Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246647]I would think that dignity would be the last word that comes to mind when thinking of a monger or a hooker, no matter how much they are paying or getting paid. She may sell pussy, but she has dignity. If she told her family how she likes to sell pussy, then she is sure to garner respect. See how ridiculous that sounds? How much dignity do you think Stormy Daniels has been seen to have after fucking Donald Trump for 6 figures, which is way more than you are giving your secret batch of hookers.[/QUOTE]These "dignity & respect" tricks. SMDH!

The topic of these conversations bore me.

Let's talk about mongering scenes. Brothels, price, women, quality, atmosphere, performance and monger-relate information.

Enjoy your sexual life and put the dignity behind you that normal people believe in. Just have sex before it's too late and enjoy all your fantasies. You never know what will happens tomorrow. You might be prostateless or worse " dead" Enjoy the current moment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246647]I would think that dignity would be the last word that comes to mind when thinking of a monger or a hooker, no matter how much they are paying or getting paid. She may sell pussy, but she has dignity. If she told her family how she likes to sell pussy, then she is sure to garner respect. See how ridiculous that sounds? How much dignity do you think Stormy Daniels has been seen to have after fucking Donald Trump for 6 figures, which is way more than you are giving your secret batch of hookers.[/QUOTE]Did they fuck in the same kind of VM room as posted without shower and on that kind of mattress? Dignity is not only with whom you do it but where you do it. The girls who got paid more put those money to their health and beauty (wellness) and the results are visible. To where a R25-60 girls put them and what is the result? Of course you do not care and probably you not should because what matters to you. Is only to where empty your balls with the cheapest price.

I have got feedback from SP and RJ threads that" we will silence him", "go away"stop"useless". That too shows the "trash" level. If you cannot accept other opinions or do not stand behind your opinion or do not write any examples of verify your writings, writing a lies in other thread for bragging purposes then with whom I am deal with? I have not asked anyone to be silenced or stop or go away. In the forum is not only my opinion and never will.

Been walking around downtown all day bullshitting around. It keeps raining here and there. In 17 years this was my first time going to those steps over at Lapa. Been to Lapa plenty of times, just never seen the steps.

Checked out 81 and was about to head to 13 and 15 when a dike gave me a prive paper. She then decided to take me to it. The chick that came to the door and introduced herself first I would have done had I not been so sweaty and had energy. I guess we would have had to do it standing up because that massage table didn't look worth a shit. Anyway, when I told them I didn't want to fuck they cursed me out while putting me out.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2246653]Unlike Traveller I do not blame the women who work in VM for the conditions there.[/QUOTE]Could you point out where I blamed women working there instead of asking about dignity of men to have a sex in facility of this condition? Focus on facts but not on BS, you have been wrote it enough in SP forum.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2246653]Unlike Traveller I do not blame the women who work in VM for the conditions there. They are desperate women, or new to the business. I don't like the place, but I don't disrespect those that work there or those that go there.[/QUOTE]You, Sir, are more enlightened than That Other Guy.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2246549]Did I wrote with a exceptions or you just cannot read? Those kind of rooms and apartments are trash level, of course if you live in one of those, it is your home that would need some refurbish and a shower. Seems that dignity has a different meaning to someone. You can call it judging, I called it conclusion for what has been written. Do you ask anyone to leave, who is against your style of mongering or only those who judge this kind of mongering? I am sorry for do not understanding why you do not wash yourself after the sex, laying in that kind (dirty) of bed without or dirty sheets (must be an acrobat), having sex in this surroundings. Sounds like a desperate man way, only cheap price fuck matters. LOL.[/QUOTE]You're not contributing anything, just BS. And frankly, you're boring MongerForSex, LOL.

[QUOTE=Rovnak;2246653]I think its perfectly reasonable for prostitutes to have dignity and self worth. It is society that attempts to deny them dignity...Unlike Traveller I do not blame the women who work in VM for the conditions there. They are desperate women, or new to the business.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head. This is the same as T44 trying to deny other mongers the dignity that they are entitled to because they fucked in a place that he would not. I do not see myself as the one who gives out the dignity passes, but it seems that T44 and other members of society have been charged with this task.

I will say that you are incorrect about the women there being desperate or new to the business. As I reported before, some of the same chicks that used to be at Help, would be at VM before going there. Also there was a book put out some years ago on VM. Sperto or someone mentioned it on the board back then. I bought the book. Some of those chicks have been working there 20 years.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2246705]Could you point out where I blamed women working there instead of asking about dignity of men to have a sex in facility of this condition?[/QUOTE]I would not say blame, but if you consider a guy that goes there and fucks for 5 minutes as having no dignity, then it stands to reason there is no modicum of hope in the dignity department for the lady that goes there to fuck all day everyday.

[QUOTE=JavaMan;2247013]You're not contributing anything, just BS. And frankly, you're boring MongerForSex, LOL.[/QUOTE]For those, whose favorite or affordable car is old dirty and rusty Ford Fiesta, a Bentley ride is not achievable. And now all VM fans, back to sweating and do not forget take your Vitamins. Another ride in paradise, enjoy it! LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247039]You hit the nail on the head. This is the same as T44 trying to deny other mongers the dignity that they are entitled to because they fucked in a place that he would not. I do not see myself as the one who gives out the dignity passes, but it seems that T44 and other members of society have been charged with this task.[/QUOTE]How can I deny something that some mongers (VM fans) do not have at all? Going those kind of places proves that. Do you really think that I am only one who thinks that way? Read: hygiene=dignity, surroundings=dignity. Cannot accept the reality? Do not expect that everybody cheer to you because you paid R25-60 for sex or accept your way of living.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2247039]I would not say blame, but if you consider a guy that goes there and fucks for 5 minutes as having no dignity, then it stands to reason there is no modicum of hope in the dignity department for the lady that goes there to fuck all day everyday.[/QUOTE]The guys HAVE a choice and can avoid those kind of places, the women working there DO not because they DO need at least some money, selling themselves for pennies.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2247047]The guys HAVE a choice and can avoid those kind of places, the women working there DO not because they DO need at least some money, selling themselves for pennies.[/QUOTE]Are you freaking trolling me now? EVERYONE has a choice. You can't tell me that the millions of women that live in Rio that do not sell pussy have all the choices available in the history of the world, the thousands that do sell pussy (but not in VM) have somewhat of a choice, and the hundreds that sell pussy in VM have no choice at all. Get the fuck out of here with that BS.

Selling themselves for pennies? The man just told you the other day that now VM costs just as much as some of those downtown office building prives these days. Hell I just posted yesterday the damn flyer where the prive was 50 reais whereas they are going to ask 60 in VM.

And speaking of choices AND VM, me and another board member have CHOSEN to go to VM in a couple of hours if anyone cares to join us. We promise to leave our dignity back at our hotels.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2246705]Could you point out where I blamed women working there instead of asking about dignity of men to have a sex in facility of this condition? Focus on facts but not on BS, you have been wrote it enough in SP forum.[/QUOTE]You keep saying that other people are not reading properly. How is it that you have this problem repeatedly on this site? It has less to do with your opinions than with your style. You may consider style as "BS", but in writing style is 50% or more of the message. Maybe when so many people read your posts as you did not intend then the problem is in the writing not the reading. You repeatedly insult other forum members and then try to play the victim, suggesting that we are out to get you, or we cannot handle your opinions. I mean seriously, do you realize how ridiculous that is?

Lets see what you wrote.

"This picture tells more about you than a thousand words in your trip reports. Also the girls who have a self respect, do not fuck in those kind of rooms. "

In another post:

"Therefore I prefer private models, knowing that they do respect herself and do not go those kind (as in photo) places."

I acknowledge that you were primarily criticizing the mongers but you also damned the women, quite clearly. You are stating that the girls that work in these places do not have self respect. Those are your words. I an clearly others interpreted them as derogatory of the girls as well as the men. If you are now claiming that you were not impugning the dignity of the women, then fine, we are in agreement, but that is not what you wrote and that is what I responded to.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;2247039]Some of those chicks have been working there 20 years.[/QUOTE]
Very true. There are some longtimers in VM. They seem to do fine. They have their regular customers and seems to be busy. Also right that several Help-girls used to work at VM.
Many girls find VM a good place to work at. They have the security. The house only charges the room and lets the girls keep the rest. At a privê the house would take about 50% of what you pay the girl.

A goodlooking girl at VM will be very busy and earn a lot. I met a girl at VM I ended up seeing outside VM for freebies. Very beautiful, always happy, full of energy and 18 years old. She quickly became very popular at VM. Once I passed by her casa at VM to chat and looked in the logbook where the girls write their name when going up with a client. That day she had 23 clients. That was back when they charged R$25 (R$20 to the girl and R$5 to the house). She had made R$460 in less than a day. She only worked 2 months in VM and then went back to her village in the interior to study.

[QUOTE=Traveller44;2247044]How can I deny something that some mongers (VM fans) do not have at all? Going those kind of places proves that. Do you really think that I am only one who thinks that way? Read: hygiene=dignity, surroundings=dignity. Cannot accept the reality? Do not expect that everybody cheer to you because you paid R25-60 for sex or accept your way of living.[/QUOTE]90% of the population of the Western World would argue that you, Traveller 44, have no "dignity" by even considering sex with a prostitute, regardless of her surroundings and hygiene. There is no room for judgmental attitudes and comments among us hobbyists, as we are the ones who are eternally being judged because of our private choices and personal preferences.