Jakarta

[QUOTE=MrMiyaG;2936532]Nice report, but be careful what you write. There is a huge chance those are ISG members LOL. Yikes.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Enjoyed the report but bad comment.

Jakarta really is a place that drains you out, not only arguably the best value punting in Asia but another post mentioned Tinder a few times. Girls are pretty direct, there are quite a lot of freebies to be had.

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I noticed: They have a very large staff. They are very organized. The facilities are very clean. I saw two old white guys walk in. I felt sorry for the girls they chose. Yuck!

[/QUOTE]Hopefully most of us will live to become old white / black / brown / yellow guys some day. You too my friend.

[QUOTE=TrueGent;2936498] When it comes to Hotel Classic or the massage places and the like, is it possible to pay for all the services by card or better yet a mobile wallet app? Minus tips of course being in cash.[/QUOTE]Card. Yes.

Mobile wallet? Maybe. Or maybe not.

This ended up way longer than planned due to minimum characters.

Hi Vendelo, so you had 3 sessions on the first day post landing. And similar number or one less if I can understand from your post. Right is it? I am not even mid 50's and lead a healthy lifestyle and eating habits and look 10 years young but the body does not give me the desired result; my refractory period is long. Daily basis, I cannot sustain it. Mind sharing your age as I do wish to hit at least 2 or 3 next time when I am there. My problem I know is that I need intimacy and not slam bang thank you maam kind of sessions. Am I missing something? I did not go to classic or any other similar kind of places on my 2 trips to this city, spent nearly 20 days in totality. Stuck with only Emporium, Tinder and a few pick ups from bars like Bat's and CJs.

I did go to Sariayu once, spent approximately 2 hours and had my drinks of whiskey there and paid by Credit card. The chick price also I could have paid by card but did not muster enough guts to choose a girl and fuck in their room upstairs. No one bothered and disturbed me as I was simply sitting on the sofa and enjoyed my drinks.

Regards.

[QUOTE=DevSagar;2936656]Hi Vendelo, so you had 3 sessions on the first day post landing. And similar number or one less if I can understand from your post. Right is it? I am not even mid 50's and lead a healthy lifestyle and eating habits and look 10 years young but the body does not give me the desired result; my refractory period is long. Daily basis, I cannot sustain it. Mind sharing your age as I do wish to hit at least 2 or 3 next time when I am there. My problem I know is that I need intimacy and not slam bang thank you maam kind of sessions. Am I missing something? I did not go to classic or any other similar kind of places on my 2 trips to this city, spent nearly 20 days in totality. Stuck with only Emporium, Tinder and a few pick ups from bars like Bat's and CJs.

I did go to Sariayu once, spent approximately 2 hours and had my drinks of whiskey there and paid by Credit card. The chick price also I could have paid by card but did not muster enough guts to choose a girl and fuck in their room upstairs. No one bothered and disturbed me as I was simply sitting on the sofa and enjoyed my drinks.

Regards.[/QUOTE]DS, I will send you a PM.

Update for what it is worth:

Tinder: This is my first time using Tinder. Indo girls will reply unlike Thai girls on TF. BUT! They are unreliable. You will be messaging a girl back and forth for a few minutes and then she disappears for days (as described recently by another poster). Be cautious, I was engaged by two Catfish. The sign: she will ask you right away if you want a massage and provide her WA. Ask her to vchat and I guarantee she will never contact you again.

Bakso: Evidently, bakso is a meatball dish you must try. Five! People have told me to eat Bakso and to visit Bali.

ATM: Previous poster was correct when he wrote ATM max withdrawal in 2,000,000.

Sidewalks: Prev poster was correct. Expect to sprain ankles and get run over.

Hello Honorable Gents.

Thanks for all the advice shared on this forum. I've done my RTFF over 100-200 pages and it helped get me ready for Jakarta touchdown. Even with all the info, there are still some things that creep up. I have a comment and question for those of you who have been posting about your Jakarta mobile app hookups in recent months.

Like some of you, even with all the cheap and accessible girls at the bars and spas in Jakarta, the wham bam thing isn't my first choice. ID prefer go go bars, but theyre not available here and going out of style. I'm old fashioned and would rather chat up girls at wild loud music bars, but those are nearly extinct too. Even though I f'ing hate texting, online meetups are more interesting for me for banging out 2-3 shots over a longer term session.

I've been hooking up with with civvie and PPM girls via mobile apps (Tdr / Wechat / TF) around Asia since they came out around a decade ago. It's bagged me some amazing freebie / WG Asian pussy in varying flavors, but it has not come without its risks, especially for WGs. I've had encounters that I barely squeezed out of: swarms of catfish; girls agreeing to one price upfront then changing the terms & conditions / price back at the room (even when naked); fights over paying before or after the deed; pre- and post-op LB shocks; runners, you name it.

Even as all the great sex has fed the addiction, the frequent bad experiences have really made me paranoid about taking strangers to my room. I now screen pretty heavily, insisting on video call first and then meeting nearby hotel for a 2nd check of the goods, still cautious until we get down to biz.

My comment is that in Jakarta, you get blasted with matches. On tdr, I limited my search to 18-27 yo within 5 miles and got 175 matches in 3 days. Around 25 of those pinged me immediately sending / asking for whatsapp and offering to come to my room. Same with MiChat People Around Me I couldn't even keep up with all of them. One whatsapp girl just flat out told me "I'm coming to your hotel" before I even said anything (I told her no and blocked). As Vendelo mentioned, requesting video calls will make most disappear. For me, once on whatsapp I requested video calls and all but 2 went silent. Of those 2, I had 1 good video call with potential freebie but she was a bit chubby for my taste, and another who just gave me visual but no audio then hung up. I blocked her because I insist on hearing voice in case of LB. (In PH there were LBs trying to fake a high pitched girls voice on the video call, fucking joke.).

Based on all the successful reports from bros doing mobile app mongering in this forum, the risks don't seem to be as high in Jakarta as in places like PH or TH, and even with all the catfish, there seems to be a pretty good balance between risk and return in Jakarta.

My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936679]ATM: Previous poster was correct when he wrote ATM max withdrawal in 2,000,000.[/QUOTE]Was told by my friend who lives there that ATM's at the malls for certain banks usually allow you to take out more money.

Looked at some old bank receipts. In early 2024 I took out 3,000,000 From CIMB Niaga in the Harris Vertu Harmoni mall. In summer, 2024 took out 2,500,000 from BCA at Grand Indonesia mall.

No big deal even if it's 2,000,000 max you can do multiple transactions consecutively to load up like I do.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936516]HSBC across and down from Grand Paragon Mall allowed 3 million withdrawal with US $2. 50 fee and no conversion. [/QUOTE]

Good to know. Thanks. Convenient for those who stay at Santika which seems popular here.

Here is my SOP for meeting FL / Tinder / Bumble / Cupid / Badoo.

1. Find out what is she offering and if she is expecting any money in exchange if so, how much.

2. Do a video call is a must. I used to give out my main WhatsApp number before but ended up finding spammers. Now a days I would open second WhatsApp with local number and only give that one. Also, I prefer telegram over WhatsApp. Easy to manage. Any girl who would not want to show herself full on video and speak, that's a catfish, Simple. If she says, she is shy, well good for you, find a different trade.

3. Definitely meet in a public place such as mall. Excuse is to grab a bite. More options for you to ditch that girl if that's not what you were expecting. Yeah, on occasions some might cause a racket, just walk away. Also, you can bring them to your hotel lobby if you are comfortable with the video chat. I simply never give room number despite they pull the "security" card.

4. I always make an agreement of payment at end of the session with an option of tips if good service is provided. "If you are expecting a payment upon entering the room, please don't come", that's my simple answer. Some might say, I don't have money to book a grab, simple solution is, either you book it for them or pay grab driver once she arrives but do check / ask how much would the fair.

5. Needless to say, keep your valuables in safe and don't have a stack of cash handy for her to pull any stunts. Just enough to pay her and some tips money just to keep her motivated.

Comparison: I find Indo risk factor is definitely lower than PH / TH / Malaysia. I have had many surprises in TH / PH. TH girls are not necessarily a scammer but more tricky with a percentage of being LB. PH are pure scammers with an odd percentage being real. I once told a LB, why impersonate as a woman and turn into a chaos, he / she answered, because they have needs and most cases people would pay just to get rid of them! I guess it works for them. In respect to airtight security, never let your guard down, doesn't matter if you are meeting the same person for 3rd time. Always keep your cellphone with you even if you are going to the washroom.

Often these girls would say, she is hungry and didn't eat anything. Game is to waste more of your time and money. Happened to me many times. My simple answer is, I have some leftovers or cookies or whatever I have and you can eat it. If she complains about the food, well "I am not a restaurant and you can have if you don't have energy to perform". 90% of the time this will solve the problem.

Another scenario is, girl would give you an impression of liking you a lot and would like to stay lover / overnight with you! Solution one, you are feeling sick / exhausted and you want to sleep peacefully and you will meet her again tomorrow. Solution 2, clearly get your expectations and number straightened out before accepting her offer. Now, some may say they really like you and won't need anything! Not saying it never happens but treat it as "too good to be true" and simply quote a number that you are comfortable with and clearly tell her that, you only have that much to give her in the morning as Taxi money. I had a girl insisted of going to ATM / money exchange to give her remaining, I simply told her let's go eat something and once out of my place in a mall, I simply told her to meet on a later time as I'm not feeling well and just walk away.

Hope these helps.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]Hello Honorable Gents.

My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.[/QUOTE]If you truly have been playing the game in Asia as you say, you should know that you always pay after. If the girl asks for money up front worst case she's a total scammer and best case is she's a hardened pro. A true civvy will not mention any kind of money and will not even look at how much you hand her or discretely place in her purse. A decent FL will also accept payment after the deed but will discuss the price upfront. But honestly, why go all the way to Jakarta to just sit and scroll on a phone and hope for the best? The bars and brothels and Spas have thousands of girls you can actually see, talk to, touch and assess before turning over your $30 to go fuck them. You are missing the best of the city but to each their own. I would use Tinder etc strictly for non pros and on site venues for paid fucks. But to each their own I suppose.

I'd say Jakarta is even more like the Wild West than Bangkok but in reality it's pretty fine. You are much more likely to get run over than anything else bad happen to you in all honesty.

There are many Muslim girls who are wanting some fun, as they can only marry Muslim but can date anyone. Which kinda opens up the door for flings. On the downside typically out of every 100 girls I would swipe Left on probably 90% of them, I'm not super fussy but I do like an athletic build and vast majority do not have anything like that shape. But I also got quite a few matches with those that did.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]
My comment is that in Jakarta, you get blasted with matches. On tdr, I limited my search to 18-27 yo within 5 miles and got 175 matches in 3 days. Around 25 of those pinged me immediately sending / asking for whatsapp and offering to come to my room. Same with MiChat People Around Me I couldn't even keep up with all of them. One whatsapp girl just flat out told me "I'm coming to your hotel" before I even said anything (I told her no and blocked). As Vendelo mentioned, requesting video calls will make most disappear. For me, once on whatsapp I requested video calls and all but 2 went silent. Of those 2, I had 1 good video call with potential freebie but she was a bit chubby for my taste, and another who just gave me visual but no audio then hung up. I blocked her because I insist on hearing voice in case of LB. (In PH there were LBs trying to fake a high pitched girls voice on the video call, fucking joke.).
[/QUOTE]Wow, you must be one handsome devil. I didn't count the number of matches I got during my four-five days, but I don't think it was much above 20, which is rather good for ugly me.

Of those I think only 3-4 were p4 p girls, who I did not engage with. Two I met. One at a shopping mall (first time I went away from my hotel area during my stay, so though that was interesting enough), where we walked to a coffee shop and had some cake. Spent an hour together I guess, but she was immune to my charm and did not go back with me. One turned up at my hotel before work, rather ready to bang.

The rest of the matches just fizzled out. One actually messaged me some days ago, one week after I last messaged her. No idea what she's thinking, but I'm thinking I'll just keep those matches on my phone, unless they unmatch me. If I visit Thailand and Jakarta again in December, I'll just message them again like half a year did not pass between my message and their message.

[QUOTE=Volterra;2936746]

My questions:

- Specifically, a big question with pulling mobile FLs and WGs in many countries is when to pay? Business practices vary widely from place to place and can cause major probs. Of course I aint going to send any digital money and will only give tip at the end, but what is standard MO in Jakarta for cash transaction: to pay when she enters the room or when she leaves? I presume all payment is made just as she leaves, but I want to hear it from you fuckers mouths. And for the guys who will want to boast "I never pay up front anywhere", we all know its more complicated than that, so ID appreciate some practical advice here. I don't do much PM so preferably on discussion forum.

- And in general, would you guys who have done Tdr / Bumbl / Michat hookups in Jakarta say that risk level is lower for really bad shit happening than in TH / PH, or do you still need airtight security?

Thanks for advice men.[/QUOTE]I have mongered asia, USA, mexico, ukraine.

Only a few times has the girl asked to be paid upfront. And yes, I paid upfront and was not ripped off.

Its my first time to Jakarta and day 1 was quite amazing.

Landed early at 7. 45, EOAV was quite quick, it took only three minutes to clear it and waited a bit to catch the Crab taxi to the Redtop hotel. Since its early, the room will be ready after 12. I decided to take the massage from the hotel. Went to the 5th floor and picked a girl who is quite tall compared to any local ones. They have converted a few rooms for massage. I waited in the room, she came and straight asked me any services do you want I said except sex. Where I was just landed thought to relax a bit to hold my energy for the evening. After a negotiation agreed 400 k one HJ and one solid BJ. She went outside and come back undressed and huddle for a few minutes, she was asking me to fuck for the same price, but I was not in a mood. After a few minutes HJ done in a standing position I like that. Then right after washed and started sucking my boy for a few minutes with various techniques, almost 10-12 minutes she was tired took a break and started again finally with some techniques she used on my balls and I cum in her mouth. She was shocked and didn't say anything. Paid the counter 350 k. Its bit expensive but I want to cover the time. Came down the room was ready.

I went to Classic hotel around 7 pm. They said only on 2nd floor. There were two girls sitting opposite to each other before entering the room. On the right side the girl put some robe with a number on my hand Then entered, a few old women came to me and try to impress with their girls. One of the women brought two young girls to my table without any questions. I liked both of them from the group. She quoted 500 k for both and its my long wish to spend time with two girls I decided to go with that option. Paid the fees and both of the grils took me to the basement one of the rooms. Angie and Abel (not sure real names) Angie have a baby and Able was 19 years old and has a tight pussy, it took me a few minutes to insert my dick to her. Undressed and one by one showered with me. Then came to the bed try to interact but couldn't be due to communication challenges. Angie was set the plan, First Able (young one) will suck my dick and Angie will suck my nipples to create mood then I fuck Abel and the change the position for the second round. Abel was started sucking my dick (my third time release) after a few minutes she put a condom (I insisted) and the came on top. Her pussy was tight, and it took a lot of challenges and put enough of gel on her and finally somewhat I inserted she was riding on top and other side Angie was sucking my nippes after a few minutes I came in her. Cleaned again and came to the bed and rested for a minute and the second round started with Angie, I decided to give a full BJ with her mouth if she can. She started sucking my balls and then dick, Abel was sucking my nipples and my hands were on Abel's body allover, After a solid 10 minutes she was tired and gave up, I asked Abel to swap and she cleaned my dick with wet tissue and started sucking for a while and went a below than my balls and I decided to fuck her again, put a condom and started doggy for a few minutes and removed the condom and put my dick to Angie's mouth who was watching us fucking, and cum in her mouth giving HJ to myself. Entire session took almost 50 minutes and gave some tips and left the room happily. The I went to counter paid the bills and got a boarding pass (yes boarding pass) to go out.

If you have two right girls and threesome is just magic It happened to me and they were requested to come again today.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2936802]If you truly have been playing the game in Asia as you say, you should know that you always pay after. If the girl asks for money up front worst case she's a total scammer and best case is she's a hardened pro. A true civvy will not mention any kind of money and will not even look at how much you hand her or discretely place in her purse. A decent FL will also accept payment after the deed but will discuss the price upfront. But honestly, why go all the way to Jakarta to just sit and scroll on a phone and hope for the best? The bars and brothels and Spas have thousands of girls you can actually see, talk to, touch and assess before turning over your $30 to go fuck them. You are missing the best of the city but to each their own. I would use Tinder etc strictly for non pros and on site venues for paid fucks. But to each their own I suppose.[/QUOTE]Another reason why a girl may ask for payment first is she may have been ripped off in the past. I've heard / read numerous stories like this.

You sir is a master gambler. I envy your luck. Me on the other hand got ripped of several times on my beginners sexpedition stage that led me to draw a conclusion of not worth the risk despite how small the amount is.

Nonetheless happy for you.

[QUOTE=Vendelo;2936865]I have mongered asia, USA, mexico, ukraine.

Only a few times has the girl asked to be paid upfront. And yes, I paid upfront and was not ripped off.[/QUOTE]