Manila

[QUOTE=DarkKnight1;2530496]Most women in developing countries don't date us for charm, looks and sharp wit. Most men with those qualities not trolling around the developing countries.[/QUOTE]That is what I thought hookers were for. If I am going to be throwing any money around then it would be towards multiple hookers while I pay as I go, not for 1 uneducated homely chick that I see maybe twice a year.

[QUOTE=BigFun;2530732]So before working at the bar, she supported herself and two family members..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the thoughtful post. One girl I was dating in Ph told me about her younger years. When she was 19-20 she was commuting to Singapore where she was earning good money as a bargirl. Why did she need the money?- to get her drug-dealer mom out of jail.

That's quite motivating.

In the second year a banker bought her out of the bar and had her as a GF for the next 5 years where they travelled the word together. That relationship eventually ended and she is now happily married to a pinoy. (She is also happy meeting me on my visits.)

Mom is out and clean.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2530438]I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.[/QUOTE]

I agree, don't send her money at all, that's why you got to find someone independent and hardworker with a good career if possible.

The only way I see myself sending money is if she is expecting my baby, which in that case she can not work because she is pregnant.

Only in that case I see myself sending money to her.

Of course you got to make sure you are the father of the baby, only two ways to know for sure is with a DNA test which can be done while she is pregnant or if you had spend the whole 4 - 5 weeks since her last period together and she never slept a night without you, or spend many hours without you.

Hard to do that if you plan to meet multiple girls during your trip, but if you decide to spend your whole trip with just one girl, then it can be possible if you guys go in a 1 month island hoping vacation trip. It will be impossible for her to get pregnant with someone else in a remote island while you guys are vacationing together and spending all the time together.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2530438]I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.[/QUOTE]LOL. With most women, the minute a chick gets money it is hers, and she does not remember where she got it from. It is a very rare woman who can play the long game.

Be aware that you marry the entire family as well so expect continuing requests for money for the sisters college bill, mother needs an operation, father's gambling debts etc.

Many of these girls fall pregnant young and those nieces and nephews she is so fond of might act be her own children which you will only be told about after the wedding.

The Philippine passport ranks pretty low on the visa free index so expect travelling with her to be inconvenient, you may want to take a quick break at short notice and whilst you probably won't need a visa, she probably will.

You can take the girl out of the bar / village but you can't take the bar / village out of her. My wife left the Philippines over 30 years ago but still eats with her fingers given the chance, and prefers to sit on a low stool whilst eating, rather than at the table. When we visit her hometown, she will quite happily sleep in a bamboo hut and can't wait to eat her first balut (duck egg with partially developed embryo inside).

They are more into sex than the Thai girls and want to make sure you enjoy it. I hooked up with a nymphomaniac half my age on Tinder, it was like being fucked by an animal. Plenty of raw energy but I need to refine her skills a bit.

As a westerner, you can afford to be choosy. Look at higher class and younger than you would at home. You can easily find a stunner 10 years younger than you.

Whilst they are English speaking and Christian, underneath they are Asian don't forget that.

The girls have old fashioned values and make good wives if you treat them well.

Try the "LA Cafe" in Ermita if you're in Manila. Full of freelancers and no admission charge or bar fine, you simply negotiate directly with her and leave. The average standard isn't that high so be prepared to spend a while until you find one you like. The rougher and more desperate ones are close to the front door and will grab you as soon as you enter. Better quality can be found in the back or upstairs, small charge if there is a band playing.

A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.[/QUOTE]So you were the "Pinay" in the marriage getting money and help from the wife's family!

[QUOTE=Brisman33;2537236]Be aware that you marry the entire family as well so expect continuing requests for money for the sisters college bill, mother needs an operation, father's gambling debts etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.[/QUOTE]I'm lost here. Why is her family's misfortune his problem?

Guys that loose $150 K only do so because they allow the out flow. Pay the "help" out of her bank account / allowance / part time job and see how long it continues.

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for these guys. The girls see a cash cow and would be crazy not to take advantage of it.

Cheers. G.

Goes both ways and same the world over. Think Anna Nicole Smith and Summers. I was with a group of young people in the US recently. One of the guys had a bitchy beautiful gold digger wife. I felt sad for the guy because she was looking at climbing into richer greener pastures. Another cute blond girl was married to a red neck who probably makes a tenth of what she makes.

A few years ago, a US politician divorced his crazy rich Asian wife and sued for Alimony.

A rich professional woman could not wait for the super rich separated husband to die so she could take over some of his property and manipulate the kids who inherited the husband's business.

When I was younger, waitresses, nannies, au pairs, shop assistants were such easy targets. The girls' mental calculator figures out where your are from and your potential net worth very rapidly. It is like in Batman, Cat woman's line to Bruce about what he does for a living. Girls ask that all the time to size up your wallet.

It is the same the world over. Don't let color or location blind you.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Goferring;2537501]I'm lost here. Why is her family's misfortune his problem?

Guys that loose $150 K only do so because they allow the out flow. Pay the "help" out of her bank account / allowance / part time job and see how long it continues.

Sorry, but I have absolutely no sympathy for these guys. The girls see a cash cow and would be crazy not to take advantage of it.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Those of us who live here, and others who have spent significant time here have heard and sometimes witnessed variations on this theme for years. And I'm with G; if the infatuation and ability for self-delusion of these suckers is so all-encompassing that they fall for the endless attempts to part them from their money, then the fault is their own. I cannot count the number of naïfs I've tried to warn, mostly in vain, of what was happening to them or, in some cases, what was likely to happen to them. The standard response, invariably is: "I know what you're saying but she is different. " Of course, she never is. The overarching reason for the continued success of the perpetual scam is that most guys who come here seeking "love," are fishing in the wrong pool. But again, I've made this argument for years, and to date no one has paid any attention and I'm now at the point that I no longer try to help those heading for disaster to avert it.

GE.

Yeah, I'm a sucker too. When I spend too much time in PI, I fall into the lets help the girl mentality. Don't affect me when its only 1-2 week trip but when its a month or more, then guessing could be out of boredom.

The last girl I met was a part time freelancer with a 2 yr old girl. She was a very nice person. Not a harden pro. Use to meet up one a week then she wanted to meet more. I asked why as she always insisted she didn't have time to come out more often when I wanted her. She said her daughter has asthma and she was desperate for hospital bills and medicine. She was always trying to be as cheerful as possible when she was with me but always sad and worried just the same.

I tried not to be too sympathetic but it does affect me the longer you know them. I also tried not to let money be an issue but also do find myself giving her a little more than what we agreed on. There was once when she came over and both just got undressed and her phone rang. She started crying as Neighbor said her daughter was having another asthma attack. She got dressed and wanted to leave right away, didn't ask me for any money even though she had to pay transport to visit me. She ran out of my hotel and I caught up to her in the street. I gave her transport money along with what I usually give her for ST and little extra. So she went away with my money and I got absolutely nothing out of it. Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2537550] Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]You are probably a lot like me. I like to be generous but despise being ripped off.

[QUOTE=SaltyPete;2537652]You are probably a lot like me. I like to be generous but despise being ripped off.[/QUOTE]ID agree. There is a huge difference between being generous or charitable to those legitimately in need and an absolute sucker. Arguements could even be made that the monger could receive a couple of thousand pesos value in performance or karma. The guy below is never going to see $150 K in value from his pussy for hire.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2537550]Yeah, I'm a sucker too. When I spend too much time in PI, I fall into the lets help the girl mentality. Don't affect me when its only 1-2 week trip but when its a month or more, then guessing could be out of boredom.

The last girl I met was a part time freelancer with a 2 yr old girl. She was a very nice person. Not a harden pro. Use to meet up one a week then she wanted to meet more. I asked why as she always insisted she didn't have time to come out more often when I wanted her. She said her daughter has asthma and she was desperate for hospital bills and medicine. She was always trying to be as cheerful as possible when she was with me but always sad and worried just the same.

I tried not to be too sympathetic but it does affect me the longer you know them. I also tried not to let money be an issue but also do find myself giving her a little more than what we agreed on. There was once when she came over and both just got undressed and her phone rang. She started crying as Neighbor said her daughter was having another asthma attack. She got dressed and wanted to leave right away, didn't ask me for any money even though she had to pay transport to visit me. She ran out of my hotel and I caught up to her in the street. I gave her transport money along with what I usually give her for ST and little extra. So she went away with my money and I got absolutely nothing out of it. Yeah, like a said, I'm a sucker too.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]There's a HUGE difference between supporting someone and their family vs helping someone with a bit. Hopefully, that FL doesn't expect you to be doing this on a regular basis. And you gave it to her out of the goodness of your heart. Even without that money, it won't affect you that much. It's nice to be generous, as long as you're not being taken advantage of. I'd like to think that if I was in a similar situation, I'd do the same thing (I probably would've paid for transport + 50% of ST), as long as it didn't turn into a habit.

It's not even a matter of expecting something in return. Most of us are blessed to be in a good situation. Sharing a small sliver of that good fortune to people who don't expect it, but are grateful for it, just makes you a good human being.

If she starts expecting handouts, shows she's not grateful, or expects more dump her. World's too big to get hung up on a single ungrateful pussy.

Its all about denial and "suspending disbelief" on the part of the guy. I can't blame the girl for trying to raise some cash.

If one truely believes he is someone that young filipinas find attractive and fun to be with then it should not be difficult to hook up with a single filipina in the USA where she has her own money and the playing field is level. If that can't be achieved then you may need to work on some self improvement so you can compete.

I advise against confusing sex tourism with romance.

[QUOTE=Pussycat123;2537428]A lot of guys think they can go to the Philippines and meet a beautiful, loyal wife who may be much younger than them. Retired guys literally have 20 somethings throwing themselves at them. And in most cases it would be impossible to meet such a a girl in western countries; they wouldn't even give you a second glance. And in fact it is possible to find a beautiful, loyal, young wife in Ph.

But just remember: In 99% of cases the girls are poor, and their families are poor too. Which means that you, as the relatively wealthy foreigner will be the person they come to when they need help. It doesn't matter if they are a bargirl, "Normal" girl, etc. Unless they are from the Filipino elite then they are relatively poor. (And elite Pinays don't throw themselves at working class foreigners).

I just read a story from a guy married to a Pinay. He gave long, long list of all the problems her family had (Brother drowned in a shipwreck, sister got cancer, etc, etc) and he bankrolled them all, to the tune of about $150 k US.

How many of us that have been married to western women had to bail out their family members? In my case, not only was it zero, her family actually gave money to my family and for my kids education. So I was net positive.

So its not surprising the Pinay will be loyal when you are a walking ATM who will solve all the financial problems of her tribe. Just see how long she stays with you if you are broke, especially if she already got her green card or whatever.

So I'm not saying don't marry a Pinay; I'm just saying just understand what you are getting yourself into. As I said, if something looks too good to be true, it probably is.[/QUOTE]