Monterrey

Reno is not new to that part of the downtown area. The club is part of the Amnesia MC familiy, meaning extremely expensive.

[url]http://www.renomonterrey.com/[/url]

And closed during the afternoon?
They have an afternoon shift, was this recent or during the Christmas holidays?

Anyway, girls here quote outcalls as high as 4000 pesos (by outcalls, the girls do it to the back of Reno, which as other MCs, forbid girls doing things out side premises).

In other words and as per your definition, yes, Reno is a rip-off.



[QUOTE=Hog Dog]I was walking along Hidalgo next to the Gran Ancira hotel and noticed a mens club that I'd never been in before --- I think it was called Reno --- right next door to Hotel Colonial.

Unfortunately, it was afternoon and the place was closed, so couldn't check it out to see what they had to offer. Has anybody visited this place or know anything about it?

I suspect it's a rip-off, but am hoping otherwise since it's within easy crawling-home-drunk-at-2am distance from so many centro hotels.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]The pickings this time of year are so thin as compared to the norm that anyone who really knows Monterrey well can only be comparatively disappointed around the holidays. Not to say there is nothing to choose from, but comparatively, "nothing goes on."

I suppose that were you to compare a "nothing goes on" circumstance to the US strip club scene at high season, Monterrey, even at it's slowest pace, is far superior. So, everything is relative.

Locals have a tendency to take Monterrey's delights relatively for granted, and generally skip the prospect of being so comparatively disappointed around the holidays. With this reduction in patrons, a reduction in girls isn't too far behind. It appears to locals as a comparative "ghost town" environment when the holiday season comes around. [/QUOTE]


You're definitely on target there, Mr. Unsponge.

While you guys who enjoy Monterrey 24/7 might see things as slow at this time of year, us out-of-towners might be coming from the repressed U.S. where P4P is illegal, discouraged, hidden, expensive, and fraught with risk. So even what you see as "slim pickings" looks like a smorgasbord feast.

If you're in the U.S., your choices are often:
* a $20 BJ from an old, ugly drugged out SW
* a trip downtown or a $300 citation from the police when the good-looking SW turns out to be a cop
* a $160 massage from an unknown quantity advertising on craigslist whose add clearly said "GFE"
* innumerable $20 lap dances in a strip club, hoping something will happen that never does
* a $400 escort who doesn't look like her picture and who starts getting dressed to leave when you pop just 15 minutes into your "1 hour session"

Like Einstein says, "it's all relative".

[QUOTE=Hog Dog]You're definitely on target there, Mr. Unsponge.

While you guys who enjoy Monterrey 24/7 might see things as slow at this time of year, us out-of-towners might be coming from the repressed U.S. where P4P is illegal, discouraged, hidden, expensive, and fraught with risk. So even what you see as "slim pickings" looks like a smorgasbord feast.

If you're in the U.S., your choices are often:
* a $20 BJ from an old, ugly drugged out SW
* a trip downtown or a $300 citation from the police when the good-looking SW turns out to be a cop
* a $160 massage from an unknown quantity advertising on craigslist whose add clearly said "GFE"
* innumerable $20 lap dances in a strip club, hoping something will happen that never does
* a $400 escort who doesn't look like her picture and who starts getting dressed to leave when you pop just 15 minutes into your "1 hour session"

Like Einstein says, "it's all relative".[/QUOTE]

I wonder if the US porn industry is also under attack of some conservatives right now??? I am more familiarized with European adult companies (Private Media Group, Marc Dorcel) but given the repressive sexual enviroment you describe and we all know, I wonder how American porn companies (Zero Tolerance, Vivid) manage to shot porn movies in the US????.

I think you are like 8 years late.

During the Bush administration porn took real good flak as in all major porn producers must have in hand proof of age, always.
Most of the collateral damage of these 8 years can be felt on laws governing several countries where if you are caught with pics of naked ladies within your possesion, AND you do not have proof of age, you go straight to jail for having pics of minors (even if they are not minors).

Plus the law that states that any electronic memory media (memory cards, lap tops) are subjectable to search by Homeland Security Inspectors on the border checks... all Bush fall out.

So back in the US, it's borderline with porn producers: on one side porn claims 1st Ammendment on the other, villagers with torches and pitchforks.

Very delicate balance.





[QUOTE=Strike 69]I wonder if the US porn industry is also under attack of some conservatives right now??? I am more familiarized with European adult companies (Private Media Group, Marc Dorcel) but given the repressive sexual enviroment you describe and we all know, I wonder how American porn companies (Zero Tolerance, Vivid) manage to shot porn movies in the US????.[/QUOTE]

Blame Bush AGAIN? We are coming to the end of the Blame Bush era, and there will soon be a day of reckoning...and, I am not a defender of George Bush, who was, frankly, a poor excuse for a true conservative, perhaps even a fiscal leftist in sheep's clothing.

I myself subscribe to a fiscally conservative/libertarian view, hence the dichotomy you find in me here, as evidenced by frequent visits to houses of ill repute and strip clubs, and my otherwise depraved nature revealed on the boards.

:-)))

Frankly, concerning the porn industry, I've heard it the other way around, that the actions of the Bush Administration actually saved the "legitimate" porn industry. The porn industry in the US has experienced some of its most profitable years, and strongest growth during the Bush Administration.

Remember, how child porn exploded during the Bush Administration, and the public outrage over child porn was affecting the porn industry as a whole.
I recall public outrage being so hysterical over the proliferation of child porn that US society's reaction threatened to completely shut down the legitimate porn industry.

It's quite possible that without stricter, no tolerance, enforcement of child porn laws, the entire porn industry could have experienced it's doom had they not taken steps to isolate, and aggressively prosecute, that aspect of the porn industry that the public was finding so intolerable.

The Bush Administration may have unwittingly preserved the "legitimate" porn industry by sharply focusing their attention on a problem that could have had huge restrictive implications on the porn industry as a whole. As it stands now, the porn industry flourishes almost like no other industry with respect to growth, even now during a "depression" such as we've not seen since 1932.

The United States adult film industry produces 4,000–11,000 films a year and earns an estimated $13 billion dollars in gross revenues annually. An estimated 200 production companies employ 1,200–1,500 performers. Figures for the 2006 & 2005 US Porn Industry Revenue Statistics show $13.33 and $12.62 billion respectively, the exact period in which the Bush Administration is being blamed for killing the porn industry. US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC...all of this occurring during the Bush Administration.

If we are going to Blame Bush for everything, then we must also be fair, and blame him accordingly...

With respect to the laws governing search and seizure of electronic media, that practice began with other law enforcement agencies that had little or nothing to do with the charge of border protection.

During that period in time, the legal issues involving the search of electronic media were uncharted waters, and have to this day been evolving. My feeling is that the proliferation of that technology came of age during the Bush Administration, and those laws were not necessarily something perpetrated by the Bush Administration upon society.

The US courts have been the deciding factor as to the legality of searching electronic media for evidence, and border protection simply exercised their broader powers of search and seizure as that methodology matured in other unrelated law enforcement endeavors, and as court verdicts established legal precedent for search and seizure of evidence involving electronic media.

The people working in border protection always had the right to search anything as you cross the border, and to seize and prosecute anything they interpreted as contraband. But, it's only after other law enforcement agencies began to use the search and seizure of electronic media to build cases that Border Protection started to see electronic media as potentially eligible for such scrutiny.

[QUOTE=Amigomio]I think you are like 8 years late.

During the Bush administration porn took real good flak as in all mayor porn producers must have in hand proof of age, always.
Most of the collateral damage of these 8 years can be felt on laws governing several countries where if you are caught with pics of naked ladies within your possesion, AND you do not have proof of age, you go straight to jail for having pics of minors (even if they are not minors).

Plus the law that states that any electronic memory media (memory cards, lap tops) are subjectable to search by Homeland Security Inspectors on the border checks... all Bush fall out.

So back in the US, it's borderline with porn producers: on one side porn claims 1st Ammendment on the other, villagers with torches and pitchforks.

Very delicate balance.[/QUOTE]

Oh no, porn suffered a lot.

I remember an instance that was used as an excuse to try to give the industry a whipping: A big name porno star returned with Aids from Brazil and passed it a long to a couple of starlets.

A starlet gave it to a couple of guys and a shemale star also got it.

Using those 3 examples, the forces of prudence wanted to impose the condom as a standard on all people part of the pornography industry.

Of course that would have been the end of the industry as a money maker.
I remember the big shots said that that would force them to go underground and film as they used to back in the 60-70s.

The ammount of money they were making on the early 2000's is a sign that the industry was on an uphill trend.
The uphill was due to the internet and the industry paying attention to this brand new venue and still they were being attacked.

In those years, everything was underfire: swingers, webcams, amatuer porno productions... some providers refused to allow people to use their services to transmit cam to cam sex acts.

Yahoo and MSN for a while were not aproving chat rooms that offer sex PtoP. MSN disbanded their Communites cause they were being used by people in a sex way.
I don't know if any of you remember, but for a while both providers were going not to allow cam transmissions.
Those policies are no longer enforced or were never taken in consideration.

Am posting two of the scandalous articles from way back in 2004.
The second one speaks of a *gasp* impending epidemic due to the lack of control. They even wrote down the names of all the actors that had contact with the guy from Brazil.


April 15, 2004
Str8 Star with AIDS - Partners Named
As reported in AVN (Adult Video News), straight porn star Darren James has been confirmed as being HIV positive. Click [CONTINUE] to read the whole story.
Why is this news?
Yes, people sero-convert every day and it's sad that anyone should catch the disease. Darren James assumes that he contracted the disease from unprotected sex with a woman in Rio March 10, and has worked with up to twelve porn actresses since that date. What bothers me is that AVN has published the names of all the women he has worked with and all the men that have had sex with them! They have all been placed on a quarantine list. AIM's Sharon Mitchel is suggesting a moratorium on porn production until all parties have been tested.
Straight porn companies seldom use condoms and prefer to have all performers tested before a shoot. AIM claimed that their procedures have significantly reduced transmission of STD in the straight porn industry.
Should gay porn producers adopt the same rules? Would you want your name published for having sex with an infected partner? Would gay porn producers voluntarily abide by quarantines, or production moratoriums?


**********

Health officials Wednesday obtained a list of the legal names of 53 adult-movie actors who were known to have had sexual contact with two actors infected with HIV or with someone else who had sex with the two. Details below.

The Day After: Adult Industry Scrambles to Prevent Epidemic
By: Scott Ross
04-15-2004


LOS ANGELES - Yesterday, the day after veteran performer Darren James was confirmed as HIV-positive, the adult industry was attempting to ascertain how far the virus may have spread, knowing that certain knowledge that it the virus hasn’t spread won’t come until June.
No other HIV-positive results have turned up as of yet.
The number of women known to have worked with Darren James during the time he is suspected to have been working while HIV-positive stayed at twelve, where it is expected stay. The twelve women are known as the “first-generation,” signifying their status as having had sex with James, the person who unknowingly brought the virus into the industry.
Adult Industry Medical Healthcare (AIM) foundation is currently concentrating on identifying the second-generation, people that have worked with members of the first-generation on or after the date that James had worked with them. The list continues to grow.
Brock, Dominico, Mark, Sledge Hammer, Brian Pumper, Steven St. Croix, Alex Saunders, Tony Sexton, Brian Surewood, and L.T. Turner were added to the second-generation list yesterday.
Tony Tedeschi, Jim Beem, and Jay Ashley have also been reported as belonging to the second-generation by the production company that shot the scene, but have not been added to the quarantine list by AIM yet.
Talent placed on the second-generation list on Tuesday were: Carlos Mendes, Mark Anthony, T.T. Boy, Sean Michaels, Julian St. Jox, Mark Davis, Jason Zupalo, Duane Commings, Judy Starr and Marco T.



[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Blame Bush AGAIN? We are coming to the end of the Blame Bush era, and there will soon be a day of reckoning...and, I am not a defender of George Bush, who was, frankly, a poor excuse for a true conservative, perhaps even a fiscal leftist in sheep's clothing.

I myself subscribe to a fiscally conservative/libertarian view, hence the dichotomy you find in me here, as evidenced by frequent visits to houses of ill repute and strip clubs, and my otherwise depraved nature revealed on the boards.

:-)))

Frankly, concerning the porn industry, I've heard it the other way around, that the actions of the Bush Administration actually saved the "legitimate" porn industry. The porn industry in the US has experienced some of its most profitable years, and strongest growth during the Bush Administration.

Remember, how child porn exploded during the Bush Administration, and the public outrage over child porn was affecting the porn industry as a whole.
I recall public outrage being so hysterical over the proliferation of child porn that US society's reaction threatened to completely shut down the legitimate porn industry.

It's quite possible that without stricter, no tolerance, enforcement of child porn laws, the entire porn industry could have experienced it's doom had they not taken steps to isolate, and aggressively prosecute, that aspect of the porn industry that the public was finding so intolerable.

The Bush Administration may have unwittingly preserved the "legitimate" porn industry by sharply focusing their attention on a problem that could have had huge restrictive implications on the porn industry as a whole. As it stands now, the porn industry flourishes almost like no other industry with respect to growth, even now during a "depression" such as we've not seen since 1932.

The United States adult film industry produces 4,000–11,000 films a year and earns an estimated $13 billion dollars in gross revenues annually. An estimated 200 production companies employ 1,200–1,500 performers. Figures for the 2006 & 2005 US Porn Industry Revenue Statistics show $13.33 and $12.62 billion respectively, the exact period in which the Bush Administration is being blamed for killing the porn industry. US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC...all of this occurring during the Bush Administration.

If we are going to Blame Bush for everything, then we must also be fair, and blame him accordingly...

With respect to the laws governing search and seizure of electronic media, that practice began with other law enforcement agencies that had little or nothing to do with the charge of border protection.

During that period in time, the legal issues involving the search of electronic media were uncharted waters, and have to this day been evolving. My feeling is that the proliferation of that technology came of age during the Bush Administration, and those laws were not necessarily something perpetrated by the Bush Administration upon society.

The US courts have been the deciding factor as to the legality of searching electronic media for evidence, and border protection simply exercised their broader powers of search and seizure as that methodology matured in other unrelated law enforcement endeavors, and as court verdicts established legal precedent for search and seizure of evidence involving electronic media.

The people working in border protection always had the right to search anything as you cross the border, and to seize and prosecute anything they interpreted as contraband. But, it's only after other law enforcement agencies began to use the search and seizure of electronic media to build cases that Border Protection started to see electronic media as potentially eligible for such scrutiny.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amigomio]

Plus the law that states that any electronic memory media (memory cards, lap tops) are subjectable to search by Homeland Security Inspectors on the border checks... all Bush fall out.


[/QUOTE]

When you cross the border you do not have the same Constitutional protections that you have in your everyday life. The Supreme Court decided that long before Bush was in office. In fact they ruled that you have little or no rights when gaining entry to the country. Citizen or not.

The search of the media cards is just an extension of the search powers they already had. Plus, people like to forget that the provisions in the Patriot Act were just recently renewed by President Obama, with little to no modification.

I was there between Christmas and New Years. The selection was small but I did manage to find something worthwhile. Not a 'best I've ever had' experience but got my money's worth.

El Cabron I am always amazed how you can corral 2 or 3 of those crazy women. I have a hard time keeping 1 under control.

[QUOTE=UnospongeBob]Blame Bush AGAIN? We are coming to the end of the Blame Bush era, and there will soon be a day of reckoning...and, I am not a defender of George Bush, who was, frankly, a poor excuse for a true conservative, perhaps even a fiscal leftist in sheep's clothing.
[/QUOTE]


Ohhhh, I don't know. Considering the magnitude of the damage Bush and his cronies did to the U.S. and other countries, there will be messes to clean up well into the next decade (not to mention of blame very appropriately placed at his sorry ass doorstep).

No more to say about that though since politics generally bores me. Except for the sex scandals that is.

Have you ever noticed that Republicans seems to have sorry-ass sex scandals too? They need to read International Sex Guide more often. If they did, they wouldn't be getting into messes like SC Gov. Mark Sandford, hopping a plane to Argentina to hook up with a woman who wasn't even very hot. What an idiot! He could have read Jackson's posts in the Argentina Private board and found DOZENS of smokin' hot women who would put a shit eatin' grin on his face for sure.

And don't even get me started on that idiot Senator Craig from Idaho. Trolling for gay men in the Minneapolis airport?! How lame is THAT!?!?!

Democrats do sex scandals better. At least New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer did. He'd read the boards to find out about escort services and had hooked himself up with a pretty hot looking young woman. I'd have definitely done her. But I wouldn't want to be paying the kind of sky-high prices that Spitzer was supposedly dipping into funds to pony up. Surely he could have found just as attractive ho's for half the price. Idiot!

[QUOTE=Hog Dog]Considering the magnitude of the damage Bush and his cronies did to the U.S. and other countries[/QUOTE]
I object to the "Blame Bush" b/s because it's meant to distract from holding accountable all of leftists from both parties that were truly responsible for sabotaging the economies of the world with their self serving social engineering and their already historically failed academic elitist fiscal experiments.

I was fortunate to read an article listing in some detail the numbers of times these failed fiscal policies have been tried throughout history, and there are countless examples of the same policies being implemented throughout history, policies identical to what they're promoting now, policies that have failed miserably at every turn, to the extent that the economies of the world free fall to correction each time they're tried.

Then the idiots in power forget the lessons of history and start it all over again about every 20 years. Literally, in history, all across the globe, there are examples of these failed policies all the way back as far as 500 years, each example occurring about every twenty years throughout history. A very enlightening article indeed, one that reveals the folly of our inept, relatively uneducated politicians.

And now, we are all going to get the same thing done to us by ten fold as the "Anointed One" perpetrates even greater experimentation upon the already weary American Citizenry, something that I fear is likely to bankrupt the USA and pilfer whatever wealth remains in the world unless Americans demand a drastic and swift correction of present day policy.

And, you're right, Jackson will delete all this political commentary unless we also contribute something on subject...Lets see, well, how 'bout I comment on what I've been reading on one of the Spanish Speaking Local Monterrey forums...

One of the guys that posts on the Spanish speaking boards decided that he was going to be giving up going to the strip clubs so he could stop drinking. Said he was retiring, and that he would no longer be posting because he was giving up the "teibols," as he put it.

I was kind of shocked...Mexican dude, in his early 20's, giving up drinking, and also giving up "the tables" as a valiant means to an end. Commendable, but hardly realistic, IMHO. And, what a waste. Twenty years old, all those youthful advantages squandered away as he tries to find himself.

Oh, what I would have done at twenty years old turned loose in Monterrey. Unfortunately, I was clueless at that age, exiled to the waste land, not really knowing what I was missing, and little or no money to invest.

My opinion, if you want to stop drinking, then give up the booze, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. I strictly drink either botellas de agua natural con hielo (bottled water with ice), or coke lite con hielo (diet coke with ice).

I don't have anything against those who enjoy alcohol, but ordering alcohol is the absolute last thing on my mind when I enter the clubs. I drink alcohol when conducting business, but am fortunate in that I could not care less about it otherwise. For me, it is strictly business. One less vice to deal with, verdad? For me, it's easy to dispense with the alcohol, but perhaps for someone whose focused upon it, the mere exposure in a club setting is too much to bare.

From a mongering perspective, if alcohol is your primary focus, it will most assuredly sabotage your effectiveness at the mongering game, and distract you in implementation of your best chosen strategies, not to mention slowly and stealthfully drain your mongering budjet.

On the other hand, if alcohol is your primary focus, then you might as well be drinking with a hot babe on your lap. :-) So, to each his own.

[QUOTE=Doubt98]El Cabron I am always amazed how you can corral 2 or 3 of those crazy women. I have a hard time keeping 1 under control.[/QUOTE]

El Cabron has gone the way of the Sponge, and passing all of his time with his novia verdad, except doing so in alternate venues these days. Although, I suspect he is still sampling the occasional delights that abound, I can't be sure. I suspect the days of 2, 3, and 4 girls all running around naked in his room are, for all intents and purposes, a relative thing of the past, memories to be cherished. I'll ask him to comment on that one.

If you're looking for a decent MP in Monterrey, LeBaron (in el centro, at Tapia 329) is a fairly good bet.

Several years ago, I was going there fairly often, and still would except that Marcella strikes me as a much more pleasant experience overall, and I've been having pretty good luck with independent escorts.

Last time I sessioned at LeBaron, it was okay --- not great, but I still got my money's worth. I didn't have any recent, specific recommendations on hand, so just dropped in and chose from the available lineup. I selected a girl who went by the name Rebeca. She had a few extra pounds in the panza, but a nice smile that warmed my icy heart.

The rooms are smaller and nowhere near as comfortable as at Marcella, but they get the job done and are several notches better than at the spas with the el cheapo prices advertised in El Sol.

She told me she was 25, but the body said "more like 30". She had a pretty decent attitude (not great, but okay), though her technique was not what I liked. She had this "control freak" approach in which, every time my hands would wander from where she wanted them, she shoved them back in their place. She wanted to control the pacing too: I often like to slow things down a bit --- but she was a pumper. Some guys probably like that, just like some guys might think it's a turn-on when a strip club girl slaps her own ass (I don't...but to each his own).

Anyway, if you're checking out Monterrey MPs, Le Baron might do okay for you. It'll cost a couple hundred pesos more than some of the MPs you'll see mentioned here and elsewhere, but I'm not convinced that it's really worth paying too much more (I still think Marcella is better).

[QUOTE=Hog Dog]Well, sort of, but not really true.

Places are SLOWER with less selection, but there's no shortage of open strip clubs, massage parlors or escort services. You will have a BETTER selection if you wait until the 1st or 2nd week of January --- no doubt about it --- but saying that "nothing goes on" is just plain 100% WRONG (and I'm not sure what your reason would be for misleading readers into thinking there will be no options).[/QUOTE]I really needed to find out how Monterrey really is during the holidays, especially since most Americans have PTO during these days. I went to Marcellas, Misses and a few Massage parlors. The one day when I drove on Villagran and everything seemed dead was either new years eve or new years day, I can't remember exactly.

I do remember that Infinto was closed both days but the Tangalay, right in front was open. I went in there and there were hot girls, but the door guy said that you could not take them outside the club since the selection was not a large.

I remember I fucked 2 girls back to back at a MP off villagran. I would say that the selection was 35% of what it usually is during a general weekend.

I must say that Mercellas was good and I hit Misses January 2nd and the selection was jaw dropping.. I have literrally never seen so many hot girls in one room at the same time so close... about 5 10's and 1 8.5.

[QUOTE=Zygomatic]
I must say that Mercellas was good and I hit Misses January 2nd and the selection was jaw dropping.. I have literrally never seen so many hot girls in one room at the same time so close... about 5 10's and 1 8.5.[/QUOTE]

Awesome!!!

What's Misses like? Nice place?? Expensive?

[QUOTE=Hog Dog]Awesome!

What's Misses like? Nice place? Expensive?[/QUOTE]Misses is on 624 Tapia, between Rayon and Pino Suares. There is no sign, but the gates will be open, very nice brown house and the letters 624 on the side.

Like I said, the ladies are the best of the best and they run between 1200 to 1800 pesos, but don't be suprised if they try to upsell you. I paid 1800 plus 200 tip for my 10. Let me know if you try it.

BTW, I would like to ask you a question.. I saw the Express Holiday Inn on Hidalgo street? Anyways, like you said, it's a 3 short block walk and chances are you will not run into anyone at night. However, do you always stay at the Holiday Inn Express? Sometime I get scared going to Marcellas because I end up walking to Guactemoc and takes me at lest 5 mins to catch a taxi.

Let me do some fine tuning here if you are taking a taxi.

The address is: Tapia 624 poniente entre Pino Suarez y Rayon (place always the big street first as a reference, not the first street acording to the traffic flow)

If going on taxi, do not tip the girls, cause your price, with just a few exceptions, will be 1800-2000 due to driver kickbacks.

And fairly said by a local, me, the girls at Misses are good, but not that top notch as they were when the business originaly opened.
Girls now tend to rotate around Versace, Regias, independent escorts, etc. and mainly they are composed of girls that want more money for less sex with customers.

The best? I don't think so.
Misses #1? Fame still surrounds this in-call still making it #1





[QUOTE=Zygomatic]Misses is on 624 Tapia, between Rayon and Pino Suares. There is no sign, but the gates will be open, very nice brown house and the letters 624 on the side.

Like I said, the ladies are the best of the best and they run between 1200 to 1800 pesos, but don't be suprised if they try to upsell you. I paid 1800 plus 200 tip for my 10. Let me know if you try it.

BTW, I would like to ask you a question.. I saw the Express Holiday Inn on Hidalgo street? Anyways, like you said, it's a 3 short block walk and chances are you will not run into anyone at night. However, do you always stay at the Holiday Inn Express? Sometime I get scared going to Marcellas because I end up walking to Guactemoc and takes me at lest 5 mins to catch a taxi.[/QUOTE]