American Politics

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3026330]Everyonebut the monster.

Yes they are good God fearing MAGA Patriots that's why "its" own father turned him in.

If they were Democrats I'm guessing they would of paid you to let "it" stay with you indefinitely.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/09/12/friend-of-alleged-kirk-assassin-described-tyler-robinson-as-pretty-left-on-everything/[/URL][/QUOTE]He is the product of a 100% MAGA environment; Family, Town, State, Schools, World. All MAGA. His MAGA Granny knows him and her entire MAGA Family from birth to today better than his friends.

I thought MAGA Famlies, Schools, Mayors and Governors magically prevented their constituents and everyone who shared the same air from becoming murderers.

Thanks is in order once again for your lovely post. Lololol. I love how you always refer to Trump as the Fuhrer LOL. Proves my point from earlier.

I also love how we keep having this discussion on my friends death from Biden's open border policy. Yes, I revealed that my very good friend died from fentanyl because some one had asked me how has the open border personally affected me. It was not to garner sympathy. I don't know why would even come to that conclusion. Only some one who can't think straight and can't remove their bias from their better judgement would think that. 50,000 people a year die from Fentanyl in USA. Biden opened the border. My personal experience shaped my views on this policy. Simple as that. Argue the policy all you want, only a sad angry person would really get bitter and think I am telling that story to get some sympathy. You called me friend drugged up and mocked him for his weakness also. I ll elaborate on that for context as I originally did when I shared this experience with the forum. He was weak, and he did struggle with addiction, and it wasn't the fentanyl that ultimately killed him, it was inability to quit using drugs. He was ill. If it wasn't the fentanyl, ultimately it was going to be something else. The fentanyl did make it easier though. As you state, this is a political forum and we are here to debate politics. How does rubbing in my face the death of my friend from Biden's open border policy prove any political argument you are trying to make? It doesn't, you are just an angry man who likes to hurt people who don't agree with your views. It a filthy move. I ll give you a similar scenario. You can go out to eat breakfast and you don't have to tip your waitress, but only an asshole would actually do that. Sure, you can use my friend's death because I revealed it on the forum, but only a sad angry bitter person would actually use it the way you would.

In regards to Trump and murdering some one on the White House lawn. Everyone has read this multiple times and everyone understand the point I was making, even you. Yet you still twist my words on it like a total weirdo and refuse to acknowledge what I meant it intended to be. You look so weird sticking to trying to twist my words on that LOL. Even other members are posting on this nonsense LOL. Again, that is something that trolls do. The only time they can feel happiness is hurting and deceiving others. It clearly shows who you are as a person. It shows this forum what your really about. This is why I love that you keep posting LOL. People read this back and forth between me and you and they say to themselves, nah I don't want to be part of a group of people who cheer people dying just because they don't agree with me. You are a great ally to the MAGA HEAVEN cause. People read this and then they know not to take your posts serious and not to be put any weight on anything you write. You have no power here. So again, love your posts my brother LOL. Please keep up the good fight by strengthening MAGA HEAVEN.

In regards to political violence. I condemn it all sides and all acts of political violence should be reported and spoken out against. I will say the more I read about Charlie Kirk the more I understand why people didn't like him. He had some silly views. He was against Juneteenth. Who gives a fuck if USA has a Juneteenth holiday. But he said nothing which justifies celebrating his death and he is still a hero to many. If Trump didn't acknowledge an act of political violence then he wrong. No other way to look at it for me. Sorry the representative was killed. It is a a true sin to kill some one over politics.

In regards to Trump's supporters not realizing his schemes. They do get it. Everyone knows Trump is a bit of an asshole and he can be shady. This is modern politics and he is fighting fire with fire. How many fake impeachments did he have? Fake Russia hoax? Fake Russia pee scandal? The list could go on. The problem Trump supporters face is, Democrats did such a horrific job under a delusional Biden. My god that was so embarrassing to see him as President. What insane policies this guy had. So, the Democrats forced us to turn to a guy like Trump because hes the only one willing to step into the fire and take the heat and speak on our behalf. And its a lot of heat he takes. Personally, I would prefer a more traditional President, but that wasn't an option for 2024.

I am being very real now. You did take some time to explain your views which I appreciate. Your not a troll 100% of the time so I'll throw you a bone. If your going to site a source, don't use the Atlantic or any source which is clearly biased. It pushes the people you want to convince away from your point. It would be like me citing Alex Jones to prove a point on the border policy. As soon as people see Alex Jones, they turn away because they know he is clearly biased. Pick a neutral website to cite your arguments.

One need go no further than this to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Charlie Kirk's killer was born, raised, indoctrinated, bred and groomed to be 100% pure Repub MAGA than this revelation below.

Only Repub MAGAs are this obsessed with trannies. Hell, I live in Bangkok Thailand and nobody here talks about, focuses on, looks for, dreams and obsesses about trannies more than American Repub MAGAs!

Just look at all the "woke'-obsessed posts from Repub MAGAs in this forum!

[B]Unmasking 'Luna': Charlie Kirk Assassin Suspect's Alleged Lover Is Confirmed to Be Trans.
I investigate the evidence confirming that Tyler Robinson's room mate, who authorities believe was actually his romantic partner, is trans.
Sept. 14, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.ngocomment.com/p/unmasking-luna-charlie-kirk-assassin[/URL]

[B]Bizarre video of Rudy Giuliani dressed in drag while being seduced by Donald Trump resurfaces.
'Oh, you dirty boy, you!, the mayor exclaims and slaps Mr Trump in the face,' says former New York mayor's alter-ego.
May 10, 2018[/B]

[URL]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rudy-guiliani-donald-trump-drag-video-seduce-new-york-mayor-us-president-a8344921.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026338]Thanks! Glad you like my posts and I always have posted my best and will continue to do so!

First and foremost, this is a debate forum! Specifically an American political debate forum!

When [B]YOU[/B] drag your dead drugged up friend, into a political debate as political cannon fodder (to garner sympathy, that is on YOU! And then talk about your Fuhrer's right to commit murder / violence with impunity, as long as it puts money in "peoples pocket", you will get blow-back, on your apparent cognitive dissonance.

So what. It's humanity for a dead fentanyl user, but none for the person (s) killed by your MAGA Fuhrer, in your morbid WH lawn scenario?

[U]Stochastic Terrorism:[/U]

As the article in The Atlantic ([URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/kirk-assassination-trump-response/684175/[/URL]), points out, that even before the suspect was caught, your Fuhrer's rhetoric and stochastic terrorism, assumes that a left-wing activist had murdered Kirk. Yet conveniently and callously, forgetting the recent (June 2025) political murders and death of Melissa Hort (the 61st Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives) and her husband [I][b]in their private home[/b] (no less).[/I] Yet very little, in the way of condemnation, from Trump w / are to the right-wing nutjobs, that committed the murder.

Again, this is what your Fuhrer does. The so called leader of the country, continues to use right-wing rhetoric to weaponize and divide the country, instead of unifying speech to unite the country, in times of turmoil like these.
[/QUOTE]Here is the link to Trump's Response. Let people watch it and make up their own minds vs a highly biased Article from the Atlantic which you can't even read unless you have a subscription to the Atlantic. SMH.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty1aDcnf5as[/URL]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Trump's response. If a hate crime murder by white supremacists occurred during Obama admin and he criticized far right extremists for it, he would be 100% justified.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g25ihkEfng[/URL]

Interesting. Watch and make up your own mind.

A simple question to lefties: do you think the political point of view expressed in the following video is racist? [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94UqtcXgC3E[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1:3026311]On the other hand, WOW how creepy you must of read back several hundred posts to get back to it almost a year ago. [/QUOTE]Creepy? I think not!

What you call "creepy". Others would simply call it, just good sound investigative journalism, good detective work and an efficient use of the many "ISG SEARCH" functions presented to help ISG users aid, find, suss out and hold members accountable, to the dis / misinformation, truths, hypocrisy and or lies, that are propagated on these here forums.

Yeah dude,. Just good investigative journalism, is what The Cane, posted!

If you want "creepy", look no further then the dude with the red MAGA cap sitting in the WH, for a better definition of "creepy"! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson;3026280]Oh and by the way, I checked your post history. For months now, you have only posted in the American politics forum and not one trip report. You really come here just to post in this forum? You don't do any traveling? Hmmmmmmm, that is a little weird. [/QUOTE]Yeah, you got me! You're as sharp as a tack and can't put anything past you.

But do keep up those "keen detective" skills of yours and plow that same effort into your political discussions and I'm sure we'll have many interesting things to debate?

[U]ISG is rated "E", for Everyone's Contributions:[/U]

I noted you recently professed that you "love ISG". Which is all good BTW. So if that true, you'd know, [I][b]there are many ways to contribute to ISG,[/b][/I] in order to show one's "love" and "passion" of ISG. Right?

Ergo. So long story short, you contribute in your way, and I'll contribute in mine!

That said, I'm an ISGer, that doesn't care whether ISG members have been on ISG for 20 min. Or 20 yrs, just so long as they contribute what they want [U][b]and[/b] they feel comfortable and welcomed doing so.[/U].

[U]So let's not turn this into a pissing contest...right?:[/U]

But if you are looking to turn this into a pissing contest, there are two (2) things, to consider and keep-in-mind:
[LIST]First, I know today, we all live in a [i][b]"what have you done for me lately world",[/b][/i] so you definitely got me on that front, with regards to new travel contributions.[/LIST][LIST]But second, keep-in-mind, some of us long-time OG ISG cats/members (before it was even ISG), [i][b]have been contributing for over 25, +30 years.[/b][/i]

N'cest pas, mon amie?[/LIST]
Anywho, just wanted to say "thanks" and I appreciating you updating me on my travel plans. But I'm [B]not[/B] currently auditioning or in the market for a travel agent. However, your concerns are duly noted!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026387]In response to the revelation that Charlie Kirk's killer is a product of Repub MAGA Wingers in a Repub MAGA Family in a Repub MAGA Town in a Repub MAGA Red State, the most divisive, dumbest, worst so-called president in history speaks to the nation he and his Repub MAGAs are trying to destroy! Again.

[B]Trump says he wants national healing while blaming 'radical left' as a barrier.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/13/trump-charlie-kirk-radical-left.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]No surprise, as he continues to talk out of both sides of his mouth.

The right-wing have always had difficulties wrestling and coming to grips, with their sordid past and the vast majority of an asymmetric history of political violence in America.

While a recent report details, that political violence maybe rare in America, the data again clearly states, that outside of the 9/11 attack, the majority of political violence is perpetrated by [B]right-wing extremists[/B].

[B]Politically Motivated Violence Is Rare in the United States, [/B]Sept 11,2025.
[LIST][i]"A total of 3,599 people have been murdered in politically motivated terrorist attacks in the United States from January 1, 1975, through September 10, 2025."

Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for [b]391 murders[/b] and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies."

Left-wing terrorists murdered [b]65 people[/b], or about 2 percent of the total."[/i] [url]https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states[/url][/LIST]
The data bear out, that the MAGA Fuhrer, is once again spreading lies and falsehoods, when it come to who is committing the majority of the political violence.

The asymmetric data strongly supports and shows, that [I][b]right-wingers are indeed committing the vast majority of political violence,[/b]/[/I] from the last five years and by long-term data when the outlier of 9/11 is excluded.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3026426][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g25ihkEfng[/URL]
Interesting. Watch and make up your own mind.[/QUOTE]The funniest moment was after Cox goes on and on about how Social Media "hacks into our minds" and drives the urge to the violence that is behind all of these assassinations, they show a clip of Trump on Mainstream Media repeating the same vile, bithering, incoherent and totally unsubstantiated mob violence-inspiring lies about the "Radical Left" he sends out on his Social Media every day and Repub MAGA State Governor Cox suddenly turns into a purring little kitten about his lord and savior just feeling so sad about his young white male supporter right now. LOL.

Yes, Social Media is carrying messages of violence being the answer to the irrational hatred fostered by that same Social Media, when it carries the Trump / MAGA message. The same with Mainstream Media.

Regardless what personal or political changes occurred in Robinson, he was not influenced by anyone on the Left, Radical or not, to pick up a gun and go for a "2nd Amendment Remedy" for his grievances.

That came straight from Trump and his fellow MAGAs in and around Robinson's entire Repub MAGA upbringing and Repub MAGA environment, not from Oprah Winfry or Joe Biden:

[B]Trump Just The Latest On Hard Right To Call For 2nd Amendment Remedies.
Aug. 11, 2016[/B]

[URL]https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/trump-second-amendment-people-context[/URL]

[QUOTE]Donald Trumps remark Tuesday that the Second Amendment people might take out a President Hillary Clinton to stop her from appointing liberal Supreme Court justices fits a now-familiar pattern: Trump takes an idea that has been simmering at the fringes of the hard right and shouts it from his platform as the GOP presidential nominee.
............
"If she gets to pick her judges, Trump said, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is.[/QUOTE]How's that for assassination-inspiring vicious and vile messaging to "hack into the minds" of Repub MAGAs and "influence" them to pick up a gun to satisfy their grievances?

Note the date of that article. He has been doing that since before his first term and one could argue was the reason Repub MAGAs voted for him in such high Repub MAGA Party numbers despite getting millions fewer votes than his Dem candidate opponent.

And we know how malleable and easily manipulated Repub MAGAs are to any written or spoken messaging anyway. Damn. They'll happily vote for one Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession, Historic Massive Repub Jobs Destruction after another, higher gas, food and housing prices, global economy-destroying Pandemics, you name it, just to "own the libs" after reading a bit of truth about themselves on a website like this one! Lolol.

Picking up a gun to apply the Repub MAGA-patented 2nd Amendment Remedy for everything that ails them is the norm for that Party.

Born and raised self-loathing suckers through and though. Which is why lifelong conman Trump ran as a Repub MAGA Party candidate in the first place.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3026338]Thanks! Glad you like my posts and I always have posted my best and will continue to do so!

First and foremost, this is a debate forum! Specifically an American political debate forum!

When [B]YOU[/B] drag your dead drugged up friend, into a political debate as political cannon fodder (to garner sympathy, that is on YOU! And then talk about your Fuhrer's right to commit murder / violence with impunity, as long as it puts money in "peoples pocket", you will get blow-back, on your apparent cognitive dissonance.

So what. It's humanity for a dead fentanyl user, but none for the person (s) killed by your MAGA Fuhrer, in your morbid WH lawn scenario?

[U]Stochastic Terrorism:[/U]

As the article in The Atlantic ([URL]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/09/kirk-assassination-trump-response/684175/[/URL]), points out, that even before the suspect was caught, your Fuhrer's rhetoric and stochastic terrorism, assumes that a left-wing activist had murdered Kirk. Yet conveniently and callously, forgetting the recent (June 2025) political murders and death of Melissa Hort (the 61st Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives) and her husband [I][b]in their private home[/b] (no less).[/I] Yet very little, in the way of condemnation, from Trump w / are to the right-wing nutjobs, that committed the murder.

Again, this is what your Fuhrer does. The so called leader of the country, continues to use right-wing rhetoric to weaponize and divide the country, instead of unifying speech to unite the country, in times of turmoil like these.[/QUOTE]Tampon Tim doesn't hire MAGA.

Boelter, who was appointed by Walz's in 2019 to serve on Governor's Workforce Development Board.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3026378]Traditional liberalism cannot exist in the current power structure of the woke totalitarian Democrat party. Fetterman survives, but for how long. I am pretty sure he will be challenged by a woke radical in his next primary as was Lieberman in his day before he was forced to leave the party to stay in office. Manchin is another example of the dying breed: a liberal democrat. As corporate America is learning go woke, go broke, the Democrat party will have to learn go woke, lose national elections.[/QUOTE]Yes many Boards of Directors have learned hitching your financial future to the wagon of the likes of Kirks assassin is a losing business model.

I suspect if the owner of ISG would embrace "free speech" they would probably see their bottom line improve.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3026421]One need go no further than this to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Charlie Kirk's killer was born, raised, indoctrinated, bred and groomed to be 100% pure Repub MAGA than this revelation below.

Only Repub MAGAs are this obsessed with trannies. Hell, I live in Bangkok Thailand and nobody here talks about, focuses on, looks for, dreams and obsesses about trannies more than American Repub MAGAs!

Just look at all the "woke'-obsessed posts from Repub MAGAs in this forum!

[B]Unmasking 'Luna': Charlie Kirk Assassin Suspect's Alleged Lover Is Confirmed to Be Trans.
I investigate the evidence confirming that Tyler Robinson's room mate, who authorities believe was actually his romantic partner, is trans.
Sept. 14, 2025[/B][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html[/URL]

Look at "ITS" mugshot it represents the twisted average anti American White male (deranged) Harris voter!!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3026509][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/14/us/kirk-shooting-suspect-ideology-partner.html[/URL]

Look at "ITS" mugshot it represents the twisted average anti American White male (deranged) Harris voter!![/QUOTE]As the product of Repub MAGA World since birth, Kirk's killer is more than likely a wannabe tranny himself.

At age 22 today, that means he has been influenced by quite possibly if not probably closeted Repub MAGA Trump, his quite possibly if not probably closeted Repub MAGA Red State Governor / s, the quite possibly if not probably closeted Repub MAGA Congress, Repub MAGA City Mayors, Repub MAGA State, Repub MAGA schools and Repub MAGA family since at least age 13 to apply the Repub MAGA-recommended 2nd Amendment Remedy to solve all of his societal grievances and satisfy his political assassination urges.

There is no "lib" Dem counterpart to that Repub MAGA 2nd Amendment Remedy for political outcomes the Repub MAGAs don't like. No "leftist" equivalence of it.

Trump wholeheartedly encouraged his Repub MAGA Cultusts to consider applying that Remedy to any Democratic candidate who won a free and fair elections ever since weeks before Hillary Clinton trounced him in the popular vote by millions and millions of votes in 2016.

You have never heard a Dem president, Dem Congressman, Dem Mayor or Dem Governor suggest such a thing about a possible Repub MAGA election winner.

And neither has Tyler Robinson.

He wasn't indoctrinated into reaching for a 2nd Amendment gun to provide a Remedy to his grievances out of thin air from a university class at age 18, from watching Oprah Winfry on tv or hearing Joe Biden deliver a perfectly lucid and coherent speech in every complex detail and nuance about how he put together some of the most effective and positive bi-partisan economic recovery and national security legislation in USA History.

Robinson's murder of Charlie Kirk was the product of Repub MAGA and Trump influence. And lots of it. Period.

Boy oh boy, the topic of gas prices were all the rage in MAGA World before the election. Now, not so much.

Therefore, to update the MAGAs and anyone else here about the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline in the USA today, I am sorry to announce it is higher today than it was yesterday, higher both days than it was last month, higher than it was the day Trump took office, higher than on election day, in fact higher more often under Trump than it was under Biden going way back to October 2024, almost a year ago.

Even more shocking, since the price of gas was characterized by MAGAs for all of last year as the make or break factor in a happy and prosperous life, it was only one iddy-biddy penny lower last week than it was exactly last year under Biden, when MAGA's lives were being destroyed because of it. Lolol.

[URL]https://gasprices.aaa.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts[/URL]