Cali Reports

[QUOTE=Rob Hay]

... Ricker your the man and all and your the one whos posts convinced me to go to both Cali and Caracas but I'd have to take Cali over just about any other city in latin america ... [/QUOTE]

Well the only thing I'm sure about is the arepas. They are definitely better in Venezuela.

As far as chicas, IMHO, I've never seen so many hot hot chicas than in Caracas. From experience though, and like Rob Hay says, they are not as approachable as the Calena.

Colombianas in general are more down to earth than the Venezolana in my experience, and the PFP is cheaper in Colombia generally.

It's not a rule though, cause I've had some sweet sweet Venezuelan novias too, and have found some great PFP, especially in Maracaibo.

If I had to choose a visit, I'd pick Medellin or Cali over a visit to Caracas these days. The country (Colombia) and the cities are much more user friendly.
Fortunately, I have to visit both for work :)

But, I just met the prettiest chica from Barranquilla, her dad is from Bogota and her mom a costena from Barranquilla ... a great combo she is ... and a cool chica too.
I'm off to Barranquilla pronto!

Suerte amigos!

[QUOTE=Ricker]Well the only thing I'm sure about is the arepas. They are definitely better in Venezuela.

As far as chicas, IMHO, I've never seen so many hot hot chicas than in Caracas. From experience though, and like Rob Hay says, they are not as approachable as the Calena.

Colombianas in general are more down to earth than the Venezolana in my experience, and the PFP is cheaper in Colombia generally.

It's not a rule though, cause I've had some sweet sweet Venezuelan novias too, and have found some great PFP, especially in Maracaibo.
[/QUOTE]


I would concur with Ricker and RHay, but it should be kept in in mind that caraqueñas (and os for that matter) tend to be more stuck up than girls from other cities in the country, especially from the higher end social strata that you will meet, especially the so called super high end types RHay likes)

[QUOTE=Catire]I would concur with Ricker and RHay, but it should be kept in in mind that caraqueñas (and os for that matter) tend to be more stuck up than girls from other cities in the country, especially from the higher end social strata that you will meet, especially the so called super high end types RHay likes)[/QUOTE]I am guess that is where all the hot lighter skinned women are. They normally are high end in Latin America.

also who in their right mind chases higher end chicas? it just seems like a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Master Yoda]
also who in their right mind chases higher end chicas? it just seems like a waste of time.[/QUOTE]


RHay is (in)famous for chasing specifically that kind. Different strokes for different folks. I would agree it´s a waste of time, given you have all these 7´s and 8´s around without the attitude, etc that the so called 9´s and 10´s bring. (but like I said different strokes etc).I would also say that many if not most of these so called 9´s and 10´s have already had various degrees of plastic surgery and I hate plastics.

in a place like Caracas, the so called 9´s 10´s are going to have Venezuelans with money after them (and there are plenty who have it). Those Venezuelans will be smoother and bring more to the table than the so called rich gringo, especially an old one, so a so called gringo cannot effectively compete.

but it´d be a mistake to say the CCS scene ends for someone at 30. Depends on you and how you look. The Venezuelan vanity culture extends to men a little more than in does in Colombia so the competition can be stiff.

[QUOTE=Catire] The Venezuelan vanity culture extends to men a little more than in does in Colombia so the competition can be stiff.[/QUOTE]

If anyone wants to see this vanity in the flesh go work out at the Valle Ariba Athletic Club. This is where every novella star in Caracas works out, definately the most beautiful people under one roof you will ever see. Even the receptionists are hot.

Master Yoda,
I dont want to take too much space on Cali forum talking about Caracas but for me the chase is as much fun as the actual sexual act. The game and the wooing is more exciting sometimes than the act. If you are really interested in Caracas take a look at my postings from about 3, 4 years back on Caracas with some pics in TSM and WSA. They are quite extensive, not sure why i didnt post them here on ISG at the time, i think there was a problem with this database at the time??? Check out Rockman's report as well for reference. Before he married a former miss Colombia contestant, I convinced him to go to Caracas just to take a look/ bacholor party. Rockman is infamous for chasing only the highest class and he left satisfied and ready to get married.. You can use these references to decide if that place is for you.

But back to Cali....
Theres a wealth of experience on this board as far for Cali. And everyone seems to be saying Cali is the way to go, so would trust their judgement on this one. Alot of guys here have vast Caracas experience but yet Cali is on our mind so that should tell you something. Everyone here have a ton of contacts for whatever your looking for so I would use these resources to your advantage. I'm not aware but am sad to hear that safety has taken a turn for the worst in Cali. But i dont believe violence has struck anywhere near Granada where i stayed.

Thanks rob Hay. I agree its a cali board so lets stick to Cali or just latin women in general.

[QUOTE=Catire]RHay is (in)famous for chasing specifically that kind. Different strokes for different folks. I would agree it´s a waste of time, given you have all these 7´s and 8´s around without the attitude, etc that the so called 9´s and 10´s bring.[/QUOTE]
I just don't see why so many gringos think all the hottest of women are in the upper class. Rob Hay is different becuase he enjoys the cat and mouse chase but most gringos wouldn't even spit at a girl unless she was upper society. Surely one can find a knock out 9' or 10 in lower to middle classes too. There just may not be as many in those classes.

One thing I hate is when I about upper class women is their ability to do nothing. I mean when I was in DR I was dating this woman from a humble backround and every night she cooked dinner for me. Never got this from snobby girls.

[quote]in a place like Caracas, the so called 9´s 10´s are going to have Venezuelans with money after them (and there are plenty who have it). Those Venezuelans will be smoother and bring more to the table than the so called rich gringo, especially an old one, so a so called gringo cannot effectively compete.

but it´d be a mistake to say the CCS scene ends for someone at 30. Depends on you and how you look. The Venezuelan vanity culture extends to men a little more than in does in Colombia so the competition can be stiff.[/QUOTE]Well I can only compare this to my experience in Santiago, dominican republic and this is fairly upper class place. Its more about time and money. If you go expat and you have money you will have more opportunities to meet them.

If your a weekend tourist in Santiago, well you can forget it.

Just came back from my Cali/ San andres trip 16 days of paradise. One thing I noticed that has changed since I was there earlier this year for the Feria. The Taxis you board from the Airport go to the guard tower and get a standard tariff issued. They ask where you are going and issue a reciept stating how much you should be charged. This will guarenty you will not get ripped of. I have experienced first hand taxi drivers know you are not from Colombia and try to charge you extra. Once I took a cab from the airport to my girlfriends house they tried charging me 50,000 Col. My girlfriend apporached the taxi driver and asked what he was trying to pull. The taxi driver agreed on 35,000.
This trip to my girls house because of the mandated charge this time came to 31,500. This is great for us tourists. Also its safer since if something happens the gate before exiting the airport takes the license plate number of the taxi.
I think this is a good system the city Palmira came up with.

For those of you that dont know the Airport by Cali is not in the city of Cali the airport is in the city of Palmira.

airport taxis are almost always a scam, it´s good to see an upfront system. thanks.

as to CCS upper end gyms, I went to a few and quickly ran like hell because the pricing was outrageous, and the equipment sucked for what I wanted and needed it for. Lots of posers.

that´s why I joined a hard core gym at a student price LOL.

the true places where the real real upper classes hang out in Caracas bring new meaning to the idea of stuck up. The only interesting thing is that in Venezuela, unlike almost everywhere else in Latin America, being a gringo among intellectuals and upper classes and old money does NOT work against you.

If you've been to Cali more than once I would recommend to not take the taxis but rather a collectivo. Taxis from the airport are very expensive. Basically they have a fixed rate from the airport to the bridge into Cali and then turn on the meter once they pass over the bridge. I think the rate to the bridge is $32,000 COP so you really can't get anywhere for less than $35,000.

In contrast you can take a collectivo from the airport, which are always available, and it is less than $4,000 (don't recall if it is 3200 or 3400). If you know where you are going along the route then they will drop you off, get dropped off and take a taxi, or you could wait un hit the terminal and then take a taxi from there. Typically you'll save yourself about $30,000.

For me it's less about the actual $$ and more about traveling like a local and not feeling like I'm getting ripped off because at $30k plus for a relatively short taxi ride it is way too expensive.

Cheers,

Dwayne

Dwayne, I of course completely agree with but there is one potential problem and it basically depends on how much luggage you are carrying and how expensive something inside that luggage might be.

if you have some big suitcases and are carrying valuables, then in the larger scheme of things, one can bite the bullet and get fucked in the usual airport taxi scam.

but speaking of taxis, one of the most commonly used phrases here is about "...Clinica de Amor (every taxi will know where it is)..."

since many of the sex tourists, aka "serious mongers" stay at the Apthotel Rio, I think it would truly be amusing, (and even more so for the Colombian taxista) to take a taxi from there to one of the casas, including that one, when a person with a good arm can probably hit the place with a rock.

Most of them should walk the block or two to that place and many others. I suspect they need the exercise.

[QUOTE=Dwayne]If you've been to Cali more than once I would recommend to not take the taxis but rather a collectivo. Taxis from the airport are very expensive. [/QUOTE]Yeah those bastards charged us I think 40 or 40k last time from the airport to the hotel. I thought it was cool though because from the hotel to the airport the other guy charged the same thing. And believe me, I do haggle. But Dwayne, what is the latest hour for the collectivo? Would you still recommend taking it past a certain time? For instance if I were to arrive in Cali at 10pm? I usually stay in Bogota for the night then if I am going to a different city I make the trek the next morning.

Ya, Collectivo is an option however my plane ride from the states is about 7 hours. Therfore I want to get where im going to quickly as convienent as possible. I usually have a carry on and 2 checked in lugaages with all my valuables therfore taking a collectivo and transfering to a taxi is not an option.
Dont get me wrong I take collectivos all the time once I have settled in. On numerous ocassions and are pretty safe.I have taken collectivos to fincas outside Cali. I went to San Siprano and Calima on collectivos. They are the way to go, safe money and it add to the trip.
My girl lives in Palmira and we always take the collectivo Palmira Express to the Cali terminal for 2900 Col. Then hop on a taxi to where we want to go if the destination is in Cali. A Taki ride from palmira to cali is 52,000 Col. Collectivo under 6000 for me and my honey. You do the math......
Aparthotel.. is a great location to stay at while in Cali I recommended it to a couple of people I stayed there twice on my mongering expeditions. Walk to Dr. Amor, and Pharos. There is two other spots near also I forgot the names I think they can be found on the lists. Also there is a great litle disco you can pic up non pros at the disco in las torres de cali which is also 2 blocks from Aparthotel del Rio.

Whatever you do Be Safe........

[QUOTE=Artful]I was in Cali one year ago. Didn't care too much for the town and had a very bad experience:

There was a big salsa gig at Rumbodromo. Loads of famous Salsa acts (that I'd never heard of) and it went on for hours. I was with my amiga y su hermana, but after several (let's say 7) hours of salsa I'd had enough and decided to leave solo. It was around 2am by this time so, although not wasted, I was pretty drunk. I left the club and took the first taxi outside. Big mistake.

I told him my hotel, Tore de Cali, and he sped off. After a minute or so he began to ask me questions, which I mostly ignored. After a few more minutes we suddenly stopped. In jumps 3 guys, one at each side of me and one in the front. As if I wasn't frightened enough, the guy to my right had a gun pointed at my neck to kindly remind me of the severity of the situation.

They took everything off me. I had my wallet with me so they politely asked me for my PIN numbers which, considering the gun pointed at my neck, I gave them. So we spent the next couple of hours driving from ATM to ATM, withdrawing as much money as they could. Finally they reached my card limits and, miracle of miracles, they drove to some abandonded area of Cali and let me go.

A pretty unpleasant experience, but let's be clear about one thing: I was a complete fool. I left a club at 2am alone and I stumbled into a taxi without checking its credentials. So, two big mistakes and I paid the price. The point is though, that Cali, in fact Colombia as a whole, as much as love the place, is a place where you can't afford to let your guard slip. It's not ready for mainstream tourism.

My general advice: don't go there if you can't speak Spanish, and if you can ALWAYS ALWAYS keep your guard up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational]
A third mistake was having your wallet with you with cards! Whenever I travel I leave everything (passport wallet and contents) in the safe (if there is one; if not I find a hiding place) where I am staying. I only venture around with a laminated copy of my passport reduced to ID card size, and the money that I plan on spending at that particular moment that I am away from the "home base", both held together with a rubber band.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MJG Dogs]That is 100% correct, or better yet a second "dummy wallet" with what Mr. enternational says. Hey if you get robbed you only loses a few pesos. Also leave the god damm Rolex back in the states also......[/QUOTE]
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This is a wake up call to all mongers,
1. Carry only local currence enough to cover your expenses for the day.
2. Never get drunk if you are alone.
3. Never trust the girl to watch out for you unless it is your GF for a long time.
4. I still do not understand why people carry their wallets in a foreign country.
5. Being tough looking is no excuse.
6. Always lock up your valuables and if there are no safes hide somewhere.
7. People learn from mistakes. I also had the misfortune to leave my cell phone on the desk and the girl stole it. She made some overseas calls which cost me more than four pussies even though I cancelled it next day. This happened in DR. Make sure you have a loading phone so all you can loose is the phone and the load money. As for me I had to make many overseas calls for business , so I kept the same phone service. After that I always lock up phone and use a cheap phone.
8. Even the money you carry, do not keep all in your one pocket. Because there are many pick pockets including girls.

[QUOTE=Sammon]This is a wake up call to all mongers,
1. Carry only local currence enough to cover your expenses for the day.
2. Never get drunk if you are alone.
3. Never trust the girl to watch out for you unless it is your GF for a long time.
4. I still do not understand why people carry their wallets in a foreign country.
5. Being tough looking is no excuse.
6. Always lock up your valuables and if there are no safes hide somewhere.
7. People learn from mistakes. I also had the misfortune to leave my cell phone on the desk and the girl stole it. She made some overseas calls which cost me more than four pussies even though I cancelled it next day. This happened in DR. Make sure you have a loading phone so all you can loose is the phone and the load money. As for me I had to make many overseas calls for business , so I kept the same phone service. After that I always lock up phone and use a cheap phone.
8. Even the money you carry, do not keep all in your one pocket. Because there are many pick pockets including girls.[/QUOTE]

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