The Profesor burning it up
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3006660]Well, that explains a lot.
Yeah, well you like a strong USA military when you live abroad. Unlike the rest of us who live here, all we care about is the homeland being protected. It was different when the USA was getting 70% of its energy from abroad. Now we are an energy exporter.
Europe and Japan are and were dependent on foreign crude as well. In that world, they were our allies. In this world, they are our business competitors. We pay for their defense and they take money they should be spending for their defense and pay for their social programs. Trump has looked at that and concluded it is a ripoff. Seeing how you live abroad, you have a different value system than those of us who live in the USA. You want the USA military to be protecting you.
What you see as treasonous, I see the other way around. Why are we paying for the defense of our "allies" and the world? It no longer benefits us. We are giving our business competitors a leg up. Spending money on foreigners and not Americans is what I see as treasonous.
That again? Biden allegedly got more black votes than Obama. Harris got 75 million votes in 2024. Biden got 81.2 million in 2020 in the middle of a fucking pandemic and in 2024, this was after Biden opened the door to all these illegals to vote Democrat, tens of millions more. Not defending our borders is an act of treason. Trump got 2 million more votes in 2024 than 2020, so all these alleged Biden voters did not switch sides..[/QUOTE]Yes we pay the Pentagon 1+ trillion per year to protect them Canada Europe Japan et al.
And then they cheat us on trade with a 1+ trillion dollar trade deficit.
That's 2 trillion per year, not to mention everything else, they strong arm US pharmaceutical companies to give them very low prices.
How much is USAIDs budget? At least 50 billion.
Then they call the US a bully and RIP off our IP etc.
Trump says this is bullshit and unacceptable and this fool says hes traitorous, WTF?
Most govt budget calculations are done for the 10 year timeline.
So 1 trillion plus for free policing for them.
1 trillion plus trade deficit, and 50 billion for USAID.
That's $20,500,000,000 free money for them out of our treasury (20.5 trillion).
And with the blood of our young soldiers.
They are freeloaders off our Blood Sweat and Tears.
But that's the leftist way.
Quick History lesson for the chronically uninformed.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3006660]Europe and Japan are and were dependent on foreign crude as well. In that world, they were our allies. In this world, they are our business competitors. We pay for their defense and they take money they should be spending for their defense and pay for their social programs. Trump has looked at that and concluded it is a ripoff. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3006702]Yes we pay the Pentagon 1+ trillion per year to protect them Canada Europe Japan et al.[/QUOTE]After World War II that is how the Dis-United States America wanted it. The Dis-United States of America wrote the constitution for Japan. They put military handcuffs on them. Japan is a warrior nation who is number 2 in knowledge of blue water naval operations.
[B]Now this POTUS want to pivot on that policy[/B] Actually with the Dis-United States of America falling behind in raw naval tonnage at sea it would be wise for the Dis-United States of America to take the handcuffs off of Japan and release the dogs of war. The Japanese would be up and running in NO TIME with fully modern blue water navy that would have the rest of the world with water dripping from their knees if they decided to [I]hard in the mother fucking paint[/I]!
[B]War is Good for business![/B]
I like to travel. So I need a strong passport. The US Military does not factor into my decision to live outside of the Dis-United States of America. If you read the [U]Declaration of Independence[/U] it is about the [I]pursuit of happiness[/I].
[B]It should be noted that I do not live in Thailand[/B]
$20,500,000,000,000 / $20.5 trillion usd
[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3006702]Yes we pay the Pentagon 1+ trillion per year to protect them Canada Europe Japan et al.
And then they cheat us on trade with a 1+ trillion dollar trade deficit.
That's 2 trillion per year, not to mention everything else, they strong arm US pharmaceutical companies to give them very low prices.
How much is USAIDs budget? At least 50 billion.
Then they call the US a bully and RIP off our IP etc.
Trump says this is bullshit and unacceptable and this fool says hes traitorous, WTF?
Most govt budget calculations are done for the 10 year timeline.
So 1 trillion plus for free policing for them..[/QUOTE]$20,500,000,000,000.
Spending money on foreigners and not Americans is what I see as treasonous.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3006660]Well, that explains a lot.
Yeah, well you like a strong USA military when you live abroad. Unlike the rest of us who live here, all we care about is the homeland being protected. It was different when the USA was getting 70% of its energy from abroad. Now we are an energy exporter.
Europe and Japan are and were dependent on foreign crude as well. In that world, they were our allies. In this world, they are our business competitors. We pay for their defense and they take money they should be spending for their defense and pay for their social programs. Trump has looked at that and concluded it is a ripoff. Seeing how you live abroad, you have a different value system than those of us who live in the USA. You want the USA military to be protecting you.[/QUOTE]Very well stated Sir, I am contacting the Nobel committee to nominate you at once.
OMG I agree with something you wrote
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3006621]Dude, I've lived in Bangkok for 25 years. Let me put it this way, the only two things I ever liked about the Republican party was an incredibly strong military able to project power and scare the hell out of every other military and free trade. That's completely gone. But I have to admit did agree with George W on immigration. China? Fantastic for infrastructure but when it comes to personal freedom not a great place.
Enemy? Well I consider what Donald Trump is doing towards our allies to be just about his traitorous as they come. Not to mention pardoning the traders who tried to take over the Capitol building on Jan 6.
And when you talk about the democrats? I'm not a fan of them either. Focusing on identity politics as opposed to left-leaning economic ideals. The Democrats have been every bit as neoliberal as the Republican since the defeat of Dukakis in 88. Want to know what I think we should do? Take a look at FDR's second Bill of Rights speech. That's a good start.[/QUOTE]The Democrats have been every bit as neoliberal as the Republican since the defeat of Dukakis in 88.
Yes indeed Scumbag Bubba tried his damnedest to destroy the USA for a few shekels!! He set in motion many of the issues of major today.
And I would be remiss if I didn't hold Scumbag Ronnie to account as well, with his amnesty of illegals in 86.
Tesla v BYD on the world stage
[B]I swapped my Tesla for a BYD[/B]
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/byd-sealion-7-i-swapped-my-tesla-for-a-byd-2025-5[/URL]
[B]I swapped my gas truck for a BYD Shark[/B]
[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/swapped-gas-truck-for-hybrid-byd-shark-2025-5[/URL]
Patriotism does not pay the rent. Just because I vote with my dollars to buy Chinese made products does not make me a traitor.
Here is an idea. Maybe we should vote with our dollars. When it is time to elect people we simply allow all real people (no corporations) to make a non-deductible contribution to the National Debt. The candidate that gets the most dollars contributed in their behalf wins.
[B]Now, that's an idea![/B]
I have found Elvis's identity
Elvis, though we have every right to be anonymous on this board, I'm afraid I feel behoven to expose your identity. You sir are the Professor of Whataboutery at the Institute of Advanced whataboutery. [URL]www.whatboutery.edu/profElvis[/URL].
And while I acknowledge your academic accomplishments, you are nonetheless logically fallacious in your reasoning because whataboutery doesn't negate counterarguments.
I've actually never denied the substantial issues that China faces, but the bottom line is you're positing that US is doing just fine, and that this batshit president of yours is making all the right calls. None of this bears any resemblance to reality. I'm not going to rehash all the points I have made about the deep structural issues facing America, but you are where you are. I'm not a Democrat and that senile predecessor of your batshit President has without doubt contributed to America's mess (10 trillions worth of debt) but you are where you are. Taxing Americans to buy overseas items and then reducing the tax rates is insanity. It's like me realising my mortgage has gone up and saying to the family, we're going to solve this by buying more expensive stuff and me going off work so we have less income. It makes no sense at all. You don't have to be a credit rating agency, the last of which hadn't but has now downgraded American debt, to realise how dumb this is.
Oh, and as for the onshoring works of fiction- sure, they will talk the talk to appease your tyrannical president- and there may be a little loose change here or there but what you want simply is impossible: [URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdBhyfBr/[/URL].
This is an example of the complexity of the supply chain involved in design some of the world's most complex chips- you have dutch companies designing and building the machines which then make the chips in Taiwan based on Nvidia's designs and which are then built up into final products using China's Foxconn. Each of these steps is incredibly sophisticated and it cannot be replicated. ASML is unassailable, as is TSMC. There's not 10 others who can do what they can do, as tbf is Nvidia. The point is that this is evidential of Ricardian economics. You do what you do best, I do what I do best, and trade works out best for both of us. YOU CANNOT ONSHORE THESE THINGS. Hell, you even makes the MAGA caps overseas (insert rotflmao emoji) and somehow you want me to believe you're going to onshore ASML and TSMC (roll eyes).
This batshit President has made a bad situation worse and things are looking terrible for America now. I'm not going to dignify the following statement with a response: "That assumes 0% return on your savings rate, which it is not, and that makes your analysis meaningless. " but you are too smart to not reflect upon this.
"When you explain to me to property rights, the credit system, the real debt China has, the real estate market, how China restricts trading in foreign currencies, and the demographic decline, get back to me. There is nothing new you are bringing to the table. I heard the same shit about Japan in the early 80's and 90's and have heard the gold bug shit about America's decline for decades as well. Japan was a way more formidable competitor than China ever was, and you have not explained why the projections about Japan taking over the world were wrong. ".
You are wrong- Japan never was as formidable as China is. It just seemed to you at the time, because at the time the west was inexperienced with any other nation outside the west challenging their supremacy. Japan never had the military supremacy that China does- did you hear about the French Rafael's that the Chinese J10's blew out of the sky? India tried concealing the truth but they've admitted it now. The whole world's is looking at the superiority of Chinese weaponary and even America is no longer complacent. Japan made great products but it never rivalled the west to the extent and breadth and nature of these as China does- the proof is in the fact that you need these tariffs to ward off the Chinese. Even Musk said that Tesla would be wiped out if free trade were permitted on Chinese cars.
Let's say just for the sake of argument that you're right about China's upcoming stagnation (even though it's America the one which is stagnating and recessioning). It still won't matter. Do you know why? Because we don't need future projections to show how America's might is receded and China's extended. Because the future is happening in the now. Right now as we speak China continues to extend it's influence on the world stage economically, militarily and through soft power- the latter through the stupid policies of your batshit President who to save a few cents on USAID etc and give them back to the rich through tax cuts has withdrawn from the world stage. The extent of respect that people have for America outside America has diminished tremendously and continues to decline. The extent of respect that the world has for China (or its money and influence) continues to ascend.
Wake up and smell the coffee, my man. If not in 10 -20 years when asked "how did America become eclipsed by China" we will look back and respond with Hemingway's aphorism: " Gradually and then suddenly".
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3004670]Dude, you just blew off the entire Chinese credit issue outside of agreeing with me. You then list all the problems the USA had and blow off all the issues China has. American banks were forced to write down real estate in 2008 and 2009. China HAS NOT DONE THAT WRITE DOWN. You have missed China printed like crazy with Covid and has done so in this recent trade war as well.
That assumes 0% return on your savings rate, which it is not, and that makes your analysis meaningless.
And what about underlying assets and asset appreciation? That is nowhere to be found either. There is no discussion on rule of law and property protection either. What good are savings when the government can take them whenever they want?
These two paragraphs completely blow your argument out of the water, [URL]https://www.hinrichfoundation.com/research/article/us-china/why-china-is-in-a-massive-consumption-slump/[/URL].
In the case of China "property income" for the household sector in 2019 and 2020 was around 4. 5% of GDP, and closer to 3% of GDP on a net basis. In contrast, in the US, this number was about 15% of GDP. This reflects the higher returns on US financial and real assets. It is worth considering here the penchant China's middle class has for sitting on vacant apartments and the amount of household net worth tied up in such vacant property; the low dividend payout ratios for listed Chinese companies; and, perhaps most importantly, the low bank interest rates paid to depositors and the lack of alternative avenues for revenue generation.
In other words, China's high savings suffer from financial repression: capital controls force them to maintain their savings onshore and a state-owned financial intermediation industry pays them a poor return on their savings. This in turn reduces household income and therefore curtails their ability to spend. The Chinese saver has therefore been made by policy to finance huge government-driven investments, which are earning increasingly low returns.
Trump was just accelerating a trend of moving some production away from China to the USA that was happening post-Covid. Your analysis is entirely cost driven and does not account for the reliability of a supply chain. That is why the supply chain is and was moving out of China even before Trump, and it never was all going to the USA.
When you explain to me to property rights, the credit system, the real debt China has, the real estate market, how China restricts trading in foreign currencies, and the demographic decline, get back to me. There is nothing new you are bringing to the table. I heard the same shit about Japan in the early 80's and 90's and have heard the gold bug shit about America's decline for decades as well. Japan was a way more formidable competitor than China ever was, and you have not explained why the projections about Japan taking over the world were wrong. Your opinion does not matter to me because it is not based on facts but a bunch of half-truths. All you do is list all the problems the USA has and ignore all the ones China has.[/QUOTE]
This is how and why you drown the CCP baby in the toilet
[QUOTE=HotDog666;3006844]Elvis, though we have every right to be anonymous on this board, I'm afraid I feel behoven to expose your identity. You sir are the Professor of Whataboutery at the Institute of Advanced whataboutery. [URL]www.whatboutery.edu/profElvis[/URL].
And while I acknowledge your academic accomplishments, you are nonetheless logically fallacious in your reasoning because whataboutery doesn't negate counterarguments.
I've actually never denied the substantial issues that China faces, but the bottom line is you're positing that US is doing just fine, and that this batshit president of yours is making all the right calls. None of this bears any resemblance to reality. I'm not going to rehash all the points I have made about the deep structural issues facing America, but you are where you are. I'm not a Democrat and that senile predecessor of your batshit President has without doubt contributed to America's mess (10 trillions worth of debt) but you are where you are. Taxing Americans to buy overseas items and then reducing the tax rates is insanity. It's like me realising my mortgage has gone up and saying to the family, we're going to solve this by buying more expensive stuff and me going off work so we have less income. It makes no sense at all. You don't have to be a credit rating agency, the last of which hadn't but has now downgraded American debt, to realise how dumb this is.
Oh, and as for the onshoring works of fiction- sure, they will talk the talk to appease your tyrannical president- and there may be a little loose change here or there but what you want simply is impossible: [URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdBhyfBr/[/URL].
This is an example of the complexity of the supply chain involved in design some of the world's most complex chips- you have dutch companies designing and building the machines which then make the chips in Taiwan based on Nvidia's designs and which are then built up into final products using China's Foxconn. Each of these steps is incredibly sophisticated and it cannot be replicated. ASML is unassailable, as is TSMC. There's not 10 others who can do what they can do, as tbf is Nvidia. The point is that this is evidential of Ricardian economics. You do what you do best, I do what I do best, and trade works out best for both of us. YOU CANNOT ONSHORE THESE THINGS. Hell, you even makes the MAGA caps overseas (insert rotflmao emoji) and somehow you want me to believe you're going to onshore ASML and TSMC (roll eyes).
This batshit President has made a bad situation worse and things are looking terrible for America now. I'm not going to dignify the following statement with a response: "That assumes 0% return on your savings rate, which it is not, and that makes your analysis meaningless. " but you are too smart to not reflect upon this.
"When you explain to me to property rights, the credit system, the real debt China has, the real estate market, how China restricts trading in foreign currencies, and the demographic decline, get back to me. There is nothing new you are bringing to the table. I heard the same shit about Japan in the early 80's and 90's and have heard the gold bug shit about America's decline for decades as well. Japan was a way more formidable competitor than China ever was, and you have not explained why the projections about Japan taking over the world were wrong. ".
You are wrong- Japan never was as formidable as China is. It just seemed to you at the time, because at the time the west was inexperienced with any other nation outside the west challenging their supremacy. Japan never had the military supremacy that China does- did you hear about the French Rafael's that the Chinese J10's blew out of the sky? India tried concealing the truth but they've admitted it now. The whole world's is looking at the superiority of Chinese weaponary and even America is no longer complacent. Japan made great products but it never rivalled the west to the extent and breadth and nature of these as China does- the proof is in the fact that you need these tariffs to ward off the Chinese. Even Musk said that Tesla would be wiped out if free trade were permitted on Chinese cars.
Let's say just for the sake of argument that you're right about China's upcoming stagnation (even though it's America the one which is stagnating and recessioning). It still won't matter. Do you know why? Because we don't need future projections to show how America's might is receded and China's extended. Because the future is happening in the now. Right now as we speak China continues to extend it's influence on the world stage economically, militarily and through soft power- the latter through the stupid policies of your batshit President who to save a few cents on USAID etc and give them back to the rich through tax cuts has withdrawn from the world stage. The extent of respect that people have for America outside America has diminished tremendously and continues to decline. The extent of respect that the world has for China (or its money and influence) continues to ascend.
Wake up and smell the coffee, my man. If not in 10 -20 years when asked "how did America become eclipsed by China" we will look back and respond with Hemingway's aphorism: " Gradually and then suddenly".[/QUOTE]They steal at least $600 billion in US IP each fucking year.
They send 300000 students not to study but to steal as much are&the as possible for the CCP.
They are international slave driving, thieves.
Stop buying their slave made products, cut off their IP theft and stolen are&the and they implode overnight!!
Hey Elvis click sum of these links!!
[URL]https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/us-economy-losing-much-600-billion-year-intellectual-property-chinese-espionage-210956[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-64206950[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnmuGikjRoI[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_TrgeW4ozk[/URL]
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-vvLRnrXYM[/URL]
[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2025/05/30/brazil-sues-chinese-ev-giant-byd-on-charges-of-human-trafficking-and-slavery/[/URL]
[URL]https://saisreview.sais.jhu.edu/how-chinas-political-system-discourages-innovation-and-encourages-ip-theft/[/URL]
[URL]https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Egregious-Cases-of-Chinese-Theft-of-American-Intellectual-Property.pdf[/URL]
[URL]https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/investors-lawmakers-call-for-crackdown-on-ip-theft-amid-china-trade-war-intellectual-property-tariffs-retaliatory-kevin-oleary-thom-tillis-investors-markets-hackers-espionage[/URL]
Can fake and feckless MAGA patriotism survive without the FACTS?
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3005993] Ah yes, thanks for quoting SC. I needed my daily dose of medicine from a racist, unpatriotic, unappreciative narcissist. [/QUOTE] [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] Don't you mean your daily dose of racist white supremacy bullshit from your orange Fuhrer?
Or was it, the other fakeass and feckless "patriot", who recently can't post here for shit, any better than a 5th grader, without you literally seeing stars!
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3005993] And the difference between Kill the Boer and kill the white man is hugely significant in his mind. ... That had to change. Ah yes, South Africa is such a great example of why white people should be so compassionate with black people.
Meanwhile, the oppressed SC, ... Ah yes, you are so compassionate with tax payer dollars. Yes, SC, I will sacrifice my tax handouts for you. You go first brother. [/QUOTE] [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i] If only you weren't such a chicken shit and had the [b]balls/guts to respond to SubCmdr's posts,[/b] instead of jerking off to the 5th grader's "starry" posts, you might get the answers you seek.
[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;3005993]Of course, he is your brother in arms. You, SC, and Loony Tooms are cut from the same cloth, a group of parasites wanting more government money for your hookers, ...[/QUOTE] Despite your Paycheck Superhero delusions, Elvis 2008, and since everyone knows you thrive on bullshit and a healthy serving of gish gallop, I ask again...
[b]JUST the FACTS ma'am![/b]
