American Politics

[NOPARSE]With the silencing and cancelling of Kimmel, is that IT...for free speech in the U.S?[/NOPARSE]

[B]Yanking Jimmy Kimmel’s show is a new low for free speech in America,[/B] Sep 19,2025.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/19/jimmy-kimmel-free-speech-trump[/URL]

[NOPARSE]By all accounts the corporate American is falling right-in-line with a authoritarian MAGA admin, that is right on track with is fascist right-wing playbook, ...Project 2025

Iran, China, Egypt, Hungry...Turkey...Russia, now...America[/NOPARSE]? So now it's Free Speech for MAGA, but none for you, America?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027331]I also meant it as a figure of speech. [b]Only biased individuals who are overly sensitive[/b] would take that statement literal and not understand its' intent.
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Hopefully you realize my intent and come to the conclusion that anyone who takes offense to that over victims of gun violence or the second amendment is some one who is way too overly sensitive. ...It is not healthy to go through life and be so sensitive to things and always try to make yourself feel offended and angry. [/QUOTE]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027331] I even state with the original statement that I find it sad that his supporters are so blindly loyal. I base this on the multitude of controversies surrounding Trump including Epstein Island, Trump University, Pussy Grabber, Sexual Harrassment lawsuit, the list could on. Hopefully you get the point. Trump has been through so many scandals and his supporters are still there, this shows they are going to back him no matter what. That is why I made the statement that I did. I was being critical of his base.[/QUOTE]Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027331]Nothing in my post has anything to do with real violence. It is a figure of speech. It is first amendment protected and I am not a public figure. I am some random guy on a forum. [/QUOTE]Really? Keep telling yourself that!
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment ..."[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole" for president! I think it's safe to say, Americans do however, want a president that will govern, for the best interest for MOST ALL Americans and NOT just for themselves and their pickpocket billionaires!

You may not realize your doing it, or realize that when you use so called "exaggerated" figures of speech (that to me and many others), that kind of speech is both offensive, insensitive and akin to [B]political violent MAGA dog whistling[/B], that (IMHO) spreads the devaluation of human life, over political ideology and money.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3027319]As everyone knows and as the blatantly obvious results show, not one typically Blue-ish state flipped to Trump in 2024 due to Latinos, young people and Black Men choosing Trump over Harris on any issue constantly harped on by Repubs and their perennial benefactors in Mainstream Media.

No, instead the winner of the 2024 presidential election was determined in only 3 swing states, yes typically Blue-ish, but not because any of those above-mentioned demographics turned out to vote for Trump or against Harris because of the economy, inflation, immigration, crime, non-existent "woke-ism", pronouns or trannies.

We know that because there was no particularly notable push to motivate and mobilize any of those demographics on any of those issues in the only three swing states that mattered and that ultimately did determine the winner and instead it was due to a particular motivation and mobilization of one particular demographic on one particular issue that was just enough to swing less than 0. 75 of a single percentage point from Harris to Trump across all of those three swing states and hand him the win..[/QUOTE][URL]https://x.com/TheImmortal007/status/1969108300441485489[/URL]

[URL]https://x.com/WhatsNxAmerica/status/1969131210497527836[/URL]

#1 yes George was a criminal.

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/government-shutdown-trump-democrats-republicans-rcna232248[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027349]If you feel that such an exaggeration is still wrong, then again, you are too sensitive and it would be insane to put that much of a limit on free speech.[/QUOTE]See below. Seems to me you're the one being overly sensitive here. Going on and on about this. How about just give it a rest? I love being underestimated. Always sets me up for a crushing victory! Or at least making the other side look rather silly.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027336]First of all you said "don't take shots", then you start taking shots. I don't need "help", and I do understand what's going on. I'm an educated man who understands matters of speech. But apparently you don't understand them because I was referencing "getting away with murder" to emphasize my point. So you criticize me for not getting it when you demonstrate you don't get it yourself LMAO! Second, I didn't say you personally were a hardcore Trumpster, but with your words you seem to excuse their behavior, which I find to be objectionable. And third, still you refuse to answer the core question I asked? Who is it in fact who is "deranged"? Why isn't it those who blindly follow Trump no matter what, even after all of his scandals (you mentioned only a few), and his trampling upon the Constitution? Blind loyalty, [B]no matter what[/B]. Isn't that a deranged mentality? And when the nation's democracy is at stake (yes I believe that), then what to do about it? Because to simply say "it's sad" and leave it at that is unacceptable. This is some serious shit! Donald Trump is one of the most divisive figures in the entire history of the country because of his behavior before and during in the White House, who around 40% of the people are willing to blindly follow right down the shitter. And you sir are also an enabler if all you have to offer is a "sad but true". Those who live in reality know freedom isn't free. Which means we must fight the authoritarian right to the end![/QUOTE]If you feel that such an exaggeration is still wrong, then again, you are too sensitive and it would be insane to put that much of a limit on free speech. It reminds me of prohibition in the 1920's. People outlawed alcohol with the goal of creating a healthier society. It had the exact opposite effect. People are people and will continue to be people no matter what. People are going to drink and all prohibition did was drive the alcohol market to the criminal underworld which led to them using their new power to influence national politics and also taking advantage of innocent businesses across the country with protection rackets and other illegal schemes. In the end all prohibition did was create a more toxic society. The same is true if you make people walk on egg shells all day. It will drive us nuts, just like you have probably been seeing every day in the news with the senseless acts of rage violence and other stupid shit.

Ok so I was willing to give you a chance but you have shown me you also have Trump derangement syndrome and are incapable of being unbiased. No worries mate, that will be your cross to bear LOL. I feel bad you will carry so much senseless hate in your heart but that is on you. You will have your opinion and I know the truth and intent of what I wrote and only a deranged individual would come to the conclusions that you have on what I wrote. It is what it is LOL.

I think the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum are deranged. If you dressed up like a viking and ran through the White House on Jan. 6, you need some help. If your having a nervous break down over my original statement, or coming to the conclusions you did, my opinion is you need help LOL. I m very critical of those who blindly follow Trump. I can't make it any more clear. I was criticizing Trump's supporters and some how you take away Trump is actually going to kill some one on the white law LOL, and "get away with murder". LOL you can't make this up hahahaha! I have explained it so many times that was not my intent and you refuse to believe me and just want so badly to be angry and get yourself upset LOL. It is bizarre and I hope you find peace my man. Life is short to be so easily riled up.

I would have dropped this and ignored a long time ago, but I feel honor bound to defend my dead friend. The dude was a very good friend and Spidy who is extremely disrespectful and makes things very personal will not let it go, so I will continue to explain the intent of my post and be critical of him.

You Cane can continue to give yourself a nervous breakdown over this, but I can't waste my time with an unreasonable person. I have said my peace and hope you get some relief my brother.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027357]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

Really? Keep telling yourself that!.[/QUOTE]Nope not violent speech at all LOL. Read previous post.

Nope, America elected Donald and he is the President. He is representing all people of the country whether you like it or not. That is Democracy LOL.

When is your next trip Spidy? Just curious LOL.

Oh and let's do more cognitive dissonance stuff to deflect from the fact you are incapable of having a logical argument. Next up will be a routine on logical fallacies LOL? You will do anything to avoid an.

Actual debate.

I am all about helping people who need it. I took it upon myself to tell you how to find relief for your illness. You clearly have Trump Derangement syndrome and it is time you have to face the facts and get help. Dial 1-800-2-tickets-2-MAGA-HEAVEN to set up an appointment with a Doctor that can treat you.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027320]Then you turn right around support a guy and all his enablers who does exactly that (and more). How is that standing up for responsibility and opposing hate? Explain that. Still waiting. You can't explain it and constantly try to change the subject and muddy the waters.[/QUOTE]If you are so fucking smart, Cane, how could you be so wrong with the election prediction Cane? I know your world. I see it every fucking day. You surround yourselves with like minded people, and all you do is say how smart you are and how dumb Republicans are, and the more you carry on, the smarter you think you are. That is why your sorry ass predicted there was no way Trump would win. Do you know anyone who voted for Trump? Is there anyone who you know who voted for Trump and is not crazy?

How could so many Latin men and women and black men vote for someone so racist as Trump? How did he win Cane? I showed you how I see both sides of an issue when it comes to housing. You showed me you do not. No, every one who votes for Trump is a crazed lunatic who wants to suck his dick.

Ah well, you are back to your Democratic douche ways. When you call half the country delusional, chances are it is you not they that are delusional.

Oh yeah, and thanks for gracing us with your presence and incredible insight. Trumpsters are delusional? Wow, that is such an original thought and it was so worthy of your time to write it. I have not heard that one for like what, a whole five minutes Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out, Mr. My time is more valuable than anyone else's.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027357]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

Really? Keep telling yourself that!
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment ..."[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole" for president! I think it's safe to say, Americans do however, want a president that will govern, for the best interest for MOST ALL Americans and NOT just for themselves and their pickpocket billionaires!

You may not realize your doing it, or realize that when you use so called "exaggerated" figures of speech (that to me and many others), that kind of speech is both offensive, insensitive and akin to [B]political violent MAGA dog whistling[/B], that (IMHO) spreads the devaluation of human life, over political ideology and money.[/QUOTE]Just curious, if your this upset over what I wrote, how do you sleep at night knowing Trump is a two time President and the country you live in, I am assuming your American, elected him twice. LOL that has got to suck for you bro. Sweet dreams and don't let the bed bugs bite LOL.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027357]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

Really? Keep telling yourself that!
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket one way or another. The means no longer matter, only the ends. Sad, but true. Trump is the asshole America wants at the moment ..."[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole" for president! I think it's safe to say, Americans do however, want a president that will govern, for the best interest for MOST ALL Americans and NOT just for themselves and their pickpocket billionaires!

You may not realize your doing it, or realize that when you use so called "exaggerated" figures of speech (that to me and many others), that kind of speech is both offensive, insensitive and akin to [B]political violent MAGA dog whistling[/B], that (IMHO) spreads the devaluation of human life, over political ideology and money.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]No your wrong! And Only 49.8% of Americans voted for the the dude. So more than half the country don't what this "asshole' for president![/QUOTE]I just wanted to point out that it was only 49.8% [B]of the electorate that bothered to vote[/B] that wanted that asshole to be president.

Which makes it more like 22% of Americans voting for him.

And when you factor in the reality that is was a swing of less than 115,000 angry Muslim votes from Harris to Trump across the only 3 swing states that mattered being the sole reason Trump won based on the players on the field and not on who we wish had not sat out the game, it comes down to [B]less than
0. 034% of Americans[/B] being directly responsible for Trump winning based on their votes.

And even they sincerely regretted their stupid decision almost immediately after the election.

That is the "landslide" and "voter mandate" that Trump and his Cult Followers keep referencing.

Now, if we go by the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site, their consensus of polls show a growing majority of Americans, not necessarily just those who voted, Disapproving of Trump's Job Performance so far. And without RCP rushing in those wildly Repub-biased Rasmussen and Rasmussen-related polls so often to save the day for their beloved Trump, his majority Disapproval would be much worse.

See screenshots below.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027350][NOPARSE]With the silencing and cancelling of Kimmel, is that IT...for free speech in the U.S?[/NOPARSE]

[B]Yanking Jimmy Kimmels show is a new low for free speech in America,[/B] Sep 19,2025.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/19/jimmy-kimmel-free-speech-trump[/URL]

[NOPARSE]By all accounts the corporate American is falling right-in-line with a authoritarian MAGA admin, that is right on track with is fascist right-wing playbook, ...Project 2025

Iran, China, Egypt, Hungry...Turkey...Russia, now...America[/NOPARSE]? So now it's Free Speech for MAGA, but none for you, America?[/QUOTE]What were Kimmel's ratings? Was he costing the network money because he sucked as a comedian. Dude was fucking lame. Nothing to do with politics, he sucked as comedic delivery. If no one watches your show, network will find a way to cancel you. I am not saying that happened here, just stating it would not surprise if that was the reason.

Even though I hate their politics, Jon Stewart and Colbert are amazing comedians. They flawlessly delivery comedy, especially Stewart.

[URL]https://x.com/TheImmortal007/status/1968140170722689055[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027357]Really? Perhaps you should take your own advice!

Since when was it up to you, to tell people how they should feel, about reading what someone wrote a post? Once again, there's that MAGA insensitive [B]cognitive dissonance[/B]!

Sounds more like a cult! Yeah, BTW, of which you are one of them!

Really? Keep telling yourself that!.[/QUOTE]His base loves him. They are so fed up with people who have lost every step of the way their wholes lives. They are fed up with people who didn't do the work like they were supposed to. Now those people who didn't do the work are getting older and finally realize they are screwed. They are out of shape, unhealthy, financially poor individuals who didn't earn the right to work and contribute. The only emotion they felt their whole life was the pain of losing and they felt it so much they started to like because it was the only thing they could feel. They become addicted to being offended because it is the only time they get any attention. Spidy, you come off exactly like this. This is why people are sick of, the far left weirdos like antifa and the insane views they have like putting men in women's sports and Tranny kindergarten read aloud time. It is people like you why Trump exists. People had to turn to an asshole because he was the only one brave enough to call out the bull shit far left for their insanity. People like you are the reason were in this fucking insane mess with a fucked up dude like Trump. So hate Trump all you want, you are reason he exists! Keep up the insane posts which drive people who used to be left to the right. People read your posts and see you even when the author of a post, me I wrote the post LOL, tells you multiple times what his post means, you still refuse to acknowledge its means because that would mean you don't get to argue and troll people. You are the only strengthening MAGA and making things like Jan. 6th possible.

For the record, when I say losers, I am only referring to some far left weirdos like Spidy, not all Democrats and not even all people on the far left. Just the bizarre ones who suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027146]If Trump said something that is hate speech, that is on him. I have done no such thing. I simply pointed out that Trump is immensely popular with his supporters to the point he could kill some one publicly on the White House lawn and people would still support him.[/QUOTE]But you forgot to tell the good people reading your post, about your prefacing statement, w/r to "...Trump could kill a man on the WH lawn...", when prior to that you stated.
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results.

Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i] [url]
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
[NOPARSE]Your post, clearly shows us, where your "morale compass" is pointing and a complete lack of empathy for human suffering (save death by drugs), so long as the [b]"...end justifies the mean",[/b] even if it is morally questionable....right![/NOPARSE]

And BTW you'd be dead wrong, with regards to your wrongheaded, insenstive, callous assumptions. So let me be clear:
[LIST][i]"YES...people, still do care about [b]RIGHT[/b] and [b]WRONG!...[/b]"[/i] [u]But clearly [u]YOU[/u] do NOT![/u][/LIST]
[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027146]Trump's supporters will read that if they are on this forum, and completely understand it was a statement to show Trump's base loves him and they are endeared to him to a degree they will still accept him even if he commits criminal acts. They will not start killing people on the White House lawn like you are trying to imply LOL. [/QUOTE]Oh, come now, I'm sure Trumpsters, understood YOUR dog whistle just fine! Just as clearly as they understood, Trump's "5th Avenue" and "Jan 6th sacking of the Capital", dog whistles.

[B]Trump lionizes Jan. 6 rioters as ‘warriors.’ Could the dog whistle be any louder?[/B] June 17,2024. [URL]https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2024-06-17/donald-trump-militia-capitol-riot-attackers-hostages-warriors-jan-6-defendants[/URL].

[QUOTE][b]Los Angeles Times:[/b] "On Jan. 6, 2021, more than 2,000 supporters of then-President Trump stormed the U.S. Capitol, hoping to stop the certification of President Biden’s election. Many came armed with pistols, knives, baseball bats, metal pipes, stun guns, or bear spray, and used them to attack police. Some 140 officers were assaulted."

[b]That’s a pretty loud dog whistle[/b] — only one step removed from [b]“stand back and stand by,”[/b] Trump’s instruction to the extremist Proud Boys during the 2020 campaign. (They stood by until Jan. 6, when they showed up to batter down the Capitol’s doors.)[/QUOTE]Yeah, I guess MAGA suckers, who think and believe, there's no [B]right[/B] and [B]wrong[/B] anymore, are either amoral to begin with or just moral nihilists, that feel justified thinking since their MAGA Fuhrer's dog whistles tells them, they'll be pardoned or bailed out for their crimes. (ie. Aggravated assault, political violence, child pornography, sex trafficking and EVEN heinous murder).

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027146]Just please, explain how you think people who have lost loved ones to murder might be offended by what I have written. Just explain it. No cognitive dissonance bullshit. Actually explain how some one could be offended by what I have written or what I have written has anything to do with gun violence or the second amendment [/QUOTE][NOPARSE]You want me to explain, your own morality...to you[/NOPARSE]?

You think and believe there's no right or wrong anymore and then ask me to explain it to you? [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I][NOPARSE] I suppose that was an "exaggerated" expression too?...right[/NOPARSE]!

I've already explained it to you and you've sluffed-it-off as bullshit! Not that I'm expecting you'd believe anything I told you anyways!

The mere fact, that you truly believe, there is no right and wrong anymore, is evidence of [B]your cognitive dissonance:[/B].
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People [u]don't give a fuck about right and wrong[/u] anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results.

Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]This plays perfectly into [B]your state of cognitive dissonance[/B] and your ethical indifference and lack of empathy, with regards to, "right and wrong" and to others who've suffered from this type political violent hate speech and stochastic terrorism.

P.S. : BTW, in case you forgot, that pretty good explanation, can be found here: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=3026907&viewfull=1#post3026907[/URL]