[QUOTE=Shamester; 1500141]BTW who commits the majority of crimes in the DR? Racial profiling is necessary in controlling crime.
No big deal.[/QUOTE]Its never a big deal until- You become the victim.
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[QUOTE=Shamester; 1500141]BTW who commits the majority of crimes in the DR? Racial profiling is necessary in controlling crime.
No big deal.[/QUOTE]Its never a big deal until- You become the victim.
[QUOTE=Grub1; 1500457]I realize that you speak the truth and that the news reports back you up on this.
It really sucks though and makes my black friends from Arizona not want to leave the little area of Sosua[/QUOTE]He is speaking the truth, sort of. But there is a lot more to the question.
It is true that in proportion to their share of the population, dark-skinned men commit a disproportionate share of the crimes which the holiday visitor would worry about, like muggings, burglaries, etc. But this is no doubt the same in the United States and every country with a mixed population. It reflects that this section of the population is at the bottom of social ladder and has less chance of obtaining honest work at a living wage, so more likely to be idling and desperate. This is particularly true in the DR, where the real unemployment rate is probably around 50 percent. And because of the much greater proportion of the population which is not black, in absolute numbers most of such crimes are not committed by black people.
But there are other issues. For one thing, the news reports you mention are hopelessly unreliable. Any unsolved crime in those categories is automatically blamed on Haitians unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. This keeps everyone happy (except the Haitians). The Dominican population can feel secure in their delusional state that this is a democratic and developing country full of warm-hearted and honest people. And the police have a good excuse for their incompetence, trotting out the standard "It is believed the perpetrator(s) slipped back over the border into Haiti", while often pocketing hush money from the real culprits. One can only speculate as to how many Haitians and dark-skinned Dominicans have been framed and imprisoned or lynched for crimes of which they were innocent. I gather such things went on in the American Deep South a long time ago, but it far more widespread here.
Another point is that such categories of crime are, as in most countries, only a very small percentage of all crime committed. Embezzlement, scams, organized crime, drug dealing, tax avoidance, drunken driving crimes, etc, are vastly more common and will involved dark-skinned people very little as they don't have the opportunity to get involved and get their slice of the action. These crimes are overwhelmingly committed by lighter-skinned Dominicans, and the lighter the skin-color, and hence the higher up the social ladder, the greater the monetary value and the greater the impunity from conviction. At the highest levels of government and military, millions of dollars are routinely stolen. I would confidently guess that there are a hundred crimes committed by "non-black" people for every one by a dark-skinned person (and with ten thousand times the monetary value entailed), though I realise that most of them would not directly affect the short-stay tourist.
[QUOTE=VicVeg; 1499955]I gave a trip report a few days ago, with no comments. Oh well.
I mentioned that I learned in Sosua that many of the Rumba girls are cutthroat. I took one out that was sweet in Rumbas and then when I got her to the hotel, she became all business: only Mish, had to beg for her to get on top, we agreed to 90 minutes, but she remembered only 60 minutes etc. Etc.
With chicks after that, I looked to see if they were willing to go to a 2nd bar with me. If I went slow, made them wait before runnning off to the hotel, and their attitude didn't deteriorate, then they might be a keeper.
I met mongers that said the same thing. Make them wait and the cutthroat ones will cut their losses and move onto the next guy.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]It is not just Rumba. My friends and I encountered the same thing at D'Latin. We all remarked that we didn't remember such deception from previous trips. On this trip in October we ran into a lot of bait and switch. Our solution was just as you suggested, a longer interview process. More conversation, a few more drinks. If we got the sense that the girl was not upfront, time to move on.
Sure it is a crap shoot but it can be fun. Since most guys are one and done the girls have no incentive to provide great service. They assume once you have banged them it is see you later. If you make them think that if they do a good job and you are happy that another session is possible. You may get a better bang for the bucks. However guys who speak no Spanish are not going to be able to convey this. If what you want is a one and done that works. Vet the girl for 30 minutes and see how anxious she is. Hard core girls are in a hurry but this does not mean they are not very good in the bed. I had a pro who was maybe the best lay I ever had. She took pride in fucking me into submission. In closing the Sosua honeys have no guarantees but each has potential that can be used to our benefit. The girls are willing to be courted.
[QUOTE=Smooth Slim;1500593]It is not just Rumba. My friends and I encountered the same thing at D'Latin. We all remarked that we didn't remember such deception from previous trips. On this trip in October we ran into a lot of bait and switch. Our solution was just as you suggested, a longer interview process. More conversation, a few more drinks. If we got the sense that the girl was not upfront, time to move on.[/QUOTE]
I joined this Cupid Dating site about three weeks ago and posted photos with a caption saying looking for a friend for a week. I have received several replies and have been very upfront in telling the women that I will be in Sosua for a week and that I'm not looking for a wife or a serious relationship. Several of the women were not interested upon hearing this but some are game and I have been exchanging E-mails and collecting phone numbers. All of these women live near Puerto Plata, are from 22 to 32, and none of them speak English, I'm semi-fluent in Spanish so have been able to converse with them. I arrive the end of the week and it will be interesting to see how this goes with some of these women. I plan on inviting them to my hotel and meet them in the bar to interview them. Depending on how it goes I'll either cut them loose and pay for their travel expenses or negotiate short time in my room followed by potential long time depending on how we get along.
[QUOTE=Smooth Slim;1500593]We all remarked that we didn't remember such deception from previous trips.[/QUOTE]Could it be that the girls are stressed because they think that Sosua might be in the process of getting ride of their business? They might be thinking what to do if that happen, they might be looking now for the big hits and cashing out what they can in a short period. You know, even if you like your job you can't relax and enjoy it if you found out that your company is thinking of firing you in couple years.
My first trip to Sosua is coming up. I had one question the answer I couldn't find in a search, although I think it may be in there. Do you need to know Spanish to speak with the girls and for the trip in general? How much Spanish? Fluent? Beginner? I don't speak any Spanish.
[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1500589]He is speaking the truth, sort of. But there is a lot more to the question.
It is true that in proportion to their share of the population, dark-skinned men commit a disproportionate share of the crimes which the holiday visitor would worry about, like muggings, burglaries, etc. But this is no doubt the same in the United States and every country with a mixed population. It reflects that this section of the population is at the bottom of social ladder and has less chance of obtaining honest work at a living wage, so more likely to be idling and desperate. This is particularly true in the DR, where the real unemployment rate is probably around 50 percent. And because of the much greater proportion of the population which is not black, in absolute numbers most of such crimes are not committed by black people.
But there are other issues. For one thing, the news reports you mention are hopelessly unreliable. Any unsolved crime in those categories is automatically blamed on Haitians unless there is clear evidence to the contrary. This keeps everyone happy (except the Haitians). The Dominican population can feel secure in their delusional state that this is a democratic and developing country full of warm-hearted and honest people. And the police have a good excuse for their incompetence, trotting out the standard "It is believed the perpetrator (s) slipped back over the border into Haiti", while often pocketing hush money from the real culprits. One can only speculate as to how many Haitians and dark-skinned Dominicans have been framed and imprisoned or lynched for crimes of which they were innocent. I gather such things went on in the American Deep South a long time ago, but it far more widespread here.
Another point is that such categories of crime are, as in most countries, only a very small percentage of all crime committed. Embezzlement, scams, organized crime, drug dealing, tax avoidance, drunken driving crimes, etc, are vastly more common and will involved dark-skinned people very little as they don't have the opportunity to get involved and get their slice of the action. These crimes are overwhelmingly committed by lighter-skinned Dominicans, and the lighter the skin-color, and hence the higher up the social ladder, the greater the monetary value and the greater the impunity from conviction. At the highest levels of government and military, millions of dollars are routinely stolen. I would confidently guess that there are a hundred crimes committed by "non-black" people for every one by a dark-skinned person (and with ten thousand times the monetary value entailed) , though I realise that most of them would not directly affect the short-stay tourist.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the response it totally should give people a better perspective on the garbage the news puts out about Haitians. So far I have been treated better by Haitians in general all across the DR even in the highest mountains.
I ask myself why this is all the time.
Don't get me wrong I really like the DR and its people but the Haitians in the DR is like the Mexicans in the USA getting all the jobs because they work harder, faster, stronger, cheaper and so far for me more reliable.
[quote=wrx2005; 1500401]intel among mongers is a very useful asset. i had the pleasure of warning a couple of guys (they were friends of each other) in rockys about that young chica suzy with the pimping mother. i had pulled him to the side, and pretended to ask him for money. a source told me another monger got involved with the girl and the mother a while back and had problems, with them trying to extort him. she supposedly is not even 18 yet. the guy i warned, who was talking to suzy for a while at a table, said goodbye and left. you could tell suzy thought she had scored a customer for sure. so she was disappointed when he ended the convo and left. he eventually came back but now with another girl.
suzy saw this and lost it. she got loud and boistrous and even confronted the girl inside of the restaurant. the guy was staying at rockys in the back. eventually she stormed out of rockys angry and upset (some of it feigned, imo ). the mother just sat in a seat nearby observing everything. the guy tried to be nice about it, and kept saying suzy is just like a daughter to him. which seemed to anger her even more. so imagine what could have happened if those two (mother and suzy) had set him up? both guys thanked me for the warning. even if the intel was wrong, why take that chance? especially since suzy does look like she is ****d. and who knows what other schemes her and the mother have in store for some unsuspecting monger?[/quote]isn't this the suzy that trace79 wifed-up the last time he was in sosua?
Don't remember anyone posting this.
[url]http://youtu.be/_CNclNq-vQc[/url]
Take a gander for what it's worth.
[QUOTE=Parkinsons; 1500723]Don't remember anyone posting this.
[url]http://youtu.be/_CNclNq-vQc[/url]
Take a gander for what it's worth.[/QUOTE]For what it is worth, closing of Passions and CMP is worth nothing! It is like shooting fish in a barrel; might as well go to Blackbeards for the rookies.
[QUOTE=OldKool;1500612]Sure it is a crap shoot but it can be fun. Since most guys are one and done the girls have no incentive to provide great service. They assume once you have banged them it is see you later. If you make them think that if they do a good job and you are happy that another session is possible.[/QUOTE]I agree that seemed to be the attitude of most of the girls we came across in October. That attitude is the polar opposite of girls in Brasil and in some respects Costa Rica. In those countries if they can get you back to the room, they try their best to make sure you want to will do a repeat session. They talk big in the streets and try their best to back it up between the sheets. That is definitely the case in Brasil. Costa Rica has fallen off a bit, but the Ticas are still trying to keep up with the Colombians, Nicaraguans and Panamanians working their turf. And of course you can run across a scammer in those places.
In the DR, it just required a lot more playful conversation before you clearly laid down the rules of engagement and gave the girl the lets go sign. You are correct, it is best if you don't come off as a pump and dump, even if that is your intention. A good time can easily be had, and I enjoyed myself to the utmost. I will be back, but not before making a trip to Colombia (my first ever) and then Brasil in December.
[QUOTE=Smooth Slim; 1500793]I agree that seemed to be the attitude of most of the girls we came across in October. That attitude is the polar opposite of girls in Brasil and in some respects Costa Rica. In those countries if they can get you back to the room, they try their best to make sure you want to will do a repeat session. They talk big in the streets and try their best to back it up between the sheets. That is definitely the case in Brasil. Costa Rica has fallen off a bit, but the Ticas are still trying to keep up with the Colombians, Nicaraguans and Panamanians working their turf. And of course you can run across a scammer in those places.
In the DR, it just required a lot more playful conversation before you clearly laid down the rules of engagement and gave the girl the lets go sign. You are correct, it is best if you don't come off as a pump and dump, even if that is your intention. A good time can easily be had, and I enjoyed myself to the utmost. I will be back, but not before making a trip to Colombia (my first ever) and then Brasil in December.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you are going 2 place's real soon that are known for good times. I hope you have the time of your life. Enjoy and keep us posted on your good times
[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1500414]I think this is the Suzy he is referring to:
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=189455[/url][/QUOTE]Exactly! Thats her. In fact that photo makes her look older. But up close and personal she acts and looks younger.
[quote=the mind bender;1500404]is suzy dark skinned? i met a cute girl at rocky's but she looked **** so i didn't go for it[/quote]no she isn't. she is light skinned. currently sporting light brown hair. about 5' or 5' 1". slim build. has sort of a raspy voice. speaks spanish and a little english.