London

Maybe bsm23's item 6 refers to his own age? If so, they do not care at all. Solvency is the only criterion, and you will doubtless be paying up front, so that's taken care of.

[QUOTE=Bsm23]23 years old and I intend to lose my cherry to a escort, I will spend around 4 days in Central London next month to try out a couple of outcall elite/expensive agency escorts and some from AdultWork[/quote]
London escorts will tend to charge more for less, compared to those in other parts of the country. If you plan to do more than one then at least you spread the odds.

[quote]1) If I intend to spend time with an escort each night, do I need to book single double-bed room for two adults or one on hotel website?
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You are best booking a double room for two adults if you can afford it if she is staying all night and maybe for breakfast. Some hotels now do charge by the room however, in which case it makes no difference.

[quote]2) What hotels should I avoid in London or best to go with? I intend to stay at one of the Hiltons or a high-end one.[/quote]
Pick one that you think you will like!

[quote]3) Does the escort simply show up at my hotel room or do I have to go downstairs? I would prefer to avoid meet in bar or outside in cold or worse get a call to my room saying someone is waiting for me downstairs in reception, and the staff notice a different woman every night. Are people usually allowed inside hotel who don't have a room?[/quote]
Most escorts will come straight to your room. Big hotels don't know all their guests and escorts are used to walking straight past reception. In case you are asked (by the girl or the agency over the phone), make sure you know where the lifts are from the entrance so you can give advance directions over the phone. Put yourself in her shoes. She will want to walk in confidently and go straight to the elevator. If this is important to you - and why not - I quite like a girl to come straight to my room too - then you can double-check over the phone that this is what she will do. Most will.

[quote]4) When do I get the mobile number of the escort? Or does she call me after I book?
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Depends on the agency

[quote]5) Can I ask what the escort does over the phone with the agency if they don't list them on their website? If they're not willing to say over the phone, can they give me the escort's number for me to ask? At £250/hour for a few hours I wouldn't want to be entertained with some smalltalk and a BJ to finish
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London escorts are not usually quite that bad. NY maybe, but London is still civilised. If you want something other than just sex and oral with condoms (for both), yes, it's maybe a good idea to ask. Even things like french kissing and 'girlfriend experience' are sometimes worth checking. Most good escorts want an idea of what you are looking for anyway. Should she act shy or slutty? Do you like any particular sort/colour of underewear? That sort of thing.

And although you are paying her to fulful your requests, you will usually get more out of it if you romance her and try to make her enjoy it too. Offer her something to drink when she arrives (she might not want anything, but still appreciatre the offer). A small gift is a good idea - eg some posh chocolates. In other words, treat it like a hot date where everything will happen.

If you are on the phone and pressed and don't feel comfortable, just make an excuse - have one ready - and change your mind - say you'll get back to them, your phone battery is dying or your friend's at the door, whatever. Only go ahead if everything seems fine on the phone.
[quote]6) Does age matter? I guess most would want to avoid anyone below 28 because of immature idiots? If you're a professional 23 year old, can you lie and say you're 28? Or does the agency/escort not even ask/care?[/QUOTE]
You're the buyer. Some agencies will have a minimum age - eg 21 - for clients. Just legal stuff really. Apart from that just think what age of escort you might like. One or two independents have a picky preference for a certain age range, just based on their personal taste, but not many.

Have a great time. Relax. Enjoy yourself!




ps Although it sounds a bigger deal than it is, you could always consider a Lady Marmalade party. That's getting in the fast lane kinda quickly, but they are expert at looking after everyone in every possible way. Emma (Lady M) and her partner are really nice - you could even explain your concerns to her/him in advance and I am pretty sure that they will tactfully ensure everything goes amazingly for you. Probably among the most reliable things in London just now.

[QUOTE=Rob London]She is definetly 20 Your highness! I've known her for 2 years. She does look older in these pics though.[/QUOTE]
One is not amused by those photos ;-)

First, thanks Wild Child 1 & Christopherd for the great advice and answers.

1 more question: As I am self-employed and work where-ever I have my laptop and an Internet connection, is there any time of year, time of week or time of day that escorts have the least work/clients that I could maybe take advantage of? Surely weekends will be the most busy for escorts? However I understand from reading their profiles that some escorts are 'students' and/or not full-time escorts with day jobs.

[QUOTE=Christopherd]London escorts will tend to charge more for less, compared to those in other parts of the country. If you plan to do more than one then at least you spread the odds.[/quote]

London seems to have the most agencies with most prettiest escorts (probably heavily photoshopped and 10 year old pics), some fake pics of escorts I know from reading and experience, I own a company providing hosting to adult subscriptions websites and can tell some of the escort pics have been ripped from sites that are hosted on my clients servers without any approval. I'll be checking *********.com for reviews, though I find it hard with the amount of times the escorts change agencies.

[quote=Wild Child 1]Why London, I could give you 10 other cities where you'd have the time of your life[/quote]Please let me know of any cities (in the UK), agencies or independents that you'd recommend, I'd appreciate it. My premium subscription seems to have expired this month and I just renewed it (will take 24hours to update status), just incase you want to send me a PM. I live in Lancashire and will be using Preston railway station (I hate public transport), so easy railway access and minimum amount of train changes is important (in fact I intend to pick London just because Virgin Trains have direct Preston to London hourly train and picking Hilton Euston just because it's across the street from Euston railway station :) Maybe as I become an experienced punter, I'll be more travel savvy/experienced.

[quote=Wild Child 1]2, Don't go for a boutique hotel, although I have never had problems there, Hiltons should be fine, but I'd hardly call em top end in London, what's your budget per night, The main chains which are busy don't even notice their guests, never mind visitors, I hear the Landmark in Marylebone rocks.[/quote]

Yea, small hotels I intend to avoid, I've been using laterooms.com feature where it says the amount of rooms the hotel has under 'Hotel facilities' and/or the hotel's website.

[quote=Wild Child 1]and do NOT expect the world to move after this experience, you are about to enter the world of guys like us, who 12 years later with GFs still can NOT resist the urge.[/quote]

It will be my first punt and hope for it to go smoothly without any major surprises :) I actually intend for punting to be permanent thing for me, I'm not interested in normal dating/marriage as I run a successful e-commerce company with my business partner with a great income to afford an average home without a mortgage and not be worried about personal expenditure, my business partner however spends way too much on his partners, he is too naive and mistakes their attachment to him as love, not that they are golddiggers interested in his money. Using escorts will probably be a cheaper alternative :) I also prefer to be alone the vast majority of time and hate commitment.

This time next year, I hope to be punting worldwide as I've been intending to relocate to Costa Rica for a while now to take advantage of their friendly taxation and online gambling laws.

Wow big post :o

[QUOTE=Wild Child 1] and a drink in the bar never hurts to calm the nerves of both parties.[/QUOTE]Since I don't drink alcohol/wine (not because of religious reasons - I'm athiest, but due to my father who is a GP constantly warning me about the dangers of alcohol when I was teenager) so I'm not into getting a glass of water or juice at the bar :) What tips can you provide or usual topics to chitchat between us about to get us both relaxed?

Hi BSM23

Hope your punting goes well. There's no surefire answer IMHO to a lot ofg theswe concerns - it can come down to luck and intuition.

What to say - as you'd make conversation generally. Ask her if she found the place ok, did she get a taxi ok, that sort of thing. A simple trick I often use - look at the person to find something you particularly like - a scarf, their shoes, the way they have their hair done - compliment her then follow up with a question. Where did she get it, choose it etc. But depending on how experienced the escort is they may do a lot of the work here for you by initiating what little conversation you need. The mistake most guys make trying to chat to a woman is thinking with their dick. Which means they run out of words and sound like they're . . . talking with their dick. I always try to switch off for a moment (ie not think about sex etc) just to relate to someone as a person.

Places in Britain - I'd probably say almost anywhere except London, although I've had one or two goood escort experiences there too. The North East has quite a good concentration - just glance through AdultWork.

Best times and days - too individual. I'd say a majority stop working after midnight. Not often you see special offers on, although it does happen.

I've had a best mate who used to escort and have also dated one, so used to hear a lot of 'de-brief' stories of punters afterwards. 'Busy' times used to be largely unpredictable. I think you are maybe at a diminishing returns point on advice - you need to maybe just jump in there and get a few tastes and then build on that experience probably.

I paid a visit this week to the Mayfair Massage in Shepperd Market (also advertised as Westminster Massage) and had the greatest massage ever. Rosa, who's actually the clinic manager, took care of myself during a 45 minutes treatment. She started to talk about relaxation, points of energy, exotic rituals, tradition and erotism. I thought it was bullshit and I was just hoping she would start work with her hands quickly. Boys, I was wrong!

Tantric body-to-body massage started to make effect taking me to a different level of pleasure I did not think it was possible.

As Rosa said you can find someone who opens her legs at every next door, the experience you have with tantra massage is unique. A bit expensive but worth a try.

Xanaldu

Hi BSM23,

Most of the points I would have mentioned have already been covered by Christopherd and Wild Child 1.

I have had experience with escorts in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Dublin, within the British Isles. I would personaly avoid London for the first time. Manchester, the North East and Scotland (Glasgow, but particularly Edinburgh) would be my choice and suggestion.

I am not sure what your budget is for the hotel and the escort(s) but your pounds will certainly stretch futher outside London and the South East.

Happy Hunting

Jake

I reckon Helen, who I have described in the 'Other Areas' thread might well be ideal for you. But I suppose I am not suggesting you go all the way to that part of the country. And it's hard to predict with any certainty how two people react to each other (even in a professional setting). Just thought it might be worth letting your mind wander there though.

believe it or not, but drinking Still Water or a NON alcoholic cocktail is pretty cool these days, just keep away from stuff such as chocolate milk or milkshakes if ya get my drift.

[QUOTE=Bsm23]Since I don't drink alcohol/wine (not because of religious reasons - I'm athiest, but due to my father who is a GP constantly warning me about the dangers of alcohol when I was teenager) so I'm not into getting a glass of water or juice at the bar :) What tips can you provide or usual topics to chitchat between us about to get us both relaxed?[/QUOTE]

I cannot quite understand why anyone would not recommend London! ?

Even a quick glance on the internet will show you that there are far more agencies and independents than any other city. I'd even suspect that London (being far more international than Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds etc.) has at least as many girls as the rest of the UK put together. In the 18-30 age range anyway. It also has a huge choice of hotels (at all prices) if that's your situation, and a level of anonymity you won't find even in many other large UK cities because their 'action areas' will usually be concentrated in one or two parts of the city. To be fair, it's true that London's massive edge is mainly from the sheer numbers of East European / Asian girls, but there are plenty of stunning born-and-bred girls too. I'm not suggesting you can't find a great time anywhere else, but pretending that other UK towns/cities are better than London in terms of numbers/quality/access/prices is like suggesting to somebody who works in the stock market that he should move to Burnley if he really wants to see some FTSE action.

BSM23, I humbly suggest you consider spending at least the market rate for a 'first time'. Even if you go on to a long and distinguished mongering career, the first one should set some sort of standard since you'll always remember it. I'd also recommend a 2hr appointment to give you both time to relax, and expect to pay £250/300 or more with either an established freelancer or one of the better agencies (with girls who can speak fairly good English). Quite decent hotel rooms can be had (last minute) for £50+, or just go to an incall (which girls usually prefer anyway).

My answers to your other question would be. Don't worry about when escorts are busy or not. Unless you're looking for a brothel experience, freelancers and (good) agency girls rarely do more than 2-3 appointments a day (some swear it's less than that) no matter how busy the phones are, and I've never had any problem getting the girl I wanted. Unless you leave the booking until literally 1 or 2 hours beforehand. Girls have told me that Monday/Tuesday can be a bit quiet, but most girls have also told me that there is no pattern day-to-day (it often surprises them). It's only when they look back over the month they can really say whether it was busy or not. Even at times you think would be quieter (school holidays etc.) some girls with families take time off, so it evens out. Freelancers and part-time girls usually make their working hours available for you to see, so it's nothing to be concerned about.

If anybody wants some London advice from a resident, feel free to PM me.

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Bluegreen >>> You make some very valid points indeed, and my point was OUTSIDE the UK, agreed inside UK, London by far gives the best choice of Girls on tap 24/7

You are bang on right blue green as I consider London is one of best cities of the world for mongering where anormous amount annyonimity is there and by far one of the best looking girls are available 24/7.

I fondly remember London even after leaving it since 2006.

Have a safe and nice hunting

cheers

Raj

[QUOTE=Wild Child 1]4, Agency girls, you never really get their number, and they may call you on their way to you, I usually get their number before they leave in the AM (hehe)[/QUOTE]Good tip, I originally wanted to do this but thought the agency must put rules on their girls that further secondary bookings must go through them and they get their cut rather than go direct and miss their slice of the fee.

Agencies worth trying:

Pasha - [url]www.pasha.co.uk[/url] (East European and South American)
AProv - [url]www.aprov.co.uk[/url] (EE and South American)
City Butterflies - [url]www.citybutterflies.com[/url] (EE and South American)
Hamiltons - [url]www.hamiltonsescorts.com[/url] (EE and South American)
90 Minute - [url]www.90minute.co.uk[/url] (mainly EE)
Abra Girls - [url]www.abragirls.com[/url] (mainly EE)
Babylon Girls - [url]www.babylongirls.co.uk[/url] (EE/mixed)
007 - [url]www.007escort.co.uk[/url] (Oriental girls)
Moist Angels - [url]www.moist-angels.com[/url] (Oriental)

In my experience, the absolute Playboy-looking 10/10 girls are 'fit but they know it' and can be a bit mechanical unless you can make some sort of connection. The 7-8-9/10 girls are often genuinely lovely (and normally look just as good as their photos, allowing for less make-up etc.) and will make an effort with anyone they sense is a decent guy. Don't be afraid to talk to the receptionist when you call. If you're not sure, they are often very helpful in recommending girls with the best personalities / best match for you. I was cynical about this at first, but had one of the best encounters ever (when the AProv girl I wanted wasn't working) with a Russian girl who I'd not even considered. She seemed delighted to meet me, looked amazing, had a really cool flat and went like the Energizer bunny. That also happened with Babylon one time. Girl not available, but alternative recommended was great. If you've got 30 girls on your books there will always be one or two spoiled fruit, so don't be shy to ask. The agencies want your return business, so it's in their interest to make your experience as good as possible. Reviews can be very helpful, but not all girls have many reviews and while I don't always believe the A+++ ratings without question, I'm also cynical about only one or two negative reviews (given what different guys can be like). My personal tastes rarely venture above £300/hr agency girls. You're in the world of 6-foot supermodels by then, and while I'm sure it's amazing to drive a Lamborghini once it's not necessarily as comfortable & fun as you had hoped. Don't worry about any language barrier that may occur. I've found that a language barrier can actually break the ice, and avoids the occasional problem of a chatty girl who won't hurry up and get on with it. The best sign language is a smile anyway.

Culturally I find East Europeans either icy cool (unless you manage to warm them them up) or incredible 100mph sex machines. Oriental girls are usually more demure and sweet, until you also press their buttons. South Americans are normally as hot as you'd imagine, but can also be quite bold/cheeky. English girls (usually independent rather than agency girls) are doing this job for slightly different economic/social reasons than the foreigners, and are normally very decent & sweet but sometimes outspoken and no-nonsense professionals; independent in every sense. Agencies, like mongers, come and go. But these have all been around for a while, and I've used all of them (I think? ) quite successfully.

Independents/Flats:

[url]www.passionate-encounters.co.uk[/url] (mixed, mainly European)
[url]www.acemassage.net[/url] (links to lots of independents)
[url]www.adultwork.com[/url]
[url]www.punterlink.com[/url]

Some of these places skirt the line between agency and parlour. Walk-up parlours (brothels) don't interest me (I have a total aversion to meeting other mongers 'on the job'), but I have no problem with the flats which only take bookings and have different girls on different days. These girls often only work one or two days a fortnight (they have real jobs. In offices, nursing etc.) and are just freelancing to make ends meet. They're very good if you like more chatty, friendly girls. Independents are sometimes girls who also appear on agency books, but also take their own clients (I'm sure 99% foreign girls also working as independents speak good or fluent English). Or they're out-and-out freelancers; usually British or at least resident, usually very nice people indeed, very professional, only see one or two guys on the days they choose to work and put 110% effort into a full-experience (drinks, nibbles, decor, lingerie, toys, etc. Etc.). The main Punterlink contributors are at the 'high class' end of the affordable independents (Dollymopp, Eleanor Aston, Mei Yi, Josephine etc.), any of whom would be a fantastic choice.

Adultwork is seen as the cheap end of the market, and if you look around it is true. But that only applies to price (not necessarily quality). Of the many excellent girls I've met from there only two were not worth repeating. And even they have both had good reviews from other guys (before and since). Just be careful who you choose; read the profiles in full, and be wary of anyone whose pictures look like they've been stolen (all very pro/photoshopped, and all from the same session). I don't see anyone from here unless I've seen their face and scrutinized their photos and profile. Also take note of the ratings, and stick with girls who already have good reputations until you begin to get a feel for the occasional profile which looks a bit dodgy. AW is still my first choice for picking a girl, but I will call an agency if I want a last-minute appointment, if I want a stunning young foreign girl, or just want to book quite late. Some agencies can take same-day bookings right up to 2am, whereas some independents will ignore you or even take offence if you try to call outside 10am-10pm (ish). I avoid profiles without phone numbers; AW providers have to pay to show their number, which shows a slightly higher chance of them being 'legit' and I hate all the unknown waiting and deliberating when you're sending emails.

Other Independents:

Google "London escort" or "London courtesan" and you'll find a number of girls with their own (often very classy) websites, charging anything from quite decent rates up to daft Elliot-Spitzer style $10, 000/day minimums. One of my favourite girls of all time is a drop-dead gorgeous English blonde who charges £500/2hrs and is also a fascinating and accomplished young woman. But it's hard to justify return visits when you can find somebody pretty who still pushes your buttons at a third of that price. Also, there is at least one independent I know of who. While she's a nice person and I had an okay time. Could be sued for misrepresentation (gorgeous pictures of a slinky 20/30-year old Indian fox, in reality quite saggy and could be her mum). Setting up your own website is quite a hassle, so these girls are usually trustworthy in that respect. Just try to see 'through' the photos; ignore the make up, costumes and lighting, and try to gauge body mass and actual features to avoid a disappointing surprise.

Porn Stars:

[url]www.greatbritishbabes.co.uk[/url]
[url]www.adultwork.co.uk[/url] (you just have to trawl unfortunately).

Yes it's true, some of the girls you can see stuffed & spit-roasted in the finer end of the DVD store are available as escorts. The PSE is not really my thing, but I have seen one before: she was absolutely sweet & gorgeous in the flesh, and we talked for hours. I get the impression that many of these girls are just great girls, but a few are quite hardened (and may even look a bit leathery) with a very mechanical service and think they are honestly worth twice the price of someone prettier, sweeter and easier to please. It's exciting to make a booking with someone you've admired, but don't spend a fortune. You can get as good (or far better) for your money.

Local papers:

Check the Yellow Pages or free press for local 'massage' or 'adult services' adverts. Some have websites but most don't. I won't usually book without seeing pictures first, but I have done so several times overseas. Quality is very variable; Two thirds of the time I've been unimpressed with looks; one third of these plain girls can be jolly friendly people and a good time / one third will be a bit rubbish in all departments (I don't like offending people or sending them away), and then the final third of the time I have found some complete gems (very pretty too) and have booked return appointments with them. But I've had to work through some quite large numbers before those averages balance out, so it's not a good choice unless you do it a lot.

I don't really know anything about the London walk-up/SW scene. It's not my thing, but ISG and Punterlink both have regular/recent reviews of decent girls to be found in the Soho/Central areas.

Outcalls/Hotels:

[url]www.laterooms.com[/url]
[url]www.lastminute.com[/url]
[url]www.hoteldirect.co.uk[/url]

London is packed with hotels, but the quality & price varies even more than the girls. And as with the girls, price often has very little to do with quality. I live in London and prefer visiting girls on incalls (girls often prefer this too. They feel safer, prices are cheaper, and I feel I have more freedom and discretion), but I have used a few hotels. If you're pushing the boat out, the Cumberland in Marble Arch is excellent (£120+/night [url]www.guoman.com[/url]). I found their receptionist quite arsey and the room a bit small, but clean and swanky with an incredibly comfortable Queen-sized bed, decent bathroom, and Gary Rhodes' brasserie downstairs. There are others (Sanderson etc.) whose prices go a bit crazy. Not worth it unless it's a girl you want to impress and you've booked the whole night. At the lower end, there's nothing wrong with Travelodge or Premier Inn; cheaper but still quite anonymous. Bear in mind that you want the anonymity of a large hotel/chain if you've only booked a short outcall, but if you've booked an overnight with somebody (and wouldn't look like an odd couple if seen together) then a small hotel would be fine. The Harrison Gastro Pub/Hotel (£80+/night, [url]www.harrisonbar. Co. Uk[/url]) is clean and great for the price. There are girls around the UK I'd like to see, but I've gotten to the point that I would now prefer a hotel that suits my budget/needs, and go and see the girl myself for an incall. It's cheaper (even with taxis, compared to an overnight booking), and I don't have to think about where I'm staying. If I'm spending any more than that or want a longer booking, it's actually MUCH cheaper to go abroad for a bit of sex tourism (with all the added benefits of a holiday). There is a fantastic 'international sex guide' website, but I forget the address.

Transport:

Back on topic, visitors to London should not worry too much about getting around. Rules of thumb: #1. If you're staying for a few days get an Oyster card from any tube station (also sold at some newsagents & post offices) and put £10 or £20 credit on it. Bus & tube journeys are cheaper, and the card will never charge more than the equivalent daily travelcard if you make a lot of journeys on the same day. Expect £5 a day if you're using the tube a few times, and no more than £3 if you stick to buses. #2. If you're only in London for 24/48 hours and don't travel much, use cabs. Black cabs are fine for very short journeys in Central London (expect £6-7 for a 10 minute ride). If you're going further and can't use the tube (I never use the Tube in rush hour) get a minicab. Addison Lee (020 7387 8888) have a fleet of smart mini-cabs which charge quite reasonable rates based on distance alone, making them far cheaper than black cabs even if you get stuck in traffic, and they can usually be with you quite quickly. If you can't use them for some reason, call a local mini-cab office (just text "HOME" to 60835 for the numbers of licenced local minicab firms) and use them; they'll be with you in minutes, and are all regulated and quite safe these days. Just make sure you book the cab, or walk into an office and ask for one. NEVER get into a mini-cab that is touting for business; it's illegal, and there's a chance you'll be mugged or worse. The last time I got a minicab from Zone 4 into Central London it cost £20 (about 9 miles), against £30-40 for the same journey in a black cab (even when there was no traffic). If you've got an appointment in Barking (for instance), get the tube to somewhere nearby and then walk or get a minicab (minicab offices are usually right next to tube stations).

One other thought that occurs to me, for guys passing through London and staying near Heathrow/Gatwick. Remember that agency girls can get a bit irritated if they have to dress/get ready and travel halfway across London, almost always losing a bit of money on the cab-fare, and making them unavailable for incalls when they're travelling. Either tip them really well (tell them you'll sort out their travel costs at the start) or book someone more independent/local to the airport (via Adultwork, or Google "heathrow escort" etc.). I've seen several lacklustre reviews where the girl has clearly just been tired/pissed off, which you won't get with someone more local who is used to doing outcalls.

Happy mongering.

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