and then your last line says the correct way and the way I should learn is "no me jodes." Which is exactly how I corrected you and which is exactly what you said is absolutely incorrect???


[QUOTE=Winner71]Well that's confusing.. you said option 2 is definitely incorrect and then your last sentence is no me jodes is correct? which is it?

Like I said.. I'll stick with no joda and no me jodes... those are correct Spanish in my opinion. what you wrote no me jodas is not correct Spanish... in my opinion. Maybe I am wrong. I called my gf just now and she said "what city?" She said costenos say "No joda" and cachacos say "no jodas"
I asked ok but if you want to use "me" which is correct... no me jodas o no me jodes? She said, "no me jodas." I asked, "why if the verb is joder."
She asked everyone in her family and they came to the conclusion that it's no me jodes.... but no one uses it. She said.. costenos say "no joda" and cachacos say "no me joda." Thus I orginally said "no joda" then you incorrectly corrected me with "no me jodas." Then I came back with "no me jodes o no joda." The technical correct ways as well as the costeno way. This is kind of dumb, I probably shouldnt have responded... I was just pointing out that you corrected me with the only way that is absolutely incorrect... though when you ask someone they think that way is correct.. though they dont use it. Once they think about it though.. they realize your way is in fact incorrect nor does anyone use it... at least not that I've heard.


I would think instead of "sticking with something" you haven´t learned but just assume, it´d be better to learn, no?


people say what SOUNDS like no joda, but that´s kind of quickening things (Latins sometimes swallow letters and syllables, especially in places like Cuba)

so here´s your lesson. For starters your option 2 is definitely INCORRECT and the first needs explanation.

the verb is indeed joder (basically meaning "to fuck with"), and it´s not a verb used in polite company.

if you want to use the negative imperative, you have to change the conjugation of the verb into what is also the "subjunctive" conjugation. (ergo, jodes becomes jodas, and jode becomes joda). The imperative tense and the negative imperative is most often though not always used with the "tu" form. However, with a verb like joder, it´s almost impossible that it´d be used with the polite usted form

which leaves you with

no me jodas (from the "tu" version),. You will often not "hear" the "s" because many Spanish speakers will swallow s´s at end of words or merely aspirate them (where you hear a slight hiss instead of a full pronounciation) and sometimes they won´t say the "me" part. Examples of this are "mi hijo" which is shortened and pronounced "mijo" y mi hija / mija.

now if you were to use the polite form with usted
no me joda - but like I said, highly unlikely it´d be used with the polite usted form.

so - yes your ear does hear "no joda" between the guys in loose/slang conversation (I have heard it in Cuba and Venezuela this way) and if you want to sound like "one of the guys" feel free to use it, though you might start sounding very stupid trying to sound like one of the guys outside that phrase. As I noted, the amount of swallowing, shortening and aspirating depends on the country you are in (Cuba could be the "worst" and Colombia the "best")

the correct form you should learn and know is no me jodes.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

ít´s no me jodas.

you can say what sounds like no joda if you want to sound like one of the guys. (and YES, it is often said that way) Like I said, the problem then comes how you sound compared to "the guys" afterwards.

it is not and will NEVER/EVER be no me jodes. (because it has to conjugated differently in the negative imperative).... and of course that´s why it "shouldn´t" be this way either. For your costena gf to say that means she really didn´t learn grammar in school.

I apologize for the fat finger and hopefully my post besides that last line made clear the proper grammatical background. (as did Ezinho)

I happen to believe it´s almost always better to learn the language correctly, rather than trying to sound like the guy on the street (you can get to that once you are very good or master the correct way). If your Spanish is proper you will often get complimented since a lot of the people, especially of the lower classes one might meet may not be well educated and their Spanish will often not be very good/proper.

of course you are free to disagree with the first sentence of the last paragraph

p.s. the costeños in Colombia speak Spanish that is very similar to the Venezuelan variety, and even use many of the slang terms, so I´m not the slightest bit surprised they all say (and you hear) no joda. I heard what sounded like no joda in Caracas all the time (but since it´s a slang/street expression, they are swallowing the me and not pronouncing the s at the end of the word)

I will ask some locals in Cali tonight/tomorrow for their explanation of why it´s said as "no joda" (I might learn something as well) but I know the proper grammatical way would be no me jodas

Fair enough.. I'd too be interested in hearing what they say specifically regarding no joda o no jodas. You've kind of convinced me that no me jodas better over no me jodes. But why do some say "no joda" and some say "no jodas?" Slang by region?


[QUOTE=Catire]ít´s no me jodas.

you can say what sounds like no joda if you want to sound like one of the guys. (and YES, it is often said that way) Like I said, the problem then comes how you sound compared to "the guys" afterwards.

it is not and will NEVER/EVER be no me jodes. (because it has to conjugated differently in the negative imperative).... and of course that´s why it "shouldn´t" be this way either. For your costena gf to say that means she really didn´t learn grammar in school.

I apologize for the fat finger and hopefully my post besides that last line made clear the proper grammatical background. (as did Ezinho)

I happen to believe it´s almost always better to learn the language correctly, rather than trying to sound like the guy on the street (you can get to that once you are very good or master the correct way). If your Spanish is proper you will often get complimented since a lot of the people, especially of the lower classes one might meet may not be well educated and their Spanish will often not be very good/proper.

of course you are free to disagree with the first sentence of the last paragraph

p.s. the costeños in Colombia speak Spanish that is very similar to the Venezuelan variety, and even use many of the slang terms, so I´m not the slightest bit surprised they all say (and you hear) no joda. I heard what sounded like no joda in Caracas all the time (but since it´s a slang/street expression, they are swallowing the me and not pronouncing the s at the end of the word)

I will ask some locals in Cali tonight/tomorrow for their explanation of why it´s said as "no joda" (I might learn something as well) but I know the proper grammatical way would be no me jodas[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Catire][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Catire].......if you want to use the negative imperative, you have to change the conjugation of the verb into what is also the "subjunctive" conjugation. (ergo, jodes becomes jodas, and jode becomes joda). The imperative tense and the negative imperative is most often though not always used with the "tú" form. However, with a verb like joder, it´s almost impossible that it´d be used with the polite usted form.........[/QUOTE]

Holy shit, Catire. It's not fair to make me reach for grammar books before I've finished my first coffee!!

So if anyone is interested, as learning Spanish is a fundamental to scoring well with Chicas (it even adds value to a financial exchange), this is the Spanish lesson I derived from your post although I had to sit down and digest due to my own limitations. I got it down to;

To express a negative command one uses the present subjunctive (one of the uses of this tense).

The present subjunctive of regular verbs and many irregular verbs is normally formed by taking the present indicative, 1st person singular of the verb and:

for an [b]ar[/b] ending type add: [b] e, es, e; emos, éis, en;[/b]

for an [b]er[/b] or [b]ir[/b] ending type add: [b] a, as, a; amos, áis, an.[/b]

(And remember the usted/ustedes form uses third person)!

Thanks, Catire!! I prefer days when I learn something!!

Right. Finished my coffee. Now got to take a dump.

Suerte!

Polvo

Heatluver,
You're not going to leave me all alone in Cali at the tender mercy of The Farc, are you? Will you at least give me your novia's phone number so that she might comfort me in your absence?

Winner & Catire,
I'm only an intermediate level spanish speaker so I consulted my Living Language "Ultimate Spanish" book for reference. Direct quote: "The negative tu command is the second person singular of the present subjunctive; there are no exceptions". Hence the er verb "joder" as a negative tu command would be "jodas", and you would need the indirect object pronoun "me" placed in between the "no" and the verb yielding "no me jodas" or en ingles "don't fuck with me". I even plugged "no me jodas" into the Prompt Online Translator which though imperfect I've found to be the best of the online translators and it came back with "don't fuck me".
[url]http://www.online-translator.com/text.asp?lang=en[/url]

So I guess that wearing a t-shirt with "FARC SUCKS" on the front and "No Me Jodas" on the back probably isn't such a good idea during my 3 weeks in Cali, huh? Damn! Seriously though, I checked out the El Pais link about the bombing. It had a video clip of the aftermath. Looked more like a scene from Baghdad. Maybe some of those apartments I've been looking at might get even cheaper and make up for the loss of buying power the weakened dollar is causing.

Happy Mongering to All!