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[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1849194]I have been there a couple of times. All I can say is do not waste your time. The bars are run down and mostly dregs hang out there chatting up with pensioners who like to start the day with a beer.[/QUOTE]I agree. Been there a few times and to some of the bars. Never saw reason to go back.
[QUOTE=Havefun1;1849293]I am new to the mongering scene and Pattaya so I kindly take all the advice I can. My questions are mostly about the freelancers on beach road and how to have the best experience I can.
How long is ST vs LT for these girls, is there a standard amount of hours or is this negotiable?(Same in gogo?
Price for ST vs LT? I have only read about 500-1200 baht but don't know how long that is considered.
Can I have sex multiple times during the session or only 1 shot?
Will they have condoms or do I need to have all of that ready?
My reception during nighttime seems kinda dead and is almost not looking up when I walk by so will that be a problem if he doesn't take ID from the girl? Should I stand there and insist on it?
Is a shower standard with the girl after you get to the hotel?
I can spot ladyboys pretty well I think but if I found out its a ladyboy in the room how should I handle that situation? Read that they can get a little bit aggressive. Should I ask on the street first? Seems a little bit awkward.[/QUOTE]My advice would be to read some of the reports where your questions will be answered. If that doesn't work, spend the 20 bucks for a membership and pm some members for answers to your questions.
[QUOTE=HaveFun1;1849293]I am new to the mongering scene and Pattaya so I kindly take all the advice I can. My questions are mostly about the freelancers on beach road and how to have the best experience I can.
1. How long is ST vs LT for these girls, is there a standard amount of hours or is this negotiable?(Same in gogo?
2. Price for ST vs LT? I have only read about 500-1200 baht but don't know how long that is considered.
3. Can I have sex multiple times during the session or only 1 shot?
4. Will they have condoms or do I need to have all of that ready?
5. My reception during nighttime seems kinda dead and is almost not looking up when I walk by so will that be a problem if he doesn't take ID from the girl? Should I stand there and insist on it?
6. Is a shower standard with the girl after you get to the hotel?
7. I can spot ladyboys pretty well I think but if I found out its a ladyboy in the room how should I handle that situation? Read that they can get a little bit aggressive. Should I ask on the street first? Seems a little bit awkward.[/QUOTE]My answers will be:
1. Negotiable highly, ST 1 HR vs LT 5-6 hrs.
2. 500-1200 sounds like a lot of negotiating, generally you will get 800-2000.
3. Multiple times allowed in LT only though I rarely hear anyone going above 3.
4. Better to have your own, most of them do have.
5. Reception will always ask for ID if they have a reputation to keep. Hang around the lobby at night to see how this particular hotel deals with "visitors". Insist if you like to play safe, WGs always carry their ID.
6. You are in charge since you are paying. Most gals are fine with just a little wash and not a full blown shower.
7. There is some fun in asking WGs if they are LBs. They will grab your hand and put it between their legs to prove beyond doubt. I love to cop that feel If it feels awkward, try practicing with random WGs. After 10 awkward encounters, you might start loving it.
[QUOTE=HaveFun1;1849293]
How long is ST vs LT for these girls, is there a standard amount of hours or is this negotiable?(Same in gogo?
[/QUOTE]ST is normally 1 shot (BBBJ + FS), with associate shower and a bit of play before and after, depending on the girl and your chemistry. In Pattaya, it should generally be more relaxed and much more friendly than in other typical quickie-one-shot setups elsewhere. For me, this takes anywhere from 30 min to 2 h, though the latter is becoming less common.
LT is the entire night, with two shots in the evening an one in the morning, if you can manage. The girl should stay until you wake up and hang out for that last shot. Some try to leave early (at some ungodly morning hour), and their compensation should be cut accordingly (though, be prepared for an argument).
[QUOTE=HaveFun1]
Price for ST vs LT? I have only read about 500-1200 baht but don't know how long that is considered.
[/QUOTE]On Beach Road, ST is 500-1000 baht, with going rate being about 700. These days, I doubt many there would go for LT at all, but I think a fair rate would be 1500, though if it really is late, 1000 might be OK.
[QUOTE=HaveFun1]
Can I have sex multiple times during the session or only 1 shot?
[/QUOTE]For ST, standard is one shot. You're free to try to negotiate whatever you like, such as specific amount of time, second shot or non-standard sex acts, but it won't happen if the girls is unwilling. Girls are free agents, not controlled by a pimp, so they can agree to whatever they're comfortable with, and spend as much time with you as they like, up to an including marrying you.
[QUOTE=HaveFun1]
Will they have condoms or do I need to have all of that ready?
[/QUOTE]Most likely they will, but better have your own condoms and lube / KY to avoid any surprises.
[QUOTE=HaveFun1]
My reception during nighttime seems kinda dead and is almost not looking up when I walk by so will that be a problem if he doesn't take ID from the girl? Should I stand there and insist on it?
[/QUOTE]Yes, ask the reception to take the ID, and they will do so, even at the cheapest of the hotels.
[QUOTE=HaveFun1]
Is a shower standard with the girl after you get to the hotel?
[/QUOTE]The girls always take a shower, before and after sex, and expect you to do so yourself too. Whether you'll take a shower together is up to you to ask. Some are OK with it, others are not. Sometimes they prefer to shower alone for whatever reason (too shy / taking a big dump / messaging a friend).
[QUOTE=HaveFun1]
if I found out its a ladyboy in the room how should I handle that situation? Read that they can get a little bit aggressive. Should I ask on the street first?
[/QUOTE]Indeed, if you're unsure, always ask first. It's not the politest thing in the world, but they're hookers, I'm sure they've been asked many times before.
If you discover any deal-breaker in the room before the session begins (possibly after the shower, but before you had BJ or sex), you can send a girl back with a token goodwill payment (maybe 100-200 baht for Beach Road girls). Try to be polite about this (make up some mild excuse, even if it's obvious bullshit), and never argue with your pants down. It's always a bit of a delicate act, and yes, they could potentially get aggressive, but only if you're rude about it or they feel they should push you around.
After you get a BJ or sex starts, you're pretty much obliged to pay the full agreed amount.
[QUOTE=Haven123;1848651] I am more of freelancer guy and in Latin American countries I stay focused on the Latin Cupid girls, even though I am not Latin American and don't speak Spanish either! LOL. I generally go to Latin Countries with about 25-50 contacts that I develop ahead of time via Latin Cupid! LOL. And usually when I meet these contacts at a dance club they seem to also find me semi attractive and I score 95 % of time, and without ever talking about money ahead of time.
So, for someone like me, what do you recommend as a strategy for Pattaya? Thanks guys. You seem to very successful with your time in Pattaya, which is why I ask.
[/QUOTE]It sounds like you will fit right in at Ibar / Insomnia. Best to get there around 1 Am or so. It's definitely worth it to get a bottle if you don't drink beer. Don't be shy about approaching girls you like and inviting them to have a drink. 90% of them are there to pickup a guy for the night.
Be nice, respectful, polite and smile. If things aren't going your way just stick with it. They always seem to turn around in this town.
Happy hunting!
Uncle-V.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1849464]Some try to leave early (at some ungodly morning hour), and their compensation should be cut accordingly (though, be prepared for an argument)...
After you get a BJ or sex starts, you're pretty much obliged to pay the full agreed amount.[/QUOTE]Could be taken as a contradiction.
Just did a google maps search for Kinaree Place. Maps noted that Kinaree is closed permanently. Is that true?
[QUOTE=Maila;1848608]I'll give I-bar a try not sure really sure about getting a girl at the clubs based on my good looks and charm. I'm not old but not fit these days. Really need to get back into running and get fit again. Shooting to do that in spring / summer. I might look to coming back to SE Asia in either May or July and then have a better shot. Fortunately, I am able to travel frequently.
[/QUOTE]You should try the Paleo diet, it's a lot less work than getting back into running.
[QUOTE=Allover;1849491]Just did a google maps search for Kinaree Place. Maps noted that Kinaree is closed permanently. Is that true?[/QUOTE]From their FB page seems open.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1849490]Could be taken as a contradiction.[/QUOTE]To clarify, for the ST, I think you have to to pay the full agreed amount once bed activities start (BJ or FS), but up to that point, if you want to cancel for whatever reason (including changing your mind), a token payment is enough.
LT is a whole different matter. If she clearly doesn't deliver on the LT (which for me means 2 evening + 1 morning shots, unless I feel otherwise), she's due a reduced fee, normally a ST going rate (of not specified in advance). However, at that point if she's ready to provide the service, but the punter changes his mind, I think the full LT fee is only fair. It's a bit tricky.
Personally, I rarely settle on LT outright, since chemistry is impossible to predict, and I don't want to sleep next to someone who doesn't want to be there. However, if after an ST we're both happy, occasionally I ask the girl whether she minds staying (for a bit of extra money, of course). No flakes that way (so far).
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1849227]You seriously think that The Booze Lounge and places like it are run down and mostly dregs hang out there? Or are you just trying to keep him away?[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha. Mr E if you have read some of my FR's you might notice that I have no such intention. What I stated is purely my opinion based on my tastes and preferences in women. The places I have visited are LE Rouge, The Venue, Kik, Black Sheep, The Booze Lounge, Pacha & Thirsty Beaver. Did not see a reason to hang around or visit again. And I will stick to that opinion till I go back and find a reason to change it. Maybe you have some information that might change my mind? 5555.
Happy mongering!
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1849596]What I stated is purely my opinion based on my tastes and preferences in women. The places I have visited are LE Rouge, The Venue, Kik, Black Sheep, The Booze Lounge, Pacha & Thirsty Beaver. Did not see a reason to hang around or visit again. And I will stick to that opinion till I go back and find a reason to change it. Maybe you have some information that might change my mind?[/QUOTE]Nahh. I don't know shit. I was just talking. I have been to the Booze Lounge with some guys who live over that way. They all had a girl next to them. I really didn't even want one. Not really my type and I'm probably the least picky guy in Pattaya. I have seen Pacha from outside. The others I know nothing about.
I'm not a bar/gogo guy anyway. I used to be big on the discos, but these days I pretty much meet regular chicks or paid chicks out in the daytime and get them to come over and stay the night.
[QUOTE=Allover;1849491]Just did a google maps search for Kinaree Place. Maps noted that Kinaree is closed permanently. Is that true?[/QUOTE]Was open as of last Satutday. I went there for their 6 year anniversary party. Good time.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1849637]I'm not a bar/gogo guy anyway. I used to be big on the discos, but these days I pretty much meet regular chicks or paid chicks out in the daytime and get them to come over and stay the night.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I read your about your exploits and I think this is the right way forward. Someone pointed out that the scene as it exists today won't last long. Maybe true!
I did Skyfall, Insomnia, the I-Bar, and ended up at Sensations.
Skyfall was a bit disappointing, there was a drunk girl seating next to me who kept pressuring me to pick a girl. I had to escalate my refusals more and more forcefully to get her to shut up, and that destroyed my mojo.
At Sensations, there was a girl dancing who was really slutty. Her number was 84, and on the bill for her lady drink it printed as Sontang, but she said her name was Wonsen. Go figure. I bar-fined her for 1,000 Baht and we agreed on 2000 short time. I took her to Oasis. Not a newbie, this one, she'd been there innumerable times.
Her body was so-so. She had a weird tattoo on her tummy. I don't know why I overlooked it in the go-go bar while she was dancing. But that wasn't why I had brought her in. I brought her in because she oozed sex. I knew I was pretty drunk and would last a long time, so I wanted one I could bang every which way. And that I did. She's clearly seen miles of cock in her life and she just can't get enough of the stuff.
She's pretty passive / submissive, so any attempt to put her on top of me was blocked. She wanted it missionary, doggy, and any angle in between. You know the old joke: where do women's legs look the best? Behind their ears. That was her position for half the night. Maybe half her waking hours, to be honest. She was really into it. In the end the lack of clock-watching and her willingness to get pounded hard got the better of me, and she earned her money.
Would I recommend? No, her body wasn't good enough. But I recommend banging every once in a while an authentic slutt just for the heck of it.