Panama City

[QUOTE=Black Page]I recommend the hotel "Los Arcos". Any taxi driver knows it. It is in Bellavista, 5 minutes from la Bodeguita, 2-3 blocks South of Via Espana,if I am not wrong on Arusemena. Price: 11$ for 2 hours (yes). The rooms are clean, well furnished and you can have a shower without feeling dirty *after* it. Los Arcos is a chain of budget hotels that is not bad."

I am sure that any good poster of this forum (I mean good explorers of the city, viz. Meat Loaf) know many other hotels like this.

I always returned on foot from Los Arcos to my hotel in the Veneto area. [/QUOTE]I passed by that place today "Black Page. " It probably is a 10 * 15 minute walk from Veneto area. I was on the bus, $0. 25, and passed by it and within 5 minutes was down the street from the Marriot and back at home in Marbella.

There are a slew of hotel in this area for a similar price and most are respectable establishments. Barrios Bella Vista, La Cresta, Calidonia.

Fellas, el Calidonia as mentioned before is a very active neighborhood.

Maybe one of the most active within the city. All of the bus routes pass through Calidonia and all three (3) major streets (Via Espana, Balboa, and Via Simon Bolivar) start in Calidonia. Cd. Panama is a rather small city, in my opinion, and is within minutes of los barrios el Dorado, Marbella, Congrejo, and Paitilla via taxi, foot, or bus. (Too far to walk from el Dorado though.)

In Calidonia the street Via Espana becomes Ave. Central and is very active with mercantilism. During the daytime the streets are jam-packed with people shopping and walking. During the night, the street still maintains its energy, but further down in the "walkway. " Lots of good-ass of all varieties can be had on Ave. Central during the day by just walking and talking. Ass of the non-pro and Colombian-pro and Panamanian-pro. (Your typical pro will be from Colombia, but many Panamanian girls sell the cocha.) A few casinos exist on Ave. Central and I have witnessed the Colombia-pros having to present their health card to enter. Frequently, I drink a beer and hit Ave. Central to meet some new canals for my dredging.

El Capitan located on a 45 degree angled street called Ave. Mexico which is 2 blocks from the big blue building (important fact) American Superstore located on Ave. Central towards the bottom at the beginning of the "walkway. " A park exists in front of the American Superstore. 5 a block from the American Superstore toward el Capitan is the Social Security office with a big bus stop in front of it. At the end of the second block are two self-serve car washes. Hit the 45 degree angled street and walk. 5 block. This block looks poor and has 2 hipodromo bars, 4 more bars, a used tire shop, a Chinese bodega, and a big vacant lot. Again, it looks poor.

El Capitan is great for those that like "Chocolate Lovin’! " The majority of the customers are of African-ancestory. Hours of operation are 10 a. M. Until late-close. Lots of chocolate Panamanians from the rough-and-tumble neighborhoods of Chorrillo, Ancon, Curundu, and Santa Ana sell ass at this location. Rates have been quoted of $40, but they most certainly will take less. No rooms are available, so a acquiring your own hotel in Calidonia or Bella Vista or where ever will be needed. Beginning at 7 p. M. The DJ plays Salsa and it becomes a nightclub. The place has about 20 or more girls sitting around beginning at about 5p. M. This is no frills nor does it have much ambiance, but has lots of nice Chocolate ass. Beers range from $0. 60 to $1 and for a lady they cost $2. Lots of older gentlemen frequent this local. The girls are fuck action.

Within walking distance on Ave. Central, the walkway, is Calle K. Lots of hookers! Street Walkers. Strippers. Frelancers. Everything. On Calle K are about 5 bars, with Las Vegas having strippers upstairs and porno downstairs. No rooms exist. The strippers are hungry, but lazy. Shouldn’t cost more than $25 – 40 for outside sex. Hours are daytime for beer and porno with strippers hitting the stage at 6 p. M. Pitchers of beer cost $4.

Bar Nicks on the corner of Ave. Central and Calle K has freelancers working day and night. Beer is $0. 80.

Bar La Panamerica has full-time hookers and porno all day and night. Beer is $0. 80. This place is located at the end of the aforementioned block on Calle K.

Bar Hawaii is located across the street from Bar la Panamerica and has freelancers and porno all day and night. Beer is $0. 80.

Calle K has every variety of prostitutes available and around the corner is a 24-hour hotel with SWs in front. The police are present at all times of day at the beginning of this block. Never should you pay over $40 for any ass within this sector and $25 is more realistic.

El Calidonia has about 5 casinos and pros working there. I’ve been quoted the ridiculous price of $100, but they knew better. Lots of hotels are around for $25 per night. You can score some Colombian ass within these hotels for under $60.

*** All of the above locations that play porno almost exclusively play anal movies, so the girls may be more willing to give you some third eye. ***

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Street Walkers:

Along Calle 2A Sur (Ave. Cuba, ) which is about 4 blocks above Balboa, within 8 blocks of the Childrens' Hospital on Calle 34E are SW. I've seen SW along this street for the past month. Yesterday, I asked for a price quote and was given $20 for sex. Plenty of hotels are available starting at $10 within a block or two. Car traffic frequently stops in this area to pick-up there SW. The girls look nice with skirts, spandex, and shorts. 20-somethings. I've been propositioned just walking the street or drinking a beer across the street from one of Calidonia's casinos. The SW are present starting at 7 p. M. Only about 10 are visible and may be with a customer or inside the casino if not on the corner or walking around.

I've invested 3 weeks in this neighborhood and have found most of the mongering action as reported. I'll be posting new locations from a new neighborhood shortly.

Dear friend you are a Panamanian. No white men could go to that places without been robbed. You also take buses something that a foreigner never does in Panama. If you are not from Panama, them you should be Latin or Negro. Your reports are welcome but remember that white people is not common on these places.

[QUOTE=Sexy Boy]Dear friend you are a Panamanian. No white men could go to that places without been robbed. You also take buses something that a foreigner never does in Panama. If you are not from Panama, them you should be Latin or Negro. Your reports are welcome but remember that white people is not common on these places.[/QUOTE]
I do not agree. Excuse me, but you seem to have a misperception of the Panamenian environment hostility. Also, taking a bus in Panama is not really something that requires special braveness.
I took a bus for a 1hr trip outside Cd. Panama my second day there, one year ago. Really not that exciting neither "adventourous", as you seem to depict this experience.

Just to give you an idea, I am European, tanned but white. I cannot be defined as a Latino, but neither I look Irish or typical "gringo". I do not look as a killer or drug dealer (A), but it is true that I am not a fat-ass middle-age business-man who likes to wear golden watch and keeps an expensive cell hanged at belt at all times (B). This, just to make clear that my look is "average" between two extremes.

Well, the few places reported by MeatLoaf that I know are as he describes them. I never risked to be robbered, wherever I went in Cd.Panama. I would not recommend to go there at night, if you are similar to type B, but you dont have to look as type A to attempt those tours, to take a bus, to go to a 11$ (2hr) hotel (hey, they are not "cheesy", they are normal 2 or 3-stars hotels that are girl-friendly) at night, or even to go to the beach (!!).

Meat Loaf, once again, I hate you!!
If only I could have read your outstanding reports 2 weeks before....
Now I am back home, and I realize how many opportunities I missed.
OK for the next time, but I regret so much that I have been not aware of all that info. I had to discover what I could in 3 days, on my own.
On the other hand, I recognize that the value of these places consists precisely in that not many tourists know them or "dare" (dare???) to go there. Therefore, they are still a land where to run freely.
Meat Loaf, I wonder if it is not better if you confirm that Calidonia bars are dangerous.....
I hope to be back, and I hope those places will be still the same.

Two things:

1) I am a gringo living in the USA with Panamanian friends I visit often, and even by myself I do take the bus, for. 25 cents its cheap and efficient, not at all dangerous.

2) I would not go to those bars in Caledonia at night by myself, only with at least one ro more local friends, the character of Caledonia changes drastically after dark. I do go to Caledonia during the day to shop, and even during the day you can score girls by the casinos for $20 to $30. So why take the additional risk at night? During the day there are many students walking around as schools let them out. But by 7 at night those still on the street are either selling drugs, their bodies, or looking to rob someone. Yes there are police on the street, but not nearly as many police as are visible in the cangrejo.

[quote=sexy boy]meat loaf is panameno. dear friend you are a panamanian. no white men could go to that places without been robbed. you also take buses something that a foreigner never does in panama. if you are not from panama, them you should be latin or negro. your reports are welcome but remember that white people is not common on these places.[/quote]meat loaf is not panameno. before 3 weeks ago meat loaf knew nothing of cd. panama besides the noriega and the canal. meat loaf is a good 'ol yankee.

i'm more adventurous than some may choose to be 'cause i'm only 32 and athletic. i don't really dress fancy. but i portray lots of confidence and talk lots of shit. hence, nobody every challenges me. if i were confronted i'd be more than eager to defend myself since i chose to be here and wasn't forced (ie. born) to reside here.

i disagree with the "white" statement. everyone knows that the "white man" can go and does go to whatever country or city he wants to. hell, the entire international justice system exists for the "white" guys protection and benefit. criminals know the jail time is more for assaulting a "white" tourist, so if you don't look like it would be a good robbery, they're not going to even bother. everyone educated knows all the theft happens in the corporate office and boardroom. (ie. panama being the 5th largest banking center in the world.)

if a "white" guy or any guy is walking around looking goofy then he'll be prey in any usa city. america latina is no worse. hell, it's more dangerous to live in the usa than most of these countries with the race factor included.

aside: local populace like it when a "white" guy is cool and not some "rent-a-preppy" 'cause that's nothing more than some pirated clothing, but personality carries volumes and travels miles. each and every guy on this isg knows his across-the-board coolness factor and hence they travel within those circles where they feel cool. just for me, i'm cool across all levels and hence i can go to the aforementioned places 'cause i know i'll be cool.

[quote=paesano63]two things:

1) i am a gringo living in the usa with panamanian friends i visit often, and even by myself i do take the bus, for. 25 cents its cheap and efficient, not at all dangerous.

2) i would not go to those bars in caledonia at night by myself, only with at least one ro more local friends, the character of caledonia changes drastically after dark. i do go to caledonia during the day to shop, and even during the day you can score girls by the casinos for $20 to $30. so why take the additional risk at night? during the day there are many students walking around as schools let them out. but by 7 at night those still on the street are either selling drugs, their bodies, or looking to rob someone. yes there are police on the street, but not nearly as many police as are visible in the cangrejo. [/quote]"paesano63" is correct about the bus. he's also correct about 7 p. m. when the stores close. he's correct about the drug dealing, which i witnessed on sunday afternoon. he's also correct about the casino prices after negotiation. he's correct about the colleges letting out.

actually, one of the bar's, "felice, " is owned by some "white" people. another bar was owned by some chinos.

he should have mentioned the buffet of women at the "children's hospital. " great pick-up spot.

everyone knows of congrejo, marbella, paitilla, and el dorado. for those that don't want to party with the "rich folk" and "tourists, " calidonia is a good option. as mentioned earlier, i live in marbella and am surrounded by my economic and professional peers, but i'm not looking to make business deals when i party. i'm looking to have fun. furthermore, i really can't justify paying a lot of money for anything in america latina 'cause it's 2nd and 3rd world and hence the price level should be comparative. how does that sound to earn us income for the us market and pay us prices in a 3rd world market. hell, the gdp for panama is only us $15 billion. texas alone has us $1 trillion. (economics class complete.)

[quote=black page] well, the few places reported by meatloaf that i know are as he describes them. i never risked to be robbered, wherever i went in cd. panama. i would not recommend to go there at night, if you are similar to type b, but you don't have to look as type a to attempt those tours, to take a bus, to go to a 11$ (2hr) hotel (hey, they are not "cheesy", they are normal 2 or 3-stars hotels that are girl-friendly) at night, or even to go to the beach (! ).

meat loaf, once again, i hate you! if only i could have read your outstanding reports 2 weeks before. now i am back home, and i realize how many opportunities i missed. ok for the next time, but i regret so much that i have been not aware of all that info. i had to discover what i could in 3 days, on my own. on the other hand, i recognize that the value of these places consists precisely in that not many tourists know them or "dare" (dare? ) to go there. therefore, they are still a land where to run freely. meat loaf, i wonder if it is not better if you confirm that calidonia bars are dangerous. i hope to be back, and i hope those places will be still the same. [/quote]sorry "black page. " maybe the next time you come to cd. panama you'll be on mission attacking those mongering locales. actually, tourists are prevelant in casco viejo which has "la mayor. " although it's a little sketchy at night. i was a little more prepared as i walked those blocks for anything to kick-off and wouldn't do it again to be honest, but could if i had to. tourists are also prevelant in calidonia 'cause of all the $25 hotels, but they don't walk the 5 minute distance where the bars and stores are. i like to assimilate with the local populace when traveling, after all, that's the whole purpose of cultural exchange. i really don't want to be in a place that's trying to imulate the usa, which i'm trying to avoid.

i can't say if calidonia bars are safe or not, really. it's not high-end so don't go thinking it is or trying to act like richie rich. it's not poverty stricken, but may require some awareness of your surroundings. all i can do in this forumn is name places and disclose my activities. if you want to venture for yourself then that's what you have to do. at least you know where they are located. and hell those places are open during the day for a test run.

i wouldn't be too scared about calidonia 'cause you're only 1 block from the main strip with lots of people traffic, bus traffic, taxi traffic, police traffic- lots of witnesses. everyone will see the "white" guy getting robbed and then it just becomes are they going to help you like a decent human being, be fearful themselves, or go "anti-white" and encourage the robbery or assault. hell, if they help you prevent the assault they'd have a job for life as your bodyguard and probably receive immediate compensation. (laughing as i type.)

*** those calidonia places are open during the day for a test run fellas', and leave the rolex at the hotel. ***

[QUOTE=Johnnydh]So people, are there ZERO hotels left that are girl-friendly?

I find this hard to believe.

And by hotels I mean nice ones like Veneto and Continental, not some cheesy $10 motel.[/QUOTE]Johnnydh,

Was in PC about a month ago. Stayed at the Hotel Granada ([url]http://www.hotelesriande.com/granada/index.asp[/url]). Not a bad place at all. Couple blocks from Via Espana and Veneto. Easy walk, take taxi at night for about $3.

Found it relatively girl friendly. Couple times was able to get gal right by the desk and up to room without any question. Just looked comfortable together and like a couple and no one made a fuss. Did have a lady visit from Oasis late one nite and I had to come down to the front desk. Partially filled out a new registration card and charged $11 for additional person but nothing else.

BTW, had fantastic experience with Oasis outcall. Called up and had a gal at the hotel in about 15 minutes. Beautiful blonde Columbiana, "Melissa". Spoke decent english. $80 for an hour, FullService, very nice time.

[QUOTE=Black Page]I apologize for repeating, but I feel the need to quote my report
[post]656563[/post]

where I wrote:

"Why all you guys are so sorry that your Veneto or Continental Riande are not chica-friendly anymore? Are you happy of bringing somebody you dont know in your room, where you have everything that belongs to your life?

There are so cheap and good alternatives!

Avoid at any cost hotels suggested by taxi drivers.

I recommend the hotel "Los Arcos". Any taxi driver knows it. It is in Bellavista, 5 minutes from la Bodeguita, 2-3 blocks South of Via Espana,if I am not wrong on Arusemena. Price: 11$ for 2 hours (yes). The rooms are clean, well furnished and you can have a shower without feeling dirty *after* it. Los Arcos is a chain of budget hotels that is not bad."[/QUOTE]Excellent advice. Just wanted to confirm the address of "Residencial Los Arcos" which is between Ave. Justo Arosemena and Calle 44.

[QUOTE=Tbuss]Thanks for posting Black Page, If I could just comment on two things for new guys coming down here. As someone who lives here I'd prefer these situations not get worse.

Best not to overpay at all. No fare anywhere a monger is going in the city should be over $1.75. Ask them how much it will be before you get in, if it's over that amount get another cab, or once you've got a little idea of what fares are, just give the the correct amount on the way out. $3 is almost double of what the fare should probably be, just because your a tourist doesn't mean it should cost you more. The more people who pay this the more taxista's will do it, the easier it is for them the more common and the higher the fares will go. Hold the line at the correct price, why voluteer to get ripped off. No need to tip, if you tip they will just think you want to get rid of your money and will raise the price on the next tourist.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Don't let the taxi guys take advantage of you. You never have to pay above 2 bucks going anywhere in the city and you don't need to tip. The taxi fare structure is $1 for the taxi itself and 25 cents for every passenger. So if you're going on your own, you only need to pay 1.25. Also don't ask the taxi to drop you right at the establishment cause he'll definately overcharge. My advice is to take a look at the map and get an idea of where you're heading too so that you won't face any surprises.

Map: [url]http://www.republicofpanama.net/Interactive_Maps_of_Panama/[/url] or buy the Mapi map($3) from any bookstore like "El Hombre de la Mancha."

Btw, just to give you an idea of distances, if we use Veneto as the starting point, a taxi cab ride to El Dorado mall is between 10-15 min; a ride to Albrook Mall is also 10-15 minutes; a ride to Multi Plaza is 10 min; and a ride to Parque Omar Torrijos is 10 min...traffic notwithstanding. Basically Panama city is quite easy to travel around in.

[QUOTE=Bill Ginn]Johnnydh,

Was in PC about a month ago. Stayed at the Hotel Granada ([url]http://www.hotelesriande.com/granada/index.asp[/url]). Not a bad place at all. Couple blocks from Via Espana and Veneto. Easy walk, take taxi at night for about $3.

Found it relatively girl friendly. [/QUOTE]Thanks Bill.

Can anyone tell me if the Marriott is still girl-friendly?

I went to Caribbean Center Spa last week for the first time in many months and was surprised by many changes.

First, the entry foyer has changed, you now enter and look to your right through glass to the girls sitting in a well-lit parlour. You make your selection without the chance to chat with the women (so I guess, I didn't ask).

I selected a thin olive skinned chiricana I rated a 7 given her pretty face and hair, and a thin but not exceptional body. I paid my $70 and went to the room. Now, apparently each room has a "shower". It is 2 cheap plexiglas walls in the corner of the room, not at all sturdy but with warm water.

The woman performed a reasonably decent massage. I remarked that I am always surprised by the effort they put into massages there, and she responded that they are trained to do so. Sure, it's not professional, but much better than the perfunctory rubdown at Golden Time or Oasis.

We got down to getting it on after the standard cbj, cowgirl, etc. It was pretty routine, but I was fairly impressed that the woman seemed to be enjoying it. It always seems to me that the pros are either in it for the money, or in it for the money and for the sex. I may be naive for posting that, but it's just an observation.

Hey fellas,

Comin back to PC at end of this month for my second visit. Staying at the Crowne Plaza -- is it still chica friendly? Seems like this status changes often with PC hotels. Also, how's the Veneto now? Are they still cracking down?

Thanks in advance for your advice. I hope to post another 'part deux' report.

Peace, M

I have no clue about the Crowne Plaza, because I live in Panama and do not frequent hotels. The Veneto is the WORST I have EVER seen it. Absolutely NO Colombian girls, if your LUCKY you will get a few NORMAL looking panama chicas working it. The Veneto is fucked. You are much better off going to Habanos or something of the sort.

Free

Agree, I was at the Veneto last night and went back out within 15 minutes, I didn't even stay for a beer.

Oasis next door had an ok selection, mostly 5-7 but I found a nice 8 in the bunch (Colombiana of course). $80 later we were practicing Salsa in my room.

She was pretty nice but wouldn't do DFK which I like. Oh well, I still had a good time. I was pretty tired after a long flight so I did her only one time. She asked if I wanted a 2nd round which was nice and professional of her but by then I was more thinking about a good night sleep. It kills me to choose sleep over sex but it was one of those times and I sent her on her way.