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[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295556]Actually I don't pay anything. LOL. Agogos are a poor value for the money.
It justv amazes me to think guys think they are getting pretty girls for 1000. Just look at the girls going to eat pancakes every morning-the girls are butt freaking ugly. LOL.[/QUOTE]Where do you get your girls or did you hop on the free bandwagon?
[QUOTE=Daddy07;1295829]Right. And attempting to set a standard price for their services is like trying to herd cats.[/QUOTE]You got that right pops!
The price conversation has been going on year after year! Hell if ever a Thread should be created it should be this " The Price Debate "
Personally I don't give a flying fuck what anyone pays! I'm not rich I'm not price! I sometimes am cheap and sometimes I overpay! Sometimes I buy drinks and sometimes I just look! That is my choice and I suggest no matter how good you argurment might be I say step back and stop trying to convince others or CONTROL them to think your way because it can't be achieved!
It will never happen and if you guys want to continue be my guess. But if not me someone will come along after the discussion and overpay or underpay!
LBM
So agreed to meet Am, gogo dancer from Dollhouse, last night at the club in Soi Cowboy. About 9 dropped in to Suzie wong's a favorite. They had about 12-18 girls, many cute ones, few punters at that hour. Couple honeys made eye contact and smiled. Most others indifferent. Was told by a mommy that the price is 2K ST and 4K LT with 600 baht barfine. That 4K figure is distressing, but based on a previous experience there a couple years ago you wouldn't want to do a LT bf with them anyhow; pain in the ass since they exist to fuck and nothing else.
Popped over to Baccara. Total fucking Nip city, and if I offend, well I am happy for that. The place was packed to the gills with Japs, so I guess the energy crisis / nuclear disaster / tsunami hasn't hurt them too much. Guess since they make great shit they will always be in good shape, particularly with the absurd strenght of the yen, which is causing more to induce headaches on the pricing front in LOS than any "overpaying" farang, believe me. And you can be sure those other barkeeps are checking in to see how well Baccara is doing. Expect more.
So then I drop in to the Dollhouse and Am is not to be seen. I phone her and she says she's on her way. In the meantime, I am sitting upstairs at a table below a gyratin, young nude thing with the most splendid ass. Cute as hell (she's friendly enough). All of the girls are shaved in this club. Not a lot of girls seem to be getting taken here. A few minutes later Ame arrives in her street dress. Instant smile, sweet. I remember immediately why it was that I liked her so much two years ago, when I did a LT session followed by a day trip. We chat and she says that she works in the club on the weekends. Is taking computer science uni classes (though it really sounds fucked up: ah, she can do the work at her pace, online, whatever. Total diploma mills bullshit that will get her nowhere but poorer). I comment that I am pleased that she's getting it together, and what with the two farangs (one UK, one American) who are sponsors, and the invitation to visit USA with her kid. Of course she doesn't love either guy (ah, wink wink, but maybe you, honey are the one). The girl totally knows how to milk the system, but somehow is not smart enough to follow up and seal the deal. Bottom line is that she probably really does like her life in the bars, truth be told.
So we chat and I buy 1000 baht worth of drinks (3 Singa for me. 3 ladydrinks for Am and one drink for one of the managers who has latched on; I shoulda at least saved the 170 by denying that). So I'm basically doing this for her to keep face. We exit about 11 pm to walk to my hotel, nearby. Our plan was LT with an outing on Friday, her return to the bar in the early evening.
In the room we chat, have a very nice sex session. God, her look of ecstacy while she rides my face really brought back great memories. Go through the positions and I finish mish (condom on). I tell her the next session that I'm going to come in her mouth and face. That was fine by her.
And yet. Late at night she tells me that she must leave in the morning to get her son ready for school. I know this to be total bullshit because her FB comments mention that she misses her son. (now don't get me going on that, I have only 3 P4P girls, ones who can pass for being not, on FB, but anyhow). Sure enough she wakes up at 8, not 7 as she professed to need to be back. She rebuffs the sex session, showers, returns (I am in bed) full dressed and says the immortal words of the Thai hooker: "You give me money."
I was unhappy as she was going to return. So she thinks I'm going to run out. Fair enough. I say "how much?"
Angrily, she replies (with that look of nastiness on her face) : "You know how much."
Me, not wanting to hear that the dollhouse also charges 4K LT, I say "No, I don't know how much"
"Tree tousand long time"
Me: "But honey, I didn't get long time. You didn't give me sex in the morning."
"But I sleep with you. OK (more angrily). Up to you."
I hand her 2K.
We both agree that we are both unhappy and that the day outing was in peril. (Well, of course I had no intention of wasting any more time with such a creature.)
At this point I say: "OK, I am sorry to remind you that I am also the guy who sent you 200 US dollars. Just to remind you who I am, in case you have forgotten."
Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross.
Now it's Pattaya time, where ST sex, and lots of it, will rule the day.
Cheers and have fun out there.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1295831]Where do you get your girls or did you hop on the free bandwagon?[/QUOTE]Not dofficult not to pay. One has to simply not to take girls! And keep on his dreaming life in front of a PC screen hitting the keyboard
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1295928]So agreed to meet Am, gogo dancer from Dollhouse, last night at the club in Soi Cowboy.
At this point I say: "OK, I am sorry to remind you that I am also the guy who sent you 200 US dollars. Just to remind you who I am, in case you have forgotten."
Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross. Now it's Pattaya time, where ST sex, and lots of it, will rule the day. Cheers and have fun out there.[/QUOTE]Well, this bitter end was somehow expectable even if we wished it did not end this way. These girls ae also destroying the country reputation (is there any left after these repeated stories?) as I am sure there is a small % of girls who have got together for no money for that night, as a "thank you".
Being her free time, by the way, not taking her working time for free (even then it was not fully for free as time back she got a donation of 200$ not meant to be paid back, not expected for a free sex night, but a sign of gratitude could have assured her not only a repeted customer but peace of mind for all)
[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1295928]So agreed to meet Am - (snip) Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross.[/QUOTE]Interesting to hear the end to this long story.
You did well to reconnect with Am as a quasi "friend", screw her a few times, and enjoy it all until early morning. In her mind, that was her gratitude. After all, you did meet her where she works and paid ladydrink prices.
Seeing that Am is still working in a bar, I'm not surprised that she wanted money from you regardless of your flood "donation." P4P women's minds don't work that way. A pile of baht has a very short psychological "half life" around these parts.
You could have played it cool, given her the LT money she asked for, and got a little more if you really wanted to (if you liked her). What's a few 1000 baht in the big scheme of things? For some guys, not much. Sounds like you did the right thing, though, as they have a way of always asking for more. And, then there's the "principle" involved. ;)
For most bargirls, no matter what they say, fucking most (if not all) foreigners is just a job. If you are a visiting "tourist" you're a customer, nothing more. Even local ex-pat, so called "boyfriends" are just customers (whether they know it, or not).
Over in Pattaya, practice Daddy 07's time honored policy of "screw 'em and send 'em on their way." Everybody stays happy that way!
And, definitely think about saying "no" to the next one that asks you for money for no services rendered. That way you will not be taking care of some slick Somchai's souped up Honda Sonic! :)
[QUOTE=Fon Tok; 1295967]Interesting to hear the end to this long story.
You did well to reconnect with Am as a quasi "friend", screw her a few times, and enjoy it all until early morning. In her mind, that was her gratitude. After all, you did meet her where she works and paid ladydrink prices.
Seeing that Am is still working in a bar, I'm not surprised that she wanted money from you regardless of your flood "donation." P4P women's minds don't work that way. A pile of baht has a very short psychological "half life" around these parts.
You could have played it cool, given her the LT money she asked for, and got a little more if you really wanted to (if you liked her). What's a few 1000 baht in the big scheme of things? For some guys, not much. Sounds like you did the right thing, though, as they have a way of always asking for more. And, then there's the "principle" involved. .
For most bargirls, no matter what they say, fucking most (if not all) foreigners is just a job. If you are a visiting "tourist" you're a customer, nothing more. Even local ex-pat, so called "boyfriends" are just customers (whether they know it, or not).
Over in Pattaya, practice Daddy 07's time honored policy of "screw 'them and send 'them on their way." Everybody stays happy that way!
And, definitely think about saying "no" to the next one that asks you for money for no services rendered. That way you will not be taking care of some slick Somchai's souped up Honda Sonic! .[/QUOTE]Absolutely! I fully agree.
Nice Bike though, payed by the Gullible Sponsors.
FonTok.
See this quote:
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1295928]So agreed to meet Am,
A few minutes later Ame arrives in her street dress. Instant smile, sweet. I remember immediately why it was that I liked her so much two years ago, when I did a LT session followed by a day trip. We chat and she says that she works in the club on the weekends. Is taking computer science uni classes (though it really sounds fucked up: ah, she can do the work at her pace, online, whatever. .[/QUOTE]That means that that night it was not a working night for her and if she wanted she could easily be out and play with the guy for free.
If she wanted.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1295686]The only problem with that is the hot ones would either quit or they would just hold out until the demand became too great, which it would. Hot girls know their worth, they're not stupid. Why should a 9-10 be willing to accept the same rate a mediocre girl? That would be like asking Drew Brees to accept the same pay as his backup. Life ain't fair pal.[/QUOTE]If LeBron James and D Wade can take a pay cut then so can the two spinners in Rainbow 4.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1295613]I think that we also need to separte the guy who has saved money for a mongering vacation in Thailand and wants to get the best out of the days he spends there, rather than out of the money he spends, from the guys who either live there (expatriates) or go very often for various reasons (business, lay-over, happily and wealthy retired who can spend few weeks every 3-4 months). The former will not care much if spending 1000 or 2000. It is still within his reasonable budget (unless he is a hardened heap charlie and some are only for the reason of bargaining rather than saving, let's face it). Let's say he pays the double of whatever is the rate, for 1 week or 10 days. It is not going to be a killer for his wallet. He will have peace of mind, happy to monger and add more girls to his portfolio, He also cannot afford to keep on walking away because of the price. Hey, it is his holiday, it is his bunch of days. Any day / night he "misses", it is one less he will take a memory back home. Travelled all the way (air ticket, lodging, food, ie fix costs) and then not score to save what? 5000b? 10, 000b? These guys are also those either willing to score every night or even multiple time a day (then the unit price factor might have some influence, I agree) No way he is going to think too much about the local price level. He will reckonthat 2000b. Is a good bargain 8for him, his budget and comaprison level, that is also why he goes to Thailand and doesn't monger at home, far more expensive and less fun). Goes to Thailand once a year for 10 days. Those 10 days will be intense for him. But maybe the only 10 days of the year. So why to bother for an extra cost of 10000b? Can you blame him? Different story is the long term or repeated resident. Goes out one night, looks around. Doesn't find anything at his wallet level, walks away, maybe with a drink in his memory, few hours spent out of home / room, mission nearly achieved. On to th enext time, maybe the night after, maybe 3-4 nights after. Time and chances are on his side. Apart few guys, there is no need to score every single night out, every single night of the week (can he also score? Where is going to end this way? A sex pscho?). So he is the one saying, either I get her at 1000 or no way. He doesn't care if he doesn't get her. There will be another time he can get one and he'll be happy. So different stories for different guys and one cannot blame one's behaviour till he fits in his shoes (and even then.). Each one his own. Since the offer and demand are so wide and broad I am not so sure prices can be affected iether way. There might be areas where a (tourist) price might take the lead. Well, the "experts" will stay away from those areas. Be it. And let the tourist enjoy his 10 days break at "double" price, being this still a fraction of what he pays at home (and not accounting the different approach to p4p existing in SEA, mixed with the general level of providers).[/QUOTE]You have hit the nail on the head, which is why the argument for all guys paying less won't work: HE CANNOT AFFORD TO WALK AWAY BECAUSE OF THE PRICE. I remember when I didn't live here, my first 4-5 days on holiday were wild. These days, if I meet a stunner and she overcharges or I don't like her attitude, I go home, eat a sandwich, and save my cash for another night. Most tourists do the same all over the world. You're not going to pass up the memory of a view of the Taj Mahal no matter how much they charge.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295693]Whats so hard to believe in that a girls price is based on looks!
Try this. You take a real real ugly from beer garden for 500 bath. She is superstar in bed and you really like her, the next time you are going to pay the same 500-she is still really ugly.
On the other end if you take a 5000 bhat tarawadee girl who provides shit service, if you want her again its still 5000 baht. She still is very pretty.[/QUOTE]Try this: Some guys pay really ugly BG girls 2000 baht. They still are really ugly. Some guys pay really hot go go girls 1-1, 500 baht. They still are really hot. Has nothing to do with the ugly or hot, has everything to do with the guy and his rapport with the girl, plus a shitload of other factors.
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1295928]So agreed to meet Am, gogo dancer from Dollhouse, last night at the club in Soi Cowboy. About 9 dropped in to Suzie wong's a favorite. They had about 12-18 girls, many cute ones, few punters at that hour. Couple honeys made eye contact and smiled. Most others indifferent. Was told by a mommy that the price is 2K ST and 4K LT with 600 baht barfine. That 4K figure is distressing, but based on a previous experience there a couple years ago you wouldn't want to do a LT bf with them anyhow; pain in the ass since they exist to fuck and nothing else.
Popped over to Baccara. Total fucking Nip city, and if I offend, well I am happy for that. The place was packed to the gills with Japs, so I guess the energy crisis / nuclear disaster / tsunami hasn't hurt them too much. Guess since they make great shit they will always be in good shape, particularly with the absurd strenght of the yen, which is causing more to induce headaches on the pricing front in LOS than any "overpaying" farang, believe me. And you can be sure those other barkeeps are checking in to see how well Baccara is doing. Expect more.
So then I drop in to the Dollhouse and Am is not to be seen. I phone her and she says she's on her way. In the meantime, I am sitting upstairs at a table below a gyratin, young nude thing with the most splendid ass. Cute as hell (she's friendly enough). All of the girls are shaved in this club. Not a lot of girls seem to be getting taken here. A few minutes later Ame arrives in her street dress. Instant smile, sweet. I remember immediately why it was that I liked her so much two years ago, when I did a LT session followed by a day trip. We chat and she says that she works in the club on the weekends. Is taking computer science uni classes (though it really sounds fucked up: ah, she can do the work at her pace, online, whatever. Total diploma mills bullshit that will get her nowhere but poorer). I comment that I am pleased that she's getting it together, and what with the two farangs (one UK, one American) who are sponsors, and the invitation to visit USA with her kid. Of course she doesn't love either guy (ah, wink wink, but maybe you, honey are the one). The girl totally knows how to milk the system, but somehow is not smart enough to follow up and seal the deal. Bottom line is that she probably really does like her life in the bars, truth be told.
So we chat and I buy 1000 baht worth of drinks (3 Singa for me. 3 ladydrinks for Am and one drink for one of the managers who has latched on; I shoulda at least saved the 170 by denying that). So I'm basically doing this for her to keep face. We exit about 11 pm to walk to my hotel, nearby. Our plan was LT with an outing on Friday, her return to the bar in the early evening.
In the room we chat, have a very nice sex session. God, her look of ecstacy while she rides my face really brought back great memories. Go through the positions and I finish mish (condom on). I tell her the next session that I'm going to come in her mouth and face. That was fine by her.
And yet. Late at night she tells me that she must leave in the morning to get her son ready for school. I know this to be total bullshit because her FB comments mention that she misses her son. (now don't get me going on that, I have only 3 P4P girls, ones who can pass for being not, on FB, but anyhow). Sure enough she wakes up at 8, not 7 as she professed to need to be back. She rebuffs the sex session, showers, returns (I am in bed) full dressed and says the immortal words of the Thai hooker: "You give me money."
I was unhappy as she was going to return. So she thinks I'm going to run out. Fair enough. I say "how much?"
Angrily, she replies (with that look of nastiness on her face) : "You know how much."
Me, not wanting to hear that the dollhouse also charges 4K LT, I say "No, I don't know how much"
"Tree tousand long time"
Me: "But honey, I didn't get long time. You didn't give me sex in the morning."
"But I sleep with you. OK (more angrily). Up to you."
I hand her 2K.
We both agree that we are both unhappy and that the day outing was in peril. (Well, of course I had no intention of wasting any more time with such a creature.)
At this point I say: "OK, I am sorry to remind you that I am also the guy who sent you 200 US dollars. Just to remind you who I am, in case you have forgotten."
Well folks, the moral of the story is do not expect gratitude, which is all I expected out of the deal. Know the girl needed the money. Next time, donations will be funneled through the Red Cross.
Now it's Pattaya time, where ST sex, and lots of it, will rule the day.
Cheers and have fun out there.[/QUOTE]Congrats for the easy to read, amusing and down to earth reports.
Re the 200$, been in a similar situation which turned out the opposite to yours, luck of the draw my friend.
Once again, nice reporting.
Tuck
[QUOTE=Friar Tuck;1296004]Congrats for the easy to read, Tuck[/QUOTE]There is no real need to quote the whole message or we end up with the same message over repeated
[QUOTE=Wildhawk; 1295928]"Tree tousand long time"
Me: "But honey, I didn't get long time. You didn't give me sex in the morning."
"But I sleep with you. OK (more angrily). Up to you."
I hand her 2K.
We both agree that we are both unhappy and that the day outing was in peril. (Well, of course I had no intention of wasting any more time with such a creature.) [/QUOTE]Yes I'm afraid she is right that long time is LT whether you got in the 2nd screw or not. You should have set alarm to make sure you got it.
We did tell you long ago that the flood donation is long forgotten, especially as she may have got it from several guys.
Golden Rule. Never pay a girl in advance in Thailand. You will never get your money's worth. A donation is a donation and not a loan. Bargirls don't have a very extended feeling of indebtedness. Thais have a word for this "Greng Jai". They speak about this feeling a lot, but they do not feel it at all. Farangs have feelings of indebtedness, for help given, but they rarely speak about it or put it into words.
How often do we use this word "indebtedness" in our spoken language? Not much, if ever.
There are Thais who feel "Greng Jai", in which case they will talk about it a lot less than the ones who don't feel it.
[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1295928]Popped over to Baccara. Total fucking Nip city, and if I offend, well I am happy for that. The place was packed to the gills with Japs, so I guess the energy crisis / nuclear disaster / tsunami hasn't hurt them too much. Guess since they make great shit they will always be in good shape, particularly with the absurd strenght of the yen, which is causing more to induce headaches on the pricing front in LOS than any "overpaying" farang, believe me. And you can be sure those other barkeeps are checking in to see how well Baccara is doing. Expect more.[/QUOTE]Good grief mister, what do you have against the Japanese fellows there? They're just minding their business and enjoying their hard earned cash, just like the rest of us.
I've notice a lot of construction around my condo, are the female construction workers available for some hanky panky after work or on their days off? I can't imagine they'd turn down 500 baht which would at least double their pay for the day. Believe it or not, some of them are not bad looking at all.