Monterrey

INfinito on the weekends is BIG.

I don't know if the last time you were here Infinito had expanded to 3 stages, but that has made the club a monstrous club, full of hotties.

Casino and Harem are still good.

Casino is still may favorite, but it seems that you prefer them a little darker and seedier like Harem.

You know your way around.
I know you'll have fun.


[QUOTE=Mextexman]Hola Amigomio,

I'm thinking about heading down to mty this weekend (Oct. 30th). How about a scouting report. I really enjoy el infinito and el harem, never had much luck at casino. Anything to report? Where are the gueritas hanging out these days? Is alejandra still working at el harem?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info. I will make it a point to go to casino again. Last time I was there, there were a couple of hotties, one in particular had alot of energy, you could tell by the way she walked. Waited around because she was just sitting with a regular buying her a beer, but I got sleepy and headed for the bus station. Any chance of getting together for a beer?

Amigomio you never told me that there were darker and seedier than those on Villigran? I'm disappointed you holding back on me like that.

Of course... Harem is one of them

And Womens.

But you don't like Harem.



[QUOTE=Doubt98]Amigomio you never told me that there were darker and seedier than those on Villigran? I'm disappointed you holding back on me like that.[/QUOTE]

Darker and Seedier? I don't see Harem or Womens that way at all. Besides, they are both way more expensive than anything found on Villa Gran.

I've been to Harem many times, and am generally turned off by it. You want LOUD??? Harem is the King of Loud Music in Monterrey. But, it isn't really comparable to the Villa Gran bars, not in format, not in selection, and not in cost. Salida cost is high, drinks are higher than the Villa Gran bars, and the selection of girls is probably about 3-5 years older than a place like El Infinito, and probably 5-10 years older than a place like Parthenon.

Womens, I have heard of that bar for a number of years. But, I do not believe it was on the original set of Amigomio maps. I recently told Amigomio the same thing, that he was holding out on me. So, he recently took me over there, and I was able to soak it up for a little while. The format at Womens is not really the same as the Villa Gran bars either, and the costs are higher there. In answering my accusation, that he was holding out on me for the last ten years, :-))) Amigomio gave me the excuse that he never chose to frequent it often because it was not conveniently located. And, it is way off our normal beaten path of clubs along Madero and down Villa Gran, making it inconvenient for him.

But, Amigomio, are you going to Womens more frequently now? And, if so, do you know something we don't that brings you out of your little corner of the World and down Lincoln Avenue? :-) Because, when I was there, I thought the selection of girls was kind of bland, and that it resembled a bar like Pasarelas or Azul as far as facilities are concerned.

[QUOTE=Doubt98]Amigomio you never told me that there were darker and seedier than those on Villigran? I'm disappointed you holding back on me like that.[/QUOTE]

No no no.

You may not prefer Harem, Womans and Casino, but there are many mongers that do.

Doubt is one of them, specially since he can smoke (YES Doubt, smoke) at Harem and Casino now.

So Harem is loud? Yes, all the LOUD bars are for the young customers.

No, you are off with the age range too.

And Woman's has always been on my Monterrey Google Map.

Woman's format is almost a copy of Harem's

And I haven't been to Woman's in almost a year.

And one of the wrong things that my friend USB tends to imply is, that if he does not like a club, no one else will like it.

A week ago several mongers from Houston and from another forum had one hell of a time with the afternoon Prestige and Obsession girls and the night girls at Poisson.

USB likes neither of these clubs, specially Obsession.

And these guys did not like Infinito at all.

This guys had no trouble spending money, so they get the girls, the good ones and believe me they were not scammed or robbed since I was there with them, but they had no qualms in paying 4000 pesos for a salida at Poisson.

Diversity is high.

Let they guys have fun at which ever club they desire and find fit to spend their money at.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Darker and Seedier? I don't see Harem or Womens that way at all. Besides, they are both way more expensive than anything found on Villa Gran.

I've been to Harem many times, and am generally turned off by it. You want LOUD??? Harem is the King of Loud Music in Monterrey. But, it isn't really comparable to the Villa Gran bars, not in format, not in selection, and not in cost. Salida cost is high, drinks are higher than the Villa Gran bars, and the selection of girls is probably about 3-5 years older than a place like El Infinito, and probably 5-10 years older than a place like Parthenon.

Womens, I have heard of that bar for a number of years. But, I do not believe it was on the original set of Amigomio maps. I recently told Amigomio the same thing, that he was holding out on me. So, he recently took me over there, and I was able to soak it up for a little while. The format at Womens is not really the same as the Villa Gran bars either, and the costs are higher there. In answering my accusation, that he was holding out on me for the last ten years, :-))) Amigomio gave me the excuse that he never chose to frequent it often because it was not conveniently located. And, it is way off our normal beaten path of clubs along Madero and down Villa Gran, making it inconvenient for him.

But, Amigomio, are you going to Womens more frequently now? And, if so, do you know something we don't that brings you out of your little corner of the World and down Lincoln Avenue? :-) Because, when I was there, I thought the selection of girls was kind of bland, and that it resembled a bar like Pasarelas or Azul as far as facilities are concerned.[/QUOTE]

I must answer the charges...Point #1

With respect to Harem, another example of STUPID management, management who believes they know how to market their services. I am not convinced that the young want their ear drums blown out, nor are they interested in not being able to converse with their girls. If so, then the "young" are just stupid. And, I do not believe the young are stupid. I believe the management IS STUPID!!!! And, IT IS!!! They want to sell drinks, privados, SEX? Then make the environment such that you can sell your product. Their product is not LOUD music? They should be using their assets, ie: girls, more effectively. They can't do that if the girls can't ply their trade because the music is so loud neither the client or the girl can talk to one another. Simple business...

If you can't talk to the girls, you are totally handicapped in the application of any kind of reasonable strategy. You can't interview them to determine their viability, nothing. You are sitting there totally silent, or you're screaming your lungs out, only to imagine you're hearing her say "COMO," as she moves her lips, because you really can't hear her, can you? That's the reason I don't like the loud music. Any intelligently thinking monger that's on his game knows what tools are necessary to be successful in a strip club environment. Maybe the inexperience of the young shows, or perhaps some of the young have no expertise at the "game," so the loud music is convenient. Perhaps they know that if they open their mouths, and are heard, they'll just sabotage themselves, and the club imposed silence is virtual bliss for they who are otherwise clueless anyway...who knows?

Lets face it, the excessively loud music is pandering to the excesses of the DJs desire to dominate the strip club environment with his influence. The DJs are almost entities left to their own devices. They are not managed so the environment is conducive to the business of selling drinks and privados, a fault of the manager, and a hindrance to mongering, not a help.

Concerning my own acceptance of Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas...remember, I used to frequent Pasarelas all the time, but the selection there is very iffy. Sometime it has been good, and worth my patronage, and other times, the place has grown stale, mediocre selection, etc...

With respect to all three bars, Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas, all three of them do have girls that would be generally good on salida. But, the bar fine for those clubs is relatively high, ranging, depending on the whim of the managers at the time, between 750 and 800 pesos. I just find that a little prohibitive when you factor in the cost of girls, which seems to run a little higher than what I'm able to achieve elsewhere. So, it all comes back to salida cost, and getting the very best result for the money spent.

Second Point...Concerning my aversion to spending money at Prestige and Obsession.

So, you are hereby recommending, it seems, that visitors to Monterrey go to the high end bars...I don't think so! You accuse me of having prejudice against Prestige and Obsession, and I do, mainly because they're a rip-off in comparison to what I routinely get, and you yourself have always steered me away from spending excessive amounts of money in those bars.

I do understand why you personally spend some money there, for other extra curricular opportunities that result from your investment there. But, for most of us, investing money there without the weekly follow up necessary to close the deal with the girls for outside activities is just a waste of money.

With respect to Obsession, they have apparently become even more mercenary lately, pushing the girls to aggressively drink their drinks quickly, pushing girls on us that we don't want, threatening customers with actual expulsion when they don't order enough drinks for themselves, much less drinks for the girls, and/or spending up to their ridiculous expectations, even being apparently cricitical if you choose to drink a soft drink or agua mineral, sold at a ridiculous price I might ad, making the profitability on said drink the same as if you ordered their watered down whiskey with copious amounts of ice.

It's all about fleecing the customer, and intimidating them, rather than making the environment enticing enough to solicit your willing patronage. At one time, they had a decent buffet, which has declined so considerably that they should be ashamed of it.

I believe the marketing strategy for Obsession is quite contrary to any kind of intelligent business strategy, and it simply demonstrates a lack of business acumen that resides with that specific management, and often within the high end strip club industry in Monterrey. It serves to alienate customers that routinely, week after week, spend money there, lesser amounts than their newly adopted requirements for civil treatment of well established clients seems to be, but regular paying customers.

They have NO RIGHT to be so arrogant. I could understand their philosophy if the tables were full and there was a line out the door of the place. But, they always have a lot of empty tables...always. There is no line out the door, verdad? They charge you cover for the right to eat the buffet, sit for at least an hour, and consume a drink or two without molestation. What justifies their cover charge if one can't sit in their establishment for an hour and drink a water, or Coke Lite? Frankly, I could not stand to sit in Obsession for more than about an hour, were I alone, before wanting to leave due to boredom and food poisoning anyway... :-)))

Am I gettin' to you yet?

Simply put...I will NOT play their extortionistic games.

It is their responsibility to entice me as a customer, and I have too many other options to be dictated to by arrogant managers that prefer to strong arm customers rather than doing their jobs, and motivating their personal to make the environment such that people spend more money within their establishments. They have NO CREATIVITY and/or marketing skills, period. They only understand the underworld sorts of extortionistic tactics that more resemble a criminal enterprise rather than a legitimate business.

Consider this...If a taxi driver is asked by a Gringo visitor, "any hot spots you can take me to?" and they reply with any of the names of the higher end clubs, such as Prestige, Obsession, Premier, Amnesia...you would say that they are making those recommendations to receive kickbacks from the clubs, and then you would advise the visitor against going there, and recommend to them that they not pick any one of them, that the taxi driver is taking them to be fleeced. Right?

So, I personally believe that those clubs are, for the most part, a place to get fleeced, and that there are much better options available, options that many visitors would prefer if they had a clue, not withstanding the money issues I mentioned before. If you have the money, it's fine. But, on my budget, I find them to be a waste in comparision.

If you are very wealthy, and dropping about $500 a night is not something that you're adverse to doing (personally, I break out in hives at the prospect of doing so), then sure, you can have fun in the higher end bars. And, if you told me that you prefer the comfort level there, and that you just don't like the seedy nature of some of the other clubs we frequent, I would say that I can understand those arguments....

But, you must be prepared to drop about $500 bucks in order to experience the same range of experiences you can obtain for about 1200 to 1800 pesos, or less, in some of the other bars we frequent, whether you choose to partake in a salida, or have all your fun on premises. You can have much more fun, with an equal quality of girl, for a lot less, simply because you can also experience the variety that you really can 't experience for the money by patronizing the high end bars.

I agree that many of the visitors that you say liked their experiences at Prestige and Obsession, did indeed like their experiences. But, I would also say they are making assessments from a relatively sheltered point of reference, that being experience in US strip clubs, which as we all know, are not worthy of our patronage compared to any of our low end Monterrey bars. And, many patrons that go there willingly only get a couple of hours in a strip club every 6 months if they're lucky.

Remember, I am saying all of this within the context of money spent. If you like the high end bars, I have no quarrel, only that there is a price to be willingly paid.

I remember when I first came to Monterrey and experienced Prestige and Obsession, they were like I had found Meca. It's all about point of reference, and experience level. I have to admit I like the facilities in Prestige and Obsession, it is comfortable, the music isn't too loud, there are "some" good looking girls...I do NOT like what I get for the price.

I also remember spending no less than $500US in one sitting at Premier. $500.00 fricken hundred bucks, and it happens all the time, to guys that have no experience in Monterrey. Why was I so foolish??? Because simply put, I was a "babe," not having but one prior visit to Monterrey, and no worldly experience whatsoever, just the pitiful experiences to be had within the US strip club system.

Compared to my prior experience in US strip clubs, I thought that Premier represented heaven on earth...We all know at this juncture, that heaven on earth is available for about 1350 pesos, or considerable less than that if you know what you're doing, or if you frequent the MPs, etc...

It all depends on your not being wide eyed and "GaGa" over thinking you died and went to heaven inside the plushness of the higher end clubs.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]No no no.

You may not prefer Harem, Womans and Casino, but there are many mongers that do.

Doubt is one of them, specially since he can smoke (YES Doubt, smoke) at Harem and Casino now.

So Harem is loud? Yes, all the LOUD bars are for the young customers.

No, you are off with the age range too.

And Woman's has always been on my Monterrey Google Map.

Woman's format is almost a copy of Harem's

And I haven't been to Woman's in almost a year.

And one of the wrong things that my friend USB tends to imply is, that if he does not like a club, no one else will like it.

A week ago several mongers from Houston and from another forum had one hell of a time with the afternoon Prestige and Obsession girls and the night girls at Poisson.

USB likes neither of these clubs, specially Obsession.

And these guys did not like Infinito at all.

This guys had no trouble spending money, so they get the girls, the good ones and believe me they were not scammed or robbed since I was there with them, but they had no qualms in paying 4000 pesos for a salida at Poisson.

Diversity is high.

Let they guys have fun at which ever club they desire and find fit to spend their money at.[/QUOTE]

Harem is loud.... so?

It's full to the brim of girls (40-50) and customers.

That is truely not a sign of stupid management.

We as customers must not lose the perspective that each club will have it's own signature style and we must be able to identify it so we can adapt.

At Harem the girl specialize in asking for "jarras" or drinks in pitchers, plus dances in booths are abundant here.

Girls don't care if a conversation is going on with the customer, they just want the customer to go ga-ga over her and keep the pitchers coming.

Contrary to this, brother club Casino is almost the opposite.
Music is not as loud, here the girls go for individual drinks and dances are not that plentiful.

Womans's operates on the same level of decibles as Harem, but canned beer is the favorite drink of the girls.

Azul Tequila the girls will ask for beers and they will plop themselves in your lap. Or buy a pitcher and a semi private room and semi XXX action will start

Pasarelas, here the word is get the girls drunk. Not that many private dances going on, just fun on the floor.

All the clubs offer a different ticket for a different show.

One has either to adapt or just look for the club that will suit him the best.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]I must answer the charges...Point #1

With respect to Harem, another example of STUPID management, management who believes they know how to market their services. I am not convinced that the young want their ear drums blown out, nor are they interested in not being able to converse with their girls. If so, then the "young" are just stupid. And, I do not believe the young are stupid. I believe the management IS STUPID!!!! And, IT IS!!! They want to sell drinks, privados, SEX? Then make the environment such that you can sell your product. Their product is not LOUD music? They should be using their assets, ie: girls, more effectively. They can't do that if the girls can't ply their trade because the music is so loud neither the client or the girl can talk to one another. Simple business...

If you can't talk to the girls, you are totally handicapped in the application of any kind of reasonable strategy. You can't interview them to determine their viability, nothing. You are sitting there totally silent, or you're screaming your lungs out, only to imagine you're hearing her say "COMO," as she moves her lips, because you really can't hear her, can you? That's the reason I don't like the loud music. Any intelligently thinking monger that's on his game knows what tools are necessary to be successful in a strip club environment. Maybe the inexperience of the young shows, or perhaps some of the young have no expertise at the "game," so the loud music is convenient. Perhaps they know that if they open their mouths, and are heard, they'll just sabotage themselves, and the club imposed silence is virtual bliss for they who are otherwise clueless anyway...who knows?

Lets face it, the excessively loud music is pandering to the excesses of the DJs desire to dominate the strip club environment with his influence. The DJs are almost entities left to their own devices. They are not managed so the environment is conducive to the business of selling drinks and privados, a fault of the manager, and a hindrance to mongering, not a help.

Concerning my own acceptance of Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas...remember, I used to frequent Pasarelas all the time, but the selection there is very iffy. Sometime it has been good, and worth my patronage, and other times, the place has grown stale, mediocre selection, etc...

With respect to all three bars, Harem, Casino, and Pasarelas, all three of them do have girls that would be generally good on salida. But, the bar fine for those clubs is relatively high, ranging, depending on the whim of the managers at the time, between 750 and 800 pesos. I just find that a little prohibitive when you factor in the cost of girls, which seems to run a little higher than what I'm able to achieve elsewhere. So, it all comes back to salida cost, and getting the very best result for the money spent.

Second Point...Concerning my aversion to spending money at Prestige and Obsession.

So, you are hereby recommending, it seems, that visitors to Monterrey go to the high end bars...I don't think so! You accuse me of having prejudice against Prestige and Obsession, and I do, mainly because they're a rip-off in comparison to what I routinely get, and you yourself have always steered me away from spending excessive amounts of money in those bars.

I do understand why you personally spend some money there, for other extra curricular opportunities that result from your investment there. But, for most of us, investing money there without the weekly follow up necessary to close the deal with the girls for outside activities is just a waste of money.

With respect to Obsession, they have apparently become even more mercenary lately, pushing the girls to aggressively drink their drinks quickly, pushing girls on us that we don't want, threatening customers with actual expulsion when they don't order enough drinks for themselves, much less drinks for the girls, and/or spending up to their ridiculous expectations, even being apparently cricitical if you choose to drink a soft drink or agua mineral, sold at a ridiculous price I might ad, making the profitability on said drink the same as if you ordered their watered down whiskey with copious amounts of ice.

It's all about fleecing the customer, and intimidating them, rather than making the environment enticing enough to solicit your willing patronage. At one time, they had a decent buffet, which has declined so considerably that they should be ashamed of it.

I believe the marketing strategy for Obsession is quite contrary to any kind of intelligent business strategy, and it simply demonstrates a lack of business acumen that resides with that specific management, and often within the high end strip club industry in Monterrey. It serves to alienate customers that routinely, week after week, spend money there, lesser amounts than their newly adopted requirements for civil treatment of well established clients seems to be, but regular paying customers.

They have NO RIGHT to be so arrogant. I could understand their philosophy if the tables were full and there was a line out the door of the place. But, they always have a lot of empty tables...always. There is no line out the door, verdad? They charge you cover for the right to eat the buffet, sit for at least an hour, and consume a drink or two without molestation. What justifies their cover charge if one can't sit in their establishment for an hour and drink a water, or Coke Lite? Frankly, I could not stand to sit in Obsession for more than about an hour, were I alone, before wanting to leave due to boredom and food poisoning anyway... :-)))

Am I gettin' to you yet?

Simply put...I will NOT play their extortionistic games.

It is their responsibility to entice me as a customer, and I have too many other options to be dictated to by arrogant managers that prefer to strong arm customers rather than doing their jobs, and motivating their personal to make the environment such that people spend more money within their establishments. They have NO CREATIVITY and/or marketing skills, period. They only understand the underworld sorts of extortionistic tactics that more resemble a criminal enterprise rather than a legitimate business.

Consider this...If a taxi driver is asked by a Gringo visitor, "any hot spots you can take me to?" and they reply with any of the names of the higher end clubs, such as Prestige, Obsession, Premier, Amnesia...you would say that they are making those recommendations to receive kickbacks from the clubs, and then you would advise the visitor against going there, and recommend to them that they not pick any one of them, that the taxi driver is taking them to be fleeced. Right?

So, I personally believe that those clubs are, for the most part, a place to get fleeced, and that there are much better options available, options that many visitors would prefer if they had a clue, not withstanding the money issues I mentioned before. If you have the money, it's fine. But, on my budget, I find them to be a waste in comparision.

If you are very wealthy, and dropping about $500 a night is not something that you're adverse to doing (personally, I break out in hives at the prospect of doing so), then sure, you can have fun in the higher end bars. And, if you told me that you prefer the comfort level there, and that you just don't like the seedy nature of some of the other clubs we frequent, I would say that I can understand those arguments....

But, you must be prepared to drop about $500 bucks in order to experience the same range of experiences you can obtain for about 1200 to 1800 pesos, or less, in some of the other bars we frequent, whether you choose to partake in a salida, or have all your fun on premises. You can have much more fun, with an equal quality of girl, for a lot less, simply because you can also experience the variety that you really can 't experience for the money by patronizing the high end bars.

I agree that many of the visitors that you say liked their experiences at Prestige and Obsession, did indeed like their experiences. But, I would also say they are making assessments from a relatively sheltered point of reference, that being experience in US strip clubs, which as we all know, are not worthy of our patronage compared to any of our low end Monterrey bars. And, many patrons that go there willingly only get a couple of hours in a strip club every 6 months if they're lucky.

Remember, I am saying all of this within the context of money spent. If you like the high end bars, I have no quarrel, only that there is a price to be willingly paid.

I remember when I first came to Monterrey and experienced Prestige and Obsession, they were like I had found Meca. It's all about point of reference, and experience level. I have to admit I like the facilities in Prestige and Obsession, it is comfortable, the music isn't too loud, there are "some" good looking girls...I do NOT like what I get for the price.

I also remember spending no less than $500US in one sitting at Premier. $500.00 fricken hundred bucks, and it happens all the time, to guys that have no experience in Monterrey. Why was I so foolish??? Because simply put, I was a "babe," not having but one prior visit to Monterrey, and no worldly experience whatsoever, just the pitiful experiences to be had within the US strip club system.

Compared to my prior experience in US strip clubs, I thought that Premier represented heaven on earth...We all know at this juncture, that heaven on earth is available for about 1350 pesos, or considerable less than that if you know what you're doing, or if you frequent the MPs, etc...

It all depends on your not being wide eyed and "GaGa" over thinking you died and went to heaven inside the plushness of the higher end clubs.[/QUOTE]

Compadre. Mil desculpas. Did not mean to get you in trouble con nuestro amigos. It does show that we do pay attention to your posts and your advice. Maybe one day we can ALL have a cerveza and discuss this face to face. USB does bring up the point about the loud music, but when you do not hear muy bien to begin with like myself. Pues. Maybe I will visit Womens just to check it out. Buen dia.

Adios

Sure, no quarrel with you on "each to his own liking." My own opinions are strictly my own. And, each of us has to make up his mind what they like. I did not mean to imply there is particularly a right or wrong from the customer's perspective. I just happen to believe that management shoots themselves in the foot with some of their decisions. Harem is really busy...I have to give you that. But, I think it's in spite of themselves at times, and a credit to the girls, as you said. Who knows, if the girls could use the depths of their charm instead of putting in ear plugs, and being limited to using only their bodies to impress, maybe there would not be an open seat in the house, and a line to get in the place would be forming at the front door, something I have never witnessed there, versus El Infinito, where lines form all the time, and I am frequently shoulder to shoulder with so many hombres scrambling to find a seat.

I know, lets start a comparison like we've been reading on the local Monterrey website, one between El Infinito, arguably the best managed club in the city, compared to all the want to be's.

Don't worry TexMexMan, he's in perpetual trouble with me... :-)))))

[QUOTE=Amigomio]One has either to adapt or just look for the club that will suit him the best.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]not mean to imply there is particularly a right or wrong from the customer's perspective.. :-)))))[/QUOTE]

Don't ever forget that.......... customer's perspective.........that's all you are a "customer"........

Well, I don't really know if you're implying that I sometimes enjoy a status as more than just a customer with some of the bars I frequent, or with some of the girls I see, or both. Your comment was unspecific. But, rest assured, I do enjoy a status within some of the bars that provides a level of status that exceeds the treatment of the average "customer."

And, on the other hand, were you referencing my overall philosophy with respect to my relationship with some girls, the very point of my posts are not self congratulatory or self servicing. The point of my posts is to illustrate that all things are possible. Those who actually know me, and the specifics of my circumstances, including my status within the bar scene or with certain girls, are well aware of the distinction between my being a customer or otherwise.

My point in bringing the subject up to begin with is to personally testify to what is possible, assuming those kinds of results are individually desirable. I thoroughly acknowledge "To each his own."

Actually, my perspective on this subject is probably even more cynical than your own. That is, I believe that whether you're in a legitimate relationship or merely a customer, either way, you "pay," and you "give" in order to "get" what you're looking for. I don't see any distinction whether you're dealing with H**KERS, bars, or legitimate "good girl" girlfriends.

I am not viewing the world through rose colored glasses. Just playing the game with my eyes wide open, and achieving my brand of success, according to my own assessment, which is all that really matters anyway. My goal is to experience success to its absolute highest satisfaction level attainable according to my own criteria both with respect to the bars I frequent and the girls I see.

That does not mean there is no cost associated with success, not whether you're in a legitimate relationship with one of them, or whether your viewed by them as a client, or whether you're in a legitimate relationship with a "good girl," and/or dealing with individual personalities within the bar scene.

My methods work well for me, and my satisfaction level is the absolute best it has ever been. That's a personal assessment that each and every one of us has to individually make, and we each employ our own strategy accordingly to get there.

My purpose is to relate my own strategy for consideration. I am totally open to hearing other strategies and other definitions of success. I invite and welcome other perspectives, but I often find that many perspectives do not apply to my own criteria, and/or my own definition of success.

But, it must also be said, that in order for my strategies and results to be successful, the psychology inherent in the girl is really important, whether she is vulnerable to my own desire for a certain outcome. That's why Amigomio regularly accuses me of attracting only certain kinds of girls. He can elaborate on that. But, none the less, those specific kinds of girls open up all kinds of possibilities, and were they not of a certain type, I probably wouldn't really want them, or be satisfied with them anyway.

I find that most mongers are not in tune with my results, and I often find that my comments are often totally misinterpreted because the reader may have no point of reference from which to even remotely understand where I'm coming from.

If that be the case with respect to your warning, I sincerely apologize if I sound naive, or my comments strike some kind of defensive chord for some.

[QUOTE=Bbond]Don't ever forget that.......... customer's perspective.........that's all you are a "customer"........[/QUOTE]

I was contemplating Amigomio's comments last night concerning the distinction between these bars. I concur completely with his assessment.

His IS, most definitely, the very best, most concise, most accurate assessment of each of these clubs, and what distinguishes them from one another, that I have ever seen...

I recommend a full consideration of his comments in making your selection if you come to Monterrey, and also that you thoroughly examine your inner-self in order to know which of these you're likely to have the most fun in based on his assessment.

Excellent Job Amigomio!!!!!

[QUOTE=Amigomio]
It's full to the brim of girls (40-50) and customers.

At Harem the girl specialize in asking for "jarras" or drinks in pitchers, plus dances in booths are abundant here.

Contrary to this, brother club Casino is almost the opposite.
Music is not as loud, here the girls go for individual drinks and dances are not that plentiful.

Womans's operates on the same level of decibles as Harem, but canned beer is the favorite drink of the girls.

Azul Tequila the girls will ask for beers and they will plop themselves in your lap. Or buy a pitcher and a semi private room and semi XXX action will start

Pasarelas, here the word is get the girls drunk. Not that many private dances going on, just fun on the floor.

All the clubs offer a different ticket for a different show.

One has either to adapt or just look for the club that will suit him the best.[/QUOTE]

I have been thinking about all of the recent posts and quite frankly it is a very individual choice. I come to mty to blow a little steam, am here maybe 8 hours max, so time is of the essence to me. That is why I like harem or el infinito, pace is quicker, girls friskier, get right to the point of the matter. If I lived in mty, then I would probably like casino, slower pace, music not so loud, visit with the girls. Don't get me wrong, I like casino, girls are pretty, but they just happen to move at a slower pace. I was there one night, and there were 30 girls with 30 clients sitting around the stage. Great if your one of the 30 guys, lousy if you are only going to be in town for 8 hours, they just keep ordering beers.

Just my humble opinion.

Amigomio routinely chastises me, within the medium level bar scene, for sometimes being a little too impatient, a little too particular, and a little too quick to dismiss girls that I don't believe fit my criteria. He regularly accuses me of targeting what he perceives as the most unattainable of the lot, thereby wasting other opportunities that he perceives as perfectly acceptable candidates for me.

I believe that I actually do frustrate him quite a bit because he always seems a little incredulous when I don't buy one of them a second drink, etc...:-))

I send just them away nicely, making some polite excuse...I do so because I am able to discern their eligibility in a relatively short period of time. But, if you're buying drinks in the medium level bars like Casino, the interviewing process is prolonged sufficiently that you can't just send them away in rapid fire sequence once you've made the determination. In the medium level bars, you're stuck with them for at least 20 minutes each, getting the waiters to bring you la cuenta at the end of the evening, leaving a tip for them, etc...

I can literally visit, and make assessments of candidates in probably three lower end bars in the time it takes to visit one medium level bar. There are times that I have swooped into El Infinito, assessed 3 or 4 candidates in the privados, and moved on to the next bar, all in less than twenty minutes.

Due to the time constraints you mentioned, you sometimes have to "process" volume rather than take the time to thoroughly assess eligibility. For that reason, if you have time constraints like most of us do, there simply isn't a better environment than the lower end bars, where you have scores of girls walking around, where you can cut right to the chase, and you are able to reach a relatively inexpensive, time sensitive conclusion.

Those that live full-time in Monterrey have time on their side. And, while I do spend much more time in Monterrey than most, I am not always there, day in and day out, to "break them down," so to speak. But, fortunately for me, I am there quite often, and for relatively extended periods of time, which acquaints me with huge numbers of girls, and gives me the opportunity to quickly pick up where I left off. But, even with an increased presence, I still usually see the merit in processing volume, which means visiting a lot of lower end bars, doing hit and runs to cut right to the chase.

In my own case, with a GF occupying my time, I've become much more interested in just enjoying the ambiance and relaxation within the medium level bar scene, and my focus on bar fining girls has become secondary. The pressure to "produce" is off. I find myself sufficiently occupied otherwise that my focus on processing volume hasn't been a priority. Therefore, my goal with respect to selecting clubs, and my focus, has sort of changed a little, not so much urgency to process volume, thereby giving me the breathing room to enjoy clubs like Casino more than I ever have in the past, just to relax, buy a drink, kill some time with mis amigos, etc...with no eye toward bar fining them.

Personally, I think that the Amigomio types become a little bored with the lower end bar scene, they wanting a little more social stimulation most of the time, they employing more subtle and calculated strategies to continue enjoying a hobby that may have all but become routine to them were they to concentrate like many of us otherwise have to in such a hit and run fashion in just the austere environment of the lower end bar scene. That isn't to imply that Amigomio doesn't do hit and runs, he does. But, his hit and runs are more akin to the tortoise than the hair, he being able to stop and smell the roses along the way, something that most occasional visitors do not have the luxury to enjoy.

[QUOTE=Mextexman]I have been thinking about all of the recent posts and quite frankly it is a very individual choice. I come to mty to blow a little steam, am here maybe 8 hours max, so time is of the essence to me. That is why I like harem or el infinito, pace is quicker, girls friskier, get right to the point of the matter. If I lived in mty, then I would probably like casino, slower pace, music not so loud, visit with the girls. Don't get me wrong, I like casino, girls are pretty, but they just happen to move at a slower pace. I was there one night, and there were 30 girls with 30 clients sitting around the stage. Great if your one of the 30 guys, lousy if you are only going to be in town for 8 hours, they just keep ordering beers.

Just my humble opinion.[/QUOTE]