Monterrey

The border towns, specially Tijuana is like a completly separete universe.

When the whole country was put on hold last April due to the aH1N1 flu, everything closed down, business, food marts, movieplexes, SCs, bars etc, EXCEPT in Tijuana.

Likewise there is a No-Smoking law in place everywhere except TJ.



[QUOTE=Sound7]I saw the new manager smoking in the club and I see few ash tray on the table. Did not see any Chicas smoking inside HK.

Same building code but different enforcement pattern.[/QUOTE]

Hi. Friends. I have been to Monterrey several times and for the life of me cannot find decent food (Taco stands) Can you guys please direct me on good places for food. Also is the Sheraton still girl friendly. I refuse to stay at any Plaza Del Arco due to them telling me "we are not girl friendly". I swear I'am ultra discreet when bringing them back. I am a big fan of taco stands, but everytime I ask a cab driver they take me to awful places. Ghetto nasty. Get sick tacos.

I have been sick twice in Monterrey over an entire ten year period. Once, I believe it was the flu, and once it was quite possibly contaminated ice that was supposedly made from filtered water.

One reason I have been so healthy is that I do not take chances. Eating off the rolling taco stands is risking food poisoning. Just stand and watch their food handling procedures, and you'll know what I mean. I feel the same way about some of the taco places that are inside of building store fronts along Madero Avenue. Now if you're a native of Mexico, you may have a different outcome. But, I know many Mexicanos that will not eat off the rolling taco stands, and they are very, very selective with respect to the store front restaurants as well.

I frequent a lot of the US chain restaurants, plus VIPS, Sandbornes, Pollo Loco, El Prestige for lunch buffet during the week (60 pesos and nude girls), and have never had a problem. But, that does limit your choices, and I too agree with you, that I feel somewhat restricted at times with respect to selection, usually feeling it necessary to travel a ways in order to arrive at a place that I feel comfortable eating.

There are times that my GF will choose to eat at places that make me a little nervous. But, even she seems to be relatively careful. I have never witnessed her purchase a meal from a taco stand, period. She will eat in some of the mall restaurants, and those seem ok...maybe. But, even she is seemingly quite careful, and she is of the working class Mexican society that would frequent the taco stands.

Walk through the flea markets, specifically the one that extends between Pino Suarez and Juarez Avenue, One Block North of Madero. There are several taco stands in there that are packed, and they seem like they're quite popular. But if you stand back and watch the process, the openness of the food containers, etc...it sometimes amazes me that the people aren't dying on the sidewalk. But, none the less, I have to admit, they are packed.

Concerning Plaza Del Arco...I am literally the one that found Plaza Del Arco, and that was probably eight or nine years ago. I had bar fined Cindy #1 from a club that was closed not too long ago, TVO. My waiter, Victor, drove us around El Centro until he found a place that said they would take us.

A lot has changed in 8 or 9 years, and I have not stayed at Plaza Del Arco for probably at least 5 years. But, I suspect it's kind of a don't ask, don't tell kind of thing these days. If you walk in there and ask, they'll tell you no. But, for the most part, you bring a girl back there, you can usually pass by the front desk without any problems.

If you bring girls in there during the day, you run a much higher risk of being denied. But, at night, you're likely to have little or no problem. One hint is to access PDA through the garage rather than through the front lobby. The elevator is located right there off the parking garage, and you're much less conspicuous.

There is also the Plaza Del Arco Express, which is just a couple of blocks East from Pino Suarez on Madero Avenue. Both of them have accepted visitors in the room, but there can always be the exception. And, part of the downside to revealing the existence of PDA via the internet, is just the frequency of abuses that take place when a place develops a degree of infamous notoriety, and guys start to descend on it with little or no regard for the discretion that should be used to preserve the "openness" for future generations. And, that literally, could have resulted in them becoming more restrictive than they've even been in the past I suppose.

That's why we always say that there are not many girl friendly hotels in Monterrey, not decent ones, places where you feel comfortable staying. And, that's also why I say that Monterrey is not a mongering destination. It simply isn't even remotely in the same category with respect to having openness in the hotels.

One thing I always hated about PDA was the street noise. It's deafening. The street noise from buses and traffic on Madero and Pino Suarez will keep you awake until late, late at night. That's what caused me to change hotels five years ago.

One of the best ways to overcome the issue of guests in one's room is to pay for two guests in the room when you check in. It's cheap insurance for any place that restricts your bringing a friend back to your room. I've fallen back on that one a few times in my day, not to mention tipping the night clerk. Going into almost any hotel during the day with a h**ker is risky with respect to being accepted there. Wait until at least after about 10pm, and you'll find much more accepting circumstances.



[QUOTE=Marius 67]Hi. Friends. I have been to Monterrey several times and for the life of me cannot find decent food (Taco stands) Can you guys please direct me on good places for food. Also is the Sheraton still girl friendly. I refuse to stay at any Plaza Del Arco due to them telling me "we are not girl friendly". I swear I'am ultra discreet when bringing them back. I am a big fan of taco stands, but everytime I ask a cab driver they take me to awful places. Ghetto nasty. Get sick tacos.[/QUOTE]

Marius, not even the girls buy food from the taco stands outside the clubs.

Not even me, a local boy, have risked my life eating at a downtown taco stand.

USB is right, go to a decent restaurant or regular fast food gig like McDonald's.

And even then, not even them within the main comercial downtown area.

USB did not mention that the Chilis and the rest of the restaurants that he goes to are on the periphery of the downtown zone, way into the main suburbs of Monterrey, so everything is different: customers, people, quality, etiquet, girls... everything.

And I had noticed that the Plaza del Arco manager, whom I have in my MSN messenger has moved on to another hotel.

With him gone, I see a logical explanation why the PDA is no longer a gril friendly hotel.

That leaves the Sheraton as the one and only in Monterrey.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I have been sick twice in Monterrey over an entire ten year period. Once, I believe it was the flu, and once it was quite possibly contaminated ice that was supposedly made from filtered water.

One reason I have been so healthy is that I do not take chances. Eating off the rolling taco stands is risking food poisoning. Just stand and watch their food handling procedures, and you'll know what I mean. I feel the same way about some of the taco places that are inside of building store fronts along Madero Avenue. Now if you're a native of Mexico, you may have a different outcome. But, I know many Mexicanos that will not eat off the rolling taco stands, and they are very, very selective with respect to the store front restaurants as well.

I frequent a lot of the US chain restaurants, plus VIPS, Sandbornes, Pollo Loco, El Prestige for lunch buffet during the week (60 pesos and nude girls), and have never had a problem. But, that does limit your choices, and I too agree with you, that I feel somewhat restricted at times with respect to selection, usually feeling it necessary to travel a ways in order to arrive at a place that I feel comfortable eating.

There are times that my GF will choose to eat at places that make me a little nervous. But, even she seems to be relatively careful. I have never witnessed her purchase a meal from a taco stand, period. She will eat in some of the mall restaurants, and those seem ok...maybe. But, even she is seemingly quite careful, and she is of the working class Mexican society that would frequent the taco stands.

Walk through the flea markets, specifically the one that extends between Pino Suarez and Juarez Avenue, One Block North of Madero. There are several taco stands in there that are packed, and they seem like they're quite popular. But if you stand back and watch the process, the openness of the food containers, etc...it sometimes amazes me that the people aren't dying on the sidewalk. But, none the less, I have to admit, they are packed.

Concerning Plaza Del Arco...I am literally the one that found Plaza Del Arco, and that was probably eight or nine years ago. I had bar fined Cindy #1 from a club that was closed not too long ago, TVO. My waiter, Victor, drove us around El Centro until he found a place that said they would take us.

A lot has changed in 8 or 9 years, and I have not stayed at Plaza Del Arco for probably at least 5 years. But, I suspect it's kind of a don't ask, don't tell kind of thing these days. If you walk in there and ask, they'll tell you no. But, for the most part, you bring a girl back there, you can usually pass by the front desk without any problems.

If you bring girls in there during the day, you run a much higher risk of being denied. But, at night, you're likely to have little or no problem. One hint is to access PDA through the garage rather than through the front lobby. The elevator is located right there off the parking garage, and you're much less conspicuous.

There is also the Plaza Del Arco Express, which is just a couple of blocks East from Pino Suarez on Madero Avenue. Both of them have accepted visitors in the room, but there can always be the exception. And, part of the downside to revealing the existence of PDA via the internet, is just the frequency of abuses that take place when a place develops a degree of infamous notoriety, and guys start to descend on it with little or no regard for the discretion that should be used to preserve the "openness" for future generations. And, that literally, could have resulted in them becoming more restrictive than they've even been in the past I suppose.

That's why we always say that there are not many girl friendly hotels in Monterrey, not decent ones, places where you feel comfortable staying. And, that's also why I say that Monterrey is not a mongering destination. It simply isn't even remotely in the same category with respect to having openness in the hotels.

One thing I always hated about PDA was the street noise. It's deafening. The street noise from buses and traffic on Madero and Pino Suarez will keep you awake until late, late at night. That's what caused me to change hotels five years ago.

One of the best ways to overcome the issue of guests in one's room is to pay for two guests in the room when you check in. It's cheap insurance for any place that restricts your bringing a friend back to your room. I've fallen back on that one a few times in my day, not to mention tipping the night clerk. Going into almost any hotel during the day with a h**ker is risky with respect to being accepted there. Wait until at least after about 10pm, and you'll find much more accepting circumstances.[/QUOTE]

I have never had a problem eating off of food carts. I used to patronize a seafood cart(these are very popular in Baja and many guys on the TJ forum swear by them) near my rental house in Ensenada four days a week for nine months straight. Shrimp and clam cocktails and ceviche tostadas. The guy had been at the same corner for ten years. I continue to buy whole chicken(twice a week for three years from the same operator), tacos and an occassional hamburger from the stands here in Monterrey. I also used to eat off of a Mexican food truck in Gardena, CA, for five years. What one has to realize is that these food carts have proprietary rights(leases) to their locations(street corner, parking lot, sidewalk, etc.). If they are serving unhealthy food, they risk their business and livelihood just the same as any other stand-alone food establishment. And since these food carts are generally self-owned and operated, one can make a case that some carts are actually safer as they are being completely handled and cared for by the proprietor as opposed to someone making 18 pesos per hour(McDonalds) who has no real vested interest or financial investment in the establishment. From my personal business experience, I was in water purification as a self-operator and I can guarantee you that my business product was superior in quality and care than that of the publically-traded companies as I personally handled and processed everything with no paid employees at the quality control levels.

Are all food carts infallible in their product and delivery?

Probably not.

Are the majority safe for consumption?

Probably so.


PS

FWIW, a food cart next to the now defunct Blanquita does the food delivery service for the girls at the Partenon. Also, the guy who runs the food cart in front of Givenchy's and across the street from the no-tel delivers for the girls at the Tangalay.

Precocious, there is world of diference eating seafood at Ensenada, which is on the Mexican West coast, than eating seafood in Monterrey, which is inland.
You get it fresh at Ensenada, you get it days old in Monterrey and the carts that sell seafood here, just pack them in coolers with some ice.
During the hot months of summer we get tons of people getting sick from gastrointestinal bugs.

Hell, my son got sick from eating fish at the MARCO musuem and supposedly the restaurant is first class.

And yes, totally right. When mentioning the food I forgot about the carts in the Villagran area.

I was only thinking of the clubs in Madero Ave. Places like Casino the girls get their food from the "nana", the keeping lady at Harem and Pasarelas (I must deduce that Chocolate does too) get them from Hamburgesas del Chino, whihc is a well established taco and hamburger food business.



[QUOTE=Precocious One]I have never had a problem eating off of food carts. I used to patronize a seafood cart(these are very popular in Baja and many guys on the TJ forum swear by them) near my rental house in Ensenada four days a week for nine months straight. Shrimp and clam cocktails and ceviche tostadas. The guy had been at the same corner for ten years. I continue to buy whole chicken(twice a week for three years from the same operator), tacos and an occassional hamburger from the stands here in Monterrey. I also used to eat off of a Mexican food truck in Gardena, CA, for five years. What one has to realize is that these food carts have proprietary rights(leases) to their locations(street corner, parking lot, sidewalk, etc.). If they are serving unhealthy food, they risk their business and livelihood just the same as any other stand-alone food establishment. And since these food carts are generally self-owned and operated, one can make a case that some carts are actually safer as they are being completely handled and cared for by the proprietor as opposed to someone making 18 pesos per hour(McDonalds) who has no real vested interest or financial investment in the establishment. From my personal business experience, I was in water purification as a self-operator and I can guarantee you that my business product was superior in quality and care than that of the publically-traded companies as I personally handled and processed everything with no paid employees at the quality control levels.

Are all food carts infallible in their product and delivery?

Probably not.

Are the majority safe for consumption?

Probably so.


PS

FWIW, a food cart next to the now defunct Blanquita does the food delivery service for the girls at the Partenon. Also, the guy who runs the food cart in front of Givenchy's and across the street from the no-tel delivers for the girls at the Tangalay.[/QUOTE]

Every time I am in Monterrey I eat at a stand across the street from the Bus Station. He serves Tacos el vapor. Also, by the 7-eleven by the bus station I have eaten sopas from a lady that has a stand and also another stand that sells tacos. I have never been sick. This is not to say that it won't happen and it probably will. I won't recommend you try them but they do taste different than what you get in the restaurants. Might just be the fumes from the street though.

None of the open air food carts in Monterrey that I've seen would pass a Health Department Inspection for food cleanliness. The food is exposed to open air, uncovered, where all kinds of insects can land on the food. The food and utensils are left exposed, unrefrigerated, and susceptible to spoilage and germs.

These carts would never, ever pass a food service inspection by a civilized health department, not to mention the questionable hygiene practices of the preparers themselves.

Now, I am not saying that you guys haven't had some good meals on isolated occasions from these food vendors. And, granted, the smells coming from those carts are heavenly. Many times I've wanted to partake. They smell, and would probably taste absolutely magnificent.

But, really, just stand back first, watch the food handling practices and the hygiene levels of the preparers for five to ten minutes, and you can reach your own conclusions about the food safety.

And, granted, their businesses depend on repeat customers. But, you also have to consider the stomachs of their average patron, and the difference between a Gringo stomach, one that is not used to a lack of cleanliness on a regular basis.

Some Mexicanos are more tolerant than I would be. I am under no illusions, therefore, that my stomach is potentially much more susceptible to gastronomic problems from a lack of cleanliness due my ethnicity, my being a Gringo.

So, I just choose not to risk it. But, if I find a cart that looks clean, and one that I would have no concerns about exposing my Gringo stomach to probably six weeks of gastronomic problems following a meal there, then I'll let you know.

Frankly, to go even further, point one out that I can watch for ten minutes and still feel completely safe with my Gringo Stomach. I vow to visit it, and conduct a thorough review of my observations, which I will post here for all to consider.

I doubt seriously if such a food cart exists in Monterrey. But, it is a valuable subject to explore, one that doesn't risk my fun on the ground by disclosing anything about my specific girls, or clubs of choice, or hotel selections, etc...

So, hey, I'm "IN" as an official food critic on ISG. Frankly, I hope someone can recommend one or more places because I would love to add to my options.

I promise to assess them without bias. But, I will be applying proper food handling practices in each of my assessments of them.

No smoking law has caught up with TJ as well. But not the clubs.

Hey perverts.

Yep, still alive and, I think, kicking. I am now a resident of TJ as some of you already know. Married to that Reynosa/Monterrey kid I snagged out of the clubs in TJ. It has been almost a year since I met her and I tell you, I now know what it feels like to be a Mexican husband. "Mi amor" is usually followed by "Quiero ....."

The good side of it all is that she barely started working there when I first met her. I caught her early enough. I want to justify hooking up with a club girl but I really can't. I would, and would not, advise others to do the same. One of my very good friends fell in love with a knock out 18 y/o girl at Hong Kong and started thinking of doing the same. I warned him the process is painful.

If I tell Amigo Mio of what i have done at the clubs, he would probably denounce me. We go clubbing once in a while. Some dude blocked her way trying to talk to her. I was out of my seat and at the other end of the club in a heartbeat. I grabbed the guy by the shoulder, pushed him out of the way and yanked her. I did not even see what the dude looked like but he knew I meant “get the fuck out my way you asshole". Of course she cried and made a scene. I made a bigger seen for the entire club to see when I yelled at her to set the fuck down and shut the hell up.

We have our own little house (love nest) and are currently looking to move into a bigger house. We are buying a car .... etc, etc.

But the good side of it all is .... She is going to school. Studying English and taking 3 computer courses. Getting her driver's license and passport. She is finally in good terms with her family. They all lover her dearly and she is shocked when her brothers call her up to wish her a happy birthday .... 1st time ever. Her relatives are in constant touch with her ... suddenly. She cooks for me ... and OMG ... she is an awesome chef. So good that I take pictures of every dish she makes.

What is really amazing is this ..... she has suddenly woken up to the world. She has been asleep and just found out there is a whole different world out there. She is experiencing life from a different angle. She is shocked daily. She is amazed that people actually listen to her and respect her and call her senorita. She is falling in love with herself ... really ... noticing the changes in her personality and looks. She previously wondered why men flirted with her and now they simply say "Good day". Her doctor asked her if she has done something to her face. She looks very happy. She continuously thanks me for opening her eyes and for yanking her out of the "Basora".

When I used to ask her “how could you do this?” She would smile as if I was crazy. Now …. She slaps herself and asks how she could have been so stupid. She has not set foot at her club in over 3 months .. Ever since we visited Monterrey together.

She is making friends with non-working girls. We go out with married couples to fancy restaurants where she is served like a queen. She first gets upset that she does not want to go in. but once in, she loves this new world of family style restaurants.

She loves life and wants to become a .... doctor ...

Watching her change, watching her react, watching her understand, watching her dream, watching her learn is my reward.

Watching her want to vomit when she talks to her old roommates putas is my confirmation. Which I now forbid her to do.

The sad part of it all is …… I found happiness in a ‘you know what’.

El Cabron






[QUOTE=Amigomio]The border towns, specially Tijuana is like a completly separete universe.

When the whole country was put on hold last April due to the aH1N1 flu, everything closed down, business, food marts, movieplexes, SCs, bars etc, EXCEPT in Tijuana.

Likewise there is a No-Smoking law in place everywhere except TJ.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the rewards are huge, and the process is sometimes painful. But, you get to see them blossom, which is a reward that's very hard to put into words. It is kind of like watching kids grow up all over again.

The rewards are so much deeper than what's typically experienced from just a mongering objective. Nothing wrong with that because it's certainly easier to simply monger and forget them. Because, to take it further with one of them certainly does promise a painful journey. It's a LOT of work turning them into girlfriends.

The most difficult part is turning them from their corrupted ways, changing them just enough so that the things you love about them are not lost in the metamorphosis, while simultaneously preserving the corrupt side of them making them "angels en la calle y diablas en la cama." :-)))

You found happiness in a "you know what," but the "you know whats" already seem to at least have half the equation, and seem more enlightened about what we want than many "good girls." The quest toward our ultimate satisfaction seems easier accomplished with a "you know what" than with most good girls, who are virtually clueless, nor do most of them care, with respect to what we really want.

Remember that Eagles Song lyric from "One of These Nights"...Sooooo true!

Look at the link, 1:29 to 1:40...

The story of countless lives, and the quintessential male fantasy, verdad? :-)

As dictator of the World, I decree that all females would be brainwashed with the lyrics of this song, playing it daily from the age of 2, and they WILL grow up knowing their focus in life... :-)

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bL91pazq4&feature=related[/url]

"I've been searching for the daughter of the devil himself,
I've been searching for an angel in white,
I've been waiting for a woman who's a little Of both,
and I can feel her but she's nowhere In sight..."




[QUOTE=El Cabron 007]No smoking law has caught up with TJ as well. But not the clubs.

Hey perverts.

Yep, still alive and, I think, kicking. I am now a resident of TJ as some of you already know. Married to that Reynosa/Monterrey kid I snagged out of the clubs in TJ. It has been almost a year since I met her and I tell you, I now know what it feels like to be a Mexican husband. "Mi amor" is usually followed by "Quiero ....."

The good side of it all is that she barely started working there when I first met her. I caught her early enough. I want to justify hooking up with a club girl but I really can't. I would, and would not, advise others to do the same. One of my very good friends fell in love with a knock out 18 y/o girl at Hong Kong and started thinking of doing the same. I warned him the process is painful.

If I tell Amigo Mio of what i have done at the clubs, he would probably denounce me. We go clubbing once in a while. Some dude blocked her way trying to talk to her. I was out of my seat and at the other end of the club in a heartbeat. I grabbed the guy by the shoulder, pushed him out of the way and yanked her. I did not even see what the dude looked like but he knew I meant “get the fuck out my way you asshole". Of course she cried and made a scene. I made a bigger seen for the entire club to see when I yelled at her to set the fuck down and shut the hell up.

We have our own little house (love nest) and are currently looking to move into a bigger house. We are buying a car .... etc, etc.

But the good side of it all is .... She is going to school. Studying English and taking 3 computer courses. Getting her driver's license and passport. She is finally in good terms with her family. They all lover her dearly and she is shocked when her brothers call her up to wish her a happy birthday .... 1st time ever. Her relatives are in constant touch with her ... suddenly. She cooks for me ... and OMG ... she is an awesome chef. So good that I take pictures of every dish she makes.

What is really amazing is this ..... she has suddenly woken up to the world. She has been asleep and just found out there is a whole different world out there. She is experiencing life from a different angle. She is shocked daily. She is amazed that people actually listen to her and respect her and call her senorita. She is falling in love with herself ... really ... noticing the changes in her personality and looks. She previously wondered why men flirted with her and now they simply say "Good day". Her doctor asked her if she has done something to her face. She looks very happy. She continuously thanks me for opening her eyes and for yanking her out of the "Basora".

When I used to ask her “how could you do this?” She would smile as if I was crazy. Now …. She slaps herself and asks how she could have been so stupid. She has not set foot at her club in over 3 months .. Ever since we visited Monterrey together.

She is making friends with non-working girls. We go out with married couples to fancy restaurants where she is served like a queen. She first gets upset that she does not want to go in. but once in, she loves this new world of family style restaurants.

She loves life and wants to become a .... doctor ...

Watching her change, watching her react, watching her understand, watching her dream, watching her learn is my reward.

Watching her want to vomit when she talks to her old roommates putas is my confirmation. Which I now forbid her to do.

The sad part of it all is …… I found happiness in a ‘you know what’.

El Cabron[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=El Cabron 007]No smoking law has caught up with TJ as well. But not the clubs.

Hey perverts.

Yep, still alive and, I think, kicking. I am now a resident of TJ as some of you already know. Married to that Reynosa/Monterrey kid I snagged out of the clubs in TJ. It has been almost a year since I met her and I tell you, I now know what it feels like to be a Mexican husband. "Mi amor" is usually followed by "Quiero ....."

The good side of it all is that she barely started working there when I first met her. I caught her early enough. I want to justify hooking up with a club girl but I really can't. I would, and would not, advise others to do the same. One of my very good friends fell in love with a knock out 18 y/o girl at Hong Kong and started thinking of doing the same. I warned him the process is painful.

If I tell Amigo Mio of what i have done at the clubs, he would probably denounce me. We go clubbing once in a while. Some dude blocked her way trying to talk to her. I was out of my seat and at the other end of the club in a heartbeat. I grabbed the guy by the shoulder, pushed him out of the way and yanked her. I did not even see what the dude looked like but he knew I meant “get the fuck out my way you asshole". Of course she cried and made a scene. I made a bigger seen for the entire club to see when I yelled at her to set the fuck down and shut the hell up.

We have our own little house (love nest) and are currently looking to move into a bigger house. We are buying a car .... etc, etc.

But the good side of it all is .... She is going to school. Studying English and taking 3 computer courses. Getting her driver's license and passport. She is finally in good terms with her family. They all lover her dearly and she is shocked when her brothers call her up to wish her a happy birthday .... 1st time ever. Her relatives are in constant touch with her ... suddenly. She cooks for me ... and OMG ... she is an awesome chef. So good that I take pictures of every dish she makes.

What is really amazing is this ..... she has suddenly woken up to the world. She has been asleep and just found out there is a whole different world out there. She is experiencing life from a different angle. She is shocked daily. She is amazed that people actually listen to her and respect her and call her senorita. She is falling in love with herself ... really ... noticing the changes in her personality and looks. She previously wondered why men flirted with her and now they simply say "Good day". Her doctor asked her if she has done something to her face. She looks very happy. She continuously thanks me for opening her eyes and for yanking her out of the "Basora".

When I used to ask her “how could you do this?” She would smile as if I was crazy. Now …. She slaps herself and asks how she could have been so stupid. She has not set foot at her club in over 3 months .. Ever since we visited Monterrey together.

She is making friends with non-working girls. We go out with married couples to fancy restaurants where she is served like a queen. She first gets upset that she does not want to go in. but once in, she loves this new world of family style restaurants.

She loves life and wants to become a .... doctor ...

Watching her change, watching her react, watching her understand, watching her dream, watching her learn is my reward.

Watching her want to vomit when she talks to her old roommates putas is my confirmation. Which I now forbid her to do.

The sad part of it all is …… I found happiness in a ‘you know what’.

El Cabron[/QUOTE]


Hey El Cabron 007,

I was about to say felicitaciones but "you know what" I mean. For whatever it's worth, if any of us old geezers was going to pull it off with one of these girls, my money would have been on you.

I am currently seeing a 25-year-old, non-pro student(I have her on a monthly salary so I guess she's technically a pro)for about two months now but continually tell her that there is no chance of a long-term relationship because of our age difference(17 years). And even having learned about your success story I still don't think that there is a future, nor do I want one.

I guess I'm old fashioned.

Good luck.

Don't feel bad...they're all on salary one way or another, wives, girlfriends, h**kers, the later being the cheaper investment by far. But, with investment comes increased responsibility on their part, and ROI for us. Little or no ROI, little or no investment.

When she says "Mi Amor...Quiero..." it's just a sign that he's got her hooked.

Short story...that's all they want, SECURITY. Once they have it, if they're smart, they'll make us happy. If we're the best thing that ever happened to them, and they stiff us on ROI, especially after all our emotional and financial investment, then they don't deserve us anyway.

The age issue goes away pretty quickly once you have your hooks into them. It's not really an issue, not like it is for us. You can make it work if you want to, or not, whatever your preference. But, they'll hold on if they're treated well, and they know you really do care about them. The age issue really has little to do with it. They're a little sensitive to it in public, but I learned a long time ago that their public persona is all an act to conform to society's acceptance of the feminazi imposed age restriction thing. Back in the room, they reveal the way they really feel without any preconceived manipulative provocation aimed at scamming us. After so long a time, you can read them like a book. You know when they're for real.

LOL...

El Cabron an "old geezer"???

He was the kid in the gang.






[QUOTE=Precocious One]Hey El Cabron 007,

I was about to say felicitaciones but "you know what" I mean. For whatever it's worth, if any of us old geezers was going to pull it off with one of these girls, my money would have been on you.

I am currently seeing a 25-year-old, non-pro student(I have her on a monthly salary so I guess she's technically a pro)for about two months now but continually tell her that there is no chance of a long-term relationship because of our age difference(17 years). And even having learned about your success story I still don't think that there is a future, nor do I want one.

I guess I'm old fashioned.

Good luck.[/QUOTE]

Ain't old ... let's just say we age well.

Mr. Q had me figured out. He had the right bet. I really wanted this one girl and I believe I have found her. So far, she IS what I am looking for. I too have my bet on you Mr. Q.

And Bob .... oh Bob. You are probably the one that understand but you are far off, yet so very close.

My only pain is ... and this comes as a result of hooking up with a working girl, is that I hate .. I HATE ... her past life. I forbid her of speaking of her past. I hate her past. it drives me nuts. She is a great girl and was laughed at by her friends and called her a "Nun" until she was dragged by one of her puta friends into this basora life. To tell you the truth, I do not know how to put this behind me. I play tricks on my mind and tell myself "those guys had a chance and let her go. How could you let someone like her go?" and now she is mine. All mine.

and the story continues...

I"m afraid that I am a bet you are probably going to lose, Cabron.

After maintaining a fairly monogomous relationship for ten weeks or so, I fuc_ed two new girls yesterday and I am going to fu_k me another today.

I thought I had this thing beat.

Apparantly, I was wrong.