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[QUOTE=Spidy;3027350][NOPARSE]With the silencing and cancelling of Kimmel, is that IT...for free speech in the U.S?[/NOPARSE]

[B]Yanking Jimmy Kimmels show is a new low for free speech in America,[/B] Sep 19,2025.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/19/jimmy-kimmel-free-speech-trump[/URL]

[NOPARSE]By all accounts the corporate American is falling right-in-line with a authoritarian MAGA admin, that is right on track with is fascist right-wing playbook, ...Project 2025

Iran, China, Egypt, Hungry...Turkey...Russia, now...America[/NOPARSE]? So now it's Free Speech for MAGA, but none for you, America?[/QUOTE]Nah, this was not a free speech issue and Kimmel has shifted the conversation from Kirk to himself.

From Matt Taibbi's podcast with Walter Kirn, Walter Kirn: Yeah, and I go on one of those shows and I'm friends with the host. And showbiz is gossip world, and Jimmy was on his way out. And before we touch on the legal and social and political and constitutional issues, there's nothing that an entertainer knows in their bones more completely and profoundly than when they're about to get the hook. And he knew it in his bones, and that he chose to go out in this way. Whatever else is true of this situation tells me that he wanted to be a hero. He wanted to be a martyr. He got maybe some of that martyrdom envy from Charlie Kirk.

And the airwaves are owned by the public and because of that, the custom was to be as nonpartisan as possible. Fox has a different mechanism than the other three, and it was making more money so the big three that were on the public airwaves so the networks illegally IMO went from being nonpartisan to being partisan, and they got away it for a while.

Even a Democratic douche like you Spidy has backed away from all your Covid nonsense. This is what Kimmel said about the Covid vaccine: Dr. Fauci said that if hospitals get any more overcrowded, they're going to have to make some very tough choices about who gets an ICU bed. I know that choice doesn't seem so tough to me. Vaccinated person having a heart attack. Yes, come right on in. We'll take care of you. Unvaccinated guy who gobbled horse goo, rest in peace wheezy.

He should have been cancelled for that, and the only reason he was not is that he was parroting an idiotic Democratic douche talking point. A Democratic douche like yourself is talking about freedom after you wanted people even young people forced to be vaxxed? LOL. Yeah, okay, Mr. Freedom Lover.

And Disney could have defended Kimmel but it backed down once the affiliates grumbled and Kimmel was a relic and an embarassment. Disney has also pulled back the strings on the View, and they have not touched the Charlie Kirk death.

Bill Maher was trying to console Kimmel, but there is a big difference. What Maher said that got him canned was unpopular but true, the 9-11 attackers were not cowards. They died for their cause. With Kimmel, he was just parroting Democratic douche propaganda. I think Kimmel is a gutless hack who just says whatever he thinks is popular. Unlike Maher, he goes along with Democrats no matter how stupid they are.

And unllike in Democratic douche land, Ted Cruz has spoken out against the FCC chair Brandon Carr, and I will add to that. Yes, Carr, Kimmel offered himself up as martyr to get Charlie Kirk out of the news cycle, and your dumb ass took the bait. If Walter Kirn knew Kimmel was on the way out, why didn't you?

It is shameful the way Trump and his fellow Repub MAGAs have carried over their consistent historical hypocrisy about everything as shown in their true love for repeatedly voting to Defund the Police, their snowflake softness of crime, disdain for Law and Order, rejection of the Rule of Law, passion to eliminate Freedom of Speech anywhere they can, total devotion to the whims of Russia Russia Russia, being virulently anti-business and economic success and so on to their latest mission to shit all over Charlie Kirk's grave and legacy:

[B]Trump and Republicans find themselves on the other side of the cancel culture wars.
A debate over free speech is raging in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Sept. 18, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-republicans-cancel-culture-wars-rcna232152[/URL]

[QUOTE]At their convention five years ago, President Donald Trump and his Republican Party rallied their supporters fervently against an idea they characterized as a rot on society: cancel culture.

Too many people, they argued one by one in prime-time speeches, were being publicly ostracized in some cases losing their jobs for exercising their constitutional right to free speech.

[B]"To the voiceless, shamed, censored and canceled, my father will fight for you, Eric Trump pledged then.[/b]

But the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, who was among the speakers at that 2020 convention, seems to have rapidly shifted how Trump and other Republicans see the boundaries of free speech and the rules of engagement for a once-loathed cancel culture.[/QUOTE][B]Charlie Kirk's Own Words on Hate Speech Used Against Pam Bondi.
Sept. 16, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirks-own-words-hate-speech-used-against-pam-bondi-2130647[/URL]

[QUOTE]A journalist has responded to Attorney General Pam Bondi saying she would crack down on hate speech following the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk by sharing a 2024 social media post by the conservative activist where he said that hate speech "does not exist."

Mehdi Hasan, who formerly hosted a show on MSNBC, responded to comments by Bondi with a screenshot of an X post by [b]Kirk, in which the conservative posted, "Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech. There's gross speech. There's evil speech. And ALL of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free."[/b]

Bondi spoke about hate speech on an episode of The Katie Miller Podcast.

"There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society," Bondi said.

Bondi added, [b]"We will absolutely target you, go after you, if you are targeting anyone with hate speech."[/b][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3027388]Ok so I was willing to give you a chance but you have shown me you also have Trump derangement syndrome and are incapable of being unbiased.[/QUOTE]I'm so disappointed!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3027393]If you are so fucking smart, Cane, how could you be so wrong with the election prediction Cane? [/QUOTE]Like you predicting that Trump would win in 2020? Well, one has to have confidence in one's positions and views. But even smart people make mistakes. I mean, have a look in the mirror. Better yet, a perusal of your posts in this thread reveals a copious number of errors and faulty reasoning and logic. Too much to even really digest. One thing that sets smart people apart from others is that they learn from their mistakes, whereas stupid people keep doing the same dumb things over and over and over again. Like being willing to follow Donald Trump [B]no matter what he does[/B]. Now [B]that[/B] is the true definition of Trump Derangement Syndrome!

They hid grandpa (Biden) from us! They hid him. They hid grandpa! Once the extent of his decline became fully known, and after the first failed assassination attempt upon Trump and the subsequent raised fist picture, it was done. You know, at the outset it wasn't necessarily an either / or proposition. Biden or Trump. Two unsatisfactory candidates. That wasn't written in stone that it had to be that way. The electorate could have made other choices, especially if Biden had dropped out sooner. But unfortunately, Biden and Trump were the two choices that we had up to the late juncture when he dropped out, placing Harris and the Dems in an unenviable position.

I hope and pray for better in 2026! And yes, my time is one of the most valuable things I have. And I despise giving it to other people who don't deserve it. Done with this!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3027396]I just wanted to point out that it was only 49.8% [B]of the electorate that bothered to vote[/B] that wanted that asshole to be president.

Which makes it more like 22% of Americans voting for him.

And when you factor in the reality that is was a swing of less than 115,000 angry Muslim votes from Harris to Trump across the only 3 swing states that mattered being the sole reason Trump won based on the players on the field and not on who we wish had not sat out the game, it comes down to [B]less than
0. 034% of Americans[/B] being directly responsible for Trump winning based on their votes.

And even they sincerely regretted their stupid decision almost immediately after the election.

That is the "landslide" and "voter mandate" that Trump and his Cult Followers keep referencing.[/QUOTE]Duly noted and much appreciate on the correction!

Got to admit, that that's a pretty sobering correction. If only roughly 22% of Americans, that voted for the "asshole" president (according to RamDavidson84), then it's a hopefully signal for the rest of America to get off their couches and vote.

BTW, still not a "polls guy", but still very much appreciate the attention to details, in providing us with the latest and greatest polls data, charts, diagrams and those MAGA Fuhrer memes.

And he demanded that others like Obama release their grades. We need to get at his taxes next to confirm he isn't as rich as he says he is. Probably leveraged up the wazoo LOL! A total curated fake and a liar! In his first administration he couldn't even say his famous line "you're fired" to cabinet members and other senior officials he wanted out, choosing instead to lambast them in social media. What a loser! The only ones worse than him are those who would blindly follow and bend to him. No matter what he does!

[URL]https://youtu.be/cQeyVlcuBhk?si=vX1W2QcemVH5qK3j[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3027396]I just wanted to point out that it was only 49.8% of the electorate that bothered to vote that wanted that asshole to be president.[/QUOTE]Asshole huh? If he was that bad, then maybe you should have come up with a better alternative.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/top-biden-aide-releases-kraken-autopen-hunters-role-pardongate-and-joes-malfunctioning[/URL]

One of former President Joe Biden's top aides. Jeff Zients, told the House Oversight Committee on Thursday that an aide with his email credentials was green lighting some of the most controversial 'autopen' pardons, that Hunter Biden. Who received an insane pardon himself. Was involved in the pardon discussions, and that Joe Biden's brain was pea soup.

Also interesting. Zients told investigators that Hunter Biden was involved in discussions about presidential pardons towards the end of Biden's term, which included the blanket pardons of several members of the Biden family issued during Joe's final 24 hours in office. It had been previously reported by NBC News that Hunter was sitting in on White House meetings following the former president's horrible performance during a June 2024 debate against Donald Trump.

The interview was part of an investigation by House Oversight Chair James Comer (R-KY) into Biden's use of the autopen, and whether Biden's top aides covered up his mental decline as part of their use of the autopen.

So when you talk of Biden, Loony Tooms, are you talking about Joe Biden or Hunter who along with Jill was really running things?

Then there is Harris. Shit, just seeing how she managed her campaign resources, she would have tanked the economy for sure. And her whole campaign was I am not Trump as if that was enough. So even in your words, if Trump was and is an asshole, he had ideas, charisma, and a history of getting things done while all Kamla has done well has been sucking dick. Ah yes, but she was not Trump as are 300+ Americans are.

And then there was the language: [URL]https://x.com/i/status/1966520910531133908[/URL].

"Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

Kamala Harris: "Yes, I do. YES, I DO!

And now we have nutcase after nutcase using that same language. The latest foaming at the mouth Democratic douche with TDS just shot up the ABC affiliate in Sacramento.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/baby-boomer-arrested-shooting-sacramento-abc-tv-station[/URL]

Then you have Democratic douche mouthpiece Destiny cheering on the killing of Repblicans. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHmxeabbAJc[/URL].

The whole Democratic douche schtick is name calling and arrogance. Just calling Trump an asshole shows tremendous disrespect for the Americans who did not vote how you wanted them to.

Not that you care but here is what lost you one of the backbones of the Democrat party and why she switched sides. She had the audacity to ask about the science behind the Democratic douches views on trans people. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DxuZ6F1Fc0[/URL].

Maybe you come up with better ideas or make better arguments or better explanation if not for me for a woman like that? Nah, let's keep going with terms like fascist, calling this woman stupid and saying Trump is an asshole because that is working so well for you Democratic.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027426]But you forgot to tell the good people reading your post, about your prefacing statement, w/r to "...Trump could kill a man on the WH lawn...", when prior to that you stated.
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about right and wrong anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results.

Trump could kill a man on the White House lawn and no one would care as long it puts money in people's pocket....",[/b][/i] [url]
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]
[NOPARSE]Your post, clearly shows us, where your "morale compass" is pointing and a complete lack of empathy for human suffering (save death by drugs), so long as the [b]"...end justifies the mean",[/b] even if it is morally questionable....right![/NOPARSE]

And BTW you'd be dead wrong, with regards to your wrongheaded, insenstive, callous assumptions. So let me be clear:.[/QUOTE]What a shocker, no explanation and more cognitive dissonance LOL.

I am the author of the post and your telling me what my intent was LOL. I love this, my god the Trump Derangement is strong with this one.

Again, here we go. In my post I was criticizing Trump's base, the same people you are critical of all the time. They do not care about right and wrong, to a degree of course. Again, look at Trump's scandal and they still support him. That is why I wrote people don't care about right and wrong as long as it gets results. By "results", I mean winning Elections against Democrats because in the eyes of Trump's base, their policies are horrific. I personally believe many Democratic policies are terrible and even insane. Men in women's sports is insane. Just because I don't like Democratic policies though, doesn't mean I am a hard core MAGA guy. If Trump doesn't get results during this term, I may even with hold my vote, probably not though because Democrats don't make sense to me. Open border has flawed logic to the 9th degree times pie. Almost as bad as defund the police LOL.

Now to be even more clear, Spidy I fucking dislike you strongly. I think your a rat bastard. I could have taken the low road and started on a rant about how Trump is MAGA GOD and I was dead serious that he can commit any crime he wants and he will still serve 5 consecutive terms as the KING OF AMERICA LOL. I could have literally watched you lose your mind and loved every second of it. I didn't do that though, that is not me. I am telling you my intent and you are really still trying to me, the person who wrote the fucking statement, what it is supposed to mean LOL.

Spidy, what is my motive for taking the stance that I am? What do I gain by keep telling you that my statement was not literal and it was a strong criticism of MAGA, Trump's base. Do you really think I give a fuck what anyone this forum thinks?

The only reason I am sticking with this, is because your a piece of shit to mock my dead friend. I really feel honor bound to argue this to the end out of respect for him. He was a good child hood friend and we stayed friends through adult hood until he passed. You only get so many good friends in this world, just like you can only fall in love so many times and you only get a passion for something so often. The dude was my boy and you shit on him just because you don't like my politics. You didn't even realize I am not even a MAGA guy, I just hate Democratic insanity. I don't condone any of the nonsense from MAGA and if you follow what I post here, you would know that.

Instead you read my post and saw Trump could kill a man and get away with it, and your derangement syndrome kicked in and you didn't even take the time to read the whole post or even really think about it, you just attacked me by mocking by dead friend. Let me prove my point.

Go to some one who has recently lost a good friend or family member, and tell them the horrible things you said about my dead friend and see their reaction. If they are a proud man, like me, guess what, your going to be in trouble, because you will most likely set them off and there will be violence directed you. It will be a dagger to their heart and you will create a horrible memory and experience for them they will never ever forget. Ever!

Now go to a Democratic rally, do Dems even have rallys? I guess they have too, anyway tell some one at the MAGA rally my statement on Trump. Be sure to add in at the end my statement how I found it sad but True. See their reaction. Worst case scenario, its a person like you who has Trump Derangement syndrome and maybe they do get upset with you and have some harsh words, but no where near how vile it is to speak bad about a dead friend. Best case scenario, they just look at you like a weirdo and walk away. I know you see the difference and anyone who reads this will understand and I already know your response LOL. Some rambling about cognitive dissonance and logical fallacies to divert the debate because you have nothing to argue and you can't even explain yourself.

But anyway, I want more cognitive dissonance routines, because that is what AMERICAN POLITICS is all about on ISG. Nothing solves America's problems more than COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027525]And he demanded that others like Obama release their grades. We need to get at his taxes next to confirm he isn't as rich as he says he is. Probably leveraged up the wazoo LOL! A total curated fake and a liar! In his first administration he couldn't even say his famous line "you're fired" to cabinet members and other senior officials he wanted out, choosing instead to lambast them in social media. What a loser! The only ones worse than him are those who would blindly follow and bend to him. No matter what he does!

[URL]https://youtu.be/cQeyVlcuBhk?si=vX1W2QcemVH5qK3j[/URL][/QUOTE]Now Trump is pushing to reduce the number of lousy report cards he knows he is bound to earn based on his crap economic policies and stewardship from 4 per year to 2 per year:

[B]Trump renews calls for ending quarterly reports for companies.
Sept. 17, 2025[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/trump-renews-calls-ending-quarterly-reports-companies-2025-09-16/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Some investors have cautioned that waiting longer for financial information would mean less transparency and increased market volatility, making U.S. stocks less attractive, although several on Monday said they supported the idea. Transparency advocates also say it could give companies greater opportunity to hide or delay the disclosure of bad news.
..........
Investors argue that one of the reasons U.S. stocks trade at a premium to equities elsewhere is due to greater financial reporting requirements. The U.S. benchmark S&P 500 index (.SPX), opens new tab is trading at 24.3 times earnings estimates for the next 12 months, compared to 15.28 times for Europe's STOXX 600 (.STOXX), opens new tab, according to data compiled by LSEG.[/QUOTE]Transparency and up-to-date information is critical to life, limb and financial stability.

Thank god Trump continued to fund and retained the agents charged with monitoring and reporting emerging viral spreads and developments ASAP in those Chinese labs back in 2018 and 2019 or we might have seen an otherwise manageable epidemic confined to one region in China converted into a deadly, worldwide economy-destroying, inflation-triggering Pandemic.

Oh wait!

Nevermind.

Hey, let's review Trump's current report cards here before he and his anti-Free Speech fellow Repub MAGAs shut down communication on that, too.

See screenshots below:

[QUOTE=Spidy;3027517]Duly noted and much appreciate on the correction!

Got to admit, that that's a pretty sobering correction. If only roughly 22% of Americans, that voted for the "asshole" president (according to RamDavidson84), then it's a hopefully signal for the rest of America to get off their couches and vote.

BTW, still not a "polls guy", but still very much appreciate the attention to details, in providing us with the latest and greatest polls data, charts, diagrams and those MAGA Fuhrer memes.[/QUOTE]I wonder why that 22% voted for a total douche bag like Trump? Could it be they got sick of extreme left trying to silence and shame every one on false claims of injustice constantly? Hmmmmm, could it be they got sick of extreme left weirdos like? Hmmmm.

Anyway, Thanks for Trump Spidy. Now I got to listen to that asshole for the next three years and pray he doesn't try to change the constitution and run for re-election again. Lord knows he is popular enough with his base. They would support him even if he unleashed hell on Earth and Satan himself became his vice President? Goat leg, spikey tail, goatee rockin, pitch fork wielding Lucifer himself as Trump's number two man. 7 ft Spawn of Satan Baron Trump is rumored to be their Secretary of State for next term too.

Oh and for the record guys, just in case any one wants to take that literal. That was just a figure of speech and I don't want you to take it literally. I am not 100% certain Trump could even open the gates of hell and if he did make Satan his Vice P. I am not sure, but hell may not even exist. But just in case it I wanted you guys to know it was just an exaggeration to show Trump is popular and I wrote that with dash of charm and a hint of comedy LOL.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027507]Like you predicting that Trump would win in 2020? [/QUOTE]He did win in 2020. LOL.

(That's a joke).

GOP Congressman Bacon tells it like it is: [URL]https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/20/politics/video/don-bacon-republican-challenging-trump-digvid[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3027625]He did win in 2020. LOL.

(That's a joke).[/QUOTE]Hahaha! And a funny one too! Made me literally laugh out loud! LMAO!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027507]Like you predicting that Trump would win in 2020?[/QUOTE]I never predicted that. You are lying. And given that you are a liar, it shows me your sympathy for Charlie Kirk was fake as hell.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027507]Better yet, a perusal of your posts in this thread reveals a copious number of errors and faulty reasoning and logic.[/QUOTE]And yet you had to lie versus come up with one example.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027507]Well, one has to have confidence in one's positions and views. But even smart people make mistakes.[/QUOTE]No, smart people use facts and logic to make decisions. What you call confidence is your bullshitting yourself and others, another form of lying. The term con man is based on the word confidence.

I gave an example of having empathy to young people with regards to housing prices. You could not even deal with that.

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027507]And I despise giving it to other people who don't deserve it. Done with this![/QUOTE]Oh, that is cute. Just like you Democratic douches were done with Charlie Kirk and tried to be done with Trump? And your time is worth more than everyone else's. Isn't that another way of saying that your vote should be worth more than every one else's too then?

[QUOTE=TheCane;3027507]I hope and pray for better in 2026![/QUOTE]Does that mean more Republicans die because of the hate speech from Democratic douches like you in 2026? All you dumb Democratic douches have done is ranted about how smart you are, how dumb and evil Republicans are, and have not articulated one idea or position to make things better. When you call Republicans fascists and Trump the Fuhrer, you are basically saying you want Republicans dead.

If better is more Democrats, and that is what you have been implying, then why isn't assassination the way to go?

That is what you do not get. When Charlie Kirk was gunned down, and Democratic douches like Kimmel, Spidy, and Tooms here have tried to blame MAGA for his death, you have shown everyone that you do not have one iota of responsibility. Hell, after your fake act of regret, you are right back to your previous behavior.

Your lying and narcissism is not cute anymore. The bodies are piling up, and while you may be done with people like me and other Republicans, I assure you that we are not done with the likes of people like you, not by a long shot!

And if you ever got out of your fucking bubble, you would see that people like me are half the population you loser!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3027703]Your lying and narcissism is not cute anymore. The bodies are piling up, and while you may be done with people like me and other Republicans, I assure you that we are not done with the likes of people like you, not by a long shot! And if you ever got out of your fucking bubble, you would see that people like me are half the population you loser![/QUOTE]You seem to think you know me, but I assure you that you don't. You have the gall to talk about having empathy when you don't even seem to understand, accept or care about the way that settled law requires that immigrants be treated. You call someone a lying narcissist while at the same worshiping and following the same from the one who leads the MAGA movement. You talk about the importance of facts but clearly show a disposition to only grasping "alternative facts" based solely in fantasy. Really? Get a life bro! Engaging with delusional conservative lunatics here is a total waste of life energy. But I (we) aren't done with the blind, lying likes of you either. Because freedom isn't free! History proves that the ultimate sacrifice for it is blood. We're going to fight you in those spaces where it makes a difference and will matter to save the country from right wing extremism, tyranny, and authoritarianism. To the bitter end! See you at the polls, and maybe even in the streets of protest, enemies of a free, diverse, and democratic America!