Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670305]It is not about a budget. It is about someone not realizing they are dealing with hookers. You do not have to butter them up or win them over by buying drinks as he is reportedly attempting and failing to do. You merely have to ask them how much to come fuck. The shit is elementary.

But if he thinks he is going to win some type of prize or it makes him feel all fuzzy inside buying drinks then enjoy the pleasure. But it has zero to do with whether you will be able to fuck the girl as it seems he is attributing it to.[/QUOTE]Of course, it is very much about the money with these girls. Not 100% that and only that. But mostly that.

Therefore, on the issue of money and bargirls, it's not like taking a girl without buying her a LadyDrink upfront causes the whole issue of the money she and the bar would have otherwise gotten for those LDs evaporate from the exchange and forgotten. Your approach is asking a bargirl to leave 200 baht on the table that she would otherwise split with the bar that allows her to stand or sit around and ply her trade out of the heat and rain minus the actual cost of the booze for every LD you don't buy her. And in exchange for what?

I have no doubt girls who can't imagine getting two or more LadyDrinks bought for them tonight would jump at the offer. But girls who are at least popular enough to know they can easily get 2 or more LDs bought for them and get the barfine paid for them and get close to their asking price in the room any night of the week would have no incentive to do it unless some bizarre desperate circumstances arose for her the very night and hour you happened to hit on her.

A popular bargirl might be fine with doing that as long as she calculates she will get that "butter me up" extra 200-400 baht out of you in some other way. In some cases, it could easily be after you've paid the barfine and discovered in the room that no way in hell is the chemistry right with this one. That is when I would wish I had only invested 200 baht and 10 minutes sitting next to her in the bar before I wasted my time taking her back to my room and dealing with whatever money will be exchanged now.

Unless you are saying you and anyone reading your posts can easily walk into any bar, choose a girl among the most popular ones, among the better lookers by a reasonable consensus of punters, simply say "let's go" or at most after just a moment or two of chitchat that likely isn't even about sex and she'd hop off the stage and go with you. Whereupon you will, after just paying the barfine and taking her to your room, get the BBFS+CIP you've said is the undiscussed norm in Thailand during a Long Time starting at a reasonable time of the night and all for only the 1,000-1,100 baht you say you have virtually always paid for LT and almost never more than that.

Yes, if that is what you are saying you routinely do any time of the day or night in go-go bars, beer bars and so on without haunting the venues at all and sometimes ungodly hours, waiting around like a sick puppy waiting for the rare opportunity to arise where such a thing might happen with a girl who would otherwise have no problem getting LD commissions paid to her, barfines paid for her and 2,000+ baht paid to her just for ST, then you are indeed the King of Thai Punters!

However, something tells me that isn't the way it routinely works for you nor would it likely routinely work that way for anyone else. Sure, it might happen occasionally for anyone if the stars are aligned just so. But routinely and predictably on any given night with any given girl the punter actually wants to fuck, highly doubtful.

Again, I can only compare my experience and observation with bargirls in Bangkok. Maybe it is a whole different bargirl world in Pattaya.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670307]Newsflash! She is a HOOKER. She is there to fuck for money![/QUOTE]We established when we locked horns on this page before my trip that that's all you see these girls as. Someone to bang if necessary terms and conditions are agreed on beforehand. Many people, not just me, see them as people and enjoy getting to know them too. That's the bit you seem to be missing. You come across as a cheap Charlie who thinks they know best.

As I said earlier, people have different approaches and there isn't a right way, no matter how vehemently you suggest there is.

P.S. - please please please go up to the prettiest gogo girl you can find and by way of introduction ask her 'do you do anal?' I'm dying to hear how that goes.

So I met this younger guy a few months ago on soi 6 and you know how these girls want to latch onto a younger guy for a relationship, marriage and all that. Anyway he has a unique view on the long time setup here in Thailand with pay for play. He won't 'pay the girls for sex' but at times he will 'give them 1000 baht to come by his condo after work'. Then in his mind the sex isn't pay for play since he paid ahead of time. There are few mid 30's guys roaming around Thailand so he gets lots of attention. Helps that he's on Thai Friendly. He'll even tell them 'I'll spend time with you but I won't give you money'. So he gets the girls that have sponsors, girls that just want to have sex with a younger guy at their discretion. But he draws a very 'unique' line between working girls and a relationship. That line is the thinness of a condom. You give a girl money and she has sex without a condom then he looks down on the girl for not having safe sex. But in the mean time he's seeing a girl that he paid at the beginning to get her over (or gave her the money) and she has sex with him bareback then its a different story. They are 'in a relationship' so bareback is now allowed. An interesting view I must say. He also has a unique view on a working girl being in a 'relationship' where she gets no support and works in the bars having sex with other men. That is allowed as long as a condom is in use.

Now to me money is what controls these girls. You want sex, give them money. You want a relationship, give them support to send back home. I've been in this game too long not to have realized money is the key to all things. The guy met a really good looking girl and got her to quit opening her legs to earn money. He flew back home after his visa ended after buying her a 100,000 baht motorcycle with plans on paying for her condo while he worked a few months and then coming back. He has very little savings and wants to move here permanently and get a job teaching. A relationship fraught with many pitfalls from a girl used to making tons of cash and having a guy who's running low on money. Will be interesting to see where he is in ten years and if a working girl can become a homebody.

I know that this post is a bit of a ramble. But it is that way because his arguments are so unlike what pay for play is all about. Young man's syndrome might be a good description for it. I told him he should head out to the province and find normal girls and see if his charm works on them instead of focusing on working girls.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2670374]Many people, not just me, see them as people and enjoy getting to know them too. [/QUOTE]Of course they are people. They are people with a certain job to do. And that job is fucking for money. When you are looking for a guy to paint your house do you tell him hey let me buy you some drinks before you get started and hope he really likes you enough to let you pay him to paint your house? No. You say how much to paint my house because you know he is a house painter. I do not know how this get lost when it is about pussy.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot;2670374]You come across as a cheap Charlie who thinks they know best.[/quote]I don't know if I know best, but what I do know is that I am paying for pussy. You seem to think you are impressing them with your drink buying abilities. But even after all that you are still not able to fuck them. You leave thinking well I guess I did not buy her enough drinks. I better come back tomorrow and buy more.

[QUOTE=SirLancelot;2670374]P.S. - please please please go up to the prettiest gogo girl you can find and by way of introduction ask her 'do you do anal?' I'm dying to hear how that goes.[/QUOTE]Go up to the prettiest hooker and ask her about sex? She knows what she is there for, but evidently some of her customers do not.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2668274]By the way, once you cleared your PCR test, could you bring a girl back to your room? Or did you have to change hotels?[/QUOTE]The right answer is, yes.

But some hotels don't give a fark about guests. They may say no. They may even say everything is a yes before you get your PCR test results. I stay in 1 which allowed me to go out of the hotel to collect my food delivery and in the process I walked to the nearest 7-11 (5 min away) to take beer back to my room to drink. Seriously I can see they don't give a fark about my quarantine.

Do consult your hotel beforehand.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2670401]Of course they are people. They are people with a certain job to do. And that job is fucking for money. When you are looking for a guy to paint your house do you tell him hey let me buy you some drinks before you get started and hope he really likes you enough to let you pay him to paint your house? No. You say how much to paint my house because you know he is a house painter. I do not know how this get lost when it is about pussy.

I don't know if I know best, but what I do know is that I am paying for pussy. You seem to think you are impressing them with your drink buying abilities. But even after all that you are still not able to fuck them. You leave thinking well I guess I did not buy her enough drinks. I better come back tomorrow and buy more.

Go up to the prettiest hooker and ask her about sex? She knows what she is there for, but evidently some of her customers do not.[/QUOTE]There isn't a punter here who couldn't find a Thai hooker who would go to his room and fuck for 500 baht. Maybe less.

Have you ever seen a house with a really shitty paint job? I have.

Have you ever tried to contract with a really good house painter and had him say, "Really busy these days. Call me back in a month and I'll see what I can do"? I have.

Turns out there are a lot of crappy house painters who seem to be available for any job at any time for almost any price.

And really good ones who are not.

It all depends on how important a good quality paint job is to you for your house.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2668274]By the way, once you cleared your PCR test, could you bring a girl back to your room? Or did you have to change hotels?[/QUOTE]Once your RT-PCR test comes back negative you leave your SHA+ hotel to a different hotel unless you booked your SHA+ hotel for more than 1 night.

[QUOTE=LookingLooking;2670446]The right answer is, yes.

But some hotels don't give a fark about guests. They may say no. They may even say everything is a yes before you get your PCR test results. I stay in 1 which allowed me to go out of the hotel to collect my food delivery and in the process I walked to the nearest 7-11 (5 min away) to take beer back to my room to drink. Seriously I can see they don't give a fark about my quarantine.

Do consult your hotel beforehand.[/QUOTE]LookingLooking; It sounds to me like I should spend my first night quarantining at your hotel. I wouldn't mind a little naughty fun while awaiting my PCR result! Can you share its name with us? Thanks.

[QUOTE=MamaGuevos;2670855]LookingLooking; It sounds to me like I should spend my first night quarantining at your hotel. I wouldn't mind a little naughty fun while awaiting my PCR result! Can you share its name with us? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The Quarter Hualamphong by UHG.

Hey, don't blame me if you get caught. You'll become a fugitive.

I did not try to bring anyone into my room on quarantine day.

Vietnam has fully reopened. No quarantine. No COVID test on arrival. No Thailand Pass headache. No pre-paying for airline tickets. No pre-paying for Test and Go hotel. No insurance requirement. No chance of getting locked up for 10 days and paying out of your own pocket because your insurance won't cover for asymptomatic people.. Back to pre-pandemic entry requirements. Simple 30 day eVisa online, book flight and go. Vietnam here I come!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2675023]Vietnam has fully reopened. No quarantine. No COVID test on arrival. No Thailand Pass headache. No pre-purchasing airline tickets. No Test and Go hotel. No insurance requirement. No chance of getting locked up for 10 days. Back to pre-pandemic entry requirements. Simple 30 day eVisa online, book flight and go. Vietnam here I come![/QUOTE]Sounds great. Have a great trip. Thailand & Jakarta can't be far behind.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2675007]I've never been a LT guy, after I'm done I have no desire to hang out with them. But they'd usually quote for both. 00 Tmae was 500-1 k ST and 1 k-1500 LT. Exchange rate was 40 plus to the USD, so 12.50ST. And as a dude in his early 30's, I could knock off two or three and not spend 50 bucks. Was a hard transition around 07 when I started going to the oilies and paying 2,100 for 90 minutes. Most I was paying then for ST was 1 K for FL and GoGo gals. But performance at the oilies certainly warranted it. Leaving with your knees shaking every time was amazing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2675024]500 B ST with brand new streetwalker. I was her first client (yes I know they all say so but this one was true). And I have the video to remember it by.

Routine BBFS, no questions asked.

Nadia, a half Thai half Indian non pro I met outside Nana hotel. Craziest sex ever. She showed up once at my nice hotel wearing a white latex nurse outfit and red fishnets. Made a full prono with me with my good buddy playing cameraman and gave him a nice BJ as a reward. Used to giver her 100 USD after a few days of fun.

Great sex on Soi 6 for 700 Bhat with young hot cuties. Had to shoo them away there were so many of them.

And many many more. So yeah, compared to those days its been downhill for a while now. Covid is the final nail I fear.[/QUOTE]FFS, stop with this bullshit of "the golden days" or "back in '00". Who the fuck cares what it used to be 100 years ago? Fucking annoying as hell! Covid is the best thing that happened to mongers in a long time. It has actually set the prices back. Thermae girls are reducing prices to 4 k for LT and 2 k ST. You're still complaining? GTFO. Sick of this shit.

With enough research, 2 pops during 90 minutes can be had for 1800B with some of the hottest ladies on fiwfans. 1200-1500B for some hot young MP AND soi 6 ladies in Pattaya, too.

Just please stop complaining about how good it used to be.

Haha.

There's probably some dude in a retirement village in Florida telling all he can bash that things in Thailand changed in '39. A harem of topless consorts in each village. Only protection needed was a gun against tigers.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2675127]FFS, stop with this bullshit of "the golden days" or "back in '00". Who the fuck cares what it used to be 100 years ago? Fucking annoying as hell! Covid is the best thing that happened to mongers in a long time. It has actually set the prices back. Thermae girls are reducing prices to 4 k for LT and 2 k ST. You're still complaining? GTFO. Sick of this shit.

With enough research, 2 pops during 90 minutes can be had for 1800B with some of the hottest ladies on fiwfans. 1200-1500B for some hot young MP AND soi 6 ladies in Pattaya, too.

Just please stop complaining about how good it used to be.[/QUOTE]

I was looking at the requirement for returning to the US from Thailand. The requirement is full vaccination and a covid test taken the day before the flight. My question is which covid test is being required and where can I get a test done the day before my flight? Also, how much will it cost to get the test done? Thanks for any info.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2675127]FFS, stop with this bullshit of "the golden days" or "back in '00". Who the fuck cares what it used to be 100 years ago? Fucking annoying as hell! [/QUOTE]I do. You don't. Don't tell me (and others) what to talk about.

When dealing with changes, it helps to see how others perceive them. Hearing a ton of upbeat bullshit about the current scene sometimes makes me doubt my own sanity.

In a different world, maybe this forum should be all about specific tips on girls and venues (go here, pay this much), but clearly that's not the case. People talk about various mongering-related topics, and comparing the current situation to previous times is a legit one. Deal with it. Use the ignore function if you must.

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2675127]Covid is the best thing that happened to mongers in a long time. It has actually set the prices back.[/QUOTE]

Prices are not the main issue. Problem is the reduced selection of working girls, which is outright depressing, often bordering on disgusting, as well as the complete lack of fun in the Bangkok scene. For a brief period in 2020, there actually was a mini-revival with a few interesting girls at low prices, but that's long gone now.

Of course, if you still love it, great for you, enjoy while you can.