Berlin

[QUOTE=Merkur]

Ah, one last question here. Finishing off with a facial is quite a visual treat for me. Cum in mouth with 'closed mouth' doesnt really do much for me. But what I would like to experience is having the girl stick her tongue out with open mouth for the cumshot so it will splash both in her face and mouth. Naturally she would have to have both CIF and CIM on her menu then for it to happen. Do you know any providers in Berlin who are "good" at this? I'm thinking the kind who gives an impression of 'loving' this, maybe using verbal encouragement/dirty talk to show her enthusiasm or giving "naughty looks".[/QUOTE]I think I understand exactly what you're getting at here. I am also a CIF fan, and there's a whole world of difference for me between a girl with her tongue out shrieking 'Yeah, cum all over me!' and one screwing her eyes shut as tight as possible and wincing in disgust as you come on her.

Try:-

[url]http://www.celine-69.de/sina.html[/url]

I've had some wonderful outings with her, and she has obliged me several times in the CIF department.

There is also a girl at Artemis who is a specialist, and a lovely girl all-round, but I know her and won't name her in open forum - pm me if you want a name and description.

Plz don't forget to let us in on the secret if/when you find a commendable performer

good luck

charlie

[QUOTE=Nippon Pig]Hello fellow mongers,

I'll be in Berlin for the first time on Jan. 10th and since I'm flying in at SXF, I would really like to try pussyclub. However there has been no reply after I sent them an email asking if they will be open on that day. So I'm wondering if some of you have recently visited there or maybe the place is closed already? Danke![/QUOTE]

Hi,

As far as I know it is open but changed names to Airport Muschis.

[url]http://www.airport-muschis.de/home/[/url]

You might try posting over in the partytreff forums as this place is a flatrate club. Maybe someone over there has some current info.

I myself am not into this style of club. And I have never heard anyone with anything very good to say about the service & general atmosphere of this place. It is (by all reports) crowded, uncomfortable and not particularly easy to get your money's worth there.

AM

Thanks for the quick answer Angus Magee! I've actually posted under "pussyclub-berlin" also but there's been no reply yet. The main reason I decided to try this club over the others is it's location because I'll only stay one night in Berlin and I'll be flying out the next morning at SXF. Also the thought of paying 70 euros and fuck as many times as I'd like just excites me so much. I'll try to go there early, fuck as many women as I can and hopefully one of them will be a god lay. Otherwise it's just 70 euros thrown away and I won't regret so much. I'll report my experience when I'm back.

BR,

Nippon Pig

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Hi,

As far as I know it is open but changed names to Airport Muschis.

[url]http://www.airport-muschis.de/home/[/url]

You might try posting over in the partytreff forums as this place is a flatrate club. Maybe someone over there has some current info.

I myself am not into this style of club. And I have never heard anyone with anything very good to say about the service & general atmosphere of this place. It is (by all reports) crowded, uncomfortable and not particularly easy to get your money's worth there.

AM[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chame7777]These ladies seem to have left Berlin, do you have any new contacts which would be of the equal or better service? ... I usually stay at one of the hotels close to the Zoo and due to the short trip this time I won't have time to enjoy Artemis. But on that subject what is the best way to get to Artemis from that zoo train stop?[/QUOTE]

To get good quality escorts you need to pay 200€/hour in berlin. That's for the kind of girl that you wouldn't mind being seen walking down the street with, in a nice restaurant, etc. For some service oriented callgirl who might not look so clean you can pay 100€. You can also try some of the classified ad sites. kijiji.de used to have some nice girls every once in awhile for that price, but it seems like there are no more escort ads. some of the sites listed recently below as discussion forums have some good classified ads sections and the escorts are about 100€/hour. Haven't tried them yet!

Artemis is the third stop on the S-bahn from Zoo station. It is just a bit more than 5 minutes. When you exit the station, you have to walk out through the parking lot and turn left on the main boulevard. You'll be able to see the big artemis sign almost immediately. You walk across the bridge over the train tracks and you're there in about 5 minutes.

Dear fellow hobbyists

Happy New Year

I would also like to take the opportunity of wishing Angus a very special thank you ...his advice and help really keep this forum alive.

May 2010 provide him with many "happy endings" :-)

My New Years resolution (well, one of them) is to try and post some reports more frequently etc

[QUOTE=Nippon Pig]Thanks for the quick answer Angus Magee! I've actually posted under "pussyclub-berlin" also but there's been no reply yet. The main reason I decided to try this club over the others is it's location because I'll only stay one night in Berlin and I'll be flying out the next morning at SXF. Also the thought of paying 70 euros and fuck as many times as I'd like just excites me so much. I'll try to go there early, fuck as many women as I can and hopefully one of them will be a god lay. Otherwise it's just 70 euros thrown away and I won't regret so much. I'll report my experience when I'm back.

BR,

Nippon Pig[/QUOTE]


Well then you might also consider The King George Flatrate Club. It is right on the U-7 so would take perhaps 40 mins. to get to from Schönefeld-a short bus ride to the U-Bahn and then U-7 to Eisenacherstr. station. The U-7 runs pretty late most nights.

[url]http://www.bordell-grunewaldstrasse23.de/[/url]

This place has much better reports overall on the German forums. Seriously, I have never read a good report of Pussyclub Berlin. They all say the same thing-the girls are trying to get it over with as fast as possible and the place is crowded & uncomfortable.

But-up to you-I have no personal experience with either. Just the reports from the locals.

[QUOTE=Hektor T]To get good quality escorts you need to pay 200€/hour in berlin. That's for the kind of girl that you wouldn't mind being seen walking down the street with, in a nice restaurant, etc. For some service oriented callgirl who might not look so clean you can pay 100€. You can also try some of the classified ad sites. kijiji.de used to have some nice girls every once in awhile for that price, but it seems like there are no more escort ads. some of the sites listed recently below as discussion forums have some good classified ads sections and the escorts are about 100€/hour. Haven't tried them yet!
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I can not totally agree here. In this game I always find that paying a higher price does not guarantee a better experience in the sack. Chemistry plays a large role in quality sack time which is why I myself have gravitated to the FKK style bordello. You can spend time with the girl before committing to a session.

I guess if you want to take the girl out, then the higher price services are a better choice. But if you want a girl for the hour then some of the less expensive escort services can fit the bill for significantly less cash.

Trouble is most of the less expensive services are less than reliable and the girls are very hit & miss. Some are great, some terrible. And many of the escort agencies in the lower price range are obviously connected as the same girls show up on several different sites. The agencies operate on a volume basis and are not that concerned if you have a bad experience. So no customer loyalty. And with the large agencies I for one do not like supporting what is getting uncomfortably close to sex traffic. The girls see very little of the money you pay and work 18 hours a day, 7 days a week!

Better are the small indy services that spring up and operate form time to time. These places have a better connection to the girls and a bit more of a stake in the customer being satisfied. The downside is that they have less selection and are not always open. That is they will operate for a few months with three or four girls and then head back to the home country for a couple of months.

Hautnah/Bitchclub is an example of such an agency. They seem to have dropped off the map but for a couple of years were in Berlin regularly every few months with a fresh supply of young Romanian girls who, for the most part, gave great service.

At the moment Klein-zierlich is one such agency. Though they have recently headed out on vacation and, so the website says, will be back early in February. Madelaine always had good press on the German forums.

[url]http://www.klein-zierlich.de/[/url]

Another smaller agency is Sexy Besuch.

[url]http://www.sexybesuch.de/girls.html[/url]

I have used them some time back when they had a different name (Pussycatty I think) and was pretty happy with the result. As of this writing Ilona has good reports.

And then there is La Passion.

[url]http://www.la-passion-escort.de/damen.html[/url]

I have used them three times (maybe four?) and always been happy.

The trouble with these services is that the girls do come & go frequently. I just want to point out that over all they are, IMO, a better bet than the large agencies.

Finally, most of the guys that come here asking for a recommendation do seem to be men who are only in town for a night or two. So for them often it is better to go with a tried & true service where they will have a higher chance of finding a girl who will give quality service. For these guys I always point out that KD has an escort service available.

KD is a very reputable bordello and agency. They have been in business for years and have a reputation both for treating the girls well (so they tend to get quality girls) and for being in it for customer loyalty. You will not get any bareback (bbbj) service with them, but the girl will be high quality, clean and customer service oriented. For this you pay a bit more, but if you are only in town for one night and do not wish to be disappointed-KD is the obvious choice IMO.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I can not totally agree here. In this game I always find that paying a higher price does not guarantee a better experience in the sack. Chemistry plays a large role in quality sack time which is why I myself have gravitated to the FKK style bordello. You can spend time with the girl before committing to a session.

I guess if you want to take the girl out, then the higher price services are a better choice. But if you want a girl for the hour then some of the less expensive escort services can fit the bill for significantly less cash.

Trouble is most of the less expensive services are less than reliable and the girls are very hit & miss. Some are great, some terrible. [/QUOTE]

Hi Angus, maybe my post was not clear, but it sounds like you totally agree with me. What I meant was that if you want a good chance to get an escort who has better than average looks you need to pay 200€. When I say "service oriented escorts" that means they are for "sack time" ONLY and as I pointed out there is a big selection of them in Berlin at 100€. But if you don't want to just close your eyes and go, you might be interested in some other aspects which are harder to find at that price. Paying more guarantees nothing, but it opens the door to a different kind of escort who doesn't want to meet 10 guys/day. When you pay 50€, the girl is probably getting 25-30€ and Berlin is not so cheap that it's not borderline exploitive. In the end you do what you are comfortable with and that's different for everybody.

At a New Year's eve party I was standing at the bar next to a beautiful girl who i recognized as the first "hot" escort I ever saw on a Berlin escort website (for 200€). I was so surprised to see her, recognize her and realize that it was really her and she looked better than the photos, that I lost my confidence trying to hit on her and got nowhere! But she spoke very good English and I got an idea of what kind of personality she has. Now I've been looking around for that website for the last two days and still can't find it. That's the kind I'm talking about when I say you need to pay 200€. I figure, if you're going to pay, you have to get a girl who is better than what you can usually get for free. So my taste is heavily biased towards getting half as many for twice the price.

I'm not sure what you consider big agencies. but if it is something like that Hauptstadt escort, they just took girls from clubs and put them on their website for more expensive. When I met the hottie at the club next to the Charlottenberg S-bahn (for 80€/half hour), she gave me an escort service number for her and it turned out to be hauptstadt escort asking 200€/hour. And if memory serves me correctly I think KD escorts are also 200€/hour. So, yeah, paying more doesn't guarantee anything, but you have to use your discretion.

I'm sure you remember I said I found a great 9/10 escort on kijiji for 100€/hour. And since her pictures weren't good and she was not so good at finding clients I know she was only going a few times per week. But as I pointed out in my last post, it is hard to find those. Recently I've been looking a lot and there is really almost no very pretty girl on those 100€ sites or even as independents. For 200-300€ you find very many.

So I will stand by my recommendation that you need to pay 200€ if you want to minimize the hit and miss factor. And add the fact that a lot of people aren't attracted by the high volume category of girls. that's the main reason I don't go to Artemis anymore. As soon as the novely wore off, I didn't want to watch my last fantasy going up with the next 3 or 4 guys . That was anything but my fantasy. A lot of guys want to argue that paying more doesn't mean you get better. But given the choice to take most 200€ escorts for the same price as a 100€ escort, I think 90% of the time there would be no choice.
The berlinintim.de website is one of the best resources for guys coming to Berlin and looking for escorts. There are independents = hobbyhoren, some cheap agencies, some expensive agencies and all the clubs

[QUOTE=Hektor T]
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At a New Year's eve party I was standing at the bar next to a beautiful girl who i recognized as the first "hot" escort I ever saw on a Berlin escort website (for 200€). I was so surprised to see her, recognize her and realize that it was really her and she looked better than the photos, that I lost my confidence trying to hit on her and got nowhere! But she spoke very good English and I got an idea of what kind of personality she has. Now I've been looking around for that website for the last two days and still can't find it.
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At the party you should ask for her phone number or email.
May be she doesn't work any more as a "permanent" escort so you will not find her on any web sites.

[QUOTE=Hektor T]
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And if memory serves me correctly I think KD escorts are also 200€/hour. .....
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At KD the first hour costs 200€ but the following hour will cost 160€ (so 360€ for 2 hours : very reasonable IMHO)
KD have very good posts, I think that I have to say that if you base only on beautiful faces , beautiful figures and young ages, you may find that sauna-clubs are better than KD. But in general, the ladies in KD make me confortable because they don't make me feel constantly that they are working .


[QUOTE=Hektor T]
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The berlinintim.de website is one of the best resources for guys coming to prague and looking for escorts.
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I suppose you mean Berlin instead of Prague :-)

[QUOTE=Hektor T]Hi Angus, maybe my post was not clear, but it sounds like you totally agree with me.[/QUOTE]

I do not think that we are that far off in our views of the Berlin escort scene. You sound to me like you are a little more into it and in fact a good degree more knowledgeable in fact than I am. I just like to point out what I see as the full range of possibilities and give what little experience I do have.

And my experience is that these smaller places can offer a good time at a small price if (and it may be a big ol' IF) you can find the right girl.

I am not sure which agency you refer to with Hauptstadt? Is it this one?


[url]http://www.hauptstadt-escort.de/ladies.html[/url]

I can not believe that these girls are going for 200/hr. They work out of a rather sleazy Neuköln agency-Karl Marx 13. I went there once and would never again go there. It was dirty and the service I received was absolute bottom feeder service.

[url]http://www.karl-marx-str13.de/ladies.html[/url]

Same girls. At the agency they cost 50/half with everything charged extra.

Some of the better agencies (at least more expensive) I know of are the following.

[url]http://www.escort-in.de/[/url]
[url]http://www.escort-penthouse-berlin.de/[/url]

and of course KD escort, Royal Escort and Top Escort (VK's service)

They are all in the 200 Euro range and as far as I know quite reputable. But I personally am of the mind that you can get it for less with a little effort & research.

One question I would have for you-what has happened with Kijiji? The last few times I have gone there for a look the postings seem to have stopped on Dec. 23rd. That is no new ones after that date. Any idea what is up?

As for Artemis & its' hard working girls. I guess this is just a difference in opinion. I for one could care a less what a girl does, how many guys she does, before or after I spend time with her. It is her time, she can use itas she sees fit. As long as when she is with me she maintains the illusions I seek, I am happy. I will even offer recommendations to guys I meet while hanging out at Artemis and be most pleased if any of them are acted upon.

Let's face it, a hard working Artemis girl sees over ten men per night. I have no illusions otherwise and if I wanted exclusivity I would offer it and get married or something.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]At the party you should ask for her phone number or email.
May be she doesn't work any more as a "permanent" escort so you will not find her on any web sites.[/quote]
Yeah! But I didn't want to say, "I saw you in an escort agency! So i was just trying to get to know her and then figure out the best way to go. I didn't want to say, I know who you are and I have 200€ but maybe that was the best way! Also at the same party, I was pretty sure one hottie, when i asked her if she wanted to meet, said, how long? 30 minutes? But it was loud and in German so i wasn't sure. But when I tried to backtrack and ask around the question without saying OK how much, she wouldn't talk about it anymore!


[quote]you may find that sauna-clubs are better than KD.[/quote]
What sauna clubs? what happens there?


[quote]I suppose you mean Berlin instead of Prague :-)[/QUOTE]
Fixed that! I was just reading the Prague forum before.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]

I am not sure which agency you refer to with Hauptstadt? Is it this one?


[url]http://www.hauptstadt-escort.de/ladies.html[/url]

[/QUOTE]
That's it, but the girl i met was not on the website.

[QUOTE]Some of the better agencies (at least more expensive) I know of are the following.

[url]http://www.escort-in.de/[/url]
[url]http://www.escort-penthouse-berlin.de/[/url]
[/QUOTE]
escort in i tried and had a bad experience (one of the rare times at the non-cheap price level). They are russian managed, and most girls are not german.


[QUOTE]One question I would have for you-what has happened with Kijiji? The last few times I have gone there for a look the postings seem to have stopped on Dec. 23rd. That is no new ones after that date. Any idea what is up?[/QUOTE]
They have banned the escort ads. At least when they directly propose sex. Ebay owns it and also is a major craigslist shareholder (but still minority interest). Craigslist had a big problem with these ads in the USA, but didn't ban them even though many states threatened legal action, so i guess ebay tried to nip it in the bud on kijiji and banned them altogether. Craigslist is very liberal.

[QUOTE]As for Artemis & its' hard working girls. I guess this is just a difference in opinion. I for one could care a less what a girl does, how many guys she does, before or after I spend time with her. It is her time, she can use itas she sees fit. As long as when she is with me she maintains the illusions I seek, I am happy. I will even offer recommendations to guys I meet while hanging out at Artemis and be most pleased if any of them are acted upon.

Let's face it, a hard working Artemis girl sees over ten men per night. I have no illusions otherwise and if I wanted exclusivity I would offer it and get married or something.[/QUOTE]

To each his own. These are two sides of the same coin and from this discussion and many others it's easy to see that different people have different preferences. I also can't see the point of view that asks you to go test drive a girl, when I'm fairly certain that your experience will have little to do with mine. It's like the fast food approach.

I think when the girl is getting sex 2 or 3 times a week she performs better than when it becomes a job. Of course it depends on chemistry, but when you are client number 52 for the week, you have less change of getting GFE than when you are number 2.

[QUOTE=Hektor T]Yeah! But I didn't want to say, "I saw you in an escort agency! So i was just trying to get to know her and then figure out the best way to go. I didn't want to say, I know who you are and I have 200€ but maybe that was the best way! Also at the same party, I was pretty sure one hottie, when i asked her if she wanted to meet, said, how long? 30 minutes? But it was loud and in German so i wasn't sure. But when I tried to backtrack and ask around the question without saying OK how much, she wouldn't talk about it anymore![/QUOTE]
It could be a method.
Another one may be for example :
to tell her that you were impressed by her, would you have any chance ? She might answer "Of course, yes" or "No way"
"Of course, yes" case : you might continue your "flirt" and who knows, may be your desire would be satisfied without spending any cents !!
"No way" case : "What's a pity !! If only an escort lady with such your beauty exists, I will bless that chance !! Anyway, may I have your phone number ?"
and then she will decide what to do !!
If she refused that "chance", I would not do this, but if you really want you might say (I'm joking a bit of course) "[i]**censured***[/i], stop your comedy, I saw you on the Net working for an escort agency and your rates were 200€ per hour !!"

[QUOTE=Hektor T]
What sauna clubs? what happens there?
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In Berlin , Artemis for example.

[QUOTE=Bobo.fr]It could be a method.
Another one may be for example :
to tell her that you were impressed by her, would you have any chance ? She might answer "Of course, yes" or "No way"
"Of course, yes" case : you might continue your "flirt" and who knows, may be your desire would be satisfied without spending any cents !!
"No way" case : "What's a pity !! If only an escort lady with such your beauty exists, I will bless that chance !! Anyway, may I have your phone number ?"
and then she will decide what to do !!
If she refused that "chance", I would not do this, but if you really want you might say (I'm joking a bit of course) "[i]**censured***[/i], stop your comedy, I saw you on the Net working for an escort agency and your rates were 200€ per hour !!"


In Berlin , Artemis for example.[/QUOTE]

LOL! When I saw her she was speaking English, so I said "your english is very good! I'm from [country]. She was very nice and said "nice to meet you, but I have to talk to my friends!" So there wasn't much chance to get her away from her friends. It was New Year's Eve, so she was only thinking about party, party party i think!

So sauna = FKK. OK, but I agree with you about the "contantly working" transactional atmosphere at Artemis. There are a lot of good looking girls in there. I went about 4 or 5 times then decided that It was not cheap at all because only one time I got out for less than 200EUR. So as long as I'm paying I might as well go a different route

[QUOTE=Hektor T]
"nice to meet you, but I have to talk to my friends!"
[/QUOTE]
May I meet you tomorrow ? Can you give me your phone number ?

[QUOTE=Hektor T]
So sauna = FKK.
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It seems that, for "FKK-purists" , FKK is a sauna-club where all ladies are always naked everywhere. (Of course, some of them may cheat in using the towels as the male clients do).

It seems that, for "FKK-purists" , the male clients have just towels in a "true-FKK" and may have bathrobes in "no-FKK" sauna-clubs. (But I don't really agree with that; in former Fellbach-FKK Haus, I got a bathrobe (not as good and thick as those of Villa Vertigo or Yin Yang).

Personnally I think that in sauna-clubs there are not "hard actions" in common places as in FKK : am I wrong (I'm not really a FKK-specialist and don't like FKK so much , except where I can get sunbathes !!!) ?