Chiang Mai

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1491022]Chaing Mai – my experience:

I have visited Chiang Mai 3 times in the past. The last time I was there was in 2011. I come away thinking it is a nice town worth exploring for a few days. Walking around, seeing the temples and the sights, eating great food including Khao Soi and northern Thai sausage, and buying a couple of made to order Ikat knitted shirts; these are all must do's. I also think of Chiang Mai as the gateway to Thailand's Hill Country. There are some great treks in the region to remote villages through spectacular scenery. There are also a couple of great motorcycle or car circuit trips. I once took 10 days to complete the Mae Hong Son circuit and I had a really good time. Doi Inthanon National Park is beautiful. Personally, I like Mae Hong Son better than Chiang Mai, but that is just me because I prefer the smaller, quaint, provincial town over the big city.

I consider Chiang Mai a BYO Girl kind of place. Here is why:

On a scale of 1 to 10 where I would rate Go Go's like Baccara (BKK) , Rainbow 4, and What's Up solid 9 Stars and Suzy Wong, Airport, and Sapphire solid 8*; I would have to rate Foxy Lady 2 stars and I think I am being charitable giving the place 2 stars because in the three times I have gone there over a span of a couple of years, I always found the girls rather unattractive and uninterested in being there. Maybe I was there at the wrong time or wrong day, but I doubt it.

I never have gone to any of the Chiang Mai massage parlors so I won't say anything about them since I do not have firsthand information to offer, but I will say that I have yet to read a really positive field report on any of them. If anybody reading this wants to take one for the team and sample the action; I say go for it man. We would all love to hear about your experience.

During my visits to Chiang Mai, I have wandered up and down Loi Kroh Road many times. The small bars that line the street are friendly. If you are thirsty stop into one and have a Singha. You never know when you might get lucky. One night I was walking down Loi Kroh towards the night market. I spotted three girls coming towards me. One of the girls was a stunner. I smiled and said hello to them. The girls all smiled back and they gave me the Wei. I asked the good looking girl where she was going and she giggled and pointed out one of the little bars I had just passed. Then she invited me to accompany her there. Naturally I could not refuse. So I bought a round of beers for the girls and chatted / flirted with the stunner. She was very nice and I barfined her ST. This was in 2011 so I have forgotten what I paid. I remember that it seemed very reasonable at the time, but whatever it was, it is probably not the going rate today and not relevant to the discussion at hand. The relevant point is that yes, I succeeded in picking up a quality girl in Chiang Mai. But, I consider myself pretty lucky to have found her and I would not count on my good luck occurring every trip.

And so I stand by my impression that Chiang Mai is a BYO girl kind of place. And I think any punter can have a great time here with a good girl by his side. Enjoy the scenery, buy some quality Ikat weavings, eat some great northern Thai cuisine, and take your girl on a mini road trip. I know you will have a great time. I know the next time I visit Chiang Mai I will be bringing M, my favorite BKK girl, along. We will spend a couple of days in Chiang Mai, I will buy her some dresses, and then we will head out to Mae Hong Son and the country for about a week. I am looking forward to this 'romantic' little holiday.[/QUOTE]Thank you for this very informative report.

This is more or less based on the same lines as the points I have been trying to make.

I have lived in Chiang Mai for many years and have nothing against the place, it can still be a Utopia for those who wish to retire here. But over the years the night-life and commercial sex scene has fallen into decline and all I am doing is making mongers aware of this, considering that this is the International Sex Guide forums and not another type of Trip advisor or Lonely Planet.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1490999]I can buy my own ass (if I wanted but I prefer pussy).

I will leave you an address for you to deliver the bottle of Black Label once you see my reports.[/QUOTE]You are just an irritating flaming troll, rude and obnoxious, who lacks the intellect to make any informative comments or reports, but instead has to respond with insults and personal attacks in order to compensate for your lack of ability to give any constructive reports of your own.

If you disagree than simply say why and state your recent experiences in Chiang Mai and that goes for everyone.

I am going to report all your insulting posts and hopefully you will be deleted permanently from these threads.

OK, here's my take based on dozens of trips over the past 7 or 8 years, at least 4 or 5 a year. I may not live there, but I stay on Loi Kroh Road. And when I am there I always go out 2-4 times a visit.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick;1490696]Chiang Mai is no longer a mongers destination and what you have mentioned is definitely not worth making a special trip to Chiang Mai for.[/QUOTE]I think we are all in agreement. CM is NOT a destination for mongers. If your sole purpose for coming to Thailand is to find girls for sex, CM should NOT be on your itinerary. However, if you're interested in visiting CM for the "touristy" stuff, and I think it's a great place to visit for that, you can find quality girls here with a little bit of searching.

Everyone is different. For some guys it's only about the girls and sex. I recommend they do not visit CM. However, for guys who also want to do some touristy stuff, CM is a great place to visit for some of the same reasons westerners retire there. And I know that quality girls can be found as long as your standards are not super high. Of course,"standards" vary from guy to guy too but I do not consider my bar to be low.

For my personal preferences, if I were to come to Thailand for 2-3 weeks, I would include CM for 2-3 days and I know I will find an attractive girl every night.

[QUOTE=Arthur Tick;1490696]The handful of bars in the Loi Kroh road, total skank, the Spotlight, died a death years ago and the Foxy Lady, pushy mamasan, and some of the girls I have been told are asking 2000 baht for short time excluding the bar fine.[/QUOTE]Here's where I disagree. Sure there are some skanks on Loi Kroh, but it certainly isn't 100, it's not close. On any given night there are maybe 150-200 girls working on this stretch when you include Foxy's and Spotlight? My point is, all you have to find is one and I have always been able to do that. I have had some exceptional experiences in fact at some of the beer bars and from both of the go-go's in the past few years, including several in 2013.

I will say that if all you are looking for is top quality, young, super hot girls like you find in the top go-go's in BKK and Pattaya, you probably are not going to find that. But there are girls around on any given night that are still very attractive and great performers. In fact, I would say they are often better than the "superstar" super-hotties you will find in Pattaya go-go's at 3x the price.

For bringing a touch of reality and common sense to a situation made fraught by the dogmatism of one poster who clearly has no recent experience of Chiang Mai.

I will be following your most helpful accurate information the week after next (and I will ignore the posts of those who resort to insults when their veracity is questioned).

Enjoy, as no doubt I will.

No sane or discriminating monger will roll Chiang Mai off his lips when discussing his fave destinations but if this city is your karma, you can find a way.

I lucked out and found a very looking 22 year-old in the Muay Thai fighting-whoring complex on Loh Krao. After some small talk, I asked her to come to my apartment. Paid 400 baht barfine and 1200 to her.

Now, here's the ruby in the rug: she consented to ride the pony bareback. Bless you buddha, jc, allah and Elmore Leonard!

I now have her on a weekly retainer, cut out the mamasan and pay 1200 for home delivery. She spends a leisurely 60 minutes or so, is a fun girl and quite adequate to the task. And continues the unbridled trot.

So, as your man says, CM will never be on a monger's shortlist, but nuggets do exist.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1491040]What do you expect to pay your "M" for the trip. Apart from food and lodging. And no doubt some "shopping."[/QUOTE]M is a very popular dancer at Baccara (Cowboy). I have known her for many years. We no longer discuss price. In BKK I give her 2500bt for our usual 3 or 4 hours of modified ST. When I first met her, ST was 2000bt at Baccara. She was real sweet back then so I began giving her tips of 200bt to 500bt and so over time 2500bt became our defacto arrangement. I don't know what ST is now at Baccara. Some board members say they have been quoted 2500bt. All I know is I still give M 2500bt for the evening and she is fine with that. I usually pick her up around 8:30 at the bar. We go out for dinner. She looks good in street clothes and does not wear too much makeup so I can take her anywhere. A lot of times we just go to Love Scene, but she has also turned me on some restaurants off the beaten track and I have taken her to a few high class joints as well. After dinner we go back to my hotel and we watch some Thai soap operas, have a couple shots of Tequila, and get comfortable. Then it is boom boom time. M usually leaves around 12:30am to 1am to hook up with her girlfriends and they unwind at various Thai Discos like Red Sun and bars away from the tourist scene. The girls stay up all night. One of the things I like about M is she never watches the clock and she NEVER goes back to Baccara looking for another customer. We have done LT many times. I have stayed overnight at her apartment a few times too, but I think both of us prefer our modified ST together. After M leaves I usually take a walk down Sukhumvit and wind up on Soi 11. I am usually in town for M's birthday and guess who pays for her birthday party? LOL. Last March I took M and her girlfriends out to dinner and dancing at Red Sun for her birthday. We did not leave the place until after 4am and even then the girls wanted to go to another bar across town where a twin sister of one of M's girlfriends was hanging out. The 4 girls and I went through two bottles of Vodka. The entire party cost about 4500bt for dinner and booze plus I had to barfine the girls out of Baccara at 600bt per girl. But it was worth it. I had a great time dancing and drinking with 4 beauties all night long and I know M was happy too. I was the only Farang in the club and the place was packed.

I bring all this up to explain the context in which I take M on short trips. I have taken M to Ko Chang and last March to Phuket. At the end of the trip I calculated what I usually pay her: 2500bt times the number of days we spent together. I gave her 10,000bt for our 4 day Phuket holiday. She seems happy with the arrangement and she is currently talking up Chiang Mai for our next little trip together. I am not sure of her obligations to the bar and whether she is held responsible for the barfine while she is on holiday or she gets out of it somehow. These girls have a certain amount of leeway as far as that goes although I am sure there is a minimum level of performance per month in terms of barfine and drink quotas that they must live up to or face the consequences. If you are thinking of taking a girl with you to Chiang Mai I think you will have to make the same sort of calculation.

[QUOTE=Polyorchid;1491302]So, as your man says, CM will never be on a monger's shortlist, but nuggets do exist.[/QUOTE]Which Tick-Tock claims don't exist. Every city with nuggets is a mongering city. Even if the nuggets are few.

One thing I have learned from this is never to be dogmatic about mongering; you are invariably wrong.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1491341.

I bring all this up to explain the context in which I take M on short trips. I have taken M to Ko Chang and last March to Phuket. At the end of the trip I calculated what I usually pay her: 2500bt times the number of days we spent together. I gave her 10, 000bt for our 4 day Phuket holiday. She seems happy with the arrangement and she is currently talking up Chiang Mai for our next little trip together. I am not sure of her obligations to the bar and whether she is held responsible for the barfine while she is on holiday or she gets out of it somehow. These girls have a certain amount of leeway as far as that goes although I am sure there is a minimum level of performance per month in terms of barfine and drink quotas that they must live up to or face the consequences. If you are thinking of taking a girl with you to Chiang Mai I think you will have to make the same sort of calculation.[/QUOTE]Most helpful when you think many WGs charge Baht 4000 L / T which turns into a semi-LT.

Had I believed Tick-Tock I might well have thought about BYO but others have reassured me that there are multiple paces to find pusst - not Bangok, nor Pattaya numbers but then one is enough for me.

Enjoy Chiang Mai when you go.

[QUOTE=Scorchin;1491362]Most helpful when you think many WGs charge Baht 4000 L / T which turns into a semi-LT.[/QUOTE]Context is everything. I have know M a long time. If I asked a Rainbow 4 girl I just met about coming with me on trip somewhere she would probably ask 3 or 4 thousand a day plus barfine. A FL might be happy with 1000bt per day plus free food, drinks and nice accommodations.

One more thought on Chiang Mai girls: There are many very attractive Uni girls in Chiang Mai. It is a different style of play than P4P, but if you are under 40, fit, can speak a little Thai, and in possession some game; the various dance clubs are excellent places to hunt. Uni girls are out there looking for a good time and meeting a nice guy. Spend a night dancing with a pretty young girl, buy her and her friends drinks, make her laugh, and with not too much more luck than that, she will give you her phone number. Make a date with her, buy her dinner and your chances of scoring are pretty good. It is a two step approach, although there are no guarantees like with P4P. But what have you got to lose? A night out dancing with an attractive young girl. That's all.

Another source of talent in Chiang Mai for those of you under 40 and fit is, dare I say it, Western Girls on vacation. There are a ton of western girls wandering around Chiang Mai. Again no guarantees, but if you find one or two and are willing to spend some time with them sightseeing or something, you have a pretty good chance of eventually scoring. Just never mention to them you are interested in Go Go girls. Never! Tell them you come to Thailand to be exposed to a different culture and to scuba dive. In my wild days of long ago when I was travelling around Costa Rica, Colombia, Brazil, and Argentina; I would go from local pro to Gringa and back again. Working girls back then used to shag me for free. But then I used to be a rugged, damn good looking Gringo! 555.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1491386]One more thought on Chiang Mai girls: There are many very attractive Uni girls in Chiang Mai. It is a different style of play than P4P, but if you are under 40, fit, can speak a little Thai, and in possession some game; the various dance clubs are excellent places to hunt. Uni girls are out there looking for a good time and meeting a nice guy. Spend a night dancing with a pretty young girl, buy her and her friends drinks, make her laugh, and with not too much more luck than that, she will give you her phone number. Make a date with her, buy her dinner and your chances of scoring are pretty good. It is a two step approach, although there are no guarantees like with P4P. But what have you got to lose? A night out dancing with an attractive young girl. That's all.[/QUOTE]After coming here for a few years I got a bit bored with the P4P scene and did the non-P4P scene. Everything from non-P4P establishments to various web sites. It's not hard at all, especially with slightly older girls. Thai girls start thinking they are "old" once they get past about 25. The problem is there is usually COMMITMENT attached. An awful concept here in the LoS. Sure you can always work them and then dump them after you bedded them, but I never feel good about that. With P4P there are no expectations. The non-P4P girls will probably call you back and text you (a lot) , and there are expectations that you are now GF / BF and not going to move on to the next one. I resorted to lying that I had business engagements, etc. The fact is I get bored quickly and like variety. The chase is a lot of fun, but cutting ties sucks to me. So I have gone back 100% to P4P. No expectations, I like it that way. I'm sure there are guys who don't give a shit and just dump them after a night or two, or who like seeing the same girl for their whole stay. Its just not for me.

[QUOTE=Pablo;1491661]After coming here for a few years I got a bit bored with the P4P scene and did the non-P4P scene. Everything from non-P4P establishments to various web sites. It's not hard at all, especially with slightly older girls. Thai girls start thinking they are "old" once they get past about 25. The problem is there is usually COMMITMENT attached. An awful concept here in the LoS. Sure you can always work them and then dump them after you bedded them, but I never feel good about that. With P4P there are no expectations. The non-P4P girls will probably call you back and text you (a lot) , and there are expectations that you are now GF / BF and not going to move on to the next one. I resorted to lying that I had business engagements, etc. The fact is I get bored quickly and like variety. The chase is a lot of fun, but cutting ties sucks to me. So I have gone back 100% to P4P. No expectations, I like it that way. I'm sure there are guys who don't give a shit and just dump them after a night or two, or who like seeing the same girl for their whole stay. Its just not for me.[/QUOTE]Very well said, even if I am not fit anymore for the player's profile, I never did it for the same reasons you have exposed. However, I kept a "long term" relationship with a Thai woman, and that worked well and was very enjoable. One really has to try various ways before finding his own real thing and ideal partner possibly.

[QUOTE=Marcos;1491679]Very well said, even if I am not fit anymore for the player's profile, I never did it for the same reasons you have exposed. However, I kept a "long term" relationship with a Thai woman, and that worked well and was very enjoable. One really has to try various ways before finding his own real thing and ideal partner possibly.[/QUOTE]I have some girls I have been seeing for in some cases years now. I just joke around that I'm a "butterfly" and they know it's true, so it's all up front. I might see them once during my week in town. As we know even the P4P girls can get possessive, but as long as we're paying and they're working, there really shouldn't be a commitment or limitations on what the customer does. The girls know this even though they do try to make you feel like you're their BF. I just found it's harder to do with non-P4P girls because in those cases I didn't discuss my mongering ways.

Spent two weeks in CM, not a big fan of the bar girl scene, and thats really all that's here, along with the usual massage girls, if you can find them. If you're looking for action.

Just go to the various beer bars and the beer bar strip on Loi Kroh road near Chiang Mai Saloon (Loi Kroh Branch). Most hotels and guest houses are an easy walk there or a quick 50-100 baht tuk tuk ride. They are expensive as stated here, so this isn't really a P4P destination, unless you got to have it, there are better ways to spend your cash in CM. Honestly, you're better off hanging out with the tourist and foreigner crowds and the bars and clubs at night, prices aren't that cheap, but the crowd is good and lively, and lots of drunk ladies looking for fun. The drinking scene at the bars doesn't start till later (at least 9pm) so you should have more than enough time t o grab some cheap drinks before going out, no matter what you did during the day.

I have the 'phone number of the sister of a semi-pro in Bangkok with whom I have just had 24 hours of fun in Bangkok.

Sister says that the CM sister will consider a night out (and in until breakfast if said sister is first wined and dined).

So CM experts where do I take an educated (Masters degree apparently and 'fluent' English) out to dinner to loosen her up.

Not to five star hotels but to local high quality restaurants along the river?

Quick answers please.

Understand said CM sister is looking to expand her 'phone book of dates so PMs later may be needed to share info.

[QUOTE=Scorchin; 1494389]I have the 'phone number of the sister of a semi-pro in Bangkok with whom I have just had 24 hours of fun in Bangkok.

Sister says that the CM sister will consider a night out (and in until breakfast if said sister is first wined and dined).

So CM experts where do I take an educated (Masters degree apparently and 'fluent' English) out to dinner to loosen her up.

Not to five star hotels but to local high quality restaurants along the river?

Quick answers please.

Understand said CM sister is looking to expand her 'phone book of dates so PMs later may be needed to share info.[/QUOTE]Maybe she has a favourite restaurant? Her opinion is probably worth a hell of a lot more than anyone else's.