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Barfine questions for the more experienced guys.

1. a waitress asked me out to go do some non sexual activity we both have in common. If we only go out and not have sex is she expecting any payment for her time? If we do have sex iI assume she is expecting money. Do I need to barfine a waitress from a club / bar?

2. if a girl does not go to work one night in a gogo club does she still have to pay the club a barfine fee?

3. if I hang out with 4 girls in the daytime (lunch and movie) are they expecting some money or is me paying for the lunch and movie they want to see sufficient? If expecting what is appropriate for gogo girls?

[QUOTE=Socker;1850904]A top girl in a BKK or Patts gogo can do 2 4000 b STs per night easy.[/QUOTE]Good lord, you mean to say 4,000 baht is a short time? That's mind-boggling. I thought he meant long time. Last I heard, those overpriced joints were charging 2,000 for a short time.

I guess if I had this kind of money to throw around, I wouldn't come to Thailand!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1851139]Barfine questions for the more experienced guys.

1. a waitress asked me out to go do some non sexual activity we both have in common. If we only go out and not have sex is she expecting any payment for her time? If we do have sex iI assume she is expecting money. Do I need to barfine a waitress from a club / bar?

2. if a girl does not go to work one night in a gogo club does she still have to pay the club a barfine fee?

3. if I hang out with 4 girls in the daytime (lunch and movie) are they expecting some money or is me paying for the lunch and movie they want to see sufficient? If expecting what is appropriate for gogo girls?[/QUOTE]No sex usually means no payment, sex means something is expected. Remember, Thai's will wai for any money you give them, that doesn't mean they are happy with taxi fare only. Yes, you have to barfine any employee since the club is paying their salary. Girl has to work or pay the barfine herself. Only way they can get out of the barfine is to finish work and then come over.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1851139]Barfine questions for the more experienced guys.

1. a waitress asked me out to go do some non sexual activity we both have in common. If we only go out and not have sex is she expecting any payment for her time? If we do have sex iI assume she is expecting money. Do I need to barfine a waitress from a club / bar?
[/QUOTE]If you take her out during her working time, the bar will expect to receive a barfine. The barfine will compensate the bar for the wages they pay the girl.

Whether she wants to receive some money to spend some time with you, depends on what you negotiate with her.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1851139]2. if a girl does not go to work one night in a gogo club does she still have to pay the club a barfine fee?
[/QUOTE]Yes.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1851139]
3. if I hang out with 4 girls in the daytime (lunch and movie) are they expecting some money or is me paying for the lunch and movie they want to see sufficient? If expecting what is appropriate for gogo girls?
[/QUOTE]Generally speaking, you paying for the movie and lunch should be enough.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1851184]If you take her out during her working time, the bar will expect to receive a barfine. The barfine will compensate the bar for the wages they pay the girl.

Whether she wants to receive some money to spend some time with you, depends on what you negotiate with her.

Yes.

Generally speaking, you paying for the movie and lunch should be enough.[/QUOTE]I remember in sensation go go. I was sitting and one cute waitress was hitting on me. So I offered her why don't you come with me. She was denying earlier and later said OK. So I asked barfine was 1000 baht. And she wanted 1000 more to come join me for fun but she was saying going out for drink club and no discussion of sex. I asked her if she likes will it be possible to have sex. I can pay more. But she was giving some excuses so I dropped the idea. So if you barfine a waitress make sure you discuss with her everything in advance like you do with normal go go girls.

Like I said in my previous post, I already have decided to try my last girl one more time. But something happened which I just can't forget.

I called up the the girl multiple timers in daytime, but always got reply she would come by 12 o'clock night. Around 11 pm, I pinged her to come immediately. Apparently she was having a ST session with somebody I doubt. Anyway I was getting late for my dinner so hit a restaurant around 11:20 pm. I ordered food and about to start suddenly her call comes and she is asking for my hotel address. I told the address to her & asked to was wait for 10 mins. After 2 minutes she calls me and telling I'm leaving since you aren't coming. I requested her to was air for 2 minutes and ran for my hotel. But I couldn't believe she simply left. Called her up and requested to come, but all in vain. A after 30 minutes of long back to back calls she says she wouldn't come since I lied her by saying 10 minutes but didn't come. She was not ready to understand anything. Finally I gave up and slept alone. I just don't get it WTF had happened.

Later she said she would come come tomorrow. And due to this girl I ignored a nice spinner in beach Rd. Now I'm confused whether I should believe her or not, just out of my mind. Somebody please explain.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1851139]

Barfine questions for the more experienced guys.



[/QUOTE]Just a note. One Soi 6 bargirl told me that if they miss work, they must pay a bar fine! I guess in a way that makes sense, as it provides incentive for the girls to show up each day, but to be ill and have to pay to stay home is the pits. Paid sick leave is a foreign concept to these girls.

I just came home from 808. There is a chick there who dances in front of whatever guy is sitting in a particular spot every night. This girl never leaves with anyone though. Instead, she always goes to the next club to party more. Well tonight the lucky guy happened to be spending, spending, spending on drinks for this girl and a couple of her friends, one of which I am intimately acquainted.

I wanted so bad to tell the guy to stop buying all of those damn drinks. But you know how mfs are. If I would have told him that then he would have thought I was hating and it is his money, blah, blah, blah. Well just like clockwork the girl was out of there as she does every night, leaving him with his dick in his hand and a confused look on his face wondering what had happened.

So just a reminder. The same way you should ask a chick in a bar or gogo if she will leave with you before you go spending on drinks, this same thing holds in discos. And these days it seems that the girls are more into partying with their friends than leaving with guys. So drink buyer beware.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1851256]I just came home from 808. There is a chick there who dances in front of whatever guy is sitting in a particular spot every night. This girl never leaves with anyone though. Instead, she always goes to the next club to party more. Well tonight the lucky guy happened to be spending, spending, spending on drinks for this girl and a couple of her friends, one of which I am intimately acquainted.

I wanted so bad to tell the guy to stop buying all of those damn drinks. But you know how mfs are. If I would have told him that then he would have thought I was hating and it is his money, blah, blah, blah. Well just like clockwork the girl was out of there as she does every night, leaving him with his dick in his hand and a confused look on his face wondering what had happened.

So just a reminder. The same way you should ask a chick in a bar or gogo if she will leave with you before you go spending on drinks, this same thing holds in discos. And these days it seems that the girls are more into partying with their friends than leaving with guys. So drink buyer beware.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. Deal before the meal. I wonder why it is so hard for people to get this simple concept.

I also think, fundamentally, girls do not fancy getting boinked by some new dude every night just to make some cash a get few watered down drinks at the bar. Men OTOH would happily sleep with a new girl every hour. So if there is a way to get a few drinks to get high and enjoy the evening with her friends by simply shaking her booty and without having to take off her clothes, she will take that route. And there is, somehow, sadly, always some bozo begging to get ripped off.

These girls also know how to say the right things to the right (or wrong?) kind of men. They will pump up his ego by saying he has a big heart, and there you go! Bang!

I have had a similar experience once, quite a while back. I and my pal were at Insomnia and this friend of mine was buying drinks for 4 girls at our table like it was going out of fashion. After the third round (12 drinks for the girls) I told my pal to chill and reconsider his decision to buy so many drinks for the girls. I bet he did not even remember the names of the girls. However, he snapped back at me, called me a cheap charlie and asked me to mind my own business. I was taken aback, but I knew it was the testosterone and alcohol together playing on his judgement and choice of words. I left Insomnia without another word.

I met him for lunch at Sailor the next day and he apologized for the previous night. I asked him if he remembered anything else. He apparently continued at Insomnia for some more time buying more drinks and then apparently went back to his hotel with two of the girls in tow but after he got to the room he does not remember a thing of what happened. Fortunately the girls did not steal anything. But he had spent all the cash he had carried, and I can tell you it was quite a sum.

You don't need to go looking for idiots, there is one around every corner.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1851222]Like I said in my previous post, I already have decided to try my last girl one more time. But something happened which I just can't forget.

I called up the the girl multiple timers in daytime, but always got reply she would come by 12 o'clock night. Around 11 pm, I pinged her to come immediately. Apparently she was having a ST session with somebody I doubt. Anyway I was getting late for my dinner so hit a restaurant around 11:20 pm. I ordered food and about to start suddenly her call comes and she is asking for my hotel address. I told the address to her & asked to was wait for 10 mins. After 2 minutes she calls me and telling I'm leaving since you aren't coming. I requested her to was air for 2 minutes and ran for my hotel. But I couldn't believe she simply left. Called her up and requested to come, but all in vain. A after 30 minutes of long back to back calls she says she wouldn't come since I lied her by saying 10 minutes but didn't come. She was not ready to understand anything. Finally I gave up and slept alone. I just don't get it WTF had happened.

Later she said she would come come tomorrow. And due to this girl I ignored a nice spinner in beach Rd. Now I'm confused whether I should believe her or not, just out of my mind. Somebody please explain.[/QUOTE]I feel sorry for you but it seems you simply allowed your emotions to take control of the situation. You acted desperately. The girl saw that and played you like a flute. And if you continue to chase this girl for the rest of your trip, trust me, it will end with disastrous results. Do not try to turn a hoe into a housewife.

Wisen up mate. There are over 25,000 women in Pattaya to choose from. It is not important whether she was telling the truth or if you should believe her. What is important is this is your holiday and you call the shots.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1851256]I just came home from 808. There is a chick there who dances in front of whatever guy is sitting in a particular spot every night. This girl never leaves with anyone though. Instead, she always goes to the next club to party more. Well tonight the lucky guy happened to be spending, spending, spending on drinks for this girl and a couple of her friends, one of which I am intimately acquainted.

I wanted so bad to tell the guy to stop buying all of those damn drinks. But you know how mfs are. If I would have told him that then he would have thought I was hating and it is his money, blah, blah, blah. Well just like clockwork the girl was out of there as she does every night, leaving him with his dick in his hand and a confused look on his face wondering what had happened.

So just a reminder. The same way you should ask a chick in a bar or gogo if she will leave with you before you go spending on drinks, this same thing holds in discos. And these days it seems that the girls are more into partying with their friends than leaving with guys. So drink buyer beware.[/QUOTE]Mr ENT, good post and thanks. I know in the go go bars of Thailand or Philipines, it is the job of the girls to ask and sell drinks, since it is part of their compensation plan, and also gets the guy somewhat committed to them for the duration while at that establishment.

However, do the girls (particularly freelancers) at the Pattaya discos come straight out and ask you to buy them (and their friend (s) a drink? Generally speaking, Asians don't like to lose face in this way, so I am wondering about the freelancers at the Pattaya discos. Of course, I would expect the off duty go go and bar girls to ask but I am wondering about the true freelancers or the ones say on beach RD?

If they do, I suppose the best thing to do is say a little bit later etc. So that they don't lose face?

And also, could you take a guess at what % of freelancers and beach Road girls are somewhat proficient is basic English vs. Just the top 10-20 phrases and questions like 'how much you pay ' or ' ST vs LT ' ' where you stay ' ' how long in Thailand ' etc. Setting aside the grammar, how many phrases do you think the freelancers know? Last time I was there, the freelancer was actually carrying a hard copy English / Thai translator / dictionary!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1851290]Mr ENT, good post and thanks. I know in the go go bars of Thailand or Philipines, it is the job of the girls to ask and sell drinks, since it is part of their compensation plan, and also gets the guy somewhat committed to them for the duration while at that establishment.

However, do the girls (particularly freelancers) at the Pattaya discos come straight out and ask you to buy them (and their friend (s) a drink? Generally speaking, Asians don't like to lose face in this way, so I am wondering about the freelancers at the Pattaya discos. Of course, I would expect the off duty go go and bar girls to ask but I am wondering about the true freelancers or the ones say on beach RD?

If they do, I suppose the best thing to do is say a little bit later etc. So that they don't lose face?
[/QUOTE]On last Friday night I was at Insomnia and almost done with negotiations for this girl. Now this girl asks for drink for her and her friend. I said OK and bought 2 shots for them. So yes I think they ask for drink, but if you are sure you taking her for sure then only buy a drink. And if she is with a friend of her, probably you have to buy for her as well.

I don't think Freelancers will ever ask for drinks. They directly come to your room. But still one can ask her and buy a drink if interested.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1851273]I feel sorry for you but it seems you simply allowed your emotions to take control of the situation. You acted desperately. The girl saw that and played you like a flute. And if you continue to chase this girl for the rest of your trip, trust me, it will end with disastrous results. Do not try to turn a hoe into a housewife.

Wisen up mate. There are over 25,000 women in Pattaya to choose from. It is not important whether she was telling the truth or if you should believe her. What is important is this is your holiday and you call the shots.[/QUOTE]I know I made a mistake. I realized it while calling her itself. But yeah I was a bit desperate to get her. Anyway now I'm going to fix it. Wish me luck.

A big thank you to Pipe Layer99 for letting me know about the.

Telephone bar.

LE poste bar 007.

Clube 4 and so on.

I was go to them and had lots of fun.

[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;1849487]It sounds like you will fit right in at Ibar / Insomnia. Best to get there around 1 Am or so. It's definitely worth it to get a bottle if you don't drink beer. Don't be shy about approaching girls you like and inviting them to have a drink. 90% of them are there to pickup a guy for the night.

Be nice, respectful, polite and smile. If things aren't going your way just stick with it. They always seem to turn around in this town.

Happy hunting!

Uncle-V.[/QUOTE]Hey, thanks Uncle V!

Any other suggestions please for freelancers from the country/provinces ? Malls, other sois etc, besides beach rd?

Fyi, I will be staying at VT 6 and traveling solo, so re freelancers any suggestions overall . I will definitely ask the VT 6 front desk to check and hold their ID's. It's been nearly 15 years since I was in Thailand or Asia last. I've been to Thailand many times over the years though, but alas for only for work, with jam packed Asia trips as I managed a global businesses for Fortune 50 corporations.

May the force be with you!