Bogota Reports

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2719455]The Danger in Santa Fe is exaggerated in my opinion. I know many many caucasion guys who have enjoyed SF without problems-- I have shown many around.

Speaking Spanish is more important than skin color. Racial differences are not as big here. Good Luck!!

I do tours.

Normal precautions and common sense is what you need.[/QUOTE]Before I came I was told that I'the be an standout target because I'm tall (6' 3") and muscular (not super muscular) but I haven't had any issues with anyone and I've walked outside in Santa Fe and Cali at night with no issues. Idk if the danger is exaggerated or because I'm on the big / giant side for Colombia that people might be less inclined to fuck with me or maybe I just haven't ran into the bad people yet. Going to Cartagena and Medellin next. Maybe my luck will run out there.

[QUOTE=Safado007;2718886]Pre-Covid there used to be some higher class strip places in the north of Bogota. As far as I recall one was called Lola or Lalo. Most girls dressed like hostesses. Prices were way more than SF, but so was the quality.

Any update whether any of those places surived Covid closure and reopened?[/QUOTE]I was there years ago, on Cra 15. I've passed the old location many times recently and is now closed but it may have reopened at another location. The set up was a bar with lots of sofas. The girls were hot but WAYYY too expensive. The drinks were way over priced, you had to pay a fine to take the girl out of the club, basically an over priced tourist trap. I confess I let the little head take over one night and took a girl out of there. I got lucky because she stayed most of the night and the sex was over the top. Not usually the case for a place like this.

I am about to take an emergency weekend trip to Bogota. Real last minute.

Who's down there who can give me a quick.

Tour guide??

Woodman you still there??

I need best advice.

Best hotel to stay.

Best location.

Where I can walk to the most casas.

[QUOTE=Botti223;2719404]On one side you're right for sure. On the other hand Colombia is not Disney Land.

Maybe this sounds bit dramatic now but in this case some knowledge may save ones life.

For example I was warned urgently against scopolamin. Would have never thought about something like this but it seems its a big thing in Colombia.

Is this a prostitutes thing?? I mean, some girl from tinder whose phone number and instagram account I have would not do this or do I see that wrong?[/QUOTE]I see your main concern is safety. In that case I would stay away from Tinder. Manny times I have heard of really bad things happing from Tinder dates.

As far as being drugged in BOG well it is a problem. You can guard your drink and be careful but I know of one instance of a guy getting drugged from a kiss. They put the doctored drink in in their mouth and administer a French kiss. After all how many mongers can resist a French kiss?

Fear mongering. Which I believe is the wrong kind of mongering for this site.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2719718]I see your main concern is safety. In that case I would stay away from Tinder. Manny times I have heard of really bad things happing from Tinder dates.

As far as being drugged in BOG well it is a problem. You can guard your drink and be careful but I know of one instance of a guy getting drugged from a kiss. They put the doctored drink in in their mouth and administer a French kiss. After all how many mongers can resist a French kiss?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2719718]I see your main concern is safety. In that case I would stay away from Tinder. Manny times I have heard of really bad things happing from Tinder dates.

As far as being drugged in BOG well it is a problem. You can guard your drink and be careful but I know of one instance of a guy getting drugged from a kiss. They put the doctored drink in in their mouth and administer a French kiss. After all how many mongers can resist a French kiss?[/QUOTE]I have never been there myself so maybe I'm too naive. But somehow these stories about blowing scopolamin in peoples faces or hiding it in the mouth (I don't even see how this shall be possible without poisoning oneself) sound too fancy for me to be true (maybe there was a case like this but I wouldn't call it a real danger).

Besides that I assume that scopalomin is more used by professionals or in bars. That girl on tinder has an account, you have her number, people (probably) saw you at some café with her. So if you wake up in your hotel and everything is gone it shouldn't be too hard to find that person.

I will definitely see this as an advice and try to be careful but I think especially tinder dates are more safe than other ways of having sex in Colombia. I know some people there, some of my friends have been there for a while. They fucked a lot and never had bad experiences with women.

[QUOTE=Infamousss;2719707]I am about to take an emergency weekend trip to Bogota. Real last minute.

Who's down there who can give me a quick.

Tour guide??

Woodman you still there??

I need best advice.

Best hotel to stay.

Best location.

Where I can walk to the most casas.[/QUOTE]Hi, Yes The Woodster is still here- You must join ISG to have messaging.

Stay at the Ibis Museo which is walking distance to Santa Fe and convenient to casas in Chapinero and the North area-- Also many nice Airbnb in the area.

So, does anyone actually uses the website: [URL]http://www.colombiasexmap.com/[/URL] ? (I am the creator).

I was thinking that maybe a map is not the best UI to search for mongering activities, maybe a table is better. Especially on mobile. Where you can filter by price, etc.

But I have been pretty busy lately so I haven't invested much time on the site. I also have received less than 6 k page hits in 2 months. I don't know how many of those 6 k visits are unique since I didn't use google analytics or any tracking, just a manual counter I programmed myself.

So I'm wondering if maybe it's a better idea to just remove and delete the project. I also will run out of free hosting soon, but I think it's more troublesome for me to add a payment / donations system than just paying 5 USD monthly.

Although if many people use it or have found it useful I could consider developing it further!

[QUOTE=Botti223;2719922]I have never been there myself so maybe I'm too naive. But somehow these stories about blowing scopolamin in peoples faces or hiding it in the mouth (I don't even see how this shall be possible without poisoning oneself) sound too fancy for me to be true (maybe there was a case like this but I wouldn't call it a real danger).

Besides that I assume that scopalomin is more used by professionals or in bars. That girl on tinder has an account, you have her number, people (probably) saw you at some caf with her. So if you wake up in your hotel and everything is gone it shouldn't be too hard to find that person.

I will definitely see this as an advice and try to be careful but I think especially tinder dates are more safe than other ways of having sex in Colombia. I know some people there, some of my friends have been there for a while. They fucked a lot and never had bad experiences with women.[/QUOTE]Tinder dates are probably the least safest way to have sex in Colombia. It's well documented that Tinder is the preferred platform for groups which drug and rob guys looking for hookups.

Everyone on Tinder is anonymous. The only thing you know about anyone you match with is what they have chosen to reveal to you. So what if you have their number. You can buy a phone for a few dollars, the number isn't registered to anyone. If your building has security cameras, they might capture some useful images of the girl. However, if you're expecting the Colombian National Police to be CSI in tracking down some girl who robbed a gringo, you're grossly overestimating their resources and interest.

Scopolamine is used by people who use Scopolamine to drug and rob people. They aren't "professionals" in any way, if they were nobody would get killed from an overdose. While you're correct that the James Bond crap is pure bullshit, it only takes a second to drop some in your drink.

I've never had a problem with getting drugged. I know many people who have never been drugged and robbed, and I know some who have been drugged and robbed.

I don't overstate risks. However, the biggest risk comes from believing you're not at risk.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2720079]Tinder dates are probably the least safest way to have sex in Colombia. It's well documented that Tinder is the preferred platform for groups which drug and rob guys looking for hookups.

Everyone on Tinder is anonymous. The only thing you know about anyone you match with is what they have chosen to reveal to you. So what if you have their number. You can buy a phone for a few dollars, the number isn't registered to anyone. If your building has security cameras, they might capture some useful images of the girl. However, if you're expecting the Colombian National Police to be CSI in tracking down some girl who robbed a gringo, you're grossly overestimating their resources and interest.

Scopolamine is used by people who use Scopolamine to drug and rob people. They aren't "professionals" in any way, if they were nobody would get killed from an overdose. While you're correct that the James Bond crap is pure bullshit, it only takes a second to drop some in your drink.

I've never had a problem with getting drugged. I know many people who have never been drugged and robbed, and I know some who have been drugged and robbed.

I don't overstate risks. However, the biggest risk comes from believing you're not at risk.[/QUOTE]Yes, I did a lot of research yesterday and it seems you're right. This is definitely a tinder thing.

Anyway I think that tinder is a pretty good way for attractive gringos having sex in Colombia. I've read some detailled reports of people who were drugged on tinder dates and all these guys were pretty careless. Obviously just hoping that some sexy young and sexy girl would come to their home right away just to have sex.

If you're aware of this problem and acting with some common sense I'm pretty sure that you can minimize the risk very much. Get the girls whatsapp and instagram, have a conversation with and don't just ask her to come over and see how she reacts in conversation. Call her an Uber to pick her up at her adress. Don't let her come to your place right away and meet outside instead. (but near to your place so when you think its fine you can just walk to your place with her).

I know that this is no guarantee but after I read all these testimonials of scopalomin-victims it was pretty sure that a lot of especially foreing guys are just too careless.

Besides that I'm still looking for that second guy to join a threesome.

No one is interested? I'm not looking for a threesome with some tinder girl but a professional escort. I saw this page where they have double penetrations in the service lists of the escorts and a lot of them offered this service. If anyone is interested just response here, we don't have to exchange messages, we can meet somewhere in public, have a beer and exchange numbers to get this going.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2719850]Fear mongering. Which I believe is the wrong kind of mongering for this site.[/QUOTE]OK put your head in the sand and you we be just fine.

[QUOTE=Botti223;2720257]Besides that I'm still looking for that second guy to join a threesome.

No one is interested? I'm not looking for a threesome with some tinder girl but a professional escort. I saw this page where they have double penetrations in the service lists of the escorts and a lot of them offered this service. If anyone is interested just response here, we don't have to exchange messages, we can meet somewhere in public, have a beer and exchange numbers to get this going.[/QUOTE]Just my two cents. But in order to cordinate anything you are going to need to get a subscription here to accomplish what you are looking for. Its against the rules and also with the type of request for a threesome. I would imagine many would prefer private messaging for that. Its just how things work on here from what I have seen. Just trying to help you out. I've had tons of success on here.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2720352]Just my two cents. But in order to cordinate anything you are going to need to get a subscription here to accomplish what you are looking for. Its against the rules and also with the type of request for a threesome. I would imagine many would prefer private messaging for that. Its just how things work on here from what I have seen. Just trying to help you out. I've had tons of success on here.[/QUOTE]Yes, I understand. I also tryed to subscribe here. UNfortunately when I wanted to send the bitcoin my coinbase-account was disabled and I'm trying to restore it for more than an hour now. Coinbase really sucks.

I don't want to blow this up too much but one more thing about scopolamin and tinder:

In these reports I read it was very obvious that these girls wanted to meet as early as possible and that also everything was about sex, also sending sexy pictures and stuff. It might be true that some colombian girls are really into this picture sending and also are not hard to convince to come to your place. But from the matches I had now. And there are many. I never had a girl who wanted to send me pictures (in fact I asked some and they didn't send pictures at all or just 1 or 2 very normal pictures and not sexy one), who asked for meeting up or made any sexual inklings.

Most of them didn't even contacted me initially. I still have at least 30 matches with girls which I didn't texted and they also didn't text me. And you can see from my profile picture right away that I'm gringo. Someone whos doing this in order to scam gringos would at least say "Hi" after a match or not?

Which I also noticed: I always ask the girls for their whatsapp and for sure you can easily get a number in Colombia and use this to scam people. But how many scammers will make huge efforts in for example in posting whatsapp status. The majority of girls who gave me their number are posting stuff regularly so you see its real.

Maybe there are also more sharp practices scammers, I don't know. But I think by just having a critical look at the profile and wait a little bit before messaging and meeting up you can at least minimize risks by this. Just get tinder passport and match with them maybe 2 weeks before your flight.

Anyway: I will meet up with these girls (or at least most of them) when I'm there. And I will let you know if I was drugged and robbed or not.

[QUOTE=Botti223;2720257]Besides that I'm still looking for that second guy to join a threesome.[/QUOTE]2 guys is called a train. 2 women is called a threesome.

I have not heard of any drugging in Bogota lately. One guy I showed around about a year or 2 ago may have been, never got a clear understanding of what went on.

I have heard of many drugging in Medellin. Seems like I read about druggings 2-3 times a month. On FaceBook Medellin groups. They even had a Medellin group specifically covering this topic (which seems to have disappeared).

Seems like it happens with Twitter girls a lot there.

I usually have my fun at clubs and hotels so have not run into any problems, I remain vigilint.

PH accepts CC payments, but they charge a 10% surcharge for the fee.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720403]2 guys is called a train. 2 women is called a threesome.[/QUOTE]Threesome means that 3 people are having sex.

To specify how many men and women are doing it there are various terms but I never heard about "train".

[QUOTE=Botti223;2720560]Threesome means that 3 people are having sex.

To specify how many men and women are doing it there are various terms but I never heard about "train".[/QUOTE]It depends on what everyone is doing. If 2 or more guys are taking turns on 1 girl it's a train. If 2 girls are taking turns on 1 guy it's called a trio, at least in Colombia. In my book, unless everyone is interacting sexually with everyone else, it's not a threesome.

Which might be 1 reason nobody is showing interest in joining your threesome. It's awkward when in the middle of it you discover that the other man is bisexual and has assumed you're also bisexual.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2720755]In my book, unless everyone is interacting sexually with everyone else, it's not a threesome.

[/QUOTE]Will that be called a "Triangle" or "Triangulation"? You can let your imagination run wild there, jejeje. Not all threesomes are created equal. The better ones that I had will be with two bisexual girls interacting with one another and me at the same time. The worst experience will be for them to take turns on you. While you are humping one, the other one will just fiddle with her phone until it's her turn.

[QUOTE=Botti223;2720385]Yes, I understand. I also tryed to subscribe here. UNfortunately when I wanted to send the bitcoin my coinbase-account was disabled and I'm trying to restore it for more than an hour now. Coinbase really sucks.

I don't want to blow this up too much but one more thing about scopolamin and tinder:

In these reports I read it was very obvious that these girls wanted to meet as early as possible and that also everything was about sex, also sending sexy pictures and stuff. It might be true that some colombian girls are really into this picture sending and also are not hard to convince to come to your place. But from the matches I had now. And there are many. I never had a girl who wanted to send me pictures (in fact I asked some and they didn't send pictures at all or just 1 or 2 very normal pictures and not sexy one), who asked for meeting up or made any sexual inklings.

Most of them didn't even contacted me initially. I still have at least 30 matches with girls which I didn't texted and they also didn't text me. And you can see from my profile picture right away that I'm gringo. Someone whos doing this in order to scam gringos would at least say "Hi" after a match or not?

Which I also noticed: I always ask the girls for their whatsapp and for sure you can easily get a number in Colombia and use this to scam people. But how many scammers will make huge efforts in for example in posting whatsapp status. The majority of girls who gave me their number are posting stuff regularly so you see its real.

Maybe there are also more sharp practices scammers, I don't know. But I think by just having a critical look at the profile and wait a little bit before messaging and meeting up you can at least minimize risks by this. Just get tinder passport and match with them maybe 2 weeks before your flight.

Anyway: I will meet up with these girls (or at least most of them) when I'm there. And I will let you know if I was drugged and robbed or not.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have it all figured out. But we will never know. So good luck.

[QUOTE=Botti223;2720560]Threesome means that 3 people are having sex.

To specify how many men and women are doing it there are various terms but I never heard about "train".[/QUOTE]"train:

An activity usually involving multiple males and one female. The males usually take turns fucking the female and just then switch off after they get their nut in. ".

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=train[/URL]

You see, me and my homies like to play this game.

We call it Amtrak but some call it the [B]train[/B].

We all would line up in a single-file line.

And take our turns at waxing girls' behinds.

But every time it came to me, I was shit out of luck.

Because I'd stick my dick in, and it would get stuck.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2720755]It depends on what everyone is doing. If 2 or more guys are taking turns on 1 girl it's a train. If 2 girls are taking turns on 1 guy it's called a trio, at least in Colombia. In my book, unless everyone is interacting sexually with everyone else, it's not a threesome.

Which might be 1 reason nobody is showing interest in joining your threesome. It's awkward when in the middle of it you discover that the other man is bisexual and has assumed you're also bisexual.[/QUOTE]Ok, never theought about that.

That kind of sex I'm looking for (2 guys or more taking turns on 1 girl) is called a threesome on every major porn site that I visit but ok, so I learned something new.

Anyway I'm still looking for that second guy and I will fix my coinbase-account today. Hope it works.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2720023]So, does anyone actually uses the website: [URL]http://www.colombiasexmap.com/[/URL] ? (I am the creator).

I was thinking that maybe a map is not the best UI to search for mongering activities, maybe a table is better. Especially on mobile. Where you can filter by price, etc.

But I have been pretty busy lately so I haven't invested much time on the site. I also have received less than 6 k page hits in 2 months. I don't know how many of those 6 k visits are unique since I didn't use google analytics or any tracking, just a manual counter I programmed myself.

So I'm wondering if maybe it's a better idea to just remove and delete the project. I also will run out of free hosting soon, but I think it's more troublesome for me to add a payment / donations system than just paying 5 USD monthly.

Although if many people use it or have found it useful I could consider developing it further![/QUOTE]Looks good-.

Needs casas in Chapinero -- I'll try and get some of those-.

Downtown are 2 office casas probably more.

Here you¡is one that has been there for years-- I have not checked it out but have gotten flyer for years, I just bang so many girls in Santa Fe I can't be bothered.

I'm sure it priced as other casas are.

Lindas Chicas Descomplicadas.
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8 am to 7 pm.

There is another on Cra 10 just north of Avenida Giminez. Will try to get the address to you soon.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2720755]It depends on what everyone is doing. If 2 or more guys are taking turns on 1 girl it's a train. If 2 girls are taking turns on 1 guy it's called a trio, at least in Colombia. In my book, unless everyone is interacting sexually with everyone else, it's not a threesome.

Which might be 1 reason nobody is showing interest in joining your threesome. It's awkward when in the middle of it you discover that the other man is bisexual and has assumed you're also bisexual.[/QUOTE]I personally think a train is 4 or more guys. I just made that number up but it feels about right. It just seems like there should be a lot more behind a train. Like when I see a train engine with only one car behind I just think it does not feel right. A train should really have a couple cars to be legit. Maybe 2 guys and a girl would be a mini bus or something. Minibús?

How much are you all paying for street girls nowadays? I'm currently in Sante Fe and have been getting around 80-100 k consistently. I've heard it was more like 30 k.

[QUOTE=DiorHomie;2720929]How much are you all paying for street girls nowadays? I'm currently in Sante Fe and have been getting around 80-100 k consistently. I've heard it was more like 30 k.[/QUOTE]30 mil is very low and from a ways back-- I did bang a hot MILF last night (2 times) for 35 mil each-- in the South Stroll.

I also Banged 2 Hot girls one a Super cute Spinner 18 yo old for 45-50 mil-- It was a Great Viagra night.

With the recent inflation, many girls are asking that 40-50+ mil but they can ask more-- as you know-.

How you relate to these girls can reflect in the price-- I find that smoozing and chatting can help in negotiation-- But That is me-- YMMV.

Greetings fellow deviants. After 5+ years living in Medellin, I am looking to split my time between Medellin and Bogota (my first Colombian city love). Looking to have boots on the ground first week of September, then rotate one month there, one month in Medellin and so forth. Happy to share my plethora of knowledge on Medellin. Looking forward to hitting my old haunts in Zona Norte and Santa Fe as well as getting to know CHAPINERO and Kennedy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2720832]"train:

An activity usually involving multiple males and one female. The males usually take turns fucking the female and just then switch off after they get their nut in. ".

[URL]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=train[/URL]

You see, me and my homies like to play this game.

We call it Amtrak but some call it the [B]train[/B].

We all would line up in a single-file line.

And take our turns at waxing girls' behinds.

But every time it came to me, I was shit out of luck.

Because I'd stick my dick in, and it would get stuck.[/QUOTE]I see. But this seems to be way more specific so its probably more some special form of a threesome or whatever. It seems also not to be how many people are involved but about this lining up thing.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2721134]30 mil is very low and from a ways back-- I did bang a hot MILF last night (2 times) for 35 mil each-- in the South Stroll.

....[/QUOTE]Well done, Colombia has the hottest MILFs in the world.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2721690]Well done, Colombia has the hottest MILFs in the world.[/QUOTE]Last night I banged the hottest MILF with huge natural boobs and it was pretty GFE. She was in Venus -- I got to go back and get some more of that, she is in the stable now. Paid 70 mil.

I am a lover of Cartagena but looking forward to visiting Bogota. I usually stay in Airbnb. If one of you fine gentlemen could tell me which area would be best for mongering without taking a taxi, I would appreciate it.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2722787]I am a lover of Cartagena but looking forward to visiting Bogota. I usually stay in Airbnb. If one of you fine gentlemen could tell me which area would be best for mongering without taking a taxi, I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Nobody knows your likes or dislikes and in particular your type of mongering. Do you want to walk back and forth to Mezzanine? Walk back and forth to the casas? Walk back and forth to the northern clubs? Walk back and forth to Santa Fe? Walk back and forth to mileroticos chicks? Bogota is a big city with countless venues. You pretty much have to take a taxi at some point. What you have said is akin to tell me where to stay in New York for the best siteseeing without taking the subway or a taxi.

Sante fe is the zone of tolerance. If you google maps search "Sante fe Bogota" it will put an outline around it. Then you can simply search for Airbnb or hotels near that area where all the action is.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2722787]I am a lover of Cartagena but looking forward to visiting Bogota. I usually stay in Airbnb. If one of you fine gentlemen could tell me which area would be best for mongering without taking a taxi, I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

I would stay central in Chapinero.

Then you can go to each area easier.

You can take a bus, taxi or Rapid train Transmilenio.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1mIZMErk8w3Us_tnZ-lVs6h6kgvA&ll=4.649600288891632%2C-74.06863960000003&z=15[/URL]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2722787]I am a lover of Cartagena but looking forward to visiting Bogota. I usually stay in Airbnb. If one of you fine gentlemen could tell me which area would be best for mongering without taking a taxi, I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2722787]I am a lover of Cartagena but looking forward to visiting Bogota. I usually stay in Airbnb. If one of you fine gentlemen could tell me which area would be best for mongering without taking a taxi, I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Lotsa of great AirBnBs near Santa Fe-- I know Torre Museo and Bacata have some-- I do Not have specifics-- Sorry-- Many more in the area -- search Teusaquillo, Calle 19, Candeleria, Palermo-- Good Luck.

Or stay at Ibis Museo hotel.

I Went last night with these guys and was Off the Hook-- Streets and Clubs were full of Hot Chicas-- Crazy guy I was with was getting many lap dances and wanted naked girls sitting with us. Was really great had some hot 8-9 ers 18-20 Year old girls sitting with us all night naked-.

Get Here Before You Die!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2723334]Lotsa of great AirBnBs near Santa Fe-- I know Torre Museo and Bacata have some-- I do Not have specifics-- Sorry-- Many more in the area -- search Teusaquillo, Calle 19, Candeleria, Palermo-- Good Luck.

Or stay at Ibis Museo hotel.

I Went last night with these guys and was Off the Hook-- Streets and Clubs were full of Hot Chicas-- Crazy guy I was with was getting many lap dances and wanted naked girls sitting with us. Was really great had some hot 8-9 ers 18-20 Year old girls sitting with us all night naked-.

Get Here Before You Die![/QUOTE]I realized you cannot search different terms in AirBnb and so I made this map-.

Here is a quick little map for the barrios surrounding SF.

I have the strolls marked. The big pink rectangle is a business area with hotels and highrises-.

More places to look would be South (below) of the pink rectangle, La Canderia and 19th st area-.

Go bang lotsa hott girls! I do every week! - Good luck.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2723334]Lotsa of great AirBnBs near Santa Fe-- I know Torre Museo and Bacata have some-- I do Not have specifics-- Sorry-- Many more in the area -- search Teusaquillo, Calle 19, Candeleria, Palermo-- Good Luck.

Or stay at Ibis Museo hotel.

I Went last night with these guys and was Off the Hook-- Streets and Clubs were full of Hot Chicas-- Crazy guy I was with was getting many lap dances and wanted naked girls sitting with us. Was really great had some hot 8-9 ers 18-20 Year old girls sitting with us all night naked-.

Get Here Before You Die![/QUOTE]Get Here Before You Die! I don't think there is anymore great advice than that.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2722881]I would stay central in Chapinero.

Then you can go to each area easier.

You can take a bus, taxi or Rapid train Transmilenio.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1mIZMErk8w3Us_tnZ-lVs6h6kgvA&ll=4.649600288891632%2C-74.06863960000003&z=15[/URL][/QUOTE]Agree with Chapinero. It's like the Laureles (Medellin) of Bogota. Centrally located and middle class. I'm not on who likes to stay right on top of the action, particularly in Bogota as it's a much seedier and poorer city than Cartagena. Also keep in mind that it's at almost 9,000 feet so it gets quite a bit colder at night than Cartagena. Bring a couple long sleeves.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2723334]Get Here Before You Die[/QUOTE]A buddy I met when he was living in Rio moved and lived all over Brazil. After that he went to live in the Dominican Republic. He lived all over there. I kept telling him that he had to get out to Thailand. He started asking me questions about it. Then he moved to Costa Rica. Kept asking me the same questions about Thailand. Then he moved back to the Dominican Republic. Still asking me questions about Thailand. Then out of nowhere he moved to Angeles City Philippines. I was like what the hell brought you here? He kept asking me questions about Thailand. After a few years I was like look man you are a 3 hour $60 flight away from the place. I am not answering anymore of these same questions you have been asking for years. If you wanted to go then you would have gone by now. But for some unknown reason you seem to be scared to go. He died at the end of 2019 and never went to Thailand.

Landed in Bogota last night. Within two hours I arrived at lido. I thought it was a good vibe reminded me a little like café photo in Sao Paulo. Girls can only approach when called upon which is a plus for me. I called over one shortly after arrival. We talked for a little while and she explained how things work. Meanwhile I was scanning the place for any replacements but she was my type semi petit morena (I was shocked when she said she was thirty) would have said 25 tops. Anyway to the options were 500 1 HR an 1 m at hotel no Time limit. I opted for the later. Also paid 250 exit fee and 150 for both our drinks. At hotel no restrictions BBBJ CIM GFE (and I'm talking real GFE) pse she offered anal but not my thing. I didn't get her name at lido music was too loud but it didn't matter since she gave her real name Jessica when taking her number. Definitely a repeat girl for me!

Here is a map with the strolls marked on the left.

On the right the rectangular area is where you can find nice AirBnBs to stay at-- also Ibis and San Francisco Hotel.

As you go south (bottom of rectangle) there are more good places / areas -- La Candeleria and 19th St.

Also there are 2 casas in that downtown area.

Good luck!

Hola,

I finally managed to reactivate my coinbase-account. Will try to send the money for subscription and I really hope they don't block my account again.

At So I will arrive on Wednesday in Bogota and live in Chapinero. I will meet some girls from tinder first but then I would really like to do a tour with you in Santa Fe.

I will message you these days when my subscription is active.

Bye.

Day 2 in Bogota, being Sunday I went for an incall from photosprepagos. I had scheduled an amanecida 900 k with additional 50 k for BBBJ a few days earlier with Karla [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/usaquen/una-paisa-educada-apasionada-y-discreta-id-epnga[/URL] . A little confusion in the beginning she went to the wrong Marriott but once she arrived it was right to it. Did not ask for money upfront and service was phenomenal! Went 4 Times with her she was ready to go non stop. We slept and again in the morning. Highly recommend. She splits her time between Bogota and Medellin.

Where's the meeting spot tonight fellas?? I'm finally here to freeze my ass off since I decided to only pack summer clothes. Any men's spa suggestions? Still dreaming about that crazy 4 hand service I got in Medellin. Cartagena massages? Although stellar professional, no sexo papi. Bogota?? Pending assessment.

Mileeroticos has a lot of offers but as usual you never know what you'll end up getting. I love how they all say the most recent pictures are in the ad, and you find out none of those girls are working there anymore.

Hello friends, I have been to CTG and MDE and so far, I have found the girls at La Isla to be the most beautiful and GFE (consistent / passionate DFK is the norm). In the fall of 2021 (my latest trip to MDE), the La Isla in-house price was 320 K COP for 40 minutes. The inhouse rooms and bathroom facilities, however, were crappy and low-end. Therefore, I usually just used the inhouse deal to test drive the girls for one session before getting their whatsapp for next-day rendezvous at my bnb. I paid 300 k to 350 k COP for them to come to my bnb in El Poblado. Back in the fall of 2021, COP was at around 3,800 to USD. Now, with the COP at around 4,400 to USD, La Isla in my opinion is probably the best bargain place in the world. The girls at La Isla are just as beautiful as the girls at Globe in Zurich (which is priced at 300 CHF (at par with 300 USD) per hour).

I want to check out Bogota on my next trip. I think the SWs at Santa Fe will probably be sporadic with DFK, similar to the SWs at Centro MDE.

Are there any clubs in Bogota which can compare with La Isla, with beautiful girls and GFE service? With the current COP exchange rate, I am not too concerned about pricing. I am trying to find the best club in Bogota. Many thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2724066]Hello friends, I have been to CTG and MDE and so far, I have found the girls at La Isla to be the most beautiful and GFE (consistent / passionate DFK is the norm). In the fall of 2021 (my latest trip to MDE), the La Isla in-house price was 320 K COP for 40 minutes. The inhouse rooms and bathroom facilities, however, were crappy and low-end. Therefore, I usually just used the inhouse deal to test drive the girls for one session before getting their whatsapp for next-day rendezvous at my bnb. I paid 300 k to 350 k COP for them to come to my bnb in El Poblado. Back in the fall of 2021, COP was at around 3,800 to USD. Now, with the COP at around 4,400 to USD, La Isla in my opinion is probably the best bargain place in the world. The girls at La Isla are just as beautiful as the girls at Globe in Zurich (which is priced at 300 CHF (at par with 300 USD) per hour).

I want to check out Bogota on my next trip. I think the SWs at Santa Fe will probably be sporadic with DFK, similar to the SWs at Centro MDE.

Are there any clubs in Bogota which can compare with La Isla, with beautiful girls and GFE service? With the current COP exchange rate, I am not too concerned about pricing. I am trying to find the best club in Bogota. Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Check my post on lido!

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2724066]Hello friends, I have been to CTG and MDE and so far, I have found the girls at La Isla to be the most beautiful and GFE (consistent / passionate DFK is the norm). In the fall of 2021 (my latest trip to MDE), the La Isla in-house price was 320 K COP for 40 minutes. The inhouse rooms and bathroom facilities, however, were crappy and low-end. Therefore, I usually just used the inhouse deal to test drive the girls for one session before getting their whatsapp for next-day rendezvous at my bnb. I paid 300 k to 350 k COP for them to come to my bnb in El Poblado. Back in the fall of 2021, COP was at around 3,800 to USD. Now, with the COP at around 4,400 to USD, La Isla in my opinion is probably the best bargain place in the world. The girls at La Isla are just as beautiful as the girls at Globe in Zurich (which is priced at 300 CHF (at par with 300 USD) per hour).

I want to check out Bogota on my next trip. I think the SWs at Santa Fe will probably be sporadic with DFK, similar to the SWs at Centro MDE.

Are there any clubs in Bogota which can compare with La Isla, with beautiful girls and GFE service? With the current COP exchange rate, I am not too concerned about pricing. I am trying to find the best club in Bogota. Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Looks like I showed up too late, that's a great price. I had heard so many great things about La Isla but when I went (Feb / March this year) I witnessed more plastic than what is currently floating in the sea. Differing sized groups of these vultures with pixar movie sized hips would walk around the club looking for their next propina. And the prices? Some girls were asking $400 takeout for the night that weren't even worth $100 for the hour (the kind of girls that def short you on time). Others wanted $200 minimum. I believe the back room was about $100-120, can't recall. Now, there was a grand total of 2 that would have made any guy throw their whole wallet at them, marriage proposal take half my shit worthy. Of course this is out of 30-35 girls walking around that night though.

I will say that one girl (avg looking) who was really into the white American girl that was with us took her to the back and spent the rest of the night trying to make her orgasm, as in. The club closed down, most girls were gone and she was still in there working her! I guess nobody is watching time back there? So as always ymmv.

Anyway, I realize this isn't the Medellin forum but you just brought back the memory, so- Try Lido in Bogota, from reading it sounds like it's as close as you can get. Although now it's got me thinking. What would we consider the top $$$ club between MDE / BOG? Where are the lawyers and doctors going? (Don't say SA).

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2723925]Day 2 in Bogota, being Sunday I went for an incall from photosprepagos. I had scheduled an amanecida 900 k with additional 50 k for BBBJ a few days earlier with Karla [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/usaquen/una-paisa-educada-apasionada-y-discreta-id-epnga[/URL] . A little confusion in the beginning she went to the wrong Marriott but once she arrived it was right to it. Did not ask for money upfront and service was phenomenal! Went 4 Times with her she was ready to go non stop. We slept and again in the morning. Highly recommend. She splits her time between Bogota and Medellin.[/QUOTE]You hit the jackpot there my man, looks very hot. Thanks for the tip!

I guess they have a glut of dollars. They are back to ripping people off.

Anyone been here recently? Use to be a good time at a reasonable price.

Does everyone know about the hotel MS Oceania Confort? I can get a good deal with the rooms but need to know if its girl friendly. Never heard back from hotel but it could have been because of spam filter. I prefer the location over Hotel San Francisco.

[QUOTE=Botti223;2723866]Hola,

I finally managed to reactivate my coinbase-account. Will try to send the money for subscription and I really hope they don't block my account again.

At So I will arrive on Wednesday in Bogota and live in Chapinero. I will meet some girls from tinder first but then I would really like to do a tour with you in Santa Fe.

I will message you these days when my subscription is active.

Bye.[/QUOTE]Myself I would stay away from Tinder. There have been many guys in the past getting drugged from Tinder dates in the past.

[QUOTE=DickHertz;2724307]Does everyone know about the hotel MS Oceania Confort? I can get a good deal with the rooms but need to know if its girl friendly. Never heard back from hotel but it could have been because of spam filter. I prefer the location over Hotel San Francisco.[/QUOTE]I have reported several times that the first guest is free. After that it was 46 k ($18 back then) per person paid upon entering. The prices have probably gone up since then. And these were normal chicks, not hookers. So if the chick with you is an apparent hooker, I do not know what your results will be. It is only 1 or 2 blocks from San Fran so I don't think there is a big location difference. It is pretty deserted in front of MS at night though. So if you are a person that gets the creeps I would not do it. You might shit on yourself waiting for them to open the door.

[QUOTE=DickHertz;2724307]Does everyone know about the hotel MS Oceania Confort? I can get a good deal with the rooms but need to know if its girl friendly. Never heard back from hotel but it could have been because of spam filter. I prefer the location over Hotel San Francisco.[/QUOTE]I have heard it's not.

[QUOTE=JohnGault;2724311]Myself I would stay away from Tinder. There have been many guys in the past getting drugged from Tinder dates in the past.[/QUOTE]Yes, but mainly because they were stupid and careless as I wrote below. If you pay attention and don't invite every 19-year-old whose showing off her tits and ass in her profile right away to your apartment its rather unlikely that you will be drugged.

I met a lot of nice girls there and for those that I'm going to meet I'm pretty sure they will not drug me.

Hi all, my buddy and I are visiting Bogota from Aug 15th to Sept 5th. I am quite confused about where to stay during this trip. There is so much information here that it is kind of overwhelming. My plan for this trip is to basically eat fuck and sleep. I have contacted Woodman9 to show us around Santa Fe during a weekend. But during weekdays I want to primarily enjoy PhotoPrepagos and Mileroticos girls by having them come to my hotel. My buddy will also be working remotely during the trip, but he wants fit in a session during his lunch break.

Can anyone recommend me a girl friendly hotel with high speed internet? I have seen the Ibis being recommended here, but what the internet speed there like? Good internet speed in the hotels is pretty much a necessity for my buddy, and the second priority if availability of girls nearby. Any other recommendation on areas to stay in or hotels?

Just opened PhotoPrepagos to look at prices of some hotties. Do these girls seriously want US $120- US $200? To what extent are the prices of these girls negotiable? Last thing I want to do is to ruin the prices for everybody by overpaying. I wonder if this is a rate that they are posting more in hope or something that they can get rather easily. If anyone has specific tips on how to negotiate with these girls, please share. And on another note, if anyone has got reliable contacts to share, I will greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=DickHertz;2724307]Does everyone know about the hotel MS Oceania Confort? I can get a good deal with the rooms but need to know if its girl friendly. Never heard back from hotel but it could have been because of spam filter. I prefer the location over Hotel San Francisco.[/QUOTE]I am 90% sure it is not girl friendly. It is a nice place though. Prepandemic, I had no issue bringing in women to Hotel Ibis.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2724485]Just opened PhotoPrepagos to look at prices of some hotties. Do these girls seriously want US $120- US $200? To what extent are the prices of these girls negotiable? Last thing I want to do is to ruin the prices for everybody by overpaying. I wonder if this is a rate that they are posting more in hope or something that they can get rather easily. If anyone has specific tips on how to negotiate with these girls, please share. And on another note, if anyone has got reliable contacts to share, I will greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]It's COP. How do you read it in USD? It's 150,000/200,000, not 150,00 or 200,00. Money sign $ does not mean it's in USD. Also, some ads will say $120, that's short for 120 kCOP as in 120,000 COP.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2724485]Just opened PhotoPrepagos to look at prices of some hotties. Do these girls seriously want US $120- US $200? To what extent are the prices of these girls negotiable? Last thing I want to do is to ruin the prices for everybody by overpaying. I wonder if this is a rate that they are posting more in hope or something that they can get rather easily.[/QUOTE]When have you seen 3 zeros after a period in dollars? This is not the USA or Panama so why would they write an add discussing USD to what is 99% local clientele that does not earn money in USD? When you are traveling you set your mind to where you are traveling to. Give you one more guess.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2724485]Just opened PhotoPrepagos to look at prices of some hotties. Do these girls seriously want US $120- US $200? To what extent are the prices of these girls negotiable? Last thing I want to do is to ruin the prices for everybody by overpaying. I wonder if this is a rate that they are posting more in hope or something that they can get rather easily. If anyone has specific tips on how to negotiate with these girls, please share. And on another note, if anyone has got reliable contacts to share, I will greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]All prices in cop bro! My experience is mostly from photosaccompanhantes in Brasil (same site basically) but You can negotiate but some don't budge does not hurt to try. Also check my post from yesterday she is legit only thing is not 23 actually 28 but she looks 20. I would Also recommend you put the time to try and screen some of them I avoid any without a verified photo or review. Also ask them what they do and see the response times. I also try and do a video call for a small fee just to see if they look good better to lose a few bucks than 180000 cop.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2724066]Hello friends, I have been to CTG and MDE and so far, I have found the girls at La Isla to be the most beautiful and GFE (consistent / passionate DFK is the norm). In the fall of 2021 (my latest trip to MDE), the La Isla in-house price was 320 K COP for 40 minutes. The inhouse rooms and bathroom facilities, however, were crappy and low-end. Therefore, I usually just used the inhouse deal to test drive the girls for one session before getting their whatsapp for next-day rendezvous at my bnb. I paid 300 k to 350 k COP for them to come to my bnb in El Poblado. Back in the fall of 2021, COP was at around 3,800 to USD. Now, with the COP at around 4,400 to USD, La Isla in my opinion is probably the best bargain place in the world. The girls at La Isla are just as beautiful as the girls at Globe in Zurich (which is priced at 300 CHF (at par with 300 USD) per hour).

I want to check out Bogota on my next trip. I think the SWs at Santa Fe will probably be sporadic with DFK, similar to the SWs at Centro MDE.

Are there any clubs in Bogota which can compare with La Isla, with beautiful girls and GFE service? With the current COP exchange rate, I am not too concerned about pricing. I am trying to find the best club in Bogota. Many thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I have no personal experience with either La Isla or Flirt but have on several occasions read that Flirt has excellent offerings. They have a presence on the web, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram:

[URL]https://flirthotelbogota.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://twitter.com/FlirtBogota[/URL]

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/FlirtHotelBogota/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/flirt_hotel/?hl=en[/URL]

Maybe one of the guy here has been there and could chime in. I haven't been able to figure out much from any of their sites regarding costs or how to get in the place (I believe you must have contacted them to be allowed in).

You also might do a thread search for "flirt" and see what pops up.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2723672]Landed in Bogota last night. Within two hours I arrived at lido. I thought it was a good vibe reminded me a little like caf photo in Sao Paulo. Girls can only approach when called upon which is a plus for me. I called over one shortly after arrival. We talked for a little while and she explained how things work. Meanwhile I was scanning the place for any replacements but she was my type semi petit morena (I was shocked when she said she was thirty) would have said 25 tops. Anyway to the options were 500 1 HR an 1 m at hotel no Time limit. I opted for the later. Also paid 250 exit fee and 150 for both our drinks. At hotel no restrictions BBBJ CIM GFE (and I'm talking real GFE) pse she offered anal but not my thing. I didn't get her name at lido music was too loud but it didn't matter since she gave her real name Jessica when taking her number. Definitely a repeat girl for me![/QUOTE]500 USD? Or 500,000 COP?

Has anyone been at lido lately? I Haven't been there since prepandemic days and I wanted to know what is the average rate there and If they finally accept CC for payment.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2724489]It's COP. How do you read it in USD? It's 150,000/200,000, not 150,00 or 200,00. Money sign $ does not mean it's in USD. Also, some ads will say $120, that's short for 120 kCOP as in 120,000 COP.[/QUOTE]My mistake. I thought they were in USD. Makes me feel better that they are in COP. Reasonable prices comparedto the US but I would still like to know how much below the asking rate do you guys go for?

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2724583]My mistake. I thought they were in USD. Makes me feel better that they are in COP. Reasonable prices comparedto the US but I would still like to know how much below the asking rate do you guys go for?[/QUOTE]It may help you to also Download the XE App to your phone. This will help you with the exchange rate and calculations. Pay for "services" in COP.

[URL][b]https://www.xe.com/[/b][/URL]

[QUOTE=Brsvv;2724576]500 USD? Or 500,000 COP?[/QUOTE]It's 500,000 COP. Quality of girls there was great on Saturday night.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2724739]It's 500,000 COP. Quality of girls there was great on Saturday night.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. Do you know if they take credit cards there? When I went they were allergic to them LOL.

I will be coming to Bogota for the 1st time and see several reports on how dangerous it can be. I will be in town for 3 days and looking to have a different girl each day for 24 hour. Any suggestions or tips. Don't mind meeting with some to have as a wingman to explore. Suggestions?

[QUOTE=Grneyes77;2724879]I will be coming to Bogota for the 1st time and see several reports on how dangerous it can be. I will be in town for 3 days and looking to have a different girl each day for 24 hour. Any suggestions or tips. Don't mind meeting with some to have as a wingman to explore. Suggestions?[/QUOTE]I would suggest reading the fourm. Not sure how you noticed the reports on it being dangerous but missed the mountains of helpful info already posted.

[QUOTE=Brsvv;2724845]Thanks for the info. Do you know if they take credit cards there? When I went they were allergic to them LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes they do.

[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2724504] I would Also recommend you put the time to try and screen some of them I avoid any without a verified photo or review.[/QUOTE]Same for me, I like to know more about the girls (actual pics and reviews).

I use mainly 3 websites for that: doncolombia, catadorcolombia and foroprepagoscolombia.

Just use "buscar" with the name of the girl and her phone number (without +57). If there are reviews, you'll find them. Read them "in extenso" since experiences with the same girl could be different from one person to another. Check the date of the review too.

Hope it helps.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2725148]I would suggest reading the fourm. Not sure how you noticed the reports on it being dangerous but missed the mountains of helpful info already posted.[/QUOTE]I did not read that stuff on this forum. This forum has been very helpful, I'm just looking for more.

Tips / advise. I do not want to visit Santa Fe as I heard not safe to travel there by myself. If I can find someone to accompany me I will go. I will prob stay in zona Rosa. I was just curious on finding ladies. I seen a few agencies and independents, so I am not sure which to go with.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2725148]I would suggest reading the fourm. Not sure how you noticed the reports on it being dangerous but missed the mountains of helpful info already posted.[/QUOTE]I've been down here for a month with my girl. I haven't been to Santa Fe this trip and heard it's gotten a bit more dangerous. But if you're not going to hunt down in SF overall Bogota isn't any less or more safe imo. Take precautions as you would anywhere else.

For my last day in Bogota before leaving for Medellin I Did a repeat with Jessica from lido. This time she came to the hotel we had dinner and sessioned. Same rate 1 m Afterwards I was taking her to the taxi and she asked me to go with her to lido. I went to see the vibe on a Wednesday for future reference. Actually much better than Saturday. At least 30 girls at midnight most good quality too. I left shortly after Jessica got into a fight with some girl to avoid trouble. She was drunk probably should not have got the second bottle of wine LOL. Anyway at 3:00 am I get a call from reception. "Hola sr Jessica esta aqui" I'm like wtf. Apparently she was kicked out of the club and decided to stroll in the JW. She was crying that the was fined 800 k (don't think this is true) I gave her 150 k then she wanted me raw. I insisted on covering up and we went for the rest of the night. I fell asleep a couple times while she was waking me up for more again raw. Really crazy this one.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2725199]I've been down here for a month with my girl. I haven't been to Santa Fe this trip and heard it's gotten a bit more dangerous. But if you're not going to hunt down in SF overall Bogota isn't any less or more safe imo. Take precautions as you would anywhere else.[/QUOTE]What has gotten more dangerous about it? I was in Santa Fe 2 nights ago from 11 pm to 1 am. I did not see anything different from how it always is except there were way less chicks out. I paid a chick from Valledupar 50 K and she paid for the room. The lady gave her 40 K back. Good GFE. When we finished I stuck around on the porch maybe 20 minutes. No idea where the chick went. I did not see her after the room. I guess 40 K was good pickens for her and she went home.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2725215]What has gotten more dangerous about it? I was in Santa Fe 2 nights ago from 11 pm to 1 am. I did not see anything different from how it always is except there were way less chicks out. I paid a chick from Valledupar 50 K and she paid for the room. The lady gave her 40 K back. Good GFE. When we finished I stuck around on the porch maybe 20 minutes. No idea where the chick went. I did not see her after the room. I guess 40 K was good pickens for her and she went home.[/QUOTE]Well I heard I can't confirm. My girl said las cosas se han puesto mas calientes. So that's why I said that. I can't confirm but I suspected what you say is true not much has changed. Are you still down here?

[QUOTE=Asitis;2725166]Same for me, I like to know more about the girls (actual pics and reviews).

I use mainly 3 websites for that: doncolombia, catadorcolombia and foroprepagoscolombia.

Just use "buscar" with the name of the girl and her phone number (without +57). If there are reviews, you'll find them. Read them "in extenso" since experiences with the same girl could be different from one person to another. Check the date of the review too.

Hope it helps.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing these links. Will help me a lot in my trip.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2725290]Thank you for sharing these links. Will help me a lot in my trip.[/QUOTE]My pleasure. Enjoy and be safe!

For the record, ISG provided me with so many good information worldwide that I feel in debt. I'll do my best to repay by posting reports. Thanks to all posters again!

Hey guys,

I will be making my first trip to BOG from Aug 4-9. I am reading up on all the intel in this thread. Great stuff.

If anyone wants to go hunting together, shoot me a DM. Happy to share stories from other places like Frankfurt and Brazil. Cheers.

So I've been off the market for a while but here goes:

Met up with a girl off Tinder that who said she did massages. I bring my own massage oils that help with my arthritis and I wanted a legit massage with someone to apply them. She had a really nice place up north but she wasn't as good looking as she thought she was. She called herself a muequita and I was like. Yeah not quite. She was ok. She want 150 for a massage which was expensive but everything is expensive up north in Bogota. I figured lets give it a try. Massage was ok she applied the oil and I didn't ask about extras. But she asked me if she could take off her uniform and I said sure, so she she gave me a massage in the nude. At the end she said she really liked my energy and began talking about extras. At that point I just wasnt really interested but asked about what was on the menu anyway. She wanted 300 k for full service. Not worth it. I called an Uber and left.

Headed over to Mezzanine 14 and met a really cute Venezuelan girl 24 years old. The deal there apparently is 100 K for massage and oral 20 min. 200 k for full service one hour. For 150 k I think she said 20 minutes full but I don't remember well. I took the 20 minutes 100 k to see how the girl was. I busted out my herbal massage oil and had her grease down my pud for a while. Then she took me in her mouth. She said with condom but then went BBJJ. Nice. She said she was really excited and wanted me to touch her pussy. She was really wet. I told her I wanted to see it, so she got on top of me and pulled her panties to the side. It was a beautiful pussy. Her clit was just popping out and when I told her that. She said it's because she was really excited. Boyz. I couldn't resist. I wanted to suck that clit and she agreed. So I went to work. She started moaning to the point where she said she felt embarrassed because the other people could hear her. I sucked that clit until I got her to cum. She claims that she hasn't cum in a long time and never in that place. Well. Maybe? Anywho. She jumped on for reverse cow girl and her pussy was so wet and soft. I wanted to feel it raw and she even told me to put it in her raw but I declined. She said that I transmit really beautiful energy and she really liked me. ? Ok. I turned her over for doggie but that place is really uncomfortable. I don't like bangin in those kinds of places or on a massage table. Combined with the condom which I don't like to use, I just couldn't keep it up. I asked her if we could exchange numbers and meet outside. She agreed. She finished by greasing me up again and stroking me until the time was up. I didn't bust a nut. I figured ID save it until tomorrow if indeed we meet up. I chatted with her later in the evening and she recommended a hotel so lets see what happens. She did inform me at the end that there is a more comfortable apartment with a bed, shower and bathroom available for 350 k an hour so you can ask about this if you really like the girl. I might have gone for that had I known the chemistry was going to be as good as it was, but who could know these things? But even so, for 300 k I usually get girls to stay for much longer than an hour.

Later on that night I headed over to Lido's. I don't usually hang out up north in Bogota because everything is more expensive up here. Lido's proved this to be true. This place is ridiculously expensive. I got there and the place is really nice. Definitely upscale. I'm not a drinker but they pressure you to drink. They charged me 50 k for a water. Daaamnnn. There was a nice selection of girls ranging mostly 7-8's and some who were 5 and 6's. Nothing really that impressive to be honest. There were definitely hot women but not for that price. The first girl I spoke to told me it was 1 mil for full services plus 250 k plus another drink is required. Thats ridiculous. Thats more than I pay in New York for an hour. F that. I didn't even have that much money on me. She offered to meet me outside but its very difficult to get their numbers because everyone is watching and its not allowed. I did manage to get it though by memorizing it. Apparently you have to tip them for sitting and talking to you? Well pretty sure that was not true but I gave her a little something. The second girl I chatted up was hotter than the first. I kept eying her from the other side of the club but she was with her friends. You have to signal them to come over to you so I did. She was asking 600 k for an hour plus all the other extras. She told me she charges more but that I transmit really beautiful energy to her. ? Well boyz I'm just going to say. I get that a lot. Maybe you all do? Anywho. So as you can see these girls charge what they want. I told her my sad story: I didn't bring that kind of cash. I wasnt prepared for these prices. I asked if I could get her number and she said it was impossible here because they watch them closely. I told her ID memorize it. So she gave it to me and I did. I walked away from her and put it in my phone. There was one last girl at the bar I wanted to chat up. She wanted 800 k plus all the other previously mentioned up charges. When she told me the number she saw I wasnt down and asked me how much I had. So I guess I could have negotiated with her but I didn't have the cash and these prices are ridiculous. I've met chicks just as hot in Santa Fe. Troya. Fiebre etc. For 30-70 k. I did message the second girl on whatsapp and might consider it if I can talk her down. I don't think Ill be back to Lido's. I spent almost 40 bucks just to talk to a few girls and drink a bottle of water.

[QUOTE=GMoney582;2725415]So I've been off the market for a while but here goes:

Met up with a girl off Tinder that who said she did massages. I bring my own massage oils that help with my arthritis and I wanted a legit massage with someone to apply them. She had a really nice place up north but she wasn't as good looking as she thought she was. She called herself a muequita and I was like. Yeah not quite. She was ok. She want 150 for a massage which was expensive but everything is expensive up north in Bogota. I figured lets give it a try. Massage was ok she applied the oil and I didn't ask about extras. But she asked me if she could take off her uniform and I said sure, so she she gave me a massage in the nude. At the end she said she really liked my energy and began talking about extras. At that point I just wasnt really interested but asked about what was on the menu anyway. She wanted 300 k for full service. Not worth it. I called an Uber and left.

Headed over to Mezzanine 14 and met a really cute Venezuelan girl 24 years old. The deal there apparently is 100 K for massage and oral 20 min. 200 k for full service one hour. For 150 k I think she said 20 minutes full but I don't remember well. I took the 20 minutes 100 k to see how the girl was. I busted out my herbal massage oil and had her grease down my pud for a while. Then she took me in her mouth. She said with condom but then went BBJJ. Nice. She said she was really excited and wanted me to touch her pussy. She was really wet. I told her I wanted to see it, so she got on top of me and pulled her panties to the side. It was a beautiful pussy. Her clit was just popping out and when I told her that. She said it's because she was really excited. Boyz. I couldn't resist. I wanted to suck that clit and she agreed. So I went to work. She started moaning to the point where she said she felt embarrassed because the other people could hear her. I sucked that clit until I got her to cum. She claims that she hasn't cum in a long time and never in that place. Well. Maybe? Anywho.
[/QUOTE]I remember I went there a couple of times before the pandemic, and I remember it being expensive but holy shit that is ridiculous. I was interested in going back but now I don't know. I know you can get cheaper options but I want to find something close to Scandallo in Brazil. When I was in Medellin I went to Gusto, where I was able to take one girl back to my hotel for 900 k for the whole night.

Thanks to everyone for giving me the real story on this hotel. I have been to a place that says it is guest friendly but you must bring the same person or be charged a fee.

[QUOTE=Brsvv;2725515]I remember I went there a couple of times before the pandemic, and I remember it being expensive but holy shit that is ridiculous. I was interested in going back but now I don't know. I know you can get cheaper options but I want to find something close to Scandallo in Brazil. When I was in Medellin I went to Gusto, where I was able to take one girl back to my hotel for 900 k for the whole night.[/QUOTE]Obviously different women have different rates and who you are can make a difference I guess too. I have seen 120 k for a full hour the Mezz and up to 200 k. So on the low end only slightly more than Santa Fe when factoring in the time. 100 k for 20 does seem steep.

I did find another Mezz type setup almost across the street but inside a commercial building in one of the "local"s. I still might dig up the info on it to post, but the women were scary ugly. No gracias was not cutting it and I kind of had to push my way out because it was so cramped.

I arrived in Bogota this past Saturday night. My Wingo flight from Santo Domingo to El Dorado touched down around 10:30 pm at night. I breezed though Migracion with zero issues, through the rest of the airport and to my ride that was arranged by my Airbnb host. I arrived at my building in Chapinero and almost passed out from how beautiful my Airbnb rental unit was to my eyes. This is one bad ** condo unit. It is on a high floor, which gives me an outstanding view of the city of Bogota. Check in was a breeze.

While I was admiring the unit, I kept getting numerous Whatsapp notifications. Oh yeah. I totally forgot I that I had told a Facebook amiga that I would be in town Saturday night. She asked me six times had I arrived yet. I told her that I was all checked in and that I had hoped to see her the next day. She sent a few angry emojis and begged for the address to this building. Now I never met this chica before outside of Facebook. For about a year, we would comment under each other's pics and chat a bit. But I really didn't expect her to want to see me late at night after I had just arrived.

I gave her the address. A few minutes later, she was "En Camino. " About 20 minutes later, the next message was, "Bajas por mi?" I replied to her that was she here already? She took a pic of the building and sent it to me. I was shocked. I took the elevator down (a slow speed elevator for a such a tall building). I walked outside just as she was getting out of her taxi ride. WOW. She looked even better than her Facebook pics. She looked just like an Afro-Latina Barbie doll. Slim like how I like them. Super cute face. Nice Bun hairstyle with a straight piece of hair hugging the side of her face. Nice jacket with a medium skirt, nice brown and smooth legs and small tacones. I told her she looked real elegant and looked like she was ready to go to a nice bar. She smile and hugged me tight. So tight that my johnson stood at absolute attention. All guests had to check in first. After she got checked in, we went up to the condo unit. She was absolutely in love with the unit too. She joked that she needed to go home, get more clothes so she could stay with me the whole time while I am here. Actually, her joking was really her intentions that became very real. Read on.

She asked if I had music. I pulled out my trusty BOSE bluetooth speaker that really thumps (good clear sound and bass). She paired her phone to it and on came the reggaetand. We danced for a long a** time and my hard-on never subsided. I started feeling blue-ballish a little. Then she put her hand down my pants and felt it. AHHHHHH! Her hand felt good as sh*t! Then she reminded me about the conversations we had on Facebook. I agreed. She unbuttoned my pants and pulled them down. I closed my eyes and felt a nice warm mouth on my johnson. DAMN!! She went to work. She darn near had me screaming in joy. This chica was working the johnson good. Then I laid down on the floor. She took off her dress bottom and undies. My backpack was close so I reached for a condom. As I was doing that, she basically sat on top me by slamming my johnson inside of her, UNCOVERED. Whoa now! F*ck it. Too late. She rode me good on the floor, then the bed. Before the first round ended, I sat her on a table and banged her while standing up. She's one of those screamers and I hate that because that sometimes makes me nut faster than I want to. I unloaded (CIP) almost a weeks worth of jizz into my amiga. I really got a kick out it when she stood straight up and I could see my jizz running down one of her long pretty brown legs. Yeah, I know I am weird like that, but F it. If I like something, I like it. She went to the shower and cleaned up first. Then I cleaned up.

Now I am wondering is she going to hit me up for some pesos and roll out or what. I got out of the shower she was under the covers and half sleep. Okay now. I guess she'll be spending the night. In the morning, she made it clear that she wanted to go home, get more clothes and come stay with me my entire time here. I know this will cost me some trips to the mall (Andino Mall is two blocks away) or something. Oh well. We'll see. I told her, sure. I mean she's my type. Slim, Pretty, Morena, with some decent sized and pretty breasts with huge pezones. She went home and came back too. Day 2 - nothing but f*cking, sucking, f*cking and nutting and repeat.

Damn, I might not leave my Airbnb at this rate.

Afro Latina Barbie Doll!

Great writing!

Way to turn a phrase, bro. Makes me want to go there, and soon, I am sure, I will.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2726497]I arrived in Bogota this past Saturday night. My Wingo flight from Santo Domingo to El Dorado touched down around 10:30 pm at night. I breezed though Migracion with zero issues, through the rest of the airport and to my ride that was arranged by my Airbnb host. I arrived at my building in Chapinero and almost passed out from how beautiful my Airbnb rental unit was to my eyes. This is one bad ** condo unit. It is on a high floor, which gives me an outstanding view of the city of Bogota. Check in was a breeze.

While I was admiring the unit, I kept getting numerous Whatsapp notifications. Oh yeah. I totally forgot I that I had told a Facebook amiga that I would be in town Saturday night. She asked me six times had I arrived yet. I told her that I was all checked in and that I had hoped to see her the next day. She sent a few angry emojis and begged for the address to this building. Now I never met this chica before outside of Facebook. For about a year, we would comment under each other's pics and chat a bit. But I really didn't expect her to want to see me late at night after I had just arrived.

I gave her the address. A few minutes later, she was "En Camino. " About 20 minutes later, the next message was, "Bajas por mi?" I replied to her that was she here already? She took a pic of the building and sent it to me. I was shocked. I took the elevator down (a slow speed elevator for a such a tall building). I walked outside just as she was getting out of her taxi ride. WOW. She looked even better than her Facebook pics. She looked just like an Afro-Latina Barbie doll. Slim like how I like them. Super cute face. Nice Bun hairstyle with a straight piece of hair hugging the side of her face. Nice jacket with a medium skirt, nice brown and smooth legs and small tacones. I told her she looked real elegant and looked like she was ready to go to a nice bar. She smile and hugged me tight. So tight that my johnson stood at absolute attention. All guests had to check in first. After she got checked in, we went up to the condo unit. She was absolutely in love with the unit too. She joked that she needed to go home, get more clothes so she could stay with me the whole time while I am here. Actually, her joking was really her intentions that became very real. Read on.

She asked if I had music. I pulled out my trusty BOSE bluetooth speaker that really thumps (good clear sound and bass). She paired her phone to it and on came the reggaetand. We danced for a long a** time and my hard-on never subsided. I started feeling blue-ballish a little. Then she put her hand down my pants and felt it. AHHHHHH! Her hand felt good as sh*t! Then she reminded me about the conversations we had on Facebook. I agreed. She unbuttoned my pants and pulled them down. I closed my eyes and felt a nice warm mouth on my johnson. DAMN!! She went to work. She darn near had me screaming in joy. This chica was working the johnson good. Then I laid down on the floor. She took off her dress bottom and undies. My backpack was close so I reached for a condom. As I was doing that, she basically sat on top me by slamming my johnson inside of her, UNCOVERED. Whoa now! F*ck it. Too late. She rode me good on the floor, then the bed. Before the first round ended, I sat her on a table and banged her while standing up. She's one of those screamers and I hate that because that sometimes makes me nut faster than I want to. I unloaded (CIP) almost a weeks worth of jizz into my amiga. I really got a kick out it when she stood straight up and I could see my jizz running down one of her long pretty brown legs. Yeah, I know I am weird like that, but F it. If I like something, I like it. She went to the shower and cleaned up first. Then I cleaned up.

Now I am wondering is she going to hit me up for some pesos and roll out or what. I got out of the shower she was under the covers and half sleep. Okay now. I guess she'll be spending the night. In the morning, she made it clear that she wanted to go home, get more clothes and come stay with me my entire time here. I know this will cost me some trips to the mall (Andino Mall is two blocks away) or something. Oh well. We'll see. I told her, sure. I mean she's my type. Slim, Pretty, Morena, with some decent sized and pretty breasts with huge pezones. She went home and came back too. Day 2 - nothing but f*cking, sucking, f*cking and nutting and repeat.

Damn, I might not leave my Airbnb at this rate.[/QUOTE]

Do you have a link to this Airbnb listing?

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2726497]I arrived in Bogota this past Saturday night. My Wingo flight from Santo Domingo to El Dorado touched down around 10:30 pm at night. I breezed though Migracion with zero issues, through the rest of the airport and to my ride that was arranged by my Airbnb host. I arrived at my building in Chapinero and almost passed out from how beautiful my Airbnb rental unit was to my eyes. This is one bad ** condo unit. It is on a high floor, which gives me an outstanding view of the city of Bogota. Check in was a breeze.

While I was admiring the unit, I kept getting numerous Whatsapp notifications. Oh yeah. I totally forgot I that I had told a Facebook amiga that I would be in town Saturday night. She asked me six times had I arrived yet. I told her that I was all checked in and that I had hoped to see her the next day. She sent a few angry emojis and begged for the address to this building. Now I never met this chica before outside of Facebook. For about a year, we would comment under each other's pics and chat a bit. But I really didn't expect her to want to see me late at night after I had just arrived.

I gave her the address. A few minutes later, she was "En Camino. " About 20 minutes later, the next message was, "Bajas por mi?" I replied to her that was she here already? She took a pic of the building and sent it to me. I was shocked. I took the elevator down (a slow speed elevator for a such a tall building). I walked outside just as she was getting out of her taxi ride. WOW. She looked even better than her Facebook pics. She looked just like an Afro-Latina Barbie doll. Slim like how I like them. Super cute face. Nice Bun hairstyle with a straight piece of hair hugging the side of her face. Nice jacket with a medium skirt, nice brown and smooth legs and small tacones. I told her she looked real elegant and looked like she was ready to go to a nice bar. She smile and hugged me tight. So tight that my johnson stood at absolute attention. All guests had to check in first. After she got checked in, we went up to the condo unit. She was absolutely in love with the unit too. She joked that she needed to go home, get more clothes so she could stay with me the whole time while I am here. Actually, her joking was really her intentions that became very real. Read on.

She asked if I had music. I pulled out my trusty BOSE bluetooth speaker that really thumps (good clear sound and bass). She paired her phone to it and on came the reggaetand. We danced for a long a** time and my hard-on never subsided. I started feeling blue-ballish a little. Then she put her hand down my pants and felt it. AHHHHHH! Her hand felt good as sh*t! Then she reminded me about the conversations we had on Facebook. I agreed. She unbuttoned my pants and pulled them down. I closed my eyes and felt a nice warm mouth on my johnson. DAMN!! She went to work. She darn near had me screaming in joy. This chica was working the johnson good. Then I laid down on the floor. She took off her dress bottom and undies. My backpack was close so I reached for a condom. As I was doing that, she basically sat on top me by slamming my johnson inside of her, UNCOVERED. Whoa now! F*ck it. Too late. She rode me good on the floor, then the bed. Before the first round ended, I sat her on a table and banged her while standing up. She's one of those screamers and I hate that because that sometimes makes me nut faster than I want to. I unloaded (CIP) almost a weeks worth of jizz into my amiga. I really got a kick out it when she stood straight up and I could see my jizz running down one of her long pretty brown legs. Yeah, I know I am weird like that, but F it. If I like something, I like it. She went to the shower and cleaned up first. Then I cleaned up.

Now I am wondering is she going to hit me up for some pesos and roll out or what. I got out of the shower she was under the covers and half sleep. Okay now. I guess she'll be spending the night. In the morning, she made it clear that she wanted to go home, get more clothes and come stay with me my entire time here. I know this will cost me some trips to the mall (Andino Mall is two blocks away) or something. Oh well. We'll see. I told her, sure. I mean she's my type. Slim, Pretty, Morena, with some decent sized and pretty breasts with huge pezones. She went home and came back too. Day 2 - nothing but f*cking, sucking, f*cking and nutting and repeat.

Damn, I might not leave my Airbnb at this rate.[/QUOTE]

Seeking your opinion about whether option of Airanb apartment is more convenient or Real 97 suites on calle 97 A? Hotel provides 2 room suite with be / f, while airanb apartment has no be / f typically. Also which area is suitable for getting mongering partner?

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2726548]Do you have a link to this Airbnb listing?[/QUOTE]I can't tell you how many times the alarm bells go off thinking this girl pushes too hard and is going to be a train wreck but sometimes it makes for a great trip, you never know. Nice opening day! BTW what did the abnb run you?

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2726497]All guests had to check in first. After she got checked in, we went up to the condo unit.[/QUOTE]I have noticed in Bogota that when staying at airbnbs security operates separately from the owner. Whenever I book an airbnb the owner wants the ID of the people that will be staying there in advance. Last week the owner even had me fill out some electronic form with my info and said only the people you list will be allowed in.

Well security does not care about any of that shit. Anybody that enters and hands them an ID to put into the logbook are allowed to enter. They are not saying you did not register this person with the owner.

The owner kept pressuring me for the ID of the other person that would be staying with me. I did not know which of my chicks I would have over so I just sent a copy of my ex-girlfriend's ID to shut her up. But she was not one of the chicks that visited me in the building. Still no problem bringing in other chicks.

A few months back I stayed in one and when a chick arrived security called the owner because there was no phone in the apartment to call. The owner contacted me in whatsapp and said you have a guest downstairs.

Maybe other cities like Cartagena have different operating methods. If you are a person that walks a straight line and afraid to test and bend the rules, then disregard my post and only book places that explicitly say you can have guests.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2726497]Then she reminded me about the conversations we had on Facebook. I agreed. She unbuttoned my pants and pulled them down. I closed my eyes and felt a nice warm mouth on my johnson. DAMN!! She went to work. She darn near had me screaming in joy. This chica was working the johnson good. Then I laid down on the floor. She took off her dress bottom and undies. My backpack was close so I reached for a condom. As I was doing that, she basically sat on top me by slamming my johnson inside of her, UNCOVERED. Okay now. I guess she'll be spending the night. In the morning, she made it clear that she wanted to go home, get more clothes and come stay with me my entire time here. I know this will cost me some trips to the mall (Andino Mall is two blocks away) [/QUOTE]Does this chick have a job? I know you said it was the weekend. But this is exactly the reason I hardly ever get out to mess with hookers in Colombia. I have been living this same type of experience with tons of normal chicks there for the last 17 years. Not sure why you say you will have to go to Andino Mall, unless you two are going to the movies.

[QUOTE=ButockMann;2726604]Hotel provides 2 room suite with be / f, while airanb apartment has no be / f typically.[/QUOTE]What is a b / f?

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2726548]Do you have a link to this Airbnb listing?[/QUOTE]Sure do. I was going to send it to your inbox, but I don't think you have that capability enabled.

I don't think we can post links here? Or can we?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2726625]I can't tell you how many times the alarm bells go off thinking this girl pushes too hard and is going to be a train wreck but sometimes it makes for a great trip, you never know. Nice opening day! BTW what did the abnb run you?[/QUOTE]$46 USD a night.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2726639]I have noticed in Bogota that when staying at airbnbs security operates separately from the owner. Whenever I book an airbnb the owner wants the ID of the people that will be staying there in advance. Last week the owner even had me fill out some electronic form with my info and said only the people you list will be allowed in.

Well security does not care about any of that shit. Anybody that enters and hands them an ID to put into the logbook are allowed to enter. They are not saying you did not register this person with the owner.

The owner kept pressuring me for the ID of the other person that would be staying with me. I did not know which of my chicks I would have over so I just sent a copy of my ex-girlfriend's ID to shut her up. But she was not one of the chicks that visited me in the building. Still no problem bringing in other chicks.

A few months back I stayed in one and when a chick arrived security called the owner because there was no phone in the apartment to call. The owner contacted me in whatsapp and said you have a guest downstairs.

Maybe other cities like Cartagena have different operating methods. If you are a person that walks a straight line and afraid to test and bend the rules, then disregard my post and only book places that explicitly say you can have guests.[/QUOTE]Before I click "Reserve" on the Airbnb app, I make sure to ask owners about their guest policy. This particular owner told me that all guests will have their ID checked and photographed / copied before they will be allowed to the units. Of course they told me to be respectful and take care of the place, which is a given. I treat Airbnb rentals better than my own home, thus the 90+ positive reviews and no negative reviews on my Airbnb profile.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2726645]Does this chick have a job? I know you said it was the weekend. But this is exactly the reason I hardly ever get out to mess with hookers in Colombia. I have been living this same type of experience with tons of normal chicks there for the last 17 years. Not sure why you say you will have to go to Andino Mall, unless you two are going to the movies.[/QUOTE]She works at a call center.

I mentioned the Andino Mall because from us following each other on Facebook for a year, I knew that was one of her favorite spots and coincidentally, it is within a stone's throw of my building.

[QUOTE=ButockMann;2726604]Seeking your opinion about whether option of Airanb apartment is more convenient or Real 97 suites on calle 97 A? Hotel provides 2 room suite with be / f, while airanb apartment has no be / f typically. Also which area is suitable for getting mongering partner?[/QUOTE]I stayed in Parque Suites 97 a few times and liked it. I had no issue bringing women in. One time the hotel even called me and let me know a girl had arrived that I was not expecting. This was pre-Covid but I had no issues with women. The restaurant downstairs had a bar and it was nice enough that if you were entertaining a date you would not be ashamed of it. Food was pretty good.

It is a little far from Santa Fe with traffic but I think it is close to the casas. It is really close though to the best parts of Bogota. Only issue I had was it got a little cold at night, and there was no heater. If you want heat, you have to move up to the higher end American chains. LOL. So just make sure you have some warm clothes. But if you have an overnight, that can work to your advantage.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2726755]She works at a call center.

I mentioned the Andino Mall because from us following each other on Facebook for a year, I knew that was one of her favorite spots and coincidentally, it is within a stone's throw of my building.[/QUOTE]That is one of the high end malls there. Be prepared to open up your wallet.

That is why I hate to bring any girls shopping. They will go on a shopping rampage which end up costing more. Freebies have never been free. I would rather give them a set amount and let them do their shopping themselves if it even ever come to that.

Well you're a lot of fun LOL. Taking a girl shopping at the mall is not necessarily expensive. The guy can say, I'll buy you one outfit. Go try a bunch on and model each one for me and we'll pick the one that looks best on you. And she can wear it that night, and both may have a good time.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2726792]That is one of the high end malls there. Be prepared to open up your wallet.

That is why I hate to bring any girls shopping. They will go on a shopping rampage which end up costing more. Freebies have never been free. I would rather give them a set amount and let them do their shopping themselves if it even ever come to that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2726792]That is one of the high end malls there. Be prepared to open up your wallet.[/QUOTE]Just because he walks around a mall with a chick does not mean she is expecting him to buy stuff for her. I see that my experience and outlook is totally different than some other guys.

And even though I find going to malls with chicks boring as shit (as guys we go get what we are looking for and get the hell out of there), what Lugnut said sounds goods and could make for a great outing.

[QUOTE=Lugnut;2726831]Well you're a lot of fun LOL. Taking a girl shopping at the mall is not necessarily expensive. The guy can say, I'll buy you one outfit. Go try a bunch on and model each one for me and we'll pick the one that looks best on you. And she can wear it that night, and both may have a good time.[/QUOTE]I've taken 3 Colombianas to the mall, 2 in Medellin, 1 in Cincinnati. The first one wouldn't even look at anything. I took her to dinner and a movie, but when I suggested looking at something for her, she refused.

The second refused a trip to Santa Fe mall because everything was too expensive, but agreed to go to Itagui, where I bought her a dress for 30 k or so. Even then she complained that she could have gotten it cheaper in El Centro.

The one in Cincinnati started when her sister bought some AirPods for pickup at an Apple store, and didn't ask me which store was more convenient. After we picked up the AirPods, we walked around some. I took her into Victoria's Secret, because that's what you do when you're at the mall with a hot girl. She picked out 3 makeup, or perfume gifts from the 50% off rack, which came to about $50. The only other store we entered was a candy store, where she picked up some chocolate for her sister and something for her mother. Another $30. That was it.

If you're with the wrong type of girl a mall trip is a disaster. With the right girl it's fun and not expensive.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2726755]She works at a call center.

I mentioned the Andino Mall because from us following each other on Facebook for a year, I knew that was one of her favorite spots and coincidentally, it is within a stone's throw of my building.[/QUOTE]El Moreno,

I have done the shopping thing many times, and I cannot recall it ever bearing fruit. All it did was give the women an inflated ego and to expect more and more. Don't take her shopping man. There is no upside. Trust me. If you want to eat there and look around, that is cool but do not offer to buy her anything.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2726792]That is one of the high end malls there. Be prepared to open up your wallet.

That is why I hate to bring any girls shopping. They will go on a shopping rampage which end up costing more. Freebies have never been free. I would rather give them a set amount and let them do their shopping themselves if it even ever come to that.[/QUOTE]I've been to that mall too many times, mostly to the casino but a few shopping trips too. I've been told the most prestigious and expensive mall in all of Bogota.

The militant terrorist chose this mall as the site to blow up a bomb in the ladies room a few years ago. Aside from this it's a very safe area.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2727005]Just because he walks around a mall with a chick does not mean she is expecting him to buy stuff for her. I see that my experience and outlook is totally different than some other guys.

And even though I find going to malls with chicks boring as shit (as guys we go get what we are looking for and get the hell out of there), what Lugnut said sounds goods and could make for a great outing.[/QUOTE]I'll be trying just this soon. Sounds really hot getting a cute dress, going out for dinner and everyone eye fucking mi novia and then ending the night right. And maybe a 2nd outfit at the lingere store. I really want to find a dressing room to fuck in. Maybe Unicentro would be better to live out that fantasy. Andino seems a little uptight but ive also only gone into mens stores too.

If anyone knows of a good place for it I am all ears. Will report back for sure if I accomplish it.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2727113]I'll be trying just this soon. Sounds really hot getting a cute dress, going out for dinner and everyone eye fucking mi novia and then ending the night right. And maybe a 2nd outfit at the lingere store. I really want to find a dressing room to fuck in. Maybe Unicentro would be better to live out that fantasy. Andino seems a little uptight but ive also only gone into mens stores too.

If anyone knows of a good place for it I am all ears. Will report back for sure if I accomplish it.[/QUOTE]Not sure if you can get this done in Bogota. They always have at least one or two people at all dressing rooms and are always present, this is more an anti shoplifting measure than trying to stop you from smashing a chic in the DR. I'm curious if you can pull this off, keep us posted.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2727117]Not sure if you can get this done in Bogota. They always have at least one or two people at all dressing rooms and are always present, this is more an anti shoplifting measure than trying to stop you from smashing a chic in the DR. I'm curious if you can pull this off, keep us posted.[/QUOTE]Don't know about dressing rooms, but me and my ex girlfriend did it at the movie theater in Cali in the handicap bathroom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2727155]Don't know about dressing rooms, but me and my ex girlfriend did it at the movie theater in Cali in the handicap bathroom.[/QUOTE]Bathrooms are great for this!

Lots of talk about taking girls to the mall. I'll share something from my MO.

A lot of times to close a date (and get a girl out of her clothes) I'd invite her back to the pool / jacuzzi in my building. They're a rarity in Bogota, so most of the time girls would say "Yes, but I don't have a swimsuit. " So I'd just offer to buy them one. There's a lot of places around Andino for this, and you get to pick out the sexiest one. Only sets you back about $20 too.

There's also a store called Pink Rose. I'd meet for a casual lunch. If it goes well, I'd invite them to spend the rest of the day with me then go to dinner. "But I don't have anything to wear" Well, this store is EXTREMELY Cute. Girls fucking love it. Reasonably priced cute dresses.

[QUOTE=BearEmy84;2727346]A lot of times to close a date (and get a girl out of her clothes) I'd invite her back to the pool / jacuzzi in my building. They're a rarity in Bogota, so most of the time girls would say "Yes, but I don't have a swimsuit. " So I'd just offer to buy them one.[/QUOTE]My answer would be you won't need one.

I fucked a woman last week from seeking, we agreed beforehand for 300 k and that't what I paid in the end. Later that night she started texting me in whatsapp, at first she thanked me for the beautiful night, we joked a little bit and that was it.

This week I wrote her to ask if she wants to meet again and she seemed super happy about it. We have a 2nd date arranged for next Friday. We did a bit of sexting, she wrote she misses my dick, ahe said thinking about my dick makes her wet, etc. BUT we haven't talked about any further allowance.

Is it expected to her that every time we fuck I should give her the same 300 k? Or can I try to fuck her first and wait until she asks for the money? I think she really enojyed our time together so maybe she would just fuck for free?

I'm not experienced in seeking BTW, she is my first girl using that website.

Girls don't sign up to seeking to fuck for free. I promise you that you didn't give the kind of life changing dick that makes a girls bills suddenly disappear. I've used seeking for 5-6 years now stateside. I've met close to 100 girls from the site, they're all there for money and if you keep paying them, they'll keep making you feel special. Get your emotions and ego in check before you fuck up a good thing. Just pay the girl for a job well done.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2727613]I fucked a woman last week from seeking, we agreed beforehand for 300 k and that't what I paid in the end. Later that night she started texting me in whatsapp, at first she thanked me for the beautiful night, we joked a little bit and that was it.

This week I wrote her to ask if she wants to meet again and she seemed super happy about it. We have a 2nd date arranged for next Friday. We did a bit of sexting, she wrote she misses my dick, ahe said thinking about my dick makes her wet, etc. BUT we haven't talked about any further allowance.

Is it expected to her that every time we fuck I should give her the same 300 k? Or can I try to fuck her first and wait until she asks for the money? I think she really enojyed our time together so maybe she would just fuck for free?

I'm not experienced in seeking BTW, she is my first girl using that website.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2727613]I fucked a woman last week from seeking, we agreed beforehand for 300 k and that't what I paid in the end. Later that night she started texting me in whatsapp, at first she thanked me for the beautiful night, we joked a little bit and that was it.

This week I wrote her to ask if she wants to meet again and she seemed super happy about it. We have a 2nd date arranged for next Friday. We did a bit of sexting, she wrote she misses my dick, ahe said thinking about my dick makes her wet, etc. BUT we haven't talked about any further allowance.

Is it expected to her that every time we fuck I should give her the same 300 k? Or can I try to fuck her first and wait until she asks for the money? I think she really enojyed our time together so maybe she would just fuck for free?

I'm not experienced in seeking BTW, she is my first girl using that website.[/QUOTE]You agreed beforehand on 300 k. That means she fucks for money. It's her job. Expect to pay her 300 k every time. If she decides she no longer wants your money, she will tell you.

Would you hire someone to paint your bathroom and then when you ask them to come back to paint another room, wonder if they will work for free?

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2727613]We did a bit of sexting, she wrote she misses my dick, ahe said thinking about my dick makes her wet, etc. BUT we haven't talked about any further allowance.[/QUOTE]It is at this time that you say do you miss my dick or do you miss my money? Because if you miss my dick that much, we can do it without the money next time.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2727613]Is it expected to her that every time we fuck I should give her the same 300 k? Or can I try to fuck her first and wait until she asks for the money? I think she really enojyed our time together so maybe she would just fuck for free?[/QUOTE]Why do you guys keep developing in your mind that these chicks are not hookers even though you have already paid them for sex? You call up Uber and say you will pay them $20 for a ride to the airport. You guys have a great conversation on the way. They write a review saying what a great passenger you were. Are they supposed to take you free the next time?

You don't need to talk anymore about alowance. You have already established it is 300 K. Of course she is going to send you messages trying to entice you to spend more money with her. Everybody on this board has been to McDonald's and knows how a Big Mac tastes. Why does McDonald's continue to put up billboards and commercials on TV? Because they want us to come spend more money, not because they want us to come get a free Big Mac.

Does anyone have a reccomendation for an easy std testing place in Bogota? Ideally in Chipinero or in the north? I went to a place last time I was there and they were a nightmare to deal with and made me come back in person multiple times to get the results. They were very judgemental too. My spanish is terrible so I would need to use Google translate. I am seeing a normal girl for the first part of my trip and I want to make sure I'm all good for endless bb and cip. She wants to see the results.

Ideal situation would be 1 visit and emailed results. Looking for hiv plus the other normal stuff that you could get.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2727613]I fucked a woman last week from seeking, we agreed beforehand for 300 k and that't what I paid in the end. Later that night she started texting me in whatsapp, at first she thanked me for the beautiful night, we joked a little bit and that was it.

This week I wrote her to ask if she wants to meet again and she seemed super happy about it. We have a 2nd date arranged for next Friday. We did a bit of sexting, she wrote she misses my dick, ahe said thinking about my dick makes her wet, etc. BUT we haven't talked about any further allowance.

Is it expected to her that every time we fuck I should give her the same 300 k? Or can I try to fuck her first and wait until she asks for the money? I think she really enojyed our time together so maybe she would just fuck for free?

I'm not experienced in seeking BTW, she is my first girl using that website.[/QUOTE]I know I'm piling on here, but: If you establish a pay for play relationship in your initial meeting, 99% of the time, that's what it will be from then on. She may very well enjoy your company immensely, but the quid pro quo nature of the relationship has been established. If you hadn't paid her for sex on the first date, then it's possible you could have a relationship with her not based money for sex (even though you might buy her drinks / dinner).

Honestly, I like Mr. E's suggestion, but I would say it to her in a joking manner. I've done this a few times when a prepago says she misses me - "Do you miss me or my money?" Some think it's funny, some don't.

[QUOTE=Combo;2727966]I know I'm piling on here, but: If you establish a pay for play relationship in your initial meeting, 99% of the time, that's what it will be from then on. She may very well enjoy your company immensely, but the quid pro quo nature of the relationship has been established. If you hadn't paid her for sex on the first date, then it's possible you could have a relationship with her not based money for sex (even though you might buy her drinks / dinner).

Honestly, I like Mr. E's suggestion, but I would say it to her in a joking manner. I've done this a few times when a prepago says she misses me - "Do you miss me or my money?" Some think it's funny, some don't.[/QUOTE]Ok it's clear to me now. So in the end I will pay her the same rate. Althought after meeting the girl the first time, I think she is clearly not a professional hooker, at least not yet. Might be on the path to becoming one, yes. But at the moment is just a horny young girl enjoying life (that includes money of course).

I still find it more expensive when you don't pay women directly for sex. Last time it ended up costing me several thousands of dollars in the divorce.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2727960]Does anyone have a reccomendation for an easy std testing place in Bogota? Ideally in Chipinero or in the north? I went to a place last time I was there and they were a nightmare to deal with and made me come back in person multiple times to get the results. They were very judgemental too. My spanish is terrible so I would need to use Google translate. I am seeing a normal girl for the first part of my trip and I want to make sure I'm all good for endless bb and cip. She wants to see the results.

Ideal situation would be 1 visit and emailed results. Looking for hiv plus the other normal stuff that you could get.[/QUOTE]Try this one.

I have used its service and it's pretty good. For hiv test result, they will want to talk to you in person via their web app before releasing your result. It's related to their privacy law. Takes 24 hours.

Contact them via WhatsApp and let them know you need an English speaking professional to talk to you if you are not fluent in Spanish.

Vitălea Sede 82.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/82ePGCjivsaAzxiN9[/URL]

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2727758]Girls don't sign up to seeking to fuck for free. [b]I promise you that you didn't give the kind of life changing dick that makes a girls bills suddenly disappear.[/b][/QUOTE][QUOTE=MrEnternational;2727825][b]It is at this time that you say do you miss my dick or do you miss my money? Because if you miss my dick that much, we can do it without the money next time. [/b][/QUOTE].

I like this site for the comedic lines.

I am doing research on Love Motels for my clients and everyone else-.

Has anyone styed at any of the love motels in Chapinero??

I am currently contacting Amarte Suites and others for info I will publish my findings-.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2727978]Ok it's clear to me now. So in the end I will pay her the same rate. Althought after meeting the girl the first time, I think she is clearly not a professional hooker, at least not yet. Might be on the path to becoming one, yes. But at the moment is just a horny young girl enjoying life (that includes money of course).

I still find it more expensive when you don't pay women directly for sex. Last time it ended up costing me several thousands of dollars in the divorce.[/QUOTE]My experience on Seeking is similar, in that many are non-pros, particularly if they've been on for less than a year (less jaded, just want to experience some nice things). If more than a year they are doing it for the money that affords them a lifestyle and it's harder to break down what they've learned to do transactionally. When I first tried Seeking in the US back in 2013/14 it was possible that some girls would not ask for money and I know a lot of guys who got mucho free sex with hotties trying to snag them. That is no longer the case. Girls figured out that guys would exploit them so the majority are straight P4 P.

If you don't want to pay as much you can just tell them you don't have as much money at present, but would still like to see them and do something fun. I've done that a handful of times to test girls and I'd say 4 of 5 took me up on it. Outside of that, you'll need to have a RTA (redefine the arrangement) conversation or wait for her to say she doesn't need the money.

Regarding divorce, several thousands is fortunate compared to many!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2728264]I am doing research on Love Motels for my clients and everyone else-.

Has anyone styed at any of the love motels in Chapinero??

I am currently contacting Amarte Suites and others for info I will publish my findings-.[/QUOTE]I have. I recommend Jardin real, Eros and Las palmas.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2727758]Girls don't sign up to seeking to fuck for free. I promise you that you didn't give the kind of life changing dick that makes a girls bills suddenly disappear. I've used seeking for 5-6 years now stateside. I've met close to 100 girls from the site, they're all there for money and if you keep paying them, they'll keep making you feel special. Get your emotions and ego in check before you fuck up a good thing. Just pay the girl for a job well done.[/QUOTE]So correct and funny at the same time. I am very surprised that guys pay a girl for sex and when the girls says the usual compliments, the guy thinks that he doesn't need to pay the girl because he is so fun and good in bed. A young attractive women can easily find a young handsome man who speaks the language and knows the culture when she really wants to have fun. Still a girl can make money and have some fun at the same time and her comments may be truthful but you are probably not your first choice for free sex. Nothing wrong with being with a girl who seems to be having fun with you if you can afford her rate.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2727960]Does anyone have a reccomendation for an easy std testing place in Bogota? Ideally in Chipinero or in the north? I went to a place last time I was there and they were a nightmare to deal with and made me come back in person multiple times to get the results. They were very judgemental too. My spanish is terrible so I would need to use Google translate. I am seeing a normal girl for the first part of my trip and I want to make sure I'm all good for endless bb and cip. She wants to see the results.

Ideal situation would be 1 visit and emailed results. Looking for hiv plus the other normal stuff that you could get.[/QUOTE]Just go to IDIME they have several branches around town and they are very quick to take samples and give results. You can make an appointment to take the samples if you don't want to wait in line.

[URL]https://idime.com.co[/URL]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2667418]So glad I finally found the perfect (for me) airbnb overlooking Santa Fe. Most guys would be terrified to stay here. It is ghetto on the outside and in the hallway, but the apartment is new in the inside.

In the rules it says that nobody is allowed inside whose ID has not been sent to the owner, but I will see how that works out when a non-pro gets here in a little while. There is a guard downstairs though that has to register everyone in the building log.[/QUOTE]Hi Would be able to post the link to this airbnb in parque 93 ? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Brsvv;2728530]I have. I recommend Jardin real, Eros and Las palmas.[/QUOTE]Have you stayed overnight? Or for a few nights, how was the Wi-Fi?

Here is my report regarding Bogota, Colombia on July 2022.

First, a bit about me. I am not that rich but I do have some money to spend on girls. I get to travel around the world due to my work. See my previous reports on Rio, Brazil.

And Kiev, Ukraine or Lisbon, Portugal. So last July I was visiting Bogota for 8 days due to my work. When I get to a place I like first to test and sample everything and every type of access to working girls to learn how things work differently in each country and city with different vibes from the girls. It wasn't my first time to Bogota, I already*went to Bogota in 2019 before the Pandemic and in 1998 as a young backpacker. I do speak quite good Spanish which helped me much with girls. And when I report I give FULL report.

I was looking more for the longer time connection and not just 30 min fuck and that's it. I wanted girls for a few days or girls for a full night. I do need to confess I have made a mistake, all those Pesos prices with 1 Million for a full night quote sounds really high, but it is actually around $300 USD which is quite low in Europe standards, buts it sounds high. So I did not use enough budget and I could have spent more and get better girls or service. I was also traveling with a buddy who had a lower budget and I didn't want to put him in a vulnerable*mood.

So here is my report:

Place to find girls are divided to those:

Online services: Tinder, Seeking.

Casas / Massage parlours: Like Mezzanine.

Escort service: Eroticas*Bogota or La celectina.

Strip clubs: (My favourite options) Like Fiebre, Atunes, Troya, Lido and more.

Staying:

Usually if you are a Gringo I would suggest for you to stay in Chapinero area (Around calle 94 and more). It is a relatively safer area, with good bars, discos and restaurants. For me, I less favour the northern*part of Bogota for two reasons: 1. It does not feel like an authentic South American place, it looks exactly like any other Western European city. 2. It is quite far from Santa-Fe and all the strip-clubs. Please note Bogota has a huge traffic congestion*problem and riding from Chapinero to Santa-Fe will take 30 min*and waiting for the Uber might take another 10 min. Quite frustrating. Therefore I decided to stay inside the city just next to Santa-Fe in the Tequendama Suits Dot Premium (Please note there are two Tequendama hotels which are 4 min walk between them). This area is less secure and you*need to take care at night (during the day I had no problem walking there, just take regular*precautions from pickpockets), But it is much more authentic, full with people around and very close to Santa-Fe (5 min uber) to the strip clubs. We even walked a few times to Santa-Fe. Remember I speak quite good Spanish.

Hotel Tequendama Suits Dot Premium:

I liked this hotel. 8/10. Big rooms. Huge rooms. Not expensive. Nice view. The breakfast is Ok. Not the best, but very much enough. The good thing is, they did not have any problems with bringing*girls during the day, and at night, after 9 pm you need to*pay 60 k pesos*per additional person which is quite good. I also took a massage in their Spa which was nice. And the location is just near Santa-Fe. It is a strange hotel though. They do have offices inside, and they forgot to bring towels which we had to request many times again to bring towels. Yet, I think it is worth it. Oh, they do insist on registering every girl that comes to the hotel. It is actually something I liked very much. They write down the name and ID of the girl. They don't care if it is an ID card, passport or work*permit from Venezuela. They let everyone get in. I actually like it. If a girl drugs me or steals something at least I have some kind of string to find her.

I never do anything without a condom, even blowjobs I get with the condom on. I prefer to sleep well at night,*so don't ask me about*it. I do like some kinky games, like submissive or dom. But those things are quite rare in Bogota although I did find a few.

Seeking:

A shitty place. The website or the app works really bad and makes it uneasy to work. You need a lot of time to talk with the girls, sometimes they want to meet at a restaurant before and no sex. Basically I think it is a waste of time. I brought three girls from seeking. One was a cute young girl who charged waaay over price, second was very hard to set an appointment*with but she was very horny anyhow she did not look good as in the photos and the last one was actually ugly. My recommendation is not to use it.

Tinder:

I had better luck here. It is basically the same as seeking only much easier to use and much easier to communicate with the girls. Most of the girls are working girls on Tinder (prepagos). If they have a photo in lingerie or swimsuit. It is for sure. After some chat on Tinder you move to WhatsApp. She asks for the offer and then you can meet. Since I speak Spanish I wasn't much afraid of drugs or other things since I did the screening talking to the girl and trying to understand how is her personality is. I did not have any problems with the girls. I always moved to WhatsApp and never only on Tinder. I had a very very bisexul girl from Tinder. A dike on a bike, with lovely tattoos and free spirit. We met two times. The problem was that she worked and did not want to miss her work so she did not have enough time. But she was very sexy, anal, rimming and she even wanted to bring her girlfriend but unfortunately I didn't had enough time. Next time for sure. I paid her 300 k pesos for 3 hours each time.

Casas / Massage parlours:

We took an Uber to Mezzanine street. It was nice. They have like 8 different parlours there, and in each one you had like 4 girls. Some are fair looking, some are ugly. The price is around 150 K for 40 min suck and fuck. I did get some phones number to call the girls to come later to the hotel. I went to a few other places: Loutron: quite sexy girls but high price, around 450 K per hour and 250 k extra fee to take the girl out and then you still need to pay the girl what she wants. Been to a few more casas and don't remember the names but I think it was quite a waste of time. Low number of girls and the places are far away from each other so you waste hours on traffic. The stripclubs in Santa-Fe give much better variety and value per money.

Escort services:

Actually had some nice experiences*from escort services. My recommendation is to use eroticasbogota or lacelestina- which I had good experience with. The prices are higher. 300 k per hour, and 800 k per night. But it is still quite cheap compared to Europe. The photos of the girls are real and the communication via WhatsApp is pleasant. Some even send you photos of the girls with their faces. The photos are always looking better than the girls in reality but the difference is small. Had a brunette, chubby, 7/10 that really liked me and even sent me her CV so I will help her find work. I have a 8/10 blonde girl that works on a webcam and has piercings in her tits, quite skinny. Very sexy but her attitude is not as good as the other*one. I had from another agency an 18 years old cute girl that was very nice.

And now, for the cherry on the icing, the strip clubs in Santa-Fe:

First, I used show around to find some local tour guides in Bogota. One of them took me to Troya club and it was nice. But then I took another girl. She was amazing. She is not a working girl. She charged $10 USD per hour, but she was worth every penny and we booked her almost everyday. So she came with me to Fiebre night club. Actually, since I speak the language I did not really need any local guide, but it is nice to have, and it is more fun. Without the language or a local guide, it might be a bit more dangerous and you might get scammed in the bar and get higher prices and it will be hard to negotiate*with the girls. Anyway, I didn't care to pay. She was fun. She took lap dances for herself too. She brought her friends and we all had fun. We went to dance Salsa together in Galeria cafe de Libro in Chapinero together and she took us to a cool club called 4. 40 to dance. I even took one of the strippers for the whole night, a tall*skinny sexy one to come and dance with us in the clubs, and the lovely tour guide brought her friends and it was a crazy party. We went with the tour guide also up to Monserrate mountain by foot and went down by foot too. I really recommend it since you get a full view of the whole sin-city of Bogota. We had a great tour with her.

Woodman09:

The area in Santa-Fe is quite dangerous, especially at night. I also booked Woodman09 from this forum to give us a walking tour guide in Santa-Fe (BTW, one of the nights also the girl from show around joined us too to the clubs again. Walking around Santa-Fe can be a bit nervous but it is not a s dangerous as you think. At night I took Uber to get from the hotel to clubs and back, but during the day I was walking around and with woodman09 there is no problem at all (the working girls already knew him. I don't like street girls and never get in with a street girl, but it was interesting to walk around and see.

There are many clubs and each one is next to the other so you can walk between the clubs. The prices are around this: 30 k / 40 k for a lap dance. 25 k for a corona beer. 700 k for a full night to take the girl to your place. Some girls ask 800 and some 300. It depends on the day (busy or not) or the hour they leave the club.

Atunes is good from 12 midday*until 4 pm. Then Troya until 10 pm. And then Fiebre from 8 pm until 3 am. I think Fiebre was the best club for me. I tried to see Paisas but it wasn't as good. I had plenty of lap dances in Fiebre and Troya where the girls strip fully nude and let you touch (not like Vegas which is shit). Found a tall sexy girl in Fiebre that moves like a serpent*and was quite intelligent and booked her for 3 nights for 700 k per night from 8 pm until 10 am. She was amazing and we still keep in touch. I just loooove those places.

Until the next time.

Aviv.

TLDR - 1) Looking for a girl friendly hotel 2) Working from home, Cannot leave the hotel room, 3) So domicilio (outcall) from mileroticos / photoprepagos is my only option 4) Need good reliable wifi.

Hi Folks,

I am in a very unique situation. I booked my trip to Bogota but suddenly there is a project deadline and I will be working a lot. I can probably take 1 hour breaks now and then between meetings. I know it sucks. Naturally I cannot leave the hotel room, and can only invite chicas from online in.

Here is what I have done so far.

Searched the forum with the keyword "hotel" and read every post and made a list of recommendations.

Hotel Tequendama, Hotel Ibis Santa Fe came up a lot.

Whatsapped some chicas from mileeroticos / photoprepago (about 20 so far).

Most live up north, Chapinero and up. Most do not do outcalls, only in their apartments. Two of them said Santa Fe es muy feo and refused to come there.

Even asked the chicas for recommendations and they only knew about the love motels.

Chicas seem to be more willing to do outcalls in Chapinero and so I plan to call up hotels in Chapinero for their girl policy.

Looks like 7 pm /8 pm you can have girls for free but after that there is a fee. I am looking for the most reasonable post 8 pm fee.

As I do my research, may be someone in similar situation as me can chip in and make it easy for me.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2728563]TLDR - 1) Looking for a girl friendly hotel 2) Working from home, Cannot leave the hotel room, 3) So domicilio (outcall) from mileroticos / photoprepagos is my only option 4) Need good reliable wifi.


Chicas seem to be more willing to do outcalls in Chapinero and so I plan to call up hotels in Chapinero for their girl policy.

Looks like 7 pm /8 pm you can have girls for free but after that there is a fee. I am looking for the most reasonable post 8 pm fee.

As I do my research, may be someone in similar situation as me can chip in and make it easy for me.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You can try B3 Virrey near Zona T, no tan feo like Santa Fe and very close to Chapinero. If you book for two person they won't charge you extra.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2728563]TLDR - 1) Looking for a girl friendly hotel 2) Working from home, Cannot leave the hotel room, 3) So domicilio (outcall) from mileroticos / photoprepagos is my only option 4) Need good reliable wifi.

Hi Folks,

I am in a very unique situation. I booked my trip to Bogota but suddenly there is a project deadline and I will be working a lot. I can probably take 1 hour breaks now and then between meetings. I know it sucks. Naturally I cannot leave the hotel room, and can only invite chicas from online in.

Here is what I have done so far.

Searched the forum with the keyword "hotel" and read every post and made a list of recommendations.

Hotel Tequendama, Hotel Ibis Santa Fe came up a lot.

Whatsapped some chicas from mileeroticos / photoprepago (about 20 so far).

Most live up north, Chapinero and up. Most do not do outcalls, only in their apartments. Two of them said Santa Fe es muy feo and refused to come there.

Even asked the chicas for recommendations and they only knew about the love motels.

Chicas seem to be more willing to do outcalls in Chapinero and so I plan to call up hotels in Chapinero for their girl policy.

Looks like 7 pm /8 pm you can have girls for free but after that there is a fee. I am looking for the most reasonable post 8 pm fee.

As I do my research, may be someone in similar situation as me can chip in and make it easy for me.

Thanks![/QUOTE]You can try B3 Virrey, not far from Chapinero and if you booked for two person, they won't charge you extra.

[QUOTE=Cutty80;2728596]You can try B3 Virrey, not far from Chapinero and if you booked for two person, they won't charge you extra.[/QUOTE]Will call the hotel today to confirm guest friendliness. Have you stayed in this hotel?

I arrive after midnight on a weekday. I want to hit up Santa Fe for a few beers and get some actions. Are things open pretty late during the weekdays like after 1/2 am.

[QUOTE=Avivis;2728562]I do need to confess I have made a mistake, all those Pesos prices with 1 Million for a full night quote sounds really high, but it is actually around $300 USD which is quite low in Europe standards, buts it sounds high. [/QUOTE]Great report. It IS high. You don't go to Colombia and think about Europe standards. You go to Colombia and think about Colombia standards. I am sure you do not think about Brazil standards when you are in Europe.

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2728792]Will call the hotel today to confirm guest friendliness. Have you stayed in this hotel?[/QUOTE]Yes, in December 2020. Used to be around 120 k breakfast included. The room was basic but sufficient, also plus it is located in very safe area. On the weekends they used to close the road for traffic due to ciclovia.

Long time lurker-first time contribution. In BOG currently. Tried to do the right thing and pay my $25 but started too late. Had two debit cards verified with coinbase but could not make the deal go down. Not my first time in BOG. Wasted two nights at the Tequendama. Just could not drag my ass down to learn Santa Fe. Onto Parque 93 area. I tried using the map onsite with no success. Finally, Absolutspa Carrera 16 No. 80-66. They have a website. Gate was open. Buzzed the bell. Pleasant lady invites me and says she is the only available at this time. Fine. I know very basic spanish. We got after it. Very clean space. No problem there. She asked for 310 K for 1 hour. Not sure what would happen. Ends up, nice naked massage, full sex and blow with condom to finish. Nice shower after. Got a sweet smile and hola from another gal on the way out. Would do this experience again. Never tried to track down Absolutspa2 shown on map. Next stop on to MDE and The Nutibara. I apologize for my crappy format.

Landed in Bogota today. Going to pop around Colombia for about a month or so but right now I'm north of chapinero in the Usaquen area and I'm wondering if there's a map for any of the casas or anything up here. I have the central chapinero map and I know about a few clubs like lidos up here. I'm just looking for some stuff to walk to. I'll likely switch hotels soon to be closer to the action in chapinero and Sante fe, but for now any help would be appreciated.

Hi,

Looks like all numbers of hotels have changed from the 7 digit to 10 digit format, so had to add 601 to all numbers mentioned in the website.

Assuming you already paid for two people.

1) Hotel B3 virrey - $50 a night for twin suite. Free guests (upto 2 guests) till 8 pm. FRee one overnight guest.

2) Hotel Tageundama $37 a night for two people. One guest free till 8 pm. 20 USD extra for overnight stay.

3) Hotel Ibis museo. The number did not work even after adding 601 , the email went unanswered. (8234;+57 60113814666&#8236.

4) Hotel Tequendama suites. Number did not work even after adding 601 (8234;+57 60113813888&#8236 - emailed them.

Tentatively booked an airbnb, with no security in the building. Looks like as long as I do not party, I can bring guests there no problem. I will post links to it if things turn out well.

Thanks.

I notice using the 'be' word is censored in my posts-- Is it permissable to write be**ch or be*ches esing asterisks?

As in 'I love banging Hot Young be*ches in Santa Fe'? Or 'I smashed a Hot Young be**ch'?

I using the word in posts-- so just trying to clear up the confusion-.

By the way, banged a few tonight.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2729034]I notice using the 'be' word is censored in my posts-- Is it permissable to write be**ch or be*ches esing asterisks?

As in 'I love banging Hot Young be*ches in Santa Fe'? Or 'I smashed a Hot Young be**ch'?

I using the word in posts-- so just trying to clear up the confusion-.

By the way, banged a few tonight.[/QUOTE]Your Editing Changed my post.

Be**tch -- NOT Be**ch Or Be*ches-- I did Not Have an 'e' -- I KNOW HOW TO SPELL -- Your Editing make me look stupid-- Please Stop.

Moderator-- Please Tell Us what Words are Not Allowed in this Forum so you don't edit the Meaning we are conveying.

Be**ch No E If Anything it should be Bi**h -- NOT Be**h.

Thank You in Advance.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2728937]Landed in Bogota today. Going to pop around Colombia for about a month or so but right now I'm north of chapinero in the Usaquen area and I'm wondering if there's a map for any of the casas or anything up here. I have the central chapinero map and I know about a few clubs like lidos up here. I'm just looking for some stuff to walk to. I'll likely switch hotels soon to be closer to the action in chapinero and Sante fe, but for now any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Look at the Bogota Lists message board (central board and in the bottom). Scroll through that. Traveler69 usually has a map, and while dated, will be a good starting point.

Be careful out there.

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2729433]Look at the Bogota Lists message board (central board and in the bottom). Scroll through that. Traveler69 usually has a map, and while dated, will be a good starting point.

Be careful out there.[/QUOTE]

I tried to buy a membership to this site a couple weeks ago so that I could contact you about getting a tour. My attempt at sending Bitcoin through coinbase to the sites crypto wallet essentially locked my Coinbase down, twice actually. I messaged the site through the "contact us" link and it seems like there's no one answering messages or dealing with their "flagged" crypto wallet regarding memberships. Needless to say I'm pretty bummed that I'm in Bogota right now and I'm unable to procure your services because of a lack of tech support from the site. Let me know if you can think of any other work around so that I can purchase a tour.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2729034]I notice using the 'be' word is censored in my posts-- Is it permissable to write be**ch or be*ches esing asterisks?

As in 'I love banging Hot Young be*ches in Santa Fe'? Or 'I smashed a Hot Young be**ch'?

I using the word in posts-- so just trying to clear up the confusion-.

By the way, banged a few tonight.[/QUOTE]

I will be arriving in Bogota next Monday if anyone wants to hit up a few places.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2729449]I tried to buy a membership to this site a couple weeks ago so that I could contact you about getting a tour. My attempt at sending Bitcoin through coinbase to the sites crypto wallet essentially locked my Coinbase down, twice actually. I messaged the site through the "contact us" link and it seems like there's no one answering messages or dealing with their "flagged" crypto wallet regarding memberships. Needless to say I'm pretty bummed that I'm in Bogota right now and I'm unable to procure your services because of a lack of tech support from the site. Let me know if you can think of any other work around so that I can purchase a tour.[/QUOTE]Look for a bitcoin ATM in Chapinero. If you search in the Bogota fourm there should be info. On my phone and too tough to look right now. But you should be able to get coin into a wallet in a few hours. In the US I use rocketcoin and just reload at a gas station. No issues like coinbase.

Thank you for that info. The site just updated their subscription methods. Apparently coinbase confiscated their Crypto wallet. They have new instructions up now, I'll try to get it paid immediately tomorrow.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2729502]Look for a bitcoin ATM in Chapinero. If you search in the Bogota fourm there should be info. On my phone and too tough to look right now. But you should be able to get coin into a wallet in a few hours. In the US I use rocketcoin and just reload at a gas station. No issues like coinbase.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2727960]Does anyone have a reccomendation for an easy std testing place in Bogota? Ideally in Chipinero or in the north? I went to a place last time I was there and they were a nightmare to deal with and made me come back in person multiple times to get the results. They were very judgemental too. My spanish is terrible so I would need to use Google translate. I am seeing a normal girl for the first part of my trip and I want to make sure I'm all good for endless bb and cip. She wants to see the results.

Ideal situation would be 1 visit and emailed results. Looking for hiv plus the other normal stuff that you could get.[/QUOTE]There is a lab called Colcan with a headquarters / mainlab at like calle 50 and autopista you can get a panel de enfermedades de transmision sexual, Examen de reagina plasmática areápida, and hiv 1-2 anticuerpos test. Should cost around 300 k. The panel gets you tested for 7 common stds. Examen de reagina plasmática areápida is for syphilis. You're notably missing hpv, hsv and hepatitis which I assume you could addon. They will email results, but I believe it's illegal to email hiv results in Colombia so no place will do it. This place also has decent waits. Expect things to take like 1-2 hours, not sure if it's different depending on time / day.

I should also note that I went in with a doctor's prescription for the tests, I assume they'll take you if you can just list them some tests, but I'm not entirely sure.

[QUOTE=Avivis;2728562]Here is my report regarding Bogota, Colombia on July 2022.




First, I used show around to find some local tour guides in Bogota. One of them took me to Troya club and it was nice. But then I took another girl. She was amazing. She is not a working girl. She charged $10 USD per hour, but she was worth every penny and we booked her almost everyday. So she came with me to Fiebre night club. Actually, since I speak the language I did not really need any local guide, but it is nice to have, and it is more fun. Without the language or a local guide, it might be a bit more dangerous and you might get scammed in the bar and get higher prices and it will be hard to negotiate*with the girls. Anyway, I didn't care to pay. She was fun. She took lap dances for herself too. She brought her friends and we all had fun. We went to dance Salsa together in Galeria cafe de Libro in Chapinero together and she took us to a cool club called 4. 40 to dance. I even took one of the strippers for the whole night, a tall*skinny sexy one to come and dance with us in the clubs, and the lovely tour guide brought her friends and it was a crazy party. We went with the tour guide also up to Monserrate mountain by foot and went down by foot too. I really recommend it since you get a full view of the whole sin-city of Bogota. We had a great tour with her.



Aviv.[/QUOTE]Hi Aviv.

Can you please PM me contact info for local show guide. She seems to be nice.

Thanks.

Hello friends.

I am planning to visit Bogota. Can someone share contact info for local guide.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SXLover;2730512]Hello friends.

I am planning to visit Bogota. Can someone share contact info for local guide.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Message Woodman. He posted on here a page or so down. Highly recommend and he will watch out for you.

I second Woodman. I'm here now and I obtained his guide services last night, highly recommend. Very cheap way to learn the ins and outs of the red light district and become comfortable going down there and enjoying all it has to offer.

[QUOTE=SXLover;2730512]Hello friends.

I am planning to visit Bogota. Can someone share contact info for local guide.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

I'll be down there in a few days and have a few hours during the day to check out the Santa Fe area. Had SG's in both Mexico City and Tijuana and so I'm guessing the things are still basically the same but I couldn't find much on updated pricing and a couple of specifics while searching through the forum?

What's a rough guideline to be working with for the standard 20 mins nude, BJ, CFS in multiple positions? Secondly, is it the same as other south / Central American countries that the girls are associated with a particular motel so after negotiating the price with the girl for services you also walk over to and pay separate for a room at her particular motel she's associated with?

I'm assuming that's also the case with the BG's at Troya and Lido. Negotiate a price and go upstairs or to whatever room is associated with the club and is that room extra?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2730789]Hi all,

I'll be down there in a few days and have a few hours during the day to check out the Santa Fe area. Had SG's in both Mexico City and Tijuana and so I'm guessing the things are still basically the same but I couldn't find much on updated pricing and a couple of specifics while searching through the forum?

What's a rough guideline to be working with for the standard 20 mins nude, BJ, CFS in multiple positions? Secondly, is it the same as other south / Central American countries that the girls are associated with a particular motel so after negotiating the price with the girl for services you also walk over to and pay separate for a room at her particular motel she's associated with?

I'm assuming that's also the case with the BG's at Troya and Lido. Negotiate a price and go upstairs or to whatever room is associated with the club and is that room extra?[/QUOTE]Some days are better than others (Tues-Sat) -- Street scene and clubs simalar to Tijuana but Way Better.

In Santa Fe typically you pay for everything at once at the motel office, Typically the price quoted will include her paying for the room. Best practice is to make sure this is talked about when you meet girls.

Use you Jedi skills to pick correctly-- If you have been successful in Mexico I think you know what to do.

If you are an obvious foriegner / dummy prices can rise and they may try to add the hotel fee on. Also some girls will lie (really) and the session will be crap.

Girls in SF are starting at 45-50 mil sometimes less but that is my on the ground experience from a few days ago.

Girls do stand by or near their hotels that they work in. Usually in front and in the driveway-- See Photo (that Girl was Fun- 18 with Big Naturals).

Go to Atunes Club on CR 16 a (Not Atonis) and Calle 23. There are some Hot 8+Clubgir in there probably starting at 80 mil-.

Good Luck with the Streetie Sweeties.

Have visited 3 major SA cities like Bogota, Lima, Mexico city twice each through last 10 yrs, Bogota being in 2010. Visiting again in September end for expo Most of time I chose airanb apartment for its elbow room 2 bhkH, staircase and girls can come and go, In Mexico city a babe backed away from anal, I sent her back with taxi money Pl suggest which area I should select. Pick area, classified advts etc rates?

Hello all.

Whats the name of generic Viagra / Cialis in Colombia and is it effective?

Thanks.

Just ask for them by the chemical name, not the brand name. They're pharmaceutical grade generics, work exactly the same as the brand name stuff.

[QUOTE=SXLover;2732851]Hello all.

Whats the name of generic Viagra / Cialis in Colombia and is it effective?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SXLover;2732851]Whats the name of generic Viagra / Cialis in Colombia and is it effective?[/QUOTE]Sildenafil and Taldalafil. If they were not effective they would not be called sildenafil and taldalafil.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2732890]Just ask for them by the chemical name, not the brand name. They're pharmaceutical grade generics, work exactly the same as the brand name stuff.[/QUOTE]The 50 MG ones I got in Santa Fe work great! Half a pill more than does it.

I am going to look for the spray form called Lysto. It's supposed to work in 2-3 minutes.

[QUOTE=ButockMann;2731958]Have visited 3 major SA cities like Bogota, Lima, Mexico city twice each through last 10 yrs, Bogota being in 2010. Visiting again in September end for expo Most of time I chose airanb apartment for its elbow room 2 bhkH, staircase and girls can come and go, In Mexico city a babe backed away from anal, I sent her back with taxi money Pl suggest which area I should select. Pick area, classified advts etc rates?[/QUOTE]I think you could do with some reading in the forum. Airbnb's and staircases? If you book an airbnb it may be an apartment, maybe a room in someone's house, may be a condo, may have security (which you want), may not, and most of all you have to check with the host whether guests are allowed or not (sometimes the house rules will address that). And if anal is a requirement check before the girl arrives, most will not, and if you are asking only after she arrives you are asking for a world of trouble.

[QUOTE=SXLover;2732851]Hello all.

Whats the name of generic Viagra / Cialis in Colombia and is it effective?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I say Viagra generico.

In Santa Fe next to the Triumph of God bakery is a pharmacy that sells 2 50 MG tabs for 5 mil, that's $1.25, I have used it so many times over the years, very consistent great results.

The pharmacy is on cll 23 between cr 16 and cr 16 a.

[QUOTE=Avivis;2728562]Here is my report regarding Bogota, Colombia on July 2022.

First, a bit about me. I am not that rich but I do have some money to spend on girls. I get to travel around the world due to my work. See my previous reports on Rio, Brazil.

And Kiev, Ukraine or Lisbon, Portugal. So last July I was visiting Bogota for 8 days due to my work. When I get to a place I like first to test and sample everything and every type of access to working girls to learn how things work differently in each country and city with different vibes from the girls. It wasn't my first time to Bogota, I already*went to Bogota in 2019 before the Pandemic and in 1998 as a young backpacker. I do speak quite good Spanish which helped me much with girls. And when I report I give FULL report.

I was looking more for the longer time connection and not just 30 min fuck and that's it. I wanted girls for a few days or girls for a full night. I do need to confess I have made a mistake, all those Pesos prices with 1 Million for a full night quote sounds really high, but it is actually around $300 USD which is quite low in Europe standards, buts it sounds high. So I did not use enough budget and I could have spent more and get better girls or service. I was also traveling with a buddy who had a lower budget and I didn't want to put him in a vulnerable*mood.

So here is my report:
Aviv.[/QUOTE]Very good report man, very detailed and informative. Lots of good information to help some noobs and vets alike.

TL; DR: Hotel gave girl a room key bec she registered with me upon check-in.

Made a quick dip to Bogota last week for just 4 days (Thu. Sun night). Had booked a great deal a while out of Newark for less than 300. In any event, met this girl from latin cupid who wanted to meet me at the airport. We've talked for almost 3 m though not daily and I was all set for the GFE. Flight, of course, delayed caused me to land around 10 p. Originally planned for 7'sih. She waited at the airport the whole time (so she said). We got to the hotel together for me to check in. They registered her as well at the same time. Friday had a good day together and every thing was good. Then come Sat morning, of course there were other plans which she knew this ahead of time. Now homegirl doesn't want to leave. I am being a bit gentle and telling her I have things to do, meet other ex-pats for dinner and to go out but still, she woudlnt agree to leave. She's saying things like she can wait here, no prob, go do what you have to do blah blah blah. Finally, around 2 p, she left but not happily. Chic I was to meet earlier on that day was pushed back to around 4 p and we met. Spending time with the new girl and getting ready to go back to hotel when I got a w'sapp msg from old girl telling some story and how she's back in the hotel room. I was like what? Huh? Wtf do you mean? So apparently, bec we registered together upon checking made her a registered guest with me and the hotel just made her a new key. Now, stuck, I just booked another room on the fly for a nearby hotel for the night to take new girl to. New girl left around 11 p. Went back to original hotel (Best Western Parque 93) and kicked the first girl out. Asked hotel to cancel her part of the registration and told them they cannot issue another key to room under any circumstances without my personal consent.

I actually couldnt believe this happened., never before and something I never even thought about until now. Anyway, food for thought I guess.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2733076]TL; DR: Hotel gave girl a room key bec she registered with me upon check-in.

Made a quick dip to Bogota last week for just 4 days (Thu. Sun night). Had booked a great deal a while out of Newark for less than 300. In any event, met this girl from latin cupid who wanted to meet me at the airport. We've talked for almost 3 m though not daily and I was all set for the GFE. Flight, of course, delayed caused me to land around 10 p. Originally planned for 7'sih. She waited at the airport the whole time (so she said). We got to the hotel together for me to check in. They registered her as well at the same time. Friday had a good day together and every thing was good. Then come Sat morning, of course there were other plans which she knew this ahead of time. Now homegirl doesn't want to leave. I am being a bit gentle and telling her I have things to do, meet other ex-pats for dinner and to go out but still, she woudlnt agree to leave. She's saying things like she can wait here, no prob, go do what you have to do blah blah blah. Finally, around 2 p, she left but not happily. Chic I was to meet earlier on that day was pushed back to around 4 p and we met. Spending time with the new girl and getting ready to go back to hotel when I got a w'sapp msg from old girl telling some story and how she's back in the hotel room. I was like what? Huh? Wtf do you mean? So apparently, bec we registered together upon checking made her a registered guest with me and the hotel just made her a new key. Now, stuck, I just booked another room on the fly for a nearby hotel for the night to take new girl to. New girl left around 11 p. Went back to original hotel (Best Western Parque 93) and kicked the first girl out. Asked hotel to cancel her part of the registration and told them they cannot issue another key to room under any circumstances without my personal consent.

I actually couldnt believe this happened., never before and something I never even thought about until now. Anyway, food for thought I guess.[/QUOTE]I thought about that when it almost happened but it's a good lesson to reenforce why it's not a good idea. Just curious. Did any money change hands? I have been thinking of trying latin cupid to try and move away from p4p and seeking, even though I have had real good luck with seeking and it not being pure p4p. Like if we were to rank the most p4p to the least would it be this? pure p4 p - seeking - latin cupid - civilian / normal pickup game? For me being new still and planning on spending a lot of time here, I enjoy trying different things. Part of the fun for me in addition to sex.

Also, I will probably want to partner up in a few years and Colombia has ruined me. I see myself with a latin woman.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2733076]TL; DR: Hotel gave girl a room key bec she registered with me upon check-in.[/QUOTE]I don't think that is a rookie mistake. I think that is an advanced mistake. Glad you made a report though. Now I will be cognizant to take chicks off the registration when they leave if they are not staying the full time with me. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2733083]I thought about that when it almost happened but it's a good lesson to reenforce why it's not a good idea. Just curious. Did any money change hands? I have been thinking of trying latin cupid to try and move away from p4p and seeking, even though I have had real good luck with seeking and it not being pure p4p. Like if we were to rank the most p4p to the least would it be this? pure p4 p - seeking - latin cupid - civilian / normal pickup game? For me being new still and planning on spending a lot of time here, I enjoy trying different things. Part of the fun for me in addition to sex.

Also, I will probably want to partner up in a few years and Colombia has ruined me. I see myself with a latin woman.[/QUOTE]Did any money changed hands? Short answer is yes. Not in the form of pure p4 p but it was pretty much expected. She never mentioned money or asked directly but made it clear she needed financial help. I ended up giving 400 k for the time. In my experience, pure p4 p is as you listed them. Except I would add Tinder so like Seeking. Tinder - Cupid. Chance civilian pick up. Obviously, for others prepagos and casas are not included.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2733315]Did any money changed hands? Short answer is yes. Not in the form of pure P4P but it was pretty much expected. She never mentioned money or asked directly but made it clear she needed financial help. I ended up giving 400 k for the time. In my experience, pure P4P is as you listed them. Except I would add Tinder so like Seeking. Tinder - Cupid. Chance civilian pick up. Obviously, for others prepagos and casas are not included.[/QUOTE]Strolling tru this forum since I will be in Bogota in exactly 2 weeks. I just want to say don't be discouraged w Tinder / Seeking or non pro plays. The mistake that was made was not clarifying expectations. Don't be that guy who think it's free LOL. It's always the funniest types of post around here, where the 60 yr old monger thinks his Dick is somehow so sweet and magical that the girl suddenly no longer need money LOL. Or her bills suddenly disappear (stealing that line from someone here LMAO). Sex can be free just like anywhere but only if you build that relationship w a true non pro and likely from cupid or a real dating site or from someone truly seeking a relationship, and of course there will still be expenses not directly for sex. Remember even if the girl lives w her parents, not selling pussy per se and going to school, she's only on seeking bc she needs money and expecting that. Especially if a 7+ heck even a 5+ if your out of her age group. We forget sometimes seeking is a SB / SD site.

There are of course tons of benefits, what men wouldn't like cleaner or less sexually experienced women or shall I say women that are not banging professionally in the street? Those are the ones honestly I only feel comfortable w to take out to dinner or dancing or kill time w. I can only bang so much in 24 hrs and I'm one of those just like many of you who enjoy sum company, so it's no big deal. Simply I'd say to always discuss the money biz, like ok pretty sugar baby how much you expect, etc. You'll be surprised that it will usually be much less than the typical 1 M for overnight the pros will ask. I usually pay no more than 400 k for all night, and yes I go in raw, BBBJ everything goes w most of them. You'll never get that w the top pros like the ones we find at Loutron. While the quality is just as high. I only date 8+ from seeking / cupid / tinder otherwise I don't bother.

Anyone who wants to hang first week of Sept let me know, still deciding BTW Chapinero or Sante Fe area. Lots of good reviews about Hotel Saint Simon so I might give it a try.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2733315]Did any money changed hands? Short answer is yes. Not in the form of pure p4 p but it was pretty much expected. She never mentioned money or asked directly but made it clear she needed financial help. I ended up giving 400 k for the time. In my experience, pure p4 p is as you listed them. Except I would add Tinder so like Seeking. Tinder - Cupid. Chance civilian pick up. Obviously, for others prepagos and casas are not included.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I will sign up and give it a try. I met a girl on seeking that really didn't need the money but sort of just wanted something extra because she could. Like her family has money and she has traveled and lived in Europe and other countries in SA. Another seeking girl I met just spent a month in Miami with her parents and is hitting me up for our 300 k dates now that I am back.

Like I am still trying to figure some of these girls out. Both have high earning potential, even in Colombia with the job market the way it is. And their family provides plenty of support. I fully understand that the picture they paint might not be 100% true, but college educated with good English and actively working is hard to bullshit in my opinion.

But I think it's all fun. I still have a lot to learn.

Anyone with recent experience visiting LOS Angeles VIP Avenida 1 de Mayo #68 I-21, or Guadalajara Av 1 de Mayo #69 be-53, ? Wanted to know if it's worth visiting or should I stick to what I know places like Troya / Fiebre in Santa Fee.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Georgest;2733622]Anyone with recent experience visiting LOS Angeles VIP Avenida 1 de Mayo #68 I-21, or Guadalajara Av 1 de Mayo #69 be-53, ? Wanted to know if it's worth visiting or should I stick to what I know places like Troya / Fiebre in Santa Fee.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Never been there and from what I hear, don't care to go.

There's a few posts here and they don't say much good about that area.

I live close to Santa Fe and for me it's enough.

Good luck if you go.

Greetings punters. First post on a new account, long time lurker and former contributor (allbiz1987).

Have spent a long time reading along here but haven't seen much mentioned about getting a massage outcall to a hotel room. I have and will stay at the Four Points and last visit an absolutely bombshell of a masseuse was checking out as I was checking in.

Anyone have any recommendations of an agency or indy who does this? My Spanish is quite limited, and my stay is only 3 days, hence my interest in the hotel visit. Paying some gringo tax is rather expected, and I anticipate being able to manage the hotel guest policy well enough, but if you have an experience at the Four Points I'd love to hear it.

Wish I could contribute some past Bogota experiences, but this will be my first as prior visits were hectic business trips. If you have questions about locations in North America I might be able to share.

Hey Everyone!

I am thinking about checking out Santa Fe. I am resident of SoCal and have been to Zona Norte more times than I could remember. I have also been to the German FKKs, Sosua DR, and Medellin.

I loved Medellin and spent most of my time with Botero girls. I speak fluent Spanish and with my darker skin everyone in Medellin assumed I was a local. I have already reached out to Woodman and will be in touch with him to show me around when I get to Santa Fe. I plan to stay in a Airbnb close to Calle 19 thanks to Woodman's advice. What do you guys think? In Botero I spent my time seeing 3-5 street girls a day and plan to do the same in Santa Fe.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2734527]Hey Everyone!

I am thinking about checking out Santa Fe. I am resident of SoCal and have been to Zona Norte more times than I could remember. I have also been to the German FKKs, Sosua DR, and Medellin.

I loved Medellin and spent most of my time with Botero girls. I speak fluent Spanish and with my darker skin everyone in Medellin assumed I was a local. I have already reached out to Woodman and will be in touch with him to show me around when I get to Santa Fe. I plan to stay in a Airbnb close to Calle 19 thanks to Woodman's advice. What do you guys think? In Botero I spent my time seeing 3-5 street girls a day and plan to do the same in Santa Fe.

Thanks![/QUOTE]If you like Botero Plaza you will enjoy Santa Fe a lot more-- Santa Fe is probably the best redlight area in Latin America. A lot of guy are not into Streetie Sweeties but if you are Santa Fe has lotsa hotties.

Plus the clubs have More hotties.

Last night was a classic great night so many hot girls everywhere-- I was showing a couple guys around who were blown away by the talent, most guys are.

[QUOTE=FlashShaker;2733076]TL; DR: Hotel gave girl a room key bec she registered with me upon check-in.

Made a quick dip to Bogota last week for just 4 days (Thu. Sun night). Had booked a great deal a while out of Newark for less than 300. In any event, met this girl from latin cupid who wanted to meet me at the airport. We've talked for almost 3 m though not daily and I was all set for the GFE. Flight, of course, delayed caused me to land around 10 p. Originally planned for 7'sih. She waited at the airport the whole time (so she said). We got to the hotel together for me to check in. They registered her as well at the same time. Friday had a good day together and every thing was good. Then come Sat morning, of course there were other plans which she knew this ahead of time. Now homegirl doesn't want to leave. I am being a bit gentle and telling her I have things to do, meet other ex-pats for dinner and to go out but still, she wouldn't agree to leave. She's saying things like she can wait here, no prob, go do what you have to do blah blah blah. Finally, around 2 p, she left but not happily. Chic I was to meet earlier on that day was pushed back to around 4 p and we met. Spending time with the new girl and getting ready to go back to hotel when I got a w'sapp msg from old girl telling some story and how she's back in the hotel room. I was like what? Huh? Wtf do you mean? So apparently, bec we registered together upon checking made her a registered guest with me and the hotel just made her a new key. Now, stuck, I just booked another room on the fly for a nearby hotel for the night to take new girl to. New girl left around 11 p. Went back to original hotel (Best Western Parque 93) and kicked the first girl out. Asked hotel to cancel her part of the registration and told them they cannot issue another key to room under any circumstances without my personal consent.

I actually couldnt believe this happened., never before and something I never even thought about until now. Anyway, food for thought I guess.[/QUOTE]I had almost the same experience in Peru last year, met this chick in tinder and was chatting with her for a month before visiting Lima. When chatting in Whatsapp she told me she speaks and understands English and I believed her and and the bad part is we only chatted did not do a video call. After 6 hrs flight from Atlanta met her at airport and immediately found that we both couldn't communicate properly as I don't understand or speak Spanish and she couldn't understand English. The only place we were comfortable was in bed and it was fun, but I can't think of spending the next two weeks with her just using google translate for even a basic communication.

Finally I pulled the trigger and told her that she is fun but I don't speak any Spanish and it will not be fun 2 weeks if we communicate using google translate, Initially to convince her was difficult and after a long battle of 3 hours convinced her to agree and told her that I am going to meet my long time friend tonight and booked her Uber back to home. The only damage to me was like $80 round trip flight to Cusco from Lima which I booked on her name and rest I managed to change or get refund. Thankfully I was chatting with multiple girls before travel and got a back up partner the same night and she was hangout with me for next two weeks.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2734588]If you like Botero Plaza you will enjoy Santa Fe a lot more-- Santa Fe is probably the best redlight area in Latin America.[/QUOTE]Thanks Woodman! Looks like I need to book my flight to Bogota!

I had a couple of hours yesterday away from some work colleagues to get down to Santa Fe and check it out. Unfortunately didn't session with any girls but I will say that yes you should go. Like me you've been to zona Norte in Tijuana (and the FKK's). Santa Fe is a much bigger zona Norte. I was only able to be there between 4 pm-6 pm before everyone from work was blowing my phone up wondering where I was but I will say that you will find all types of SG's. There were a lot of young, slim, tiny girls which is exactly what I like. I made the mistake of wasting my time in Troya. When I went in there at about 4:30'ish there was literally 3 girls inside. I got a water from the waiter and sat down slowly drinking it hoping that more girls would arrive but unfortunately they didn't and the 3 girls there weren't my type. Spent too long in there and then went back out. Walked around a bit to see more SG's before finding Paisas club (it's right next to Troya but unlike Tijuana the sign for the club is small and it's just a door which I didn't appreciate at first. I went inside Paisas about 5 pm and there were 6 girls but all of them were small, cute, young girls. Got a water and sat down to get acclimated to what was happening. The girls attitudes though remind me of Bar Tropical in Tijuana since you're probably familiar with that. They just sit at a bar stool and you need to go up to them to talk to them (unlike HK where they will just mostly walk up to you). There were 2 really cute girls I wanted to get with but 1 guy started talking to them almost immediately once I got round to getting comfortable in there and took them both up. 1 tiny blonde young looking girl looked good but was on her phone the whole time so got a weird vibe that she'd just be bored upstairs but in Hindsight I wish I took her because one other girl I wanted to try literally had a guy take her to the table as soon as I got up out of mine to walk over to her. I sat back down and went back and forth about the cute little blonde girl and then my phone blew up with work letting me know I needed to be up in Zona T for dinner reservations.

Long story short. Go for it. I found it weird but weird in a good way hopefully that when I was there (late afternoon 4-6 pm Saturday) the SG's were cuter and better looking than the handful of girls inside Paisas and Troya at that time which for me is the opposite of Tijuana). I'm guessing maybe as the night gets later the amount of girls increases in both those clubs. Also south of Calle 22 it was fine for about 1 block and then some of the girls looked more Trans like. Good luck.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2734527]Hey Everyone!

I am thinking about checking out Santa Fe. I am resident of SoCal and have been to Zona Norte more times than I could remember. I have also been to the German FKKs, Sosua DR, and Medellin.

I loved Medellin and spent most of my time with Botero girls. I speak fluent Spanish and with my darker skin everyone in Medellin assumed I was a local. I have already reached out to Woodman and will be in touch with him to show me around when I get to Santa Fe. I plan to stay in a Airbnb close to Calle 19 thanks to Woodman's advice. What do you guys think? In Botero I spent my time seeing 3-5 street girls a day and plan to do the same in Santa Fe.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

I will 2nd Woodman in that the SG's are very cute. Blows Tijuana away. Since I didn't take any up I'm not sure of service quality but damn there were a few I'd like to try. I'm going to try to get a couple of hours in before I leave and if I can't I feel completely comfortable with coming down here for a few days on a personal vacation. Also as far to safety. I felt completely fine. I caught the TransMillenio down to Calle 22 walked around the whole area. It's no worse than Tijuana. Yeah you'll see some homeless people, you might have some people ask you for money, there's vendors around selling stuff, noise, music, people, etc but it's the same as every other red light district I've been to. So if you've been to a few you'll have no probs here.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2734588]If you like Botero Plaza you will enjoy Santa Fe a lot more-- Santa Fe is probably the best redlight area in Latin America. A lot of guy are not into Streetie Sweeties but if you are Santa Fe has lotsa hotties.

Plus the clubs have More hotties.

Last night was a classic great night so many hot girls everywhere-- I was showing a couple guys around who were blown away by the talent, most guys are.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SingamSoup;2734620]Finally I pulled the trigger and told her that she is fun but I don't speak any Spanish and it will not be fun 2 weeks if we communicate using google translate.[/QUOTE]Yes. And I speak basic Spanish. Most of the women on Colombian Cupid will lie and say they speak some English. By the time you get them to bed you realize its a pain to try to communicate and its not worth the effort. Next.

Where can I go for a testosterone injection?

Arriving 09/04.

I was just staying at the four points last week. The staff speaks pretty decent English. The neighborhood is extremely safe to walk around at night. You're very close to Lidos, which is as fancy as it gets for a strip club brothel, it's also as expensive as it gets for Colombian pussy. I had no issues bringing girls back to my room during the day time, they just need to register at the front desk. If they stay over or stay late into the evening I believe there is a small fee involved unless you booked your room for extra guests.

If you want a decent massage that you can walk to, and be able to choose from a dozen or so girls, try the mezzanines out. I found it to be a great place to go for sex. My buddy even got a massage there that he enjoyed. The location of the mezzanines are diagonally across the street from Hotel Dann Carlton Bogota Cra. 15 # 103-60, Bogotá, Colombia.

They're on the second floor of a building ain't a little staircase that goes up towards a small eatery. At the top of the stairs you can go right down the front of the storefronts and there is 1 decently sized brothel with a handful of girls. I think their door number is 7 or 8. You can also go left at the top of the stairs and wrap around to the back side of mezzanines where it's more hidden from view. There were 3-4 additional brothels on the backside of the second floor with varying numbers of girls to see. All of which are affordable and start around 100 k cop per half hour. Upcharges for BBBJ and anal and anything else you care to negotiate for. If you want them back to your hotel, just get their WhatsApp number and communicate your wants / needs through text.

If you're not comfortable going to meet them in person at their place of business for a test drive, you can use sites like milerotico and 80% of the time you'll be texting with a pimp / handler / agency and they'll send you out someone that may or may look like the pictures on the ad, and may or may not perform well. It's a real gamble. I personally prefer going to see the girls in person at the brothels and test driving before I invite them back to my room for better dates.

[QUOTE=Travler77;2734491]Greetings punters. First post on a new account, long time lurker and former contributor (allbiz1987).

Have spent a long time reading along here but haven't seen much mentioned about getting a massage outcall to a hotel room. I have and will stay at the Four Points and last visit an absolutely bombshell of a masseuse was checking out as I was checking in.

Anyone have any recommendations of an agency or indy who does this? My Spanish is quite limited, and my stay is only 3 days, hence my interest in the hotel visit. Paying some gringo tax is rather expected, and I anticipate being able to manage the hotel guest policy well enough, but if you have an experience at the Four Points I'd love to hear it.

Wish I could contribute some past Bogota experiences, but this will be my first as prior visits were hectic business trips. If you have questions about locations in North America I might be able to share.[/QUOTE]

Woodman will find you exactly what you want in Sante Fe. No shortage of chicas in Sante Fe. Good food too down there. He knows all the right streets to take you down, every nook and cranny where the chicas like to post up. If you can't get your quota of street girls in Sante for absolute rock bottom prices after you take a tour with Woodman, I'd be absolutely shocked. Bring small bills, the girls won't make change for you and they ask for odd amounts like 45/65/90 etc etc.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2734527]Hey Everyone!

I am thinking about checking out Santa Fe. I am resident of SoCal and have been to Zona Norte more times than I could remember. I have also been to the German FKKs, Sosua DR, and Medellin.

I loved Medellin and spent most of my time with Botero girls. I speak fluent Spanish and with my darker skin everyone in Medellin assumed I was a local. I have already reached out to Woodman and will be in touch with him to show me around when I get to Santa Fe. I plan to stay in a Airbnb close to Calle 19 thanks to Woodman's advice. What do you guys think? In Botero I spent my time seeing 3-5 street girls a day and plan to do the same in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SingamSoup;2734620]I had almost the same experience in Peru last year, met this chick in tinder and was chatting with her for a month before visiting Lima. When chatting in Whatsapp she told me she speaks and understands English and I believed her and and the bad part is we only chatted did not do a video call. After 6 hrs flight from Atlanta met her at airport and immediately found that we both couldn't communicate properly as I don't understand or speak Spanish and she couldn't understand English. The only place we were comfortable was in bed and it was fun, but I can't think of spending the next two weeks with her just using google translate for even a basic communication.

Finally I pulled the trigger and told her that she is fun but I don't speak any Spanish and it will not be fun 2 weeks if we communicate using google translate, Initially to convince her was difficult and after a long battle of 3 hours convinced her to agree and told her that I am going to meet my long time friend tonight and booked her Uber back to home. The only damage to me was like $80 round trip flight to Cusco from Lima which I booked on her name and rest I managed to change or get refund. Thankfully I was chatting with multiple girls before travel and got a back up partner the same night and she was hangout with me for next two weeks.[/QUOTE]Having dozens and dozens of trips under my belt for a lot of years, Language problems are exhausting, and a sure way of taking the shine off of any relationship. The same goes for using a translator, it's ok to define a point but a conversation of any length is tiring.

When I first started going on trips and only speaking a handful of very basic Spanish phrases I kept it down to pretty much dates with prepagos for an hour or two, it was fine. Like they say, you pay them to leave. No matter how beautiful they were or how hot the sex, I can't tell you the relief I felt as I closed the door behind them. But. If you learn some conversational Spanish, it opens up the door to many more opportunities. The thing I found best about it is the accessibility to the local talent. I can't tell you how many waitresses and women I met in the mall, that turned out to be wonderful great relationships. One that came to mind was a waitress in Pizza Alley, super hot but not a word of English. Over the top novia sex and we met many times over the next few years. Also when you get to know each other on a more intimate level you often find an appreciation of latin culture that you may not get a chance to know otherwise. I had great trips with some beautiful and sexy women. For an hour or 2 and that was fun but make it a point to learn your Spanish and take full advantage of your trips. Banging 2 or 3 a day and you could care less about even knowing their name cane be just as much fun if that's your M. O. To each his own.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2734731]Where can I go for a testosterone injection?

Arriving 09/04.[/QUOTE]You can get Testuviron which comes Pre-loaded in syringe cost is about $7 but may have gone up a bit. It is for a 2 week duration.

Also available is Nebido or an equivalant named Uromax or something like that -- This is a thicker medication that is supposed to last 8 weeks-- but really lasts 6. Cost is $60-$70.

Many parmacies will inject for you.

Finally got a chance to get away from work again. This time it was a Monday and I arrived about 7 pm at the Calle 22 transmilenio stop. Walked across the street and once again greeted with some gorgeous, small, slim sg's. Once I checked out the sg's I decided to go back into paisas to see if the really tiny young girls were still in there from Saturday. Paisas was dead! I was the 2nd guy in the club and there were about 5 girls. Only 1 looked slim (which is my type) but she was cowered away in the corner on her phone. Only ordered a bottle of water so if it didn't improve I could skip out fast with not much money lost on getting beer and sure enough it didn't improve so I got out of there and went into Troya. This time Troya was better than Paisas.

Spotted a cute, tall, slim blonde girl. Paola. Took her upstairs. The process worked a bit different in Tijuana. She'll take you up to the bar and you give her the agreed upon money and in exchange get a rubber and then head up the stairs to the room. There's a girl / cleaner up there waiting who will walk you to the room. I didn't realize she wanted a propina and ignored her. Probably a but shitty but I'm used to doing all the payment stuff at the end.

Anyways to the girl. What a beautiful tight pussy and gorgeous small.

Tits. 150 k for BBBJ, CFS, DATY and light besos. 69 was beautiful. I ended up going crazy licking her ass it was so tiny. She started laughing and asked me if I wanted anal. I said no but I'm guessing it may be on the table if interested and I couldn't get enough of how tiny her little butt was. One lick with no head motion from me went from her clit all the way to her asshole. What a beautiful sight. She went on top which was good but I wanted to slam her from behind. I had to motion her to bend down as she wanted to do that typical shit where she doesn't bend down fully so you can't fuck hard but she evenTually got the idea and it allowed a better angle and harder fuck. I don't know if she was gripping me or if she was naturally tight but in doggy I couldn't last very long. It was great. I quickly asked her for cum on face and she replied back cum in mouth so pulled out and she licked all over my cock while I stroked a big fat load into her cute little mouth for 100 k more and a 20 k propina. All up with tip 270 k (about $65 usd). I'the be paying $100 + propina for a girl in Tijuanas HK. Bogota deserves some more respect.

Also, just wanted to make a point. I'm into tiny, slim girls. Not really the thick ones. Colombia has a stereotype image of thick girls and yes they're here and in the clubs but I've been surprised at the number of really tiny, slim girls here too. So if you're into the slim, small girls like me don't be put off by the stereotypical thick Colombian girls. Come down and explore!

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2734658]I will 2nd Woodman in that the SG's are very cute. Blows Tijuana away. Since I didn't take any up I'm not sure of service quality but damn there were a few I'd like to try. I'm going to try to get a couple of hours in before I leave and if I can't I feel completely comfortable with coming down here for a few days on a personal vacation..[/QUOTE]Picking the right SG is an art-- You got to chat them up before you pull the trigger. You have to get an idea of their attitude and mood and even then they can be deceptive and just a lousy session but most of the time works for me.

It is an odd situation talking to a girl standing on the street and than you are in a room with them getting undressed-- In a club you have more of an opportunity to mess around and get to know the girl better. I love going to SF clubs because you can grind and feel up those girls for free if they are fun-- ALthough I will tip a bit if I don't end up getting a lapdance or session. On the street you can't do that although I try LOL. I have banged so many SGs Typically I will bang 2 or 3 -- sometimes it's a girl I know (I know so many) But most times at least 1 new girl because there are always new girls and I need to bang new girls, LOL.

What works for me is treating it like a party and sweet talking and taking control of the situation because I find if you don't the girl does not know what do. Plus you only have so much time to start banging.

Anyhow, I wish you luck!!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2735177]Picking the right SG is an art-- You got to chat them up before you pull the trigger. You have to get an idea of their attitude and mood and even then they can be deceptive and just a lousy session but most of the time works for me.

It is an odd situation talking to a girl standing on the street and than you are in a room with them getting undressed-- In a club you have more of an opportunity to mess around and get to know the girl better. I love going to SF clubs because you can grind and feel up those girls for free if they are fun-- ALthough I will tip a bit if I don't end up getting a lapdance or session. On the street you can't do that although I try LOL. I have banged so many SGs Typically I will bang 2 or 3 -- sometimes it's a girl I know (I know so many) But most times at least 1 new girl because there are always new girls and I need to bang new girls, LOL.

What works for me is treating it like a party and sweet talking and taking control of the situation because I find if you don't the girl does not know what do. Plus you only have so much time to start banging.

Anyhow, I wish you luck!![/QUOTE]Hey man, since you seem to have a lot of experience on street girls, how do you deal with them wanting to make you cum as fast as possible and be done with the act in like less than 10 minutes?

Most of the times I have found girls like this in SF. They do a very quick blowjob, they ride you very fast to try to make you cum and if you don't cum while they are doing cowgirl or reverse cowgirl they go to doggie and try to make you cum quick.

I have almost never had the chance to kiss them or do more positions. Everything usually takes no more than 10 minutes. And if you spend more time they start knocking the door from the outside!

I'm curious as to how do you manage to get a better service from them? Do you go during the day?

Also what is your experience in Atunes? This seems to be the only place which is active during the day (before 5 PM).

I want to go to Fiebre to sit near the stage and have some lapdances. And maybe go upstairs with a girl.

But mostly just go to have a good time. Fiebre seems to be the best place to go after 10 PM.

But to do this you need to order at least a bottle of aguardiente which I wouldn't drink by myself.

Because I don't like to drink. Someone would like to go with me? I speak english, german and spanish. And look like a native colombian.

You can hit me up in the private message.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2735325]Hey man, since you seem to have a lot of experience on street girls, how do you deal with them wanting to make you cum as fast as possible and be done with the act in like less than 10 minutes?

Most of the times I have found girls like this in SF. They do a very quick blowjob, they ride you very fast to try to make you cum and if you don't cum while they are doing cowgirl or reverse cowgirl they go to doggie and try to make you cum quick.

I have almost never had the chance to kiss them or do more positions. Everything usually takes no more than 10 minutes. And if you spend more time they start knocking the door from the outside!

I'm curious as to how do you manage to get a better service from them? Do you go during the day?

Also what is your experience in Atunes? This seems to be the only place which is active during the day (before 5 PM).[/QUOTE]Hmmmm. I guess that is better than SGs that don't give a crap about you getting off.

I like kissing but more often than not that is not happening first time, If it's a good session and I repeat kissing happens sometimes.

I could not put up with what you wrote. First of all I don't cum too easy and I cannot cum with a girl on top.

As I wrote, picking the right girl is key. I want a girl that is submissive and will let me take over and fulfill my sexual agenda. I want to be able to grab her ass and she is happy about it. That is why I like to talk for a few minutes and see how she is and establish some kind of relationship.

I definitely have a usual routine.

When I get into the room I like to hug and fondle some foreplay touching, kissing or try to kiss. My usual program is to have her give me some hand action with saliva, then, Stand up on the bed and let her do her be-J I love face fucking and gagging her.

After a bit I like to go into missionary and then bend her legs up and bang her harder, then I like to have her close her legs and bang her with her legs together. Then Doggie style for a bit-- I like to flatten her out and bang her from behind with her legs closed-- I usually finish after banging this way or from the front with legs closed.

Often the fantasy in my head is I am her professor teaching her self esteem making her profe cum LOL, Feeling my dick twitch and squirt gives her self esteem-.

If this is a good session and I am happy I often will repeat. I have a large stable of girls for that. I like day and night SGs.

I have not really sessioned in Atunes much but the last time I went there were some stunners in there in the afternoon.

If I'm touring, I will try and message you to tag along.

You should check out the South Stroll.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2734588]If you like Botero Plaza you will enjoy Santa Fe a lot more-- Santa Fe is probably the best redlight area in Latin America. A lot of guy are not into Streetie Sweeties but if you are Santa Fe has lotsa hotties.

Plus the clubs have More hotties.

Last night was a classic great night so many hot girls everywhere-- I was showing a couple guys around who were blown away by the talent, most guys are.[/QUOTE]True indeed.

Atunes, I found some winners there. TRUE WINNERS that have me waving the white flag of surrender en la cama.

This is Not my video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYmH-5L31NM[/URL]

You can see some Hotties right at the beginning.

Found this video, it is 9:22 long all around the South Stroll and also part of the New south area that you don't need to go to, LOL.

It is the main area of the South Stroll Up to 2:20 and than it goes down Calle 21 which is more like a neighborhood and is less regulated-.

I don't really go because that area is more sketchy and there is no need. The girls are mostly just average from 2:20 to 7:30.

7:30 on it goes back to the main South area for sure.

There are some Trans on the fringes and a whole bunch at CR16 and calle20.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2735325]Hey man, since you seem to have a lot of experience on street girls, how do you deal with them wanting to make you cum as fast as possible and be done with the act in like less than 10 minutes?[/QUOTE]But isn't that their job? She is not your girlfriend. She is there to get your rocks off. And if she is able to get your rocks off in 10 minutes, most would call that a job well done.

Likely I won't head to Lido's given the top-tier pricing and my poor Spanish (it only gets harder in a noisy space).

Really appreciate your notes.

The Mezz has been on my radar for a couple years as I anticipated my next trip (this will be my 4th time in town), but so far I've held back due to Spanish skills. Agency / seeking / guided experiences are likely to be more in focus for now and unless my language skills improve. I usually only have 3-5 nights in town will full working days / dinners, so timeliness is the name of the game. Funny too that I found many photoprepago chicks ending work by 7-9 pm in the evening last time I was in town so locking down a last minute thing after a work dinner was a long shot.

Will share a review of what I manage to get up to.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2734878]I was just staying at the four points last week.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2735325]you seem to have a lot of experience on street girls, how do you deal with them wanting to make you cum as fast as possible and be done with the act in like less than 10 minutes?
[/QUOTE]Make it clear up front you are paying them for their time first and foremost. For example, "I want 30 minutes and I don't want to cum except near the end".

On multiple girl days I do a lot of "edging" and I tell the earlier chicas up front that's what I am doing, usually with some true humor like, "I am going to drench my girlfriend's face later tonight". The chicas seem to be able to relate. I have even used a timer for sessions, especially with a chica I might not know.

Also, I have no problem telling them to stop if I am getting too close to a climax, and I can only think of one time when the chica tried to "override" it, pardon the pun.

Maybe this helps. Good Luck and Keep On Keepin' On!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2735537]This is Not my video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYmH-5L31NM[/URL]

You can see some Hotties right at the beginning.

Found this video, it is 9:22 long all around the South Stroll and also part of the New south area that you don't need to go to, LOL.

It is the main area of the South Stroll Up to 2:20 and than it goes down Calle 21 which is more like a neighborhood and is less regulated-.
.....

There are some Trans on the fringes and a whole bunch at CR16 and calle20.[/QUOTE]Also Got the times messed up.

South Stroll beginning 30 seconds-- Then at 1:56 it shows more SS action-- at 2;22 it is that unoficial area on Calle 21 -- 3;30 to 7;42 is main SS area-.

My Bad-- [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMNr_9YBoYQ&t=18s[/URL].

Use WhatsApp it has a translator. Click on three ... Below the message line.

[QUOTE=Travler77;2735702]Likely I won't head to Lido's given the top-tier pricing and my poor Spanish (it only gets harder in a noisy space).

Really appreciate your notes.

The Mezz has been on my radar for a couple years as I anticipated my next trip (this will be my 4th time in town), but so far I've held back due to Spanish skills. Agency / seeking / guided experiences are likely to be more in focus for now and unless my language skills improve. I usually only have 3-5 nights in town will full working days / dinners, so timeliness is the name of the game. Funny too that I found many photoprepago chicks ending work by 7-9 pm in the evening last time I was in town so locking down a last minute thing after a work dinner was a long shot.

Will share a review of what I manage to get up to.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2735160]....

Also, just wanted to make a point. I'm into tiny, slim girls. Not really the thick ones. Colombia has a stereotype image of thick girls and yes they're here and in the clubs but I've been surprised at the number of really tiny, slim girls here too. So if you're into the slim, small girls like me don't be put off by the stereotypical thick Colombian girls. Come down and explore![/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report and especially the assurances that there are flaquitas! I'm all for everyone enjoying their tastes and that "phat" asses are currently in fashion. But I love slender, more petite women but with medium to larger breasts in proportion to their bodies.

I'm considering spending a month or more in Colombia this winter. Seems Medellin is more tourist friendly and cosmopolitain but Bogota has hotter girls and more of an active and organized P4 P scene. While I'm in good shape for a guy in my 50's, I'm not sure how I'm going to fare in the higher altitude of Bogota when it comes to fucking. I'm the opposite of a premature ejaculator and really need to get some strong thrusting going to push me over the edge. And that takes cardiovascular fitness! Sounds like the flaquitas are a good motivation to get myself in shape!

Anyone with some pics of the flaquitas?

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2735783]Thanks for the great report and especially the assurances that there are flaquitas! I'm all for everyone enjoying their tastes and that "phat" asses are currently in fashion. But I love slender, more petite women but with medium to larger breasts in proportion to their bodies.

I'm considering spending a month or more in Colombia this winter. Seems Medellin is more tourist friendly and cosmopolitain but Bogota has hotter girls and more of an active and organized P4 P scene. While I'm in good shape for a guy in my 50's, I'm not sure how I'm going to fare in the higher altitude of Bogota when it comes to fucking. I'm the opposite of a premature ejaculator and really need to get some strong thrusting going to push me over the edge. And that takes cardiovascular fitness! Sounds like the flaquitas are a good motivation to get myself in shape!

Anyone with some pics of the flaquitas?[/QUOTE]I prefer to stay away from Medellin, Being a Gringo with green eyes, it was once a novelty in Medellin, not anymore and hasn't been for a long time now. Although Bogota is getting more popular with gringos everyday it's still no where near as tired and touristy as Medellin. The weather in Medellin, 'the eternal spring' is very nice, the weather in Bogota is ok with me, Rain can be a nuisance but I like the cooler weather. At an elevation of 8,500 feet more or less, it can be difficult for some. I live on the east coast on the water, so sea level can need some time to acclimate to the elevation in Bogota but by the 2nd day your pretty much back to normal. Most of my problem was a habit of shallow breathing but if you stay conscious of the fact and be sure to deep breath you'll be fine. Having her on top, cowgirl helps a lot jaja Lastly Bogota has grown to almost 9 million people a LOT more populated than Medellin, so there is safety in numbers At last count 4. 5 million of them are women so the odds are in your favor. I'm with you, I go for the more petite, model type bodies and although the Colombians go ape shit for the big tits and asses, the flacas are sometimes overlooked by the men in Colombia. I've have found that complicating the the thinner ones with natural tits works wonders for me. Lots of guys will pass over a hottie because she's thin and go for a thick chic with cow tits. To each his own, have fun.

Craziest thing about Lidos was that they had the music turned down super low, you didn't have to talk above a normal level that you would at a dinner restaurant with background music on.

[QUOTE=Travler77;2735702]Likely I won't head to Lido's given the top-tier pricing and my poor Spanish (it only gets harder in a noisy space).

Really appreciate your notes.

The Mezz has been on my radar for a couple years as I anticipated my next trip (this will be my 4th time in town), but so far I've held back due to Spanish skills. Agency / seeking / guided experiences are likely to be more in focus for now and unless my language skills improve. I usually only have 3-5 nights in town will full working days / dinners, so timeliness is the name of the game. Funny too that I found many photoprepago chicks ending work by 7-9 pm in the evening last time I was in town so locking down a last minute thing after a work dinner was a long shot.

Will share a review of what I manage to get up to.[/QUOTE]

I live at low altitude in the states and I take forever to get a nut. It only took me about a week to get acclimated to the Bogota altitude. My first few sessions had my lungs getting spicy after 5-10 minutes but it quickly went away and I was back to performing at my normal pace / rhythm of back home before I knew it. Don't be discouraged by the altitude. Take 5-10 MG of Cialis every morning and you'll be fine.

I'm in Medellin right now and I can't wait to get back to Bogota, parque Lleras is a cesspool of Americanized bars and clubs with expensive food and drink that makes you wonder why you traveled to a different continent for experiences you could have had back home in every major city that caters to the 20's and 30's social media selfie taking crowd. There's neon signs with English phrases in every restaurant and club you walk into and the food is a disappointment and expensive. I've spent way too much time in the zona Rosa area of Medellin because a female friend came to visit and had to do go to every cliche bar and club for her social media timeline highlights. Moving to la Candelaria today when she leaves to try to find some better experiences, but this place has nothing on Bogota.

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2735783]Thanks for the great report and especially the assurances that there are flaquitas! I'm all for everyone enjoying their tastes and that "phat" asses are currently in fashion. But I love slender, more petite women but with medium to larger breasts in proportion to their bodies.

I'm considering spending a month or more in Colombia this winter. Seems Medellin is more tourist friendly and cosmopolitain but Bogota has hotter girls and more of an active and organized P4 P scene. While I'm in good shape for a guy in my 50's, I'm not sure how I'm going to fare in the higher altitude of Bogota when it comes to fucking. I'm the opposite of a premature ejaculator and really need to get some strong thrusting going to push me over the edge. And that takes cardiovascular fitness! Sounds like the flaquitas are a good motivation to get myself in shape!

Anyone with some pics of the flaquitas?[/QUOTE]

Here are some Super Cute Skinny Streety Sweeties from years ago-- So Hot, very memorable.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2736044]I live at low altitude in the states and I take forever to get a nut. It only took me about a week to get acclimated to the Bogota altitude. My first few sessions had my lungs getting spicy after 5-10 minutes but it quickly went away and I was back to performing at my normal pace / rhythm of back home before I knew it. Don't be discouraged by the altitude. Take 5-10 MG of Cialis every morning and you'll be fine.

I'm in Medellin right now and I can't wait to get back to Bogota, parque Lleras is a cesspool of Americanized bars and clubs with expensive food and drink that makes you wonder why you traveled to a different continent for experiences you could have had back home in every major city that caters to the 20's and 30's social media selfie taking crowd. There's neon signs with English phrases in every restaurant and club you walk into and the food is a disappointment and expensive. I've spent way too much time in the zona Rosa area of Medellin because a female friend came to visit and had to do go to every cliche bar and club for her social media timeline highlights. Moving to la Candelaria today when she leaves to try to find some better experiences, but this place has nothing on Bogota.[/QUOTE]NO-- Bogota sux-- Medellin is Waaaayyyyyyy. Better.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2736110]Here are some Super Cute Skinny Streety Sweeties from years ago-- So Hot, very memorable.[/QUOTE]My favorite flaquita. Love the cinnamon color tone.

I don't see a lot of reports for photoprepagos or other sites. Maybe because they come and go? I saw this chica at an apartment on Sunday. I think she qualifies as flaquita. What do you think? I think maybe 5'2". I did an hour for 100 plus 30 for bbj. Forgot to negotiate going down on her up front.

Another 30 in the moment. Pretty good experience and speaking Spanish would have amped the experience up. I went down on her for like 15 minutes and she was scratching my arms. Much more affectionate after that I'm going to revisit to see if things improve more since it's walking distance. Also a queen bed!

https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/una-morena-sexy-con-nalgas-demasiado-bellas-id-c94gk

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2736044]I live at low altitude in the states and I take forever to get a nut. It only took me about a week to get acclimated to the Bogota altitude. My first few sessions had my lungs getting spicy after 5-10 minutes but it quickly went away and I was back to performing at my normal pace / rhythm of back home before I knew it. Don't be discouraged by the altitude. Take 5-10 MG of Cialis every morning and you'll be fine.

I'm in Medellin right now and I can't wait to get back to Bogota, parque Lleras is a cesspool of Americanized bars and clubs with expensive food and drink that makes you wonder why you traveled to a different continent for experiences you could have had back home in every major city that caters to the 20's and 30's social media selfie taking crowd. There's neon signs with English phrases in every restaurant and club you walk into and the food is a disappointment and expensive. I've spent way too much time in the zona Rosa area of Medellin because a female friend came to visit and had to do go to every cliche bar and club for her social media timeline highlights. Moving to la Candelaria today when she leaves to try to find some better experiences, but this place has nothing on Bogota.[/QUOTE]Ha ha this is very true man. I had another trip planned for medellin and changed it to Bogota for the exact reasons you described. I plan to explore several other places first and will likely be a year or two before I return to mde. Way to many gringos there, like 6 mo ago cop stopped us in el poblado frisking me and friends to try to find drugs so we could pay them LOL, thankfully I don't do that shit nor hang w females who do then I hear it's a common thing they do there. The best spot to stay in mde is in laureles and visit photoprepago girls, visit el centro and the casas or private citas. Stay away for llera or el poblado area. So Bogota here I come, then my other spots in Colombia are secrets so you damn mongers don't go ruin them w your selfies and unemployed youtubers shooting videos mfrs LOL.

A month there would be great! I'm sure you've already looked into it but like a lot of Latin America, airfares are ridiculously cheap once in that country to explore (unlike here in the states). Would a short trip to Bogota (if you decide Medellin is your base) be on the books. Last time I checked airfares were about $70-90 return.

The altitude in Bogota definitely hit me and I felt it for about the first 2 days. After that I felt mostly fine. While I only got with the 1 girl I didn't notice it affected me in that department. It hit me mostly in walking up hills around town and going up stairs. I'm also on the east coast though and basically at sea level (20 m) to be exact so even on my visits to CDMX the altitude has gotten to me for the 1st day or so. One thing to note is that Viagra can sometimes alleviate altitude sickness and it's sometimes used in mountain climbing (weird fact) so popping a V and fucking may be a good remedy to any altitude sickness you may feel.

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2735783]Thanks for the great report and especially the assurances that there are flaquitas! I'm all for everyone enjoying their tastes and that "phat" asses are currently in fashion. But I love slender, more petite women but with medium to larger breasts in proportion to their bodies.

I'm considering spending a month or more in Colombia this winter. Seems Medellin is more tourist friendly and cosmopolitain but Bogota has hotter girls and more of an active and organized P4 P scene. While I'm in good shape for a guy in my 50's, I'm not sure how I'm going to fare in the higher altitude of Bogota when it comes to fucking. I'm the opposite of a premature ejaculator and really need to get some strong thrusting going to push me over the edge. And that takes cardiovascular fitness! Sounds like the flaquitas are a good motivation to get myself in shape!

Anyone with some pics of the flaquitas?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2736234]I don't see a lot of reports for photoprepagos or other sites. Maybe because they come and go? I saw this chica at an apartment on Sunday. I think she qualifies as flaquita. What do you think? I think maybe 5'2". I did an hour for 100 plus 30 for bbj. Forgot to negotiate going down on her up front.

Another 30 in the moment. Pretty good experience and speaking Spanish would have amped the experience up. I went down on her for like 15 minutes and she was scratching my arms. Much more affectionate after that I'm going to revisit to see if things improve more since it's walking distance. Also a queen bed!

https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/una-morena-sexy-con-nalgas-demasiado-bellas-id-c94gk[/QUOTE]I'll be there in a couple of week. I'll post my test result once I have something to post.

Do you think it is worth inviting them for salidas? Is their attitude getting worst? I have only done it with FB chicas, never with the web-pages prepago.

Thanks very much guys for the additional insights and reports regarding Bogota and Medellin!

I'm thinking that I might spend a week or two in MDE to brush up on my basic spanish and get acclimated to the 5,000' MDE altitude in preparation for BOG.

Then to BOG for a few weeks bouncing around the city to see what area feels right for my overall 9 neighbourhood / feed / accommodations / p4 p scene preferences.

I'm going to go back and sift through RTFF historical posts to get a feel for accommodations etc. And then come back to ask more specific questions.

Thanks again and in advance!

Thank you to everyone who responded to my question about Santa Fe.

I have decided to visit Medellin for a 3rd time in late December and squeeze in Santa Fe during that time as well!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2736855]Thank you to everyone who responded to my question about Santa Fe.

I have decided to visit Medellin for a 3rd time in late December and squeeze in Santa Fe during that time as well!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Hello fellow mongers!

I and my pal arrive in Bogota this Friday evening at 9 PM (our first time in Colombia). We will stay for 3 nights.

I though of taking a cab straight to one of the sex clubs in Santa Fe on / around Calles 15&16 (Firbre, Troy or Paisas).

So that we have a good pussy action on the first evening. Knowing that Santa Fe and that area is not safe and night.

Is it okay to just take a cab to those spots / sex-strip clubs and jump in and out again on a cab after having some pussy?

Then on Saturday and Sunday we planned to explore Santa Fe on 15-16 on foot during the day.

Any tips? Would it be safe to do? If not what would you recommend for the first evening?

I went to several strip clubs in the south on Thursday and its full of girls. There are many that open at 7 p; my best experience was at Texas. What I like especially in this one is that they have the girls stand up every 5 min so we can see them full length; they charge 70000 for half hour; I also went to adrianna and her golosas but only 3 girls and not more than a 4.

Also I would like to know what you guys think about the clubs in santafe. There are many but it seems that Troya is the largest one with most girls to choose from. Second would be venus.

[QUOTE=RubMeister100;2736779]Thanks very much guys for the additional insights and reports regarding Bogota and Medellin!

I'm thinking that I might spend a week or two in MDE to brush up on my basic spanish and get acclimated to the 5,000' MDE altitude in preparation for BOG.

Then to BOG for a few weeks bouncing around the city to see what area feels right for my overall 9 neighbourhood / feed / accommodations / p4 p scene preferences.

I'm going to go back and sift through RTFF historical posts to get a feel for accommodations etc. And then come back to ask more specific questions.

Thanks again and in advance![/QUOTE]This is what I do too: Medellin and then Bogota; however I can feel the lack of oxygen especially at night when I sleep flat.

[QUOTE=ElMoreno92;2735515]True indeed.

Atunes, I found some winners there. TRUE WINNERS that have me waving the white flag of surrender en la cama.[/QUOTE]Which Atunes. There are 2. One is open at 1 pm with few girls. The other one is open late with more girls but not the best compared to Troya imo.

Who told you Santa Fe wasn't safe? If that's really your worry, you should invest in a tour with woodman. Get a membership to this site and send him a PM.

[QUOTE=MongoBongor;2736956]Hello fellow mongers!

I and my pal arrive in Bogota this Friday evening at 9 PM (our first time in Colombia). We will stay for 3 nights.

I though of taking a cab straight to one of the sex clubs in Santa Fe on / around Calles 15&16 (Firbre, Troy or Paisas).

So that we have a good pussy action on the first evening. Knowing that Santa Fe and that area is not safe and night.

Is it okay to just take a cab to those spots / sex-strip clubs and jump in and out again on a cab after having some pussy?

Then on Saturday and Sunday we planned to explore Santa Fe on 15-16 on foot during the day.

Any tips? Would it be safe to do? If not what would you recommend for the first evening?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2737101]Which Atunes. There are 2. One is open at 1 pm with few girls. The other one is open late with more girls but not the best compared to Troya imo.[/QUOTE]Actually, they are 2 different places-- I like Atonis a lot-- Atunes I do not go too much as it is a daytime place but I know has some hot girls. Atonis has newer girls and they charge a bit less.

Atunes and A'tonis. Different clubs. Atunes is the daytime club.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2737101]Which Atunes. There are 2. One is open at 1 pm with few girls. The other one is open late with more girls but not the best compared to Troya imo.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2737092]Also I would like to know what you guys think about the clubs in santafe. There are many but it seems that Troya is the largest one with most girls to choose from. Second would be venus.[/QUOTE]In SF there are 9 clubs. All of the clubs can be good depending on when you go.

There seem to be two differnt groups of clubs. Atonis, Venus, La Casona, Texas and California are similar. You get newer younger girls and less silicone and the lapdances / sessions can be less expensive than the other group-.

I have banged Muchas Chicas in these clubs and some times it gets awkward as I have to pass on a girls I love to bang and bang a new girl, LOL.

The other group is Troya, Fiebre and Paisa-- They have higher end alcohol and you get more older silicone girls with nicer clothes. Not to say that you wasn't find hot ass 18-20 somethings.

Usually on the deader nights the party is at Fiebre and Troya.

Atunes is by itself as it is a daytime club and they do not blast the music. It is more of a daytime brothel-.

Get Here Before You Die!!

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2737092]Also I would like to know what you guys think about the clubs in santafe. There are many but it seems that Troya is the largest one with most girls to choose from. Second would be venus.[/QUOTE]All depends on when you go. I have walked in Troya plenty of nights and there were only 2 or 3 girls.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2736511]I'll be there in a couple of week. I'll post my test result once I have something to post.

Do you think it is worth inviting them for salidas? Is their attitude getting worst? I have only done it with FB chicas, never with the web-pages prepago.[/QUOTE]Not sure yet. Feel free to PM me if you want to grab a beer or something. I'm really liking the area. So far I have been liking going to some of the apartments within walking distance. There's also a pretty good gloryhole / club area near by that have been fun when guys bring their chicas to share. I am using the love motels for ones that I would not feel safe going to their area. It's not only cheaper but it saves me tons of time. So far the girl has had me turn on live location in WhatsApp so she can confirm I am there before getting transport. So in-between messages that are not read too quickly by her and then having to wait in the room, it seems to take an extra 60 to 90 minutes.

Check out the MotelNow app. Gives you tons of places. I couldn't get a booking through it to work so I ended up getting the room in person.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2736220]My favorite flaquita. Love the cinnamon color tone.[/QUOTE]Now she's a winner! Flaquita and an Afro-Colombiana.

[QUOTE=BigButtDetecto;2737101]Which Atunes. There are 2. One is open at 1 pm with few girls. The other one is open late with more girls but not the best compared to Troya imo.[/QUOTE]The daytime joint in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=MongoBongor;2736956]Hello fellow mongers!

I and my pal arrive in Bogota this Friday evening at 9 PM (our first time in Colombia). We will stay for 3 nights.

I though of taking a cab straight to one of the sex clubs in Santa Fe on / around Calles 15&16 (Firbre, Troy or Paisas).

So that we have a good pussy action on the first evening. Knowing that Santa Fe and that area is not safe and night.

Is it okay to just take a cab to those spots / sex-strip clubs and jump in and out again on a cab after having some pussy?

Then on Saturday and Sunday we planned to explore Santa Fe on 15-16 on foot during the day.

Any tips? Would it be safe to do? If not what would you recommend for the first evening?[/QUOTE]Don't sweat it. I have walked to Santa Fe and back from the Bacata building with no issues day or night. A taxi should give you peace of mind if you are worried. Try not to look lost or out of place. Study the layout of the land and get your bearings straight to navigate the streets easily in Santa Fe. Walk with confidence, alert but not fearful.

[QUOTE=MongerHunger;2737456]Don't sweat it. I have walked to Santa Fe and back from the Bacata building with no issues day or night. A taxi should give you peace of mind if you are worried. Try not to look lost or out of place. Study the layout of the land and get your bearings straight to navigate the streets easily in Santa Fe. Walk with confidence, alert but not fearful.[/QUOTE]I will be there in February after Medellin, really looking forward for Santa Fe. I will check Hotel Oceania, Sport and San Francisco to be close to the action.

I have paid for the subscription but I still didn't get it, hopefully I will be able to book a tour with Mr Woodman.

A Massive thanks to this community for the Logistic & Intelligence.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2737881]I will be there in February after Medellin, really looking forward for Santa Fe. I will check Hotel Oceania, Sport and San Francisco to be close to the action.

I have paid for the subscription but I still didn't get it, hopefully I will be able to book a tour with Mr Woodman.

A Massive thanks to this community for the Logistic & Intelligence.[/QUOTE]There are also multiple Airbnb apartment rentals close to the action. I rented one before for only $18 USD per night and about a 10 minute walk away from the action. As I recall, Mr. E also rented there in that building.

Looking forward to the SF tour with woodman. BTW: rate at the airport:

USDCOP: 4000.8% worse than midmarket.

From ATM: 4242.5%.

Sim card at the airport shop after customs: $30 for 10 GB /7 days. I thought I saw it as "USD 30" rather than COP so I skipped. If I am mistaken, and it was COP 30 k, then ii guess its a reasonable markup for the convenience. If not, going to a phone shop yields much lower rates.

Looking forward to the SF tour with woodman.

BTW: exch rate at the airport:

USDCOP: 4000. :8% worse than midmarket.

From ATM: 4242. :5%.

Sim card at the airport shop after customs: $30 for 10 GB /7 days. I thought I saw it as "USD 30" rather than COP so I skipped. If I am mistaken, and it was COP 30 k, then ii guess its a reasonble markup for the convenience. If not, going to a phone shop yields much lower rates.

Wanted to follow up on this one and find out from you guys that go there regularly or have experience. I have about 4 nights coming up where I can potentially either get down to Bogota or go to my usual Tijuana. Tijuana's main draw is that it has HK and there are probably at least 15+ girls (40+ at nights) no matter what time of day you go but I find the sg scene lacking. Bogota was completely different though than I expected. The sg's were cute with a lot of young, cute, slim girls that ID be interested in. In the evenings I was hoping to then hit the clubs up. I'll be there likely on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday so potentially busy club nights.

I didn't make it into Atunes when there and it seems to be just a day club, secondly I didn't realize it but California looked interesting. I didn't go in there but there were some cute Sg's right outside it which I'm hoping means that same cute, slim non boob job type girls will be inside? I did reports on Paisas and Troya for both days when I went there between 4-7 pm'ish. The lineup of girls in both clubs was small with there only being 2 or 3 in Paisas on one of the days BUT I was there in the late afternoon. When does it start to get busy there and what would be a typical number of girls you could expect to see on a Fri / Sat night at those clubs?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2737195]All depends on when you go. I have walked in Troya plenty of nights and there were only 2 or 3 girls.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure woodman will chime in, but in my limited experience those clubs have double digits on the weekends. A few of them over 20 girls, maybe as many as 30 at Troya. I can't comment much on troya or lido, I only went to both of them one time and on a weeknight. They're expensive but the girls were pretty decent.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2738971]Wanted to follow up on this one and find out from you guys that go there regularly or have experience. I have about 4 nights coming up where I can potentially either get down to Bogota or go to my usual Tijuana. Tijuana's main draw is that it has HK and there are probably at least 15+ girls (40+ at nights) no matter what time of day you go but I find the sg scene lacking. Bogota was completely different though than I expected. The sg's were cute with a lot of young, cute, slim girls that ID be interested in. In the evenings I was hoping to then hit the clubs up. I'll be there likely on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday so potentially busy club nights.

I didn't make it into Atunes when there and it seems to be just a day club, secondly I didn't realize it but California looked interesting. I didn't go in there but there were some cute Sg's right outside it which I'm hoping means that same cute, slim non boob job type girls will be inside? I did reports on Paisas and Troya for both days when I went there between 4-7 pm'ish. The lineup of girls in both clubs was small with there only being 2 or 3 in Paisas on one of the days BUT I was there in the late afternoon. When does it start to get busy there and what would be a typical number of girls you could expect to see on a Fri / Sat night at those clubs?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2738971]Wanted to follow up on this one and find out from you guys that go there regularly or have experience. I have about 4 nights coming up where I can potentially either get down to Bogota or go to my usual Tijuana. Tijuana's main draw is that it has HK and there are probably at least 15+ girls (40+ at nights) no matter what time of day you go but I find the sg scene lacking. Bogota was completely different though than I expected. The sg's were cute with a lot of young, cute, slim girls that ID be interested in. In the evenings I was hoping to then hit the clubs up. I'll be there likely on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday so potentially busy club nights.

I didn't make it into Atunes when there and it seems to be just a day club, secondly I didn't realize it but California looked interesting. I didn't go in there but there were some cute Sg's right outside it which I'm hoping means that same cute, slim non boob job type girls will be inside? I did reports on Paisas and Troya for both days when I went there between 4-7 pm'ish. The lineup of girls in both clubs was small with there only being 2 or 3 in Paisas on one of the days BUT I was there in the late afternoon. When does it start to get busy there and what would be a typical number of girls you could expect to see on a Fri / Sat night at those clubs?[/QUOTE]You need to go later to the clubs like 9 pm-- There are 20-30 girls in those clubs you mentioned.

LoverG-- clear your messages. I cannot answer your PM. Your Message Space is Full!

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2736234]I don't see a lot of reports for photoprepagos or other sites. Maybe because they come and go? I saw this chica at an apartment on Sunday. I think she qualifies as flaquita. What do you think? I think maybe 5'2". I did an hour for 100 plus 30 for bbj. Forgot to negotiate going down on her up front.

Another 30 in the moment. Pretty good experience and speaking Spanish would have amped the experience up. I went down on her for like 15 minutes and she was scratching my arms. Much more affectionate after that I'm going to revisit to see if things improve more since it's walking distance. Also a queen bed!

https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/chapinero/una-morena-sexy-con-nalgas-demasiado-bellas-id-c94gk[/QUOTE]I found plenty of pre paid, SA and on line escorts in Bogota. The Santa Fe scene is hit or miss but if you settle for a street girl, there are lots. Poor quality however. Medellin is better and a lot more expensive.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2738971]Tijuana's main draw is that it has HK and there are probably at least 15+ girls (40+ at nights)[/QUOTE]15 girls? WTF you talking about? Pre-annexation of Chavelas, HK used to regularly have 600 putas on a weekend. Now that they absorbed Las Chevelas and its chicas, and with the west wing expansion, I'd say HK features 900 chicas on a weekend. Weeknights maybe 250 putas. Sante Fe has only one advantage over Tijuana, and that is cost. Putas and drinks cost significantly less in Santa Fe. Tijuana has more chicas, better looking chicas, better food options, safer, and is more accessible for most USA mongers. But there is absolutely no comparison between Santa Fe clubs and Tijuana Clubs. It's like comparing a Maybach to a skateboard. HK by itself outperforms every Bogota club combined. Comfort-wise, the Bogota clubs are on par Hacienda, which is the worst, most disgusting club in Tijuana. And I hate Hong Kong.

Clam, I've seen your posts in the Tijuana section. Not doubting your experience and I Haven't been to HK post COVID so haven't seen the expansion but from everything I'm seeing on this board and other Tijuana boards it's good. I'm specifically looking to travel on the busier club nights of the week. There have been plenty of times during the day on sundays where the lineup in HK has been poor and yes sometimes there's been about 15-20 girls. I'm kinda ballparking it as I don't sit there and literally count the individual girls just as I'm assuming you're ballparking it by saying there's now 900 chicas on the weekend. Many of the chicas are repeats on Thu, Fri & Sat nights and I've never seen the club come anywhere close to 600 girls in a night? Not going to argue over specific numbers as it may be close to 100 but I sure as hell have not seen 600 chicas in 1 night at HK. What are you talking about lmao?

Again, if you read my post I am not looking for HK type girls. Colombia has them as well. I am more into spinner, or young, slim, small tits and ass type girls. HK rarely has this but when they do I scoop them up. Short, petite, young, innocent looking chicas typically started off in Tropical and for a little while Tropical was great. It's since declined with the odd one or two girls appearing. Same in HK, they'll have the odd one or two girls like this and an occasional almost too thin girl but it's not the norm. Those are the girls I like. As far as SG talent, I've been with all the sg's that fit that bill in Tijuana. Karina, Michelle, etc etc. So I'm on the lookout for new options. In addition, HK girls and for that matter most tropical girls start at $100 usd. I got a HK type girl in Troya for I think it was $65 usd which included cumming over her pretty, cute face and mouth. HK I'the be at $100 before even adding the cost of COF or CIM.

Secondly, I know what Tijuana will give me. I've been there numerous times, but like I said I was pleasantly surprised that the sg's in Santa Fe were not all "stereotypical" Colombians with fat butts and major curves. When I was there I saw quite a few girls that fit my cute, young, slim, short look. As noted in my posts as well, I was there on business so had limited time to visit Santa Fe except for early to late afternoons so not the best time to judge clubs by (including Tijuana clubs) but there were a few young girls that fit those exact needs in Paisas one afternoon specifically.

Thirdly, variety is the spice of life. Tijuana's great for a couple of days but after that I need something else to do to pass a few hours post and pre sport fucking. Places like CDMX and Bogota give me that. I can fuck as much as I want but then if I want to break away for a few hours I can sightsee, grab some amazing coffee / food, visit markets, etc. Tijuana doesn't give that unless I go back across the border or travel to the Tijuana beaches (which realistically aren't the best and take too long to get to).

So, again, if you've been to the clubs in Santa Fe then let's stick to the question which has now already been answered but. What's been your experience to the number of girls in the clubs there on a Friday, Saturday night?

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2739198]15 girls? WTF you talking about? Pre-annexation of Chavelas, HK used to regularly have 600 putas on a weekend. Now that they absorbed Las Chevelas and its chicas, and with the west wing expansion, I'd say HK features 900 chicas on a weekend. Weeknights maybe 250 putas. Sante Fe has only one advantage over Tijuana, and that is cost. Putas and drinks cost significantly less in Santa Fe. Tijuana has more chicas, better looking chicas, better food options, safer, and is more accessible for most USA mongers. But there is absolutely no comparison between Santa Fe clubs and Tijuana Clubs. It's like comparing a Maybach to a skateboard. HK by itself outperforms every Bogota club combined. Comfort-wise, the Bogota clubs are on par Hacienda, which is the worst, most disgusting club in Tijuana. And I hate Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2739340]Clam, I've seen your posts in the Tijuana section. Not doubting your experience and I Haven't been to HK post COVID so haven't seen the expansion but from everything I'm seeing on this board and other Tijuana boards it's good. I'm specifically looking to travel on the busier club nights of the week. There have been plenty of times during the day on sundays where the lineup in HK has been poor and yes sometimes there's been about 15-20 girls. I'm kinda ballparking it as I don't sit there and literally count the individual girls just as I'm assuming you're ballparking it by saying there's now 900 chicas on the weekend. Many of the chicas are repeats on Thu, Fri & Sat nights and I've never seen the club come anywhere close to 600 girls in a night? Not going to argue over specific numbers as it may be close to 100 but I sure as hell have not seen 600 chicas in 1 night at HK. What are you talking about lmao?

Again, if you read my post I am not looking for HK type girls. Colombia has them as well. I am more into spinner, or young, slim, small tits and ass type girls. HK rarely has this but when they do I scoop them up. Short, petite, young, innocent looking chicas typically started off in Tropical and for a little while Tropical was great. It's since declined with the odd one or two girls appearing. Same in HK, they'll have the odd one or two girls like this and an occasional almost too thin girl but it's not the norm. Those are the girls I like. As far as SG talent, I've been with all the sg's that fit that bill in Tijuana. Karina, Michelle, etc etc. So I'm on the lookout for new options. In addition, HK girls and for that matter most tropical girls start at $100 usd. I got a HK type girl in Troya for I think it was $65 usd which included cumming over her pretty, cute face and mouth. HK I'the be at $100 before even adding the cost of COF or CIM.

Secondly, I know what Tijuana will give me. I've been there numerous times, but like I said I was pleasantly surprised that the sg's in Santa Fe were not all "stereotypical" Colombians with fat butts and major curves. When I was there I saw quite a few girls that fit my cute, young, slim, short look. As noted in my posts as well, I was there on business so had limited time to visit Santa Fe except for early to late afternoons so not the best time to judge clubs by (including Tijuana clubs) but there were a few young girls that fit those exact needs in Paisas one afternoon specifically.

Thirdly, variety is the spice of life. Tijuana's great for a couple of days but after that I need something else to do to pass a few hours post and pre sport fucking. Places like CDMX and Bogota give me that. I can fuck as much as I want but then if I want to break away for a few hours I can sightsee, grab some amazing coffee / food, visit markets, etc. Tijuana doesn't give that unless I go back across the border or travel to the Tijuana beaches (which realistically aren't the best and take too long to get to).

So, again, if you've been to the clubs in Santa Fe then let's stick to the question which has now already been answered but. What's been your experience to the number of girls in the clubs there on a Friday, Saturday night?[/QUOTE]DaVinci, I actually agree with most of your points. Except for the chica count at HK. Pre-Covid, you know how it was. Fri / Sat nights were jam packed, wall to wall putas packed like sardines. HK has a mandatory policy of having chicas dance on the two main bars, two main stages, and the satellite stages. So just there, you have about 15 chicas. Miami room would always have around 25 chicas. 2nd floor north end would have 80 chicas sitting at the tables. South end would have around 50. The mini stairs on the first floor would be flanked on both sides by around 20 chicas. The area around the main stage would have 100 chicas. Alley stage another 80 chicas. Count all the chicas that you can't see, probably at least 75 in the locker rooms changing outfits and fixing their makeup. 30-40 in the bathrooms at at any given time. Probably at least 50 getting fucked in Cascadas. The deadest weekend night would have minimum 400 chicas. Sit upstairs, where the stairs are that lead to the locker rooms. You will see a steady stream of chicas coming down, literally non-stop. I mean, you will literally not see more than 3 seconds pass between chicas for hours and hours. Truly unbelievable! You are correct, my numbers are ballparked because there is no way possible to keep count that high. But it is an intelligent estimate based on my direct observations. You admit that you "ballparked" your estimate as well. But, that kind of defeats your own argument because there is no reason to ballpark a number that low. You can easily keep an accurate count of up to a maximum of 20 chicas. So your contention does not make sense.

Your taste is the same as mine. I go for the clean-looking, innocent-looking skinny natural ones. That's it. Big titted, even natural, doesn't appeal to me. I don't like tatts either but these days it's next to impossible to find a puta who isn't tatted.

And I agree that Bogota is much more economical than Tijuana. Tijuana shares a border with a wealthy American city, and LOS Angeles, San Francisco, Vegas and Phoenix a manageable drive away. The influx of gringo dollars has surely influenced market prices of putas in Tijuana. Bogota, due to its distance, has not been affected by gringo dollars at anywhere near the scale Tijuana has.

Also agreed is how variety is the spice of life. Frankly, I'm burned out by Tijuana and that's why I've been making recent trips to Bogota. If I had been mongering in Bogota for the past 10 years, I'm sure I'd be itching to visit Tijuana.

Street talent I have no interest in so I really have no comment on Santa Fe vs. Tijuana. 10 years ago, SG's were elbow to elbow in ZN and there were some stunners. Lately, it's thinned down quite a bit and looks-wise it's down as well.

As far as comfort of the clubs, I don't think anybody will argue that Santa Fe is even in the same ballpark as Tijuana. The main clubs in Tijuana feature an American level of comfort and amenities. I've been to all the Santa Fe bars and they are all miserable dumps. Even the lower tier Tijuana clubs such as Gold Palace / La Carreta / La Valentina / Dolce Gabbana / Playboy are all considerably nicer than the best Santa Fe clubs. La Hacienda across from MQ is the only Tijuana club shitty enough to be compared to Sante Fe clubs.

I don't even like Mexican food that much but it is still worlds better than Colombian food. You're saying that Bogota has better food than Tijuana? Coffee yes, but the food? No way man! I find it funny that Colombians and Venezuelans argue over which country invented the arepa. It's like, who the fuck wants to take credit for such horrible food? Colombia has arguably the worst food on the planet. The reason why Colombians eat so many hot dogs, ribs, wings, hamburgers and pizza is that their own food sucks ass. You ever seen a Colombian restaurant outside of Colombia? They don't exist because nobody wants to eat that shit.

Bogota is a much bigger city than Tijuana but the reality is, there isn't much to sightsee there. The danger level for gringos in the southern areas like Soacha, Bosa, Cuidad Bolivar is way too high to venture out. Usaquen, Chico Norte, Santa Barbara, North Chapinero, Parque 93 and Cedritos are nice and relatively safe. Considerably nicer than Tijuana I admit. I did see an Cartier boutique in Usaquen which surprised me. But outside of those areas, there is nothing to see in Bogota. Tijuana at least has the beach and Valle de Guadalupe a short drive away.

As far as the Santa Fe clubs on a weekend, I wouldn't know. I have no desire to ever go back there. It's too dangerous and I don't like the vibe there. Tijuana patrons are mostly Americans or normal locals going to drink and have a good time. Santa Fe has a whole different vibe. The clientele, I can just tell, many are violent criminals. I visited a few other clubs in Bogota like Mora Mora and I did not feel such a negative vibe. Felt like Tijuana, just normal guys going out to have a good time drinking. I don't know if you read my previous Bogota TR, but I was actually assaulted inside Fiebre on a Thursday night in late April. An attempted robbery but I managed to escape largely unscathed. So if you go, be extra careful. The Venezuelans there are desperate and just don't give a fuck about harming a foreigner for financial benefit.

[QUOTE=KoalaCola;2738612]Looking forward to the SF tour with woodman.

BTW: exch rate at the airport:

USDCOP: 4000. :8% worse than midmarket.

From ATM: 4242. :5%.

Sim card at the airport shop after customs: $30 for 10 GB /7 days. I thought I saw it as "USD 30" rather than COP so I skipped. If I am mistaken, and it was COP 30 k, then ii guess its a reasonble markup for the convenience. If not, going to a phone shop yields much lower rates.[/QUOTE]Have you got a subscribtion? I paid for mine last week, emailed admin twice and still no answer.

Cheers Gents! How do I request for a tour with Woodman? Please forgive my ignorance if someone already posted about it.

I sent a DM to a user named woodman9 but did not receive a response. Any info here is appreciated.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2739513]Have you got a subscribtion? I paid for mine last week, emailed admin twice and still no answer.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoverG;2739869]Cheers Gents! How do I request for a tour with Woodman? Please forgive my ignorance if someone already posted about it.

I sent a DM to a user named woodman9 but did not receive a response. Any info here is appreciated.[/QUOTE]Your message storage needs clearing. I could not reply to your PM.

I couldn't disagree with you more about Santa Fe. Hot chicas standing in front of every love motel and on every corner. Meseros couldn't be nicer to me, smiles on their faces every time I see them. I've spent almost 20 days in Bogota, I'm here currently. I've been down to Sante Fe both day and night. I've been solo, I've been with my Venezuelan born best friend from America. I've been on Woodmans tour. I haven't felt unsafe for even a moment. There are cops everywhere, there were armed military last night. There's good food at king swarma, there's good food at the bakery on Calle 23, I've had good street food down there too. I've gotten laid from a street girl for as low as $10 and from a club girl for as low as $15. Santa Fe is incredible.

As for the rest of Bogota, where the fuck have you been trying to eat? Who cares if you hate Colombian food, there are incredible restaurants everywhere in this city. Harry Sasson, Cacio & Pepe, La Brasserie, Di Lucca, La Bonga, La Tequeria, WOK, Storia, Astoria rooftop, Andres, home burgers, masa 81, Criterion, Conosur, casa del Rey, La Picaderia, El Tambor, crepes & waffles. If you're not eating some of the best food you've ever had at a fraction of the cost you could get it in the states, you've missed one of the absolute best things Bogota has to offer besides their sex workers. If the girls in Santa fe aren't your speed, maybe try out Lido, the club is nicer than most American strip clubs I've been to, and I've been to maybe 100. The lights are turned up and the music is turned down so that you can chat with the girls. The girls are stunners, dressed elegantly with their hair and make up done up perfect. They're expensive, $75-125 per hour. But so are your Tijuana girls.

It sounds like you've got a perspective issue. I hated Medellin when I was in parque Lleras, it was too Americanized for me personally. So I moved hotels to centro and found exactly what I was looking for in Botero Plaza and the surrounding brothels and strip clubs. I've stayed in 5 different neighborhoods in Bogota on my trip so that I could get multiple perspectives of each area and it's opened my eyes to a lot.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2739507]DaVinci, I actually agree with most of your points. Except for the chica count at HK. Pre-Covid, you know how it was. Fri / Sat nights were jam packed, wall to wall putas packed like sardines. HK has a mandatory policy of having chicas dance on the two main bars, two main stages, and the satellite stages. So just there, you have about 15 chicas. Miami room would always have around 25 chicas. 2nd floor north end would have 80 chicas sitting at the tables. South end would have around 50. The mini stairs on the first floor would be flanked on both sides by around 20 chicas. The area around the main stage would have 100 chicas. Alley stage another 80 chicas. Count all the chicas that you can't see, probably at least 75 in the locker rooms changing outfits and fixing their makeup. 30-40 in the bathrooms at at any given time. Probably at least 50 getting fucked in Cascadas. The deadest weekend night would have minimum 400 chicas. Sit upstairs, where the stairs are that lead to the locker rooms. You will see a steady stream of chicas coming down, literally non-stop. I mean, you will literally not see more than 3 seconds pass between chicas for hours and hours. Truly unbelievable! You are correct, my numbers are ballparked because there is no way possible to keep count that high. But it is an intelligent estimate based on my direct observations. You admit that you "ballparked" your estimate as well. But, that kind of defeats your own argument because there is no reason to ballpark a number that low. You can easily keep an accurate count of up to a maximum of 20 chicas. So your contention does not make sense..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2739943]I couldn't disagree with you more about Santa Fe. Hot chicas standing in front of every love motel and on every corner. Meseros couldn't be nicer to me, smiles on their faces every time I see them. I've spent almost 20 days in Bogota, I'm here currently. I've been down to Sante Fe both day and night. I've been solo, I've been with my Venezuelan born best friend from America. I've been on Woodmans tour. I haven't felt unsafe for even a moment. There are cops everywhere, there were armed military last night. There's good food at king swarma, there's good food at the bakery on Calle 23, I've had good street food down there too. I've gotten laid from a street girl for as low as $10 and from a club girl for as low as $15. Santa Fe is incredible.

As for the rest of Bogota, where the fuck have you been trying to eat? Who cares if you hate Colombian food, there are incredible restaurants everywhere in this city. Harry Sasson, Cacio & Pepe, La Brasserie, Di Lucca, La Bonga, La Tequeria, WOK, Storia, Astoria rooftop, Andres, home burgers, masa 81, Criterion, Conosur, casa del Rey, La Picaderia, El Tambor, crepes & waffles. If you're not eating some of the best food you've ever had at a fraction of the cost you could get it in the states, you've missed one of the absolute best things Bogota has to offer besides their sex workers. If the girls in Santa fe aren't your speed, maybe try out Lido, the club is nicer than most American strip clubs I've been to, and I've been to maybe 100. The lights are turned up and the music is turned down so that you can chat with the girls. The girls are stunners, dressed elegantly with their hair and make up done up perfect. They're expensive, $75-125 per hour. But so are your Tijuana girls.

It sounds like you've got a perspective issue. I hated Medellin when I was in parque Lleras, it was too Americanized for me personally. So I moved hotels to centro and found exactly what I was looking for in Botero Plaza and the surrounding brothels and strip clubs. I've stayed in 5 different neighborhoods in Bogota on my trip so that I could get multiple perspectives of each area and it's opened my eyes to a lot.[/QUOTE]For supper try, Amarte, T-Bone, Ushin, Madison. !

Hello,

Visiting Bogota for 1st time in a few days, wanted to get an advice whether to use your regular international number or get an eSIM for connecting with Chicas?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2739340]Clam, I've seen your posts in the Tijuana section. Not doubting your experience and I Haven't been to HK post COVID so haven't seen the expansion but from everything I'm seeing on this board and other Tijuana boards it's good. I'm specifically looking to travel on the busier club nights of the week. There have been plenty of times during the day on sundays where the lineup in HK has been poor and yes sometimes there's been about 15-20 girls. I'm kinda ballparking it as I don't sit there and literally count the individual girls just as I'm assuming you're ballparking it by saying there's now 900 chicas on the weekend. Many of the chicas are repeats on Thu, Fri & Sat nights and I've never seen the club come anywhere close to 600 girls in a night? Not going to argue over specific numbers as it may be close to 100 but I sure as hell have not seen 600 chicas in 1 night at HK. What are you talking about lmao?

Again, if you read my post I am not looking for HK type girls. Colombia has them as well. I am more into spinner, or young, slim, small tits and ass type girls. HK rarely has this but when they do I scoop them up. Short, petite, young, innocent looking chicas typically started off in Tropical and for a little while Tropical was great. It's since declined with the odd one or two girls appearing. Same in HK, they'll have the odd one or two girls like this and an occasional almost too thin girl but it's not the norm. Those are the girls I like. As far as SG talent, I've been with all the sg's that fit that bill in Tijuana. Karina, Michelle, etc etc. So I'm on the lookout for new options. In addition, HK girls and for that matter most tropical girls start at $100 usd. I got a HK type girl in Troya for I think it was $65 usd which included cumming over her pretty, cute face and mouth. HK I'the be at $100 before even adding the cost of COF or CIM.

Secondly, I know what Tijuana will give me. I've been there numerous times, but like I said I was pleasantly surprised that the sg's in Santa Fe were not all "stereotypical" Colombians with fat butts and major curves. When I was there I saw quite a few girls that fit my cute, young, slim, short look. As noted in my posts as well, I was there on business so had limited time to visit Santa Fe except for early to late afternoons so not the best time to judge clubs by (including Tijuana clubs) but there were a few young girls that fit those exact needs in Paisas one afternoon specifically.

Thirdly, variety is the spice of life. Tijuana's great for a couple of days but after that I need something else to do to pass a few hours post and pre sport fucking. Places like CDMX and Bogota give me that. I can fuck as much as I want but then if I want to break away for a few hours I can sightsee, grab some amazing coffee / food, visit markets, etc. Tijuana doesn't give that unless I go back across the border or travel to the Tijuana beaches (which realistically aren't the best and take too long to get to).

So, again, if you've been to the clubs in Santa Fe then let's stick to the question which has now already been answered but. What's been your experience to the number of girls in the clubs there on a Friday, Saturday night?[/QUOTE]BOG. The costs of the SG's in Santa Fe are dirt cheap. The vibe is horrible. The rooms are mostly filthy. 15 min is standard. Hurry up and finish. Pay more, get more time (maybe) In the clubs the hottest girls (club girls) charge 150 COP +/ Take out costs 200+/- depending on time, girl and destination. Risky. I found 2/3 girls in 6 trips there that I wanted to do. The time spent searching for one was far more than in Tijuana.

I met a lot of SA girls in BOG, all 10's and semi expensive. $600 COP for 2 hours and sometimes dinners after. I would repeat with any of them. Great memories. So the price range is considerable as is the quality of your experience.

SF -Your MMV. If you are used to this area it means you have learned what to expect. Woodman can save you time. Bogota rooms outside of SF are much less expensive than in Tijuana, very nice with tons of choices.

Tijuana –costs to travel are under $100 for a flight or driving. HKTJ rooms and clean rooms nearby are $100/ night unless you go on Monday, Tuesday. SG's as low as $40. Club girls starting at $80 for 15/20 min in a nice, clean room. The short term rooms outside of HKTJ are slightly better than SF.

The VIBE. In Tijuana The ocean is 15 min away. Nicer beaches in Rosarito and south are 20-30 min away. Very nice. Rooms in hktj are very nice. Food nearby is horrible to decent. Away from the zona food is terrific.

Comparatively. BOG is a far better deal on rooms. It might cost you $600 usd for a flight that takes 10-12 hours plus time at airports. Same cost for Medellin unless you live in Miami. So you spend 2 days traveling. Personally I will go to SF and see what is available but I will already check with previous girls or look for new ones on SA or on agency sites before I get on the plane. Those girls will cost $70-$120 for 1 ½ - 2 hours. Most will be hotter than any Tijuana girl. Minimum to justify the trip is a week stay. In the past I stayed for a month and longer.

Medellin is a different world. So many guys visiting now. Not going to write about that here but it was terrific, beautiful city as is Colombia! (and expensive).

Bottom line (for me) going to Tijuana is affordable for 2 nights. I am very picky but the odds are I will find one or 2 girls. Cost a minimum of $600 USD and either leave for USA or head south for the Ocean.

Going to BOG means planning to stay at least 7 nights. Probably 10 so I can visit Medellin also. Airfare $600, plus room $300 +/ plus entertainment. $600 +/- plus meals $250+/- Total minimum trip - $1800. Alas I know I will probably meet a 10 somewhere and that will put me over budget. It is hard to pass up on the most beautiful women you will find anywhere. Then there is the rest of the country.

So (for me) Tijuana cost is 1/3 of Bog. Ambiance is OK and I usually go to the Ocean while I am there (used to live there) the TIME factor to visit BOG sucks but the quality of the WOMEN in Colombia is amazing. You need to treat them nice and see what happens. Unless you are in SF. They are cheap.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2740052]HKTJ rooms and clean rooms nearby are $100/ night unless you go on Monday, Tuesday. SG's as low as $40...quality of the WOMEN in Colombia is amazing.[/QUOTE]I agree with most of your post, but you're paying $40 usd for SG's in Tijuana? Not long ago, they were going for $200 mx ($11 usd.) I can't imagine them raising prices 4 x in such a short amount of time. Also, there were tolerable clean rooms in and near the Zona not too long ago. Rooms at La Carreta were around $25 usd and Hotel Velario currently rents rooms for around $50 usd. SA Bogota has way more attractive women than SA Tijuana, but I think that me be because of the population disparity. Colombian women, in my opinion, are no hotter than any other demographic. I've walked around several plazas in Bogota and was not impressed with the women I saw. Same thing in Medellin. I'd say that Colombian women are actually below average as compared to the rest of the world.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2739943]I couldn't disagree with you more about Santa Fe. Hot chicas standing in front of every love motel and on every corner. Meseros couldn't be nicer to me, smiles on their faces every time I see them.[/QUOTE]As I stated before, I have zero interest in SG's. I haven't even went to take a look at the street talent in SF because I'm just not interested so I don't have anything to say regarding that topic. Colombian meseros, in my limited experience, are far more hospitable than the constantly scamming Tijuana meseros. But I could care less about some dudes being all friendly and smiling at me. It wouldn't be the highlight of my day so I wouldn't report about it on a puta forum.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2739943]As for the rest of Bogota, where the fuck have you been trying to eat? Who cares if you hate Colombian food, there are incredible restaurants everywhere in this city. Harry Sasson, Cacio & Pepe, La Brasserie, Di Lucca, La Bonga, La Tequeria, WOK, Storia, Astoria rooftop, Andres, home burgers, masa 81, Criterion, Conosur, casa del Rey, La Picaderia, El Tambor, crepes & waffles.[/QUOTE]You might as well add McDonald's and KFC to your list. Because when I travel to another continent, part of the pleasure is the experience of immersing myself in the local culture, and cuisine is part of that culture. That's where Bogota fails miserably. The local food just sucks. And traveling 6,000 miles to eat burgers and waffles is not something I find particularly enticing. I imagine all of the restaurants you listed serve non-Colombian food, thus proving my point that Colombian foods sucks ass.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2739943]If the girls in Santa fe aren't your speed, maybe try out Lido, the club is nicer than most American strip clubs I've been to, and I've been to maybe 100. The lights are turned up and the music is turned down so that you can chat with the girls. The girls are stunners, dressed elegantly with their hair and make up done up perfect. They're expensive, $75-125 per hour. But so are your Tijuana girls.[/QUOTE]I've been to Lido several times, along with Loutron down the street. Yes, it is very nice, well lit, and not loud. My type of environment. But the costs are prohibitively expensive. I think an ordinary beer costs $60 k. That's just too much for a 3rd world brothel. I don't like the feeling that I get when I'm getting gouged, and that is exactly what they do to their customers. The girls are okay, certainly better than SF quality. I found one that I would consider and 8. The rest are 6-7. I'm scared to know how much they charge for a chica drink. I usually nurse my beer for an hour then walk back to my hotel at WTC.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740254]I agree with most of your post, but you're paying $40 usd for SG's in Tijuana? Not long ago, they were going for $200 mx ($11 usd.)[/QUOTE]Same here, but remember most guys like to fuck themselves by paying in dollars. You walk up to a chick and ask how much and she says $20. You say I only have pesos and she says 200 pesos (which as you pointed out is half as much as $20). Then you are off to the room. He probably says okay $20, then gets a couple of add ONS which brings it to $40 instead of the 400 pesos ($20) he would be paying if he negotiated in Mexican pesos.

I can't count or rather remember, memories going jaja. How many restaurants I've eaten at. But I think both is true, I need to separate pre and post Covid. The pandemic did a lot of damage to to the restaurant scene. One of the top 5 restaurants in Bogota was Matiz, A fern covered corner restaurant very near my hotel, didn't make it thru Covid another on Calle 97 was a tipico Paisa restaurant, the waitresses were all dressed up like Paisa farm girls and the food was great. Lots of tipico Colombian dishes and they had a top notch Filet Mignon, closed by covid was sold and the place, although they are keeping the same motif, it's a shadow of the original. Finally one of my favorites was Andre's Provence in Usaquéand, again didn't make it thru Coved, was reopen a year later and it was a mess. I don't recommend.

The few I can still recommend are Pajares Salinas, a Espana Tapas restaurant in Chico Norte and very good and pricey. DiLucca's as mentioned in the post above is still good with the trendy Colombians. A fun place with a great reputation and good food is Andres Carne, but not in DC it's up north a bit in Chia. Finally my number one go to is Jacques Pasteleria in Chico Navarra. If your looking for local tipico restaurants there are hundreds, but it may not be your cup of tea. However the international restaurant scene is struggling but slowly coming back. I've taken lots of dates to my favorits and the girls are always impressed. You can't go wrong if you take a hot Colombiana to Andres Carne de res in Chia. Great steaks, hot women everywhere a great place to dance and drink Aguadiente from the bottle on the dance floor. It's like the old saying. "it's what you make of it" Colombia can still be a fun trip if you keep a positive vibe. My 5th trip this year will happen again next month.

Kinda boring TR about my personal experiences in Bogota with very little puta info.

Decided to fly down to Bogota solo in the middle of August, mainly to see this chica I met off SA my previous trip in April. 18, skinny, all natural, right up my alley except has a decent amount of tatts. My last trip we had met up to eat at Crepes. We had corresponded for a couple of weeks before my arrival. I scoured the clearance items at Sephora and Victoria Secret and invested about $25 in gifts that probably looked like I spent $100. Anyhow, she was so delighted she could hardly contain her smile. Poor girl. Anyhow, we hit it off and met up again a couple days later. Went out to eat in Usaquen, then Dollar City, then back to my hotel NH Pavilions Parque 93. Decent hotel, great location at the Parque. I think I paid around $30/ night through Hotwire. Anyway the sex was awkward. It was obvious that she suffered through a traumatic sexual experience. Later I found out that indeed, she was assaulted at a very young age by a relative. Anyhow, my flight was the next morning so I called her an Uber and flew out the next day.

She had been constantly texting me since then. Every morning, the first thing I would do was to read her text. It was obvious that she thought we were novios. She would videocall me with her family right there and make me say Hi to her mom and all. I wasn't really interested in meeting her family but oh well, no harm done. She had been bothering me about visiting again, so almost 4 months after our first meeting, I got on a flight. I arrive in Bogota and the next afternoon, I called an Uber to take me to her apartment which she shared with her mother and brother. It was in the far NW section of Bogota, and with traffic took almost 45 minutes to get there. It was a rather modest apartment in a questionable neighborhood not too far from Plaza Imperial. Bathroom sink had no hot water. There was a huge 25 gallon plastic tub in the shower. Maybe they fill it and use one of those metal plug-in stick heaters to shower. Some other relatives are over, so I meet them all. She says her grandma needs shoes, so the three of us grab a Didi to the mall and get grandma shoes. Grandma picks out a pair of tenis, then asks the price. My chica tells her $131 k and Grandma is immediately like "no, no!" My chica shows them to me and tells me the price. What am I going to say? So I approve and as soon as I sign the credit card receipt, Grandma instantly gives me a hug and kiss. She was genuinely very grateful. We head back to her apt and an hour later she wants to go eat. 8 of us total. Nice dinner, I pick up the $370 k tab. After dinner, I'm about to call an Uber to take me to my hotel in Chico Norte and her mom simply would not let me go. She was insisting that I stay the night with her daughter. She was quite firm about it so I had no choice.

Next day we grab an Uber to the hotel. She wants to go out and eat with her family. This time there's 9 of us. We get to the restaurant and her family is having no mercy on the tab. They are ordering everything in sight. Even the kids are ordering two entrees in probably the most expensive restaurant they've ever been to. The foreigner picks up the tab $770 k. At this point I'm not too pleased with being a walking ATM machine. Next, they want to go Play Land. Another $200 k to reload the game card. And I'm paying double Ubers because there's 9 of us. At this point I've just about had enough. $330 usd I've blown on her family in 2 days. Not to mention $500 usd in gifts I had brought which probably looked like $1500 usd because I bargain hunt at Ross and Marshalls. We go back to her apt for a bit and then back to the hotel. She's on the rag. I'm irritated to begin with. We argue and she leaves. So that's that. I fire up Tinder and SA. Tinder is kinda a lost cause. I got like 50 likes in a day, but no matches. SA is just out of control. 120 likes and 40 messages in two days. So I got options. I've got 7 more days in Bogota with no chica so I got to get to work.

Honestly I don't remember what I did for the next couple days. I'd walk to the McDonald's in Parque 93 every night to eat dinner because I hate Colombian food. Late night I'd park my ass at a stool at BBC but no luck with the civies there. Out of desperation, I agree to meet an SA chica for dinner at Titan Plaza. She initially resisted saying she had no money. I told her of course, no problem picking up the tab. Finally she relented and we met up. 20 years old, looks white, speaks a little English, cute, quirky but not my type. Had a nice meal and went to movie. Very nice girl, not a hint of puta in her. After the movie, walked around the mall for a bit. Then called her a Didi and went back to hotel solo.

At this point, I only had two nights left in Bogota and still hadn't gotten laid. The second SA chica was way too wholesome and I knew she wasn't going to put out so soon so I had to find alternatives. I hit up mileroticos. Found a white-looking blonde that struck my fancy. Went by the name Michele. Her ad can easily be found still. Pics wearing red lingerie. Thin, large see-cups, couple small tattoos. She's actually Venezuelan and has a 4 why / o there but damage is minimal. $90 k for hh and $50 k BBBJ upgrade. I get in Uber and say I'm on my way. She replies back quickly saying "OK." I get there 10 minutes later and she won't respond. I walk down to a little cafe and order an agua gaseosa. Finally, about 40 minutes after I arrived, she answers and I head back over. It's a rather large house in Polo Club not far from Parque el Virrey. So I ring the bell and this dude answers, he says hold on to go confirm with Michele. A minute later, he lets me in and directs me upstairs. There's around 6 bedrooms, and I knock on the one that the guy directs me to. Michele answers and lets me in. She's very hot, accurately represented in her pics, but does appear worn. So we have what I'd describe as a glorified SG session (even though I've never touched a SG in my life) except she got fully naked and let me change positions as I pleased. Lots of rules. No this, no that, don't touch this, wouldn't fully spread her legs, etc. But her attitude wasn't cold though. Afterwards, we chatted a bit. She actually asked questions and listened like she was interested. She told me there's like 6 other putas that work in that house, but they're all older except for one who is equally hot named Khloe. She has black hair and slightly thicker but still smoking hot. I plan to take her for a spin my next visit to Bogota. So I get Michelle's personal WhatsApp and she asks me to text her so she could have my number. Might have been a mistake because 3 days later she hit me up saying she had a medical emergency. Being the hardcore seasoned monger that I am, I immediately dismissed her pleas without a second thought. 6 days later she hits me up again. I tell her I'm in USA And she says ok without any further pleas for help.

So after my session with Michele, I had a second date with the 2nd SA chica. We go eat at her favorite restaurant in Usaquen. Food was below average but she apparently liked it. Then we go walking around some centro commercial in Santa Barbara. Actually kind nice. My flight was at 2 am so we had some time to kill. Grab a Starbucks and just walk around. We go inside a grocery store and she starts looking at a paperback. I ask her if she likes that book and I could see her eyes light up. So I offer to buy it for her and she's like "no. " I insist and she relents. $51 k. She's like almost giddy over a $12 usd book. We order an InDriver, I get dropped off at my hotel and she goes home. Later that night I go to catch my flight to CDMX and she's constantly texting. To this day she's constantly texting me. Not the slightest hint of wanting any money. I dunno. She's practically begging to be novios but she's not my type. We'll see what happens. SA #1 is back to texting me every day. I've been wiring her small amounts the past 4 months, $35-$120 usd, almost $1000 usd total. Sometimes she would ask for it, saying she wanted to buy clothes, or sometimes bills or pay for school. Other times, I would just send a few bucks unsolicited, to take her mom out to eat for Mother's Day or whatever. I think she's started to miss that $225 usd / month, which is pretty substantial for an 18 year old in Bogota. She's sweet though, and brutally honest. And I feel bad because of the trauma she had to endure. Plus she suffers from a medical condition that greatly limits prospects in life.

Anyhow, I actually had one InDriver tell me to pay him while inside the car because the cops will fine him / impound his vehicle because ridesharing is illegal. This is why some of you pass on false info about ridesharing being illegal, because the local population which has a 2nd grade education believes it. But come on guys, with a Western education and an ounce of common sense you would know that no way in hell could you operate a business that big illegally. No way on Earth it is possible to run a multi trillion peso industry illegally without the government finding out about it and cutting access to its servers. I believe that the cops tell rideshare drivers that their work is illegal, in hopes of being offered a large bribe in order to avoid their car being impounded. And the drivers believe it because it is such a common tactic. Perhaps some who refuse to bribe actually get their car impounded, but not solely for being a rideshare. The cops tack on bullshit charges in order to justify the impound.

Lastly, some financial info that may be of benefit to some. The casas de cambio at the airport all suck. During my trip, interbank was around 4400/1. The casa at BOG baggage claim was offering 4000. There were a couple of casas outside baggage claim and they were at 4000 and 3550. There is a casa de cambio in Chico Norte, across from Escuela Militar Granada, where all the bank towers are. I had been changing money there for $4000-$4100. Right outside Parque 93 there is a tall office tower. On the first floor there are a handful of casa de cambios. I got 4130 there the same day the Granada cambio offered $4000. Still a ripoff but not as bad as the airport. Also, when I paid for dinner tab was $370 k. I paid with my credit card and was offered to charge in pesos or $90 dls. I quickly whipped out my phone calculator to crunch the numbers but there is some sort of time limit. After a few seconds, the machine automatically chose dollars for me. And I know why, because their conversation rate is a ripoff, just like the offered conversion rates at ATMs. Had I chose pesos, I would have been charged $80 dls by my bank. So I got ripped off $10 on what should have been an $80 usd transactions. That's 12.5% which is quite steep. So any time you are offered pesos or dollars on a credit card transaction, always choose pesos.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2740052]BOG. The costs of the SG's in Santa Fe are dirt cheap. The vibe is horrible. The rooms are mostly filthy. 15 min is standard. Hurry up and finish. Pay more, get more time (maybe) In the clubs the hottest girls (club girls) charge 150 COP +/ Take out costs 200+/- depending on time, girl and destination. Risky. I found 2/3 girls in 6 trips there that I wanted to do. The time spent searching for one was far more than in Tijuana.

I met a lot of SA girls in BOG, all 10's and semi expensive. $600 COP for 2 hours and sometimes dinners after. I would repeat with any of them. Great memories. So the price range is considerable as is the quality of your experience.

SF -Your MMV. If you are used to this area it means you have learned what to expect. Woodman can save you time. Bogota rooms outside of SF are much less expensive than in Tijuana, very nice with tons of choices.

Tijuana costs to travel are under $100 for a flight or driving. HKTJ rooms and clean rooms nearby are $100/ night unless you go on Monday, Tuesday. SG's as low as $40. Club girls starting at $80 for 15/20 min in a nice, clean room. The short term rooms outside of HKTJ are slightly better than SF.

The VIBE. In Tijuana The ocean is 15 min away. Nicer beaches in Rosarito and south are 20-30 min away. Very nice. Rooms in hktj are very nice. Food nearby is horrible to decent. Away from the zona food is terrific..[/QUOTE]Very interesting report, I am not sure I agree with everything. I do think if you want to get by cheap in Mexico there are many options. I do think Colombia is cheaper, the rest I am not sure about. I prefer MTY, GDL CDMX and Tijuana. Bogota does sound cool.

In Troya girls cost 150 mil COP for a quick fuck in the club.

How much does it cost to take them out? At least on average?

How much girls in Lido usually cost to fuck? The one that I chose told me 300 $ to fuck her in the club for 1 hour and same 300 $ to take her to my hotel and fuck all night. I took her to my hotel obviously, because I really liked the girl, but I think I overpaid *a lot*. I even had to pay her 150 $ to fuck her the second time. For next time I want to know how much girls in Lido cost. Reasonably.

How does WoodMans tour look like, how long does it last and how much does it cost?

Does Troya club have the same variety of girls on a weekday as on Saturday (we were there on Saturday and it was amazing), or or it's the same number of amazing girls in Troya through the week?

My first time in Bogota was great. I want the next time to be amazing, thus the questions.

Appreciate the answers, fellow mongers!

Was in Chapinero on business when the mighty itch summoned me.

I RTFF'the like a good little monger and coupled it with some clever googling and find a few casas.

I repeated one in Chapinero called Divas Spa. But really it has no name. The area is a little shady for Chapinero so be careful!

So, first I banged a positively luscious Venezuelan named Becca. She was hot but demanding. Damage was 300 k for 2 shots and BBBJ. I know I know, I overpaid but I was horny AF.

I came back the next day and going a Colombian. She was really sweet and really wanted to please but didn't know how to do it. Let's just say she fulfilled my carnal fantasies. I paid her 200 k for the hour.

I would repeat. Good luck, colleagues!

If you know and love any casas, please chime in.

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[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740490]Kinda boring TR about my personal experiences in Bogota with very little puta info.

Decided to fly down to Bogota solo in the middle of August, mainly to see this chica I met off SA my previous trip in April. 18, skinny, all natural, right up my alley except has a decent amount of tatts. My last trip we had met up to eat at Crepes. We had corresponded for a couple of weeks before my arrival. I scoured the clearance items at Sephora and Victoria Secret and invested about $25 in gifts that probably looked like I spent $100. Anyhow, she was so delighted she could hardly contain her smile. Poor girl. Anyhow, we hit it off and met up again a couple days later. Went out to eat in Usaquen, then Dollar City, then back to my hotel NH Pavilions Parque 93. Decent hotel, great location at the Parque. I think I paid around $30/ night through Hotwire. Anyway the sex was awkward. It was obvious that she suffered through a traumatic sexual experience. Later I found out that indeed, she was assaulted at a very young age by a relative. Anyhow, my flight was the next morning so I called her an Uber and flew out the next day.

She had been constantly texting me since then. Every morning, the first thing I would do was to read her text. It was obvious that she thought we were novios. She would videocall me with her family right there and make me say Hi to her mom and all. I wasn't really interested in meeting her family but oh well, no harm done. She had been bothering me about visiting again, so almost 4 months after our first meeting, I got on a flight. I arrive in Bogota and the next afternoon, I called an Uber to take me to her apartment which she shared with her mother and brother. It was in the far NW section of Bogota, and with traffic took almost 45 minutes to get there. It was a rather modest apartment in a questionable neighborhood not too far from Plaza Imperial. Bathroom sink had no hot water. There was a huge 25 gallon plastic tub in the shower. Maybe they fill it and use one of those metal plug-in stick heaters to shower. Some other relatives are over, so I meet them all. She says her grandma needs shoes, so the three of us grab a Didi to the mall and get grandma shoes. Grandma picks out a pair of tenis, then asks the price. My chica tells her $131 k and Grandma is immediately like "no, no!" My chica shows them to me and tells me the price. What am I going to say? So I approve and as soon as I sign the credit card receipt, Grandma instantly gives me a hug and kiss. She was genuinely very grateful. We head back to her apt and an hour later she wants to go eat. 8 of us total. Nice dinner, I pick up the $370 k tab. After dinner, I'm about to call an Uber to take me to my hotel in Chico Norte and her mom simply would not let me go. She was insisting that I stay the night with her daughter. She was quite firm about it so I had no choice.

Next day we grab an Uber to the hotel. She wants to go out and eat with her family. This time there's 9 of us. We get to the restaurant and her family is having no mercy on the tab. They are ordering everything in sight. Even the kids are ordering two entrees in probably the most expensive restaurant they've ever been to. The foreigner picks up the tab $770 k. At this point I'm not too pleased with being a walking ATM machine. Next, they want to go Play Land. Another $200 k to reload the game card. And I'm paying double Ubers because there's 9 of us. At this point I've just about had enough. $330 usd I've blown on her family in 2 days. Not to mention $500 usd in gifts I had brought which probably looked like $1500 usd because I bargain hunt at Ross and Marshalls. We go back to her apt for a bit and then back to the hotel. She's on the rag. I'm irritated to begin with. We argue and she leaves. So that's that. I fire up Tinder and SA. Tinder is kinda a lost cause. I got like 50 likes in a day, but no matches. SA is just out of control. 120 likes and 40 messages in two days. So I got options. I've got 7 more days in Bogota with no chica so I got to get to work.

Honestly I don't remember what I did for the next couple days. I'd walk to the McDonald's in Parque 93 every night to eat dinner because I hate Colombian food. Late night I'd park my ass at a stool at BBC but no luck with the civies there. Out of desperation, I agree to meet an SA chica for dinner at Titan Plaza. She initially resisted saying she had no money. I told her of course, no problem picking up the tab. Finally she relented and we met up. 20 years old, looks white, speaks a little English, cute, quirky but not my type. Had a nice meal and went to movie. Very nice girl, not a hint of puta in her. After the movie, walked around the mall for a bit. Then called her a Didi and went back to hotel solo.

At this point, I only had two nights left in Bogota and still hadn't gotten laid. The second SA chica was way too wholesome and I knew she wasn't going to put out so soon so I had to find alternatives. I hit up mileroticos. Found a white-looking blonde that struck my fancy. Went by the name Michele. Her ad can easily be found still. Pics wearing red lingerie. Thin, large see-cups, couple small tattoos. She's actually Venezuelan and has a 4 why / o there but damage is minimal. $90 k for hh and $50 k BBBJ upgrade. I get in Uber and say I'm on my way. She replies back quickly saying "OK." I get there 10 minutes later and she won't respond. I walk down to a little cafe and order an agua gaseosa. Finally, about 40 minutes after I arrived, she answers and I head back over. It's a rather large house in Polo Club not far from Parque el Virrey. So I ring the bell and this dude answers, he says hold on to go confirm with Michele. A minute later, he lets me in and directs me upstairs. There's around 6 bedrooms, and I knock on the one that the guy directs me to. Michele answers and lets me in. She's very hot, accurately represented in her pics, but does appear worn. So we have what I'd describe as a glorified SG session (even though I've never touched a SG in my life) except she got fully naked and let me change positions as I pleased. Lots of rules. No this, no that, don't touch this, wouldn't fully spread her legs, etc. But her attitude wasn't cold though. Afterwards, we chatted a bit. She actually asked questions and listened like she was interested. She told me there's like 6 other putas that work in that house, but they're all older except for one who is equally hot named Khloe. She has black hair and slightly thicker but still smoking hot. I plan to take her for a spin my next visit to Bogota. So I get Michelle's personal WhatsApp and she asks me to text her so she could have my number. Might have been a mistake because 3 days later she hit me up saying she had a medical emergency. Being the hardcore seasoned monger that I am, I immediately dismissed her pleas without a second thought. 6 days later she hits me up again. I tell her I'm in USA And she says ok without any further pleas for help.

So after my session with Michele, I had a second date with the 2nd SA chica. We go eat at her favorite restaurant in Usaquen. Food was below average but she apparently liked it. Then we go walking around some centro commercial in Santa Barbara. Actually kind nice. My flight was at 2 am so we had some time to kill. Grab a Starbucks and just walk around. We go inside a grocery store and she starts looking at a paperback. I ask her if she likes that book and I could see her eyes light up. So I offer to buy it for her and she's like "no. " I insist and she relents. $51 k. She's like almost giddy over a $12 usd book. We order an InDriver, I get dropped off at my hotel and she goes home. Later that night I go to catch my flight to CDMX and she's constantly texting. To this day she's constantly texting me. Not the slightest hint of wanting any money. I dunno. She's practically begging to be novios but she's not my type. We'll see what happens. SA #1 is back to texting me every day. I've been wiring her small amounts the past 4 months, $35-$120 usd, almost $1000 usd total. Sometimes she would ask for it, saying she wanted to buy clothes, or sometimes bills or pay for school. Other times, I would just send a few bucks unsolicited, to take her mom out to eat for Mother's Day or whatever. I think she's started to miss that $225 usd / month, which is pretty substantial for an 18 year old in Bogota. She's sweet though, and brutally honest. And I feel bad because of the trauma she had to endure. Plus she suffers from a medical condition that greatly limits prospects in life.

Anyhow, I actually had one InDriver tell me to pay him while inside the car because the cops will fine him / impound his vehicle because ridesharing is illegal. This is why some of you pass on false info about ridesharing being illegal, because the local population which has a 2nd grade education believes it. But come on guys, with a Western education and an ounce of common sense you would know that no way in hell could you operate a business that big illegally. No way on Earth it is possible to run a multi trillion peso industry illegally without the government finding out about it and cutting access to its servers. I believe that the cops tell rideshare drivers that their work is illegal, in hopes of being offered a large bribe in order to avoid their car being impounded. And the drivers believe it because it is such a common tactic. Perhaps some who refuse to bribe actually get their car impounded, but not solely for being a rideshare. The cops tack on bullshit charges in order to justify the impound.

Lastly, some financial info that may be of benefit to some. The casas de cambio at the airport all suck. During my trip, interbank was around 4400/1. The casa at BOG baggage claim was offering 4000. There were a couple of casas outside baggage claim and they were at 4000 and 3550. There is a casa de cambio in Chico Norte, across from Escuela Militar Granada, where all the bank towers are. I had been changing money there for $4000-$4100. Right outside Parque 93 there is a tall office tower. On the first floor there are a handful of casa de cambios. I got 4130 there the same day the Granada cambio offered $4000. Still a ripoff but not as bad as the airport. Also, when I paid for dinner tab was $370 k. I paid with my credit card and was offered to charge in pesos or $90 dls. I quickly whipped out my phone calculator to crunch the numbers but there is some sort of time limit. After a few seconds, the machine automatically chose dollars for me. And I know why, because their conversation rate is a ripoff, just like the offered conversion rates at ATMs. Had I chose pesos, I would have been charged $80 dls by my bank. So I got ripped off $10 on what should have been an $80 usd transactions. That's 12.5% which is quite steep. So any time you are offered pesos or dollars on a credit card transaction, always choose pesos.[/QUOTE]Whoa. Incredible. Tells me that the non-pro version of extracting money can be even more effective than the pro version. Of course having a family member connected to a rich boyfriend might be a great thing for a lot of families in poorer countries it is rarely so overt. Reminds me of stories from Cuba in the 90's. Of course it is SA, and so I guess the sugar daddy model is alive and well in their minds, as opposed to the short term model we mostly talk about here on this forum.

Thanks for sharing all of this.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740490]Kinda boring TR about my personal experiences in Bogota with very little puta info.

Decided to fly down to Bogota solo in the middle of August, mainly to see this chica I met off SA my previous trip in April. 18, skinny, all natural, right up my alley except has a decent amount of tatts. My last trip we had met up to eat at Crepes. We had corresponded for a couple of weeks before my arrival. I scoured the clearance items at Sephora and Victoria Secret and invested about $25 in gifts that probably looked like I spent $100. Anyhow, she was so delighted she could hardly contain her smile. Poor girl. Anyhow, we hit it off and met up again a couple days later. Went out to eat in Usaquen, then Dollar City, then back to my hotel NH Pavilions Parque 93. Decent hotel, great location at the Parque. I think I paid around $30/ night through Hotwire. Anyway the sex was awkward. It was obvious that she suffered through a traumatic sexual experience. Later I found out that indeed, she was assaulted at a very young age by a relative. Anyhow, my flight was the next morning so I called her an Uber and flew out the next day.

She had been constantly texting me since then. Every morning, the first thing I would do was to read her text. It was obvious that she thought we were novios. She would videocall me with her family right there and make me say Hi to her mom and all. I wasn't really interested in meeting her family but oh well, no harm done. She had been bothering me about visiting again, so almost 4 months after our first meeting, I got on a flight. I arrive in Bogota and the next afternoon, I called an Uber to take me to her apartment which she shared with her mother and brother. It was in the far NW section of Bogota, and with traffic took almost 45 minutes to get there. It was a rather modest apartment in a questionable neighborhood not too far from Plaza Imperial. Bathroom sink had no hot water. There was a huge 25 gallon plastic tub in the shower. Maybe they fill it and use one of those metal plug-in stick heaters to shower. Some other relatives are over, so I meet them all. She says her grandma needs shoes, so the three of us grab a Didi to the mall and get grandma shoes. Grandma picks out a pair of tenis, then asks the price. My chica tells her $131 k and Grandma is immediately like "no, no!" My chica shows them to me and tells me the price. What am I going to say? So I approve and as soon as I sign the credit card receipt, Grandma instantly gives me a hug and kiss. She was genuinely very grateful. We head back to her apt and an hour later she wants to go eat. 8 of us total. Nice dinner, I pick up the $370 k tab. After dinner, I'm about to call an Uber to take me to my hotel in Chico Norte and her mom simply would not let me go. She was insisting that I stay the night with her daughter. She was quite firm about it so I had no choice.

Next day we grab an Uber to the hotel. She wants to go out and eat with her family. This time there's 9 of us. We get to the restaurant and her family is having no mercy on the tab. They are ordering everything in sight. Even the kids are ordering two entrees in probably the most expensive restaurant they've ever been to. The foreigner picks up the tab $770 k. At this point I'm not too pleased with being a walking ATM machine. Next, they want to go Play Land. Another $200 k to reload the game card. And I'm paying double Ubers because there's 9 of us. At this point I've just about had enough. $330 usd I've blown on her family in 2 days. Not to mention $500 usd in gifts I had brought which probably looked like $1500 usd because I bargain hunt at Ross and Marshalls. We go back to her apt for a bit and then back to the hotel. She's on the rag. I'm irritated to begin with. We argue and she leaves. So that's that. I fire up Tinder and SA. Tinder is kinda a lost cause. I got like 50 likes in a day, but no matches. SA is just out of control. 120 likes and 40 messages in two days. So I got options. I've got 7 more days in Bogota with no chica so I got to get to work.

Honestly I don't remember what I did for the next couple days. I'd walk to the McDonald's in Parque 93 every night to eat dinner because I hate Colombian food. Late night I'd park my ass at a stool at BBC but no luck with the civies there. Out of desperation, I agree to meet an SA chica for dinner at Titan Plaza. She initially resisted saying she had no money. I told her of course, no problem picking up the tab. Finally she relented and we met up. 20 years old, looks white, speaks a little English, cute, quirky but not my type. Had a nice meal and went to movie. Very nice girl, not a hint of puta in her. After the movie, walked around the mall for a bit. Then called her a Didi and went back to hotel solo.

At this point, I only had two nights left in Bogota and still hadn't gotten laid. The second SA chica was way too wholesome and I knew she wasn't going to put out so soon so I had to find alternatives. I hit up mileroticos. Found a white-looking blonde that struck my fancy. Went by the name Michele. Her ad can easily be found still. Pics wearing red lingerie. Thin, large see-cups, couple small tattoos. She's actually Venezuelan and has a 4 why / o there but damage is minimal. $90 k for hh and $50 k BBBJ upgrade. I get in Uber and say I'm on my way. She replies back quickly saying "OK." I get there 10 minutes later and she won't respond. I walk down to a little cafe and order an agua gaseosa. Finally, about 40 minutes after I arrived, she answers and I head back over. It's a rather large house in Polo Club not far from Parque el Virrey. So I ring the bell and this dude answers, he says hold on to go confirm with Michele. A minute later, he lets me in and directs me upstairs. There's around 6 bedrooms, and I knock on the one that the guy directs me to. Michele answers and lets me in. She's very hot, accurately represented in her pics, but does appear worn. So we have what I'd describe as a glorified SG session (even though I've never touched a SG in my life) except she got fully naked and let me change positions as I pleased. Lots of rules. No this, no that, don't touch this, wouldn't fully spread her legs, etc. But her attitude wasn't cold though. Afterwards, we chatted a bit. She actually asked questions and listened like she was interested. She told me there's like 6 other putas that work in that house, but they're all older except for one who is equally hot named Khloe. She has black hair and slightly thicker but still smoking hot. I plan to take her for a spin my next visit to Bogota. So I get Michelle's personal WhatsApp and she asks me to text her so she could have my number. Might have been a mistake because 3 days later she hit me up saying she had a medical emergency. Being the hardcore seasoned monger that I am, I immediately dismissed her pleas without a second thought. 6 days later she hits me up again. I tell her I'm in USA And she says ok without any further pleas for help.

So after my session with Michele, I had a second date with the 2nd SA chica. We go eat at her favorite restaurant in Usaquen. Food was below average but she apparently liked it. Then we go walking around some centro commercial in Santa Barbara. Actually kind nice. My flight was at 2 am so we had some time to kill. Grab a Starbucks and just walk around. We go inside a grocery store and she starts looking at a paperback. I ask her if she likes that book and I could see her eyes light up. So I offer to buy it for her and she's like "no. " I insist and she relents. $51 k. She's like almost giddy over a $12 usd book. We order an InDriver, I get dropped off at my hotel and she goes home. Later that night I go to catch my flight to CDMX and she's constantly texting. To this day she's constantly texting me. Not the slightest hint of wanting any money. I dunno. She's practically begging to be novios but she's not my type. We'll see what happens. SA #1 is back to texting me every day. I've been wiring her small amounts the past 4 months, $35-$120 usd, almost $1000 usd total. Sometimes she would ask for it, saying she wanted to buy clothes, or sometimes bills or pay for school. Other times, I would just send a few bucks unsolicited, to take her mom out to eat for Mother's Day or whatever. I think she's started to miss that $225 usd / month, which is pretty substantial for an 18 year old in Bogota. She's sweet though, and brutally honest. And I feel bad because of the trauma she had to endure. Plus she suffers from a medical condition that greatly limits prospects in life.

Anyhow, I actually had one InDriver tell me to pay him while inside the car because the cops will fine him / impound his vehicle because ridesharing is illegal. This is why some of you pass on false info about ridesharing being illegal, because the local population which has a 2nd grade education believes it. But come on guys, with a Western education and an ounce of common sense you would know that no way in hell could you operate a business that big illegally. No way on Earth it is possible to run a multi trillion peso industry illegally without the government finding out about it and cutting access to its servers. I believe that the cops tell rideshare drivers that their work is illegal, in hopes of being offered a large bribe in order to avoid their car being impounded. And the drivers believe it because it is such a common tactic. Perhaps some who refuse to bribe actually get their car impounded, but not solely for being a rideshare. The cops tack on bullshit charges in order to justify the impound.

Lastly, some financial info that may be of benefit to some. The casas de cambio at the airport all suck. During my trip, interbank was around 4400/1. The casa at BOG baggage claim was offering 4000. There were a couple of casas outside baggage claim and they were at 4000 and 3550. There is a casa de cambio in Chico Norte, across from Escuela Militar Granada, where all the bank towers are. I had been changing money there for $4000-$4100. Right outside Parque 93 there is a tall office tower. On the first floor there are a handful of casa de cambios. I got 4130 there the same day the Granada cambio offered $4000. Still a ripoff but not as bad as the airport. Also, when I paid for dinner tab was $370 k. I paid with my credit card and was offered to charge in pesos or $90 dls. I quickly whipped out my phone calculator to crunch the numbers but there is some sort of time limit. After a few seconds, the machine automatically chose dollars for me. And I know why, because their conversation rate is a ripoff, just like the offered conversion rates at ATMs. Had I chose pesos, I would have been charged $80 dls by my bank. So I got ripped off $10 on what should have been an $80 usd transactions. That's 12.5% which is quite steep. So any time you are offered pesos or dollars on a credit card transaction, always choose pesos.[/QUOTE]But a lot of us have been in that situation. We feel special if they invite us into their family etc. But in reality it's all part of the act. If you like her and want to see her again it's important to say NO! Before I got serious with my fiance, I would buy the VS lotions 5 for $30 or perfume on discount in TJ Max ect. It always went over great. First that shit is expensive in Latin America and most of these products are counterfeit. What woman doesn't like a gift? However, Latin women view men in 2 ways, a weak man they can manipulate or the 'el rey' or jefe. One, always pick the restaurant and 2, don't be afraid to say no! Give them a spank on the ass and a kiss on the cheek so they know where they stand. If you don't, they will run over you.

Don't take the emasculated male vibe with you when you leave the states. American women have made an art out of taking the power away from men and it doesn't have to be that way. In latin America you are either the Jefe or the Pendejo. Don't be the latter.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2740730]But a lot of us have been in that situation. We feel special if they invite us into their family etc. But in reality it's all part of the act. If you like her and want to see her again it's important to say NO! Before I got serious with my fiance, I would buy the VS lotions 5 for $30 or perfume on discount in TJ Max ect. It always went over great. First that shit is expensive in Latin America and most of these products are counterfeit. What woman doesn't like a gift? However, Latin women view men in 2 ways, a weak man they can manipulate or the 'el rey' or jefe. One, always pick the restaurant and 2, don't be afraid to say no! Give them a spank on the ass and a kiss on the cheek so they know where they stand. If you don't, they will run over you.

Don't take the emasculated male vibe with you when you leave the states. American women have made an art out of taking the power away from men and it doesn't have to be that way. In latin America you are either the Jefe or the Pendejo. Don't be the latter.[/QUOTE]{ Give them a spank on the ass and a kiss on the cheek } Man you tell it like it is.

It was short work related trip so couldn't explore more but here are my few.

Super easy.

Google for female escort Bogota.

Look for agency.

$150 USD 2 hrs and and then talk to.

Girl if she want to continue privately.

I went to pharmacy and bought viagra (super easy).

[URL]https://geisha.academ[/URL]why / tatiana-escort /.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2740697]I guess the sugar daddy model is alive and well in their minds, as opposed to the short term model we mostly talk about here on this forum.[/QUOTE]Damn sure is. Whenever I meet a chick parading as a non-pro and it turns out she is on that tip I will offer money for a one time session but they get offended. Fucking you one time for money they feel like hookers, but fucking you many times over a longer period for constant money and gifts, well that is somehow different.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740490]There was a huge 25 gallon plastic tub in the shower. Maybe they fill it and use one of those metal plug-in stick heaters to shower.[/QUOTE]Stick heater? LOL. No. That shows how limited your third world experience is. The same as ride sharing is illegal. Things do not work the same in the third world as they do in the first world! There is usually a pot or pitcher in the drum of water and you scoop the water out to pour on to yourself to shower. There is no heating involved no matter how cold it is outside.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740490]Some other relatives are over, so I meet them all. She says her grandma needs shoes,[/QUOTE]What the fuck does grandma's shoes have to do with you? Rule number one: Only go around relatives when it is at the house. Rule number two: never go shopping with a chick.

They knew they had a golden goose on their hands, and the fact that you are still sending money (even unsolicited) shows it.

I guess there are 2 repeated stories you have never read on ISG. One is mine where I went out with a chick in Bogota. She brought her mom and son. I spent 70 K at the burger joint on them being nice. After that we got in a taxi (who was a friend of hers) and she was talking about school supplies that her son needs. He was 20 studying architecture at the university and had a new baby himself. She thought my heart was as big as yours and I would spend my hard earned money on a grown ass man with a kid. Wrong! I had the driver pull over and I got the fuck out. They asked well what about paying the driver. I said you figure it out and I walked off.

The other story is of a board member that was in Exito in Cartagena with a chick and her mom. They filled the cart with shit (even a microwave oven) and when they got to the cashier, they looked over at him to pay for it. He said that he would go to the ATM and he never came back.

The point is to know when you are being used or even better when you are about to be used. That does not seem to be your strong suit. In my mind if there are 8 or 9 mfs gathered to eat, then as the foreigner I should be the guest of honor, not the mf that is feeding everybody. It is easier for 8 folks to chip in to feed 1 person than 1 person to pay for 9 people. How does that even happen? If you were a local boyfriend do you think that shit would happen?

A couple of weeks ago one of my girls in Brazil said we would go each lunch with her mom. We met her mom at a buffet and my girl paid for everything. We walked to the house and when we got there her mom said that next time she would have a cookout for me. To me traveling in foreign lands is about soaking up the local hospitality, not playing Saint Nick and announcing that you have come bearing gifts and to use you as they please.

What you thought would be a boring report has everybody commenting. It was not so boring after all. Anybody can say they found a chick and paid $10 and stuck their dick in. Nothing exciting about that. But it is reports like yours that people can read and enjoy and actually learn from. Great report.

Anyone know a pharmacy that has truvada / PrEP / emtricitabine and Tenofovir?

I've tried a bunch of pharmacies in Chapinero and I got all no s. I tried the supermarket one and they said go to the hospital. Before I try to navigate that, curious if you guys know.

I found this website, but my airbnb doesn't have a door man, so delivery would be a challage.

[URL]https://www.farmalisto.com.co/rx1/36433-truvada-200-300-mg-caja-con-frasco-de-30-tabletas-rx1-rx4-7795367548076.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2740552]Yuge Congrats, you have done the unthinkable.

You have left me speechless.[/QUOTE]Trust me, I'm about as ruthless as they come when it comes to putas. I've had putas threaten me in bars because I show them so little respect. But I admit, young, poor 18 year olds outside of a puta environment I have a soft spot for.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2740730]However, Latin women view men in 2 ways, a weak man they can manipulate or the 'el rey' or jefe. One, always pick the restaurant and 2, don't be afraid to say no! Give them a spank on the ass and a kiss on the cheek so they know where they stand. If you don't, they will run over you. Don't take the emasculated male vibe with you when you leave the states. In Latin America you are either the Jefe or the Pendejo. Don't be the latter.[/QUOTE]Again, this whole Bogota 18 year old non-pro experience is something new to me. I'm well aware of the fact that women can't respect men that are too soft. The first time I met SA #1 one thing I noticed were her shoes. Worn and ugly, not fashionable. Perhaps bought second hand. So as many on this board, I felt sorry for her. Along with the fact that she has a medical condition that severely affects her life. So I decided I wanted to bring a little joy into her life and be more tolerant than I normally would be. A couple weeks after we met, she asked me to bail out a family member who did something stupid. Around $600 k or so. I didn't answer for a day, she kept on asking what's wrong and I finally told her don't ask me to bail out family members. So I guess I'm not a complete pushover. Oh and being relatively new to the Bogota scene, I really don't know any restaurants so I had no choice but to go where she suggested.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2740792]Stick heater? LOL. No. That shows how limited your third world experience is. The same as ride sharing is illegal. Things do not work the same in the third world as they do in the first world! There is usually a pot or pitcher in the drum of water and you scoop the water out to pour on to yourself to shower. There is no heating involved no matter how cold it is outside.[/QUOTE]I've probably logged 100 times as many hours in 3rd world countries in the past 10 years as you have. Trust me, I know 3rd world environments at least as well as you do. In Mexico, in homes with no hot water, they use a metal stick heater. It's a metal coil, about a foot long, and you plug it in. You submerge the metal part into a bucket of water and it heats it up. It actually works pretty well. They cost around $5 usd at any hardware store. I've attached a photo of this fantasy made-up water heater that is never used "no matter how cold it is outside. ".

And about ridesharing in Colombia. No way it's illegal. Again, you think that Uber / Didi / InDriver can give a million rides a day without the government finding out about it? Somehow, the government is just oblivious to all the millions of rides being given? When the feds approach from down the street, does the Uber office turn off the lights and cover their logo with a bedsheet, and it fools the feds into thinking they're closed? What's your reasoning for the feds not cutting access to ridesharing servers if they're operating illegally?

That Exito story actually sounds like something I would have done in Tijuana. I explained above why exactly I was more tolerant with this particular chica. Also, I wanted to immerse myself more and learn about daily Colombian life. So if I had cut her off abruptly, then my learning would have immediately ceased with no other immediate options available. Forgive me for being a pushover in Bogota, but there is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to a whole different environment.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740490]Kinda boring TR about my personal experiences in Bogota with very little puta info.

Decided to fly down to Bogota solo in the middle of August, mainly to see this chica I met off SA my previous trip in April. 18, skinny, all natural, right up my alley except has a decent amount of tatts. My last trip we had met up to eat at Crepes. We had corresponded for a couple of weeks before my arrival. I scoured the clearance items at Sephora and Victoria Secret and invested about $25 in gifts that probably looked like I spent $100. Anyhow, she was so delighted she could hardly contain her smile. Poor girl. Anyhow, we hit it off and met up again a couple days later. Went out to eat in Usaquen, then Dollar City, then back to my hotel NH Pavilions Parque 93. Decent hotel, great location at the Parque. I think I paid around $30/ night through Hotwire. Anyway the sex was awkward. It was obvious that she suffered through a traumatic sexual experience. Later I found out that indeed, she was assaulted at a very young age by a relative. Anyhow, my flight was the next morning so I called her an Uber and flew out the next day.

She had been constantly texting me since then. Every morning, the first thing I would do was to read her text. It was obvious that she thought we were novios. She would videocall me with her family right there and make me say Hi to her mom and all. I wasn't really interested in meeting her family but oh well, no harm done. She had been bothering me about visiting again, so almost 4 months after our first meeting, I got on a flight. I arrive in Bogota and the next afternoon, I called an Uber to take me to her apartment which she shared with her mother and brother. It was in the far NW section of Bogota, and with traffic took almost 45 minutes to get there. It was a rather modest apartment in a questionable neighborhood not too far from Plaza Imperial. Bathroom sink had no hot water. There was a huge 25 gallon plastic tub in the shower. Maybe they fill it and use one of those metal plug-in stick heaters to shower. Some other relatives are over, so I meet them all. She says her grandma needs shoes, so the three of us grab a Didi to the mall and get grandma shoes. Grandma picks out a pair of tenis, then asks the price. My chica tells her $131 k and Grandma is immediately like "no, no!" My chica shows them to me and tells me the price. What am I going to say? So I approve and as soon as I sign the credit card receipt, Grandma instantly gives me a hug and kiss. She was genuinely very grateful. We head back to her apt and an hour later she wants to go eat. 8 of us total. Nice dinner, I pick up the $370 k tab. After dinner, I'm about to call an Uber to take me to my hotel in Chico Norte and her mom simply would not let me go. She was insisting that I stay the night with her daughter. She was quite firm about it so I had no choice.

Next day we grab an Uber to the hotel. She wants to go out and eat with her family. This time there's 9 of us. We get to the restaurant and her family is having no mercy on the tab. They are ordering everything in sight. Even the kids are ordering two entrees in probably the most expensive restaurant they've ever been to. The foreigner picks up the tab $770 k. At this point I'm not too pleased with being a walking ATM machine. Next, they want to go Play Land. Another $200 k to reload the game card. And I'm paying double Ubers because there's 9 of us. At this point I've just about had enough. $330 usd I've blown on her family in 2 days. Not to mention $500 usd in gifts I had brought which probably looked like $1500 usd because I bargain hunt at Ross and Marshalls. We go back to her apt for a bit and then back to the hotel. She's on the rag. I'm irritated to begin with. We argue and she leaves. So that's that. I fire up Tinder and SA. Tinder is kinda a lost cause. I got like 50 likes in a day, but no matches. SA is just out of control. 120 likes and 40 messages in two days. So I got options. I've got 7 more days in Bogota with no chica so I got to get to work.

Honestly I don't remember what I did for the next couple days. I'd walk to the McDonald's in Parque 93 every night to eat dinner because I hate Colombian food. Late night I'd park my ass at a stool at BBC but no luck with the civies there. Out of desperation, I agree to meet an SA chica for dinner at Titan Plaza. She initially resisted saying she had no money. I told her of course, no problem picking up the tab. Finally she relented and we met up. 20 years old, looks white, speaks a little English, cute, quirky but not my type. Had a nice meal and went to movie. Very nice girl, not a hint of puta in her. After the movie, walked around the mall for a bit. Then called her a Didi and went back to hotel solo.

At this point, I only had two nights left in Bogota and still hadn't gotten laid. The second SA chica was way too wholesome and I knew she wasn't going to put out so soon so I had to find alternatives. I hit up mileroticos. Found a white-looking blonde that struck my fancy. Went by the name Michele. Her ad can easily be found still. Pics wearing red lingerie. Thin, large see-cups, couple small tattoos. She's actually Venezuelan and has a 4 why / o there but damage is minimal. $90 k for hh and $50 k BBBJ upgrade. I get in Uber and say I'm on my way. She replies back quickly saying "OK." I get there 10 minutes later and she won't respond. I walk down to a little cafe and order an agua gaseosa. Finally, about 40 minutes after I arrived, she answers and I head back over. It's a rather large house in Polo Club not far from Parque el Virrey. So I ring the bell and this dude answers, he says hold on to go confirm with Michele. A minute later, he lets me in and directs me upstairs. There's around 6 bedrooms, and I knock on the one that the guy directs me to. Michele answers and lets me in. She's very hot, accurately represented in her pics, but does appear worn. So we have what I'd describe as a glorified SG session (even though I've never touched a SG in my life) except she got fully naked and let me change positions as I pleased. Lots of rules. No this, no that, don't touch this, wouldn't fully spread her legs, etc. But her attitude wasn't cold though. Afterwards, we chatted a bit. She actually asked questions and listened like she was interested. She told me there's like 6 other putas that work in that house, but they're all older except for one who is equally hot named Khloe. She has black hair and slightly thicker but still smoking hot. I plan to take her for a spin my next visit to Bogota. So I get Michelle's personal WhatsApp and she asks me to text her so she could have my number. Might have been a mistake because 3 days later she hit me up saying she had a medical emergency. Being the hardcore seasoned monger that I am, I immediately dismissed her pleas without a second thought. 6 days later she hits me up again. I tell her I'm in USA And she says ok without any further pleas for help.

So after my session with Michele, I had a second date with the 2nd SA chica. We go eat at her favorite restaurant in Usaquen. Food was below average but she apparently liked it. Then we go walking around some centro commercial in Santa Barbara. Actually kind nice. My flight was at 2 am so we had some time to kill. Grab a Starbucks and just walk around. We go inside a grocery store and she starts looking at a paperback. I ask her if she likes that book and I could see her eyes light up. So I offer to buy it for her and she's like "no. " I insist and she relents. $51 k. She's like almost giddy over a $12 usd book. We order an InDriver, I get dropped off at my hotel and she goes home. Later that night I go to catch my flight to CDMX and she's constantly texting. To this day she's constantly texting me. Not the slightest hint of wanting any money. I dunno. She's practically begging to be novios but she's not my type. We'll see what happens. SA #1 is back to texting me every day. I've been wiring her small amounts the past 4 months, $35-$120 usd, almost $1000 usd total. Sometimes she would ask for it, saying she wanted to buy clothes, or sometimes bills or pay for school. Other times, I would just send a few bucks unsolicited, to take her mom out to eat for Mother's Day or whatever. I think she's started to miss that $225 usd / month, which is pretty substantial for an 18 year old in Bogota. She's sweet though, and brutally honest. And I feel bad because of the trauma she had to endure. Plus she suffers from a medical condition that greatly limits prospects in life.

Anyhow, I actually had one InDriver tell me to pay him while inside the car because the cops will fine him / impound his vehicle because ridesharing is illegal. This is why some of you pass on false info about ridesharing being illegal, because the local population which has a 2nd grade education believes it. But come on guys, with a Western education and an ounce of common sense you would know that no way in hell could you operate a business that big illegally. No way on Earth it is possible to run a multi trillion peso industry illegally without the government finding out about it and cutting access to its servers. I believe that the cops tell rideshare drivers that their work is illegal, in hopes of being offered a large bribe in order to avoid their car being impounded. And the drivers believe it because it is such a common tactic. Perhaps some who refuse to bribe actually get their car impounded, but not solely for being a rideshare. The cops tack on bullshit charges in order to justify the impound.

Lastly, some financial info that may be of benefit to some. The casas de cambio at the airport all suck. During my trip, interbank was around 4400/1. The casa at BOG baggage claim was offering 4000. There were a couple of casas outside baggage claim and they were at 4000 and 3550. There is a casa de cambio in Chico Norte, across from Escuela Militar Granada, where all the bank towers are. I had been changing money there for $4000-$4100. Right outside Parque 93 there is a tall office tower. On the first floor there are a handful of casa de cambios. I got 4130 there the same day the Granada cambio offered $4000. Still a ripoff but not as bad as the airport. Also, when I paid for dinner tab was $370 k. I paid with my credit card and was offered to charge in pesos or $90 dls. I quickly whipped out my phone calculator to crunch the numbers but there is some sort of time limit. After a few seconds, the machine automatically chose dollars for me. And I know why, because their conversation rate is a ripoff, just like the offered conversion rates at ATMs. Had I chose pesos, I would have been charged $80 dls by my bank. So I got ripped off $10 on what should have been an $80 usd transactions. That's 12.5% which is quite steep. So any time you are offered pesos or dollars on a credit card transaction, always choose pesos.[/QUOTE]I can see why you're so down on Bogota. If you want to be financially dominated, there are professionals who would probably be cheaper.

Given all the excellent food options around Parque 93, if you just stuck to McDonald's your food critic credentials are worthless.

You spent 2 days with a girl, had awkward sex, after giving her expensive (to her) gifts and decided that 1 fuck was worth $1,000 USD (money sent), an additional $500 in gifts and a return visit? To top it off you drop about $500 more feeding and entertaining her family and the closest you got to getting laid was a hug and kiss from grandma.

It gets even worse. You're still in contact with her and seem to be considering opening up your wallet again for her.

1. Unless you're fucking her family there's rarely a reason to be around her family. There's never a reason to take the entire clan to dinner or shopping.

2. If the family invites you to their home, the family should be feeding you. Try it with your friends sometime. Invite a friend over. When he arrives, introduce him to 10 other friends and tell him to take everyone out and pick up the bill.

3. Anything beyond 3 or 4 gifts is a waste of money and usually only 1 or 2 yield better results, particularly for repeat visits. If you spend $25 the first time and $500 the second time, you'll need to drop at least $1,000 the third time. After that, better just buy her a house.

4. Feeling bad for things which you had nothing to do with and no way to prevent is silly. Money won't change the past. If you want to give her money for nothing, don't try to rationalize it.

5. There are simple solutions to the period problem. Back in June I flew my girlfriend to the US for a 6 day visit (from Colombia). When she arrived she informed me she had just started her period. While I'm fine with fucking them bloody, a lot of women are squeamish about it. Simple solution. After a long make-up session I dropped my pants and told her my dick needed a kiss.

Where does the "begging to be novios" thing come from? I've seen it many times from girls I've met. It's a huge red flag. There are 2 different approaches which work.

1. Find a girl who will fuck and fuck repeatedly until you decide she's worth some level of attachment.

2. Find a girl who you enjoy being around. Take your time. Get to know her. Devote a lot of time without sex, just growing together. Once it moves to the sex stage, see if it becomes something more, but don't force it.

If someone who you've barely met starts talking about being novios, treat her the same as a random stranger who asks to borrow your car.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2740779]Damn sure is. Whenever I meet a chick parading as a non-pro and it turns out she is on that tip I will offer money for a one time session but they get offended. Fucking you one time for money they feel like hookers, but fucking you many times over a longer period for constant money and gifts, well that is somehow different.[/QUOTE]Fucking you one time for money they feel like hookers, but fucking you many times over a longer period for constant money and gifts, well that is somehow different.

This sounds like the way most American females operate.

Selling pussy ala carte cheaply is really scummy.

But raping some chump for everything, is called marriage aka winning the "mini powerball".

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740864]
Again, this whole Bogota 18 year old non-pro experience is something new to me. I'm well aware of the fact that women can't respect men that are too soft. The first time I met SA #1 one thing I noticed were her shoes. Worn and ugly, not fashionable. Perhaps bought second hand. So as many on this board, I felt sorry for her. Along with the fact that she has a medical condition that severely affects her life. So I decided I wanted to bring a little joy into her life and be more tolerant than I normally would be. A couple weeks after we met, she asked me to bail out a family member who did something stupid. Around $600 k or so. I didn't answer for a day, she kept on asking what's wrong and I finally told her don't ask me to bail out family members. So I guess I'm not a complete pushover. Oh and being relatively new to the Bogota scene, I really don't know any restaurants so I had no choice but to go where she suggested.

I've probably logged 100 times as many hours in 3rd world countries in the past 10 years as you have. Trust me, I know 3rd world environments at least as well as you do. In Mexico, in homes with no hot water, they use a metal stick heater. It's a metal coil, about a foot long, and you plug it in. You submerge the metal part into a bucket of water and it heats it up. It actually works pretty well. They cost around $5 usd at any hardware store. I've attached a photo of this fantasy made-up water heater that is never used "no matter how cold it is outside. ".


[/QUOTE]It takes a lot of courage to share the fails and do not take all the feedback as it being against you. I know that I had my fair share of being conned in the past and being taken for a ride as well. I can only say that Pride is the biggest reason why this would fall on anyone even with years of experiences. Nowadays I can see the patterns and I would usually put a stop to it before it starts.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2740872]Where does the "begging to be novios" thing come from? I've seen it many times from girls I've met. It's a huge red flag.[/QUOTE]I do not know if it is a red flag, but I like to ask what does being novios entail. What do I have to do and what do you have to do.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2740872]If someone who you've barely met starts talking about being novios, treat her the same as a random stranger who asks to borrow your car.[/QUOTE]Well I can not say that because that is one of my tactics: to claim the chick as my girlfriend. Last couple of days I have been telling this chick that we are novios. She kept saying amigos right up until her pants came off last night. Then after we fucked I said are we still friends. And the usual response: shut up. That is not funny. I say oh yes hell it is.

I have the unique opportunity to spend time in SF and cultivate relationships with SF girls.

For me it's like having real relationships -- LOL.

I have this experience with SGs and CGs. I find a good girl in the clubs or on street and will be banging them a few to many times.

I start banging some new girls and kinda fade on these girls from before and some get really pissed and don't want to bang anymore. Just like IRL.

And if they do they will give me a lame session-- I learned my lesson. If they are acting all pissed off, We have broken up-- It's Over!

SexPat Life Rules!

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2740864]Again, this whole Bogota 18 year old non-pro experience is something new to me. I'm well aware of the fact that women can't respect men that are too soft. The first time I met SA #1 one thing I noticed were her shoes. Worn and ugly, not fashionable. Perhaps bought second hand. So as many on this board, I felt sorry for her. Along with the fact that she has a medical condition that severely affects her life. So I decided I wanted to bring a little joy into her life and be more tolerant than I normally would be. A couple weeks after we met, she asked me to bail out a family member who did something stupid. Around $600 k or so. I didn't answer for a day, she kept on asking what's wrong and I finally told her don't ask me to bail out family members. So I guess I'm not a complete pushover. Oh and being relatively new to the Bogota scene, I really don't know any restaurants so I had no choice but to go where she suggested.[/QUOTE]You have nothing to apologize for with the restaurants. Colombian restaurants have three condiments: ketchup, mustard, and Pepto Bismol.

Yeah, what you did was dumb but I get why you did what you did. It is easy for us to sit here and criticize you but much harder when you are looking at this girl you care about (and you think she cares about you), and you help her out. I get the thought process: trying to be a nice person, helping her out, and maybe score a few points, but you know what you are telling her really? I underpaid for your pussy. That is what you are telling her when you give her gifts.

With seeking, you can get hotter WGs and get bareback a lot more often but just because they are on the site, they are not mostly WGs. That is what they usually are, more picky WGs. I have told guys time and again to not mention money at all if you can help it with seeking women. It was not a plan of mine, but there were times that it just happened, and those were the best times. Guys swear this cannot happen but it happened many times to me. If a gal mentions a price, then she is a WG in SB clothing and treat her like a WG.

On the family front, I met one gal and would not commit to her even though she fucked me bare, was a great gal, asked for no money, and actually made me dinner the first night we met. Thing about her was that I just had the feeling she was spoiled, and the family was looking at me to help out. She wanted to talk like an hour a night though, and I was seeing this new girl and kind of was blowing her off before breaking it off with her. Ironically, before I did, she broke up with me. LOL. I think it was just a ploy though because her sister called me a month later. This gal and I had been to Mexico, and I was going to ask her sister to come with us. Well, the sister called me and asked if I could just buy her a ticket to go to Mexico on her own, and it kind of confirmed for me what I felt. The pseudo GF was not happy about it even after we broke it off, but I was right not to move forward with her.

The men's rights guys are correct in that you cannot buy genuine desire. OTOH, you can show them a good time and be a fun guy so they are more interested in you. So yeah, take them on trips, to fancy dinners you want to go to, to fun shows that you want to go see. If you can get a woman laughing and smiling all the time, it almost does not matter what you look like or how old you are.

I took these three hotties to Cancun that I met from seeking. I paid for tickets to Xcaret, which is kind of an amusement park. Tickets were like $100 apiece. We had a good time, but there is like a 2 hours show at the end of the day about the history of Mexico, and the ending brought tears to their eyes. Again, it is something I wanted to see.

Anyway, we get back to our place, and the women dress up and put on a show for me. One suck and fucks then the other then the other. The women got into each other, and it was real life foursome with three really hot women. The guys who just do WGs never get this kind of a session. When the trip was done, not one asked for money, but I gave them $150 each just for travel emergencies, and we hung out for four days.

Now that I am out of the game I can see clearly what works and what did not. If you pay for good times, you do get a higher level of sex and intimacy than just with a WG while gift giving has a negative return.

And BTW, I always learned more from my failures than successes. What all these all knowing fools do not get is that those negative experiences are what got me to where I am now. Kudos to you for trying to treat a woman like a human being and more than just a pussy. Big thing now is to just say you are not going to do it again. It is just super easy to say it here, and it is super hard when you got some dream girl in front of you.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2740954]It takes a lot of courage to share the fails and do not take all the feedback as it being against you. I know that I had my fair share of being conned in the past and being taken for a ride as well. I can only say that Pride is the biggest reason why this would fall on anyone even with years of experiences. Nowadays I can see the patterns and I would usually put a stop to it before it starts.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the insightful feedback. Yeah, I know things didn't go smoothly for me. But I wrote my story, to the entertainment and benefit of mongers to provide a little insight on one monger's foray into the Bogota semi-pro world. I knew I would take some heat, mostly from a couple of mongers I've humiliated here in the past, who insist that rideshares operate secretly and illegally in Colombia, and the government has no idea rideshares are being given. These couple mongers are hell bent on revenge, and nitpick everything I say. They're so desperate to prove me wrong, just once, but fail every time. Jbee is a classic example. I don't even bother to read whatever drivel he spouts. But it's funny because he feverishly absorbs every word I write and responds to almost every one of my posts. Just obsessed, it's quite pathetic. I'm glad there are intelligent posters here such as LatinaLover and Zeos that can provide feedback and constructive criticism without the attacks. It's unfortunate that there's posters like Marquis here, who attack another poster just for writing a report. These needless attacks make enemies for no reason. And reveal his level of intelligence and maturity.

So right now, I'd like to provide a little more in-depth look at my thought process throughout this ordeal.

MrE stated that he tosses to the curb any chica who hints of wanting money that he feels is undeserved. He mentioned a chica who he ditched merely for mentioning that her 20 year old son needed school supplies. Well, that chica would have to be around 40-45 years old. Let me say this: it is a hell of a lot easier ditching a grown 40 year old woman than it is an 18 year old. Many of you guys read her age as just a number and didn't consider her less-than-mature state of mind. Put yourselves into my situation. Your tolerance would be higher than normal as well because you're dealing with an 18 year old. And even higher because she is afflicted with a lifelong impairment that seriously compromises the quality of her life.

Also consider that I already had a lot invested. Sunk costs you could say. Travel expenses, gifts, etc. At the time, my goal was unlimited GFE sex for the next 7 days. If I had just ditched her earlier than I did, then I would be forfeiting my ultimate goal prematurely. My tolerance for BS was higher because I already had significant sunk costs and the payout, if achieved, would be significant.

Another thing, since I am just starting out in Bogota, I had no backup plan or alternatives. My game is the long game of free unlimited GFE. These relationships take some time to cultivate. Due to time constraints, I knew I wouldn't have time to find and cultivate a new relationship. Another factor which raised my tolerance.

So I spent around $330 usd in two days. If the result would have been unlimited GFE sex for the next 7 days, that would be well worth it. Some of you guys pay up to $100 usd / HR, or $200-$300 for TLN. Which makes $330 usd for TLS (toda la semana) a bargain. So I rolled the dice and stuck around for a while. Well worth the risk. Had she not been on the rag, I would have been rewarded with at least a partial payout. Well worth it, especially if you put a premium on 18 year old ass.

And the second $770 k dinner, there was no possible way I, or any other monger, could have predicted 7/8 guests would order two entrees. It came as a shock to me, listening to them place their orders. And not everyone said "thank you. " I'm still trying to figure out how you order two entrees at a restaurant knowing someone is going to foot the bill. When I go out to eat knowing someone else is paying the check, I order one moderately priced entree and limit myself to one drink. Maybe a shared appetizer and no dessert. But that's just me. I supposed I could have pulled a MrE and excused myself to the bathroom and slipped into a taxi but I had some possessions back at her apt and it would be rather awkward going back to retrieve them.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741053]You have nothing to apologize for with the restaurants. Colombian restaurants have three condiments: ketchup, mustard, and Pepto Bismol.[/QUOTE]LOL. Then they only want to give you a microamount of those. I have to say mucho mucho mucho salsa de BBQ and it is still less than a normal amount. It is impossible to find black pepper at a restaurant. Whenever I ask for it they do not know what the hell I am talking about. I have learned to bring my own condiments when I am traveling.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2741099]I knew I would take some heat, mostly from a couple of mongers I've humiliated here in the past, who insist that rideshares operate secretly and illegally in Colombia, and the government has no idea rideshares are being given. These couple mongers are hell bent on revenge, and nitpick everything I say. They're so desperate to prove me wrong, just once, but fail every time.[/QUOTE]You have not proven that ride sharing is legal. You have only said because you think and feel it can not be illegal that it is legal. You are in the minority, so how about proving yourself right.

Nobody ever said the government did not know about it. Please quote where you saw someone write that. In third world countries there are things that are illegal that are tolerated and there are gray areas. They will not bust you for something today then bust you for that same thing tomorrow. That is what you are failing to understand.

In Thailand the law says that you must wear a helmet when riding a motorbike. 800 people can ride by the police with no helmet on, then when number 801 rides by without a helmet they pull them over and give them a ticket. Just because tons of people are seen doing it with no penalty does not make it legal.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2741099]I appreciate the insightful feedback. Yeah, I know things didn't go smoothly for me. But I wrote my story, to the entertainment and benefit of mongers to provide a little insight on one monger's foray into the Bogota semi-pro world. I knew I would take some heat, mostly from a couple of mongers I've humiliated here in the past, who insist that rideshares operate secretly and illegally in Colombia, and the government has no idea rideshares are being given. These couple mongers are hell bent on revenge, and nitpick everything I say. They're so desperate to prove me wrong, just once, but fail every time. Jbee is a classic example. I don't even bother to read whatever drivel he spouts. But it's funny because he feverishly absorbs every word I write and responds to almost every one of my posts. Just obsessed, it's quite pathetic. I'm glad there are intelligent posters here such as LatinaLover and Zeos that can provide feedback and constructive criticism without the attacks. It's unfortunate that there's posters like Marquis here, who attack another poster just for writing a report. These needless attacks make enemies for no reason. And reveal his level of intelligence and maturity.

So right now, I'd like to provide a little more in-depth look at my thought process throughout this ordeal.

MrE stated that he tosses to the curb any chica who hints of wanting money that he feels is undeserved. He mentioned a chica who he ditched merely for mentioning that her 20 year old son needed school supplies. Well, that chica would have to be around 40-45 years old. Let me say this: it is a hell of a lot easier ditching a grown 40 year old woman than it is an 18 year old. Many of you guys read her age as just a number and didn't consider her less-than-mature state of mind. Put yourselves into my situation. Your tolerance would be higher than normal as well because you're dealing with an 18 year old. And even higher because she is afflicted with a lifelong impairment that seriously compromises the quality of her life.

Also consider that I already had a lot invested. Sunk costs you could say. Travel expenses, gifts, etc. At the time, my goal was unlimited GFE sex for the next 7 days. If I had just ditched her earlier than I did, then I would be forfeiting my ultimate goal prematurely. My tolerance for BS was higher because I already had significant sunk costs and the payout, if achieved, would be significant.

Another thing, since I am just starting out in Bogota, I had no backup plan or alternatives. My game is the long game of free unlimited GFE. These relationships take some time to cultivate. Due to time constraints, I knew I wouldn't have time to find and cultivate a new relationship. Another factor which raised my tolerance.

So I spent around $330 usd in two days. If the result would have been unlimited GFE sex for the next 7 days, that would be well worth it. Some of you guys pay up to $100 usd / HR, or $200-$300 for TLN. Which makes $330 usd for TLS (toda la semana) a bargain. So I rolled the dice and stuck around for a while. Well worth the risk. Had she not been on the rag, I would have been rewarded with at least a partial payout. Well worth it, especially if you put a premium on 18 year old ass.

And the second $770 k dinner, there was no possible way I, or any other monger, could have predicted 7/8 guests would order two entrees. It came as a shock to me, listening to them place their orders. And not everyone said "thank you. " I'm still trying to figure out how you order two entrees at a restaurant knowing someone is going to foot the bill. When I go out to eat knowing someone else is paying the check, I order one moderately priced entree and limit myself to one drink. Maybe a shared appetizer and no dessert. But that's just me. I supposed I could have pulled a MrE and excused myself to the bathroom and slipped into a taxi but I had some possessions back at her apt and it would be rather awkward going back to retrieve them.[/QUOTE]Provide feedback and constructive criticism without the attacks. It's unfortunate that there's posters like Marquis here, who attack another poster just for writing a report. These needless attacks make enemies for no reason. And reveal his level of intelligence and maturity.

OK whereTF did I attack you? But you want to quickly use the word enemy LOL and then you want to impugn my intelligence and maturity LOL.

We don't know your age but I think this post reveals a lot about you.

"And reveal his level of intelligence and maturity?

Me thinks you project too much.

Arent you the monger that just posted in this thread there are 900 putas in HK at one time.

I've been in there a million times and can say your numbers are outrageous.

In addiction to exposing issues with your maturity and intelligence I question your sanity as well.

BTW bro what's with the obsession with that age 18?

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2741099]I knew I would take some heat, mostly from a couple of mongers I've humiliated here in the past, who insist that rideshares operate secretly and illegally in Colombia, and the government has no idea rideshares are being given.[/QUOTE]Cases in point: Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas. But since there are hookers everywhere and even flyers and magazines offering their services, I guess you suppose it must be legal.

Where I am from it is absolutely illegal to have marijuana, but the district attorney has given police instructions to look the other way when someone has weed because they will not prosecute if someone has less than a certain amount, so everywhere you go you can smell illegal marijuana on people. Hard to imagine for you I know.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2741099]And the second $770 k dinner, there was no possible way I, or any other monger, could have predicted 7/8 guests would order two entrees. It came as a shock to me, listening to them place their orders. And not everyone said "thank you. " I'm still trying to figure out how you order two entrees at a restaurant knowing someone is going to foot the bill.[/QUOTE]My guess is because they knew a sucker when they saw one. My motto is if it is for free then it is for me. And I guess they live by the same code.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2740792]In my mind if there are 8 or 9 mfs gathered to eat, then as the foreigner I should be the guest of honor, not the mf that is feeding everybody. It is easier for 8 folks to chip in to feed 1 person than 1 person to pay for 9 people. How does that even happen? If you were a local boyfriend do you think that shit would happen?

To me traveling in foreign lands is about soaking up the local hospitality,[/QUOTE]Down in Peru today and one of my chicks hit me up this morning saying to come to the house at 2 pm for lunch. I get here and there are ribs on the grill. There are 8 people here (including me) and my plate is made first AND I am seated at the head of the table. There are no shoeless grandmothers and no deformed adult teenagers to be seen. I did not need to bring any gifts and all the money that I came with is still in my pocket! (I did take it out of my pocket for 1 second for picture taking purposes though.).

For some reason, this theory seems to persist and feel that the air needs to be cleared so that we can all move on from Uber and rideshares being illegal. They are not. Let me summarize for us all:

1) Taxi companies in Colombia (like the rest of the world) require their drivers to pay a fee for a medallion. The fees go to local / city / state tax revenues. Every country has their own term for this medallion. In Colombia it's called a "Cupo". And just like basically every country, they had not yet modernized their taxi service and it struggled with the advent of rideshares where anyone could become a "taxi driver" without having to pay your local government the "cupo" fees. As an example, a Cupo in Colombia along with the special drivers license required costs $25-50 k USD. Yes, that is correct. $25 to 50 thousand US dollars. It is often more expensive than the car itself and is a huge source of revenue for the government.

2) Rather than modernize their service or reduce the need for a Cupo, Colombia instead chose to sue Uber specifically as it was the largest rideshare company at the time it entered the Colombian market.

3) Uber lost the court case and in December, 2019 the Superintendent of Industry and Commerce, came out and said Uber is now illegal. This is the point that many of these discussions have hovered around. A member of government on December 19th, 2019 said it was illegal.

4) 10 days later, Uber disputed the findings of the court case and initiated legal actions against the Colombian government to protect foreign investments under the free trade agreement between Colombia and the USA (Uber is a Delaware, USA based company).

5) Approximately 1 month later, while the courts had yet to review the case, Uber left Colombia in February 2020. Reports popped up that Transport police were giving rideshare drivers a hard time at the airports and in an attempt to get around it would require someone sit in the front. At the same time Uber dropped their protective status case because. (read number 6).

6) Once Uber had left, they initiated a different agreement to the Uber app and effectively bypassed the ruling given by the court. Uber in Colombia gets around the ruling by now calling itself a "Car and Driver Rental Service". Now, when getting an Uber from your app you are specifically renting a car and driver and that subtle change means you can use Uber as well as the other rideshare apps as they also changed their terms of service. This is how Uber (and the other apps we call rideshares but in Colombia are now called car and driver rentals) are allowed to operate. It is also my understanding.

7) That's it. Uber and other rideshare apps are not illegal in Colombia.

Now go out and ride your Ubers, Didi's, Indriver to your hearts content while down in Colombia and stop fretting that you're going to get arrested.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2741255]Arent you the monger that just posted in this thread there are 900 putas in HK at one time.

I've been in there a million times and can say your numbers are outrageous.[/QUOTE]I have been in HK 1 million times too, but when I saw those numbers I immediately thought well it must be (a lot of) something I am missing, because I have never seen that many chicks there. I think I took this picture on the Illustrious Tomjackin's birthday. This is my female coworker sucking on titties right before me and her went outside and got a 200 peso SW for a threesome.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2739507]you have about 15 chicas. Miami room would always have around 25 chicas. 2nd floor north end would have 80 chicas sitting at the tables. South end would have around 50. The mini stairs on the first floor would be flanked on both sides by around 20 chicas. The area around the main stage would have 100 chicas. Alley stage another 80 chicas. Count all the chicas that you can't see, probably at least 75 in the locker rooms changing outfits and fixing their makeup. 30-40 in the bathrooms at at any given time. Probably at least 50 getting fucked in Cascadas. The deadest weekend night would have minimum 400 chicas.[/QUOTE]And you saw this right before the fire marshall shut the place down for having 10 times as many people that would fit in the building? Is it legal to take photos in HK? It must be since the waiter is posing in this one that I took.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2741325]That's it. Uber and other rideshare apps are not illegal in Colombia.

Now go out and ride your Ubers, Didi's, Indriver to your hearts content while down in Colombia and stop fretting that you're going to get arrested.[/QUOTE]Who talks about getting arrested? So you are saying the drivers are not going to get a fine or their car impounded even though I personally know people this has happened to?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741307]Down in Peru today and one of my chicks hit me up this morning saying to come to the house at 2 pm for lunch. I get here and there are ribs on the grill. There are 8 people here (including me) and my plate is made first AND I am seated at the head of the table. There are no shoeless grandmothers and no deformed adult teenagers to be seen. I did not need to bring any gifts and all the money that I came with is still in my pocket! (I did take it out of my pocket for 1 second for picture taking purposes though.).[/QUOTE]Real men never bend over!!

And you can't fix stoopid bro.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741053]Kudos to you for trying to treat a woman like a human being and more than just a pussy.[/QUOTE]What I do not get is why guys can not find a normal woman to treat like a human being. Why do they always have to do it with a chick they are supposed to be paying in the first place, aka a hooker, sugar baby, or whatever other name you want to give a chick that is not coming over if you do not give her money?

Looks good except for the Inca cola. That's probably one of my least favorite sodas. Period.

It's possible to make real, deep, and lasting friendships in Colombia and throughout Latin America with some time, language skills, and luck. I actually found that many people liked to spend money on me, whether it be buying me drinks or inviting me to parties as a way to show off to their friends and to enhance their social status when I worked in Central America. I remember going to a norteno concert in Honduras and getting bought beers the whole night by random people. I've also made real, lasting friendships / relationships that are not based on this type of showing off including with women who took me out and bought nice gifts for me. Here in Colombia, I'm still building my contacts but I already know several women who are happy to spend time with me and expect nothing from me beyond my company.

I think a lot of people fail and get sucked into abusive walking "cajero" relationships based on their own preconceptions and attitudes. One is that they take the scarcity attitude from here in the US with them to Latin America. There is no scarcity of women in Colombia or Latin America more generally. Probably 70% of the women you meet are single and / or willing to ditch their current boyfriend for a better prospect. Another is this attitude that women are doing you a favor by having sex with you or giving you their attention and need to be compensated in some way. I try to have the attitude that I'm doing them a favor by giving them my time, and attention and by having sex with them. Realizing that there is no scarcity and having a positive attitude about your own self-worth makes it easy to say no when someone tries to exploit you as you realize there are always other options. With that way of thinking its a question of time and a matter of putting yourself out there and time before you find more genuine friendships and relationships.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741307]Down in Peru today and one of my chicks hit me up this morning saying to come to the house at 2 pm for lunch. I get here and there are ribs on the grill. There are 8 people here (including me) and my plate is made first AND I am seated at the head of the table. There are no shoeless grandmothers and no deformed adult teenagers to be seen. I did not need to bring any gifts and all the money that I came with is still in my pocket! (I did take it out of my pocket for 1 second for picture taking purposes though.).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2741344]Looks good except for the Inca cola. That's probably one of my least favorite sodas. Period.

It's possible to make real, deep, and lasting friendships in Colombia and throughout Latin America with some time, language skills, and luck. I actually found that many people liked to spend money on me, whether it be buying me drinks or inviting me to parties as a way to show off to their friends and to enhance their social status when I worked in Central America. I remember going to a norteno concert in Honduras and getting bought beers the whole night by random people. I've also made real, lasting friendships / relationships that are not based on this type of showing off including with women who took me out and bought nice gifts for me. Here in Colombia, I'm still building my contacts but I already know several women who are happy to spend time with me and expect nothing from me beyond my company.

I think a lot of people fail and get sucked into abusive walking "cajero" relationships based on their own preconceptions and attitudes. One is that they take the scarcity attitude from here in the US with them to Latin America. There is no scarcity of women in Colombia or Latin America more generally. Probably 70% of the women you meet are single and / or willing to ditch their current boyfriend for a better prospect. Another is this attitude that women are doing you a favor by having sex with you or giving you their attention and need to be compensated in some way. I try to have the attitude that I'm doing them a favor by giving them my time, and attention and by having sex with them. Realizing that there is no scarcity and having a positive attitude about your own self-worth makes it easy to say no when someone tries to exploit you as you realize there are always other options. With that way of thinking its a question of time and a matter of putting yourself out there and time before you find more genuine friendships and relationships.[/QUOTE]Are you a shrink by any chance? Because this forum sure could use someone that can articulate these matters so succinctly to some here.

Or maybe if you want to make a ton of money you can write being El Jefe in Latin America for dummies / gringos 101.

Oh who am I kidding we all know you can't fix stoopid, they would probably just give the book as another gift to some 3rd world puta LOL.

1) If you fall in love in Latin America, you are falling in love by yourself.

2) Money can't buy you love.

3) and pussy makes you stupid.

A quick story, and I think many of us know of some stories where we fucked up on a trip.

A good friend and wingman of mine, a veteran pilot for a major airline with thousands of layovers throughout Latin America, fell in love with a hot chick who he met in a Terma in Rio. He bought an apartment for her in Santos. Was a great place for him to use a crash pad on layovers and maybe get married. Long story short, he want back to the states and when he returned to Brasil, she the locks changed, had her boyfriend and har whole family living there. The stupid ass put the house in her name so he was shit out off luck. When he confronted her she said and I quote:

"you should have known better, look at you, look at me" nuff said.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2741386]1) If you fall in love in Latin America, you are falling in love by yourself.

2) Money can't buy you love.

3) and pussy makes you stupid.

A quick story, and I think many of us know of some stories where we fucked up on a trip.e

A good friend and wingman of mine, a veteran pilot for a major airline with thousands of layovers throughout Latin America, fell in love with a hot chick who he met in a Terma in Rio. He bought an apartment for her in Santos. Was a great place for him to use a crash pad on layovers and maybe get married. Long story short, he want back to the states and when he returned to Brasil, she the locks changed, had her boyfriend and har whole family living there. The stupid ass put the house in her name so he was shit out off luck. When he confronted her she said and I quote:

"you should have known better, look at you, look at me" nuff said.[/QUOTE]Just today, I had a SA girl whom I had a session from my previous trip asked me if I can spot her some money upfront for her to make rent and she can waive future charges the next time I see her. I simply said I am afraid that I do not do that. Then, also another SA girl was pissed that I never bring her my any presents when she kept hinting for one. My thought was, why should I, you are one of the many. It is a transaction and the ppm that I pay her should be enough. I guessed that she has now blocked me on WhatsApp. Whatever, she is one of the so many that I have in my list.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741264]Cases in point: Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas. But since there are hookers everywhere and even flyers and magazines offering their services, I guess you suppose it must be legal.

Where I am from it is absolutely illegal to have marijuana, but the district attorney has given police instructions to look the other way when someone has weed because they will not prosecute if someone has less than a certain amount, so everywhere you go you can smell illegal marijuana on people. Hard to imagine for you I know.[/QUOTE]You think a multi-billion dollar MNC knowingly operates illegally, gives millions of rides a day, conducts a million transactions a day with Colombian banks, and the Colombian government has no clue what's going on? The stupidity is just off the scale. BTW there are ZERO advertisements in Vegas explicitly advertising prostitution. And certain prosecutors won't prosecute small drug cases because the court system will become overwhelmed. You have no clue on how businesses and the legal system operate. You brag about knowing everything in the 3rd world yet you've never seen a plug-in water heater.

So again, here's the question that you refuse to answer:

If Uber is illegal in Colombia, why doesn't the Colombian government shut down access to its servers? Remove Uber app downloads from Colombian IP addresses? Freeze all Uber's Colombian bank accounts? Issue arrest warrants for Uber's board of directors?

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2741325]For some reason, this theory seems to persist and feel that the air needs to be cleared so that we can all move on from Uber and rideshares being illegal. They are not. Let me summarize for us all:

1) Taxi companies in Colombia (like the rest of the world) require their drivers to pay a fee for a medallion. The fees go to local / city / state tax revenues. Every country has their own term for this medallion. In Colombia it's called a "Cupo". And just like basically every country, they had not yet modernized their taxi service and it struggled with the advent of rideshares where anyone could become a "taxi driver" without having to pay your local government the "cupo" fees. As an example, a Cupo in Colombia along with the special drivers license required costs $25-50 k USD. Yes, that is correct. $25 to 50 thousand US dollars. It is often more expensive than the car itself and is a huge source of revenue for the government.

2) Rather than modernize their service or reduce the need for a Cupo, Colombia instead chose to sue Uber specifically as it was the largest rideshare company at the time it entered the Colombian market.

3) Uber lost the court case and in December, 2019 the Superintendent of Industry and Commerce, came out and said Uber is now illegal. This is the point that many of these discussions have hovered around. A member of government on December 19th, 2019 said it was illegal.

4) 10 days later, Uber disputed the findings of the court case and initiated legal actions against the Colombian government to protect foreign investments under the free trade agreement between Colombia and the USA (Uber is a Delaware, USA based company).

5) Approximately 1 month later, while the courts had yet to review the case, Uber left Colombia in February 2020. Reports popped up that Transport police were giving rideshare drivers a hard time at the airports and in an attempt to get around it would require someone sit in the front. At the same time Uber dropped their protective status case because. (read number 6).

6) Once Uber had left, they initiated a different agreement to the Uber app and effectively bypassed the ruling given by the court. Uber in Colombia gets around the ruling by now calling itself a "Car and Driver Rental Service". Now, when getting an Uber from your app you are specifically renting a car and driver and that subtle change means you can use Uber as well as the other rideshare apps as they also changed their terms of service. This is how Uber (and the other apps we call rideshares but in Colombia are now called car and driver rentals) are allowed to operate. It is also my understanding.

7) That's it. Uber and other rideshare apps are not illegal in Colombia.

Now go out and ride your Ubers, Didi's, Indriver to your hearts content while down in Colombia and stop fretting that you're going to get arrested.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I wrote a couple months ago. Uber was declared illegal for a short while, and then they found a loophole. They technically operate as a car rental company and not rideshare. The car just happens to come with a driver. And they've been legal ever since. I just can't imagine how stupid you have to be to believe that a billion dollar corporation would operate illegally in defiance of government orders. I'm talking single-digit IQ stupid. How can they pay their employees? How can they bank accounts not be frozen? How can their servers not be shut down in an instant? Give a millions of illegal rides every week and the government does nothing to shut them down? The stupidity is just mind-boggling.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741276]My guess is because they knew a sucker when they saw one. My motto is if it is for free then it is for me. And I guess they live by the same code.[/QUOTE]I don't think anyone who believes Uber operates illegally should be judging others as "suckers. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741250]You have not proven that ride sharing is legal. You have only said because you think and feel it can not be illegal that it is legal. You are in the minority, so how about proving yourself right.

Nobody ever said the government did not know about it. Please quote where you saw someone write that. In third world countries there are things that are illegal that are tolerated and there are gray areas. They will not bust you for something today then bust you for that same thing tomorrow. That is what you are failing to understand.

In Thailand the law says that you must wear a helmet when riding a motorbike. 800 people can ride by the police with no helmet on, then when number 801 rides by without a helmet they pull them over and give them a ticket. Just because tons of people are seen doing it with no penalty does not make it legal.[/QUOTE]Well, it is assumed the government does not know about it because they have the power to shut it down. And they have not shut it down. So they must not know about it, right?

Nobody ever said that every illegal act in every country gets arrested and prosecuted. You can get away with minor illegal infractions, especially if you are a single person. You cannot get away with willfully defying a court order if you are a billion dollar MNC with no place to hide. That is something that you cannot grasp because you lack the sense. So after you ignorantly declared yourself the king of 3rd world cold shower knowledge, I taught you a lesson and proved you wrong. So here's another lesson:

Suppose you are in Mexico, and a Mexican with a 2nd grade education tells you "Oxxo has been declared by the Mexican Supreme Court to be illegal. It is now illegal for them to be in business. " Never mind that all their lights are still on. Their doors open. Customers coming in and out buying things. Their vendors are still delivering goods, much of it on credit. Accepting credit card payments through their Mexican bank. Facilitating payments for Izzi and CFE and other utilities. Accepting money transfers through various Mexican banks. Paying their employees. Paying their rent. None of that matters, right? The only thing that matters is that the Mexican with a 2nd grade education said Oxxo is illegal. So to you, it MUST be illegal.

Imagine another scenario, this one using fictitious names to protect the identities of the severely gullible:

SenorAnternacional is at Bogota airport waiting to board his Avianca flight.

A Colombian with 2nd Grade Education: "Hola senor, I want to tell you that the Colombian Supreme Court has declared Avianca Airlines to be illegal. They were ordered to immediately cease all operations last month. They are illegal. ".

But. They are still selling tickets. Their bank is still processing credit card payments. They are still allowing boarding of their flights. They are still taking off and landing every few minutes. None of their flights have been canceled. Their website is still up and running and 100% functional. Their call center is still up and running. They are publishing new scheduled flights daily. They are still paying their employees. They are still hiring and training staff. They are paying their airport fees. Their vendors are still delivering goods. The aviation administration still clears their flights for takeoff. Their insurance company is still insuring them. They are still paying their hotel and other travel partners. There is absolutely NOTHING to indicate that there was a court order to shut down.

SenorInternacional: "I see that Avianca is operating 100% normally, but since a Colombian with a 2nd grade education told me they are illegal, then it must be true. Avianca is illegal! I'm a renegade flyer!

So with Uber, let's examine the facts. Let's count the indicators that would lead you to believe they are legal, and then the indicators that would lead you to believe they are illegal.

First, legal indicators:

1. They are operating 100% normally in Colombia.

2. Colombian and international banks as well as Visa and Mastercard have not severed relations as Uber accepts bank card payments as well as Nequi and DaviPlata.

3. They are paying their employees-their employer identification number is still valid.

4. Uber app is available for download from Colombian Play Store and App Store.

5. Colombian government has not blocked access to Uber servers.

6. They are hiring and training new employees.

7. They are accepting new drivers.

8. Their offices have not been raided by the feds or any other governmental agency.

9. Their insurance company still covers them.

10. Their board of directors are not in Colombian prison for defying a court order.

11. The American government has not revoked Uber's business license, which would surely happen if Uber was knowingly operating illegally in any part of the world.

12. Didi and InDriver have entered the Colombian market. You really think the Colombian government would issue new business permits to an industry that was declared illegal?

13. The taxi industry has partnered with Uber. You can now order UberTaxi in Colombia. So since the taxi companies are an official Uber partner, then the taxi companies must be illegal too, right?

And now, the illegal indicators:

1. Some Colombians with a 2nd grade education told me Uber is illegal.

So there. Might as well be a man and admit you were wrong and apologize. I'll accept and promise to not hold a grudge.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2741401]Just today, I had a SA girl whom I had a session from my previous trip asked me if I can spot her some money upfront for her to make rent and she can waive future charges the next time I see her. I simply said I am afraid that I do not do that. Then, also another SA girl was pissed that I never bring her my any presents when she kept hinting for one. My thought was, why should I, you are one of the many. It is a transaction and the ppm that I pay her should be enough. I guessed that she has now blocked me on WhatsApp. Whatever, she is one of the so many that I have in my list.[/QUOTE]Back when I was using SA and Cupid, I would have lots of these girls asking for money and we had never even met! I always tell them I don't send money, when I see you, of course I'll take care of you. If they ask again I block them. I have to assume if they ask me, they are asking all the men. There is a good portion of SA girls that use the app to groom dozens of guys as their ATM.

I had a few close amigas, who were amazing, great sex, super cute and never even discussed money upfront, they were just thankful for whatever I gave them, never talked about time, just great girlfriend sex. I did send a couple of my special friends a few dollars during the pandemic, they had no food and they all lost their POS jobs. They were the exception.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2741386]1) If you fall in love in Latin America, you are falling in love by yourself.

2) Money can't buy you love.

3) and pussy makes you stupid.

A quick story, and I think many of us know of some stories where we fucked up on a trip.

A good friend and wingman of mine, a veteran pilot for a major airline with thousands of layovers throughout Latin America, fell in love with a hot chick who he met in a Terma in Rio. He bought an apartment for her in Santos. Was a great place for him to use a crash pad on layovers and maybe get married. Long story short, he want back to the states and when he returned to Brasil, she the locks changed, had her boyfriend and har whole family living there. The stupid ass put the house in her name so he was shit out off luck. When he confronted her she said and I quote:

"you should have known better, look at you, look at me" nuff said.[/QUOTE]You fall in love in LA and you fall in love by yourself? Well to be fair isn't that the case all over the planet?

Too many western "men" love and respect "their women" it isn't reciprocal very often.

Well anyone with a brain knows money can't buy love but there are many here that feel that maybe they can't land a "gorgeous wife" in their home country because they aren't "rich" maybe they can use their money to qualify for one in a 3rd world puta hub? LOL ie Mr Elvis.

Pussy makes me stoopid? Nah not me, LOL.

The need for it sometimes gets the best of me.

But I never forget I am the gift to them.

They need me way more than I need them.

Thanks for your recent report, but man, what kind of responses did you expect? Guys here have been hard on you because you let the girl and her family take an advantage of you, totally your fault, not theirs. What was your plan? Fuck her a few times or become her real suggar daddy? If you wanted to just fuck her on your short trips to Bogota, then ppm would be ideal. If your plan was to date her, why spend so much at the very beginning? Let the relationship develop into a stronger one, give it some time, test drive her and then, if she shows lotalty, passion and love, you can start thinking about supporting her, little by little. Do you really think buying shit for her and her family members and wining & dining them will help you immerse into Colombian culture? Lol

Eating at mcdonalds every night is pathetic. There is a shit ton of nice restaurants and cafes around parque 93, any cuisine you crave, you just need to pull out your cellphone and spend 2 minutes of your precious time on google maps.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2741325]For some reason, this theory seems to persist and feel that the air needs to be cleared so that we can all move on from Uber and rideshares being illegal. They are not. Let me summarize for us all:

1) Taxi companies in Colombia (like the rest of the world) require their drivers to pay a fee for a medallion. The fees go to local / city / state tax revenues. Every country has their own term for this medallion. In Colombia it's called a "Cupo". And just like basically every country, they had not yet modernized their taxi service and it struggled with the advent of rideshares where anyone could become a "taxi driver" without having to pay your local government the "cupo" fees. As an example, a Cupo in Colombia along with the special drivers license required costs $25-50 k USD. Yes, that is correct. $25 to 50 thousand US dollars. It is often more expensive than the car itself and is a huge source of revenue for the government.

2) Rather than modernize their service or reduce the need for a Cupo, Colombia instead chose to sue Uber specifically as it was the largest rideshare company at the time it entered the Colombian market.

3) Uber lost the court case and in December, 2019 the Superintendent of Industry and Commerce, came out and said Uber is now illegal. This is the point that many of these discussions have hovered around. A member of government on December 19th, 2019 said it was illegal.

4) 10 days later, Uber disputed the findings of the court case and initiated legal actions against the Colombian government to protect foreign investments under the free trade agreement between Colombia and the USA (Uber is a Delaware, USA based company).

5) Approximately 1 month later, while the courts had yet to review the case, Uber left Colombia in February 2020. Reports popped up that Transport police were giving rideshare drivers a hard time at the airports and in an attempt to get around it would require someone sit in the front. At the same time Uber dropped their protective status case because. (read number 6).

6) Once Uber had left, they initiated a different agreement to the Uber app and effectively bypassed the ruling given by the court. Uber in Colombia gets around the ruling by now calling itself a "Car and Driver Rental Service". Now, when getting an Uber from your app you are specifically renting a car and driver and that subtle change means you can use Uber as well as the other rideshare apps as they also changed their terms of service. This is how Uber (and the other apps we call rideshares but in Colombia are now called car and driver rentals) are allowed to operate. It is also my understanding.

7) That's it. Uber and other rideshare apps are not illegal in Colombia.

Now go out and ride your Ubers, Didi's, Indriver to your hearts content while down in Colombia and stop fretting that you're going to get arrested.[/QUOTE]You are wrong about one thing. The money that taxi drivers pay for a "cupo" is not going to the government, is not paying any taxes and it is not required by Taxi companies to include cars in their associations. The way it works is: the government allocates a number of taxis for a city let's say 100.000 for Bogota. People apply for a license and licenses are given to the first 100.000 people who applied. Then you are the owner of the license. It is just first come first served. That happened of course decades ago.

Now in order for a new taxi to be registered, you need to show papers showing that another taxi was scrapped. This is what they call the "cupo". Because there are so many taxis stolen for parts or in accidents that totaled them, there are always "cupos" available. In fact, the price of those "cupos" has gone down a lot since uber, didi, cabby and other firms are operating in the city. I am not sure how much it should be now but 10 years ago it was close to 80 million. Almost twice as much as the price of a new taxi at that time.

A few years ago, the government of Bogota, trying to get more tax money, wanted to make taxi drivers declare those "cupos" in their tax forms, but this idea never took off. Government at some point also tried to make the "cupos" Illegal but again the idea never took off. It is just money for an intangible asset that is paid between individuals.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741338]What I do not get is why guys can not find a normal woman to treat like a human being. Why do they always have to do it with a chick they are supposed to be paying in the first place, aka a hooker, sugar baby, or whatever other name you want to give a chick that is not coming over if you do not give her money?[/QUOTE]I cannot speak for everyone Mr. E. After my divorce, I did not trust women. My ex was very attractive, church going, and was nice and loving early on and turned into a fucking monster. I was living with a woman who literally wanted me to be unhappy. Then you go to a court room and you are told that your money is not your own and half of the money is hers even if she is sitting on her ass. So what does that tell guys?

IMO you are telling men that prostitutes are a better deal. If you want control over your own money, and you want women who will be nice to you, have sex with you, and care how you feel, you better get a pro, and it is great at first, but slowly, you want more. It is an empty feeling as you hand them money and they fly out the door. So emotionally being a sugar baby was the next best thing. You open yourself up a little more and there is some emotional connection. There are some hurt feelings but not like with a GF or wife. And this is why I gave the compliment. The OP was treating women as human being versus a person just doing a job. That tells me a guy is halfway there.

As far as why I did not do the conventional dating market, the quality between that and the SB market was ridiculous. It would be one thing if I saw guys killing it in the dating market but they were all bitching, and many were very fit and very wealthy guys. This was in the USA, and the expectations of a halfway decent looking woman were through the roof. I told you about the overweight elderly woman who thought we were on a date and how she would not like it if I saw other people if we were dating. And I did not say it but what I wanted to say was, "Honey, I have a sugar baby whose friends compare her to a supermodel waiting for me at home. You think I give a damn about your expectations? You are lucky I am even talking to you. " I was not comfortable in that scene and why would I be. Look at what my supposed value was in it.

Again, I cannot speak for other guys but I mastered using seeking. I was confident using it scoring the type of women I never had been with before. My current gal is an incredibly provocative dancer and among the best looking women I have ever seen. If I talked to a hundred guys in a club where she was dancing, a normal club, a hundred guys would have told me she it out of my league. Yet when I am doing the SB interview, I did not think that at all. I had women in her league as sugar babies and had rejected them. I also knew what worked and did not in SB relationships. Furthermore, in Colombia, what I found on seeking was a lot of women were not there for money. Their friends had been on the site and found men they liked and had dated or even gotten married.

So we are not in the club and I can talk one on one where I am at my best and it is quiet. Unlike the club or some bar, I am not intimidated. I have done this so many times before. I have my list of questions. I am interviewing her. Where am I going to put you? Sugar baby? WG? Straight out rejection? I put her in the SB category and I have said before she asked for nothing but I still put money in her purse after we had sex.

But I needed that last push Mr. E, and you gave it. How about not giving her anything anything and putting her in the GF category? Now I had done this with women who were not that hot or really hot women I knew for a while and was comfortable with but next time I gave her nothing and invited her on a trip and that is where the magic happened. It was clear to me after that that she wanted to be with me and not my money.

The hard part for me was navigating around this reality: you can be miserable and stay married or you can not give a fuck what society thinks and see all the women you want, and I did the latter. For a while, I hid my life then gradually started showing it to people and saw that they really did not care as long as I was happy. What I saw in in the USA were WGs, women who were WGs but liked to pretend like they were not, and women who treated men like dirt. Given those choices, I was like I will stay with the WGs.

A lot is made about machismo in Latin countries but I will say that there seem to be limits put on female behavior whereas in the USA there seemed to be none. It took divorce for my ex and a lot of other women to realize that there were limits to their shitty behaviors.

I get your model Mr. E. It just does not work for me. I do not have the time to spend in Colombia like you do, and the amount you are haggling over is just not that important to me. I think the takeaway is there are high quality women in Colombia unlike in the USA who may just like you for you. If they ask for money, they are a WG and treat them accordingly but try to seek out the ones who do not ask and see what happens. There is a chance they may really like you.

In short, Mr. E, I paid women Mr. E because I did not trust them otherwise, and it is going to take time for a lot of guys to trust women without paying them. You might not get it but fears are not rational.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2741418]So again, here's the question that you refuse to answer:

If Uber is illegal in Colombia, why doesn't the Colombian government shut down access to its servers? Remove Uber app downloads from Colombian IP addresses? Freeze all Uber's Colombian bank accounts? Issue arrest warrants for Uber's board of directors?[/QUOTE]I do not work for the Colombian government so I can not tell you why they do not take more measures to prevent ride-share apps. And even though it is illegal I have read info online that they are still paying taxes. Maybe kind of like those weed shops in the US that are illegal on a federal level, but they are still paying taxes to the federal government, and last I read they could not even deposit that "illegal drug money" into a federally-insured bank. Why doesn't the US federal government shut them down?

Now what you refuse to do is provide proof as to why it is legal. You keep using your first world business reasoning for a third world issue. And in this case it is not compatible.

Once again I talked to a friend in Bogota tonight that drives Uber. She said the apps exist but they are still illegal. What she sent me explains why it is not legal. It is because in order to give a ride to someone for money the car has to be registered with the minister of transportation. This is the cupo that costs an arm and a leg that is being discussed. And we all know that most vehicles that pick someone up when they order a rideshare is someone's personal vehicle. If you are giving someone a ride for money without the cupo then you are operating within an unregulated black market. Uber tries to circumvent this by saying the person that calls up for a ride is actually renting a car and the driver happens to come with it. But the thing she sent me goes on to say that if you are working through these apps you run the risk of being fined, your vehicle impounded, and your license suspended. Or maybe they should just tell the police to chill because ClamSlammer said it was all good.

If you can find any information that contradicts what she or this said, then post it here. And I am not asking for your reasoning, your experience in the first world, or something that sounds like it makes sense to you. Post something that says today Uber is finally legal in Colombia and supporting documents. Because there is tons online as well as drivers that have first hand experience saying that it is not legal, but from what you are saying you (with no hand experience) know better than them.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741673]After my divorce, I did not trust women.[/QUOTE]You did not trust them to do what? I trust a woman just fine to cook me a home cooked meal, but I damn sure would not trust any of them with my ATM card and the PIN. Why would I be inclined to? I guess it is all a matter of perspective and what you want to entrust to them.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741739]You did not trust them to do what? I trust a woman just fine to cook me a home cooked meal, but I damn sure would not trust any of them with my ATM card and the PIN. Why would I be inclined to? I guess it is all a matter of perspective and what you want to entrust to them.[/QUOTE]To have sex and for them not to go crazy if their bat shit crazy expectations were not met. When you pay for sex, it is like this is what you get and you cannot * about getting more.

I knew big cops who were scared shitless of a woman complaining they harassed her. My ex called the cops and was told that I would be arrested if I yelled at her.

My sister-in-law got pissed at my brother and told the cops he hit her. Of course, he did not, and he eventually caught her in a recording where she said just that. A woman thinks that if a man offends her, he belongs in jail. Again, this has gotten to be normal.

We just had an incident where a volleyball player claimed someone called her the and word. I do not like it but this was like a national incident. It is like, "A woman's feelings are hurt. We need to find a man and beat them up so she feels better. " They did an investigation and found no evidence to back up what she said happened.

On the flip side, my ex-fiance in Venezuela went to the police and complained she had a stalker in Peru. The police were like "Yeah, sorry maam, but you are from Venezuela and we really do not give a shit. " The laws are the same in Latin America as they are here, but they are just not enforced.

One guy on here said that he wanted women to sign consent forms before having sex with them. For Colombia, that is crazy. For the USA, it is not.

And the idea of even seeing pros has been clamped down on with this trafficking BS. If you played the way you are in the USA, Mr. E, you would be sued or in jail or both. If you do not believe me, come back and try it. You will see.

Hi Mr E, first of all great advice. I'm new to this Bogota sub forum as I've only just visited this great city. I'm surprised there's not more buzz about it (I also want to try out Lima too but that's later) so the first thing I don't want to do is come on and be a douche and start something with someone that's got a lot of experience here. I also don't want to take Clams approach of just giving anecdotal stuff. Kind of like you said "Colombia doesn't work because Clam said something should work" with no real evidence to back that up. I also don't want to negate what your Uber driver friend had to say either but I'll try and make my points succinct and with no anecdotal evidence but something a bit more meaty and factual.

It's really confusing how the Colombian government works. What's new? LOL. In this example, it's confusing because Didi, Indriver, I can't think of the others right now but they work as ridesharing apps. Why it's confusing is that ridesharing apps are the things that should be illegal in Colombia under this ruling but they are allowed to continue as Cotech Inc (the company that initially sued Uber) sued just Uber and not Didi or the others as Uber was the primary market share at the time (this goes all the way back to about 2015). In theory if you ride Didi as an example, you may be breaking the law but the ruling was specifically against Uber. Either way it doesn't mean that a traffic cop can't be a dick to a driver. Confusing as well, because as of after Uber left Colombia and after the ruling that Cotech won the case against Uber, Uber changed their model of business to not being a rideshare but instead becoming a car rental but with a driver (kind of like a limousine but just not a limo LOL). That's specifically how Uber gets around the court case. So you are technically correct in that Uber as a rideshare is illegal. However, Uber in its new form in Colombia is now a car rental company that simply offers a driver. And car rentals, with or without a driver, are not illegal in Colombia. In fact, Cotech has yet to sue Uber as it would be difficult to win and complicated if they did win to then enforce.

From a consumer standpoint, it's no different to us. We get on the Uber app and we pick a destination, tell it where we are, a list of options come up for price and car and then we agree to the ride. As a driver, it's different. Here in the USA, Uber drivers and delivery drivers have their own app that's different than the riders app that you and I use. Terms of service have to be agreed upon and your specific country needs to be entered so that your app is then compliant with that countries laws. Uber around the time of this case partnered with a Latin American company, that was specific to Colombia called TaxExpress. That may be the app that the drivers use in Colombia or TaxExpress software may be integrated into the Uber Driver app. Either way, the driver is no longer considered a rideshare driver and is now expressly renting their vehicle and they themselves are offering themselves as a driver when me, you or someone else requests them on our Uber app.

A bit confusing? Yeah it is There are a number of articles out there but it gets a bit difficult to find some as I'm here in the States and if you are too finding Colombian based news articles in Colombian using google search that's going to search for primarily English language articles because I'm here is a little difficult but I'll put links to some good informative articles that will give you some more factual based evidence rather than what Clam is doing which is kind of "well if I think it should work then it must work this way" type thing. If you do some searching too it's easy to get what is now incorrect info. Make sure you look for articles specifically within the last year as if you look up most articles from 2020 and earlier it's before Uber changed their rideshare model.

As for your taxi driver friend. I feel for her / him. Those Cupos are frikken ridiculously high. And if I was a taxi driver that paid what is almost a small fortune and probably more than the cost of my car just so I can drive as a taxi to then have my earnings half or even worse almost dissapear with the advent of rideshares I'the be pissed and I may even take my anger out on Uber, DiDi drivers, etc. Because of that and because of incendiary remarks by the Colombian Transport minister it makes some of these drivers nervous. Hopefully instead the taxi fleet in Colombia modernizes instead.

[URL]https://fee.org/articles/how-colombia-s-crackdown-on-uber-is-hurting-their-transportation-industry/amp[/URL]

[URL]https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/24/uber-new-york-city-taxis-deal-app[/URL]

[URL]https://labsnews.com/en/news/business/uber-taxi-colombia/?amp[/URL]

[URL]https://www.expresscomputer.in/news/restriction-on-uber-overturned-by-columbia-court/58616/[/URL]

I had one from Bogota Express that was dated fairly recently but I can't find the link now and it was a good explainer regarding rideshare apps vs Ubers model of car rental w / driver and how that model may become more widespread across Latin America. The same situation is also happening to a lesser degree in CDMX but right now it's specific to the airport but just like Colombia, Mexico is also confusing as it's rarely enforced one day and then another is.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741727]I do not work for the Colombian government so I can not tell you why they do not take more measures to prevent ride-share apps. And even though it is illegal I have read info online that they are still paying taxes. Maybe kind of like those weed shops in the US that are illegal on a federal level, but they are still paying taxes to the federal government, and last I read they could not even deposit that "illegal drug money" into a federally-insured bank. Why doesn't the US federal government shut them down?

Now what you refuse to do is provide proof as to why it is legal. You keep using your first world business reasoning for a third world issue. And in this case it is not compatible.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741900]If you played the way you are in the USA, Mr. E, you would be sued or in jail or both. If you do not believe me, come back and try it. You will see.[/QUOTE]You forget that I have friends and family members that still do all their dirt in the USA. Those kind. Of problems just do not run in our circle.

What is the next cheapest country after Colombia? Can't stay here all year.

[QUOTE=ClamSlammer;2741418]You think a multi-billion dollar MNC knowingly operates illegally, gives millions of rides a day, conducts a million transactions a day with Colombian banks, and the Colombian government has no clue what's going on? The stupidity is just off the scale. BTW there are ZERO advertisements in Vegas explicitly advertising prostitution. And certain prosecutors won't prosecute small drug cases because the court system will become overwhelmed. You have no clue on how businesses and the legal system operate. You brag about knowing everything in the 3rd world yet you've never seen a plug-in water heater.

So again, here's the question that you refuse to answer:

If Uber is illegal in Colombia, why doesn't the Colombian government shut down access to its servers? Remove Uber app downloads from Colombian IP addresses? Freeze all Uber's Colombian bank accounts? Issue arrest warrants for Uber's board of directors?[/QUOTE]After taking countless Uber's, They always want me to sit in the front, even if it's just me and my girl. So they don't want to appear to somebody they are rideshare. I had one woman Uber driver tell me if we get stopped, to call her by her first name, she said " they can take my car away. " I have no idea who, what or why but they seem to me to be wary of something.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2741937]Uber changed their model of business to not being a rideshare but instead becoming a car rental but with a driver (kind of like a limousine but just not a limo LOL). That's specifically how Uber gets around the court case. So you are technically correct in that Uber as a rideshare is illegal. However, Uber in its new form in Colombia is now a car rental company that simply offers a driver.[/QUOTE]That I know. From my understanding this is only Uber saying they are now this type of business, however it has still not gotten approval from any government entity to be run in this manner. So until it does or until it is formally challenged, it is still operating in a gray area and technically illegal, hence the people doing it can be subject to all the fines and stuff.

It is like the reverse of the USA weed game. Some states have said it is okay, but federally it has not been given any approval, so at any time the federal government can come shut it down but as of now they have made no effort to do such. With Uber the big guys have NOT said this new model is okay but are not putting in the effort to totally squash it, hence the local guys can enforce it as being illegal under the last and most current LEGAL ruling which says Uber's business is not okay.

Cupid still around? I heard FB and Insta plus SA and tinder were the "stack".

Anyone know?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2741508]Back when I was using SA and Cupid, I would have lots of these girls asking for money and we had never even met! I always tell them I don't send money, when I see you, of course I'll take care of you. If they ask again I block them. I have to assume if they ask me, they are asking all the men. There is a good portion of SA girls that use the app to groom dozens of guys as their ATM.

I had a few close amigas, who were amazing, great sex, super cute and never even discussed money upfront, they were just thankful for whatever I gave them, never talked about time, just great girlfriend sex. I did send a couple of my special friends a few dollars during the pandemic, they had no food and they all lost their POS jobs. They were the exception.[/QUOTE]

Finally got airfare down to Bogota outside of work so I can spend some time checking out the girls. I'll be there Wed night-Mon (travelling Monday so probably not a chance to do much) in the beginning of November. See any reason to do 1 night in Medellin or just focus on Bogota? I'm not interested in the SA, tinder scene of dating, going out for meals, etc just primarily look around for a SG or club girl, fuck and move onto the next one. Sounds like T,F,S should be busier in the Santa Fe clubs while Sunday is going to be quieter. Wondering if the scene is busy enough in Medellin on Sunday or just stick around Bogota?

Seniors may comment whether above hotel is chica friendly? Thanks in advance.

I spent one week in Bogota. Here what I discovered.

This is my second time in Colombia, but 1st in Bogota. Be prepared for a lower temperature. Even inside the Airbnb temperature can be lower than optimal. Never freezing, but not what you expect from a tropical place. The red-light area is in Santa Fe, mostly Carrera 15 and 16 as reported in many maps. All the club are in the same area and it is nice to walk from one to the other Fiebre, Troya, Texas, California. On Thursday there were 2 great girls in Fiebre, and when I say great, I mean skinny, young, pretty and with active personality. Lap dance is 50 mil, and it is worth especially if you have a friend and the girl share the time between the two, jumping from one to the other. Be prepared that she gets completely naked and all the folks in the close tables will look at her (and you will do the same when the show is on a close table). Try to take a table just under the upper floor so the girl can hang and put her pussy on your face. My buddy paid 100 cop for a short session, I guess 20 minutes.

Comparing the red light area of Bogota to Medellin's Botero square, I felt much safer in Bogota. I was out there from 3 pm to 1 am without feeling any danger. Clearly, I used the normal precautions you must use in Colombia, avoiding dark areas and behaving like an easy prey. They say "no dar papaya". In the area, there are likely 100 girls in the street, and they keep changing, so, if you go to a club and you get out in 20 min or so, you will find many new girls. They ask between 40 and 50 for 30 minutes, at least with my weak negotiation skill. My Spanish is at 10% level and these girls do not speak slowly because they mostly work with locals. A chica told me that their customers are mostly Colombians, but they all prefer Tourist because they pay more. Keep with you a small baby-wipes bag that you can buy in any supermarket, it is very useful after the session.

You can find food for any taste. Many are just 18-19. There are small and large, tall and bajitas. For the equivalent of 10 USD you can get them and touch their young bodies. Even when I was too tired to finalize the session, it was great to play for 30 minutes with a pretty body and have some nice time.

I staid in and Airbnb, a large apartment at 10 minutes from Santa Fe. A ISG Member told me he stays ad San Francisco hotel that is at walking distance from SF and room are good, cheap with an included morning breakfast.

I tried to call girls from Photo Prepago and Mileroticos, but it was mostly a waste of time. To set an appointment it takes too long, They always say yes initially, but then they do not show up, or they do not want to go to an Airbnb. I had only one girl, but he was NOT the one in the pictures. Other Members told me this is very common. My most precious resource was "time" and these internet sites are very time consuming and I think it is not worth using them.

It is also possible to eat in the area, no need to take a taxi to go to eat.

I'll never say enough tank-you to the other ISG Member I met in Bogota and the great suggestions they had for me.

Finally, Woodman09 is a great guy, he is from LA, but lives in Bogota, and he spends his time mongering 365 days per year. He knows exactly what you need to know before you ask. If you want to learn all the tricks quickly, without wasting your time and taking risks, then PM him and have a tour. He will also introduce you to the other mongers. After the initial paid tour, I kept meeting him in the other days too, to walk around, eat and have some good time together.

Great report Arthur. Can't wait to get down there.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2742323]I spent one week in Bogota. Here what I discovered.

This is my second time in Colombia, but 1st in Bogota. Be prepared for a lower temperature. Even inside the Airbnb temperature can be lower than optimal. Never freezing, but not what you expect from a tropical place. The red-light area is in Santa Fe, mostly Carrera 15 and 16 as reported in many maps. All the club are in the same area and it is nice to walk from one to the other Fiebre, Troya, Texas, California. On Thursday there were 2 great girls in Fiebre, and when I say great, I mean skinny, young, pretty and with active personality. Lap dance is 50 mil, and it is worth especially if you have a friend and the girl share the time between the two, jumping from one to the other. Be prepared that she gets completely naked and all the folks in the close tables will look at her (and you will do the same when the show is on a close table). Try to take a table just under the upper floor so the girl can hang and put her pussy on your face. My buddy paid 100 cop for a short session, I guess 20 minutes.

Comparing the red light area of Bogota to Medellin's Botero square, I felt much safer in Bogota. I was out there from 3 pm to 1 am without feeling any danger. Clearly, I used the normal precautions you must use in Colombia, avoiding dark areas and behaving like an easy prey. They say "no dar papaya". In the area, there are likely 100 girls in the street, and they keep changing, so, if you go to a club and you get out in 20 min or so, you will find many new girls. They ask between 40 and 50 for 30 minutes, at least with my weak negotiation skill. My Spanish is at 10% level and these girls do not speak slowly because they mostly work with locals. A chica told me that their customers are mostly Colombians, but they all prefer Tourist because they pay more..[/QUOTE]

And that's how you do it folks!

Brah, BOG is a monster of a city! You have only scratched the surface. But some well say Santa Fe is all you need. LOL.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2742323]I spent one week in Bogota. Here what I discovered.

This is my second time in Colombia, but 1st in Bogota. Be prepared for a lower temperature. Even inside the Airbnb temperature can be lower than optimal. Never freezing, but not what you expect from a tropical place. The red-light area is in Santa Fe, mostly Carrera 15 and 16 as reported in many maps. All the club are in the same area and it is nice to walk from one to the other Fiebre, Troya, Texas, California. On Thursday there were 2 great girls in Fiebre, and when I say great, I mean skinny, young, pretty and with active personality. Lap dance is 50 mil, and it is worth especially if you have a friend and the girl share the time between the two, jumping from one to the other. Be prepared that she gets completely naked and all the folks in the close tables will look at her (and you will do the same when the show is on a close table). Try to take a table just under the upper floor so the girl can hang and put her pussy on your face. My buddy paid 100 cop for a short session, I guess 20 minutes.

Comparing the red light area of Bogota to Medellin's Botero square, I felt much safer in Bogota. I was out there from 3 pm to 1 am without feeling any danger. Clearly, I used the normal precautions you must use in Colombia, avoiding dark areas and behaving like an easy prey. They say "no dar papaya". In the area, there are likely 100 girls in the street, and they keep changing, so, if you go to a club and you get out in 20 min or so, you will find many new girls. They ask between 40 and 50 for 30 minutes, at least with my weak negotiation skill. My Spanish is at 10% level and these girls do not speak slowly because they mostly work with locals. A chica told me that their customers are mostly Colombians, but they all prefer Tourist because they pay more. Keep with you a small baby-wipes bag that you can buy in any supermarket, it is very useful after the session.

You can find food for any taste. Many are just 18-19. There are small and large, tall and bajitas. For the equivalent of 10 USD you can get them and touch their young bodies. Even when I was too tired to finalize the session, it was great to play for 30 minutes with a pretty body and have some nice time.

I staid in and Airbnb, a large apartment at 10 minutes from Santa Fe. A ISG Member told me he stays ad San Francisco hotel that is at walking distance from SF and room are good, cheap with an included morning breakfast.

I tried to call girls from Photo Prepago and Mileroticos, but it was mostly a waste of time. To set an appointment it takes too long, They always say yes initially, but then they do not show up, or they do not want to go to an Airbnb. I had only one girl, but he was NOT the one in the pictures. Other Members told me this is very common. My most precious resource was "time" and these internet sites are very time consuming and I think it is not worth using them.

It is also possible to eat in the area, no need to take a taxi to go to eat.

I'll never say enough tank-you to the other ISG Member I met in Bogota and the great suggestions they had for me.

Finally, Woodman09 is a great guy, he is from LA, but lives in Bogota, and he spends his time mongering 365 days per year. He knows exactly what you need to know before you ask. If you want to learn all the tricks quickly, without wasting your time and taking risks, then PM him and have a tour. He will also introduce you to the other mongers. After the initial paid tour, I kept meeting him in the other days too, to walk around, eat and have some good time together.[/QUOTE]

If you do go to MDE, then go first then come back to BOG. I say stay in BOG. MDE sucks!

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2742230]Finally got airfare down to Bogota outside of work so I can spend some time checking out the girls. I'll be there Wed night-Mon (travelling Monday so probably not a chance to do much) in the beginning of November. See any reason to do 1 night in Medellin or just focus on Bogota? I'm not interested in the SA, tinder scene of dating, going out for meals, etc just primarily look around for a SG or club girl, fuck and move onto the next one. Sounds like T,F,S should be busier in the Santa Fe clubs while Sunday is going to be quieter. Wondering if the scene is busy enough in Medellin on Sunday or just stick around Bogota?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TravelBro69;2742199]Cupid still around? I heard FB and Insta plus SA and tinder were the "stack".

Anyone know?[/QUOTE]Cupid was good before all the newer apps came out. I had some good experiences 10 years ago with it. Can't say how it is today. I met one girl, an accounting major on Cupid. We were boyfriend and girlfriend whenever I was in Colombia. We would go to SAI frequently and some amazing days, of sun, beautiful crystal clear water, Langosta, Cerveza and hot sex. But what she did when I wasn't there, was not my concern. Which made for a stress free relationship. In fact it's a good idea if you're seeing a Colombiana, just assume she's seeing other people too. She changed careers and went to Chef school. Graduated and got a job in France as a chef. Last I heard she got married to some French dude. I often wonder if he knows what he married? . Just another story in the naked city.

Last year I was pleasantly surprised that prices in Bogota had remained flat.

This year.

I passed on some marginal pussy in Santa Marta knowing that Sta Fe was just a day away.

I found a nice vennie on one of the calles off the main track. She looked great but started at 100 K.

I ground her down to 60 thinking that's more than fair, but she was pissed about it and I figured since she wasn't getting picked up.

She had mispriced herself. In any event she was in great shape. We walked over to the hotel were the other Vennies hang. It was 8 K so net Chica 52 k and I think that is the best I will find this trip.

I was out last night, Sunday and pickings were slimmer with ironically a larger police presence than Saturday.

This is the second year I didn't pause at Troya just did a walk thru not impressed at 10 K poker beer (a very cheap brand).

Good to know that lap dances are now 50 K.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2742323]Lap dance is 50 mil[/QUOTE]How long are the lap dances usually?

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2742590]How long are the lap dances usually?[/QUOTE]Actually sometimes you can bargain to 30 mil-- Also 20 mil in some clubs.

Dances usually go until the girl I naked and will stop between songs-- I think they are longer than US stripclubs-- often you can cuddle a bit. I love playing Dr with these hottt girls-- If they let me, LOL-- Also giving wedgies is always fun-.

SexPat Life is Awesome!

Hi all,

Planning a trip again (had to cancel one a few years back due to protests) and wanted to get a sense of the timing. What's more dead in terms of mongering; last week of December or first week of January? Those are the only two slots I may have to get away.

Also what's the best alternative to street walking in SantaFe? I prefer incalls and that too with women over 25 . I plan to do a tour with Woodman regardless.

Thank you.

FOH. She sized you up and thought you were overpaying Pendejo. LOL.

[QUOTE=Kutler;2742564]Last year I was pleasantly surprised that prices in Bogota had remained flat.

This year.

I passed on some marginal pussy in Santa Marta knowing that Sta Fe was just a day away.

I found a nice vennie on one of the calles off the main track. She looked great but started at 100 K.

I ground her down to 60 thinking that's more than fair, but she was pissed about it and I figured since she wasn't getting picked up.

She had mispriced herself. In any event she was in great shape. We walked over to the hotel were the other Vennies hang. It was 8 K so net Chica 52 k and I think that is the best I will find this trip.

I was out last night, Sunday and pickings were slimmer with ironically a larger police presence than Saturday.

This is the second year I didn't pause at Troya just did a walk thru not impressed at 10 K poker beer (a very cheap brand).

Good to know that lap dances are now 50 K.[/QUOTE].

Stop paying gringo prices. If the street hoes charge a minimum of 35 then why would you pay 50 for a lap dance. Anyway why would you get a lap dance. When you can fuck. I think the foreigner presence is making the owners adapt the American strip club business model. Lap dances and girly drinks. Why would the hoes have any reason to fuck for money. Don't fuck up the game guys.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2742590]How long are the lap dances usually?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2742323]Lap dance is 50 mil, and it is worth especially if you have a friend [/QUOTE]Not worth it when it should only be 10 K.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2742708]Stop paying gringo prices. If the street hoes charge a minimum of 35 then why would you pay 50 for a lap dance. Anyway why would you get a lap dance. When you can fuck. I think the foreigner presence is making the owners adapt the American strip club business model. Lap dances and girly drinks. Why would the hoes have any reason to fuck for money. Don't fuck up the game guys.[/QUOTE]I have seen tons of Colombians getting lap dances in the clubs both in Santa Fe and Pussy House. Some seemingly exclusively, at least for the 2+ hours that I am there sometimes. Granted I've only been out for club nights in Bogota maybe 10 times.

Some that I have met heard this story, but I had tons of fun getting a really long 3 song dance from a young Sarah Palin look alike and then brought her upstairs. Before that she was entertaining a group next to me for like an hour. It certainly built a ton of excitement and was fun while doing shots. She was also the most fun girl upstairs that I have had, but maybe that was going to happen either way. Did I say Sarah Palin!!

I didn't think I would like it, but it was tons of fun hanging with a few chill guys and getting double lap dances was a great night. Seems extreamly common with locals. I certainly can't fuck 6+ times in a few hours, nor do I want to at this point.

Curious what woodman and others have to say.

I like lap dances. Got a few the other night in Venus waiting for Woodman while he was upstairs banging a hot piece of ass. Damage was 20 mil pesos for 2 songs. Paid 40 mil for 4 songs and it ended up keeping me occupied for about 15 minutes or so. The girl had the nicest pair of natural tits I've seen in Colombia so far. I apologize to everyone who thinks I wasted less than $10 and somehow made it more expensive for them to get laid in the long run.

Additionally, there's actually a handful of girls in the Sante fe clubs that won't have sex for money and only do lap dances. It's extremely rare but I've met 2 of them so far in my Bogota adventures. You'll be able to tell which ones they are because they'll have everyone's eyes on them the entire time they're on the floor and they'll be insanely busy giving lap dances the entire time.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2742708]Stop paying gringo prices. If the street hoes charge a minimum of 35 then why would you pay 50 for a lap dance. Anyway why would you get a lap dance. When you can fuck. I think the foreigner presence is making the owners adapt the American strip club business model. Lap dances and girly drinks. Why would the hoes have any reason to fuck for money. Don't fuck up the game guys.[/QUOTE]

The lap lasts a while, I would say between 5 and 8 minutes.

In Texas disco I paid 30 mil for a lap and 50 for room action.

The 2 chicas I had a lap from in Fiebre where gorgeous. My buddy sessioned with the brunette after I left for 100.

In my honest opinion if you consider the Texas price (30) appropriate for a cute flaca mona, then then, given the difference in quality, the lap in Fiebre (50) had a correct price too.

I went there other 2 days to have a session with my 23 why brunette with siliconed tits, a wasp waist, and boosted ass but I didn't see her anymore. BTW Surgery is not my passion, but this one was an exception.

Now I'm in Cali alone, and I wish I had remained in Bogota walking around with other Members!

Colombians get lap dance at 10 k in SF and they do it because they don't have the money for beer and fucking. So beer and lap dances are cheaper. Pussy House was more fore sure. I had good luck at the spot across the street from pussy house.

Also, someone grow some nuts and go to the southern club scene.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2742734]I have seen tons of Colombians getting lap dances in the clubs both in Santa Fe and Pussy House. Some seemingly exclusively, at least for the 2+ hours that I am there sometimes. Granted I've only been out for club nights in Bogota maybe 10 times.

Some that I have met heard this story, but I had tons of fun getting a really long 3 song dance from a young Sarah Palin look alike and then brought her upstairs. Before that she was entertaining a group next to me for like an hour. It certainly built a ton of excitement and was fun while doing shots. She was also the most fun girl upstairs that I have had, but maybe that was going to happen either way. Did I say Sarah Palin!!

I didn't think I would like it, but it was tons of fun hanging with a few chill guys and getting double lap dances was a great night. Seems extreamly common with locals. I certainly can't fuck 6+ times in a few hours, nor do I want to at this point.

Curious what woodman and others have to say.[/QUOTE]

Cali is very spread out and there is no big area like SF. La 20 is about has good as it gets for numbers.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2742763]The lap lasts a while, I would say between 5 and 8 minutes.

In Texas disco I paid 30 mil for a lap and 50 for room action.

The 2 chicas I had a lap from in Fiebre where gorgeous. My buddy sessioned with the brunette after I left for 100.

In my honest opinion if you consider the Texas price (30) appropriate for a cute flaca mona, then then, given the difference in quality, the lap in Fiebre (50) had a correct price too.

I went there other 2 days to have a session with my 23 why brunette with siliconed tits, a wasp waist, and boosted ass but I didn't see her anymore. BTW Surgery is not my passion, but this one was an exception.

Now I'm in Cali alone, and I wish I had remained in Bogota walking around with other Members![/QUOTE]

That sounds about right.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2742762]I like lap dances. Got a few the other night in Venus waiting for Woodman while he was upstairs banging a hot piece of ass. Damage was 20 mil pesos for 2 songs. Paid 40 mil for 4 songs and it ended up keeping me occupied for about 15 minutes or so. The girl had the nicest pair of natural tits I've seen in Colombia so far. I apologize to everyone who thinks I wasted less than $10 and somehow made it more expensive for them to get laid in the long run.

Additionally, there's actually a handful of girls in the Sante fe clubs that won't have sex for money and only do lap dances. It's extremely rare but I've met 2 of them so far in my Bogota adventures. You'll be able to tell which ones they are because they'll have everyone's eyes on them the entire time they're on the floor and they'll be insanely busy giving lap dances the entire time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2742663]Hi all,

Planning a trip again (had to cancel one a few years back due to protests) and wanted to get a sense of the timing. What's more dead in terms of mongering; last week of December or first week of January? Those are the only two slots I may have to get away.

Also what's the best alternative to street walking in SantaFe? I prefer incalls and that too with women over 25 . I plan to do a tour with Woodman regardless.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Neither week is good. Latinos are genuinely very family oriented. But the first week of January would be better that December. After Jan. 1 most people go back to work. The week between Christmas and New Year is a BIG week for the beach. Even a city as big as Bogota will be dead.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2742705]FOH. She sized you up and thought you were overpaying Pendejo. LOL..[/QUOTE]Yo, DcFace, don't take it personal. I Would gladly pay 52 K for a buena flaca chica with no baby damage and nice firm tetonas.

Too bad you find that high. Its about $11.93. At the posted Colombian median wage of $8 per hour, it should cost the average Colombian 1.5 hours wages to date a fine chica, not entirely outrageous.

I did session with a 30 K girl later and I can sense your frustration with the quality you are achieving at that price point.

The topic of the conversation was how world inflation is going to mess things up for a while. Clearly from the way you communicate (or fail to) you were not around during the 70's the last time things got out of control. Its perhaps not the fault of Gringos the price is rising, perpaps girls just won't fuck for sopa & almuerzo.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2742944]Neither week is good. Latinos are genuinely very family oriented. But the first week of January would be better that December. After Jan. 1 most people go back to work. The week between Christmas and New Year is a BIG week for the beach. Even a city as big as Bogota will be dead.[/QUOTE]Thanks, this is helpful.

[QUOTE=Kutler;2742948]Yo, DcFace, don't take it personal. I Would gladly pay 52 K for a buena flaca chica with no baby damage and nice firm tetonas.

Too bad you find that high. Its about $11.93. At the posted Colombian median wage of $8 per hour, it should cost the average Colombian 1.5 hours wages to date a fine chica, not entirely outrageous.

I did session with a 30 K girl later and I can sense your frustration with the quality you are achieving at that price point.

The topic of the conversation was how world inflation is going to mess things up for a while. Clearly from the way you communicate (or fail to) you were not around during the 70's the last time things got out of control. Its perhaps not the fault of Gringos the price is rising, perpaps girls just won't fuck for sopa & almuerzo.[/QUOTE]Most non-professionals working in Bogota can only pray to God to make 8 bucks an hour. Most work mto F and 1/2 day on Saturday for about a 50 hour work week, that's $400 a week, or over 7 million a month lawyers, dentists maybe but never for the working man.

[QUOTE=Kutler;2742948]Too bad you find that high. Its about $11.93. At the posted Colombian median wage of $8 per hour, it should cost the average Colombian 1.5 hours wages to date a fine chica, .[/QUOTE]Where are you getting your figures? Or maybe you are talking about Colombia, South Carolina. Because in Colombia, South America most people are making $227 per month which would equal out to $1.41 per hour if they worked 160 hours per month. So they would actually have to work 9 hours to afford one of those $11.93 chicas. I do not know many guys that would find paying to fuck a chick for a few minutes for 1 day's pay not high.

"Así, a partir del 1° de enero de 2022 el salario mínimo legal mensual vigente asciende a la suma de COP $1. 000.000. " From January 1, 2022 the legal monthly minimum wage rose to 1 million pesos.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2743015]Most non-professionals working in Bogota can only pray to God to make 8 bucks an hour. Most work mto F and 1/2 day on Saturday for about a 50 hour work week, that's $400 a week, or over 7 million a month lawyers, dentists maybe but never for the working man.[/QUOTE]I'm in Bog now, I see lots of nice cars and people well dressed, how do they do that at 10% of my wage?

Mongering is an elective, if you can afford it. When I was younger I sure couldn't.

Don't get me wrong I'm not for paying any more than necessary that's why I pass on clubs and the like.

They attract the chicas. Still 50 K is not an outrageous price to pay for full service.

Check back this time next year. Its all about the inflation.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2742323]I spent one week in Bogota. Here what I discovered.

This is my second time in Colombia, but 1st in Bogota. Be prepared for a lower temperature. Even inside the Airbnb temperature can be lower than optimal. Never freezing, but not what you expect from a tropical place. The red-light area is in Santa Fe, mostly Carrera 15 and 16 as reported in many maps. All the club are in the same area and it is nice to walk from one to the other Fiebre, Troya, Texas, California. On Thursday there were 2 great girls in Fiebre, and when I say great, I mean skinny, young, pretty and with active personality. Lap dance is 50 mil, and it is worth especially if you have a friend and the girl share the time between the two, jumping from one to the other. Be prepared that she gets completely naked and all the folks in the close tables will look at her (and you will do the same when the show is on a close table). Try to take a table just under the upper floor so the girl can hang and put her pussy on your face. My buddy paid 100 cop for a short session, I guess 20 minutes..[/QUOTE]How much does Woodman09 charges?

Not a good idea to go those dates, in latin america most girls will be with their families and won't go out at all. So the pool will be cut by more than half if not more.

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2742663]Hi all,

Planning a trip again (had to cancel one a few years back due to protests) and wanted to get a sense of the timing. What's more dead in terms of mongering; last week of December or first week of January? Those are the only two slots I may have to get away.

Also what's the best alternative to street walking in SantaFe? I prefer incalls and that too with women over 25 . I plan to do a tour with Woodman regardless.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

Spent the last couple days organizing a visit with Isabella, a slim, tattooed independent.

Pics are all 100% accurate, and her English is good which is great because my Spanish sucks still, google translate was helpful a few times to clear up minor confusion. WhatsApp comms we're good and she only came an hour or so later than we'd planned because of traffic. She came to my hotel, brought a J, and blew my mind. PNC kept me from extending but she's going to be on my mind for a long time.

1 HR 300 mil covered + 10 mil for the J.

Treat her well!

[URL]https://photoprepagos.com/go/JoYy-drSN[/URL]

[QUOTE=Kunjur;2742993]Thanks, this is helpful.[/QUOTE]Is a great time to go. A few weeks before Christmas are one of my best times to take a trip. Also the weather clears up But the best part is that Young moms and women and students, who will be on vacation from school, also are looking for money to buy Christmas gifts. I had great success with waitresses and store clerks in December. Don't be afraid to strike up a conversation with these girls, you would be surprised how receptive they can be, if you speak Spanish.

[QUOTE=Kutler;2743047]I'm in Bog now, I see lots of nice cars and people well dressed, how do they do that at 10% of my wage?

Mongering is an elective, if you can afford it. When I was younger I sure couldn't.

Don't get me wrong I'm not for paying any more than necessary that's why I pass on clubs and the like.

They attract the chicas. Still 50 K is not an outrageous price to pay for full service.

Check back this time next year. Its all about the inflation.[/QUOTE]Feb 2020 I paid 45 k and exchange rate was 3400 for street worker. June 2032 I paid 50 k and exchange rate was 4200. Everyone has their own critera for price. I get it. But just want to put things into perspective. Getting it for 35 k instead of 50 k would save 3.40 at those exchange rates.

I think the influx of Vennies had more of an economic impact than world inflation. But in the opposite way. I remember when the vennies started coming in huge numbers. The look on the Colombian hoe was priceless. Fine-ass Vennies would Hoe out for 20- 25 k, while their Colombian counterparts charge more. Plus perform a lot better too. It was a great era. SF is still a great time. My routine is: fly in at around midnight. Check-in to San Fran Hotel blocks away from SF. Idrive to SF, because I ain't about to get robbed in the mid of the night. Go to the after-hours clubs and get some weed, have some drinks, and chill 'til about 3 am. Then the mad rush of hoes from the regular hour club come in as freelancers to get their party on! Great scene!! When I leave it's sunny out and everyone is going to there day job. I have my hoe in hand and we walk to San Fran Hotel. Since the day shift is working now, they don't recognize me and just let me pass with my hoe assuming she is already a registered guest. Get a little sleep, wake up and do a casa run. DONE.

[QUOTE=Kutler;2742948]Yo, DcFace, don't take it personal. I Would gladly pay 52 K for a buena flaca chica with no baby damage and nice firm tetonas.

Too bad you find that high. Its about $11.93. At the posted Colombian median wage of $8 per hour, it should cost the average Colombian 1.5 hours wages to date a fine chica, not entirely outrageous.

I did session with a 30 K girl later and I can sense your frustration with the quality you are achieving at that price point.

The topic of the conversation was how world inflation is going to mess things up for a while. Clearly from the way you communicate (or fail to) you were not around during the 70's the last time things got out of control. Its perhaps not the fault of Gringos the price is rising, perpaps girls just won't fuck for sopa & almuerzo.[/QUOTE]

Is BOG or MDE better for a 3-6 day where the goal is to solo a convenient area for "high end" 8's-10's? Going through the MDE & BOG forums but hoping to have direction. Ideally to bring back to lodging in walking distance, but ok in the club if not grimey.

Background: Mid 30's American, east African but have passed for dark Cuban / Dominican (if races matters). Started mongering this year. Multi trips to Amsterdam RLD, strip club VIP & take out in my home Miami / Atlanta.

Factors:

Travel time / I can get a direct BOG 4 HR flight, vs MDE connects 8 hrs. Favoring directs considering global delays and few flights to get back.

Spanish: Poor. But using Colombia and Spain as motivation. DuoLingo now, past high school profiency.

Convenience / Volume: Being 1st trip I want to keep it simple as possible. Avoiding online services. I'm solo, so prefer 'safe' clubs where I can just walk in and take my favorite girl. I'm not a big drinker & for safety I don't want to commit to buying a table / bottle service.

Budget: I don't want to slum it, I can afford MIA / AMS market so I don't mind the local premiums for best club talent. I'm not going to make it rain or ruin our economy.

To contribute, I'd post a detailed trip report for others & gladly offer my AMS, MIA, ATL experience to anyone.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2743307]Feb 2020 I paid 45 k and exchange rate was 3400 for street worker. June 2032 I paid 50 k and exchange rate was 4200. Everyone has their own critera for price. I get it. But just want to put things into perspective. Getting it for 35 k instead of 50 k would save 3.40 at those exchange rates.[/QUOTE]I shop with everyday people here.

Food here has gone up Eggs are 100% more than last year, I have seen it rising and rising-- My coffee has gone up 100%. Street fruit cup has shrinkflation and has gone up 50%.

I think the SF 45-50 mil Streetie Sweetie session shall be a fond memory soon. So much pressure.

Enjoy these prices while you can.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2743307]Feb 2020 I paid 45 k and exchange rate was 3400 for street worker. June 2032 I paid 50 k and exchange rate was 4200. Everyone has their own critera for price. I get it. But just want to put things into perspective. Getting it for 35 k instead of 50 k would save 3.40 at those exchange rates.[/QUOTE]It's good to know about the future. Can I borrow your time machine?

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2727980]Try this one.

I have used its service and it's pretty good. For hiv test result, they will want to talk to you in person via their web app before releasing your result. It's related to their privacy law. Takes 24 hours.

Contact them via WhatsApp and let them know you need an English speaking professional to talk to you if you are not fluent in Spanish.

Vitălea Sede 82.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/82ePGCjivsaAzxiN9[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation here and in person!

I went to the parque 93 location yesterday around 530 pm. It is open until 8 pm. I just walked in and they ended up emailing me the HIV result like 16 hours later. Still waiting for a few more tests.

230 k cop for HIV plus some others. I had to fill out a ton of paperwork and couldn't complete all of it. They only looked at 1 page and then did data entry, paid, and then they took my blood.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2743478]Is BOG or MDE better for a 3-6 day where the goal is to solo a convenient area for "high end" 8's-10's? Going through the MDE & BOG forums but hoping to have direction. Ideally to bring back to lodging in walking distance, but ok in the club if not grimey.

Background: Mid 30's American, east African but have passed for dark Cuban / Dominican (if races matters). Started mongering this year. Multi trips to Amsterdam RLD, strip club VIP & take out in my home Miami / Atlanta.

Factors:

Travel time / I can get a direct BOG 4 HR flight, vs MDE connects 8 hrs. Favoring directs considering global delays and few flights to get back.

Spanish: Poor. But using Colombia and Spain as motivation. DuoLingo now, past high school profiency.

Convenience / Volume: Being 1st trip I want to keep it simple as possible. Avoiding online services. I'm solo, so prefer 'safe' clubs where I can just walk in and take my favorite girl. I'm not a big drinker & for safety I don't want to commit to buying a table / bottle service.

Budget: I don't want to slum it, I can afford MIA / AMS market so I don't mind the local premiums for best club talent. I'm not going to make it rain or ruin our economy.

To contribute, I'd post a detailed trip report for others & gladly offer my AMS, MIA, ATL experience to anyone.[/QUOTE]It sounds kinda sick. And a major reason you will have difficulty.

I got this message from a girl I showed mild interest in a few months ago, she drops me a line every other week or so just to stay in touch. She knows I travel often to Bogota so the girls like a guy they can see more often than once or twice a year. However, she obviously hooked up with a foreigner recently, maybe American or European, who knows? But she now believes she is something very special. Here's the text I got. Okey.

"Yo seré clara.

Solo tengo encuentro de 1 o 2 horas donde haremos lo que desees por 460 usd. ".

I rarely pay any chic more than 200,000 and always for girlfriend sex. No time limit, if we hit it off, maybe 'todo noche' of which I'm not a fan of. Sure, if you have it and you want it, pay what you want but it upsets the norm. The benchmark for this girl is now what someone gave her, and who knows how many of her girlfriends believe this now. The best way to ruin a location for a good trip is to overpay. It happened in CR. At one time you could get allstars in the Del Rey for 10,000 Colones. Then because of collusion by all the girls it went to $100, and magically they all asked for the same thing, $100. I know this because I was friendly with a lot of the Ticas and she said they all talk. Another location ruined. One man's floor is another man's ceiling, we all know this and this site is not going to stop some guys from paying whatever they want but there are going to be consequences. Places like SF will be less affected because there are more Colombianos there and they never overpay.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2744005]I got this message from a girl I showed mild interest in a few months ago, she drops me a line every other week or so just to stay in touch. She knows I travel often to Bogota so the girls like a guy they can see more often than once or twice a year. However, she obviously hooked up with a foreigner recently, maybe American or European, who knows? But she now believes she is something very special. Here's the text I got. Okey.

"Yo ser clara.

Solo tengo encuentro de 1 o 2 horas donde haremos lo que desees por 460 usd. ".

I rarely pay any chic more than 200,000 and always for girlfriend sex. No time limit, if we hit it off, maybe 'todo noche' of which I'm not a fan of. Sure, if you have it and you want it, pay what you want but it upsets the norm. The benchmark for this girl is now what someone gave her, and who knows how many of her girlfriends believe this now. The best way to ruin a location for a good trip is to overpay. It happened in CR. At one time you could get allstars in the Del Rey for 10,000 Colones. Then because of collusion by all the girls it went to $100, and magically they all asked for the same thing, $100. I know this because I was friendly with a lot of the Ticas and she said they all talk. Another location ruined. One man's floor is another man's ceiling, we all know this and this site is not going to stop some guys from paying whatever they want but there are going to be consequences. Places like SF will be less affected because there are more Colombianos there and they never overpay.[/QUOTE]I surmise from this, if you want to pay top dollar, why bother flying into Bog, sort thru heavy traffic, risk petty crime.

My wing man and I first came across Colombians in Cancun. There are plenty of Brazilians, Argentinians even Europeans there, let them come to you if price is not a concern.

Panama is closer and you won't have to exchange US dollars.

As a sex traveler destination Colombia distinctly lacks convenience.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2743478]Is BOG or MDE better for a 3-6 day where the goal is to solo a convenient area for "high end" 8's-10's? Going through the MDE & BOG forums but hoping to have direction. Ideally to bring back to lodging in walking distance, but ok in the club if not grimey..[/QUOTE]Is there a reason for bringing them back to your hotel? I believe there are reports on here where you can barfine the girls or simply go for escorts that have been reviewed on here.

The reason why I ask for bringing them back to the hotel is primarily to do with language. You mentioned that you're not proficient in Spanish and are taking some duolingo courses. Nothing against taking courses but it's going to be tough for you to hold a conversation just on a short amount of time with duolingo. This isn't Miami, Atlanta or the mostly english speaking girls in Amsterdams RLD areas where you can just speak English when you want to. Colombians, to me at least, speak faster than Mexicans and you're ultimately going to have to use your phone at some point to translate until you spend more time in these countries and pick up the language as it's spoken in real life (and using things like duolingo to help).

I am also not highly proficient in Spanish but with the limited Spanish I have its gotten my way round multiple trips to CDMX and Tijuana (Tijuanas more Americanized though so language isn't always a huge barrier there), Amsterdam, FKKs in Frankfurt, etc. While you can get away with using English in the European countries and a little bit in Tijuana, in places like Medellin and Bogota (and for that matter CDMX) the girls, apart from a few here and there, don't speak it. I found that Colombian Spanish was more difficult to understand than the Mexican Spanish I was used to as there were different slang terms, accents and phrases that I haven't heard before travelling in Mexico. For example, if I'm with a girl in Mexico I can usually just say something like "Perro" (dog) and motion the girl to turn over and bend down and the girl knows I mean doggy style as I always forget the term for doggy style in Spanish and perro for me is easy to remember in the heat of the moment. In Mexico saying "perro" = No problem. The girl I was with at Troya didn't understand what the fuck I was saying and I finally had to manhandle her to turn around and bend down and then she let out a big "aaaahhhh something something something phrase for doggy style sex" and then started laughing and guided my cock into her from behind and got back to business LOL.

This is going to be a big hinderance to you if you take them to your hotel as it's okay for an hour or maybe 2 but after that it gets tiring having to swap phones around using google translate or whatever it is you'll end up using and you'll wish you could just end the session and get back into the club to fuck another girl.

I only got to see the rooms upstairs in Troya. Yeah, I wouldn't call them luxurious but the room and bed is big enough for me (6'2" inch guy), and there was a sink and a toilet. It wasn't Hilton hotel standard but it's fine for a fuck. I'the rethink the bringing back to the hotel thing as the limited Spanish will end up being tough the longer you're with a girl but that's just me and my opinion and personally I've never really got the whole bringing back to the hotel and sleeping with them during the night thing anyways. But everyone's different.

As for which city. I don't have enough experience in that. And someone's 8 is another persons 6 or 10. What I will say is that I saw some cuties in Bogota and it's the reason I'm going back down there in a few weeks. If Bogota bores you then you could always catch a flight out to Medellin for a couple of days but I think between Santa Fe, the Casas a little north and places like Lidos you'll probably be fine in Bogota. Flights domestically are inexpensive unlike here in the States if you get bored though.

I greatly appreciate the advice, that changes my expectations and plans. I know I'll go to BOG / MDE at least once in my life, so that's unchanged but that helped to get an idea of how difficult it will be. Worst case, I just enjoy tourism of a new country.

The reason for bringing to a room was it seemed like more value for time, especially if she ticks all my boxes. But yeah, language barrier is going to be tough. I'll keep researching and eventually go for it and learn in person.

Hi,

Could you, please make a post on this place or places any around. There are many adds on [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] There is a map on this link.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/teusaquillo/hermosa-super-cari[/URL]ñosa-why-recien-llegada-ID-8 gw53.

1) Are girls real?

2) How many girls under 25 year old.

3) Do you know any places where there is a choice (below 25 year old And slim).

4) I have a few questions about your opinion on the business. "bachelor trip from US or Canada" and I am interested in your opinion.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2744434]I greatly appreciate the advice, that changes my expectations and plans. I know I'll go to BOG / MDE at least once in my life, so that's unchanged but that helped to get an idea of how difficult it will be. Worst case, I just enjoy tourism of a new country.

The reason for bringing to a room was it seemed like more value for time, especially if she ticks all my boxes. But yeah, language barrier is going to be tough. I'll keep researching and eventually go for it and learn in person.[/QUOTE]You mentioned you had been to Amsterdam and girls in the RLD there are not cheap and you mention ATL and MIA as other places you've visited then you're going to know that you're not going to get much for $100 USD. Considering you can get a hot girl that is going to let you DATY, fuck in as many positions as you want, BBBJ or covered whatever rocks your boat and CIM or tits for less than $80 I don't think you'll find any better value. I'm going down there in a few weeks for 3 nights. Staying at the Ibis Museo for less than $100 USD for the entire 3 nights, food is ridiculously inexpensive compared to the States and Europe (talking a nice, good quality meal for between $5-13 usd, I will again challenge you to find anything close in budget.

I would give it a go but if you're steadfast about it having to be in your hotel room and if it's going to be something that you want to span multiple hours, dinner, breakfast, whatever then the language barrier is going to be hard. Is that what you did in Amsterdam?

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2743478]
Convenience / Volume: Being 1st trip I want to keep it simple as possible. Avoiding online services. I'm solo, so prefer 'safe' clubs where I can just walk in and take my favorite girl. I'm not a big drinker & for safety I don't want to commit to buying a table / bottle service..[/QUOTE]I'll just post one more reply to this as I'm not up to date with Atlanta nor do I have a lot of experience in Bogota but I wanted to point out that Bogota does not have USA style strip clubs. You don't actually have to pay for a table or certain tables require a bottle purchase, etc. It works nothing like that. You mention "safe" clubs. The clubs are safe so just go visit a bunch of them until you find a girl.

From the things you say you want you seem to be coming from a USA style strip club scene but it's not like that outside the states. Here, You simply walk up to the door of the club, a bouncer will tell you to raise you arms up and you get pat down, you walk in (usually followed by a mesero), then you don't go to the bar like in the states. Instead you find a table, yes unlike the states you can go to any table, the table can be right next to the strip stage where you'll be a few inches from pussy or you can find a table far from it so you can feel out the place, it can be a booth table or just a small regular one, it doesn't matter. There is no vip / preferred / bottle service tables. Your mesero will come up and you mention you don't like to drink a lot so just get "una Agua por favor". Mesero goes to the bar and brings you a bottle back. As of a few weeks ago it was 10 k cop (about $2. 50 usd). Then just sit and relax and look at the girls. I believe lap dances set you back $25 k and some others have reported $50 k either way that's $6-12 usd and just ask the mesero how much a lap dance is to clarify.

If there's a girl you like smile at her and she'll come down and sit with you. For the most part girls in the clubs don't stalk you and bother you like some other countries. Sounds like you've got experience in us strip clubs so you can correct me for being real basic but in general that means girls do "air dances" and then want you to go to VIP for $200/300 usd+ and even then you might have to pay for extras. But the lap dances here aren't "air dances". Nah, mesero usually moves a table, clothes come off and her bare pussy is straddling your leg, she'll probably slide her tits right over your face, she might sit on the table or stand in front of you and start rubbing her pussy or the lap dance I saw the girl finger fucked herself for a nice 5-10 seconds. Her bare pussy and ass will be within inches of your tongue. This isn't an air dance and it isn't going to cost you $50 usd or whatever fucked up crazy amount you get charged in the states. Obviously you can't touch but it's a good intro to know if you want to explore more. Buy her a drink if you want to talk a lot. Perfect time to start asking her about going to your hotel and if she'll do it.

Or maybe you'll be like me. I didn't bother with any of that shit. Walked in, sat at a table, got a bottle, saw this nice fair skinned, blonde vennie finger fuck herself for a guy at another table. Liked her look and when she finished the dance and walked away from the table I smiled at her, she came over, I asked her how much to fuck and my required things I wanted and bam next thing you know I'm licking her tiny clit upstairs while her drool is dripping down my cock and balls before eventually busting my load in her mouth for $70-80. None of this $200-400 usd shit in the states.

Nowhere else are you going to get "value for your time" like this. Anyways, didn't want to detract from your visit. I think you just have a USA strip club style want. If that's the case go to Tijuana. Personally I feel jaded after more than 3 days in Tijuana.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2744434]I greatly appreciate the advice, that changes my expectations and plans. I know I'll go to BOG / MDE at least once in my life, so that's unchanged but that helped to get an idea of how difficult it will be. Worst case, I just enjoy tourism of a new country.

The reason for bringing to a room was it seemed like more value for time, especially if she ticks all my boxes. But yeah, language barrier is going to be tough. I'll keep researching and eventually go for it and learn in person.[/QUOTE]You might consider Montreal then. The escort agencies there are super safe, easy to deal with, and you can easily have most home right to your hotel door. It is known up front if they speak English or not. Every single one I met was super GFE. You can arrive at your hotel room and have one at your room like 30 minutes later. A 2 to 3 day trip is super doable.

Has anyone been to Chicas Milenio lately? I have heard they change their address and no longer at Calle 71 # 14 A-20. Any recommendations for day time casa / brothel action?

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2744560]You might consider Montreal then. The escort agencies there are super safe, easy to deal with, and you can easily have most home right to your hotel door. It is known up front if they speak English or not. Every single one I met was super GFE. You can arrive at your hotel room and have one at your room like 30 minutes later. A 2 to 3 day trip is super doable.[/QUOTE]What is the price range via time, age and girl's quality in Montreal?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2744504]Hi,

Could you, please make a post on this place or places any around. There are many adds on [URL]photoprepagos.com[/URL] There is a map on this link.

[URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/prepagos/bogota/teusaquillo/hermosa-super-cari[/URL]osa-why-recien-llegada-ID-8 gw53.

1) Are girls real?

2) How many girls under 25 year old.

3) Do you know any places where there is a choice (below 25 year old And slim).

4) I have a few questions about your opinion on the business. "bachelor trip from US or Canada" and I am interested in your opinion.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hi everyone,

I wonder, why people don't do something like " Bachelor trip" business"?

Considering:

1) The colombian prices for sex.

2) Girls attitude, low feminism level, age, etc. For a reasonable price you can see as many girls as you want.

3) I lived in Moscow, now in Toronto and well traveled. In my opinion, it's very hard to find colombian level of service in North America. If you need a quality girl+ age, her attitude, etc.

4) North America sites and casas: mostly high volume aged girls who look for local pappies with low expectations or the price is very high.

5) and by sex business I mean. , There are many professionals and self employed or business owners who are tiered to see their low quality feminist wives.

6) As we understand, some reach people can get more life / girl / sex experience in Santa Fe or around the city (3-5 days) than in their entire life. As soon as they get that eye opening experience some of them could become = long term clients.

7) Toronto, New York are long trips 6 hrs + trip to airport. 1000 $+ round trip, etc. But there is Miami, and south US cities. It's close and cheap flights. They have the same problems with good girls as everywhere in North America.

8) The trip could be organized as any business trip. For example; Seminar for dentist, realtors, etc + sex or tourist program. The clients can motivate their trip (family) and + its business expenses.

What is your opinion? Please text me to my PM.

And what do you think about locals and local authorities considering this type of business.

Please comment or send me your opinion on the mater.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2744434]I greatly appreciate the advice, that changes my expectations and plans. I know I'll go to BOG / MDE at least once in my life, so that's unchanged but that helped to get an idea of how difficult it will be. Worst case, I just enjoy tourism of a new country.

The reason for bringing to a room was it seemed like more value for time, especially if she ticks all my boxes. But yeah, language barrier is going to be tough. I'll keep researching and eventually go for it and learn in person.[/QUOTE]"I know I'll go there once in my life" usually ends up being "I wish I had gone. ".

1. The better your Spanish the better your experience. However, your Spanish won't really improve until you are surrounded by Colombians. Also, as most of the people here can confirm, a lot of fun can be had when you are learning the basics.

2. Atlanta to Bogota on Delta is a great flight. If I lived in Atlanta I'd be making the trip monthly, even though I prefer Medellin. Flights to Medellin are cheap, frequent and less than 1 hour.

3. There are multiple clubs in the north of Bogota. They are expensive, especially for takeout, but they should meet your needs, if you're ready to spend $200-$300.

4. The better option are the clubs and the streets of Santa Fe. Woodman gives paid tours and can help you out there. Santa Fe is also close to most of the tourism locations.

5. Get to know the girls in the club, or on the street before taking them to your place. It will cost less and you'll get better service.

6. "Pones en cuatro" is the Colombian way to request doggy style.

Strap on your Nikes and just do it.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2744705]What is the price range via time, age and girl's quality in Montreal?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]200 to 225 cad for 1 hour, any age above 18 that you want, and super GFE. Always bbj. Of course there is always more exspensive. Just google Montreal escorts and you will see the agencies with pictures. I am sure this fourm has info in the right section. I've never had someone not be the same or better compared to pictures.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2744705]What is the price range via time, age and girl's quality in Montreal?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]I'd highly recommend Montreal also. Seems like when I was there back in July. The rates at most agencies were anywhere from $240-$280 CAD depending in the woman.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2744722]Hi everyone,

I wonder, why people don't do something like " Bachelor trip" business"?
[/QUOTE]Not wanting to come across as rude as I think it's just your English but I find some of your posts a little hard to follow. I am guessing you mean: why hasn't someone started a travel agent style business that advertises to high end people for sex tours to Colombia under the guise of it being a business trip? Or likewise to anyone non business that doesn't want to have to do the research?

If that's the case and you're in the States or Canada then you're probably at some point going to get charged with a crime. You can simply search sex tourism agency court or "big apple oriental tours" and whatever slim profits you made doing that would be eaten away in legal costs. Not the smartest move which is why no one does it here.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2742802]Colombians get lap dance at 10 k in SF and they do it because they don't have the money for beer and fucking. So beer and lap dances are cheaper. Pussy House was more fore sure. I had good luck at the spot across the street from pussy house.

Also, someone grow some nuts and go to the southern club scene.[/QUOTE]

I was on the south recently on a Friday night, in a date with a seeking girl. I wanted to go dancing and we went to a salsa club at 11 PM but it was totally empty. It was dissapointing. So we went out and saw a night club similar to those in SF and it had many working girls dancing with customers. Which seemed really fun, with a great vibe. I asked my date if she was ok going there and she said sure. Let's go inside!

The place name is Azafatas VIP and is located exactly here: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/K2iXUcb6sQ3dwddt9[/URL].

My seeking date turned out to be a webcammer girl in the past. So she was not shy at all. She was very happy dancing together with the working girls and customers. Many men thought she worked there and kept asking for her rate. Everybody thought we were a couple.

Lap dance is 40.000. Sex for 15-20 minutes is 90.000.

There was one 22 yo, 170 cm tall, nice ass and natural tits venezuelan hottie who kept looking at us. I approached her and told her to come over and dance with us and she said she didn't want to because I was together with another girl. I told her she was not my girlfriend. She came when I bought her a Smirnoff beer (20.000). I also hired her for a lap dance. And in the end, fucked her. The rooms are very crappy I think SF rooms are a bit better.

After I fucked her I wanted to leave, it was already 3 AM but my seeking date didn't want to leave yet. So she called another working girl to come dance with me to keep me distracted. This was another level dance. And I ended up french kissing and tits / ass grabbing her while dancing and kissing. It worked well to keep me distracted to be honest.

We ended up staying until 6 AM when the place closed. It was great to see all the working girls in their regular clothes getting out to catch a bus to go home. I kissed goodbye to Jhoselyne, my venezuelan girl in her normal clothes and went home to sleep with the seeking girl.

Overall a great experience. In terms of quality of the girls and the rooms though, I think SF is a bit better. I only saw 2 working girls I'd pay to fuck. The club itself was much better than those in SF. And there were many more clubs in the same street, similar to SF too.

[QUOTE=Gtraol;2744807]I'd highly recommend Montreal also. Seems like when I was there back in July. The rates at most agencies were anywhere from $240-$280 CAD depending in the woman.[/QUOTE]Everything about Montreal's "adult" events can be found at [URL]https://merb.cc/[/URL] . For some reason, the hotels are costing an arm and a leg these days.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2744813]I am guessing you mean: why hasn't someone started a travel agent style business that advertises to high end people for sex tours to Colombia under the guise of it being a business trip? .[/QUOTE]Besides, going to get a hooker is not brain surgery. No such thing as high end, only high price. You think the first time a chick turns to hookering she is selling pussy for extreme amounts of money? No. They are cheap as shit and they spend some of their earnings on fancy clothes, fancy hairdo, fancy purse, fancy shoes, maybe surgery. Then all of a sudden they are high end.

Also who wants to end up like Cuba Dave, David33, etc.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2745425]Besides, going to get a hooker is not brain surgery. No such thing as high end, only high price. You think the first time a chick turns to hookering she is selling pussy for extreme amounts of money? No. They are cheap as shit and they spend some of their earnings on fancy clothes, fancy hairdo, fancy purse, fancy shoes, maybe surgery. Then all of a sudden they are high end.

Also who wants to end up like Cuba Dave, David33, etc.[/QUOTE]Yuge Congrats.

#1 ISG quotable quote of 2022=No such thing as high end, only high price.

High Price pussy aka high mileage pussy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2745425]Besides, going to get a hooker is not brain surgery. No such thing as high end, only high price. You think the first time a chick turns to hookering she is selling pussy for extreme amounts of money? No. They are cheap as shit and they spend some of their earnings on fancy clothes, fancy hairdo, fancy purse, fancy shoes, maybe surgery. Then all of a sudden they are high end.

Also who wants to end up like Cuba Dave, David33, etc.[/QUOTE]You are right, but to compline with the law. It's just a technical issue. 1) Tours to Bogota is one business. = security + woodman's excursions to SF, etc (but on high level scale). 2) The girls is another business. Example: the girls can be independent sellers on a website (as they work in SF or casas (no pimping).

Please comment, Thanks.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2744722]Hi everyone,

I wonder, why people don't do something like " Bachelor trip" business"?

Considering:

1) The colombian prices for sex.

2) Girls attitude, low feminism level, age, etc. For a reasonable price you can see as many girls as you want.

3) I lived in Moscow, now in Toronto and well traveled. In my opinion, it's very hard to find colombian level of service in North America. If you need a quality girl+ age, her attitude, etc.

4) North America sites and casas: mostly high volume aged girls who look for local pappies with low expectations or the price is very high.

5) and by sex business I mean. , There are many professionals and self employed or business owners who are tiered to see their low quality feminist wives.

6) As we understand, some reach people can get more life / girl / sex experience in Santa Fe or around the city (3-5 days) than in their entire life. As soon as they get that eye opening experience some of them could become = long term clients..[/QUOTE]Because for every paying customer you get you will have 30 who are just going to waste your time. I've tried to help a few people out by helping to set up everything for a bachelor party in Colombian. Even though I was doing it for free, each one made it an enormous pain in the ass and then canceled at the last minute leaving me to deal with several angry women who had been expecting to get paid.

Then there are the legal issues.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2745232]Everything about Montreal's "adult" events can be found at [URL]https://merb.cc/[/URL] . For some reason, the hotels are costing an arm and a leg these days.[/QUOTE]That's one of the reasons I've decided to venture out and try out other countries. Montreal was always a safe / comfort zone for me. Things are getting pricey real quick.

[QUOTE=Gtraol;2745615]That's one of the reasons I've decided to venture out and try out other countries. Montreal was always a safe / comfort zone for me. Things are getting pricey real quick.[/QUOTE]Its been at least 20 yrs since I've mongered there and it was overpriced then.

I remember sws on Rue St Denis & Mozart were asking $100 usd and it was -30 F outside.

Yet they were still out there in miniskirts and thigh high boots LOL.

I still miss the vibe of Montreal espec on a Sat night, kinda reminds me a really really really run down Moscow LOL.

Stopped by the (original?) Absolut location on Cra. 16, near closing time on a recent Sunday.

The girl who answered the door was the one available, not sure if they have a line-up normally or if it's the kind of place where the next girl up takes the next customer.

She was 25 yo, heavy silicone up top, natural bottom. Pretty cute right around a 7. 5 depending on my mood. I saw 3-4 other girls around the property who were all 6. 5-7. 5. A couple of other customers.

She quoted several prices but massage + FS was 330 K. I think an hour, but there was no clock watching.

They have a pricing chart w / the add-on fees for using a credit card. It would have been 370 ish to use a card.

Pretty comfortable room with multiple mirrors so you can also watch the action. She actually started with a decent 10-15 minutes massage which I enjoy.

Multiple positions, but no kissing. Passive but not holding back.

Note the spa's Google Maps location is accurate. It's the unmarked building next to the restaurant.

Speaking of restaurants, now that you've worked up an appetite, one of Bogota's concentrations of dining is just a block or so away-- lots of options to make a night of it.

Not the cheapest and maybe I could have bargained, but easy is nice sometimes. Decision fatigue you know.

No complaints but wouldn't repeat at this price. But I would stop by Absolut again for the convenience.

I don't travel for the hobby much these days but though an actual report would do the forum good. Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2745553]You are right, but to compline with the law. It's just a technical issue. 1) Tours to Bogota is one business. = security + woodman's excursions to SF, etc (but on high level scale). 2) The girls is another business. Example: the girls can be independent sellers on a website (as they work in SF or casas (no pimping).

Please comment, Thanks.[/QUOTE]Technical complying with the laws of Colombia may not help you all that much. You are a foreigner there, and if they charge you with something (rightly or wrongly in your opinion) you can spend a couple of years in jail just waiting for your case to be heard. You are not innocent until proven guilty. You are presumed guilty if there is sufficient evidence for them to charge you.

And clowns that flaunt their sex vacations such as recently happened in Medellin make the chances of being charged with something a lot higher. They really hate foreigners that in any way promote sex tourism to their country, and this allows them to take it out on someone. You don't want to be that target.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2745714]Technical complying with the laws of Colombia may not help you all that much. You are a foreigner there, and if they charge you with something (rightly or wrongly in your opinion) you can spend a couple of years in jail just waiting for your case to be heard. You are not innocent until proven guilty. You are presumed guilty if there is sufficient evidence for them to charge you.

And clowns that flaunt their sex vacations such as recently happened in Medellin make the chances of being charged with something a lot higher. They really hate foreigners that in any way promote sex tourism to their country, and this allows them to take it out on someone. You don't want to be that target.[/QUOTE]Either some people have no clue or could it be greed? I called this post out few days ago mentioning exactly what you said but it got deleted. So this time I'll use nicer words LOL.

It's probably better to not take these types of posts seriously, especially when no due diligence is applied and you can tell no research is done. We're living in the info-age yet people refuse to use even a simple tool like Google.

Because if they did, they'd read the countless nightmare stories of which many are mentioned also in this forum, how poorer countries especially in Latin America do not treat foreign own biz the same as they do the local's.

You're there and tolerated when you come to spend, or if you blend in, period. The moment you try to outshine a local, outdone other businesses in that area, then you become a target.

Promoting or even hinting sex tourism is only one of many potential problems.

I've seen it happen over and over, assets seized, deportation, and yes you're always guilty first and by the time you get a trial it's been 5 years in prison, if you survive that long in there. There are very well documented cases of this happening in.

DR, CR, COL, and it's funny cause there are successful foreign businesses like restaurants, stores, hotels, bars etc. I personally know many owners.

Whereas the ones that are constantly being shut down or facing troubles, seizure or raided are the tourism / guide / sex / brothel ones, etc.

Anything remotely in that area you're guaranteed to eventually get set up or worse. Not preaching to anyone as we'll all grown to do what we want, so who cares?

Just some fun FYI, in a Latin jail you'll sleep on bare concrete, on the piss and who know what else on the floor, and let's not even imagine you're guaranteed on making a lover in there not by choice, his name is Papi Toto.

Lots and lots of fun is what you can look forward to.

[QUOTE=Rumpus;2745689]Stopped by the (original?) Absolut location on Cra. 16, near closing time on a recent Sunday.

The girl who answered the door was the one available, not sure if they have a line-up normally or if it's the kind of place where the next girl up takes the next customer.

She was 25 yo, heavy silicone up top, natural bottom. Pretty cute right around a 7. 5 depending on my mood. I saw 3-4 other girls around the property who were all 6. 5-7. 5. A couple of other customers.

She quoted several prices but massage + FS was 330 K. I think an hour, but there was no clock watching.

They have a pricing chart w / the add-on fees for using a credit card. It would have been 370 ish to use a card.

Pretty comfortable room with multiple mirrors so you can also watch the action. She actually started with a decent 10-15 minutes massage which I enjoy.

Multiple positions, but no kissing. Passive but not holding back.

Note the spa's Google Maps location is accurate. It's the unmarked building next to the restaurant.

Speaking of restaurants, now that you've worked up an appetite, one of Bogota's concentrations of dining is just a block or so away-- lots of options to make a night of it.

Not the cheapest and maybe I could have bargained, but easy is nice sometimes. Decision fatigue you know.

No complaints but wouldn't repeat at this price. But I would stop by Absolut again for the convenience.

I don't travel for the hobby much these days but though an actual report would do the forum good. Happy mongering.[/QUOTE]You went on one of the worst days for mongering (Sunday). If you'd have gone on a weekday you'd have found several girls in the "presentacion".

I went there on a Thursday night at about 6 PM and there were like 10 girls available. A couple of 8's and 9's.

Booked Isabella which was really good looking, a very well made breast surgery (doesn't look so fake as some I've seen in SF). At the end she told me to save her number to go out some day. I messaged her to go out the next day (Friday) but as usual with the colombians, she flaked.

After the fact, I found a very familiar picture (it was definitely her) in a prepagos website. And she was charging 650 k for 1 hour as a prepago. In absolute I paid 320 k for her.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2745156]I was on the south recently on a Friday night, in a date with a seeking girl. I wanted to go dancing and we went to a salsa club at 11 PM but it was totally empty. It was dissapointing. So we went out and saw a night club similar to those in SF and it had many working girls dancing with customers. Which seemed really fun, with a great vibe. I asked my date if she was ok going there and she said sure. Let's go inside!

The place name is Azafatas VIP and is located exactly here: [URL]https://goo.gl/maps/K2iXUcb6sQ3dwddt9[/URL].

My seeking date turned out to be a webcammer girl in the past. So she was not shy at all. She was very happy dancing together with the working girls and customers. Many men thought she worked there and kept asking for her rate. Everybody thought we were a couple.

Lap dance is 40.000. Sex for 15-20 minutes is 90.000.

There was one 22 yo, 170 cm tall, nice ass and natural tits venezuelan hottie who kept looking at us. I approached her and told her to come over and dance with us and she said she didn't want to because I was together with another girl. I told her she was not my girlfriend. She came when I bought her a Smirnoff beer (20.000). I also hired her for a lap dance. And in the end, fucked her. The rooms are very crappy I think SF rooms are a bit better.

After I fucked her I wanted to leave, it was already 3 AM but my seeking date didn't want to leave yet. So she called another working girl to come dance with me to keep me distracted. This was another level dance. And I ended up french kissing and tits / ass grabbing her while dancing and kissing. It worked well to keep me distracted to be honest.

We ended up staying until 6 AM when the place closed. It was great to see all the working girls in their regular clothes getting out to catch a bus to go home. I kissed goodbye to Jhoselyne, my venezuelan girl in her normal clothes and went home to sleep with the seeking girl.

Overall a great experience. In terms of quality of the girls and the rooms though, I think SF is a bit better. I only saw 2 working girls I'd pay to fuck. The club itself was much better than those in SF. And there were many more clubs in the same street, similar to SF too.[/QUOTE]That is a rather dangerous area to which many locals don't dear going. There have been plenty of reports in local news and local forums of people being drugged and robbed in those clubs. MO is similar: something is put on your drink that reduces your ability to say no. Is a tea or powder made with a local plant called borrachero (borracho=drunk) and the active ingredient is called escopolamina. Then anything can happen. There have been cases of people robbed of everything and left on the street or people taking on a trip to the ATM's or even a beating for not having much to be stolen from. Murders in the area are not uncommon.

Advice is: do not go alone, do not leave your drink unattended, do not bring expensive looking stuff.

You've clearly not thought about this or done any planning which is another reason why it will ultimately fail.

You mentioned previously that you want high end people (IE professionals with large disposable incomes) to frequent this "idea" but again how are you going to reach these people? Are you going round to their business and dropping of a card lmao? Are you sending them an email which will ultimately go to spam with your contact info? How actually are you going to come across these high end people without putting yourself in massive legal jeopardy? Are you buying their flight and getting their hotels? Are you expecting these people to just hand a complete stranger $$$ to arrange this? Do you regularly just hand over money to someone lmfao? Or wait. Did you plan to meet them to break the ice so they know you're a real person and you show up and get busted? When they're in Colombia are you meeting them there? So you're paying for your own flight down there too or are you charging these high income customers the cost of their flight and your flight? Or are you hiring someone to pick them up despite every common sense spidey alarm bell that goes off with every traveler when visiting Latin America of being told not to just go with a random guy that says I'm here to pick you up to take you to some girls. What if your "guy" doesn't show up to pick this customer up what are you going to do?? What happens when the flight gets delayed or cancelled? Who does the customer call?

What happens if you charge him all this money to arrange all that and he pays with a CC then to screw you over for doing something like this he disputes it for sex tourism and the CC company has your address and informs authorities? If he's down in Colombia and decides he doesn't like the trip and wants to cancel what you going to do? How much are you charging to even make this profitable? What's the benefit to someone just coming on here and buying airfare and hotel himself privately and anonymously to go on a sex trip that let's face it if it came out that your hypothetical dentist or doctor gets caught going to Colombia and paying your "tour company" his career is ruined.

All things to think about but Again, really dumb idea and it's clear you haven't put much thought into this or research and instead are hoping that others will do this for you. And kinda not wanting to be a jerk but it's clear you've not done much research of most things as you're on the Bogota forum asking how much girls are in Montreal when you only literally have to look at the 1st page of the Montreal forum here and you'll find loads of info. It's cool to ask questions but seriously take a bit of time to see if you can find an answer before asking dumb shit. I don't know why but that really pisses me off.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2745553]You are right, but to compline with the law. It's just a technical issue. 1) Tours to Bogota is one business. = security + woodman's excursions to SF, etc (but on high level scale). 2) The girls is another business. Example: the girls can be independent sellers on a website (as they work in SF or casas (no pimping).

Please comment, Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RyckII;2745813]That is a rather dangerous area to which many locals don't dear going. There have been plenty of reports in local news and local forums of people being drugged and robbed in those clubs. MO is similar: something is put on your drink that reduces your ability to say no. Is a tea or powder made with a local plant called borrachero (borracho=drunk) and the active ingredient is called escopolamina. Then anything can happen. There have been cases of people robbed of everything and left on the street or people taking on a trip to the ATM's or even a beating for not having much to be stolen from. Murders in the area are not uncommon.

Advice is: do not go alone, do not leave your drink unattended, do not bring expensive looking stuff.[/QUOTE]Most things I have ever heard about that place is negative from the druggings / robberies to the extortive touts-- I have never had any desire to go.

One reason probably is there is much less police presence than the downtown area.

Santa Fe has the same if not better girls.

And to the Dickhead who said grow a pair-- You Go-- Have Fun!!

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2745814]You've clearly not thought about this or done any planning which is another reason why it will ultimately fail.

You mentioned previously that you want high end people (IE professionals with large disposable incomes) to frequent this "idea" but again how are you going to reach these people? Are you going round to their business and dropping of a card lmao? Are you sending them an email which will ultimately go to spam with your contact info? How actually are you going to come across these high end people without putting yourself in massive legal jeopardy? Are you buying their flight and getting their hotels? Are you expecting these people to just hand a complete stranger $$$ to arrange this? Do you regularly just hand over money to someone lmfao? Or wait. Did you plan to meet them to break the ice so they know you're a real person and you show up and get busted? When they're in Colombia are you meeting them there? So you're paying for your own flight down there too or are you charging these high income customers the cost of their flight and your flight? Or are you hiring someone to pick them up despite every common sense spidey alarm bell that goes off with every traveler when visiting Latin America of being told not to just go with a random guy that says I'm here to pick you up to take you to some girls. What if your "guy" doesn't show up to pick this customer up what are you going to do?? What happens when the flight gets delayed or cancelled? Who does the customer call?

What happens if you charge him all this money to arrange all that and he pays with a CC then to screw you over for doing something like this he disputes it for sex tourism and the CC company has your address and informs authorities? If he's down in Colombia and decides he doesn't like the trip and wants to cancel what you going to do? How much are you charging to even make this profitable? What's the benefit to someone just coming on here and buying airfare and hotel himself privately and anonymously to go on a sex trip that let's face it if it came out that your hypothetical dentist or doctor gets caught going to Colombia and paying your "tour company" his career is ruined.

All things to think about but Again, really dumb idea and it's clear you haven't put much thought into this or research and instead are hoping that others will do this for you. And kinda not wanting to be a jerk but it's clear you've not done much research of most things as you're on the Bogota forum asking how much girls are in Montreal when you only literally have to look at the 1st page of the Montreal forum here and you'll find loads of info. It's cool to ask questions but seriously take a bit of time to see if you can find an answer before asking dumb shit. I don't know why but that really pisses me off.[/QUOTE]You are right. And I appreciate your post and your time. It's very helpful. I need your feedback. I need to know how Americans think because I am not one of them. Now I see that. Thanks to everyone who comment my post.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2745925]You are right. And I appreciate your post and your time. It's very helpful. I need your feedback. I need to know how Americans think because I am not one of them. Now I see that. Thanks to everyone who comment my post.[/QUOTE]Dude, it's not Americans you need to worry about. Every single post you make is like a 12 year old writing, which is why people prob shouldn't take you seriously. You just wrote a bunch of blogs about opening a biz in Colombia and now you're claiming you wanted to know how Americans think? You meant Colombians. And how Colombians think? Americans aren't the ones who's going to set you up, rob you or lock you up in Colombia LOL. Trolling or what?

See when people are full of crap they always get caught. There's a saying also that says when you lie you have to have a good memory, otherwise you soon slip up.

Busted! LMAOOOOOO.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2744722]Hi everyone,

I wonder, why people don't do something like " Bachelor trip" business"?

Considering:

1) The colombian prices for sex.

2) Girls attitude, low feminism level, age, etc. For a reasonable price you can see as many girls as you want.

3) I lived in Moscow, now in Toronto and well traveled. In my opinion, it's very hard to find colombian level of service in North America. If you need a quality girl+ age, her attitude, etc.

4) North America sites and casas: mostly high volume aged girls who look for local pappies with low expectations or the price is very high.

5) and by sex business I mean. , There are many professionals and self employed or business owners who are tiered to see their low quality feminist wives.

6) As we understand, some reach people can get more life / girl / sex experience in Santa Fe or around the city (3-5 days) than in their entire life. As soon as they get that eye opening experience some of them could become = long term clients.

7) Toronto, New York are long trips 6 hrs + trip to airport. 1000 $+ round trip, etc. But there is Miami, and south US cities. It's close and cheap flights. They have the same problems with good girls as everywhere in North America.

8) The trip could be organized as any business trip. For example; Seminar for dentist, realtors, etc + sex or tourist program. The clients can motivate their trip (family) and + its business expenses.

What is your opinion? Please text me to my PM.

And what do you think about locals and local authorities considering this type of business.

Please comment or send me your opinion on the mater.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Google that in Medellin. You will find at least a dozen companies. The tourists there have much more $ to spend then guys on ISG would. However NO ONE will mention sex tours. Woodman is so low profile he doesn't seem to attract any attention. Which IMHO means the Colombian morality police do not care about ISG in Bogota. Tours is a totally different subject. Licensed or freelance tour guides HATE having guys ask about sex tours in BOG. LOL.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2746159]Google that in Medellin. You will find at least a dozen companies. The tourists there have much more $ to spend then guys on ISG would. However NO ONE will mention sex tours. Woodman is so low profile he doesn't seem to attract any attention. Which IMHO means the Colombian morality police do not care about ISG in Bogota. Tours is a totally different subject. Licensed or freelance tour guides HATE having guys ask about sex tours in BOG. LOL.[/QUOTE]Almost forgot about Woodman on this one, nah he's fine in fact his type of tour isn't really consider a biz, it's like a friend w his hobby showing you around. No one would get in trouble for that, sex tour or not LOL this is nothing what he does.

Colombia and those types of countries only care when you open a brothel, posting and promoting on social media anything related to exploiting girls or sneaky pimping or tarnishing their country's name as a sex destination.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2746159]Google that in Medellin. You will find at least a dozen companies. The tourists there have much more $ to spend then guys on ISG would. However NO ONE will mention sex tours. Woodman is so low profile he doesn't seem to attract any attention. Which IMHO means the Colombian morality police do not care about ISG in Bogota. Tours is a totally different subject. Licensed or freelance tour guides HATE having guys ask about sex tours in BOG. LOL.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, I have a Good knowledge of the downtown area and sometimes we will walk through the Santa Fe area as a point of interest.

-- I also do tours of the federal and colonial areas. There are great places to find bargains on collectibles and leather goods. I Do Not promote prostitution.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2745995]Dude, it's not Americans you need to worry about. Every single post you make is like a 12 year old writing, which is why people prob shouldn't take you seriously. You just wrote a bunch of blogs about opening a biz in Colombia and now you're claiming you wanted to know how Americans think? You meant Colombians. And how Colombians think? Americans aren't the ones who's going to set you up, rob you or lock you up in Colombia LOL. Trolling or what?

See when people are full of crap they always get caught. There's a saying also that says when you lie you have to have a good memory, otherwise you soon slip up.

Busted! LMAOOOOOO.[/QUOTE]Good point, but please explain "How I can benefit from my "LIES"? I wish but have no idea. Please your input, I hope it will increase my income. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2746302]Good point, but please explain "How I can benefit from my "LIES"? I wish but have no idea. Please your input, I hope it will increase my income. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
The sex tours he seems to want start would be considered Pimping in Colombia and although Prostitution is legal, Pimping is not! It's a fine line you don't want to cross in Colombia and most Latin American countries for that matter. You don't want to be the one they grab and want to make an example of.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2746240]Just to clarify, I have a Good knowledge of the downtown area and sometimes we will walk through the Santa Fe area as a point of interest.

-- I also do tours of the federal and colonial areas. There are great places to find bargains on collectibles and leather goods. I Do Not promote prostitution.[/QUOTE]And knowledge of best coffee! Still the best I have had in Bogota.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2744728]"I know I'll go there once in my life" usually ends up being "I wish I had gone. ".


2. Atlanta to Bogota on Delta is a great flight. If I lived in Atlanta I'd be making the trip monthly, even though I prefer Medellin. Flights to Medellin are cheap, frequent and less than 1 hour. (More like a 3 hour flight, do not use Avianca!)

3. There are multiple clubs in the north of Bogota. They are expensive, especially for takeout, but they should meet your needs, if you're ready to spend $200-$300.

t.[/QUOTE]Are these North clubs on World T. Map? Because every time I looked. All I found was sub par talent. On SA I found very good looking / friendly girls for 600 cop after a lot of conversations. But there is nothing like La Isla in Bogota? Correct me if I am wrong. The escort sites do have hot girls but again it's a lot of work weeding thru the scams.

So I've seen in a few street concealed vids on YouTube the midget and I'm sure some ISG'er must've sessioned with her. Part of me is curious and part of me is thinking no way. But does anyone have any reports?

Happened to me the second time I went. The mistake I made was going alone.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2745813]That is a rather dangerous area to which many locals don't dear going. There have been plenty of reports in local news and local forums of people being drugged and robbed in those clubs. MO is similar: something is put on your drink that reduces your ability to say no. Is a tea or powder made with a local plant called borrachero (borracho=drunk) and the active ingredient is called escopolamina. Then anything can happen. There have been cases of people robbed of everything and left on the street or people taking on a trip to the ATM's or even a beating for not having much to be stolen from. Murders in the area are not uncommon.

Advice is: do not go alone, do not leave your drink unattended, do not bring expensive looking stuff.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2746990]So I've seen in a few street concealed vids on YouTube the midget and I'm sure some ISG'er must've sessioned with her. Part of me is curious and part of me is thinking no way. But does anyone have any reports?[/QUOTE]I have seen 2-3+ midgets-- I have not sessioned with any-- Also there is a on legged girl in another stroll on Calle 18 I have seen.

Good Luck with your Midget Quest.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2747005]Happened to me the second time I went. The mistake I made was going alone.[/QUOTE]What happened to you? You got scoped?

How do authorities feel about foreigners vacationing in Colombia for sex tourism? Will police target you to bribe you for money?

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2745740]
Promoting or even hinting sex tourism is only one of many potential problems.

I've seen it happen over and over, assets seized, deportation, and yes you're always guilty first and by the time you get a trial it's been 5 years in prison, if you survive that long in there. There are very well documented cases of this happening in.

DR, CR, COL, and it's funny cause there are successful foreign businesses like restaurants, stores, hotels, bars etc. I personally know many owners.

Whereas the ones that are constantly being shut down or facing troubles, seizure or raided are the tourism / guide / sex / brothel ones, etc.

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Very good informative post. I'm newbie here and may be visiting Bogota sometime soon. Can you find working girls in regular dance clubs? If so, what clubs in what area and what would be going rates for these girls? Any precautions I should take going that route? Thanks in advance for any info.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2744555]I'll just post one more reply to this as I'm not up to date with Atlanta nor do I have a lot of experience in Bogota but I wanted to point out that Bogota does not have USA style strip clubs. You don't actually have to pay for a table or certain tables require a bottle purchase, etc. It works nothing like that. You mention "safe" clubs. The clubs are safe so just go visit a bunch of them until you find a girl.

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Don't forget prostitution is legal in Colombia. While I was there, there were multiple groups of police around Santa Fe. Many right in front of the girls. I think it's odd to view this (for me at least) as I'm from the states and we have a backwards way of thinking about prostitution. But, there's not really anything they can pull you up for unless you're actually breaking a law. I get the impression, and I could be wrong, that the Colombian police unlike some Mexican border town police are not known for doing questionable "stops" or "threats to take you to the station" for bribes.

Obviously it's a different story at the airport. Again, it's not illegal but sex tourism is generally frowned upon, so it's not something that you're going to say to the immigration officer when you land in Colombia. "Yeah, I'm coming to shoot a load of cum over as many hot girls faces in Santa Fe" nor when you are coming back into the states as prostitution is illegal here. You should always have a plan as to what to say. So, know places that you plan to visit as a tourist, restaurants or food you'the like to try, shops that you want to go to, etc.

[QUOTE=JTTraviezo;2747330]How do authorities feel about foreigners vacationing in Colombia for sex tourism? Will police target you to bribe you for money?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JTTraviezo;2747330]How do authorities feel about foreigners vacationing in Colombia for sex tourism? Will police target you to bribe you for money?[/QUOTE]Most guys that come here is for sex.

For the most part-- they don't care-.

If you are smoking weed in public you may get shook down. If you stand out and act like an idiot you may get shook down.

I visited Bogota back in March 2021 which I know the report is more or less useless know but I mainly wanted to give a shoutout to world traveler and routard for those 3 excellent maps, they definitely made my trip. Although I will admit, I never even made it out of North.

It was a 3 week business trip and I more or less visited the massage parlors on the mezzanine on calle 104 & carrera 15 everyday during lunch. It was right down the road from my we work and hotel, and I could just walk there, get my rocks off and walk back without arising any suspicion from colleagues. Those massage girls did so much in those little rooms I was very impressed, they must have been desperate, and COVID must've been hard. I was so spoiled, I was spraying faces, doing multiple shots in the same short session, I even banged the Asian hostess LOL (I have no idea how she got there but she was the only one who spoke any English, and she offered, since I didn't speak any Spanish). I'm blanking on prices but it was cheaaaaapp I do remember that. I remember giving my fave girl a $20 USD tip each time she would take me to nirvana and she was SO happy. I never even made it past the second door but I banged pretty much every talent in the first 2 doors.

Aside from the mezzanine I went to two clubs. La Piscina del Norte and Pussy House. Spoiler alert, la piscine del norte seems to be closed now, unfortunately. On google maps it looks like they're building trendy, yuppie condos where the old building stood. Ill tell the story anyway for those who are interested.

It was late in the evening (possibly 10) when I grabbed a taxi down from calle 100 where I was staying at the NH collection. After the taxi dropped me off I walked around for like 15-20 min nervous as hell, circling past multiple clubs. I don't even think I had planned to go to la piscina del norte that night because I remember a report saying it was too expensive. There were guys in the streets who accosted me 'girls girls you want girls?' I just shook my head as if to say 'Me! Involved in such debauchery! Step aside my good man' . I eventually walked past what would turn out to be Piscina del Norte when a tiny, cute Latin spinner named Yulieta would pop her head outside the club door in the teensiest excuse for a skirt to yell something at the guy standing outside; we briefly made eye contact before she closed the door, but I got a look at the merchandise, and decided to man up and go get my carrot. I walked in and was greeted by a friendly, older gentleman. No Spanish? No problem! He clapped his hands twice and a row of over 30 women assembled into a straight line with cadet like efficiency. My heart switched with my penis which then traded places with my brain. For 15 seconds I felt like the most powerful man on earth. 60 eyeballs all staring at me, all awaiting my decision, I got to say boys, it was SO hard, at least half of them were lookers with at least 5-6 8+ . I eventually locked eyes with Yulieta, the girl I saw outside and there was a certain warmth and comfort that I felt, even though she wasn't technically the best 'stunner' I pointed to her without a shred of self-doubt. The manager sat us down at a table and I order us some drinks. I was the only one in the club other than the girls. We used google translate and got on surprisingly better than I thought. We were laughing, flirting, The body language made up for any language barriers. I was seated back against the wall facing the club she was sitting to the side turned towards me and I could see the whole club, all 29 pissed WG's staring DAGGERS at poor Yulieta. It strangely made me feel good, that I had that kinds of power, and that I (my money) was wanted so badly, and made me realize I may be slightly narcissistic LOL. We finish getting to know each other, discussing business (again I'm so sorry, but numbers are so hard to remember 18 months after the fact), taxi back to my hotel. She had beautiful fair skin, cute big brown eyes, Selina Gomez's button nose (she actually looked a lot like Selena Gomez in general), with a few freckles to accent each side, beautiful, perfectly shaped, soft Ccups. I'll spare you the details, I don't want to put romance novelists out of business, but it was incredible. She stayed the night, we did it again in the morning, grabbed her number, agreed to see her a few more more times, and boom, I had myself a Colombian GF for the next few weeks. We went up to Monseratte together, museums together, dinners, and of course lots of private time at hotels. I switched from NH collection to the BOG hotel halfway through my stay, and it was worth every penny. The BOG hotel showers are the best showers I have ever been in, there's a shower head on every wall of the shower and it's like getting sprayed down 360 degrees while making love to a beautiful Latina. I don't know how we clicked so well with the language barrier but I swear I was making her genuinely laugh using google translate. I remember one night we were talking on the balcony, and she said 'somos' trying to think of the rest of the sentence when I blurted out 'EXTREMOS' like that line from It's always Sunny in PHL when the gang kidnaps a Mexican family and gives them an extreme home makeover. She was in stitches for a good 3 minutes. In the end I feel kind of bad we got along so great maybe she was expecting something more, she constantly messaged me everyday after I left Colombia and would send me angry frowny emojis when I wouldn't respond in a timely manner. I eventually had to block her, I was looking for a good time, not a Colombian wife, sorry. She has a sister too. Senior members can PM me for their numbers, I just have to fire up Binance and transfer some crypto, it's been like 6 months I still have too much anxiety to check on my losses.

My second experience at PH was significantly different. I walked past the actual club to the building next door which turned out to be the rooms you can go up to with the women. The guy at the actual entrance next door whistles and smiles beckoning me over. Great. Right off the bat exposed as a noobie. I get seated by some aggressive staff and was brought a beer and nachos I didn't order. I asked for a menu with prices about a half dozen times and was ignored each time. The guys brought a girl and sat her at my table, Venezuelan, honestly not my type, nerdy, with glasses looking type. The guy came over and said I had to pay for the beer and the nachos. I said I didn't order the nachos / what if I wanted to order more beer. He said you can order more but you have to pay now, and the nachos are mandatory. I was pissed, but the prices at least weren't criminal and I wasn't going to get stabbed over $3. 50 nachos. There were half dozen other tables occupied, but they were all groups of locals. Girls were walking around and most were hanging in the back by the reception, but none tickled my fancy, significant step down in quality of girls compared to piscina. A stripper started the show in the little runway / pole thing in the middle of the club (which I was sat next to) and the stripper was SEXY. I don't think I looked away from the moment she got on stage. I saw her, I knew I wanted her, and nothing was going to stop me. She had a body, fellas. Fair skin, perfect natural breasts I would guess Dcup, and an ass so perfect she qualifies for PAWG executive platinum pro status. ZERO cellulose, just a tight wide moon. Meh face, lot of makeup, late 20's maybe even early 30's. I slipped a 50 K in between her panties and grabbed a nice cup of ass in my hands. I know in the US that would get you thrown out so fast but I didn't care, and neither did the bouncer who started to walk up but then backed off when he saw the blue color of the note I slipped in her underwear. I know fellas I can get laid 3 times over in Santa Fe for 50 k, and I'm sorry, I wanted her attention, and I got it. She smiled and mouthed gracias after receiving the note, finished here show for the masses, then came over to my table immediately. Told the Venezuelan to get lost. The Venezuelan was all moody the whole time the stripper was dancing like 'she has a nice body, huh?' 'like yeah she does, why are you still here? (Didn't) Negotiate, pay, I don't remember how much but I actually felt intimidated to take away their best dancer for the whole night so I opted for a quick fuck at the club itself. A guy led her and me out the club and next door where I initially tried to go in, up the stairs into a dingy little room. The guy tells me I need to pay for condoms, I already have condoms, back and forth, things start to tense up, I start yelling at him, he leaves. It's not a big amount he was asking for but I hate that shit. All the little extras they try to do on top. The girl is more worried then impressed, she quietly tells me that I should pay the guy after we finish. Again I'll spare you the details, but it was hands down the best ass I've ever had. Constant eye contact, even in doggy she was turned around looking at me, turns out I remind her of an ex. I'm ME but I look racially ambiguous, I always have people come up and start speaking Spanish to me in the states. We finish up, leave the room and there he is, standing at the doorway, hands held out like poor little Oliver Twist. I compromise by telling him that I'm not giving him any money, but I would give it to the girl as a tip (he probably took it from her later but idc, I wasn't handing him any money). She gives me her number and messages me that she works at a cafe during the day and that I should come visit her there as it is a much more relaxed atmosphere. I would've taken her up on her offer too but I woke up next day to the mayor of Bogota announcing a shut down of the city, called United changed my flight for that very night. Shame. Senior member can again get the digits once I make this subscription.

All in all I had an absolute blast in Colombia, solo, first time, zero Spanish. I'm in my early 30's on the short side with a dad bod too so don't even go there about oh well of course it's easy for a young looker to get laid. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful with the prices but I forgot so many prices is because it was so relatively affordable. I want to go back in February, I don't have anything booked yet but I researched that the weather is better in February and it is technically the low season so cheaper flights / hotels.

Went into one of the clubs on primero de mayo drunk and alone. I sit down and a girl is very pushy to order a bottle, so I did. Once we started drinking she kept trying to push me to drink more. Then I tried to leave and the front door guy said I can't leave because cops are outside. It's after hours at that point. Manager tells me to go back upstairs and wait. Moments later he said I can leave through the back door. I'm escorted to back and three dude attack and wrestle me to the ground. While they hold me down the girl grabbed everything from my pockets. The manager then comes in and tells the guys to lock me in one of the rooms. Minutes later they come in the room and they try to give me Gatorade. I said no. Knowing its been scoped. They keep trying almost force me to drink. But I don't budge. They eventually let me leave with 20 k for taxi. They stole 300 k and a cell phone and my belt. I got lucky. They could have knifed me or pulled a gun. The whole club was in on it. I went back to that area with some friend later that year. Went to the bigger clubs like Texas and can't remember the other name and had a great time during the hours of 10 pm. Mid-night. Moral of the story is don't go there alone and don't get drunk.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2747081]What happened to you? You got scoped?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2747416]Went into one of the clubs on primero de mayo drunk and alone. I sit down and a girl is very pushy to order a bottle, so I did. Once we started drinking she kept trying to push me to drink more. Then I tried to leave and the front door guy said I can't leave because cops are outside. It's after hours at that point. Manager tells me to go back upstairs and wait. Moments later he said I can leave through the back door. I'm escorted to back and three dude attack and wrestle me to the ground. While they hold me down the girl grabbed everything from my pockets. The manager then comes in and tells the guys to lock me in one of the rooms. Minutes later they come in the room and they try to give me Gatorade. I said no. Knowing its been scoped. They keep trying almost force me to drink. But I don't budge. They eventually let me leave with 20 k for taxi. They stole 300 k and a cell phone and my belt. I got lucky. They could have knifed me or pulled a gun. The whole club was in on it. I went back to that area with some friend later that year. Went to the bigger clubs like Texas and can't remember the other name and had a great time during the hours of 10 pm. Mid-night. Moral of the story is don't go there alone and don't get drunk.[/QUOTE]Wow-- I really want to go there-.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2747350]Don't forget prostitution is legal in Colombia...

Obviously it's a different story at the airport. Again, it's not illegal but sex tourism is generally frowned upon, so it's not something that you're going to say to the immigration officer when you land in Colombia. "Yeah, I'm coming to shoot a load of cum over as many hot girls faces in Santa Fe" nor when you are coming back into the states as prostitution is illegal here. You should always have a plan as to what to say.[/QUOTE]I am always going to Colombia to visit my Ex-wife. And always get profiled. Returning from Cali then demanded to x-ray my stomach, thinking I was a drug mule.

[QUOTE=JTTraviezo;2747330]How do authorities feel about foreigners vacationing in Colombia for sex tourism? Will police target you to bribe you for money?[/QUOTE]Don't go around telling the authorities you're there for sex tourism and you'll probably be fine. It starts at the airport when they ask the purpose of your visit. Instead of blurting out "I'm here to fuck hookers," just respond "turismo."

[QUOTE=JTTraviezo;2747330]How do authorities feel about foreigners vacationing in Colombia for sex tourism? Will police target you to bribe you for money?[/QUOTE]First how do authorities know you're coming there for sex tourism? Majority of people going to col are families visiting, even some gringos have wives and gfs there, businesses, or even live there etc. So while some can assume, no one knows why you travel nor cares and even if you're asked why the fck would you say you're there for sex, why not just say "vacation"? Also someone already replied prostitution is fully legal and regulated there. Even cops will guide you to find brothels if you're loss, this wasnt the topic being discussed, was more about promoting and posting Colombia as a sex destination etc that they don't want or pimping.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2747350]Don't forget prostitution is legal in Colombia. While I was there, there were multiple groups of police around Santa Fe. Many right in front of the girls. I think it's odd to view this (for me at least) as I'm from the states and we have a backwards way of thinking about prostitution. But, there's not really anything they can pull you up for unless you're actually breaking a law. I get the impression, and I could be wrong, that the Colombian police unlike some Mexican border town police are not known for doing questionable "stops" or "threats to take you to the station" for bribes.

Obviously it's a different story at the airport. Again, it's not illegal but sex tourism is generally frowned upon, so it's not something that you're going to say to the immigration officer when you land in Colombia. "Yeah, I'm coming to shoot a load of cum over as many hot girls faces in Santa Fe" nor when you are coming back into the states as prostitution is illegal here. You should always have a plan as to what to say. So, know places that you plan to visit as a tourist, restaurants or food you'the like to try, shops that you want to go to, etc.[/QUOTE]Prostitution is only legal in the "zona de tolerancia" in SantaFe area. In fact, the attitude of the police towards prostitution depends very much on the orders of the politician ruling the city. A few years ago a major was very much against prostitution and they made a raid on the mezzanines in street 104. They charged a few of the guys taking "services" in there with "induction to prostitution" which is declared a felony according to article 213 of the criminal code. The police kindly invited some tv news stations to the raid and some of the guys were seen handcuffed and taken out half dressed into police vans. They covered their faces though. It was a shit show. Now the Major doesn't care much about prostitution as long as no minors are involved. However being the crazy woman she is, this could really change anytime. I am not saying this will happen, just wanted to point out that prostitution is not 100% legal in Colombia.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2747615]Prostitution is only legal in the "zona de tolerancia" in SantaFe area. In fact, the attitude of the police towards prostitution depends very much on the orders of the politician ruling the city. A few years ago a major was very much against prostitution and they made a raid on the mezzanines in street 104. They charged a few of the guys taking "services" in there with "induction to prostitution" which is declared a felony according to article 213 of the criminal code. The police kindly invited some tv news stations to the raid and some of the guys were seen handcuffed and taken out half dressed into police vans. They covered their faces though. It was a shit show. Now the Major doesn't care much about prostitution as long as no minors are involved. However being the crazy woman she is, this could really change anytime. I am not saying this will happen, just wanted to point out that prostitution is not 100% legal in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Your info is partially inaccurate. Laws in Colombia arent determined by the Mayors nor varies by municipalities. The mayors or city controlled authorities regulate the Brothels and "tolerance zones" which they can operate in, and also enforces various activities to diminish pimping, trafficking, child sex, etc. Trafficking statutes (Law 985) in Col is federal, and punishment is 13-23 yrs for minor exploitation which is the main focus.

As for prostitution itself, it is fully legal in Colombia, period. If a brothel is operating without proper licenses or in non-auth zones, they can detain or fine all workers including customers, so research and read more carefully on that newstory you wrote, has nothing to do with the practice of illegal prostitution in Col.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2747416]Went into one of the clubs on primero de mayo drunk and alone. I sit down and a girl is very pushy to order a bottle, so I did. Once we started drinking she kept trying to push me to drink more. Then I tried to leave and the front door guy said I can't leave because cops are outside. It's after hours at that point. Manager tells me to go back upstairs and wait. Moments later he said I can leave through the back door. I'm escorted to back and three dude attack and wrestle me to the ground. While they hold me down the girl grabbed everything from my pockets. The manager then comes in and tells the guys to lock me in one of the rooms. Minutes later they come in the room and they try to give me Gatorade. I said no. Knowing its been scoped. They keep trying almost force me to drink. But I don't budge. They eventually let me leave with 20 k for taxi. They stole 300 k and a cell phone and my belt. I got lucky. They could have knifed me or pulled a gun. The whole club was in on it. I went back to that area with some friend later that year. Went to the bigger clubs like Texas and can't remember the other name and had a great time during the hours of 10 pm. Mid-night. Moral of the story is don't go there alone and don't get drunk.

.[/QUOTE]I already wasn't much of a club guy, but you have given me a whole new reason (besides it being a ripoff) not to visit the clubs. I will stick to the streets LOL.

I remember when I was in bogotá I want to say like February of 2021 and alot of those clubs were closed due to covid. And I think you were only supposed to be outside on certain days I can't remember, but anyways I think alot of those club girls were working the street. One particular corner (I think where hotel J Vargas is) had like 80 girls all posted on the one corner. I remember it was amazing.

I personally don't like the clubs tho. I never understood what was so great about getting ripped off on drinks and shit, if I want to drink I get the cheap bottle of tequila at D1, if I want to fuck I go get a 30 k street girl. If I'm paying extra it's for extras, why would I want to pay more for less just because it is inside a club?

But thanks for sharing this story. And f*ck the clubs.

Planning a visit in about a month. Is it just me or has the quality of SA girls in Bogota gone down in the last year? I haven't upgraded to premium yet, could it be that a lot of the girls keep their profile hidden to basic members? Is that even a thing? Also looking for suggestions for clubs / massage / casas in Chapinero, Teusaquillo, and Usaquen. Last year I wasted a bunch of time going to places on the map only to find they were closed or maybe I just couldn't find them. Basically I'm just looking for some somewhat recent intel on what's decent north of Santa Fe. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2747648]I personally don't like the clubs tho. I never understood what was so great about getting ripped off on drinks and shit, if I want to drink I get the cheap bottle of tequila at D1, if I want to fuck I go get a 30 k street girl. If I'm paying extra it's for extras, why would I want to pay more for less just because it is inside a club?[/QUOTE]Because some guys like a fun party atmosphere and are willing to pay for that, while other guys like me and you are focusing on fucking. There was a BM in Thailand that would go out to the clubs every night and spend a couple hundred dollars on drinks then over $100 for the girl. I had always said you could fuck those same girls for $30 without the club. Everybody swore it was impossible.

My question was where are those so-called stunners in the daytime. Are they locked up in a dungeon and only take a secret tunnel every night to get to the clubs? Nope. Those are the same chicks you see walking around in the daytime and in the street with pajamas on going to get food before work.

Well during the pandemic the clubs were shut down so he resorted to the apps. And who did he hook up with on the app for $30? One of the same club chicks that he had paid 5 times that before. The difference was that she was not club-ready or in the club. He complained that she was dressed in pajamas and had a baseball cap on when she came over. Yeah but like I said they are the same damn girls. He then came to the conclusion that it was the party atmosphere in the club that does it for him.

While we were hanging out another board member posed the question if we would rather fuck an ugly chick or a pretty trans. I said that well since I am into chicks and not dudes then of course the ugly chick. Both of them said they would fuck the pretty trans. Beauty is subjective, but it is pretty conventional what a dude and a chick are. Yeah, I am going to take the ugly chick every time over the subjectively pretty dude. Not everybody thinks she is ugly, but everybody knows he is a dude.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2747824]While we were hanging out another board member posed the question if we would rather fuck an ugly chick or a pretty trans. I said that well since I am into chicks and not dudes then of course the ugly chick. Both of them said they would fuck the pretty trans. Beauty is subjective, but it is pretty conventional what a dude and a chick are. Yeah, I am going to take the ugly chick every time over the subjectively pretty dude. Not everybody thinks she is ugly, but everybody knows he is a dude.[/QUOTE]To this I say thank God life isn't full of only either / or propositions! Plenty of other choices to be had LOL!

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2747647]Your info is partially inaccurate. Laws in Colombia arent determined by the Mayors nor varies by municipalities. The mayors or city controlled authorities regulate the Brothels and "tolerance zones" which they can operate in, and also enforces various activities to diminish pimping, trafficking, child sex, etc. Trafficking statutes (Law 985) in Col is federal, and punishment is 13-23 yrs for minor exploitation which is the main focus.

As for prostitution itself, it is fully legal in Colombia, period. If a brothel is operating without proper licenses or in non-auth zones, they can detain or fine all workers including customers, so research and read more carefully on that newstory you wrote, has nothing to do with the practice of illegal prostitution in Col.[/QUOTE]You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2747910]You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.[/QUOTE]Looks like we are back to the Uber argument again. Some say it is legal because it exists and is somewhat widespread. Others say no, it is just tolerated and a gray area.

[QUOTE=Talkyes;2747705]Planning a visit in about a month. Is it just me or has the quality of SA girls in Bogota gone down in the last year? [/QUOTE]I figured out what's going on. I had Bogota as a saved location for the search but when I did a new search and typed Bogota, I got way more results. Not sure why, must be a bug or something. Anyone using the saved location or main location feature is severely limiting their options.

Not a legal scholar but I'm not sure where T-629/10 said that prostitution is neither legal or illegal. The case in summary was from a prostitute that was fired by the bar where she worked because she was pregnant (a bit more complicated than this as it was a high risk pregnancy but anyways). In trying to receive basically unemployment assistance from the Ministry of Social Protection after being fired she was denied as the bar did not provide a reason for her dismissal. She filed suit against the bar for damages. The lower court said that the employment contract was illegal between the woman and the bar. However, the constitutional court which ultimately has control said that prostitution is a lawful activity in Colombia provided certain things are followed (primarily that it is of her own free will among other things. If anything this proved above all that prostitution is legal. As far as whether it's in zones of tolerance I don't know the specifics but just wanted to make it clear that prostitution is legal and it is not a gray area. This ruling reiterates that.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2747910]You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2747647]Your info is partially inaccurate. Laws in Colombia arent determined by the Mayors nor varies by municipalities. The mayors or city controlled authorities regulate the Brothels and "tolerance zones" which they can operate in, and also enforces various activities to diminish pimping, trafficking, child sex, etc. Trafficking statutes (Law 985) in Col is federal, and punishment is 13-23 yrs for minor exploitation which is the main focus.

As for prostitution itself, it is fully legal in Colombia, period. If a brothel is operating without proper licenses or in non-auth zones, they can detain or fine all workers including customers, so research and read more carefully on that newstory you wrote, has nothing to do with the practice of illegal prostitution in Col.[/QUOTE]There is a problem, any law and any country, if they close you in 48+ hours is the cell, you will start to behave / think differently about what you think in terms " I am a cool guy" it s just a human psychology.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2747910]You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.[/QUOTE]We can go back and forth and you're still 100% wrong.

[QUOTE=RyckII;2747910]You are wrong. Prostitution is not legal. There is a lack of regulation and it is not fully legal as the job the of prostitutes is not recognized as a liberal profession. There are plenty of rules from the supreme court on the matter. If you are so interested go and read ruling T-629/10. In there it is well explained that it is not legal but also not ilegal. Prostitutes and customers are protected only in the tolerance areas. Elsewhere both could be fined.[/QUOTE]I'm not interested in anything, burden lies on you to prove your claim to everyone for the wrong info you're posting, since you're coming up with it, not sure what purpose it serves. I'll stay busy fucking the working girls while you masturbate and debate yourself, deal? (sorry, accident rhyme).

There are some people unfortunately that you can stamp facts on their foreheads by smacking it there and they'll still won't get it.

I don't argue or debate facts or laws, it'd be absurd. If two people can read 1+1 = 2 and they must debate the result of "2", then it's clear one of them simply didn't read it or has a learning or comprehension disability. So a pointless debate.

Colombia has a clear history even written in plain English online, yes usually court is split just like anywhere, and even if you never traveled you can learn about its laws and practices. Prostitution is legal in Colombia and hundreds of thousands of local take part of it, incl the police. There were events few yrs back in Bogota where the metro police arrested sex workers and clients due to various reasons, causing these rumors, fake news and misunderstanding. The laws were written however sex workers along side many other groups were left out for proper protection, and those had to be rewritten after the 2010 court ruling, they had to amend it in 2015, and also in 2019 - I don't like posting specific sources since not writing a journal, anyone should be able to do their own research if it matters. You won't see police harass sex workers or discriminating against various groups like people living with HIV, which was another problem in Colombia and was part of the same ruling. The mayors can regulate local municipalities and enforce brothels in proper zonas, etc. But the practice of prostitution itself is legal. Regulation T-629 of 2010 had absolutely nothing to do w making prostitution illegal, it was to address various gray areas of law, even abortion rights clarification was included.

Show me specific laws in Colombia from court pages that Specifically says Prostitution is illegal in Colombia, or even partially illegal like in Canada, or Please STFU.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2747934]I figured out what's going on. I had Bogota as a saved location for the search but when I did a new search and typed Bogota, I got way more results. Not sure why, must be a bug or something. Anyone using the saved location or main location feature is severely limiting their options.[/QUOTE]I have no issues using the saved search. It is easy to override your saved search and I suspect that might be the issue that you were seeing. For me, the quality of SA girls there are just superb and selections plentiful. However, one needs to be aware that many of these girls have regular jobs and in my case, most are still in college. Their schedules and availabilities may sometimes be hard to fit into a typical schedule like ours.

Hint: If one does not hear back from them on that day of the meet, regardless of what has been scheduled earlier, then the meet is not going to happen. Then plan accordingly and always have a backup. Sometimes, I might double or even triple book my meet with different girls for the same day, and will cancel or reschedule on the others with excuses once I am very certain one of them will turn up.

Should point out that the original court (63rd municipal criminal court of Bogota) where I'm guessing you may have came up with the idea that prostitution is neither legal or illegal and so sits in a gray area specifically stated that prostitution is not a crime. What caused the decision to be taken up by Colombia's constitutional court has to do with the employment rights of a prostitute. The municipal judge denied the plaintiff based on prostitution being legal but as it is illicit and against good customs then it does not afford employment protections that are given to a worker that is not a prostitute.

In hearing the case, the constitutional court had to decide on the legal status of prostitution and in doing so specifically went into how sex workers operate as well as the modals of where sex workers work, the importance of a sex worker basically working in this field of her own free will, that businesses (brothels) and other workers in those businesses are also protected and set up guidelines for differences between legal and illegal prostitution. Illegal prostitution are the things we all would think of as being illegal. Child prostitution, prostitution as a result of human trafficking, forced or coercion into prostitution, etc etc you get the idea.

In doing this, the constitution court revoked the ruling of the municipal court (as well as some sections from an appeals court that agreed with the municipal court in regards to employment law) as well as a number of things that allows prostitutes to access social services, workers benefits and compensations and in theory allows the formation of a sex workers union.

The case can sometimes be confused because there are 2 different things happening from the municipal court. The first is the issue of prostitution and the 2nd is the issue of employment law for prostitutes. The employment law is the primary part that the original municipal court had the issue with.

Hopefully this clears up the whole prostitution is neither legal or illegal as it is legal (provided it's not doing sh*t like child, human trafficking, coercion, etc). If you want specific legal references pm me because I'm not going to list them all here. Just don't want this to turn into a screwed up Uber argument again. Bored yet? LOL.

Looking for a hotel that will hold the ID of the guest while she is in my room and then check up on me after she leaves. Four Points By Sheraton Bogota used to do this a few years back, but I don't know if they are still doing it.

Been to Colimbia several times. It's been about 6 months. I have one question. Are the Venezuelan girls going back home now that Colombia has a leftist regime who is Maduro friendly? Is it still worth going?

There is SO much moronic mindless banter on this web site. The purpose if the web site has been abandoned.

I just want accurate information about the current scene. I don't care about.

The rest of your BS. Thanks for any help.

[QUOTE=W20415;2748201]Been to Colimbia several times. It's been about 6 months. I have one question. Are the Venezuelan girls going back home now that Colombia has a leftist regime who is Maduro friendly? Is it still worth going?

There is SO much moronic mindless banter on this web site. The purpose if the web site has been abandoned.

I just want accurate information about the current scene. I don't care about.

The rest of your BS. Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]Venezuelans were in Colombia for economic survival not political reasons, for the most part. If the economic situation in Venezuela improves I'm sure most will go back there.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2748209]Venezuelans were in Colombia for economic survival not political reasons, for the most part. If the economic situation in Venezuela improves I'm sure most will go back there.[/QUOTE]Actually they claim to be going to the US.

[QUOTE=W20415;2748201]...Is it still worth going?

...I just want accurate information about the current scene...[/QUOTE]Definitely still worth coming-- I don't see girls leaving. There's some new ones every week. Good Luck.

First time in Colombia and doing some paperwork. I'm mainly into street action and unicorns hunting so Sante Fe looks likes the right place to start. I'm also doing my best to improve some spanish and I was watching a SW talking about the barrio and getting all the Intelligent togheter I was coming to the conclusion that area around calle 23 to troya club is relatively safe day and night but can you have a drink / rest in one of the bars around? Or maybe there is a day time club with girls where you can just chill out and chatting. I'm asking this becouse in Sihanukville, Cambodia, was not quite right for a foreign to sit in a bar not used to extraneros).

South of calle 22 there are trans and south 19 is basically war zone (barrio la favorita). Did I get it right?

Also, how do the cops go about small amount of weed let's say 10 grams? What would be a reasonable tea tip for a gringo, how many cop?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=W20415;2748201]
There is SO much moronic mindless banter on this web site. The purpose if the web site has been abandoned.
[/QUOTE]Someone had to say it. You have to go through so many pages just to find something resembing a report. People also get flack for asking questions that have been answered, like "try reading the fucking forum". Ok well maybe I would read it more if it were less bloated with nonsense.

If you watch videos of santa fe on youtube, it seems like the quality has gone down significantly as of late. Can't say for sure as I haven't been in a year but just an observation. Anyone else care to confirm or refute?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2748219]Actually they claim to be going to the US.[/QUOTE]I know 3 that have made it. 2 Venezuelans from Colombia said they just went to Mexico and they were let into the USA. One is in Louisiana and the other is in Tennessee now.

Hey everyone. Just wanted your input. I have 3 weeks off for vacation in December, Dec. 17 to Jan. 7. Was planning on staying in Bogota for a week then headed elsewhere. I've been to the se asia seen and now want to try my hand on some latinas since I had a good time in Houston, tex.

I have read the inputs and still am narrowing down my hotels in Bogota but I was just wondering if I should stay longer than a week or is a week just enough and should venture elsewhere?

Also if any of you guys know some good golf courses around it would be appreciated. Planning on golfing during the day and visiting the scene at night.

Would also like to have a tour from woodman if he could dm me. Or I guess I will, LOL. Looking forward to the trip.

Also I have been using the babbel ap everyday to get my taco bell spanish up a bit. Hopefull it helps.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2748263]...I was coming to the conclusion that area around calle 23 to troya club is relatively safe day and night but can you have a drink / rest in one of the bars around? Or maybe there is a day time club with girls where you can just chill out and chatting. I'm asking this becouse in Sihanukville, Cambodia, was not quite right for a foreign to sit in a bar not used to extraneros).

South of calle 22 there are trans and south 19 is basically war zone (barrio la favorita). Did I get it right?

Also, how do the cops go about small amount of weed let's say 10 grams? What would be a reasonable tea tip for a gringo, how many cop?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are 2 strolls (See Map Att) south Stroll is south of Calle21-- It is a little less expensive but some hot girls there-- All SGs there-- Both strolls are fine for most guys in terms of safety.

On the fringe of the strolls are trannies -- they do infiltrate too-- There is a big trannie area south of Calle 22 on Cr 16-.

The north stroll starts on Calle 22-to Calle 24-.

I smoke weed there-- I always just carry 1 joint and take hits when safe to. Cops only care about weed if you are a gringo-- I have had to pay 50 mil before-.

About the Map-- both strolls are on the left-- the large pink rectangle is a good area to stay also below and above the rectangle are good too.

[QUOTE=RobanRoban;2748307]Hey everyone. Just wanted your input. I have 3 weeks off for vacation in December, Dec. 17 to Jan. 7. Was planning on staying in Bogota for a week then headed elsewhere. I've been to the se asia seen and now want to try my hand on some latinas since I had a good time in Houston, tex.

I have read the inputs and still am narrowing down my hotels in Bogota but I was just wondering if I should stay longer than a week or is a week just enough and should venture elsewhere?

Also if any of you guys know some good golf courses around it would be appreciated. Planning on golfing during the day and visiting the scene at night.

Would also like to have a tour from woodman if he could dm me. Or I guess I will, LOL. Looking forward to the trip.

Also I have been using the babbel ap everyday to get my taco bell spanish up a bit. Hopefull it helps.[/QUOTE]Around Christmas / New years it is slower for chicas in Colombia-- if you can make some connections on the 17th-20th for the holidays, do it.

Try Pimsleur for Espanol.

There is a big country club in the north-- I don't know anymore than that.

You must up your level on this site to receive PMs-- I should be available-.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=RobanRoban;2748307]Hey everyone. Just wanted your input. I have 3 weeks off for vacation in December, Dec. 17 to Jan. 7. Was planning on staying in Bogota for a week then headed elsewhere. I've been to the se asia seen and now want to try my hand on some latinas since I had a good time in Houston, tex.

I have read the inputs and still am narrowing down my hotels in Bogota but I was just wondering if I should stay longer than a week or is a week just enough and should venture elsewhere?

Also if any of you guys know some good golf courses around it would be appreciated. Planning on golfing during the day and visiting the scene at night.

Would also like to have a tour from woodman if he could dm me. Or I guess I will, LOL. Looking forward to the trip.

Also I have been using the babbel ap everyday to get my taco bell spanish up a bit. Hopefull it helps.[/QUOTE]Unless you have a few contacts you can call during that time.

Some good courses in Colombia.

[URL]https://www.top100golfcourses.com/golf-courses/central-and-south-america/colombia[/URL] another plus to playing golf on a good course is they all have Caddies available and they work for practically nothing, I always tip them well

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2748272]Someone had to say it. You have to go through so many pages just to find something resembing a report. People also get flack for asking questions that have been answered, like "try reading the fucking forum". Ok well maybe I would read it more if it were less bloated with nonsense.

If you watch videos of santa fe on youtube, it seems like the quality has gone down significantly as of late. Can't say for sure as I haven't been in a year but just an observation. Anyone else care to confirm or refute?[/QUOTE]I have been in Bogota this summer and I eventually shortened my stay. I had a very good time there during years but for whatever reasons I found myself this summer surrounded by a significantly lower quality of talents if I compare to what I used to see in the past years. I visited all the well known places from north to south and I have been disappointed. I now looking for new territories of sex adventures as I m not sure I will go back to bog soon. Any suggestions welcome.

[QUOTE=RobanRoban;2748307]Hey everyone. Just wanted your input. I have 3 weeks off for vacation in December, Dec. 17 to Jan. 7. Was planning on staying in Bogota for a week then headed elsewhere. I've been to the se asia seen and now want to try my hand on some latinas since I had a good time in Houston, tex.

I have read the inputs and still am narrowing down my hotels in Bogota but I was just wondering if I should stay longer than a week or is a week just enough and should venture elsewhere?[/QUOTE]It depends what you want. Bogota has the biggest scene. Medellin has the best looking women. Cartagena has a great party scene but the women want the most $ there. I have not played that top golf course in Cartagena but I have seen it from the plane, and it is beautiful. Weather in Cartagena is like Florida, and I would rather play golf there than Bogota which has a climate kind of like San Francisco in the summer time.

WGs are WGs, but the average woman in Bogota is much more serious IMO than elsewhere. It is where I met my gal, and you are going to find a lot more professional women and students there than anywhere else. Thing is the altitude, weather, and pollution are downers for me. I think it is the best city for a sugar baby or real GF type.

Medellin has women like Miami. They are not as friendly as Bogota and are hustlers. The temperature is nice, but there can be a lot of rain. Medellin probably has the best looking women at the best price but I found the women in Bogota to be friendlier and more down to earth. If you want to fuck as much of the best looking strange at the lowest price, that is where you want to go. I met someone there and dated her like a GF. Thing is there is such a materialistic vibe in the city some women like the one I met went out of her way to prove she was anything but a materialistic WG. Maybe it is me, but Medellin was never as good as everyone said in my experience. The women in Medellin are like strippers IMO. They may look good and fuck good but there was always something wrong with them.

If you want a warmer town with hot women and a cheaper price, then you should go to Barranquilla. There is not much to see or do there, but the few women I had there were among the best I had.

Because I had my gal and did not have to look for women, we settled in Cartagena. If you have a woman in hand, I think it has the best combination of fun and climate in Colombia. The women there want more than other cities but they are gorgeous.

How I did Colombia was looking on seeking for more longer term, more intimate affairs. So I would go on seeking, head to Bogota and find a girl (or girls) I liked and then take her / them to a warmer climate. I almost always would be fucking them bare and we would have a ball. Almost every woman I met in Bogota was dying to go somewhere warm for a few days. It is cheap to fly in country and taking these women to San Andreas, Cartagena, or Santa Marta IMO was cheap and just a blast. San Andreas is a tiny island Colombia owns off the coast of Nicaragua, and it has the beaches and warm sunny climate you would expect to find in the Caribbean.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2748272]If you watch videos of santa fe on youtube, it seems like the quality has gone down significantly as of late. Can't say for sure as I haven't been in a year but just an observation. Anyone else care to confirm or refute?[/QUOTE]Was there about a month ago. Personally I liked the quality there but it's also my 1st time there with very limited time to explore the area. As always beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I found that it beat Tijuana easily. If you're into the thicker girls there were plenty ranging in age from what looks like 19/20 and up. Plenty of big booty young girls if that's your thing. For me I like the slim, petite, young, girl next door look and found quite a few I'm hoping to visit back with when I'm down there next in a few weeks time. Kick myself for not taking one of two girls up. One was a slim, skinny legged one, about 5 ft, cute face but looked a bit older (late 20's) on the corner of cr15 and Calle 23. I've seen her in a couple of videos. Another was a similar figure and height but looked no older than 20 in a tight dress that accentuated some petite tits on the next corner up. In the clubs I only tried out Troya and Paisas very early evening so not much going on. One was great one day with some cute, tiny, young girls of which a guy took 2 up for a threesome. The next day the other club was better where I took a blonde, tall, slim Vennie up and cummed in her mouth after fucking and dining on that tight pussy.

Either way I'll let you know on the situation with some hopefully good reports when I get back.

Hey all I'm new here but I've been on the sister site USsexguide for years. I'm taking my first international trip and I need a little advice to help me finish planning. In exchange I will write up my 5 day adventure and give back to the community.

1. What is the best way to lodge while in Bogota? I've been looking for a girl friendly hotels located close to SF. I'm having no luck finding those easily. That search brought me here. It seems an alternative maybe getting an Air bnb and then maybe using the love hotels to meet the women. I would be very appreciative if anyone could share there experience on this or recommendations of a good place to stay.

2. Is their anyway to get in touch with Woodman about his tour without a subscription? Sounds like a knowledgeable guy with a hustle I can respect. I just don't want to go through the hassle of paying 25 dollars to send 2 or 3 messages.

3. Does anyone know how these women usually feel about being videoed? Best case scenario I can video document the action that happens in my room.

I know new guys don't always get help so I would really really appreciate help SPECIFICALLY with my first question. I'm really looking forward to this trip, and I already plan to keep a diary of the events. I'd happily transcribe that info here later for a little help now.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749038]Hey all I'm new here but I've been on the sister site USsexguide for years. I'm taking my first international trip and I need a little advice to help me finish planning. In exchange I will write up my 5 day adventure and give back to the community.

1. What is the best way to lodge while in Bogota? I've been looking for a girl friendly hotels located close to SF. I'm having no luck finding those easily. That search brought me here. It seems an alternative maybe getting an Air bnb and then maybe using the love hotels to meet the women. I would be very appreciative if anyone could share there experience on this or recommendations of a good place to stay.

2. Is their anyway to get in touch with Woodman about his tour without a subscription? Sounds like a knowledgeable guy with a hustle I can respect. I just don't want to go through the hassle of paying 25 dollars to send 2 or 3 messages.

3. Does anyone know how these women usually feel about being videoed? Best case scenario I can video document the action that happens in my room.

I know new guys don't always get help so I would really really appreciate help SPECIFICALLY with my first question. I'm really looking forward to this trip, and I already plan to keep a diary of the events. I'd happily transcribe that info here later for a little help now.[/QUOTE]Congrats on taking your first step. If you've been on USASG for years you know a bit. One bit you know is that everyone has their own way of doing this. A strip club guy might not enjoy the Asian massage parlors. A street-walker guy isn't looking for high dollar escorts. Knowing your preferences will help people give you better answers.

If you are already comfortable speaking Spanish, things will be much easier, but you can still get by without it. I'm going to answer assuming you know very little Spanish.

1. For your first trip go with a hotel. There's less chance for confusion and you'll have additional security. The biggest issue is where to stay. Hotel Ibis Bogota Museo has long been reported as girl friendly and it's close to Santa Fe (and the downtown museums for tourist stuff). However, downtown at night might be scary for you (it was for me my first trip). It's a lot less fun if you're afraid to leave your hotel at night (Note to others: Perception for a newbie isn't necessarily a reflection of reality). Another option is to stay north, around Parque 93 or even further north and the culture shock will be less.

You might want to start with a hotel in the north for the first 2 nights. After checking your comfort level in Santa Fe you can decide whether to stay put or move closer to the action.

2. Pay the $25. It's worth it and there's a good chance more trips will be in your future. It's also more productive than walking around Santa Fe shouting "Woodman. ".

3. It depends on the girl. Many will not allow it. Some will allow it if you pay more. If you're considering trying to secretly video girls in your room, don't. The potential consequences of getting caught outweigh any benefit.

Santa Fe may not be for you. For some guys it's a scary place. It's a good idea to have a backup plan (which is why starting out in the north is something I recommend). Here are a few options:

1. The mezzanine. It's more of an AMP kind of setup, with really small tables. You'll probably get overcharged, but the price is still reasonable.

2. Massage Parlors. There are many in Chapinero and Fontibon that offer a good selection and good service for a decent price. Again, they operate similar to US massage parlors.

3. Strip clubs. In the north they're expensive, much cheaper in Santa Fe. Rooms are available.

One last note. Service in Colombian restaurants is awful by US standards. You will be seated and brought a menu. After that, if you want anything, you'll need to get the attention of a waiter. Usually, waving your hand while making eye contact works. If you want to order food or drinks, wave for a waiter. If you need more napkins, wave for a waiter. If you need a refill, ketchup, or the check, wave for a waiter. If you're on fire and need someone to put you out, wave for a waiter. Otherwise you will not be seeing a waiter.

When you ask for the check you will be asked if you want to include the tip. "Deseas incluir el servicio?" Or something similar. It's 10% that is added to the bill. Usually the bill will have a long explanation, in Spanish, about the voluntary tip. No additional tip is expected or required.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749038]Hey all I'm new here but I've been on the sister site USsexguide for years. I'm taking my first international trip and I need a little advice to help me finish planning. In exchange I will write up my 5 day adventure and give back to the community.

1. What is the best way to lodge while in Bogota? I've been looking for a girl friendly hotels located close to SF. I'm having no luck finding those easily. That search brought me here. It seems an alternative maybe getting an Air bnb and then maybe using the love hotels to meet the women. I would be very appreciative if anyone could share there experience on this or recommendations of a good place to stay.

2. Is their anyway to get in touch with Woodman about his tour without a subscription? Sounds like a knowledgeable guy with a hustle I can respect. I just don't want to go through the hassle of paying 25 dollars to send 2 or 3 messages.

3. Does anyone know how these women usually feel about being videoed? Best case scenario I can video document the action that happens in my room.

I know new guys don't always get help so I would really really appreciate help SPECIFICALLY with my first question. I'm really looking forward to this trip, and I already plan to keep a diary of the events. I'd happily transcribe that info here later for a little help now.[/QUOTE]2 Hotels close to SF that a lot of guys stay at and have been GF are San Francisco and Ibis Museo-- Lotsa great AirBnB in higrises in the area. I do not have any interest in this site and cannot leave contact info here as per rules.

Some girls do video some don't -- as everywhere depends on the girl-.

Good Luck!!

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749038]Hey all I'm new here but I've been on the sister site USsexguide for years. I'm taking my first international trip and I need a little advice to help me finish planning. In exchange I will write up my 5 day adventure and give back to the community.

1. What is the best way to lodge while in Bogota? I've been looking for a girl friendly hotels located close to SF. I'm having no luck finding those easily. That search brought me here. It seems an alternative maybe getting an Air bnb and then maybe using the love hotels to meet the women. I would be very appreciative if anyone could share there experience on this or recommendations of a good place to stay.

2. Is their anyway to get in touch with Woodman about his tour without a subscription? Sounds like a knowledgeable guy with a hustle I can respect. I just don't want to go through the hassle of paying 25 dollars to send 2 or 3 messages.

3. Does anyone know how these women usually feel about being videoed? Best case scenario I can video document the action that happens in my room.

I know new guys don't always get help so I would really really appreciate help SPECIFICALLY with my first question. I'm really looking forward to this trip, and I already plan to keep a diary of the events. I'd happily transcribe that info here later for a little help now.[/QUOTE]A few posts down is a very informative post by Woodman with a map, and it shows an area near Santa Fe with hotels. You can check reports about these by using the hotel name as your search on this section or the section on accomodation in Bogota. You will find info on chica fees, or no, etc. I'm not going to do this search for you, but there is a lot of info here on this board that can answer your questions. As far as video is concerned. You have to ask, and pay more in all liklihood, and don't try to do it without permission. Authorities may find that is a really good reason to detain you, if a chica complained that you videoed without permisssion.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749038]Hey all I'm new here but I've been on the sister site USsexguide for years. I'm taking my first international trip and I need a little advice to help me finish planning. In exchange I will write up my 5 day adventure and give back to the community.

1. What is the best way to lodge while in Bogota? I've been looking for a girl friendly hotels located close to SF. I'm having no luck finding those easily. That search brought me here. It seems an alternative maybe getting an Air bnb and then maybe using the love hotels to meet the women. I would be very appreciative if anyone could share there experience on this or recommendations of a good place to stay.

2. Is their anyway to get in touch with Woodman about his tour without a subscription? Sounds like a knowledgeable guy with a hustle I can respect. I just don't want to go through the hassle of paying 25 dollars to send 2 or 3 messages.

3. Does anyone know how these women usually feel about being videoed? Best case scenario I can video document the action that happens in my room.

I know new guys don't always get help so I would really really appreciate help SPECIFICALLY with my first question. I'm really looking forward to this trip, and I already plan to keep a diary of the events. I'd happily transcribe that info here later for a little help now.[/QUOTE]1. Woodman has a lot of info on this. If you do a search for hotel there's so much info spread across all sorts of threads that it's not worth trying to remember all of them. Off the top of my head San Francisco Hotel seems good. Ibis museo seems good but I think I recall a recent post saying someone got charged but might be wrong with my dates so just search either "hotel", "air bnb" or one of those hotel names. Woodman also has a post from back in late July I think wjth some air bnb info. Since I don't really plan to have girls come to my room I don't spend much time on looking for hotels with that info. I'm there for such a short amount of time that I'm okay with just fucking the girls upstairs in the clubs or fucking the sg's in the rooms they work out of and getting in as many girls as I can before leaving vs inviting a girl to the hotel to spend time, etc. In the end it depends on your needs.

2. In the short term you have to buy a subscription. Long term. The more you travel and contribute to the ISG forum then youll become a senior member. But It's only $25. Everything in Colombia is inexpensive and if this is your first time outside the states you'll honestly benefit by spending the $25 now as it'll probably save you $25 while you're down there from making a stupid mistake and being charged more for something which Woodman can probably give you advice or info about when you're there.

3. Not sure but ask. Have a feeling that for videoing many may say no as they often don't want their faces shown. You may have better luck with photos and asking their price and letting them know you won't take any with their face in it. If you go the route of trying to secretly record them that's on you. Personally don't want to deal with the consequences of her finding out and the shit that will inevitably go down along with the recent posts of some immigration officers requesting to see some peoples phones and presumably cameras when coming back and finding a non consent video taken of you fucking Colombian prostitutes. From personal experience the videos I've done of some girls that consented in Mexico come out basically shit when it's just a camera on a desk recording us in bed and are much better when you're handholding a camera or your phone to get actual good footage. Expect to pay a nice amount if you want video. For me, it wasn't worth it in the end and I'm okay with having a photo or 2.

2. In the short term you have to buy a subscription. Long term. The more you travel and contribute to the ISG forum then youll become a senior member. But It's only $25. Everything in Colombia is inexpensive and if this is your first time outside the states you'll honestly benefit by spending the $25 now as it'll probably save you $25 while you're down there from making a stupid mistake and being charged more for something which Woodman can probably give you advice or info about when you're there.

That's a pretty parabolic way to put it. I don't mean to undermine the work the mods do but I'd say it's pretty reasonable to not way to pay $25 to send a dm. I paid it a year ago and didn't even realize I was recieving dms and replies to the ones I sent because the website design is so obtuse and outdated. So yeah I regret paying it, for what it's worth.

Saturday night live on and poppin in Santa Fe. Just the usual suspects. Hit a broad then got me a to go plate from Alejandro for 25 K.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2749181]1.
3. Not sure but ask. Have a feeling that for videoing many may say no as they often don't want their faces shown. You may have better luck with photos and asking their price and letting them know you won't take any with their face in it. If you go the route of trying to secretly record them that's on you. Personally don't want to deal with the consequences of her finding out and the shit that will inevitably go down along with the recent posts of some immigration officers requesting to see some peoples phones and presumably cameras when coming back and finding a non consent video taken of you fucking Colombian prostitutes. From personal experience the videos I've done of some girls that consented in Mexico come out basically shit when it's just a camera on a desk recording us in bed and are much better when you're handholding a camera or your phone to get actual good footage. Expect to pay a nice amount if you want video. For me, it wasn't worth it in the end and I'm okay with having a photo or 2.[/QUOTE]First and foremost I need to address this because it keeps coming up. I am not looking to sneak record anyone. I want to get into producing porn on the side and if I could get some original content while I'm here it would be a good opportunity and a justification for spending so much money on this trip. If all. The girls say no I will be prefectly fine. It's just hard to convince content creators to let you work with them if you don't have a portfolio this would be a creative solution to that.

Thanks for the advice. I want a few threesomes while I'm there and maybe 2 hour session. It seems doing these in my rooms would be easier. Is that a misconception on my part?

I will check the hotels out and consider the subscription some more. I'm seeing post saying the admin are taking a while to accept them. That makes me hesitant.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2749181]1. Woodman has a lot of info on this. If you do a search for hotel there's so much info spread across all sorts of threads that it's not worth trying to remember all of them. Off the top of my head San Francisco Hotel seems good. Ibis museo seems good but I think I recall a recent post saying someone got charged but might be wrong with my dates so just search either "hotel", "air bnb" or one of those hotel names. Woodman also has a post from back in late July I think wjth some air bnb info. Since I don't really plan to have girls come to my room I don't spend much time on looking for hotels with that info. I'm there for such a short amount of time that I'm okay with just fucking the girls upstairs in the clubs or fucking the sg's in the rooms they work out of and getting in as many girls as I can before leaving vs inviting a girl to the hotel to spend time, etc. In the end it depends on your needs..[/QUOTE]1. Thank you for all your advice. I will check out Ibis Museo. My search wasn't working yesterday It just kept loading. I searched like 16 pages so I probably missed some things. One of the things I think I read was that the San Francisco is charging per girl. Maybe 1 girl at a time. I want to have a few threesomes I feel like this will be easier in my room. I might be mistaken its a complete assumption based on my frantic research over the last week.

2. I've been seeing that the devs may be a bit under responsive to the request. I make software and this manual process really makes me nervous.

3. I am not a criminal. Well at least I'm not trying to trick anyone or secretly video them. I'd love to have the footage as an added bonus to the trip. I want to get into producing porn on the side and its hard to get talent without having a portfolio. Maybe this could be a change to kill two birds with one stone. If not I'll just enjoy the women.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2749155]A few posts down is a very informative post by Woodman with a map, and it shows an area near Santa Fe with hotels. You can check reports about these by using the hotel name as your search on this section or the section on accomodation in Bogota. You will find info on chica fees, or no, etc. I'm not going to do this search for you, but there is a lot of info here on this board that can answer your questions. As far as video is concerned. You have to ask, and pay more in all liklihood, and don't try to do it without permission. Authorities may find that is a really good reason to detain you, if a chica complained that you videoed without permisssion.[/QUOTE]If I don't have the subscription I can't see the pics up close. I searched nearly 20 pages in both sections prior to asking the question. I didn't ask you to any search for me. I'm not appreciative of the condescending tone I get from you. Seems you answered the question purely to defend the sanctity of this board. There's some great information I already gather from the 20 plus pages I went through. There is also a lot of things I had to useless things as well. Uber discussion legality of prostitute discussion petty arguments between users. I definitely might have missed a something. I didn't say anything about videoing people without permission. If that was on my mind why would I even ask if they care. I want information purely so I can fairly compensate them and to get a gauge on how common this type of request is.

Colombia is a very close during the holidays when it comes to family, that means that most chicas will be with their families and won't go out at all. I would strongly recommend to set something up with chicas before you get there. The pool will be less than half or even less from the normal amount available.

Good luck stay safe.

[QUOTE=RobanRoban;2748307]Hey everyone. Just wanted your input. I have 3 weeks off for vacation in December, Dec. 17 to Jan. 7. Was planning on staying in Bogota for a week then headed elsewhere. I've been to the se asia seen and now want to try my hand on some latinas since I had a good time in Houston, tex.

I have read the inputs and still am narrowing down my hotels in Bogota but I was just wondering if I should stay longer than a week or is a week just enough and should venture elsewhere?

Also if any of you guys know some good golf courses around it would be appreciated. Planning on golfing during the day and visiting the scene at night.

Would also like to have a tour from woodman if he could dm me. Or I guess I will, LOL. Looking forward to the trip.

Also I have been using the babbel ap everyday to get my taco bell spanish up a bit. Hopefull it helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749260]First and foremost I need to address this because it keeps coming up. I am not looking to sneak record anyone. I want to get into producing porn on the side and if I could get some original content while I'm here it would be a good opportunity and a justification for spending so much money on this trip. If all. The girls say no I will be prefectly fine. It's just hard to convince content creators to let you work with them if you don't have a portfolio this would be a creative solution to that.

Thanks for the advice. I want a few threesomes while I'm there and maybe 2 hour session. It seems doing these in my rooms would be easier. Is that a misconception on my part?

I will check the hotels out and consider the subscription some more. I'm seeing post saying the admin are taking a while to accept them. That makes me hesitant.[/QUOTE]None of us are mind readers. Your initial post seemed to suggest that you'll be videoing the action in your room, regardless of permission from the girls. Everyone is simply making sure you don't end up producing porn in a Colombian prison.

Until you mentioned it, nobody knew you want to produce porn. If that's your goal, you'll want to look into securing legal rights to your work. Video souvenirs are fine, but when you start putting videos online for profit, you're almost certainly breaking some laws, if you don't have a record of model's age, identification card and transfer of rights.

5 days and wanting a few threesomes, with video, in your room for your first international trip is rather ambitious, especially if you're not fluent in Spanish (again, no mind readers, if it's not mentioned the safe assumption is that you have minimal or no Spanish skills).

If you're wanting to make porn, and wanting some threesomes, there are some things you need to know.

1. The typical Colombian 3 some isn't a 3 some. It's more of a tag team wrestling match. One girl will interact with you while the other watches, plays with her phone, or empties your pockets, then they switch. Minimal or no girl-girl action.

2. Especially for 3 somes you're better off using a nicer love motel. Jacuzzi, stripper pole, music system, sex chair. Perfect for porn. Plus most of your stuff is safe in your room. You will need to pay attention that they don't empty the mini-bar.

3. It's best to have prior experience with at least one of the girls and that the girls get along. Be very specific on what you require (including the video) and get confirmation things will proceed according to your plan.

A few months ago I paid for a subscription for an alternate account (previously used to advertise a friend's escort agency). I followed the instructions and had the access in less than 1 day.

Finally, if you're going to get angry at people providing you with the information you requested, you're probably going to have problems getting help in the future. Nobody here is on your payroll. We're all just guys freely sharing our knowledge and experience.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749277]1. Thank you for all your advice. I will check out Ibis Museo. My search wasn't working yesterday It just kept loading. I searched like 16 pages so I probably missed some things. One of the things I think I read was that the San Francisco is charging per girl. Maybe 1 girl at a time. I want to have a few threesomes I feel like this will be easier in my room. I might be mistaken its a complete assumption based on my frantic research over the last week.

2. I've been seeing that the devs may be a bit under responsive to the request. I make software and this manual process really makes me nervous.

3. I am not a criminal. Well at least I'm not trying to trick anyone or secretly video them. I'd love to have the footage as an added bonus to the trip. I want to get into producing porn on the side and its hard to get talent without having a portfolio. Maybe this could be a change to kill two birds with one stone. If not I'll just enjoy the women.[/QUOTE]1. Yeah, wish I could help but don't have a lot of experience on that here in BOG. Someone else mentioned MS Oceania gave you the first girl free but then charged 46 k for every additional one. That's only about $12 usd so I'm guessing that even if San Fran charged it might not be that much? The Oceania info was from a few months ago so who knows if it's changed but I guess what I'm getting at is the price in these places may not be that much in the whole scheme of things.

2. Yeah, heard the same but there are some comments somewhere (might not be the Bogota one but a different city one) where people have mentioned they've got their membership started quicker if you send a email query with your payment info. In the end it's up to you. Personally, I didn't find Santa Fe that "scary" but instead find it "edgy" but some others do feel like it's not a safe place and if this is your first time travelling outside the states (which I think you said it was) when you combine that with any language barriers, general street noise from vendors and club touts, more people than in usual places in the states walking around sometimes all those things can take you out of your comfort zone and can be over stimulating if that makes sense and freak people out. That's personally why I think hooking up with someone knowledgeable like woodman might make the $25 be worthwhile.

3. Yeah, didn't want to say you're going to secretly record just wanted to make sure that others know shit will usually hit the fan if someone did do this. I had luck in Mexico but it was rare and the main objection was the girls don't want their faces in it. I got bbj videos but their hair covered their face and some cum on tits but the girl covered her face, blah blah. You can always ask and see what happens though. The threesomes in general, and others can chime in, usually don't end up being porn film threesomes unless the girls are truly bi. In reality, the ones I've had have involved multiple condom changes and the girls not interacting that much with each other and it sort of becomes blow job from both but then one of them touching you while you fuck the girl, etc but nothing like fucking a girl while the others is DATY on the other, etc. I'the just try and do it in the club upstairs in the room and negotiate that you want 40 minutes or an hour or whatever with both girls. You should make a point to see if you can get the girls to DATY on each other or whatever else you like as most take it as a solo type thing even though there's 3 in the room. Either way, Good luck.

Hey. Not really specific to Bogota. But do you guys have any recommendations of good places to go around Christmas for a few days? I am from the US and mi novia is Colombian without a US visa. I have not been, but I am aware of Cartagena and Santa Marta. But maybe there are other countries easy to visit with a Colombian? I think I will be leaving from Bogota.

I would prefer a lower cost structure, but open to nicer experiences.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749277]1. Thank you for all your advice. I will check out Ibis Museo. My search wasn't working yesterday It just kept loading. I searched like 16 pages so I probably missed some things. One of the things I think I read was that the San Francisco is charging per girl. Maybe 1 girl at a time. I want to have a few threesomes I feel like this will be easier in my room. I might be mistaken its a complete assumption based on my frantic research over the last week.

2. I've been seeing that the devs may be a bit under responsive to the request. I make software and this manual process really makes me nervous.

3. I am not a criminal. Well at least I'm not trying to trick anyone or secretly video them. I'd love to have the footage as an added bonus to the trip. I want to get into producing porn on the side and its hard to get talent without having a portfolio. Maybe this could be a change to kill two birds with one stone. If not I'll just enjoy the women.[/QUOTE]Only responding to your 2 point / question across all your posts because I am not sure what good responding to your hostile approach to free advice would do. As always though, I try and respond to be helpful to others that might be reading or searching in the future.

Getting the subscription is a great way to make things easier. Not sure what being in software development has to do with getting laid / having fun in Bogota in a way that maximizes the usage of your time and money. I am in development too. Networking with others and meeting to exchange has paid huge dividends. Private messaging makes that happen. I have written about it before. But rocket coin in the US makes it super easy. I have signed up for this forum multiple times and it took no longer than 2-3 days each time. Even if it took 2 weeks. What does it matter?

Like for example. I am by no means the most experienced person here, but I am more than happy to share with anyone information that PMs me. (Except for the random guy in India that keeps messaging me demanding I provide information about India even though I have not been there!) I have responded via forum message, WhatsApp, or met up in person to share everything I know. That has also been my experience with others on here too. Where else are you going to find that type of free and largely un-biased advice (from the individuals) with a specialty in mongering advice for 25 bucks (to the forum). If you are only here for a week or two, every hour and experience counts. Like it is fine not to sign up and to just consume the free content. But I do not understand when some people complain about the process or the rules when it comes to the membership. It reminds me of the people on the US forum that complain about the prices of escorts in the US and how it is unfair / not right for the guy just trying to "get by" on a normal wage. Whatever that means.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749277]3. I am not a criminal. Well at least I'm not trying to trick anyone or secretly video them. I'd love to have the footage as an added bonus to the trip. I want to get into producing porn on the side and its hard to get talent without having a portfolio.[/QUOTE]Well the first thing you would need to do is prepare legal documents for people to sign and make copies of their cedulas.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2749511]Hey. Not really specific to Bogota. But do you guys have any recommendations of good places to go around Christmas for a few days? I am from the US and mi novia is Colombian without a US visa. I have not been, but I am aware of Cartagena and Santa Marta. But maybe there are other countries easy to visit with a Colombian? I think I will be leaving from Bogota.

I would prefer a lower cost structure, but open to nicer experiences.[/QUOTE]The islands in southern Panama are beautiful and the weather is perfect.

For cheap I suggest SAI lots of all inclusive hotels and is a part of Colombia, so no visa needed there. Flights out of ElDorado are usually cheap BUT your picking Christmas week, just like the USA, Latin America hikes the prices for the holiday week. You have been to CTG but did you look into Isla Barú? It's close without all the negatives going on in CTG. Lastly look into Costa Rica. Have not been there for years but last I checked Colombians don't need or easy to get are visas. If you go I like Guanacaste in the north of CR good luck.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2749655]The islands in southern Panama are beautiful and the weather is perfect.

For cheap I suggest SAI lots of all inclusive hotels and is a part of Colombia, so no visa needed there. Flights out of ElDorado are usually cheap BUT your picking Christmas week, just like the USA, Latin America hikes the prices for the holiday week. You have been to CTG but did you look into Isla Bar? It's close without all the negatives going on in CTG. Lastly look into Costa Rica. Have not been there for years but last I checked Colombians don't need or easy to get are visas. If you go I like Guanacaste in the north of CR good luck.[/QUOTE]If your thinking SAI, continue on to Providenca if your into rustic 'off the grid" vaca. Last I heard from friends on the island, the Hurricane, Lota did a job on the infrastructure. As you know Latin America lacks the resources to rebuild very quickly. Do your research.

I just want to address all the concerns about this in one reply. I'm not videoing girls to put them on the internet. I want to work with American girls. There biggest apprehension is my inability to show them my work. The plan isn't to directly make money off the videos. It isn't to make an unsuspecting prostitute into a porn star. It is to get some footage do some editing and have something to show American girls what I can do in terms of editing and stuff. So can we drop this guys. I feel like we have spent way to much time on my lowest priority question. I appreciate y'all wanting to make sure I don't go jail in Colombia for doing something foolish, but I'm not the foolish type I promise. All the info about there biggest apprehension being the showing of their face I have taken to heart and I appreciate the givers of the information. Y'all are awesome.

JjBee62 - I'm not sure why you think I had an attitude with you. I am very thankful for the information you have provided. I only had an attitude with one person, Zeos1. He had a comment in there I couldn't help but take it as condescending. There was more responses than I anticipated and to be honest. I'm not even sure if I have had the time to answer yours personally. I just want to let you know I'm not upset or ungrateful in anyway for the help you have provided. So please take all that bass out of your response because I have no idea what you mad about. My best guess is the first sentence of the quote you posted triggered you for some reason. I used strong language here to make a point. I'm not looking to do any of the creepy stuff people were warning me not to do. It's like you don't warn a cook not to touch the a hot stove. People are telling me not to video a girl without consent like I didn't ask a question specifically to gauge how hard it would be to get consent. Also I didn't ask you to be a mind reader. I added the extra info about my intentions specifically because you asked for them. I thought it would be annoying in my original question at first so I left it out. I hope we are straight if not I don't know man.

Lastly, I apologize for double posting. This site doesn't have an obvious way of letting you know the report actually went through. JjBee62 I lost the time I would have used responding to you on writing a second response to somebody accidentally.

I've been here four days, and I'm pretty sure I will never come back:

1) In Cali the women are hot and wear sandals. Every woman looks at you appraisingly as they pass. In Medellin women are peak beautiful and always dressed to impress men. In contrast, in Bogota they wear hiking boots, keep their eyes fixed on the sidewalk in front of them and are generally fatter and more out of shape.

2) The street scene in Centro is about the most depressing thing I've seen in my life. Women are fat, tattooed and listless. Stray dogs, homeless and some super ugly trannies. No way I would ever go back, regardless of the price of pussy -- it destroys my bliss. Maybe I saw one, cute, doable black girl.

3) The weather is just low level crappy. Misty, rainy, windy, cold. Blowing dust.

4) I moved into a nice condo in Centro just to avoid scrutiny when I brought a young Veneca over yesterday. Security gave us the third degree!

5) I've been cold the entire time except when I'm sitting in the jacuzzi, or buried under the covers with a Venzuelan.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2749146]Congrats on taking your first step. If you've been on USASG for years you know a bit. One bit you know is that everyone has their own way of doing this. A strip club guy might not enjoy the Asian massage parlors. A street-walker guy isn't looking for high dollar escorts. Knowing your preferences will help people give you better answers.

If you are already comfortable speaking Spanish, things will be much easier, but you can still get by without it. I'm going to answer assuming you know very little Spanish.

1. For your first trip go with a hotel. There's less chance for confusion and you'll have additional security. The biggest issue is where to stay. Hotel Ibis Bogota Museo has long been reported as girl friendly and it's close to Santa Fe (and the downtown museums for tourist stuff). However, downtown at night might be scary for you (it was for me my first trip). It's a lot less fun if you're afraid to leave your hotel at night (Note to others: Perception for a newbie isn't necessarily a reflection of reality). Another option is to stay north, around Parque 93 or even further north and the culture shock will be less.

You might want to start with a hotel in the north for the first 2 nights. After checking your comfort level in Santa Fe you can decide whether to stay put or move closer to the action..[/QUOTE]I appreciate all the advice. Specifically on the restaurant service. I can't imagine shouting or waving some down in an American restaurant and that seems like something that would have took me days to realize and get used too. I would have just assumed their service was slow and shitty. I also appreciate the additional options you gave. I plan to go to a massage parlor most days I'm there. I like that setup personally. You were right in my limited ability to speak Spanish but I'm taking a course that's supposed to be effective in 30 days. I don't believe it but it's worth the try.

1. I'm aware I can't walk around at night, but I assumed taking an uber from place to place was an acceptable risk. If I stay in the hotel you generously provided I can try to make the prepagos come to me. I may even take an escort for a spin. Do you have any experience with the escorts?

A little about me. I'm 220 lb 6 ft tall black man with dreads. This combination isn't always advantageous from a perception standpoint. I'm hoping my demographic will make me seem like a bad target in this situation.

1. Because the typical gringo looks nothing like me. As a matter a fact I'm not even sure if I count as a gringo. Some time I get the feeling it's a racial tag as well as a nationality tag.

2. I look fairly young. I'm 28. When I shave I look 22. I hope this further deter robbers from thinking I'm worth their time. Young guys usually mean broke.

3. I plan to go shopping if my packed attire is much different from the locals. My hopes is to try to blend in as an afro Latino. My hope is as long as robbers don't speak to me that can't tell I'm a gringo.

4. Lastly I'm from the hood and I know the tips and tricks to not get robbed and if you do to not get robbed of all you shit at once. I also got a built in danger detector. I've exited many parties and clubs minutes before shots start being fired. Hell I leave at any sign of things about to get dicey.

In conclusion I feel relatively confident in my ability to to survive SF. If all else fails to make me feel comfortable I can hire one of those guys off show around to come with me. At 10/ HR won't break my vacation funds. I would try to find someone with some friends to bring. Hopefully if I buy a round or 2 of beers and I have some temporary companions to that will further dissuade any ne'er-do-well.

If you were going to a Santa Fe strip club how much money would you carry? I like lap dances and the club atmosphere. I'm hesitant to sleep with them in the club though. I see people say they usually try to rush in that situation. Also I had a Latina at a club before the skill of those women are outstanding. If they want you to be done in 3 to 5 minutes it's not much you can do. Fucking dick whispers they are.

It seems it would be prudent to walk the line between having enough to have fun, but not more than a certain percentage of your funds in case you get robbed against all odds.

I've addressed you other 2 points elsewhere so I won't repeat here. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2749753]I've been here four days, and I'm pretty sure I will never come back:

1) In Cali the women are hot and wear sandals. Every woman looks at you appraisingly as they pass. In Medellin women are peak beautiful and always dressed to impress men. In contrast, in Bogota they wear hiking boots, keep their eyes fixed on the sidewalk in front of them and are generally fatter and more out of shape.

2) The street scene in Centro is about the most depressing thing I've seen in my life. Women are fat, tattooed and listless. Stray dogs, homeless and some super ugly trannies. No way I would ever go back, regardless of the price of pussy -- it destroys my bliss. Maybe I saw one, cute, doable black girl.

3) The weather is just low level crappy. Misty, rainy, windy, cold. Blowing dust.

4) I moved into a nice condo in Centro just to avoid scrutiny when I brought a young Veneca over yesterday. Security gave us the third degree!

5) I've been cold the entire time except when I'm sitting in the jacuzzi, or buried under the covers with a Venzuelan.[/QUOTE]I love the weather in BOG.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2749753]I've been here four days, and I'm pretty sure I will never come back:

1) In Cali the women are hot and wear sandals. Every woman looks at you appraisingly as they pass. In Medellin women are peak beautiful and always dressed to impress men. In contrast, in Bogota they wear hiking boots, keep their eyes fixed on the sidewalk in front of them and are generally fatter and more out of shape.

2) The street scene in Centro is about the most depressing thing I've seen in my life. Women are fat, tattooed and listless. Stray dogs, homeless and some super ugly trannies. No way I would ever go back, regardless of the price of pussy -- it destroys my bliss. Maybe I saw one, cute, doable black girl.

3) The weather is just low level crappy. Misty, rainy, windy, cold. Blowing dust.

4) I moved into a nice condo in Centro just to avoid scrutiny when I brought a young Veneca over yesterday. Security gave us the third degree!

5) I've been cold the entire time except when I'm sitting in the jacuzzi, or buried under the covers with a Venzuelan.[/QUOTE]This is the fall monsoon cold and rainy-- Sorry. It's much nicer most of the year-- warmer and less rain.

We went to SF on Saturday and there were tons of Beautiful girls, as usual with many guys I have shown around over the last few months who were very happy-Sorry about your experience.

Good Luck in the future.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749780]I appreciate all the advice. Specifically on the restaurant service. I can't imagine shouting or waving some down in an American restruant and that seems like something that would have took me days to realize and get used too. I would have just assumed their service was slow and shitty. I also appreciate the additional options you gave. I plan to go to a massage parlor most days I'm there. I like that setup personally. You were right in my limited ability to speak Spanish but I'm taking a course that's supposed to be effective in 30 days. I don't believe it but it's worth the try.

1. I'm aware I can't walk around at night, but I assumed taking an uber from place to place was an acceptable risk. If I stay in the hotel you generously provided I can try to make the prepagos come to me. I may even take an escort for a spin. Do you have any experience with the escorts?

A little about me. I'm 220 lb 6 ft tall black man with dreads. This combination isn't always advantageous from a perception standpoint. I'm hoping my demographic will make me seem like a bad target in this situation.

1. Because the typical gringo looks nothing like me. As a matter a fact I'm not even sure if I count as a gringo. Some time I get the feeling it's a racial tag as well as a nationality tag.

2. I look fairly young. I'm 28. When I shave I look 22. I hope this further deter robbers from thinking I'm worth their time. Young guys usually mean broke..[/QUOTE]First thing, I wasn't mad. I don't get mad. I just don't sweet talk about stuff.

You can walk around at night, but it's not a good idea to stray from where all the people are. Santa Fe at night is bustling. Clubs, restaurants, street vendors and all the girls, plus the police make it a lively area. You should have no problem walking from club to club at night. However, if you stray away to the dark and empty streets, things are more likely to turn bad.

If I were going to a Santa Fe strip club I would probably carry 400-600 k, roughly $100-$150. I might carry a bit more if I'm going with friends. What I wouldn't carry is anything else. No wallet, no cards, just my ID, phone and money, and the phone stays in front pocket.

Might be in Bogota for a few days for business later this month and would like to make the most of it. I've been (and will continue to) RTFF—thanks for all of the great info here. I do have a couple of questions.

I typically prefer to order outcall to my hotel, but it seems that's not the usual mongering path in Bogota. Is there a reliable source for finding outcalls that I can order from my hotel? If I'm staying at an upscale foreign hotel brand, any issues with having visitors?

If there's a really compelling reason to not do that in Bogota, I'the love to know.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2750059]Might be in Bogota for a few days for business later this month and would like to make the most of it. I've been (and will continue to) RTFFthanks for all of the great info here. I do have a couple of questions.

I typically prefer to order outcall to my hotel, but it seems that's not the usual mongering path in Bogota. Is there a reliable source for finding outcalls that I can order from my hotel? If I'm staying at an upscale foreign hotel brand, any issues with having visitors?

If there's a really compelling reason to not do that in Bogota, I'the love to know.[/QUOTE]It seems the majority of upscale foreign type hotels typically charge a guest fee of anywhere up to $50. You might want to do a search on this thread for the particular hotel you're planning to stay at as you may find specific info for it. I was at the Marriott Residence Inn near Calle 90 and while I can't say if it's girl friendly as I didn't have any girls come to my room, I don't know how they'd actually know unless the girls were coming in the evening and / or dressing slutty. You enter on street level where there's a Marriott doorman / employee?? Sort of sitting behind a desk seemingly doing nothing (presuming if someone walked in that looked homeless, drunk, high, aggressive, etc he'd come to life) but since the actual front desk / check in desk isn't there and is instead on the 4th floor you can just swipe your room key in the elevator and bypass the front desk and go straight up to your floor. The building is shared with a whole bunch of business offices so there's people walking around all over the place during the day. I would imagine that if you met the girl outside and walked in with her during the day they wouldn't know. At night when the offices are closed it may be more noticeable especially if you had multiple girls over a few nights. I'd just email and ask the hotel if you can't find it here how much they charge for a guest fee (say something like you're working on a business assignment and an associate will be meeting you to go over things and will be needed to go on a zoom call in your room etc. Is probably a good way to ask LOL).

Wish I could help on the Incall side. From what I gather it seems hit or miss. There is geisha academy (just search geisha academy Bogota on google) and there's photoprepagos but with photoprepagos, who knows if the girl that shows up at your hotel will be the girl in the ad?? I'm sure there's others but I don't know them. Everyone seems into SA but for some reason it's rare to share the info of the girls they're talking to on here because it's assumed you're hooking up with a civvie and because of that if you get with her then she'll stay loyal to you or something? Either way I don't get it but there is always SA if you want to invest the time talking to the girls and weeding some out but there's a whole strategy of pre screening but then not doing it too far in advance of your trip because the girl may flake and other stuff which I don't get. Too much hassle for me LOL. Others probably have better advice on the Incall front.

If you're up north you may benefit from visiting the Lido club. The girls are expensive as well as drinks. Honestly, though if you can swing it I would just get an Uber down to Santa Fe and visit Paisas or Troya or just do a walk through of all the clubs (they're all right next to each other) on a Thur. -sat night after 9-10 pm and hookup with a girl there and session upstairs in their rooms. No guest fees then.

Good luck and let us know what ends up happening and what escort girls you end up with.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2750155]
Good luck and let us know what ends up happening and what escort girls you end up with.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Lots of good info there it seems.

I've used SA successfully in other locations. I find it (and other similar apps) to be fun, but a lot of work. Sometimes that pays off, but it's also frequently nice to just order delivery rather than sitting there wondering if the bread I baked is going to rise.

At the very least there seem to be a ton of options around the city, so that's exciting.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749780]...
1. I'm aware I can't walk around at night...
...[/QUOTE]This is such BS. I'm an old, old white man and, after waiting a few minutes too many for a cab last night, I walked from La Candelaria (near the Botero Museum) to my Airbnb in Santa Fe, mostly along la septima around 9. Biggest dangers are stepping in dogshit or a missing manhole cover. I am an obvious old, white foreigner. Maybe I am naive, but I feel no danger. Saying that, for sure I wouldn't walk around the zona de tolerancia late at night, but it would be mostly from fear of twisting my ankle on a loose paving stone or stepping in dogshit.

Another thing people have written here about the safety of cabs, uber, didi whatever:

1) they are friggin' cheap, fast. good and safe. A couple of times I looked at the taximetro and it said something like 77, so I pulled out $80 k thinking 'oh well that's like $17 US or something, and the taxista (amazingly honest) would say (shocked), "No! What are you doing. It's seven, Seven! (i.e., $1.70 US) " -- meaning I stupidly (on more than one occasion) tried to pay the guy 10 X too much and the honest taxista, who could have easily taken the money and driven off, saved me from my own stupidity.

2) If you're riding by yourself, sit in front -- especially if you're a big black man, no one is going to mess with you. I periodically read threads here about don't take taxis, take uber or whatever, but I found the taxistas I met were all super polite and humble. Also, side note, I would love to have one of those little yellow taxis back here. I wish we could import them -- I love little cars.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2749791]...We went to SF on Saturday and there were tons of Beautiful girls, as usual with many guys I...[/QUOTE]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750198]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.[/QUOTE]Well, there definitely a lot of average girls but at certain times there are a lot of hot girls at certain, sounds like you were there at an off time. For example we were there Saturday at 9 and it was very nice-.

The club scene is better-- you should check out the clubs.

I have given quite a few tours in last few months, the vast majority of guy were very happy with the SF scene as reported here.

Good Luck in the future.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750198]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.[/QUOTE]Well, there definitely a lot of average girls but at certain times there are a lot of hot girls at certain, sounds like you were there at an off time. For example we were there Saturday at 9 and it was very nice-.

I sometimes go on slow days and can find a nice girl among the average.

The club scene is better-- you should check out the clubs.

I have given quite a few tours in last few months, the vast majority of guy were very happy with the SF scene as reported here.

Good luck in the future.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749780] If all else fails to make me feel comfortable I can hire one of those guys off show around to come with me. At 10/ HR won't break my vacation funds. I would try to find someone with some friends to bring. Hopefully if I buy a round or 2 of beers and I have some temporary companions to that will further dissuade any ne'er-do-well.[/QUOTE]I'm of course familiar with Woodman having taken one of his cultural tours in a prior year, but it's the first I've heard mention of "guys off show around", is that a thing? Are these guys vetted by someone? I like the idea of having somebody or more to hang out with. Would be particularly nice because you could drink a bit more while having fun with not as much concern. It would be cool if there was an easy way for mongers to easily get together while in Bogota. Just as long as you didn't get an old dude who hates everything, cold weather included. LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750190]This is such BS. I'm an old, old white man and, after waiting a few minutes too many for a cab last night, I walked from La Candelaria (near the Botero Museum) to my Airbnb in Santa Fe, mostly along la septima around 9. Biggest dangers are stepping in dogshit or a missing manhole cover.[/QUOTE]LOL. Thanks JC. Spot on. I am a middle aged black man and I tried to send him a PM on that yesterday but he does not have that capability. If he is from the hood he won't have any problem with the stuff he sees on the street. Nobody is going to fuck with him though. The worse that will happen is somebody comes up to him begging. She shake your head and wag your finger no.

Speaking of which, I was in the mall yesterday eating in a restaurant and folks were coming up begging (there was a little fence around the part that was exposed to the mall area.) I did my usual as I just described, but people at other tables would sit there and hear the shit out. I asked my girl why do y'all listen to the whole story already knowing what they want and that you are not going to give it to them? She said she did not know. I said well I am not going to let them waste their breath or my hearing.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750190]Another thing people have written here about the safety of cabs, uber, didi whatever:

1) they are friggin' cheap, fast. good and safe.

Also, side note, I would love to have one of those little yellow taxis back here. I wish we could import them -- I love little cars.[/QUOTE]Absolute madman. I have never been so scared in my life than in those little yellow taxis. The drivers are absolute maniacs, one time I just closed my eyes, I couldn't take it. Even if they are perfect drivers, all it takes is one idiot texting on their phone; those doors are just glorified Reynolds wrap, and I will blow myself if those things have side airbags; if you get t-boned you dead 100% for sure. God forbid if that thing rolls over, the roof will probably fold over itself like a pretzel.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750198]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.[/QUOTE]It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.

Not that I like like either of those places, but a hilarious comparison nonetheless.

I would say its more akin to Angeles City or Tijuana.

Many mongering hubs are human septic tanks.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750190]This is such BS. I'm an old, old white man and, after waiting a few minutes too many for a cab last night, I walked from La Candelaria (near the Botero Museum) to my Airbnb in Santa Fe, mostly along la septima around 9. Biggest dangers are stepping in dogshit or a missing manhole cover. I am an obvious old, white foreigner. Maybe I am naive, but I feel no danger. Saying that, for sure I wouldn't walk around the zona de tolerancia late at night, but it would be mostly from fear of twisting my ankle on a loose paving stone or stepping in dogshit.

Another thing people have written here about the safety of cabs, uber, didi whatever:

1) they are friggin' cheap, fast. good and safe. A couple of times I looked at the taximetro and it said something like 77, so I pulled out $80 k thinking 'oh well that's like $17 US or something, and the taxista (amazingly honest) would say (shocked), "No! What are you doing. It's seven, Seven! (i.e., $1.70 US) " -- meaning I stupidly (on more than one occasion) tried to pay the guy 10 X too much and the honest taxista, who could have easily taken the money and driven off, saved me from my own stupidity.

2) If you're riding by yourself, sit in front -- especially if you're a big black man, no one is going to mess with you. I periodically read threads here about don't take taxis, take uber or whatever, but I found the taxistas I met were all super polite and humble. Also, side note, I would love to have one of those little yellow taxis back here. I wish we could import them -- I love little cars.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the advice. The internet at large would have me believe that Colombia is as bad a dangerous place. I have been having a hard time understanding why local gangs and such would target gringos so hard. This would ultimately lower the people that visit. For a country with so many of its poor people relying on tourism that seems dumb. It make far more sense for them to be in charge of the brothels or charge them for protection and things like that. Anything besides systemically scaring off as many gringos as possible by robbing them.

In your advice do you think going to prepagos house is also relatively safe? It seems it may be fun to had on that front, but I've previously disregarded the idea due to the perceived risk factors.

Been to Bogota plenty of times and always stayed in Chapinero but need a central location between Chapinero and Santa fe. I like the casas in Chapinero
but the nightlife of Santa fe. Maybe a place 15 minutes away from both. That 30 min drive from Chapinero is still a killer for me with the altitude. Headaches, etc. By the time I get to Santa fe, i feel like I have vertigo, lol. Car shaking and streets going up and down.

Any suggestions for a Airbnb or guest friendly hotel would be nice thanks.

[QUOTE=FictionalSpace;2750177]Thanks! Lots of good info there it seems.

I've used SA successfully in other locations. I find it (and other similar apps) to be fun, but a lot of work. Sometimes that pays off, but it's also frequently nice to just order delivery rather than sitting there wondering if the bread I baked is going to rise.

At the very least there seem to be a ton of options around the city, so that's exciting.[/QUOTE]I can't comment on quality, dependability or price, bit there are several escort agencies in Bogota. Just search "agencia prepago Bogota.

The reason it's not reported on much here is because there's a big price difference. You can do 5 or more girls in Santa Fe for the price of one from an escort service. La Celestina has been reviewed favorably a few times.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2750421]Been to Bogota plenty of times and always stayed in Chapinero but need a central location between Chapinero and Santa fe. I like the casas in Chapinero
but the nightlife of Santa fe. Maybe a place 15 minutes away from both. That 30 min drive from Chapinero is still a killer for me .[/QUOTE]You know there are different parts of Chapinero right? For a 30 minute drive you must be staying at a part much farther from Santa Fe because they are actually right next to each other.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750198]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.[/QUOTE]We're interested in the quality of the girls, not the pavement. If you dislike tattoos and skimpy outfits that much, you are in the wrong neighborhood and perhaps the wrong lifestyle. Let's try to be a bit more objective in our appraisals and leave the bitter cynicism of old age out of it, so that others can have better information to use to plan their trips. When I was there there were a lot of ugly fat chicks but there were also quite a few hot ones. I don't care about the ratio of ugly to hot as long as there are some good options. It's like going to a buffet and getting pissed off about all the food you don't like instead of just finding something you do like. You said you saw one you liked, you should have just banged her and let everything else go. I'm sorry for being a dick but I just have no patience for "traditional values" on a goddamn hooker forum. Soy cowboy may be relatively clean (is it actually though?) but it also has its fair share of ugly girls, and Thailand as a whole is anything but clean. Their beaches are gross. I'm sorry that it's so unpleasant for you to be reminded that we live in a reality where stray dogs rummage through garbage, rather than being able to relax on a swept (road with hundreds of Thai girls who have no ass combined between all of them.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2628131]Gentlemen sit back and let me regale you with tales of hot Santa Fe pussy. As I sit here in the bakery trying to make sense of it all.....


I like girls that let me take over and drive-- girls I can dominate and they enjoy it-- I have met so many-- Girls that let me gag them with my johnson, pull their hair and choke them a little. My program for quickees is usually the same get in the room and start with a some good hugging and grinding -- I like to check their oil and just feel them up good-- I stand on the bed and let them sit there and do oral always encouraging deep throat-- I like a girl that lets me grab her head so I can face fuck her. Then some missionary and doggie and then flatten her out for some lower doggie to finish. That is my typical quickee.[/QUOTE]The important part for me is the face fucking part. I'm trying to understand you method a bit more. I want to fuck some faces and take some girls breath away with a good gag. I'm usually the type to stray from this out of fear of ruining the atmosphere if the girl didn't like it, risking ruining the session and wasting money. I'm trying to understand how do you go about this? Do you negotiate this before hand? Do you go for it with no regard for the consequence since the potential financial loss is lower?

I would gladly pay extra for this. I planned to try and negotiate this, but after reading up on you adventures a bit it seems like you just go for it.

Also if you feel like the extra typing I'd love to read any other strip club stories you got. I'm interested in what I can expect while still on the floor. Are there any kisses, hjs or anything like that. I guess I enjoy the rush from PDA and strip clubs can be a great paid source of that. When I say PDA its not the lovey dove stuff. Its more like public foreplay. I know I can get just go and fuck them but I can do that at a casa or with a SG. In the strip club doing something note worthy on the floor even something minor would greatly enhance the value of the strip club for me.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2750421]Been to Bogota plenty of times and always stayed in Chapinero but need a central location between Chapinero and Santa fe. I like the casas in Chapinero
but the nightlife of Santa fe. Maybe a place 15 minutes away from both. That 30 min drive from Chapinero is still a killer for me with the altitude. Headaches, etc. By the time I get to Santa fe, i feel like I have vertigo, lol. Car shaking and streets going up and down.

Any suggestions for a Airbnb or guest friendly hotel would be nice thanks.[/QUOTE]Just zoom in on the area you want on airbnb, click a place, check the rules, if they don't mention anything about having visitors, message the host and ask them how they would feel about you having guests, potentially overnight. You're allowed to message 20 different hosts every 24 hours. This may not be the answer you're looking for but it's the correct one. Once people find a spot they like, they're not going to want to share it because they want it to be available next time they go to book it. You can try to read into rules like "not suitable for children", that's good. Or if they mention no noise after a certain time / be respectful to neighboring apartments, that may be code, or at least give some indictation of the host's uptightness. Personally I have so much respect for hosts that explicitly say in the rules that you can't have guests. I don't think they should be able to enforce rules that aren't written in the listing, it should not be the renter's responsibility to dig for more rules. But that's just airbnb's crappy policies. Also, "private entrance" in the amenities list doesn't mean jack shit. Even though the description says it's a private entrace to the street, airbnb just lets whoever put it up as long as it's not a shared unit. Pretty dumb.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2750427]I can't comment on quality, dependability or price, bit there are several escort agencies in Bogota. Just search "agencia prepago Bogota.

The reason it's not reported on much here is because there's a big price difference. You can do 5 or more girls in Santa Fe for the price of one from an escort service. La Celestina has been reviewed favorably a few times.[/QUOTE]I do not use escorts-- Santa Fe is enough for me as I am old and can usually find some hot girl there.

That said, here are some agencies I have been told about by guys visiting, and Not sure which but some send you un blurred photos after you gain trust.

[URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.photoprepagos.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.encountersvip.com/[/URL].

Perhaps the membership can chime in.

GoodLuck.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2750421]Been to Bogota plenty of times and always stayed in Chapinero but need a central location between Chapinero and Santa fe. I like the casas in Chapinero
but the nightlife of Santa fe. Maybe a place 15 minutes away from both. That 30 min drive from Chapinero is still a killer for me with the altitude. Headaches, etc. By the time I get to Santa fe, i feel like I have vertigo, lol. Car shaking and streets going up and down.

Any suggestions for a Airbnb or guest friendly hotel would be nice thanks.[/QUOTE]Ibis is a group favorite also San Francisco-- both walking distance to SF-.

A possibility is Hotel Dann (notCarleton) on calle 19 and CR 5- Also many cheaper hotels in this area.

Hotel Santa Fe Suites is actually right in the redlight area north strolol.

The area north around Ibis is pretty nice with many Airbnb and south of there too.

Good Luck.

GoodLuck.

Hi Guys,

I've been mongering all over the world, including US / Canada, Hong Kong, Thailand, Taiwan, Philippines, China. Looking to add Colombia to my conquest later this month. I'll be staying at Grand Hyatt for 5 nights with my brother (who isn't in the hobby. More on that later).

I've read about 60 pages on this forum. Would like to get your thoughts on my plans.

1. I am still trying to get a bitcoin wallet so I can finally message Woodman09. I plan to explore Santa Fe at least 2 of the 5 nights, would love some help navigating, especially the language barrier. Any extra caution for Asian guys in 30's if we were to go alone?

2. I'm also into escorts for the longer / better service. Yes I know the cost is 4 x higher at La Celestina vs clubs. Since I'd be sharing a suite, I can see if I can tempt my brother into a 3 some. If not, how would you recommend I "make room". Just book a second room?

3. I've arranged some local guides from Showaround for non-mongering activities. I had originally planned to use the guide as my wingman for the clubs and as a backup if I can't get Woodman's help (darn ISG messaging mechanism). I ended up hiring 2 (cute) female guides instead because the male ones were price gauging ($200/ day LOL). Any suggestion on hiring a buddy?

4. Does anyone on here want to meet up between 10/20-10/24 for dinner and other night time shenanigans?

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2750420]I appreciate the advice. The internet at large would have me believe that Colombia is as bad a dangerous place. I have been having a hard time understanding why local gangs and such would target gringos so hard. This would ultimately lower the people that visit. For a country with so many of its poor people relying on tourism that seems dumb. It make far more sense for them to be in charge of the brothels or charge them for protection and things like that. Anything besides systemically scaring off as many gringos as possible by robbing them.

In your advice do you think going to prepagos house is also relatively safe? It seems it may be fun to had on that front, but I've previously disregarded the idea due to the perceived risk factors.[/QUOTE]Been in mult apts in Bog and other places in Col and never an issue. You know what? At first I had that same little gut feeling you got, like will I be safe in someone private apt, what if I'm robbed etc. Then after few visits I notice they actually focus on business and making money, and all just as safe as a brothel, except more comfortable and nicer rooms w actual ac some of them. Now, you will be cat-fished few times meaning some girls post fake pics on photoprepago and mileroticos obviously LOL. Other than that you'll be fine hombre.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2750421]Been to Bogota plenty of times and always stayed in Chapinero but need a central location between Chapinero and Santa fe. I like the casas in Chapinero
but the nightlife of Santa fe. Maybe a place 15 minutes away from both. That 30 min drive from Chapinero is still a killer for me with the altitude. Headaches, etc. By the time I get to Santa fe, i feel like I have vertigo, lol. Car shaking and streets going up and down.

Any suggestions for a Airbnb or guest friendly hotel would be nice thanks.[/QUOTE]I usually stay about 5 or 10 minutes north of Santa fe in La Macarena, or technically in the district just northwest of it (international / financial area). Less crime, more police presence and lots of good dining options within walking distance or short Rappi. Checkout Lyra Cafe for breakfast or Restaurante Republik for dinner.

My last two airbnbs were excellent checkout.

Museo Building. Cusezar or Equilibrium on Google maps, both have pools which is relatively uncommon for the area.

Chapinero is still a bit of a drive but I found it difficult at times to get the Sante fe streetwalkers to agree to come back to my place unless it's near the Barrio. So Macarena has been close enough they don't freak out when I explain where it is.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750190] the taximetro and it said something like 77, so I pulled out $80 k thinking 'oh well that's like $17 US or something, and the taxista (amazingly honest) would say (shocked), "No! What are you doing. It's seven, Seven! (i.e., $1.70 US) " -- meaning I stupidly (on more than one occasion) tried to pay the guy 10 X too much and the honest taxista, who could have easily taken the money and driven off, saved me from my own stupidity.
[/QUOTE]The way the taxi meters work in Bogota is that it registers a number (not the amount of money) when you get in the taxi and for each km the numbers go up and there should be a placard or sign in the taxi showing a table with the numbers and the corresponding prices, although they don't always have the sign. Anyways when I take a taxi from the airport to my hotel in Santa Fe the number usually is about 150 and that correlates to about $20 k COP.

Hope this helps.

Yeah, I'm staying closer to B3 virrey. I guess I could stay further in Chapinero.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750442]You know there are different parts of Chapinero right? For a 30 minute drive you must be staying at a part much farther from Santa Fe because they are actually right next to each other.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2750536]The way the taxi meters work in Bogota is that it registers a number (not the amount of money) when you get in the taxi and for each km the numbers go up and there should be a placard or sign in the taxi showing a table with the numbers and the corresponding prices, although they don't always have the sign. Anyways when I take a taxi from the airport to my hotel in Santa Fe the number usually is about 150 and that correlates to about $20 k COP.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I thought I might have paid the gringo tax but I think it is about right based on this benchmark. My meter always read between 330 to 350 and I always had to pay around 45 mil. I thought it is something they jack up because I am a gringo, but maybe not so much the case.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2750462]... If you dislike tattoos and skimpy outfits that much, you are in the wrong neighborhood and perhaps the wrong lifestyle...[/QUOTE]Okay, shoulda' said "IMO" or "de gustibus non est disputandum". Whatever. Not for me.

[QUOTE=LoneRangers;2750534]I usually stay about 5 or 10 minutes north of Santa fe in La Macarena, or technically in the district just northwest of it (international / financial area)...[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Especially if you could find an Airbnb on Kr 4 a -- very pleasant area with a lot of good restaurants / coffee / beer. That area is close to where I stayed = very convenient. Unfortuantely, I haven't sussed out how to get the exact address for an Airbnb before renting, and although the "Equiibrium" tower (directly on Kr 7 at calle 31) had a lap pool and a jacuzzi, it was kind of otherwise alienating and cold. A dozen good / authentic restaurants on calle 30 up the hill from La Septima; although, I think they may be just day time only. I walked up there with my veneca on Sunday about 7 -- all closed. Maybe that street is a few blocks north of La Macarena. Technically, I think La Macarena is completely within Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2750462]I don't care about the ratio of ugly to hot as long as there are some good options. You said you saw one you liked, you should have just banged her and let everything else go. I'm sorry for being a dick but I just have no patience for "traditional values" on a goddamn hooker forum.[/QUOTE]I am always wondering how many chicks someone planned to fuck if they are complaining about the ugly ones, because I just look right past them. Does not concern me. Not wasting my energy on it. As far as I am concerned it makes my choice easier when there are only a few that appeal to me. I honestly do not need 10 good ones to choose from if I am only going to fuck 1 or 2.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2750479]The important part for me is the face fucking part. I'm trying to understand you method a bit more. I want to fuck some faces and take some girls breath away with a good gag. I'm usually the type to stray from this out of fear of ruining the atmosphere if the girl didn't like it, risking ruining the session and wasting money. I'm trying to understand how do you go about this? Do you negotiate this before hand? Do you go for it with no regard for the consequence since the potential financial loss is lower?

I would gladly pay extra for this. I planned to try and negotiate this, but after reading up on you adventures a bit it seems like you just go for it.

Also if you feel like the extra typing I'd love to read any other strip club stories you got. I'm interested in what I can expect while still on the floor. Are there any kisses, hjs or anything like that. I guess I enjoy the rush from PDA and strip clubs can be a great paid source of that. When I say PDA its not the lovey dove stuff. Its more like public foreplay. I know I can get just go and fuck them but I can do that at a casa or with a SG. In the strip club doing something note worthy on the floor even something minor would greatly enhance the value of the strip club for me.[/QUOTE]What works for me is be flirty and gregarious--I act like you're the king and am confident.

I always try to vette a girls attitude to get clues as to what to expect-- I will chat a bit and see how she reacts to being felt up. (Yes, I touch without permission-- Quick call the feminists- LOL).

Of course you can get fooled by girls that act one way and another in the room-- You have to try to detect be-S-- and that is not too hard if you are paying attention to the reactions.

Recently I really liked this one girl and I was not able to FF her very good-- in any case we got into quatro and I was banging her and slapped her ass and she got pissed, got up and walked out-- LOL.

Face banging a girl is a delicate situation-- As I said I usually will jump up on the bed have the girl sitting and let her start. At that point I will start touching her head and pushing a bit and see how that is-- I will go for a good gag and I'm always watching how she reacts and when she gags (I love a girl that gags and smiles) I will jokingly say 'Que pena you soy malo' and ' me gusta tu boca, muy Linda' and 'Tengo muchas ratos porti' Most girls I pick usually are fine with this and seem to be into it-- and then I know what to expect for future sessions.

I love the clubs, walking up to girls and dirty dancing with them. -- this a great way to vette girls. I do it all the time. In Venus club they sometimes will have a guy come up and bang the stripper on stage. I love the specticle of a club full of girls, 2-3 strippers on stage and 5-6 naked girls doing lapdances-- that is the best.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2750462]We're interested in the quality of the girls, not the pavement. If you dislike tattoos and skimpy outfits that much, you are in the wrong neighborhood and perhaps the wrong lifestyle. Let's try to be a bit more objective in our appraisals and leave the bitter cynicism of old age out of it, so that others can have better information to use to plan their trips. When I was there there were a lot of ugly fat chicks but there were also quite a few hot ones. I don't care about the ratio of ugly to hot as long as there are some good options. It's like going to a buffet and getting pissed off about all the food you don't like instead of just finding something you do like. You said you saw one you liked, you should have just banged her and let everything else go. I'm sorry for being a dick but I just have no patience for "traditional values" on a goddamn hooker forum. Soy cowboy may be relatively clean (is it actually though?)[/QUOTE]TY, it seems like I have paid more per session than most ISGers have, and Miami Boy said in the Medellin forum that you get what you pay for, and I was like, "Wait, what do you mean by that?" For me, the notion that you are paying for better pussy or oral outside of Santa Fe is a myth, so you are not getting more for your money there.

That said, I did find it worthwhile to pay the girl money to leave Santa Fe and head to my hotel. Hell, Hotel Ibis, which has rooms like Motel 6, was an upgrade over the hotels / rooms in Santa Fe. So that was worth the money for me.

And I agree the atmosphere of Santa Fe is not for everyone. I would not object if someone called it a shithole. Thing is no one has a gun to your head and says that you cannot find a woman there and pay her to leave, and you are talking like $25 or $30 versus 15.

When I first went to Colombia, I went to the Northern strip clubs, and I was underwhelmed. The women may have been a little more classy and a little better looking on average than Santa Fe but I was paying like 10 to 15 X what guys pay in Santa Fe and was not having any experiences I considered memorable. That is why I blew off Colombia for years.

With Santa Fe, you can get laid by some very attractive, good performing women for $10 or even less a pop. If you are complaining about that, something is not right with you.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2750859]What works for me is be flirty and gregarious--I act like you're the king and am confident.

I always try to vette a girls attitude to get clues as to what to expect-- I will chat a bit and see how she reacts to being felt up. (Yes, I touch without permission-- Quick call the feminists- LOL).

Of course you can get fooled by girls that act one way and another in the room-- You have to try to detect be-S-- and that is not too hard if you are paying attention to the reactions.

Recently I really liked this one girl and I was not able to FF her very good-- in any case we got into quatro and I was banging her and slapped her ass and she got pissed, got up and walked out-- LOL..[/QUOTE]I was going to give this suggestion and you just wrote exactly my approach. I stand up for the BJ and prefer them or their knees, then I gently massage their head and whisper sexy dirty stuff, girls tend to perform more if they think they're doing a good job or when you compliment. Then gently I would hold their head and push deeper and hold, so far 100% of the time they like that, pull back and would smile, say "oh my" , surprise LOL!. Most would show off their skills and continue w real deep throats on their own once they figure that's what I want. It's like training them.

Imo I don't think it's wise to negotiate everything upfront, not for stuff like this, it's more thrilling to initiate the surprise or let the girl initiate it. It's funny that we complain all the time about mechanical sex yet we want to negotiate mechanical sex. Too many upfront arrangements doesn't work for some of us. Yeah I know you're paying and you must get what you want, as always we forgot humans aren't robots (my fav line). I'm telling you, the experience is 100 x better when you build it, shit I barely pay extra for those incl CIM / BB type stuff. Let some shit happen naturally.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2751180]I was going to give this suggestion and you just wrote exactly my approach. I stand up for the BJ and prefer them or their knees, then I gently massage their head and whisper sexy dirty stuff, girls tend to perform more if they think they're doing a good job or when you compliment. Then gently I would hold their head and push deeper and hold, so far 100% of the time they like that, pull back and would smile, say "oh my" , surprise LOL!. Most would show off their skills and continue w real deep throats on their own once they figure that's what I want. It's like training them.

Imo I don't think it's wise to negotiate everything upfront, not for stuff like this, it's more thrilling to initiate the surprise or let the girl initiate it. It's funny that we complain all the time about mechanical sex yet we want to negotiate mechanical sex. Too many upfront arrangements doesn't work for some of us. Yeah I know you're paying and you must get what you want, as always we forgot humans aren't robots (my fav line). I'm telling you, the experience is 100 x better when you build it, shit I barely pay extra for those incl CIM / BB type stuff. Let some shit happen naturally.[/QUOTE]Always looking for a good chemistry. I suspect that a lot of guys have problems because they lack good interpersonal skills. All the girls I repeat with like their hair pulled and giving up control to my sexual agenda, as I said before this is what I look for in my vetting process.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2750462]We're interested in the quality of the girls, not the pavement. If you dislike tattoos and skimpy outfits that much, you are in the wrong neighborhood and perhaps the wrong lifestyle. Let's try to be a bit more objective in our appraisals and leave the bitter cynicism of old age out of it, so that others can have better information to use to plan their trips. When I was there there were a lot of ugly fat chicks but there were also quite a few hot ones..[/QUOTE]Been to Santa Fe the past couple days.

The Army has gone home. I miss those guys. Definitely made it safe there 24 hours a day. LOL.

Still safe enough tho. Be smart, most especially at night.

It is a trashy dumpy place, and there's lots of dumpy chicas, however, yesterday there were more than several nice ones.

Wednesday was horrible tho.

Heading back in a bit.

I'm pretty sure tonite will be great.

TGIV. Thank goodness it's Viernes.

LOL.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750625]Unfortuantely, I haven't sussed out how to get the exact address for an Airbnb before renting, and although the "Equiibrium" tower (directly on Kr 7 at calle 31)[/QUOTE]Easy. You zoom in on the map then you click on the different places to look at the pictures. Alot of times they show the outside of the building with the address on it.

We had a great time tonight-- Got out to SF about 7;30 went through the South Stroll walked the North area a bit-- Pretty nice-.

By the way they are fixing the street on CR 15 so maybe they read the report ealier about it?

We went into California-- pretty average was quiet with a few girls, I know this club gets better later.

Troya was pretty nice but not quite full we had a beer and checked out Atonis which was ok-- Both of these clubs probably got better. Both were good and probably got better as it was about 8.

After we left to Venus which was better. Real nice girls there-- and it got better! Those girls try harder! There were some real hot girls and we sat down after a while there were 30 girls and half were like 7-8+ Actually I already had banged 6-7 and would repeat. This is what I love, lots of hot girls that I want to bang and I have to decide.

I met a really hot venezolana spinner she looked 18-19 but was 22-- got a lapdane with her for 20 mil and it was the best lapdance. I actually was playing doctor with her and stuck my thumb up her pussy LOL. I love giving girls wedgies during lapdance-- She was very willing and submissive and seemed to enjoy it. Popped viagra and had a GFE Quickee a while later. -- It was so great with BBBJ paid about 100 mil. She lives near me, I'll have to make an outside cita.

It was so good I considered hitting her again. I ended up banging this other girl I knew from before-- Really great GFE quickee again.

We left abouy 10:30 walked through Fiebre which was going really good.

It's So Grat!!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750632]I am always wondering how many chicks someone planned to fuck if they are complaining about the ugly ones, because I just look right past them. Does not concern me. Not wasting my energy on it. As far as I am concerned it makes my choice easier when there are only a few that appeal to me. I honestly do not need 10 good ones to choose from if I am only going to fuck 1 or 2.[/QUOTE]Thought that was a secret mongering method. It only takes 5 minutes per club (I walk fast) and 45 minutes to see all of Santa Fe's usable streets. With Woodman a little longer, includes coffee and pastries etc. LOL but it's good for your first visit.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2751254]Easy. You zoom in on the map then you click on the different places to look at the pictures. Alot of times they show the outside of the building with the address on it.[/QUOTE]I think the host can choose where to place the unit on the map so it is not entirely accurate. Sometimes even the address you see after booking is not the same address that the host will give you before check-in. This has happened to me a few times and that is also the case of my current apartment.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750198]True, my first loop was Thursday or Friday before lunch, and it was overcast and sad like I wrote. I did a loop over there Sunday afternoon on my rental bike and it was a lot sunnier and almost pleasant. Indeed, there were some younger women; however, I stand by my previous rating on the women there: 1) mostly fat 2) horrible tattoos 3) garish, sleazy, ill fitting "sexy" outfits 4) cellulite 5) fat. Also, the whole scene of loose paving, torn up streets, decay, torn garbage bags, stray dogs rooting through the garbage. It's not Soi Cowboy or Patpong, for sure.[/QUOTE]It took many visits to find a SW worth even $20. But they are there. In the clubs after 10 PM they are there. Still takes time to find them. And YES Santa Fe looks like & IS a SHIT HOLE. The SA girls are better in Bogota than even in Medellin. (smarter also) This is why I will return from Medellin in December. When I get a chance I will send you PM with pics.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2751254]Easy. You zoom in on the map then you click on the different places to look at the pictures. Alot of times they show the outside of the building with the address on it.[/QUOTE]I visited there. Too many tall buildings for me. A lot of rules and security also. Entrance is. 2 mile from the street. And lots of stairs. Park in the garage, a lot better.

Damn, I just booked the Equilibrium for December on Airbnb. I don't mind stairs and walking. Good exercise. I message the host and she cool with guest. So hopefully all good with rules and security. Plus I read you have a keycard and can bypass security if you want to. (In the reviews) but we will see. I just wanted to cut down on the Altitude driving to Santa fe & the casas in Chapinero. Equilibrium SEEMS like a middle ground.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2751425]I visited there. Too many tall buildings for me. A lot of rules and security also. Entrance is. 2 mile from the street. And lots of stairs. Park in the garage, a lot better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2751419]Thought that was a secret mongering method. It only takes 5 minutes per club (I walk fast) and 45 minutes to see all of Santa Fe's usable streets. [/QUOTE]Hell that is with anything in life. Nobody goes out shopping for houses, cars, shoes and comes back to tell their friends about the tons of horrible ones they saw. They talk about the few they liked and were interested in.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750632]I am always wondering how many chicks someone planned to fuck if they are complaining about the ugly ones, because I just look right past them. Does not concern me. Not wasting my energy on it. As far as I am concerned it makes my choice easier when there are only a few that appeal to me. I honestly do not need 10 good ones to choose from if I am only going to fuck 1 or 2.[/QUOTE]I spent about 3 weeks in Bogota in August. Been to SF 3 or 4 times, and never sessioned. None of the girls were appealing enough for me to take them upstairs. Yeah, they are cheap, but I didn't care. Some of them I wouldn't do for free. Others I wouldn't even touch with a 10 ft pole. Low quality, very high mileage, mechanical basic all covered service, nah, thanks. I was with an ISG member, had a couple of beers, and just watched girls dancing on stage. SF clubs are good if you are bored and want to just kill time with a friend. Good place to fuck if you like them high mileage and all covered service. Even if BBBJ and BBFS were readily available, and sometimes they are for an up charge, you would be better off going covered to avoid STDs.

[QUOTE=Jrealyo;2751480]Damn, I just booked the Equilibrium for December on Airbnb. I don't mind stairs and walking. Good exercise...[/QUOTE]I was just there. There are two towers, Equilibrium 1 is 25 stories and has the pool and gym on the top floor. Tower 2 is 17 stories and has a roof deck, which was locked while I was there. The main lobby is in tower 1 on Diagonal 31 a, a short, steep little street. That's where the check in is. I was in tower 2, to get there you have to walk through the lobby, up a single flight of stairs, then across a floor of the parking. The elevators are fast and reliable. If you're in tower 2, then you just go down to the ground floor and exit (past a single guard) onto Av. Alberto LLeras Cargo, which I think is la septima -- anyhow, a major street. I had been in Hotel Mercure in Chapinero, but was hoping for a little less scrutiny passing the reception with my (very modestly dressed) venezuelan -- instead we got the f'cking third degree both times. In Cali and MDE, I was in little discreet Airbnb's where no one checked what I was doing, which I prefer.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751490]I spent about 3 weeks in Bogota in August. Been to SF 3 or 4 times, and never sessioned. None of the girls were appealing enough for me to take them upstairs. Yeah, they are cheap, but I didn't care. Some of them I wouldn't do for free. Others I wouldn't even touch with a 10 ft pole. Low quality, very high mileage, mechanical basic all covered service, nah, thanks. I was with an ISG member, had a couple of beers, and just watched girls dancing on stage. SF clubs are good if you are bored and want to just kill time with a friend. Good place to fuck if you like them high mileage and all covered service. Even if BBBJ and BBFS were readily available, and sometimes they are for an up charge, you would be better off going covered to avoid STDs.[/QUOTE]None? Not 1 girl? That boggles my mind. I can walk through a Midwestern Walmart at 11 pm and almost always see a girl who I would fuck for $20. That's from a pool of 10-15 girls in the temple of fat women in spandex (and I don't do fat).

My last visit to Santa Fe I was already fucked out from 10 days in Medellin and was extremely tired, and still, in less than an hour, without entering any clubs, saw at least 20 who I'd been thrilled to get, even if the price was 150 k. If not for the chance to catch up with a friend, I wouldn't have even gone.

There were some fat ones. There were some older ones. Of course. People don't stop needing to eat just because they age or put on weight. If you need to eat, need to feed a family, you work, doing what you can.

There were plenty of women wearing cheap, not especially fashionable attire. If you're selling pussy on the streets in Bogota, you probably can't afford original designs from Donna Karan, and the power suit won't attract many customers. Instead, you spend 5 k on something that shows off what you're selling. Sure it makes the girls look like prostitutes working in a red light district, but isn't that the point?

Tattoos were in abundance, because it's no longer 1983. I'm not a fan of tattoos, but appreciate the artistry of some. Things change. For the people upset about tattooed women are you still complaining that you can't get 8 track tapes anymore?

Now to the burning question. If you wouldn't do any of the women, wouldn't even get close enough to talk to them, how do you know that every single one of, of the 100's you had to have seen, were very high mileage and only provided very basic, all covered service?

This is important, because that's a fucking incredible talent. Think about it. You could sit down at a poker table and before the cards are shuffled know what everyone will have and how they'll bet. Then there's the sports betting. That's $1 million every weekend betting on the games when you already know exactly how every game will turn out.

There's probably a name for that syndrome, the unreasonable need to trash everything because you don't like 1 thing. I see it everywhere. It's rampant in online reviews. Someone orders a steak well done (which already shows poor judgement) and when it comes out medium, instead of politely explaining that the meat isn't sufficiently ruined, they write a review criticizing everything from the owner's haircut to the asphalt in the parking lot.

Personally, I find things like that useful. If someone can't find 1 good thing about a place, if they feel the need to make declarations about things which they can't possibly know, then I know their opinions are not based on reality.

I need to make a trip to Bogota this fall and was just going to stay long enough to do what I need to do. However, you've convinced me to take an extra day or 2 to hang out in Santa Fe.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751490]I spent about 3 weeks in Bogota in August. Been to SF 3 or 4 times, and never sessioned. None of the girls were appealing enough for me to take them upstairs. Yeah, they are cheap, but I didn't care. Some of them I wouldn't do for free. Others I wouldn't even touch with a 10 ft pole. Low quality, very high mileage, mechanical basic all covered service, nah, thanks
[/QUOTE]So if you didn't session but you're commenting on the low quality of service, I'm guessing you've sessioned in previous a trip (s)? If so, are you saying the quality has gone down? I'm coming for a month and I'm wondering if I should spend half that time in Medellin. From what I've seen on youtube, sf is not what it used to be. That could also be youtube being more vigilent in removing videos. But on the Bogota map, 9 out of 10 listings are places that went out of business years ago and most links don't go anywhere. The Medellin map seems a lot more reliable and some of the reports on that page make it sounds pretty great, although I know it's more expensive. Medellin doesn't have an official zona de tolerencia but el centro looks promising during the day and parque lleras at night, and that's just the street scene. Clubs and casas look promising too. SA looks good for both cities but I know if I rely too heavily on that I'm going to have a lot of frustrating experiences with flaky girls with inflated egos. I also hate fancy restaurants almost as much as girls love them. Last time I offered to pay a girl more to skip the restaurant and she blocked me LOL.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2751354]We had a great time tonight-- Got out to SF about 7;30 went through the South Stroll walked the North area a bit-- Pretty nice-.
[/QUOTE]Hit Santa Fe last night as well, got there at about 6 pm.

To be honest, for me the street scene was disappointing.

It was way better on Thursday.

I usually find something nice, but not yesterday.

It got a little better late. At about 11 pm actually. By that time I was spent tho.

The club scene was not bad.

Like you said, saw some hotties in Venus. Hung out there. Loud but fun, lol.

After a few days in Bogota, I packed my bags and headed back to Medellin.

So much better in my opinion.

Especially the street scene.

I'm not an online chica seeker, so no clue about that.
The club scene is better in Bogota (Santa Fe) than Medellin, el Centro clubs, Imo.
Im not into la Isla, Lidos type places, so no clue there either.

Good to be back with my combo of Paisas and Chamas here in Medellin!

Today was yummy, LOL.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2751666]
It was way better on Thursday.

I usually find something nice, but not yesterday.

It got a little better late. At about 11 pm actually. By that time I was spent tho.

The club scene was not bad.

Like you said, saw some hotties in Venus. Hung out there. Loud but fun, lol.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. This reply isn't specific to your post (post was great) but to just SG's in general. I think you hit the nail on the head with regards to SG's and I'm thinking that for any of us that have done the SG scene in any place would know this but the scene is going to change daily. It's the same for every city I've been to and it seems as though Bogota is not any different as your experience mirrors mine both in my really short time there (literally a couple of hours on 2 different days during late afternoon so hardly the prime time) and in my experience in every other place I've been to in Central America and Europe.

The first time I was there and walked around I could literally find 2-3 girls on each block I would fuck. In fact there are 2 in particular that ticked all my specific boxes that I kick myself for not seeing and I'm really hoping I can hook up with them when I'm there. The very next time I was there and it was different, there were still some girls I could do but not as many as my first visit including the abscence of the 2 I really wanted to be there. I imagine that had I spent longer and gone back there on subsequent days I'the keep repeating that sort of pattern of there sometimes being a lot of girls I like the look of vs another day of not as many or maybe even none. It was the exact same in the 2 clubs I visited too. One was great one day and sucked the next while the other club was the opposite. Sucked the 1st time and was great the 2nd time. Again, I have a feeling that this would also repeat that same cycle.

For you guys that can get down there for longer than 3-4 days and can spend 1,2,3 weeks or even a month. I envy you. I don't know if I could do 1 whole month in one place if it was just for fucking girls because realistically once back in the states I would have that slight feeling of "I wonder if Medellin or cartagena, etc would be better" but I think you're in a great position to ride out those ups and downs in both SG's and BG's. For the Miamiboy post I'm left just confused but it also seems you're more of an SA guy anyways so the bar and street scene anywhere isn't what you're interested in. Sounds like you have the time to play that game but also shows the lack of knowing that this thing runs in cycles. For the poster below that's wondering about if Bogota is worth it for the whole month then if it were me I would say head to another city for a week or two if the budget allows. You'll be able to reasonably compare both places knowing that if you're in a club or checking out sg's one day may not have any correlation yo what you're going to find over the next 3-5 days there. Something also tells me that you recognize both the pros and cons of the SA scene as well so as to know if that's a rabbit hole you want to go down in whatever city you choose.

I guess in the end, everyone has their own version of what they like in a girl. Personally, I know I'm going to do just fine with the quality of girls next time I'm down there.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2751574]None? Not 1 girl? That boggles my mind. I can walk through a Midwestern Walmart at 11 pm and almost always see a girl who I would fuck for $20. That's from a pool of 10-15 girls in the temple of fat women in spandex (and I don't do fat).

My last visit to Santa Fe I was already fucked out from 10 days in Medellin and was extremely tired, and still, in less than an hour, without entering any clubs, saw at least 20 who I'd been thrilled to get, even if the price was 150 k. If not for the chance to catch up with a friend, I wouldn't have even gone.

There were some fat ones. There were some older ones. Of course. People don't stop needing to eat just because they age or put on weight. If you need to eat, need to feed a family, you work, doing what you can.

There were plenty of women wearing cheap, not especially fashionable attire. If you're selling pussy on the streets in Bogota, you probably can't afford original designs from Donna Karan, and the power suit won't attract many customers. Instead, you spend 5 k on something that shows off what you're selling. Sure it makes the girls look like prostitutes working in a red light district, but isn't that the point?

Tattoos were in abundance, because it's no longer 1983. I'm not a fan of tattoos, but appreciate the artistry of some. Things change. For the people upset about tattooed women are you still complaining that you can't get 8 track tapes anymore?

Now to the burning question. If you wouldn't do any of the women, wouldn't even get close enough to talk to them, how do you know that every single one of, of the 100's you had to have seen, were very high mileage and only provided very basic, all covered service?

This is important, because that's a fucking incredible talent. Think about it. You could sit down at a poker table and before the cards are shuffled know what everyone will have and how they'll bet. Then there's the sports betting. That's $1 million every weekend betting on the games when you already know exactly how every game will turn out.

There's probably a name for that syndrome, the unreasonable need to trash everything because you don't like 1 thing. I see it everywhere. It's rampant in online reviews. Someone orders a steak well done (which already shows poor judgement) and when it comes out medium, instead of politely explaining that the meat isn't sufficiently ruined, they write a review criticizing everything from the owner's haircut to the asphalt in the parking lot.

Personally, I find things like that useful. If someone can't find 1 good thing about a place, if they feel the need to make declarations about things which they can't possibly know, then I know their opinions are not based on reality.

I need to make a trip to Bogota this fall and was just going to stay long enough to do what I need to do. However, you've convinced me to take an extra day or 2 to hang out in Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]The fact that my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean it is not based on reality. I speak from my own experience. I had sessioned in SF before, and never had a mind blowing experience. Mediocre at best, which is expected from a high mileage girl. Speaking of high mileage, last time I was there I actually saw a girl that maybe I would do, but she was always busy even to talk to me. We just got exchanged Hello,'s and off she went with another customer. She did 3 guys, back to back, while I was there drinking my beers. When she finally became available, I passed on her, I didn't want to be her 4th (at the very least) customer that night. These girls are sex machines, they do one guy after another, do your own math. Some of them fuck more times than most of the mongers here fuck in entire lifetime. No wonder the service is mechanical and all covered. Totally expected. You don't walk in a McDonald's asking for a NY steak, right? Sf is kind of a fast food, so to speak. Cheap, quick, efficient. I understand the appeal of it to a monger from the US. Someone in his 50's-70's, maybe divorced, retired, on a budget, with literally no sex life back home. Fucking a 18-20 yo for 20 bucks is impossible back home. But here it is cheap, legal, and nobody will ever find out, in case you care about privacy. I'm not trashing the place, I actually said that it might be a good place to hang out with a buddy, have a few beers and watch the show. But I would rather prefer a nice NY steak at a sit down restaurant rather than a burger and fries at McDonald's, and still stay within my budget. I’m not some weekend warrior, I know the going rates at different venues and never throw crazy money at girls. What I am trying to say, is that one can venture outside of SF, and have a much more pleasant GFE experience for a reasonable price.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2751688]Thanks for the report. This reply isn't specific to your post (post was great) but to just SG's in general. I think you hit the nail on the head with regards to SG's and I'm thinking that for any of us that have done the SG scene in any place would know this but the scene is going to change daily. It's the same for every city I've been to and it seems as though Bogota is not any different as your experience mirrors mine both in my really short time there (literally a couple of hours on 2 different days during late afternoon so hardly the prime time) and in my experience in every other place I've been to in Central America and Europe.

The first time I was there and walked around I could literally find 2-3 girls on each block I would fuck. In fact there are 2 in particular that ticked all my specific boxes that I kick myself for not seeing and I'm really hoping I can hook up with them when I'm there. The very next time I was there and it was different, there were still some girls I could do but not as many as my first visit including the abscence of the 2 I really wanted to be there. I imagine that had I spent longer and gone back there on subsequent days I'the keep repeating that sort of pattern of there sometimes being a lot of girls I like the look of vs another day of not as many or maybe even none. It was the exact same in the 2 clubs I visited too. One was great one day and sucked the next while the other club was the opposite. Sucked the 1st time and was great the 2nd time. Again, I have a feeling that this would also repeat that same cycle.

For you guys that can get down there for longer than 3-4 days and can spend 1,2,3 weeks or even a month. I envy you. I don't know if I could do 1 whole month in one place if it was just for fucking girls because realistically once back in the states I would have that slight feeling of "I wonder if Medellin or cartagena, etc would be better" but I think you're in a great position to ride out those ups and downs in both SG's and BG's. For the Miamiboy post I'm left just confused but it also seems you're more of an SA guy anyways so the bar and street scene anywhere isn't what you're interested in. Sounds like you have the time to play that game but also shows the lack of knowing that this thing runs in cycles. For the poster below that's wondering about if Bogota is worth it for the whole month then if it were me I would say head to another city for a week or two if the budget allows. You'll be able to reasonably compare both places knowing that if you're in a club or checking out sg's one day may not have any correlation yo what you're going to find over the next 3-5 days there. Something also tells me that you recognize both the pros and cons of the SA scene as well so as to know if that's a rabbit hole you want to go down in whatever city you choose.

I guess in the end, everyone has their own version of what they like in a girl. Personally, I know I'm going to do just fine with the quality of girls next time I'm down there.[/QUOTE]You're exactly right that it varies from day to day. Actually, it varies by the hour. Not just in Santa Fe, but just about everywhere. One pass through you'll see nothing, next pass you might see a bunch who make the cut.

My suggestion, if you take the stroll and see nothing, grab a bite, step into a club, or buy a bottle of water and go again. It might take 3 or 4 times, but you'll find some good girls.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751829]The fact that my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean it is not based on reality. I speak from my own experience. I had sessioned in SF before, and never had a mind blowing experience. Mediocre at best, which is expected from a high mileage girl. Speaking of high mileage, last time I was there I actually saw a girl that maybe I would do, but she was always busy even to talk to me. We just got exchanged Hello,'s and off she went with another customer. She did 3 guys, back to back, while I was there drinking my beers. When she finally became available, I passed on her, I didn't want to be her 4th (at the very least) customer that night. These girls are sex machines, they do one guy after another, do your own math. Some of them fuck more times than most of the mongers here fuck in entire lifetime. No wonder the service is mechanical and all covered. Totally expected. You don't walk in a McDonald's asking for a NY steak, right? Sf is kind of a fast food, so to speak. Cheap, quick, efficient. I understand the appeal of it to a monger from the US. Someone in his 50's-70's, maybe divorced, retired, on a budget, with literally no sex life back home. Fucking a 18-20 yo for 20 bucks is impossible back home. But here it is cheap, legal, and nobody will ever find out, in case you care about privacy. I'm not trashing the place, I actually said that it might be a good place to hang out with a buddy, have a few beers and watch the show. But I would rather prefer a nice NY steak at a sit down restaurant rather than a burger and fries at McDonald's, and still stay within my budget. Im not some weekend warrior, I know the going rates at different venues and never throw crazy money at girls. What I am trying to say, is that one can venture outside of SF, and have a much more pleasant GFE experience for a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]Everything is subjective. In my experience, you can get 10+ experience from a 30 year old, high volume pussy and 2 of 10 from a SA 20 sh beautiful girl. Everything depends on " the right time " her mood / your mood / her hormonal profile / her and your expectations / your skills to fuck her mind to get her involved / etc. At the same time, I don't want to say that 30 year old pussy is better than 20 year old One.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2751578]So if you didn't session but you're commenting on the low quality of service, I'm guessing you've sessioned in previous a trip (s)? If so, are you saying the quality has gone down? I'm coming for a month and I'm wondering if I should spend half that time in Medellin. From what I've seen on youtube, sf is not what it used to be. That could also be youtube being more vigilent in removing videos. But on the Bogota map, 9 out of 10 listings are places that went out of business years ago and most links don't go anywhere. The Medellin map seems a lot more reliable and some of the reports on that page make it sounds pretty great, although I know it's more expensive. Medellin doesn't have an official zona de tolerencia but el centro looks promising during the day and parque lleras at night, and that's just the street scene. Clubs and casas look promising too. SA looks good for both cities but I know if I rely too heavily on that I'm going to have a lot of frustrating experiences with flaky girls with inflated egos. I also hate fancy restaurants almost as much as girls love them. Last time I offered to pay a girl more to skip the restaurant and she blocked me LOL.[/QUOTE]You are tiring to bargain with your luck. You should look for an insurance for pussy services. You try to make conclusions looking on the map. LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751829] I'm not trashing the place, I actually said that it might be a good place to hang out with a buddy, have a few beers and watch the show. But I would rather prefer a nice NY steak at a sit down restaurant rather than a burger and fries at McDonald's, and still stay within my budget. I'm not some weekend warrior, I know the going rates at different venues and never throw crazy money at girls. What I am trying to say, is that one can venture outside of SF, and have a much more pleasant GFE experience for a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]I don't think those shots were completely aimed at you. I think your criticisms were objective and relevant. I don't agree however with the comparison to mcdonalds vs a steakhouse just because every girl is essentially a free agent with her own menu, and the area she is working in may be somewhat indicative of the quality, but you can't act like it's a rule. There are shit restaurants in nice neighborhoods just like you can find great food in slums. There's also a bunch of different factors to consider: Your appearance and hygiene, did you put her off by haggling too much? Do you speak any spanish and if so does your shitty accent offend her? (some people's American accent when they speak spanish is offensive even to me and my spanish is pretty shit. You might be better off just not trying to speak spanish if you're going to say shit like "gratzeeus") Are you being too aggressive or does she feel at ease? One girl denied me a BBJ at the door but then we went inside and I guess she liked me more without my clothes because she started to do what she said she wouldn't. I attribute it to good lawn maintenance. All I'm saying is there's more to it than big mac vs steak.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2751905]Everything is subjective. In my experience, you can get 10+ experience from a 30 year old, high volume pussy and 2 of 10 from a SA 20 sh beautiful girl. Everything depends on " the right time " her mood / your mood / her hormonal profile / her and your expectations / your skills to fuck her mind to get her involved / etc. At the same time, I don't want to say that 30 year old pussy is better than 20 year old One.[/QUOTE]+1 on this one.

I've seen a girl who gave incredible 5 star GFE to 3 different guys and the 4th guy reported that she was terrible. I've had girls who blew my mind 2 or 3 times then gave bored, mechanical service.

Sex for hire isn't like cooking a steak, which isn't difficult. If you know how to pick a good piece of meat, you're almost there. Just recently my girlfriend flew in from Medellin and stayed with me for 7 weeks. On the day she arrived, I put in the effort to make it special and the sex was fantastic. Other nights I just phoned it in and the sex was just average.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2751829]The fact that my opinion is different from yours doesn't mean it is not based on reality. I speak from my own experience. I had sessioned in SF before, and never had a mind blowing experience. Mediocre at best, which is expected from a high mileage girl. Speaking of high mileage, last time I was there I actually saw a girl that maybe I would do, but she was always busy even to talk to me. We just got exchanged Hello,'s and off she went with another customer. She did 3 guys, back to back, while I was there drinking my beers. When she finally became available, I passed on her, I didn't want to be her 4th (at the very least) customer that night. These girls are sex machines, they do one guy after another, do your own math. Some of them fuck more times than most of the mongers here fuck in entire lifetime. No wonder the service is mechanical and all covered. Totally expected. You don't walk in a McDonald's asking for a NY steak, right? Sf is kind of a fast food, so to speak. Cheap, quick, efficient. I understand the appeal of it to a monger from the US. Someone in his 50's-70's, maybe divorced, retired, on a budget, with literally no sex life back home. Fucking a 18-20 yo for 20 bucks is impossible back home. But here it is cheap, legal, and nobody will ever find out, in case you care about privacy. I'm not trashing the place, I actually said that it might be a good place to hang out with a buddy, have a few beers and watch the show. But I would rather prefer a nice NY steak at a sit down restaurant rather than a burger and fries at McDonald's, and still stay within my budget. Im not some weekend warrior, I know the going rates at different venues and never throw crazy money at girls. What I am trying to say, is that one can venture outside of SF, and have a much more pleasant GFE experience for a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]Damn son you sound mad af? Maybe we should exchange usernames LOL. You said you're not trying to trash Bogota yet you are. Also your fast food vs steak analogy isn't realistic, because you could be within your budget but you'll still pay more for the steak vs a cheeseburger. So there is literally zero point to mention this, yes I know my burger costs 1 dollar, maybe I don't want to spend 20 buck on steak so I can save 19 bucks. Just cause you could afford it doesn't mean we spent the same amt, yet your comment is trying to justify the 20 bucks and to make it sound as if we'll end at the same spot. No we won't cause I'll have more money left LOL, so pointless comment again.

Maybe you're young, I am too, and I can promise you many older gents have a whole lot more money than you and I combined, and yet they're the ones who roll on a budget. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. I've mongered in 15+ countries, and the guys with money that I personally know are the ones who bargain the most, save more, invest more wisely in other words, and not just in pussy.

Another thing to finally get to the point, Bogota isn't cheaper than Medellin son, I repeat, Bogota is Not cheaper. SF street girls are comparable to street girls in El centro Mde, SF clubs are also comparable to clubs in El Centro Mde. In fact clubs on the North end of Bogota are by far more superior and more expensive than those few ones in Mde, in fact no comparison in quality and in quantity. Bogota is a HUGE city, and we're only talking about a few street blocks, there are 10 x more casas, 10 x+ more clubs, meaning 10 x more photoprepagos, all categories. So this entire analysis of high mileage pussy blah blah is pure BS and if anything you sound super inexperienced LOL. These putas also rotate from cities to cities, met two chicas in Medellin that used to work in Fiebre, they recognized me. Met in a centro club and that same night saw them again in Llerra. The entire country's the same shit when it comes to putas hombre, they just rotate.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2751911]You are tiring to bargain with your luck. You should look for an insurance for pussy services. You try to make conclusions looking on the map. LOL.[/QUOTE]Obviously having an accurate and up to date map would be helpful. I want to have options and don't want to waste my time exploring dead ends while looking for those options. Look how much more active the Medellin page is than this one despite the city having a way smaller population. It's not just the weather. People only want to talk about sf here and half of that is negative. I'm not even saying that Medellin is a better city for this hobby because I know it's not, it's just more streamlined. People talk about the mezzanine like it's the only casa. There are definitely dozens of other places like that. Bogota has potential but not if we're going to act like leaving sf is a laughable concept. I don't even know what else to say to that.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2751578]So if you didn't session but you're commenting on the low quality of service, I'm guessing you've sessioned in previous a trip (s)? If so, are you saying the quality has gone down? I'm coming for a month and I'm wondering if I should spend half that time in Medellin. From what I've seen on youtube, sf is not what it used to be. That could also be youtube being more vigilent in removing videos. But on the Bogota map, 9 out of 10 listings are places that went out of business years ago and most links don't go anywhere. The Medellin map seems a lot more reliable and some of the reports on that page make it sounds pretty great, although I know it's more expensive. Medellin doesn't have an official zona de tolerencia but el centro looks promising during the day and parque lleras at night, and that's just the street scene. Clubs and casas look promising too. SA looks good for both cities but I know if I rely too heavily on that I'm going to have a lot of frustrating experiences with flaky girls with inflated egos. I also hate fancy restaurants almost as much as girls love them. Last time I offered to pay a girl more to skip the restaurant and she blocked me LOL.[/QUOTE]Medellin does have a zona de tolerencia, just for your information. I don't know the exact boundaries but the centro area behind the museum, carrera 53 is part of it.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2752264]2 things bothered me when reading this.

1. It would add value. Even if you don't share your contacts (which is in itself kind of selfish if you ask me). Hearing about you experiences would help younger mongers like myself understand if this is an avenue I would like to try. It would give me a blue print on how to get good GFE in Colombia. The details of the encounter can help me learn what a good deal is vs a scam. The details can help me figure out if the benefits of this path is worth the extra. To a guy like me both options sound awesome. Going up to a 7-8 on the street and sticking something in her for like 10 usd in under 30 minutes of meeting. Like I tip people that here for bringing me drinks at a restaurant. Option be take home a 9 or 10 by your personal standards and get a GFE so good it make you not want to share your prostitutes info. This option is like 65 usd or 300 k cop. I can't even get a decent covered BJ for that in the US. Either way sounds exciting and fun. I'm not sure if not posting report is a a lazy cop out or you really think they don't add value. I'm here to tell you sir I'm here wanting to know as many details as you will allow. Everything from how you select them to how you get them to meet up. Everything from your most successful strategies to you big mistakes. I could learn from all of it. So when I make my way there next month I will be able to tell more stories here about how I did things right vs telling a bunch of stories about how I wasted my times with the wrong chicas.

2. My man JjBee62 has already helped me out like 5 times this past week. 3 Directly and a few more from me running across his reports. If you asking for his reports you must not be looking very hard. It seems in Colombia there only like 3 or 4 people more active than him recently. He the OG in my opinion. Some of them weren't trip reports but there was defintely information he shared he most likely got mongering in Colombia. It's either that or he is living vicariously through the board reading this front to back like a book.

Last but not least MaddTraveler did a less than good job articulating his point countering you. I'm not taking sides in the GFE vs SF debate but I love a good debate. It turned from an argument to a loosely related rant on his part. So thanks for keeping your argument concise enough so I can enjoy your debate with the others.[/QUOTE]Now that was excellent, especially your first point. It's much better to learn from someone else's mistakes (or successes) than to have make your own mistakes.

I'm a truck driver. Nothing special, but it pays me very well and it's something I enjoy. Many years ago another driver passed on some wisdom. Trucks don't roll over because they run off the road or into the median. They roll over when the driver tries to jerk the truck back on the road. Years later someone ran me off into the median (because the other option would have killed them and probably me). Immediately, I remembered to just steer down the middle and stop. No damage, no injuries.

Your second point, I'm glad if I helped you. That's why I'm still here. I learned both ways. Not only did I read everything, I also lived in Medellin for a year. However, there are guys here who make me look like a newbie. Some of the guys look like Fred Astaire (look it up youngster) dancing through Santa Fe. They're all the specialists, I'm more of a generalist.

I go through spurts (which is how I came in my younger days). I just came off of a period when I posted little and now I'm making up for it and annoying everyone in the process.

Good luck on your upcoming trip.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752287]Agreed. Santa Fe is it for everyone but I always like to compare it to Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Never visited Tijuana, but remaining in Colombia I would compare it to Botero plaza in Medellin.

Often I prefer a GFE (MiamiBoy I'm with you), but it requires more work to find it, not just more money, and sometime I'm a bit lazy or unprepared.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2752223]Could you please share your opinion. I don't use SA and etc. But I wonder how much time does it take to get a girl from SA. Bogota? + I wonder, how many times a girl does not match your expectations? For example; fake or outdated pics or bad service. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I had 3 dates on SA when I went. First 2 looked hotter in their photos but were still hot. First girl had a slightly less pretty face than her photos. I had better chemistry with her because she spoke english. I think I paid only 300,000 for all night but I took her to a nice dinner and she got some fancy drinks, the bill was higher than I expected because of them but I don't remember exactly. When we were talking online she had mentioned I need to wear a condom but she seemed to forget about that after a couple drinks. Lots of passionate kissing and she was really loud.

The second girl I think was like 300,000 or maybe 400,000 and she left shorty after the deed. She made me wear a condom, I can't remember the details about if there was a BJ and if that was covered. It was during the day so dinner didn't include drinks and it wasn't really a nice place, so it was cheap. She was super gorgeous but in the photos she was a 10 and she had put on a little bit of weight since then. She did have maybe the nicest natural tits I'd ever seen and again there was lots of kissing.

The third girl was just as hot as her photos, maybe hotter. We had agreed on 300,000 but it never went down. I don't think it was because she didn't like me though, I think it was just poor communication and bad time management. Or maybe because I admitted to having met other girls on SA. Don't do that. Anyway I didn't pay her, I just bought her a cheap lunch and we kissed a bunch and made plans to meet again but our schedules didn't line up.

As for time, I had messaged them before my trip. It would probably be difficult to get a date the same day you meet them on SA, but not impossible. The thing I like about SA is I'm not as reluctant to do risky stuff with them because they are low mileage, and they are more likely to offer it to you, maybe because they don't see themselves as working girls, so they don't see you as a John. It's been said on here a million times, but the girls are very flaky. Don't let it get to you. But also be confident. When you plan the meetup, have an exact place and time, leave nothing open. And be confident. Message her a couple hours before but don't even mention the date, just ask how she's doing or something. If you start the conversation by asking if the date is still on, I feel like she's more likely to flake. I don't pretent to understand these women I'm just offering my experience.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2752264]2 things bothered me when reading this.

1. It would add value. Even if you don't share your contacts (which is in itself kind of selfish if you ask me). Hearing about you experiences would help younger mongers like myself understand if this is an avenue I would like to try. It would give me a blue print on how to get good GFE in Colombia. The details of the encounter can help me learn what a good deal is vs a scam. The details can help me figure out if the benefits of this path is worth the extra. To a guy like me both options sound awesome. Going up to a 7-8 on the street and sticking something in her for like 10 usd in under 30 minutes of meeting. Like I tip people that here for bringing me drinks at a restaurant. Option be take home a 9 or 10 by your personal standards and get a GFE so good it make you not want to share your prostitutes info. This option is like 65 usd or 300 k cop. I can't even get a decent covered BJ for that in the US. Either way sounds exciting and fun. I'm not sure if not posting report is a a lazy cop out or you really think they don't add value. I'm here to tell you sir I'm here wanting to know as many details as you will allow. Everything from how you select them to how you get them to meet up. Everything from your most successful strategies to you big mistakes. I could learn from all of it. So when I make my way there next month I will be able to tell more stories here about how I did things right vs telling a bunch of stories about how I wasted my times with the wrong chicas.

2. My man JjBee62 has already helped me out like 5 times this past week. 3 Directly and a few more from me running across his reports. If you asking for his reports you must not be looking very hard. It seems in Colombia there only like 3 or 4 people more active than him recently. He the OG in my opinion. Some of them weren't trip reports but there was defintely information he shared he most likely got mongering in Colombia. It's either that or he is living vicariously through the board reading this front to back like a book.

Last but not least MaddTraveler did a less than good job articulating his point countering you. I'm not taking sides in the GFE vs SF debate but I love a good debate. It turned from an argument to a loosely related rant on his part. So thanks for keeping your argument concise enough so I can enjoy your debate with the others.[/QUOTE]You need to start your mongering by planning first:

1) what time do you want or can afford to spend in Colombia.

2) How many girls yo want to see a day / week. And how much time you want to spend looking for a girl. Even on photoprepagos it takes hours of scrolling and chatting. Than a girl could come few hours later than expected or don't come at all. Or pics are fake or outdated, or bad attitude, etc.

3) decide what you need, a fuck or being daddy, or a date, or girl companion.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2752462]You need to start your mongering by planning first:

1) what time do you want or can afford to spend in Colombia.

2) How many girls yo want to see a day / week. And how much time you want to spend looking for a girl. Even on photoprepagos it takes hours of scrolling and chatting. Than a girl could come few hours later than expected or don't come at all. Or pics are fake or outdated, or bad attitude, etc.

3) decide what you need, a fuck or being daddy, or a date, or girl companion.[/QUOTE]This is a good start. For a first international mongering trip I would make some changes.

1. Agreed, need to figure out what you can afford. My suggestion is to budget $200 per day plus airfare. Subsequent trips you won't need nearly as much, but it's better to have plenty so you aren't missing out on your last few days.

2. Change that to how many girls can you reasonably fuck per day over the length of your stay? It's the candy store principle. Give a kid a bunch of money and let him loose in a candy store and he'll buy more than he could possibly eat.

3. Another slight change. Decide how to adapt your home mongering method to Colombia. If you are comfortable with in-call escorts, there are casas or online ads on mileroticos and other sites. For Outcall, same online ads, escort services and Tinder are options. Massage Parlors and Strip Clubs Are the same, as well as street girls. Whatever is closest to your preferred method should be where you start. From there you can try other things and decide what works best for you.

Some guys I know in Medellin go to a casa, or get a street girl in the morning or afternoon, then go to a strip club, or call a girl over at night. That way they get a quick and easy one out of the way and can finish with something different at night.

4. Consider what else you want to do. There are several tourist attractions in and around Bogota and Medellin. If you find yourself with extra time, it's good to have a plan. One thing I did on my first visit was ride the Transmilenio. Midday when it wasn't very busy, I rode the entire system, switching buses and getting a pretty quick tour of the entire city, all for pocket change.

5. Figure out how you're going to feed yourself. If necessary you can do just American franchises. McDonald's, Burger King, Subway, Domino's, Papa John's and KFC are all in Colombia. There also Colombian equivalents. I like Qbano for sandwiches, Frisby for chicken and El Corral for burgers. Italian restaurants are also pretty common. For coffee try Juan Valdez. Crepes and Waffles is something I recommend.

I suggest all those food options because many guys don't like Colombian food. Usually, except for 1 visit to Crepes and Waffles, I stick with Colombian food. Many restaurants serve a menu of the day. It's your choice of meat, potatoes and or rice, possibly yuca, a small salad, fried plantain and a drink. Costs around 15 k.

There's more, but I'm out of time for now.

For sure. Its definitely harder to find GFE in SF. But I have gotten lucky. Some fresh Vennie striaght of the bus from Maicao or a colombiana from Neiva looking to pay for her estudios. You win some you loose some. Its cyclical for sure.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2752330]Never visited Tijuana, but remaining in Colombia I would compare it to Botero plaza in Medellin.

Often I prefer a GFE (MiamiBoy I'm with you), but it requires more work to find it, not just more money, and sometime I'm a bit lazy or unprepared.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2752330]Never visited Tijuana, but remaining in Colombia I would compare it to Botero plaza in Medellin.

Often I prefer a GFE (MiamiBoy I'm with you), but it requires more work to find it, not just more money, and sometime I'm a bit lazy or unprepared.[/QUOTE]I used to Live in Chula Vista Back in the 90's when Tijuana was a lot different-- before the Hong Kong club was all the way through the block and Adelitas was the best club.

You could session for $30-$40 and the street girls back then were like a basic 3-4 for $5.

I always liked women in Colombia way better-- Mucho Mas Suave.

Mexico is so much more predatory then Colombia. And you want to talk about used up women-- They get boned by the whole USA every weekend and charge way more.

I was there like 2010 and it was ok-- Not sure how it is now-- But Santa Fe has always been way better.

I know I do tours and have an interest in promoting SF. Don't take my word for it--the Vast Majority of guys I have toured SF with have had great experiences as written here in recent reports.

I started flying out of Tijuana to Havana, that was fun. I would do that rather than go to Tijuana.

Good luck to all with your GFE dreams!!

Hi guys,

I would like to know if you prefer hotels or Airbnb's in Bogota? I heard about hotels, that are not guest friendly. So we are speaking about huge problems. Otherwise I can imagine, that Hotels are much safer, especially when they check the ID-card etc. I don't want to wake up without passport, credit card. So I guess, I would only take an Airbnb with a safe. Do you have any recommendations for hotels that are near La Candelaria oder Chapinero? Thanks a lot, Alex.

[QUOTE=TooRop88;2752996]Hi guys,

I would like to know if you prefer hotels or Airbnb's in Bogota? I heard about hotels, that are not guest friendly. So we are speaking about huge problems. Otherwise I can imagine, that Hotels are much safer, especially when they check the ID-card etc. I don't want to wake up without passport, credit card. So I guess, I would only take an Airbnb with a safe. Do you have any recommendations for hotels that are near La Candelaria oder Chapinero? Thanks a lot, Alex.[/QUOTE]I know many guys who have stayed in Airbnb no safe without problem-- The Ibis Museo is a favorite if you want to be near Santa Fe, the other is San Francisco -- Many Airbnb in this area too-.

Many cheaper hotels in the area too.

Hotel Grace in Chapinero-- But check about guests.

[URL]https://www.booking.com/hotel/co/living-zona-g.en-gb.html?aid=390156&label=duc511jc-1DCAsoMkINbGl2aW5nLXpvbmEtZ0gzWANoMogBAZgBCbgBF8gBD9gBA-gBAYgCAagCA7gCg5eimgbAAgHSAiRhMzEzNDBhNS03MDgwLTQwNjktOThhMS1iYjdkYzM1OGZiZDHYAgTgAgE&sid=6087b7e474c7d60d5406c94af8bfb4f6&dist=0&keep_landing=1&sb_price_type=total&type=total&[/URL]

And [URL]https://jalo.com.co/en/72hub-apartments/[/URL].

Good luck.

[QUOTE=TooRop88;2752996]Hi guys,

I would like to know if you prefer hotels or Airbnb's in Bogota? I heard about hotels, that are not guest friendly. So we are speaking about huge problems. Otherwise I can imagine, that Hotels are much safer, especially when they check the ID-card etc. I don't want to wake up without passport, credit card. So I guess, I would only take an Airbnb with a safe. Do you have any recommendations for hotels that are near La Candelaria oder Chapinero? Thanks a lot, Alex.[/QUOTE]This has been discussed several times here. Here is my take, most of the airbnb are condos in a building, especially better buildings, and they all have security and doorman in the lobby. In most cases, you will have to register your guest in the front desk. So if you are thinking of avoiding the walk of shame through the lobby, not much compare with hotel. The other thing to consider is the weather. Most of the airbnb doesn't have heating unless the owner provide portable heating unit. It can be freezing at night in Bogota. Hotel rooms in that sense are warmer at night with heating or nor. Hotels in Bogota are very inexpensive, I don't book airbnb anymore when I go there.

[QUOTE=TooRop88;2752996]Hi guys,

I would like to know if you prefer hotels or Airbnb's in Bogota? I heard about hotels, that are not guest friendly. So we are speaking about huge problems. Otherwise I can imagine, that Hotels are much safer, especially when they check the ID-card etc. I don't want to wake up without passport, credit card. So I guess, I would only take an Airbnb with a safe. Do you have any recommendations for hotels that are near La Candelaria oder Chapinero? Thanks a lot, Alex.[/QUOTE]There is so much info if you search on the fourm. Like a lot of info. There is also a hotels fourm for Bogota.

However, I've had good luck with Airbnb's and I just message the host to see if guests are a problem. With girls I have just met I meet for a drink at a BBC and then walk to a love motel. Then if / when there is trust, I'll bring her to airbnb.

You can and should also message the hotel for their policy.

Hello,

Could anyone say something fresh on Bogota and Medelline Real Estate? Price, area to buy, Bogota via Medelline, agents, etc?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2753193]Hello,

Could anyone say something fresh on Bogota and Medelline Real Estate? Price, area to buy, Bogota via Medelline, agents, etc?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]What are you wanting to buy? What will be its purpose? Are you looking for long-term investment property, or something to flip? Are you looking for a full time home, or a rental. Are you looking to buy a business?

It's hard for anyone to provide meaningful answers without knowing where you're headed with this.

Agents I would recommend you check out yourself, in person.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2753193]Hello,

Could anyone say something fresh on Bogota and Medellin Real Estate? Price, area to buy, Bogota via Medellin, agents, etc?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Lotta expat owners / info on FB groups -- you should check there.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2753061]I know many guys who have stayed in Airbnb no safe without problem-- The Ibis Museo is a favorite if you want to be near Santa Fe, the other is San Francisco -- Many Airbnb in this area too-.

Many cheaper hotels in the area too.

Hotel Grace in Chapinero-- But check about guests.

[URL]https://www.booking.com/hotel/co/living-zona-g.en-gb.html?aid=390156&label=duc511jc-1DCAsoMkINbGl2aW5nLXpvbmEtZ0gzWANoMogBAZgBCbgBF8gBD9gBA-gBAYgCAagCA7gCg5eimgbAAgHSAiRhMzEzNDBhNS03MDgwLTQwNjktOThhMS1iYjdkYzM1OGZiZDHYAgTgAgE&sid=6087b7e474c7d60d5406c94af8bfb4f6&dist=0&keep_landing=1&sb_price_type=total&type=total&[/URL]

And [URL]https://jalo.com.co/en/72hub-apartments/[/URL].

Good luck.[/QUOTE]Thank you for advice, the Ibis Museo looks good for me, if you can recommend them for their guest-policy.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2753193]Hello,

Could anyone say something fresh on Bogota and Medelline Real Estate? Price, area to buy, Bogota via Medelline, agents, etc?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Fresh: Investor RE visas to be eliminated.

[URL]https://www.colombiavisas.com/colombia-visa-application-freeze/[/URL]

The country is going into recession.

Everything else remains the same: you will get your dollar into COP. As Cramer says 'Don't buy! Don't buy!

The trip was done in May'19, though the report is late (COVID lockdowns, recently changed my username from my real name), I hope it could be useful to someone.

I am an Asian (brown skin), don't know spanish.

I travelled from USA to Bogota for a 3 day trip. My trip purpose was just to get the feel of Colombia to plan for future. I reached BOG on Friday morning, and took return flight to USA on Sunday late night.

I read ISG forums, but Routard's 'Bogota guide' post itself was good enough. He published guide with updated info every 6 months or so. I stayed in Viaggio Vierry as he suggested in the guide.

Immigration: The form was completely in Spanish, nothing in English. Using spanish translator app, somehow filled the form. There were very few in the foreigners immiagration queue. The visa officer didn't speak english, so she went inside then brought me inside. Another visa officer who spoke english talked with me. Even with all the necessary documents for entry (Passport, visa, return ticket, stay) and visit purpose is tourism, he asked me where I work. Then he approved entry, for 90 days stay.

ATM at airport: I think there were 1 or 2 ATMs at the lower level arrivals, but I found 3 or 4 ATMs in the upper level departures are better. Most allowed 300 k withdrawal, maybe atleast one allowed 900 k. Anyway, you can withdraw multiple times. Atleast 1 ATM allowed fee free withdrawal.

Airport to hotel: You could buy transmileno (Bogota bus system) card just outside airport itself, and add money to it. Or take a taxi, which is regulated. Still the driver charged me like 43 k pesos though meter showed 38 k pesos, saying 5 k was for airport pickup. It was only 5 k (2), so didn't argue.

I could cover most of the places just by walk or with the help of bus. I felt safe, even at night in Centro and Zona Norte area. Have some common safety precaution, like don't flash money or phone in the street. Santa Fe downtown street walkers zone was safe during day time.

Friday and Saturday: I did most of stuff in day time and evenings. All sessions are deemed finished after 1st shot, and most girls, especially at Santa Fe street girls, try their best to get 1st shot ASAP. They are experts on this.

Sunday: I was already exhausted on Friday and Saturday deeds, and most of the recommended places were closed on Sunday. So, I woke up late, checkout my hotel, went to the mezzanine for massage. I had 1 hour massage for 100 k.

[QUOTE=Igor54;2753193]Hello,

Could anyone say something fresh on Bogota and Medelline Real Estate? Price, area to buy, Bogota via Medelline, agents, etc?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]As others have noted, I'd look at FB. I've had some luck in Medellin, but it's because I bought my properties 6 to 7 years ago, did airbnb, and was able to sell in the past couple years. What you need to keep in mind is that 95% of real estate is still driven by Colombians and there is a large amount of currency risk.

Some Pendejo, traveling to Bogota has way over paid this girl in Bogota. She's super hot, and doesn't know the word NO! I have known her for 4 or more years, She has always been happy with 200,000 but today she informed me that she now wants 250+ usd because some asshole was giving her that amount so now she wants that much all the time. I know it was someone on this board or more than one because you posted her photo on here. I have a fiance who is moving to the USA in January, so I don't believe I'll be traveling here as much as I use to, so no skin off my nose but I did want to hit one of my old favorites this week but I WON"T PAY USA prices for a Colombiana. I've hate to monger anywhere other Americans or Euros or Asians have been because they always fuck up the apple cart. Why save your breath, anyone can pay what they want,. Bla bla bla I got it, I heard it all before but it doesn't take long to ruin the whole deal. I don't go to SF because it's cheap, I don't go because it's not my thing. But there are a lot of SF guys on this board and I wonder if some ass was going to SF and started giving those girls $200 a rattle, how long before that whole deal would collapse. I still have some very hot, professional women I can contact next week when I'm in town for a last hurray so I'll survive but to the newbees, don't overpay or eventually you will ruin the deal for yourselves.

I have see it happen in Brazil when the xchange rate was good, lots of inexperienced guys flocking to Brazil and over paying in Help, they fucked that up and forget CR they fucked that up years ago.

Time to go to Paraguay or Uruguay or Bolivia where the gringos seldom roam.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754066]Some Pendejo, traveling to Bogota has way over paid this girl in Bogota. She's super hot, and doesn't know the word NO! I have known her for 4 or more years, She has always been happy with 200,000 but today she informed me that she now wants 250+ usd.[/QUOTE]Damn! I take it this isn't a sg or bg and an escort type girl? Who goes to Bogota and pays $250? Wonder if she's trying to send a message or if she wants out of the field?? Personally if a girl told me $250 for anything, unless I'm filming porn and banging her in the ass as well as COF and a multitude of other things I'the walk away and move onto the next one. No girl is worth that much when there's loads more out there.

Sorry to hear bro. Good luck in the new relationship.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2754087]Damn! I take it this isn't a sg or bg and an escort type girl? Who goes to Bogota and pays $250? Wonder if she's trying to send a message or if she wants out of the field?? Personally if a girl told me $250 for anything, unless I'm filming porn and banging her in the ass as well as COF and a multitude of other things I'the walk away and move onto the next one. No girl is worth that much when there's loads more out there.

Sorry to hear bro. Good luck in the new relationship.[/QUOTE]I would rule out her asking 250 just for me to leave her alone. We have had many conversations over the years and we know each other very well. In fact we never even discussed money or time for that matter ever, in the past. I'm sure she would accept a little less but just the though of her asking me for 250 pissed me off. Her exact words were " when we first met you were my first American I ever met, Now I know different and men need to pay me 250. She went from a non pro to hardened pro. The guys who are the biggest problem are the ones who comes once a year and couldn't get laid in the states with a fist full of Fifties. And get stupid over some hot pussy.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754103]I would rule out her asking 250 just for me to leave her alone. We have had many conversations over the years and we know each other very well. In fact we never even discussed money or time for that matter ever, in the past. I'm sure she would accept a little less but just the though of her asking me for 250 pissed me off. Her exact words were " when we first met you were my first American I ever met, Now I know different and men need to pay me 250. She went from a non pro to hardened pro. The guys who are the biggest problem are the ones who comes once a year and couldn't get laid in the states with a fist full of Fifties. And get stupid over some hot pussy.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to start anything, but if she was a non-pro and you started teaching her that she can get 200 k for fucking gringos, then part of the fault falls on you. It's only a matter of time before a girl starts wondering how much she can get on the open market.

With a pro, for example the girls in SF, a couple of gringos overpaying might make them try to get more from gringos, but at the end of the day, if they don't get customers they don't eat.

Non-pros are doing it for fun, for extra money or to snag a long-term deal. Selling the pussy isn't necessary. They can go where the money is, or go for whatever is more important to them.

It sucks when it happens to you, but you write her off and move on to the next.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754103]I would rule out her asking 250 just for me to leave her alone. We have had many conversations over the years and we know each other very well. In fact we never even discussed money or time for that matter ever, in the past. I'm sure she would accept a little less but just the though of her asking me for 250 pissed me off. Her exact words were " when we first met you were my first American I ever met, Now I know different and men need to pay me 250. She went from a non pro to hardened pro. The guys who are the biggest problem are the ones who comes once a year and couldn't get laid in the states with a fist full of Fifties. And get stupid over some hot pussy.[/QUOTE]You are not alone. It took a lot of time to find my attorney girl and I had so called "friends" beg me for her number. Last trip I said Hi to her and she said she had covid. We talked. (she speaks English) a week later she asks me for $ (no meet up, no dinner, no date etc.) so I replied let's wait till you feel better. Then I get a message, "if you can't send me $ I don't want to have sex with you anymore" I looked at her IG account. She was posting photos by the pool (during covid) I think to find a higher dollar player. I decided she wasn't worth the extra effort. Yes she's a 10. Sorry to see her go but this is another reason why too many guys worshiping these girls gives them ideas. I might message her on my next trip and see how all that covid / pool photos / new guys turned out. She's not the only one but was one of the best looking.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754103]I would rule out her asking 250 just for me to leave her alone. We have had many conversations over the years and we know each other very well. In fact we never even discussed money or time for that matter ever, in the past. I'm sure she would accept a little less but just the though of her asking me for 250 pissed me off. Her exact words were " when we first met you were my first American I ever met, Now I know different and men need to pay me 250. She went from a non pro to hardened pro. The guys who are the biggest problem are the ones who comes once a year and couldn't get laid in the states with a fist full of Fifties. And get stupid over some hot pussy.[/QUOTE]I always mention supply and demand in a few of my posts. One thing about Bogota is the larger supply of regular girls. I don't attach myself to any of these girls. I have always stayed out from girls who would quote me in dollars. If it does not suit me, I will simply move on to the next one.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2752938]I used to Live in Chula Vista Back in the 90's when Tijuana was a lot different-- before the Hong Kong club was all the way through the block and Adelitas was the best club.

You could session for $30-$40 and the street girls back then were like a basic 3-4 for $5.

I always liked women in Colombia way better-- Mucho Mas Suave.

Mexico is so much more predatory then Colombia. And you want to talk about used up women-- They get boned by the whole USA every weekend and charge way more.

I was there like 2010 and it was ok-- Not sure how it is now-- But Santa Fe has always been way better.

I know I do tours and have an interest in promoting SF. Don't take my word for it--the Vast Majority of guys I have toured SF with have had great experiences as written here in recent reports.

I started flying out of Tijuana to Havana, that was fun. I would do that rather than go to Tijuana.

Good luck to all with your GFE dreams!![/QUOTE]LOL you helped talk me out of visiting HKTJ. (almost) but it has changed immensely. The best looking girls from all over Mexico are there. But you have to get lucky to grab one before they get attacked by all those gringos. It's also cleaner than Sante Fe. See you soon.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2754148]I always mention supply and demand in a few of my posts. One thing about Bogota is the larger supply of regular girls. I don't attach myself to any of these girls. I have always stayed out from girls who would quote me in dollars. If it does not suit me, I will simply move on to the next one.[/QUOTE]I thought we got into this hobby to avoid dealing with the harsh realities of women (not just western ones, they're simply worse), not to get emotional nor deal with their BS in general?

Not talking about your comment, you're doing exactly what most should do, move on. And as you said don't get attached, and prev post said BOG has the largest pop in WG so I'm so confused on why people come here to complaint about tricks acting up LOL. Ok I get it we can vent a bit.

But outside of venting, some fellas come here and you can tell they're literally crying. I know the emotions we read are real, bc few readers misunderstood my recent trip reports and I got 3 rude PMs accusing me of ruining their lives, all for tipping at a club, said I was messing up the game. Like the girls won't accept their budgeted offer no longer.

One of the Vets here recently posted some common sense on this, that a guy would come here to cry about seeing fewer avail girls at a usual spot, whom would even claim there were couple he could do yet come here to cry in tears. And the Vet's comment / reply was what's the point of the complaint when you just need to fuck one? I mean we read similar posts all the time. Ha I went to SF there was only 2 doable girls, I hate SF, that's it, my life is over due to a wg shortage, blah blah, and I'm like well just fuck the 2 doable ones or one you see and be happy. Why TF is the complaint and petty rant necessary? Not like y'all some pornstars who's going to go on a viagra rampage to fuck 5 girls in an orgy daily, while clearly on a budget since strolling the low cost streets LOL.

This is my 2 cents on this, there is way too much pussy in Col and bordering countries to be worrying a wg or worse getting attached to one, 10 or not.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754103]Her exact words were " when we first met you were my first American I ever met, Now I know different and men need to pay me 250. She went from a non pro to hardened pro. The guys who are the biggest problem are the ones who comes once a year and couldn't get laid in the states with a fist full of Fifties. And get stupid over some hot pussy.[/QUOTE]Sure, I half agree. But the other half of the problem is guys who complain when hookers, who pretend who to be girlfrriends, become hookers again. If you choose a girl and she stays w you for money, you are always going to run the risk that she or you will pull the plug for money.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2754151]LOL you helped talk me out of visiting HKTJ. (almost) but it has changed immensely. The best looking girls from all over Mexico are there. But you have to get lucky to grab one before they get attacked by all those gringos. It's also cleaner than Sante Fe. See you soon.[/QUOTE]In Santa Fe where I really am bothered by the broken dirty streets but at least there are Super Hot Girls waiting for me rather than 'you have to get lucky to grab one before they get attacked by all those gringos. ' Have fun 'Getting Lucky'.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2754175]Sure, I half agree. But the other half of the problem is guys who complain when hookers, who pretend who to be girlfrriends, become hookers again. If you choose a girl and she stays w you for money, you are always going to run the risk that she or you will pull the plug for money.[/QUOTE]Although you would never see this girl in SF or a casa or a strip club, she always expected some help. I met her when she was a student and all students need help and are willing to fuck a guy to get some cash. Although we never spoke about money or a specific amount or time, it was always with an expectation of getting some cash and taxi money. I've said for many years, The best part is there are over 9 million people in Bogota and half of them are women. They come and they go, they lose their phones and sometimes they contact me with their new number, some get married to a Frenchman and move to Paris. And some I never hear from again. See'est la vie There is one constant.

"Women are like buses, another one comes along every 5 minutes").

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754066]Some Pendejo, traveling to Bogota has way over paid this girl in Bogota. She's super hot, and doesn't know the word NO! I have known her for 4 or more years, She has always been happy with 200,000 but today she informed me that she now wants 250+ usd .[/QUOTE]Folks keep saying you have to account for inflation. Things have gotten more expensive in Colombia. Maybe you missed those posts.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2754175]Sure, I half agree. But the other half of the problem is guys who complain when hookers, who pretend who to be girlfrriends, become hookers again. If you choose a girl and she stays w you for money, you are always going to run the risk that she or you will pull the plug for money.[/QUOTE]Yep. I have no problem paying a hooker. But unlike some other guys, I can not trick myself into believing that a chick that is not going to fuck me without me giving her money is something other than a hooker. No girlfriend. No friend with benefits. No low mileage. No semi-pro. No university student in need of tuition. None of that other bullshit to try to dress it up and pretend she is not a hooker.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2754145]It took a lot of time to find my attorney girl and I had so called "friends" beg me for her number. I decided she wasn't worth the extra effort. [/QUOTE]So can we get her number now?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754066]Some Pendejo, traveling to Bogota has way over paid this girl in Bogota. She's super hot, and doesn't know the word NO! I have known her for 4 or more years, She has always been happy with 200,000 but today she informed me that she now wants 250+ usd because some asshole was giving her that amount so now she wants that much all the time. I know it was someone on this board or more than one because you posted her photo on here. I have a fiance who is moving to the USA in January, so I don't believe I'll be traveling here as much as I use to, so no skin off my nose but I did want to hit one of my old favorites this week but I WON"T PAY USA prices for a Colombiana. I've hate to monger anywhere other Americans or Euros or Asians have been because they always fuck up the apple cart. Why save your breath, anyone can pay what they want,. Bla bla bla I got it, I heard it all before but it doesn't take long to ruin the whole deal. I don't go to SF because it's cheap, I don't go because it's not my thing. But there are a lot of SF guys on this board and I wonder if some ass was going to SF and started giving those girls $200 a rattle, how long before that whole deal would collapse. I still have some very hot, professional women I can contact next week when I'm in town for a last hurray so I'll survive but to the newbees, don't overpay or eventually you will ruin the deal for yourselves..[/QUOTE]I know some locals and have been on local forums about prostitutes and a lot of locals guys dislike mostly gringos and foreigners but they be saying it is always the gringos. They be paying the hoes more then monthly salary for a single fuck and then they save the hoe and go live with her in the states and they be jacking the prices up. In Santa Fe most girls charges more than 85.000 k for a fuck now, some ain't working anymore because gringos be paying their bills and taking them out of the market.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2754251]Yep. I have no problem paying a hooker. But unlike some other guys, I can not trick myself into believing that a chick that is not going to fuck me without me giving her money is something other than a hooker. No girlfriend. No friend with benefits. No low mileage. No semi-pro. No university student in need of tuition. None of that other bullshit to try to dress it up and pretend she is not a hooker.[/QUOTE]It's the power of the pussy man, nothing more. They lay that good GFE on some of us chomps and we're done, in love like yeah she's my girl LOL. We convince ourselves with shit like oh if I had a real GF or wife I'd spend more or the same anyway. Or come here and posting shit like oh I placed some money in her purse without her knowing LOL, lying to our own dick, yeah right. LMAO.

Just saying, until some of us dress nicer, lose weight, and remove 20 yrs from our real age LOL, or 40 yrs, get new dental implants, she ain't your girls LOL.

First time there. Anyone want to grab a drink and prowl for a bit?

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754066]Some Pendejo, traveling to Bogota has way over paid this girl in Bogota. She's super hot, and doesn't know the word NO! I have known her for 4 or more years, She has always been happy with 200,000 but today she informed me that she now wants 250+ usd because some asshole was giving her that amount so now she wants that much all the time. I know it was someone on this board or more than one because you posted her photo on here. I have a fiance who is moving to the USA in January, so I don't believe I'll be traveling here as much as I use to, so no skin off my nose but I did want to hit one of my old favorites this week but I WON"T PAY USA prices for a Colombiana. I've hate to monger anywhere other Americans or Euros or Asians have been because they always fuck up the apple cart. Why save your breath, anyone can pay what they want,. Bla bla bla I got it, I heard it all before but it doesn't take long to ruin the whole deal. I don't go to SF because it's cheap, I don't go because it's not my thing. But there are a lot of SF guys on this board and I wonder if some ass was going to SF and started giving those girls $200 a rattle, how long before that whole deal would collapse. I still have some very hot, professional women I can contact next week when I'm in town for a last hurray so I'll survive but to the newbees, don't overpay or eventually you will ruin the deal for yourselves.

I have see it happen in Brazil when the xchange rate was good, lots of inexperienced guys flocking to Brazil and over paying in Help, they fucked that up and forget CR they fucked that up years ago.

Time to go to Paraguay or Uruguay or Bolivia where the gringos seldom roam.[/QUOTE]This is my first post on here and that sucks LOL. I was planning a trip but I'll go back to dating or just pay a pro here before I head down there to pay that much.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2754175]Sure, I half agree. But the other half of the problem is guys who complain when hookers, who pretend who to be girlfriends, become hookers again. If you choose a girl and she stays w you for money, you are always going to run the risk that she or you will pull the plug for money.[/QUOTE]It's obvious. Everything has it's price. You and me too. Any normal woman spread her legs to anyone. It depends on the sum of the money the anyone wants to offer. In addition, prostitutes have easy going mind. If she had many men, +1 means nothing to her. In her mind, self-esteem, she is a good girl. If someone thinks differently, he fools himself.

[QUOTE=KittenMittons;2754413]First time there. Anyone want to grab a drink and prowl for a bit?[/QUOTE]The Woodman does tours of the Sante Fe area.

[QUOTE=AdMan32;2754446]This is my first post on here and that sucks LOL. I was planning a trip but I'll go back to dating or just pay a pro here before I head down there to pay that much.[/QUOTE]He's talking about 1 woman in a city of 10 million. There are at least 4 or 5 other women.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2754629]The Woodman does tours of the Sante Fe area.[/QUOTE]Never needed a tour anywhere I've been in the past and have found a way to get by, but it sure seems like you all give this guy good reviews!

Trying to get a subscription for this site is a nightmare, bitcoin is a mess. Went to a Bitcoin ATM which seemed cool but found out it requires some sort of obscure app and account. Figured might as well just do Binance and credit card. Get home, signed up for Binance got it all setup and bought my BTC just to find out I can't send money for 10 days! I've wasted hours just trying to give this site $25.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2754103]I would rule out her asking 250 just for me to leave her alone. We have had many conversations over the years and we know each other very well. In fact we never even discussed money or time for that matter ever, in the past. I'm sure she would accept a little less but just the though of her asking me for 250 pissed me off. Her exact words were " when we first met you were my first American I ever met, Now I know different and men need to pay me 250. She went from a non pro to hardened pro. The guys who are the biggest problem are the ones who comes once a year and couldn't get laid in the states with a fist full of Fifties. And get stupid over some hot pussy.[/QUOTE]Like you said she is now a hardened pro. And if she is a universally attractive girl who has many suitors 200 mil won't get it done.

This is not to say anything is your fault.

It simply happens with all the girls. When they start out young they take 200 mil.

As they get older they realize other girls who they feel they are superior to are making a lot more $$.

Once they start making life changing money they forget about school and their goals.

They take a 5 year period make a lot of money and blow it all.

They use their looks and body to have men travel the world and buy expensive gifts.

And when their looks fade and they have nothing left they come back to where they started.

This is the prepago cycle for 99% of the girls.

The 1% that are lucky and have a brain will either start a biz or marry a gringo and actually have a decent future.

You can't ever control what another man pays a girl.

It's like anything else in life. Some guys pay 5000 $ to buy front row seats and others pay 50 $ to be at the same event to watch it from far away.

The end result is the same. Both parties were there and saw it live.

This is just how life is in everything we do.

The best thing that happened for you is you realized and she let you know it's simply just business and nothing more.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2754728]

It simply happens with all the girls....

They take a 5 year period make a lot of money and blow it all. They use their looks and body to have men travel the world and buy expensive gifts.

And when their looks fade and they have nothing left they come back to where they started. This is the prepago cycle for 99% of the girls.

The 1% that are lucky and have a brain will either start a biz or marry a gringo and actually have a decent future. .[/QUOTE]This is 110% correct. In my 11 to 12 years of visiting Medellin I've seen this happen dozens of times. The really attractive, as well as smart and personable girls are able to find a foreign benefactor during that time and often move to Europe or the US. A good number use their earnings to buy a house, start a business, or pay off college. The largest number spend it as quickly as they make it on trips and parties. For the lower and working class I would say it's almost a socially acceptable 'phase' for the young women given how common it seems to be. It seems to end when they hit 25 or have more than 1 kid.

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[QUOTE=KittenMittons;2754715]Never needed a tour anywhere I've been in the past and have found a way to get by, but it sure seems like you all give this guy good reviews!

Trying to get a subscription for this site is a nightmare, bitcoin is a mess. Went to a Bitcoin ATM which seemed cool but found out it requires some sort of obscure app and account. Figured might as well just do Binance and credit card. Get home, signed up for Binance got it all setup and bought my BTC just to find out I can't send money for 10 days! I've wasted hours just trying to give this site $25.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2754728]Like you said she is now a hardened pro. And if she is a universally attractive girl who has many suitors 200 mil won't get it done.

This is not to say anything is your fault.

It simply happens with all the girls. When they start out young they take 200 mil.

As they get older they realize other girls who they feel they are superior to are making a lot more $$.

Once they start making life changing money they forget about school and their goals.

They take a 5 year period make a lot of money and blow it all.

They use their looks and body to have men travel the world and buy expensive gifts.

And when their looks fade and they have nothing left they come back to where they started.

This is the prepago cycle for 99% of the girls.

The 1% that are lucky and have a brain will either start a biz or marry a gringo and actually have a decent future.

You can't ever control what another man pays a girl.

It's like anything else in life. Some guys pay 5000 $ to buy front row seats and others pay 50 $ to be at the same event to watch it from far away.

The end result is the same. Both parties were there and saw it live.

This is just how life is in everything we do.

The best thing that happened for you is you realized and she let you know it's simply just business and nothing more.[/QUOTE]Keeping her out of the forums decrease the chance that a gringo comes and pay more simple as that.

I remember back then I was fucking a 9. 5 in looks, 10 in in sex girl in a brothel in a Caribbean island. I told a forum member that was visiting the Caribbean island about that girl. He went to have sex with her and could not believe how good the sex was so went to write a report about her. We were all paying the normal brothel fee 25 dollar for 30 min. 2 days later she was nowhere to be found, word around was a gringo was paying her 1500 $ so she would not have sex with none else, after that he took her for 2 weeks to the hotel, bought her new iphone and bags and everything. When the girl came back she said she would not fuck for less then 100 $ for 30 min. I didn't matter because another some other dude came from the States and was doing the same. After that last thing I heard she in the states some gringo married her.

It has been a dreary rainy season, I'm hoping it will be nicer soon. I was glad it stopped last night. I Went out about 8 for 4 hours+. There were more than a few Very Hot Streety Sweeties-- I met a super Hot 19 yo and banged her silly -- My newest GF, LOL. She was smoking a joint while I banged her doggie style-- Fun Girl!!

Most of the clubs were full of girls. We were in Venus and this guy banged this pretty hot stripper right on stage. First she gave him a BJ while sitting in a chair and then he banged her doggie style on the stage. They even gave him kneepads!

We were surrounded by a whole gaggle of Hot Club Girls-- Best Clubs last night were Troya, Venus, Fiebre and Paisa-- But the others were OK too.

By the time I left near midnight the* SGs were thinning out.

They are redoing the streets so Hopefully guys won't get so triggered, LOL.

Lotta rain but still -- Fun Fun Fun.

[QUOTE=Cursnoop;2754893]Keeping her out of the forums decrease the chance that a gringo comes and pay more simple as that.

I remember back then I was fucking a 9. 5 in looks, 10 in in sex girl in a brothel in a Caribbean island. I told a forum member that was visiting the Caribbean island about that girl. He went to have sex with her and could not believe how good the sex was so went to write a report about her. We were all paying the normal brothel fee 25 dollar for 30 min. 2 days later she was nowhere to be found, word around was a gringo was paying her 1500 $ so she would not have sex with none else, after that he took her for 2 weeks to the hotel, bought her new iphone and bags and everything. When the girl came back she said she would not fuck for less then 100 $ for 30 min. I didn't matter because another some other dude came from the States and was doing the same. After that last thing I heard she in the states some gringo married her.[/QUOTE]The issue with Colombia is its a very very big country.

Also now it's a hotspot for girls. The truth is it always was but only recently people felt safe to come here for the women.

It's always been a known fact that Colombian women are some of the most beautiful girls.

Keeping her off the forums won't help. This board makes up for maybe 5% of mongers??

Its not like guys are posting much about their favorites etc. Only the well known fb girls.

If she is universally hot some guy will eventually outbid the next. Happens to everyone.

But as always there's always more new girls everyday.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2754975]The issue with Colombia is its a very very big country.

Also now it's a hotspot for girls. The truth is it always was but only recently people felt safe to come here for the women.

It's always been a known fact that Colombian women are some of the most beautiful girls.

Keeping her off the forums won't help. This board makes up for maybe 5% of mongers??

Its not like guys are posting much about their favorites etc. Only the well known fb girls.

If she is universally hot some guy will eventually outbid the next. Happens to everyone.

But as always there's always more new girls everyday.[/QUOTE]The board can amkes up for maybe 5% but a lot of info on this board is available for non members / lurkers.

The less info someone has about a girl the more dificult it is for them to find her.

Example if I post a pic or facebook profile from one of my favorite I bet you today a guy is going to send her a message and posting to willing to pay 10 x or more my amount and take her out market. Why should I make it easy for someone who is going to make it difficult for me? Back then guys would just fuck give her same amount and move one but dudes now want to save her and make her available only for themself. Ofcourse there are always new girls but it takes time to get to know them and to fuck them.

Thanks for the report Woodman. I take it that California (I think that's the name but the one on the corner of 16 and calle 23) isn't worth it? Also what's the consensus on La Piscina? Seems like in its heyday it was good but since it's reopened its not worth it?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2754910]It has been a dreary rainy season, I'm hoping it will be nicer soon. I was glad it stopped last night. I Went out about 8 for 4 hours+. There were more than a few Very Hot Streety Sweeties-- I met a super Hot 19 yo and banged her silly -- My newest GF, LOL. She was smoking a joint while I banged her doggie style-- Fun Girl!!

Most of the clubs were full of girls. We were in Venus and this guy banged this pretty hot stripper right on stage. First she gave him a BJ while sitting in a chair and then he banged her doggie style on the stage. They even gave him kneepads!

We were surrounded by a whole gaggle of Hot Club Girls-- Best Clubs last night were Troya, Venus, Fiebre and Paisa-- But the others were OK too.

By the time I left near midnight the* SGs were thinning out.

They are redoing the streets so Hopefully guys won't get so triggered, LOL.

Lotta rain but still -- Fun Fun Fun.[/QUOTE]

Think that's a bit exaggerated honestly. It's Colombia we're talking about and Bogota at that. I don't know of anyone that contacts a girl and just comes out with their own price, even the lurkers of the groups. It typically works that you contact a girl and the girl tells you her price so don't know of many people that are just going to come out and say "hey, I'll give you 3-10 x what you usually want."

I'll go back to I think it was Mr E when he said the girls a pro no matter how you look at it. No obligation for any girl to spread open her legs and if she does and she wants to take a chance on quoting something stupid for her time then she also knows that you can either take it or walk away. Personally think it's stupid for a girl to do that but then again I've never had to sell my body and not in the similar situation of being a male gigolo and some middle aged hag contacts me every time she's down in my country asking for my the. When that happens I'll let you know how much I quote lmao. Probably the first time I'll take what I can get. The 2nd time I might set a standard price then the 3rd time I might think to myself this hoe loves my the and wants it all the time so I'll charge way more this time. Maybe I need to be a gigolo bahahaha.

[QUOTE=Cursnoop;2755419]The board can amkes up for maybe 5% but a lot of info on this board is available for non members / lurkers.

The less info someone has about a girl the more dificult it is for them to find her.

Example if I post a pic or facebook profile from one of my favorite I bet you today a guy is going to send her a message and posting to willing to pay 10 x or more my amount and take her out market. Why should I make it easy for someone who is going to make it difficult for me? Back then guys would just fuck give her same amount and move one but dudes now want to save her and make her available only for themself. Ofcourse there are always new girls but it takes time to get to know them and to fuck them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2755767]Thanks for the report Woodman. I take it that California (I think that's the name but the one on the corner of 16 and calle 23) isn't worth it? Also what's the consensus on La Piscina? Seems like in its heyday it was good but since it's reopened its not worth it?[/QUOTE]La Piscina is closed-- It has been years since I went there.

California can be good, you get more street girls in there and sometimes there are some hot girls. Seems like ther are a lot of average girls too.

Same goes for Texas which is on 16 and calle 23-- California is in the middle of the block on CL23.

I think they are under the same management. What I don't like about those 2 are a few of the touts who are a bit aggressive. Don't let them intimidate you.

[QUOTE=KittenMittons;2754715]Never needed a tour anywhere I've been in the past and have found a way to get by, but it sure seems like you all give this guy good reviews!

Trying to get a subscription for this site is a nightmare, bitcoin is a mess. Went to a Bitcoin ATM which seemed cool but found out it requires some sort of obscure app and account. Figured might as well just do Binance and credit card. Get home, signed up for Binance got it all setup and bought my BTC just to find out I can't send money for 10 days! I've wasted hours just trying to give this site $25.[/QUOTE]Its just going to give you a feel for the scene faster and waste less of your time.

I just watched a video of Ybor City in Tampa having not been there for years. I realize I felt safer when I was in Santa Fe than I would in Ybor City now. Ybor Strip, the strip club now called Scarlett's, late 90's could have fit right in with Santa Fe 2019.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2755771]I don't know of anyone that contacts a girl and just comes out with their own price, even the lurkers of the groups. It typically works that you contact a girl and the girl tells you her price so don't know of many people that are just going to come out and say "hey, I'll give you 3-10 x what you usually want."[/QUOTE]A lot of guys report doing it by making the first offer. I think they see it as they are offering some type of "going rate" or even a rate that is cheaper than back home. But I am like how do you know she would not have told you a lower price if you had not made the offer first?

Do people really set out to buy cars or houses and just walk up and offer the owner a price without asking how much they want for it first? If there is anything I have learned from reading this board it is that a lot of guys treat buying pussy different than they do buying anything else.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2755860]La Piscina is closed-- It has been years since I went there.[/QUOTE]Is it really closed? Because some nights it appears to be open. And somebody must still be paying the light bill at that mf. I never understood how it was open in the first place. There must have been some kind of money laundering operation at the place because I have never seen more than 2 customers inside. Well I probably saw 2 customers once. Another time 1 customer. And every other time I walked through there it was zero.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2755771]Think that's a bit exaggerated honestly. It's Colombia we're talking about and Bogota at that. I don't know of anyone that contacts a girl and just comes out with their own price, even the lurkers of the groups. It typically works that you contact a girl and the girl tells you her price so don't know of many people that are just going to come out and say "hey, I'll give you 3-10 x what you usually want."[/QUOTE]Prime example from the Medellin thread right now!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2755844]You determine what you want to pay and the girl will decide whether she will accept it. 200-250 k is a good starting point and then you will have to decide whether to move up your bid or lose the girl. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2756031]Is it really closed? Because some nights it appears to be open. And somebody must still be paying the light bill at that mf. I never understood how it was open in the first place. There must have been some kind of money laundering operation at the place because I have never seen more than 2 customers inside. Well I probably saw 2 customers once. Another time 1 customer. And every other time I walked through there it was zero.[/QUOTE]I have not seen LP open in a long time-- There are people working on admin inside. I know that they own other properties like the small bars across the street probably more in the area.

Every stripclub / hotel in Santa Fe is most likely mob run-- All the billions from North American / European / Aussie coke has to go somewhere. There are so many malls and highrise office buildings that stand empty, obviously money laundering.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2755860]L

Same goes for Texas which is on 16 and calle 23-- California is in the middle of the block on CL23.

I think they are under the same management. What I don't like about those 2 are a few of the touts who are a bit aggressive. Don't let them intimidate you.[/QUOTE]Those touts from Texas and California are mostly just kids. I guess I've seen a couple older guys in the group at times.

Mostly just trying to egg you on to get you in the club so they can make a buck.

I've never seen them as intimidating, maybe annoying at times.

I'm actually glad they're on the street there, especially at night. Keeps it safer that way.

I jokingly call them marijuaneros and rap with them at times.

Most are pretty good guys, trying to survive in that tough world they're in.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2756118]Those touts from Texas and California are mostly just kids. I guess I've seen a couple older guys in the group at times.

Mostly just trying to egg you on to get you in the club so they can make a buck.

I've never seen them as intimidating, maybe annoying at times.

I'm actually glad they're on the street there, especially at night. Keeps it safer that way.

I jokingly call them marijuaneros and rap with them at times.

Most are pretty good guys, trying to survive in that tough world they're in.[/QUOTE]They don't intimidate me-- THey attempt to- and they are too pushy-- Personally I don't like DickHeads like that. And I do not trust them at all-.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2756028]A lot of guys report doing it by making the first offer. I think they see it as they are offering some type of "going rate" or even a rate that is cheaper than back home. But I am like how do you know she would not have told you a lower price if you had not made the offer first?

Do people really set out to buy cars or houses and just walk up and offer the owner a price without asking how much they want for it first? If there is anything I have learned from reading this board it is that a lot of guys treat buying pussy different than they do buying anything else.[/QUOTE]Some girls, especially those just starting out, have no clue how much to ask. They don't know what going rates are. Pros will quote a price before you even say Hi. Seeking / Tinder / FB girls that are new to this, usually would like a guy to make a first move. Some girls prefer not to discuss price at all and just hope they will be taken care of. This is my favorite audience, because I prefer my relationships to feel less transactional.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2756144]Some girls, especially those just starting out, have no clue how much to ask. They don't know what going rates are. Pros will quote a price before you even say Hi. Seeking / Tinder / FB girls that are new to this, usually would like a guy to make a first move. Some girls prefer not to discuss price at all and just hope they will be taken care of. This is my favorite audience, because I prefer my relationships to feel less transactional.[/QUOTE]This is great insight. I just have one concern. When doing things your favorite way as stated above, aren't you opening yourself up to the risk that the girl will ask for something unreasonable after the deed is done? This could lead to trouble if you don't comply from what I understand. It sounds like a the a high risk high reward type deal. I'm just trying to understand as I'm still putting together my plan of attack if you will. I'd love to try it your way on the contingency you have some sort of best practice to mitigate the risk that seem obvious to me. Keep in mind I've never been to Colombia and I know just enough Spanish to tell the locals confidently that I don't know Spanish. I say that to say, I maybe looking at this wrong and I urge you to correct me if that is the case.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2756133]They don't intimidate me-- THey attempt to- and they are too pushy-- Personally I don't like DickHeads like that. And I do not trust them at all-.[/QUOTE]Ok Woodman, I understand your take.

They just never seem even attempting to intimidate me.
Just convince me, Lol, and yes, they can be pushy, but no more than the guys on the other street trying to get you in their clubs.
Imo theyre not intimidating type guys.

I just say some joke and they laugh and I move on.
I personally don't think they're dickheads, at least not the guys I've dealt with.
You're obviously entitled to your opinion tho.

And I don't trust them either. I don't trust anyone I meet in Colombia, Lol.

I am curious about best practice as well as some don't want to say anything. Some just say that they want benefits. So I'm not sure, but assume l, they want to be wined and dined, travel, and so on. Someone mentioned this before, but I did get one who was not happy about offering an hourly rate. She was okay with a longer date. I'm guessing it's like sugar dating.

Got PM now so feel free to message me as well on your experiences, tips, advices if you don't want to post.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2756295]This is great insight. I just have one concern. When doing things your favorite way as stated above, aren't you opening yourself up to the risk that the girl will ask for something unreasonable after the deed is done? This could lead to trouble if you don't comply from what I understand. It sounds like a the a high risk high reward type deal. I'm just trying to understand as I'm still putting together my plan of attack if you will. I'd love to try it your way on the contingency you have some sort of best practice to mitigate the risk that seem obvious to me. Keep in mind I've never been to Colombia and I know just enough Spanish to tell the locals confidently that I don't know Spanish. I say that to say, I maybe looking at this wrong and I urge you to correct me if that is the case.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2756295]This is great insight. I just have one concern. When doing things your favorite way as stated above, aren't you opening yourself up to the risk that the girl will ask for something unreasonable after the deed is done? This could lead to trouble if you don't comply from what I understand. It sounds like a the a high risk high reward type deal. I'm just trying to understand as I'm still putting together my plan of attack if you will. I'd love to try it your way on the contingency you have some sort of best practice to mitigate the risk that seem obvious to me. Keep in mind I've never been to Colombia and I know just enough Spanish to tell the locals confidently that I don't know Spanish. I say that to say, I maybe looking at this wrong and I urge you to correct me if that is the case.[/QUOTE]Technically, if no money were discussed prior to a date, you don't owe her shit. In this case, you pay whatever amount you find reasonable or not pay at all, if you feel like she is a non pro and doesn't care about the money. Here is what I usually do:

1. If a girl tells me her hourly / nightly rate, with or without extra charge for BBBJ, etc. I pass on her. Not interested in pros. Even if her price is within my budget.

2. If a girl doesn't give me a quote but asks me what my offer is, I give her a wide range. Say, 250 k to 500 k cop. I proceed to tell her how I see our date going, without going too much into detail, and that the better chemistry we have and the longer she stays with me, the more I will pay (within the range). I also like to tell that if all goes great, I would love to see her on a regular basis. All of these is used to motivate a girl.

3. If a girl doesn't mention price at all, I don't mention it either. In this case I treat her like a non pro and look forward to a normal date, which sometimes ends at my place, but not always.

I get your point, we all know these crazy stories when a hooker gets mad and calls police or threatens you, but I think these girls fall into the first category, they are easy to weed out. Categorie 2 and 3 girls usually are not drama queens and probably won't cause you any problems. If you pay her below her expected price, chances are you won't see her again, which might be a good or bad thing. When I go on a date, I usually meet a girl in a public place, we go out for drinks or dinner, and spend some time to get to know each other. If the date doesn't go well and I feel like she might cause problems, I call it a night and go back to my apartment alone, you are better off losing a few bucks on dinner than having some drama or police involved at your place.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2756376]Technically, if no money were discussed prior to a date, you don't owe her shit. In this case, you pay whatever amount you find reasonable or not pay at all, if you feel like she is a non pro and doesn't care about the money. Here is what I usually do:

1. If a girl tells me her hourly / nightly rate, with or without extra charge for BBBJ, etc. I pass on her. Not interested in pros. Even if her price is within my budget.

2. If a girl doesn't give me a quote but asks me what my offer is, I give her a wide range. Say, 250 k to 500 k cop. I proceed to tell her how I see our date going, without going too much into detail, and that the better chemistry we have and the longer she stays with me, the more I will pay (within the range). I also like to tell that if all goes great, I would love to see her on a regular basis. All of these is used to motivate a girl.l

[/QUOTE]Good plan.

Isn't girl in option 2 a pro as well? 🤔 Lol.

I do like your motivation tactics tho.
Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2756412]Good plan.

Isn't girl in option 2 a pro as well? 🤔 Lol.

I do like your motivation tactics tho.
Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Semi-pro. Someone who doesn't do this for living. Like a college girl living with her parents trying to earn a few bucks to buy a new dress or a purse.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2756413]Semi-pro. Someone who doesn't do this for living. Like a college girl living with her parents trying to earn a few bucks to buy a new dress or a purse.[/QUOTE]Got it! Thanks.

I like all pros. Semi, regular, part time, full time, union, Lol

Except for hardened pros of course. 😬

[QUOTE=Balboa;2756650]Got it! Thanks.

I like all pros. Semi, regular, part time, full time, union, Lol

Except for hardened pros of course.[/QUOTE]If you soak the hardened ones in hydrogen peroxide diluted with water they'll soften up.

At least it works with ear wax.

Bogota to Cucuta / Bucaramanga / Cali / Medellin by bus: I was interested in night bus from Bogota to Cucuta. I got following information from inquiring at Bogota bus terminus. The list is in the order of the booths in terminal, from left to right.

Berlinas: 100 k to Cucuta, buses at 4:45 pm, 5:45 pm (piso 2 bus), 7:10 pm, 8:55 pm, 10:15 pm, 12 midnight.

65 k to Bucaramanga, buses at 7:30 am, 8:30 am, 9:45 am.

No bus to Cali or Medellin.

Bolivariano: Cali bus at 7:30 pm, 8 pm, 9:30 pm, and 10 pm (piso 2 bus).

Medellin bus at 6:40 pm (?77 k), 9 pm (?87 k), 12 midnight (piso 2 bus).

Cucuta last bus at 5:30 pm.

No bus to Bucaramanga.

Copetran: 170 k to Cucuta, buses at 7:20 pm, 8:20 pm, 11:10 pm.

105 k to Bucaramanga, buses at 6, 6:40,7:20,8. I think all are morning bus.

No bus to Cali or Medelling.

Omega: 100 k to Cucuta, buses at 6:10 pm, 8:15 pm, 9:40 pm.

70 k to Bucaramanga, buses at 7:45,4:30,10. I think 7:45 am, 4:30 pm, 10 pm.

No bus to Cali or Medellin.

Rapido Ochoa: 85 k to Medellin, buses at 4:30 pm /6:30 pm, 9 pm, 10:30 pm.

Libertadores: No bus to Cucuta / Cali / Medellin. Only small van to Bucaramanga.

Rapido El Carmen: No bus to Cucuta / Bucaramanga / Cali / Medellin.

Reina: Bucaramanga buses at 6 am, 9 am. No bus to Cucuta / Cali / Medellin.

Cotrans: 80 k to Cucuta, bus at 11 pm. No bus to Bucaramanga / Cali / Medellin.

Expreso Brasilia: No bus to Cucuta / Cali. 90 k to Medellin. No morning bus to Medellin / Bucaramanga.

Flota Rionegro: No bus to Cucuta / Bucaramanga / Cali / Medellin.

Concorde: 80 k to Cucuta, buses at 6 pm, 7 pm, 8 pm, 10 pm.

Bucaramanga buses at 4:30 pm, 6:50 pm, 9 am.

No bus to Cali / Medellin.

Macarena /'Expreso Favito'Trans Alianza': No bus to Cucuta / Bucaramanga / Cali / Medellin.

Flota Magdalena: Cali buses at 8:30 am, 10 am, 12 noon, 2:30 pm.

Medelling buses at 6:20 am, 8:40 am, 10 am.

I took the night bus from Bucaramanga to Cucuta, and can confirm that the above information for Bogota to Cucuta was valid.

I took 11:10 pm bus for 100 k (don't remember which bus), but the bus travelled through Bucaramanga, which is a longer route. So, I guess the buses charging 80 k from Bogota to Cucuta would take the direct / shorter route.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2756376]Technically, if no money were discussed prior to a date, you don't owe her shit. In this case, you pay whatever amount you find reasonable or not pay at all, if you feel like she is a non pro and doesn't care about the money. Here is what I usually do:[/QUOTE]I remember an SA girl / in law school who lived with Mom. She always had to be home by 8-9 pm. Yep really. I used to give her a hard time, saying can't you just get a note from Mom to meet me? Then she shows up driving her Mom's Mercedes. I was quite after that. Almost felt I was out of my league.

Another SA girl finishing flight attendant school. Show's up in her uniform! Sexy!

And recently in Medellin. An actual model who has me take photos for her IG account and tells me if we go out in public people here know me and we will get "looks".

A violinist / gymnast / blond in Bog who was sales & marketing director for a Russian company that no one would do business with anymore. Sang to me in French. Has an actual Visa. wow was good in bed.

All these girls are bilingual. All can do without. So they are extremely picky. And yes they also expect $ at first. Later maybe not. Good luck to the guys who understand. Now ff only I could figure out this FB game. I want to use my real account. Any ideas?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2756376]Technically, if no money were discussed prior to a date, you don't owe her shit. In this case, you pay whatever amount you find reasonable or not pay at all, if you feel like she is a non pro and doesn't care about the money. Here is what I usually do:

1. If a girl tells me her hourly / nightly rate, with or without extra charge for BBBJ, etc. I pass on her. Not interested in pros. Even if her price is within my budget.

2. If a girl doesn't give me a quote but asks me what my offer is, I give her a wide range. Say, 250 k to 500 k cop. I proceed to tell her how I see our date going, without going too much into detail, and that the better chemistry we have and the longer she stays with me, the more I will pay (within the range). I also like to tell that if all goes great, I would love to see her on a regular basis. All of these is used to motivate a girl.

3. If a girl doesn't mention price at all, I don't mention it either. In this case I treat her like a non pro and look forward to a normal date, which sometimes ends at my place, but not always.

I get your point, we all know these crazy stories when a hooker gets mad and calls police or threatens you, but I think these girls fall into the first category, they are easy to weed out. Categorie 2 and 3 girls usually are not drama queens and probably won't cause you any problems. If you pay her below her expected price, chances are you won't see her again, which might be a good or bad thing. When I go on a date, I usually meet a girl in a public place, we go out for drinks or dinner, and spend some time to get to know each other. If the date doesn't go well and I feel like she might cause problems, I call it a night and go back to my apartment alone, you are better off losing a few bucks on dinner than having some drama or police involved at your place.[/QUOTE]This is great advice. Thanks.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2756722]I remember an SA girl / in law school who lived with Mom. She always had to be home by 8-9 pm. Yep really. I used to give her a hard time, saying can't you just get a note from Mom to meet me? Then she shows up driving her Mom's Mercedes. I was quite after that. Almost felt I was out of my league.

Another SA girl finishing flight attendant school. Show's up in her uniform! Sexy!

And recently in Medellin. An actual model who has me take photos for her IG account and tells me if we go out in public people here know me and we will get "looks".

A violinist / gymnast / blond in Bog who was sales & marketing director for a Russian company that no one would do business with anymore. Sang to me in French. Has an actual Visa. wow was good in bed.

All these girls are bilingual. All can do without. So they are extremely picky. And yes they also expect $ at first. Later maybe not. Good luck to the guys who understand. Now ff only I could figure out this FB game. I want to use my real account. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]As someone who uses their real account, I don't recommend it. Eventually everyone on your regular friend lust will be receiving messages and friend requests from Colombianas. If that might cause you problems I recommend getting a new tablet, using it to set up a new Facebook account and only use that tablet for your alter ego.

Once you have a lot of connections in Medellin you can start finding a few in Bogota, but it's not as common.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2756353]Ok Woodman, I understand your take.

They just never seem even attempting to intimidate me.
Just convince me, Lol, and yes, they can be pushy, but no more than the guys on the other street trying to get you in their clubs.
Imo theyre not intimidating type guys.

I just say some joke and they laugh and I move on.
I personally don't think they're dickheads, at least not the guys I've dealt with.
You're obviously entitled to your opinion tho.

And I don't trust them either. I don't trust anyone I meet in Colombia, Lol.[/QUOTE]I've been going down there too much too, but I do get along better with the guys on 16 a much better.

I tip a lot of those guys but when they start acting entitled is the problem.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2756806]I've been going down there too much too, but I do get along better with the guys on 16 a much better.

I tip a lot of those guys but when they start acting entitled is the problem.[/QUOTE]I get that life in Colombia is tough and I respect anyone with a job trying to make ends meet. Having said that, I fucking hate the guys that try to get you in the club and the guys who follow you into the club and expect a tip for standing behind you while you ordered a drink. Last night was my final straw and I don't know if I'll be going back to sf. I commented a while back kind of reeming a guy out for focussing on all the negative aspects of sf and none of the positive, but now I kind of see how they're inseperable. But these guys are what I hate the most by a longshot. Last night a guy followed me into a club, and so I turned back and left. Then when he wasn't looking I went back in. Then another guy in the club sees me and tries to pull the same shit. I told him "No necessito ayudar, yo puedo pedir una cervesa" and he kept following me, so I left again. He followed me into the street and yelled "FUCK YOU, MY FRIEND" jesus. It's not even having to tip them for nothing that bathers me. It's more so that I want to keep a low profile and I don't like them following me like creepers, acting like they are the reason I went in, not on my own accord. It's funny because those guys exist to bring people into the club but I bet for most people it has the opposite desired effect. Like in my case I don't even want to go back to sf because of all the people who claim to be "helping" me when all they're doing is drawing attention to me and wanting to be paid for it. Fuck that, I can't emphasize enough, fuck that. If there was a club that didn't have those guys, I would exclusively go there.

So yeah, I'm kind of over sf. As I said, the good and the bad are insepparable. Everone is bummed out because they work in such a ghetto place. Yes, there is one hot girl in the street for every 10 ugly ones, but they usually have a shit attitude and if you want more than basic mechanical service, it's no longer a good deal and you're better off finding someone better looking on mileroticos or somewhere else. The club girls are a bit better, but the clubs have their own problems like the one I mentioned, plus the obnoxiously loud electonic music and the waiting game of trying to get the attention of the girl you like without chasing her around the club like a lion chasing a ghazelle. Oh and another thing, unless you have a micropenis, bring your own condoms to the clubs in sf. The ones they give out will cut off your circulation. Not trying to flex on my dick size or anything but the session I had with a really cute venezolana in the club was pretty much ruined by this mistake.

Moving past the negative, I've met a girl on SA that I am basically making my main girl and trying to see her whenever she's available, she's fantastic. Not cheap but worth it. Had another not bad session with an SA girl. Had 2 sessions with girls from photoprepagos and both were very solid. One had kind of a shit attitude but I still really like her so much that I'm not going to share her info haha sorry. Was kinda worried that the photos or listings would be fake but they were not. Here is the other girl. She was 130 mil I think and 80 mil extra for BBBJ. Really great attitude and service. [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/esbelta-jovencita-con-mente-abierta-full-morbosa-descomplicada/23221710/[/URL].

Going to Medellin soon. I want to see for myself which city is better. I've heard a lot of people say that Bogota is cheaper but I've also heard that it's not. I've also observed that the cream of the crop on SA in Bogota is not quite at the level of Medellin, and I think that works in Medellin's favor, since the high level of competition among the hottest girls means they have a lower ceiling at how much they can charge. A lot of 8's and 9's in Bogota want the same amound of money as 10's in Medellin. Although it's really hard to compare just on photos and price since you don't know what the service will be like.

Taxi from Bogota terminal (satire): he tried to overcharge at the dropoff. For 132 taxi units, he said it is 25 k pesos. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a fare conversion chart online. When asked for a fare chart that should be behind the passenger's seat, he said he forgot to bring it. The cabify app suggested the taxi fare is 15-18 k pesos and I showed him. All the while he hasn't stopped the meter and showed me that I need to pay for the units, but I showed the photo for 132 units I took as soon as the taxi reached my place. I argued I will pay 15 k in that case, then ended up paying 23 k and he left.

Taxi meters in Medellin, coffee region (Manizales, Pereira, Armenia) are good, the meter shows in pesos. In Cali & Bogota, the meter shows units, and I don't know where to find the conversion chart. But Uber, easytaxi (cabify), Didi experience is good. So, I never used taxi in Cali & Bogota except for the initial trip from the terminal. You could avoid a taxi even from terminal and use Uber / Cabify / Didi if you are willing to walk outside the terminal and get into the car from outside.

ATMs: I found ATMs from 4 different banks in a exito store. I have usual USA cards. Schwab, etc. I tried 1 or more of my cards in these ATMs.

[URL]Servicibanca.com.co[/URL]: Has 18.2 k fee. Maximum withdrawal 2 M pesos for overseas card.

Davivienda: no fees. Maximum withdrawal 2 M pesos.

Scotiabank: Didn't use, either 600 k /900 k max withdrawal or fee or both.

Cajero: Didn't use, either 600 k /900 k max withdrawal or fee or both.

It only costs 1 mil to get the meseros to leave you alone. They'll also bring the girl you want directly to you, so you don't have to chase anyone around the club. Your entire evening can change drastically with a different outlook and attitude about the meseros. What's the deal with the "low profile" thing? No one really cares about the customers in these places. Too many hot chicks to focus your attention on.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2757244]I get that life in Colombia is tough and I respect anyone with a job trying to make ends meet. Having said that, I fucking hate the guys that try to get you in the club and the guys who follow you into the club and expect a tip for standing behind you while you ordered a drink. Last night was my final straw and I don't know if I'll be going back to sf. I commented a while back kind of reeming a guy out for focussing on all the negative aspects of sf and none of the positive, but now I kind of see how they're inseperable. But these guys are what I hate the most by a longshot. Last night a guy followed me into a club, and so I turned back and left. Then when he wasn't looking I went back in. Then another guy in the club sees me and tries to pull the same shit. I told him "No necessito ayudar, yo puedo pedir una cervesa" and he kept following me, so I left again. He followed me into the street and yelled "FUCK YOU, MY FRIEND" jesus. It's not even having to tip them for nothing that bathers me. It's more so that I want to keep a low profile and I don't like them following me like creepers, acting like they are the reason I went in, not on my own accord. It's funny because those guys exist to bring people into the club but I bet for most people it has the opposite desired effect. Like in my case I don't even want to go back to sf because of all the people who claim to be "helping" me when all they're doing is drawing attention to me and wanting to be paid for it. Fuck that, I can't emphasize enough, fuck that. If there was a club that didn't have those guys, I would exclusively go there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2757285]Taxi from Bogota terminal (satire): he tried to overcharge at the dropoff. For 132 taxi units, he said it is 25 k pesos. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a fare conversion chart online. When asked for a fare chart that should be behind the passenger's seat, he said he forgot to bring it. The cabify app suggested the taxi fare is 15-18 k pesos and I showed him. All the while he hasn't stopped the meter and showed me that I need to pay for the units, but I showed the photo for 132 units I took as soon as the taxi reached my place. I argued I will pay 15 k in that case, then ended up paying 23 k and he left.

Taxi meters in Medellin, coffee region (Manizales, Pereira, Armenia) are good, the meter shows in pesos. In Cali & Bogota, the meter shows units, and I don't know where to find the conversion chart. But Uber, easytaxi (cabify), Didi experience is good. So, I never used taxi in Cali & Bogota except for the initial trip from the terminal. You could avoid a taxi even from terminal and use Uber / Cabify / Didi if you are willing to walk outside the terminal and get into the car from outside..[/QUOTE]I found this, which may be useful. I have never been in a taxi in Bogota. My first time someone snagged me in the terminal and I foolishly followed. He tried to charge me $60, but security at my hotel heard him and stared him down until it dropped to 40 k pesos. Still way too much. I always use the Transmilenio or Uber.

[URL]https://www.infobae.com/en/2022/04/10/learn-how-to-calculate-the-taxi-fare-in-bogota/[/URL]

Cajero is Spanish for ATM, it's not a bank name. The Cajero ATMs were probably Bancolombia.

[QUOTE=FriskyFrank;2757325]It only costs 1 mil to get the meseros to leave you alone. They'll also bring the girl you want directly to you, so you don't have to chase anyone around the club. Your entire evening can change drastically with a different outlook and attitude about the meseros. What's the deal with the "low profile" thing? No one really cares about the customers in these places. Too many hot chicks to focus your attention on.[/QUOTE]It's the principle. I shouldn't have to pay someone to leave me alone, no matter how cheap it is. I don't want people touching me on the street, spreading their arms and blocking my way so I have to go on the road just to get around them, following me and repeating the 2 or 3 English words they know, drawing attention to the fact that I'm a tourist. It's a deal breaker for me. Fuck Santa fee.

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2700965]The Dann Carlton hotel chains across Colombia are total shit and should be avoided at all costs. Took me 5 months and multiple in person visits to receive a $500 refund I was due. Incompetent and terrible customer service.[/QUOTE]There are 3 in Bogota. Which one and what was the problem? Medellin has 2 both extremely high end, still reasonable and my first choice!

[QUOTE=FudiMaar;2675130]My 1 month on Seeking expires tomorrow and I have no plans to renew it. I'm in Bogota and will go to Medellin in a few days, so may reconsider it there, depending on my luck with the casas.

With Seeking, there are so many unknowns. The girl often looks different to the photos; her attitude may stink; she likely won't even show up.

(P. S- if anyone can tell me how to make some text bold in my posts, then I'd appreciate it.).

.).[/QUOTE]The same WG's on Millorotices etc. Use SA. EXCEPT maybe 5-10% are actual non or semi pro girls, educated looking for a good time and yes, sex will happen. If you treat them like Ho's. LOL they will either block you or in person you will have a problem. 200 cop. LOL DO NOT allow people to contact you. Find the ones you like and message them. It sounds like you should look elsewhere. For me it has been life changing.

Boots on the ground in SF next weekend and I just checked the exch rate and fuck. It's 4938.75 COP right now to $1 USD. I thought I was balling last month in mde at 4200 COP / USD. Anyone did an ATM withdrawal recently if so what's the offered rate? I know sometimes if rejected you get slightly more but never the full amt that Google shows.

Anyho can't wait to be back to my fav spot despite all the recent negative posts and the ocean-size massive tearful mommy I'm lonely cries lost my puta and won't go back to SF shit LOL. Woodman hope to bump into you soon man for a beer and a gangbang lmao.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2757604]The same WG's on Millorotices etc. Use SA. EXCEPT maybe 5-10% are actual non or semi pro girls, educated looking for a good time and yes, sex will happen. If you treat them like Ho's. LOL they will either block you or in person you will have a problem. 200 cop. LOL DO NOT allow people to contact you. Find the ones you like and message them. It sounds like you should look elsewhere. For me it has been life changing.[/QUOTE]In my experience unless your Spanish is good and you can go after non pros, than SA is better if you want GFE compared to casas, online escorts, or santa fe. Don't get me wrong. I love all three, but if you like GFE and you are like me, than SA is for thee.

If you just ignore the fake / touched up looking photos, Instagram types, and big / fake boobs. SA in Bogota is awesome and I am finding mostly semi pro to non. I am looking at skinner, usually pretty good to great English (B1 to C1. 5) - And way more than enough of the flaquitas / "curvey" girls I find are either non or semi pro. Of that, most are educated, looking to chill and do things like listening to music before and after and not just have sex. Some are just looking for sex though, and I am good with that too. I also mostly focused on ones that have joined in the last 3-4 months, emphasis on last 2 or less. I don't treat any like hoes any more unless its real crystal clear.

I put quotes around curvey, because curvey is very different compared to US. It does not mean mildly to very obese with massive thighs, legs, and arms. At first, I was filtering that out and it was limiting my results. It often seems what some Latinas are self describing as curvey is our version of slim but with an actual butt. And flaquita is. Well. Flaquita.

When I ignore the non desirable categories (for me) I am finding mostly non to semi pros. You can also get a real good feel from the WhatsApp status updates. If you see family photos and friend fun like parks, dogs, bars & concerts. Pretty good chance they are semi pro to non. Also, two of my favorites had WORSE pictures than the actual in person. Like I was attracted online, but knock out when we meet. Those types tend to wear very frumpy / big cloths too. I roll the dice a bit sometimes and have always been handsomely rewarded.

I have it down where I spend maybe 2 hours ever 2-3 weeks to line up more first meets than I can handle per week. Real good ROI for me both in time and money for the subscription. I tend to spend 2 months there at a time though as a reference point, but with my method I could make the same thing work in a 7-10 day trip now. My Spanish is still not great. Getting better though.

Hi,

I have been trying to grow my facebook list of girls. I'm up to 6 and some of them don't live in the right places. Can someone drop link to a Bogota girl they has friends I could add. I know it's supposedly harder in Bogota get Facebook girls, but I still would like to try. Hopefully I can break the code and find a way to use FB as a resource to acquire GFE. Any help is appreciated. 24 days until my trip and it is crunch time to find 5 - 10 possible girls (I know some will flake). If you guys have a fake facebook account with some girls on your friends list and you don't mind sharing that it would also be a help. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=TalkYes;2757244]So yeah, I'm kind of over sf. As I said, the good and the bad are insepparable. Everone is bummed out because they work in such a ghetto place. Yes, there is one hot girl in the street for every 10 ugly ones, but they usually have a shit attitude and if you want more than basic mechanical service, it's no longer a good deal and you're better off finding someone better looking on mileroticos or somewhere else. The club girls are a bit better, but the clubs have their own problems like the one I mentioned, plus the obnoxiously loud electonic music and the waiting game of trying to get the attention of the girl you like without chasing her around the club like a lion chasing a ghazelle. Oh and another thing, unless you have a micropenis, bring your own condoms to the clubs in sf. The ones they give out will cut off your circulation. Not trying to flex on my dick size or anything but the session I had with a really cute venezolana in the club was pretty much ruined by this mistake...[/QUOTE]Sorry for your bad experience- I love Santa Fe though-- I consistently get Great sex there-- Good Luck with your other ventures.

While chatting with these girls on WhatsApp do you use a US number or a local number?

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2757647]In my experience unless your Spanish is good and you can go after non pros, than SA is better if you want GFE compared to casas, online escorts, or santa fe. Don't get me wrong. I love all three, but if you like GFE and you are like me, than SA is for thee.

If you just ignore the fake / touched up looking photos, Instagram types, and big / fake boobs. SA in Bogota is awesome and I am finding mostly semi pro to non. I am looking at skinner, usually pretty good to great English (B1 to C1. 5) - And way more than enough of the flaquitas / "curvey" girls I find are either non or semi pro. Of that, most are educated, looking to chill and do things like listening to music before and after and not just have sex. Some are just looking for sex though, and I am good with that too. I also mostly focused on ones that have joined in the last 3-4 months, emphasis on last 2 or less. I don't treat any like hoes any more unless its real crystal clear.

I put quotes around curvey, because curvey is very different compared to US. It does not mean mildly to very obese with massive thighs, legs, and arms. At first, I was filtering that out and it was limiting my results. It often seems what some Latinas are self describing as curvey is our version of slim but with an actual butt. And flaquita is. Well. Flaquita.

When I ignore the non desirable categories (for me) I am finding mostly non to semi pros. You can also get a real good feel from the WhatsApp status updates. If you see family photos and friend fun like parks, dogs, bars & concerts. Pretty good chance they are semi pro to non. Also, two of my favorites had WORSE pictures than the actual in person. Like I was attracted online, but knock out when we meet. Those types tend to wear very frumpy / big cloths too. I roll the dice a bit sometimes and have always been handsomely rewarded.

I have it down where I spend maybe 2 hours ever 2-3 weeks to line up more first meets than I can handle per week. Real good ROI for me both in time and money for the subscription. I tend to spend 2 months there at a time though as a reference point, but with my method I could make the same thing work in a 7-10 day trip now. My Spanish is still not great. Getting better though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2757912]While chatting with these girls on WhatsApp do you use a US number or a local number?[/QUOTE]I have a local number.

[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2700965]The Dann Carlton hotel chains across Colombia are total shit and should be avoided at all costs. Took me 5 months and multiple in person visits to receive a $500 refund I was due. Incompetent and terrible customer service.[/QUOTE]Not sure how you let the Hotel get that deep into you. $500 usd but trying to get ANY refund in Colombia / Latin America in general is very difficult. It's almost always much easier to challenge the charge with your bank.

After dozens and dozens and years of trips in Bogota I took my trip on the transMilenio. OMG never again. Last week in Bogota may have been the wettest I've seen in years in Bogota. As most of you know when you need to travel in the city during rush hour it is bad but rush hour +Torrential Rain and it's a nightmare. Taxis and Uber were useless from the Cra 11 why 94 in Chico Norte as traffic was stand still. So we walked to the bus and to the TransMilenio was our fastest option so reluctantly, I agreed. . My girls mom was in the hospital for her kidneys. San Carlos hospital is good distance south of Chico Norte for me and with each stop along the way more and more people pushed their way into the car, to the point there was not room for a news paper between us and they kept pushing their way into the car, to the point I started giving people shit about it. My girl tried to calm me down but I was pissed, to the point we almost couldn't even get out at our stop because everyone was so jammed in. The further you travel south in the system the more crowded it gets because less and less people who live in the south can afford taxis or Uber so the last resort for most are the very dangerous buses and the over crowed TM system. As I'm sure you have seen buses why the TM packed from a distance as they drove by from my view from the taxi but it's a whole different perspective when your in there all the way into the south of Bogota. If it wasn't for her mom in the hospital, I never would have went in the first place, I don't do mass transit. Today she wrote me on WA as I'm back in the states now that shehad a dream we were in the TM together. I told her that was not a dream, that was a nightmare.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2757775]I have been trying to grow my facebook list of girls. I'm up to 6 and some of them don't live in the right places. Can someone drop link to a Bogota girl they has friends I could add. I know it's supposedly harder in Bogota get Facebook girls, but I still would like to try. [/QUOTE]Why won't you accept that that is not a Bogota thing? As you said, you have tried and you have come up with 6 that don't even live in the right places. But keep trying and maybe you can invent a wheel that has not already been invented.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2757975]Not sure how you let the Hotel get that deep into you. $500 usd but trying to get ANY refund in Colombia / Latin America in general is very difficult. It's almost always much easier to challenge the charge with your bank.[/QUOTE]It took 6 months. They kept saying yes we are refunding your $ but we have a lot of similar transactions to do. Finally I let the bank do it. Still took 60 days. If you paid DC on a credit card. You will get your money back. Well as long as you also have some record. It's not the USA.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2758006]It took 6 months. They kept saying yes we are refunding your $ but we have a lot of similar transactions to do. Finally I let the bank do it. Still took 60 days. If you paid DC on a credit card. You will get your money back. Well as long as you also have some record. It's not the USA.[/QUOTE]Damn sure is not the USA. My exgirlfriend had fraud on her debit card and it was just too bad so sad, use at your own risk. My buddy said his Avianca refund took a long time, but mine was pretty fast.

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2757775]Hi,

I have been trying to grow my facebook list of girls. I'm up to 6 and some of them don't live in the right places. Can someone drop link to a Bogota girl they has friends I could add. I know it's supposedly harder in Bogota get Facebook girls, but I still would like to try. Hopefully I can break the code and find a way to use FB as a resource to acquire GFE. Any help is appreciated. 24 days until my trip and it is crunch time to find 5 - 10 possible girls (I know some will flake). If you guys have a fake facebook account with some girls on your friends list and you don't mind sharing that it would also be a help. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You're doing better than me. In over 5 years, with over 2,000 girls added, I think there are 4 from Bogota and 2 of those are just online girls (won't meet). Since I spend very little time in Bogota never needed to dig in what's a mostly dry well.

If you want to use Facebook you are going to the wrong city. It's not a big thing for prepagos in Bogota. A few years ago you could find Bogota girls on Twitter by searching "prepago" and "masaje. "

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2757983]After dozens and dozens and years of trips in Bogota I took my trip on the transMilenio. OMG never again. Last week in Bogota may have been the wettest I've seen in years in Bogota. As most of you know when you need to travel in the city during rush hour it is bad but rush hour +Torrential Rain and it's a nightmare. Taxis and Uber were useless from the Cra 11 why 94 in Chico Norte as traffic was stand still. So we walked to the bus and to the TransMilenio was our fastest option so reluctantly, I agreed. . My girls mom was in the hospital for her kidneys. San Carlos hospital is good distance south of Chico Norte for me and with each stop along the way more and more people pushed their way into the car, to the point there was not room for a news paper between us and they kept pushing their way into the car, to the point I started giving people shit about it. My girl tried to calm me down but I was pissed, to the point we almost couldn't even get out at our stop because everyone was so jammed in. The further you travel south in the system the more crowded it gets because less and less people who live in the south can afford taxis or Uber so the last resort for most are the very dangerous buses and the over crowed TM system. As I'm sure you have seen buses why the TM packed from a distance as they drove by from my view from the taxi but it's a whole different perspective when your in there all the way into the south of Bogota. If it wasn't for her mom in the hospital, I never would have went in the first place, I don't do mass transit. Today she wrote me on WA as I'm back in the states now that shehad a dream we were in the TM together. I told her that was not a dream, that was a nightmare.[/QUOTE]You picked the wrong time of day. I've been there, both on the Transmilenio and the Metro in Medellin. There are 2 important tricks to learn. First, when it starts getting crowded find one or more pretty girls to stand next to. If you're going to have bodies pressed against you, might as well be nice and female.

The second trick is to start working your way towards the door, 3 or 4 stops early. At each stop, you shift position by a few feet. When you reach your station, say "disculpe me", lower your shoulder and make like a running back trying to get across the goal line.

There's no sense in getting angry about it. At times it's inevitable. Enjoy it.

I once waited 45 minutes for a train in Medellin. Breakdown in the system stopped all trains. After 15 minutes leaving was next to impossible and I began to worry about the platform collapsing (Estadio station). When trains finally started to arrive I waited until the 5th one before crowding on. There was absolutely no room for any more people when we left the station. At Suramerica station somehow another 20 or 30 got on. At Cisneros, when more were pushing on, someone said something I don't recall, but the whole car busted up laughing. It's only a short trip from there to San Antonio, but it was all jokes and laughter the rest of the way.

If you can't change a situation, find something to appreciate. I appreciated that I'm tall enough my nose wasn't pressed into someone's sweaty armpit.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2757983]After dozens and dozens and years of trips in Bogota I took my trip on the transMilenio. OMG never again. Last week in Bogota may have been the wettest I've seen in years in Bogota. As most of you know when you need to travel in the city during rush hour it is bad but rush hour +Torrential Rain and it's a nightmare. Taxis and Uber were useless from the Cra 11 why 94 in Chico Norte as traffic was stand still. So we walked to the bus and to the TransMilenio was our fastest option so reluctantly, I agreed. . My girls mom was in the hospital for her kidneys. San Carlos hospital is good distance south of Chico Norte for me and with each stop along the way more and more people pushed their way into the car, to the point there was not room for a news paper between us and they kept pushing their way into the car, to the point I started giving people shit about it. My girl tried to calm me down but I was pissed, to the point we almost couldn't even get out at our stop because everyone was so jammed in. The further you travel south in the system the more crowded it gets because less and less people who live in the south can afford taxis or Uber so the last resort for most are the very dangerous buses and the over crowed TM system. As I'm sure you have seen buses why the TM packed from a distance as they drove by from my view from the taxi but it's a whole different perspective when your in there all the way into the south of Bogota. If it wasn't for her mom in the hospital, I never would have went in the first place, I don't do mass transit. Today she wrote me on WA as I'm back in the states now that shehad a dream we were in the TM together. I told her that was not a dream, that was a nightmare.[/QUOTE]I was taking the private dann carlton car or uber from usaqueen all the way to Santa Fe and stopped going because the trip took so long and some drivers were afraid to go there. And was expensive 9 sort of) then I took the TransMilenio. Yep crowded as hell. Cost 50 cents and only took 15 minutes Vs. A friken hour during rush hour in an Uber. But I don't think I would take it at night. LOL.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2757633]Boots on the ground in SF next weekend and I just checked the exch rate and fuck. It's 4938.75 COP right now to $1 USD. I thought I was balling last month in mde at 4200 COP / USD. Anyone did an ATM withdrawal recently if so what's the offered rate? I know sometimes if rejected you get slightly more but never the full amt that Google shows.

Anyho can't wait to be back to my fav spot despite all the recent negative posts and the ocean-size massive tearful mommy I'm lonely cries lost my puta and won't go back to SF shit LOL. Woodman hope to bump into you soon man for a beer and a gangbang lmao.[/QUOTE]It depends on the ATM you go to, I usually used Colpatria / Scotiabank because they charged the withdrawals in Pesos and my bank would do the conversion plus fees, Now they changed it to you having to accept their exchange rate, plus an extra 15 k exchange fee.

So when I withdrew 900 k last week, it would normally be around 185 after my bank conversion plus fees. It turned into 197 with the new one.

Unfortunately, I still think that's the best I can get considering they will let me withdraw 900 k in one go, max I've seen at other ATMs is 500 k so even if they did charge in pesos, the fees ID get from multiple transactions will kill what I would've saved.

Currently in Bogota. Exchange rate is higher than ever! I exchanged dollars at 4750. Amazing. Santa Fe is better now than it has been in years. Seems like things are getting back to normal.

Riding Transmilenio you need a card that you buy in station for 6-8 mil and then you charge it up-.

Sometimes I have forgot the card and payed another passenger to let me use theirs at the turnstyle.

It's about 3 mil to ride.

Not Crowded if you ride off peak-- Certain buses stop every stop and others are express and may go for miles without stopping-.

Usually the stops are listed by the designated door for that bus-.

Some buses are less crowded during rush hour sometimes 2 of the same bus will come close together.

There is musical and dramic entertainment sometimes-- Also Buy Candy!!

There are many routes going all over so you have to know where you want to go.

Going North on Carracas use buses with a be in them.

Going South from the North Autopista-- you want stops on Calle 19/22 / 26.

If you are taking the Transmilenio line Carrera 7 the stations near Santa Fe are SanDiego and Las Nieves.

A guy I know got robbed early in the morning at Calle 19 -- they robber climbed the platform-- but it was very desolate-.

I have gone all over and never had a problem-- Every ride is a scene out of Narcos.

Got a girl who wants to exchange for clothes. Since I don't know the prices of clothing, how should I approach this. She wants shopping, should I just put a cap on a shopping spree? What have folks done when it's not money.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2758484]It depends on the ATM you go to, I usually used Colpatria / Scotiabank because they charged the withdrawals in Pesos and my bank would do the conversion plus fees, Now they changed it to you having to accept their exchange rate, plus an extra 15 k exchange fee.

So when I withdrew 900 k last week, it would normally be around 185 after my bank conversion plus fees. It turned into 197 with the new one.

Unfortunately, I still think that's the best I can get considering they will let me withdraw 900 k in one go, max I've seen at other ATMs is 500 k so even if they did charge in pesos, the fees ID get from multiple transactions will kill what I would've saved.[/QUOTE]Never used those banks before so thanks for the good intel my fellow hunter, I'll give them a shot. Doing my pushups and warming up with few days to go.

Tried many online websites like Las nenas Bogota escorts but when you search for massage republic, you get babes from local SPs like this one! Or lacelestina etc. Have variety and fairly truthfull phtotos, Rates vary fro 55-110 usd depending upon what is on menu, anal or not etc. You multiply by 4500 soles for a usd! Most are petite short Some agreed for anal with extra rate, while all of them visited 5 star hotel for very comfortable experience. All had flat tummy, small (32) boobs except Gabriela which were 34 , ages were typically betwern 19-22. Tried Gabriela colombian white ,3rd is tanned brown Anny, from Massage republic Bogota, Gabriela, From LA Celestina, Beatriz cordoba 280+200 anal, not so skilled in anai as Annie who was best in her stout athletic body form with good coperation for anal!! Annie from Eroticas Bogota 200+ 150 but paid 500 for 1. 5 HR of anal only, athletic body brunette, cooperative, she twice came, hanna, white younger 19 yrs from same eroticas Bogota, and not so skilled in anal, paid only 250+ 25 + 25 for her innocence, she was really curvy but not that athletic as annie, and quiet immature! From same eroticas Bogota Lucia Came, anal was not sought to save money 220+ 25 + 5 tip.

Bars and Meseros.

Guys quick update. I'm mid 40's and speak Spanish.

Texas and California does hire lots of meseros. They can seem overwhelming at times. I am super cool with them I actually helped one of them move to the US. And as cool as I am with all of them, I still don't spend much time on those 2 clubs. Unfortunately they are extremely mismanaged. And yes outside they can be annoying however once inside sometimes it's hard to get someone to get you a drink because they are outside being annoying. LOL.

My opinion is don't feel threatened by them or anyone else in a uniform from any bar. Unfortunately it's the culture there. It's extremely annoying at times and really unprofessional in my opinion. But when in ROME...

Also try to carry 10 mil bills when you go out to these places. Getting change there is a pain in the ass, specially earlier in the night. They don't have a cashier. The mesero is responsible to try to get you change. And if all you carry is 50 mil bills that can sometimes be a problem. The bad apples will try to see if you forget about your change. Or who even served you. Same applies to later in the night if you're drunk.

Many great bars have gone down hill due to bad management PAISAS and piscina the perfect 2 examples. They have great location and facilities. But no brains.

There are several new bars opening. There is a cozy one right by the entrance of California, on street level. I met the owner he seems to be doing things right. Should be a good place to watch World Cup games. Pink night club is far from being ready. And the black building where JOIA used to be is under construction as well. Except the guy who rented out the place and was remodeling it, is currently in jail. So who knows when that project will end.

Also. If you find yourself questioning why are all these places like this?? Why doesn't someone break the mold? It's because one lady owns most of the bars on the lower street. From ATUNES, VENUS, FIEBRE, TROYA, A'TONYS. Something like that. And yes California and Texas is the same owner as well. Also a lady. Her father left her the bares when he passed away a couple years ago. He seems to have been a well known and respected man in the neighborhood.

Hope this helps. Stay alert. Be respectful don't be a pushover, and don't make yourself a target by flaunting money around. And you can have a great time. The hunt is half the fun!

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2758650]There are many routes going all over so you have to know where you want to go.[/QUOTE]I recommend you install the smartphone App "Moovit". Very good transport app in many countries around the world. Definitely good in Bogota and Bangkok.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2757285]Taxi from Bogota terminal (satire): he tried to overcharge at the dropoff. For 132 taxi units, he said it is 25 k pesos. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a fare conversion chart online. When asked for a fare chart that should be behind the passenger's seat, he said he forgot to bring it.[/QUOTE]I recommend the smartphone App "Calculadora de Tarifas". It calculates the meter units to pesos. Plus the additional surcharges for night (2000), Telephone (800), Airport (4200), and Terminal (500 pesos).

The 132 taxi units should have been 11,200 pesos, without any surcharges.

- Info from last year. Should still be the same.

- My friends and I went to a club during the weekday, about a mile north of Zona T. I'm guessing it was Olympia, but I didn't check the name. Regardless, all the clubs seems to be the same.

- We got there around 1 am on a weekday. Not that crowded. But at around 2 am, it got a lot more crowded.

- Some people say that the same girls who work Santa Fe work at these type of clubs. Probably correct in which the same type of girls work at both places. But I'm a half empty type of guy. IMO, the same type of marginal girls who work at Santa Fe (the best of Santa Fe) also work at the northern clubs. Most of the girls at that northern club were marginal. In my engineering Bell curve, I saw 1 girl who I would consider a 7, maybe an 8. Most girls were 6's. But those people who think that Pattaya Beach Road has 7's and 8's, will think that all the girls are 9's and 10's. More power to them!

- The base price of beers was 30 something. But they add a service charge and IVA (VAT? of 18 or 19% WTF? No bar / restaurant adds a VAT). Each beer was around 50 K.

- When you pay here, or the girls, or similar type of places, pay with exact change. We paid, expecting to get around 20 K or 30 K change, but waiter did come back for couple of minutes. My friends didn't care, so we left. Since we didn't care, shit like this will happen again.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2758650]Riding Transmilenio you need a card that you buy in station for 6-8 mil and then you charge it up-.

Sometimes I have forgot the card and payed another passenger to let me use theirs at the turnstyle.

It's about 3 mil to ride.

Not Crowded if you ride off peak-- Certain buses stop every stop and others are express and may go for miles without stopping-.

Usually the stops are listed by the designated door for that bus-.

Some buses are less crowded during rush hour sometimes 2 of the same bus will come close together.

There is musical and dramic entertainment sometimes-- Also Buy Candy!!

There are many routes going all over so you have to know where you want to go.

Going North on Carracas use buses with a be in them.

Going South from the North Autopista-- you want stops on Calle 19/22 / 26.

If you are taking the Transmilenio line Carrera 7 the stations near Santa Fe are SanDiego and Las Nieves.

A guy I know got robbed early in the morning at Calle 19 -- they robber climbed the platform-- but it was very desolate-.

I have gone all over and never had a problem-- Every ride is a scene out of Narcos.[/QUOTE]Also there is an app with all you need to know. Search your app store for Transmilenio and SITP. It shows all the stations, all the routes, plus all of the SITP bus routes which go where the main lines don't. You can punch in the station closest to where you're staying and where you want to go and it will tell you which routes to take.

The Transmilenio also provides a couple of options. If you're staying near the airport, pick a hotel close to the Portal Dorado station. A short walk to the station and it's a quick ride to the Calle 22 station, no transfers or changing buses.

Or, if you're traveling light, get on the SITP bus at the airport for Portal Dorado, where you can catch the bus to drop you off close to your hotel. For example, Hotel Ibis Museo is right by the Museo Nacional station. No traffic, no taxistas, just a quick trip and you're ready to go.

One more hack. Pick a hotel or apartment close to the TransMilenio and you can almost completely eliminate the need for taxis.

My first time in Bogota I spent a few hours riding each of the lines from end to end. Midday most of the buses were nearly empty. You'll see a lot of the city and you'll notice a strange thing. Stores in Bogota are grouped together. You'll see 3 blocks where every business is a hardware store, or a bicycle shop, or a lighting store.

- EVERY single waiter will scam the tourists. I don't think that is an exaggeration. Some are worst then others.

- Numbers are from last year. With inflation as high it is, it might have changed a little bit.

- My friends and I went to the strip club near Troya. We had 3 drinks. Waiter charged us 40 K. Way too much. Since my friend paid and didn't care, that waiter scammer will do it again.

- We went to Troya. We had a few drinks plus a drink for a girl. It seems the prices are the same for us and the girl. He tried to charge us 80 K. Since I was paying, and I cared (not about the money, but the principle), I went to the bartenders. They are usually honest. The price was 51 or 52 K.

- At Troya last year, the price for a Corona was 22 K. Some guy said the waiter charged him 40 K. Yes, you got ripped off.

- California seems to be the worst. Again a waiter attempted to charge me 15 K for a beer. A beer that probably was 6 or 7 K. I don't trust the bartender at California. The bartenders at Troya and Venus are honest. The waiters at Venus aren't that bad. They "only" tried to charge me 8 K for a 6 K Poker beer. LOL!

- I tip, but I hate to be scammed. I don't see locals tip for 1 beer. Is that the norm?

- I think the waiters get a commission for each drink they sell. Maybe 2 K? One method I tried is to tell them upfront, I don't pay 100% tip, but I will give a 2 K tip. Most / all waiters should be ecstatic for a 2 K tip for 1 drink.

[QUOTE=ButockMann;2758721]Tried many online websites like Las nenas Bogota escorts but when you search for massage republic, you get babes from local SPs like this one! Or lacelestina etc. Have variety and fairly truthfull phtotos, Rates vary fro 55-110 usd depending upon what is on menu, anal or not etc. You multiply by 4500 soles for a usd! Most are petite short Some agreed for anal with extra rate, while all of them visited 5 star hotel for very comfortable experience. All had flat tummy, small (32) boobs except Gabriela which were 34 , ages were typically betwern 19-22. Tried Gabriela colombian white ,3rd is tanned brown Anny, from Massage republic Bogota, Gabriela, From LA Celestina, Beatriz cordoba 280+200 anal, not so skilled in anai as Annie who was best in her stout athletic body form with good coperation for anal!! Annie from Eroticas Bogota 200+ 150 but paid 500 for 1. 5 HR of anal only, athletic body brunette, cooperative, she twice came, hanna, white younger 19 yrs from same eroticas Bogota, and not so skilled in anal, paid only 250+ 25 + 25 for her innocence, she was really curvy but not that athletic as annie, and quiet immature! From same eroticas Bogota Lucia Came, anal was not sought to save money 220+ 25 + 5 tip.[/QUOTE]You might want to divide by 4500, currently by 5000, instead of multiplying. 200 k is $40. If you multiply, you get $900,000,000 USD, which is a bit out of most people's price range, even if anal is included.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2758678]Got a girl who wants to exchange for clothes. Since I don't know the prices of clothing, how should I approach this. She wants shopping, should I just put a cap on a shopping spree? What have folks done when it's not money.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]No one here can tell you what she's thinking. Just treat like you would treat any other hooker especially if she's the one who asked. That's a payment and an amount is needed, period.

She wants clothes in exchange for sex, is the same as wanting cash for sex.

You either ask for the amount or set it yourself and tell her, or you allow yourself to be surprised on what she picks which is risky.

Heck some guys won't even do that with non-pros or real GF, letting them think an unlimited budget. T.

He ONLY time I wouldn't set a limit would be if I offer instead of them asking, non-pros of course. But I would offer something specific like I'll take you shopping for a dress, or an outfit w matching shoes. Keyword is "a / an".

I've done that w some non-pros or my novias there, and usually would show me the item and I would approve or disapprove if it looks good but mainly after I look at the price LOL.

- There is a very cute girl on Carrera 16. As you walk from Calle 23 to Calle 24, one of the first places on the right as you past by the first bar. IMO, she is the best I've seen. I've seen her occasionally, during the day time. She is a brunette. She usually wears pants that she pulls down to her hips, not exposing anything though. She is 30 something; has a little baby damage, but hard to tell from far away. She was probably a 9 when she was 20.

- But a warning; she's a dud. Only a covered BJ. She was resistance for me to roam with my hands.

- The knock came at 7 or 8 minutes. Not an exaggeration. I timed it. When I complained, she gave me a smirk, in which I interpreted as, oh well, sucker. But around $10 for 7 or 8 minutes for an almost stunner is good from the US point of view. LOL!

- Note: To avoid the early knock, I usually get 1 hour. Even for 1 hour, you can get a knock at the 30 minute knock. The knock also depends on the girl. She can tell the person to give me the entire time period. Or if the knock comes early, she can tell that person to give us more time. Or the girl can suggest to go to another hotel that will give you the entire time period.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2758883]- Info from last year. Should still be the same.

- My friends and I went to a club during the weekday, about a mile north of Zona T. I'm guessing it was Olympia, but I didn't check the name. Regardless, all the clubs seems to be the same.

- We got there around 1 am on a weekday. Not that crowded. But at around 2 am, it got a lot more crowded.

- Some people say that the same girls who work Santa Fe work at these type of clubs. Probably correct in which the same type of girls work at both places. But I'm a half empty type of guy. IMO, the same type of marginal girls who work at Santa Fe (the best of Santa Fe) also work at the northern clubs. Most of the girls at that northern club were marginal. In my engineering Bell curve, I saw 1 girl who I would consider a 7, maybe an 8. Most girls were 6's. But those people who think that Pattaya Beach Road has 7's and 8's, will think that all the girls are 9's and 10's. More power to them!

- The base price of beers was 30 something. But they add a service charge and IVA (VAT? of 18 or 19% WTF? No bar / restaurant adds a VAT). Each beer was around 50 K.

- When you pay here, or the girls, or similar type of places, pay with exact change. We paid, expecting to get around 20 K or 30 K change, but waiter did come back for couple of minutes. My friends didn't care, so we left. Since we didn't care, shit like this will happen again.[/QUOTE]The places in SF will always try to rip you off for the Vat which foreigners don't have to pay. Hotels will try to do the same. Be aware.

[QUOTE=ButockMann;2758721]Tried many online websites like Las nenas Bogota escorts but when you search for massage republic, you get babes from local SPs like this one! Or lacelestina etc. Have variety and fairly truthfull phtotos, Rates vary fro 55-110 usd depending upon what is on menu, anal or not etc. You multiply by 4500 soles for a usd! Most are petite short Some agreed for anal with extra rate, while all of them visited 5 star hotel for very comfortable experience. All had flat tummy, small (32) boobs except Gabriela which were 34 , ages were typically betwern 19-22. Tried Gabriela colombian white ,3rd is tanned brown Anny, from Massage republic Bogota, Gabriela, From LA Celestina, Beatriz cordoba 280+200 anal, not so skilled in anai as Annie who was best in her stout athletic body form with good coperation for anal!! Annie from Eroticas Bogota 200+ 150 but paid 500 for 1. 5 HR of anal only, athletic body brunette, cooperative, she twice came, hanna, white younger 19 yrs from same eroticas Bogota, and not so skilled in anal, paid only 250+ 25 + 25 for her innocence, she was really curvy but not that athletic as annie, and quiet immature! From same eroticas Bogota Lucia Came, anal was not sought to save money 220+ 25 + 5 tip.[/QUOTE]Which girl friendly 5 star hotel did you stay. Coming for work and looking for the same.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2759012]Which girl friendly 5 star hotel did you stay. Coming for work and looking for the same.[/QUOTE]Marriott hotel near the airport. Not the courtyard but that is nice too. Very girl friendly. It is expensive now, but if you have points, they have always been dirt cheap with regards to points. Only 16,000 per night. Beautiful place. Indoor pool. Great restaurants. Netflix on the TV. Awesome gym. This hotel has the best food I have had in Colombia. For real. I have never had a problem with women wanting to leave that hotel early. They love it there.

Be in Santa Fe, if anyone fancies a beer let me know.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2758896]She wants clothes in exchange for sex, is the same as wanting cash for sex. You either ask for the amount or set it yourself and tell her, or you allow yourself to be surprised on what she picks which is risky.[/QUOTE]Yeah fuck that. A couple of years ago my nurse chick wanted a Nike jacket for her birthday. We went to the Nike store by Andino. That shit was like $100. I said never again. Even last time in Barranquilla my girl came straight over after work and we had to go to Exito to get her some clothes to wear to work for the next day. Clothes ain't as cheap as you think in Colombia unless you are going to some bargain basement store. Easier to just give the money.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2750625]I agree with this. Especially if you could find an Airbnb on Kr 4 a -- very pleasant area with a lot of good restaurants / coffee / beer. That area is close to where I stayed = very convenient. Unfortuantely, I haven't sussed out how to get the exact address for an Airbnb before renting, and although the "Equiibrium" tower (directly on Kr 7 at calle 31) had a lap pool and a jacuzzi, it was kind of otherwise alienating and cold. A dozen good / authentic restaurants on calle 30 up the hill from La Septima; although, I think they may be just day time only. I walked up there with my veneca on Sunday about 7 -- all closed. Maybe that street is a few blocks north of La Macarena. Technically, I think La Macarena is completely within Santa Fe.[/QUOTE]90 percent of the time I'll be renting an AirBnb in a condo building. I just ask the host the name of the building and then look it up on google maps. Easy.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2758962]The places in SF will always try to rip you off for the Vat which foreigners don't have to pay. Hotels will try to do the same. Be aware.[/QUOTE]I think technically if you have a 2nd guest in the room that is colombian, you do have to pay the VAT tax. Fortunately until the end of this year colombians are also exempt.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2758899]- There is a very cute girl on Carrera 16. As you walk from Calle 23 to Calle 24, one of the first places on the right as you past by the first bar. IMO, she is the best I've seen. I've seen her occasionally, during the day time. She is a brunette. She usually wears pants that she pulls down to her hips, not exposing anything though. She is 30 something; has a little baby damage, but hard to tell from far away. She was probably a 9 when she was 20.

- But a warning; she's a dud. Only a covered BJ. She was resistance for me to roam with my hands.

- The knock came at 7 or 8 minutes. Not an exaggeration. I timed it. When I complained, she gave me a smirk, in which I interpreted as, oh well, sucker. But around $10 for 7 or 8 minutes for an almost stunner is good from the US point of view. LOL!

- Note: To avoid the early knock, I usually get 1 hour. Even for 1 hour, you can get a knock at the 30 minute knock. The knock also depends on the girl. She can tell the person to give me the entire time period. Or if the knock comes early, she can tell that person to give us more time. Or the girl can suggest to go to another hotel that will give you the entire time period.[/QUOTE]If you don't want a knock go to a different hotel that the girl does not know and pay it yourself, you'll likely pay a little bit more for it. Theres 1 hotel that doesn't ever knock, you can pay for 15 minutes and they never come. One of the street girls that I used to session with showed it to me. I believe its on Calle 24 #16-37 (According to google maps) No sign or anything. Just go in and say you want 15 minutes. Showers are nice and clean but rooms are small.

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2758484]It depends on the ATM you go to, I usually used Colpatria / Scotiabank because they charged the withdrawals in Pesos and my bank would do the conversion plus fees, Now they changed it to you having to accept their exchange rate, plus an extra 15 k exchange fee.

So when I withdrew 900 k last week, it would normally be around 185 after my bank conversion plus fees. It turned into 197 with the new one.

Unfortunately, I still think that's the best I can get considering they will let me withdraw 900 k in one go, max I've seen at other ATMs is 500 k so even if they did charge in pesos, the fees ID get from multiple transactions will kill what I would've saved.[/QUOTE]Use Davivienda ATMS, limit is 2 million and no ATM fees.

Any one take a tour with the girls on [URL]https://www.showaround.com/locals/colombia/bogota[/URL] and got lucky?

[QUOTE=TooCheesy;2758484]It depends on the ATM you go to, I usually used Colpatria / Scotiabank because they charged the withdrawals in Pesos and my bank would do the conversion plus fees, Now they changed it to you having to accept their exchange rate, plus an extra 15 k exchange fee.

So when I withdrew 900 k last week, it would normally be around 185 after my bank conversion plus fees. It turned into 197 with the new one.

[/QUOTE]That sucks. Colpatria has been my go to ATM. Anyone know what the current cash rate spread is at those exchange kiosks along the streets?

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2759668]Any one take a tour with the girls on [URL]https://www.showaround.com/locals/colombia/bogota[/URL] and got lucky?[/QUOTE]Looks like a cheesy pseudo-dating app to me, with many profiles probably fake. Such a collection of all pretty tour guides ain't realistic by a long shot.

[QUOTE=Mtljay;2759668]Any one take a tour with the girls on [URL]https://www.showaround.com/locals/colombia/bogota[/URL] and got lucky?[/QUOTE]Try reddit.

Here is some brothel art you can see in Santa Fe-- I need to go to Atunes and take photos as there is a whole gallery of framed paintings.

On another spent time with a couple of members on Saturday and Sunday. These guys are into SGs and were in Heaven-.

Saturday Night off the hook for clubs and SGs-- Sunday was OK but this guy who lives in Tijuana said it was fantastic-- Way better than Tijuana scene.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2759096]Yeah fuck that. A couple of years ago my nurse chick wanted a Nike jacket for her birthday. We went to the Nike store by Andino. That shit was like $100. I said never again. Even last time in Barranquilla my girl came straight over after work and we had to go to Exito to get her some clothes to wear to work for the next day. Clothes ain't as cheap as you think in Colombia unless you are going to some bargain basement store. Easier to just give the money.[/QUOTE]Agreed there w you bro. But I said was diff, you don't have to dance to anyone's beats LOL. Meaning I call the shots and decide the purch. Now Mr E you know there some non pros that refused to take money for sex, whether they're pretending to be non hookie or have certain prestige / pride it does matter, you just play along; if she wants me to take her shopping, just spent 24 hrs w me and we just fuckd non stop for no money, then it's cool.

The thing I do is quite simple, I've been to almost all the malls, fancy clothing stores w them. No diff than if you have a real GF, they will drag you LOL. And yes I know some of the prices are even higher than the states for certain imported products. I asked them to show me the item first, I say Ye or Ne if within my price range when they show me. Some guys perhaps are afraid or embarrassed thinking they'll look cheap but you shouldn't. If anything it's the other way around. She'll take you for a sucker if you just buy anything. I know when to put my foot down.

Hi guys,

I am a new monger excited to join you guys and tell you guys my stories as well.

You can call me Yahoodi Singh.

I am traveling to Bogota for a week on Nov 20, if anyone is there let me know.

Monkeyman09 ID love to book a tour with you!

Hey everyone,

Just got back from Bogota last week for a 7-day vacation. Spent 4 in Bogota and 3 in Cartagena.

Day 1.

I got into El Dorado around 11 pm, I was staying at the be. O. G. Hotel in Zona T. I couldn't find an open exchange place in the non-secure portion of the airport, and my hotel doesn't exchange, so I went to a Davivienda and took out about 1. 2 mil at 4500 pesos, not the best rate, but I wasn't going to do my business with the ladies in dollars. At this point it was like 12-12:30 am and I had been on planes all day; the smart thing to do would have been to order in, but I decided to head down to Santa Fe. It was very lively with ladies making obscene gestures at me while I was still in the taxi. I can't remember the name of the first place I walked into, but it was dead. Like 4-5 uggos and no patrons. Went into Fiebre next and it was packed. It was 1 am so all I really wanted was a beer but the guy said you need a bottle for the table, I acquiesced, big mistake. I went with the 250 k bottle of Jose Cuervo and they brought a tiny, shitty plastic bottle of Cuervo even though the Moet champagne was only 50 k more. Scoured the place for a good 30 minutes, there was A LOT of talent, most at tables with other patrons, but there were a few 8's and 9's that were unshackled just standing. Eventually spotted a fine petite Venezuelan in a short, grey dress. She was dancing with another girl and I beckoned them over to my table.

Their names were Alejandra why Alejandra, they were cousins. Kissing cousins? Yes sir. They proved everything to me right at the table. One even pulled her titty out and the other one started sucking on it. The Alejandra I had my eyes on (A1) was blanca, petite but with vey nice curves, and a cute face. The other Alejandra (A2) was older, taller, less attractive, but had more assets and more experience.

We dance and drink for a while. They ordered like 4 x 40 k beer / Smirnoff combos, freaking rip-off, I hate the clubs. The girls started off quoting me something ridiculous for the hour, I really only wanted A1 but eventually went with both for 400 k. The room was another 50 k, and of course 20 k for the condoms, god forbid you brought your own. I'm glad I went with both in the end, the service was great, A2 was coaching A1 how to properly suck my dick, A1 was a principiante for sure. It was nice, they didn't do all the bullcrap with the wet-wipes and the condoms during the blowjob, but separate condoms during sex, I'm still searching for that experience where I can one-thrust, switch holes like in the movies. It was not a rushed experience and I finished before anyone came knocking. This is where I should have called it a night, but I'm an idiot and decided to take A1 home to my hotel. This is at like 3 am, just got off 7 hours' worth of flights, and I have another flight to Cartagena in 12 hours. A2 was very protective of A1 and didn't want her to come to my hotel, reason for this will be clear later. 200 k for A1 plus 80 k club check-out fee. Me and A1 go back to my hotel, the front desk checks her ID, give it back, no problems. I was exhausted, we only do one shot, A1's pussy is the tastiest I've ever munched on so I just snack on that for like 30 min and go to bed. Not really worth the extra 200. My night totaled at 200+400=600 for the girls, 250+160+80+50+20=560+countless tips for the club. Should've just used photoprepagos.

Day2-4.

I exchanged money at the New York Money at the Andino Mall the next morning at 4800 which is a great rate, the spot for that day was 4884. The guy was super rude though, he gave me all 50's and when I asked for some small bills, we started a shouting match. No worries though, I walked 100 ft to a bank on the same level, and a cute bank teller was more than happy to give me 5's and 10's.

Left for Cartagena, I'll try to edit this post and include the link to that report here.

Day 5.

Landed back in Bogota around 3 pm. Was staying at the 4 Seasons Zona T. Had dreams about A1's delicious pussy so decided to whatsapp her. Turns out she doesn't have a phone and gave me A2's number. We agree to meet for dinner and an all-night. I had plans to take her to Andres, but I did not know how festive people get for Halloween, this is Oct 29 and Zona T was packed. Of course Andres was sold out, they were having a Halloween event so we ended up at El Irish Pub, exactly where you want to eat when in Colombia. Seriously, it was crazy, it rivals the festivities in any large US city, everyone was dressed up.

Anyway, went back to the 4 Seasons after dinner, the hotel guy checks her ID, no problems. I wasn't so tired this time, so I really gave it to her. I had a $100 amex experience credit so we order room service the next morning, bang it out one more time, and she leaves around 10-11 am. Instead of money I gave her an old iphone SE that I had, which I know the cash value of the phone is way more than the rate, but it was just accumulating dust and depreciating in the back of my closet and I wasn't going to deal with a bunch of cheap bargain hunters on Craigslist. It kind of worked out, I'm going to repair the old iphone 6 and 8 I have for my next trip. (of course the first thing she downloads is ticktock, what a fucking generational societal poison).

Day 6.

Let A1 go around 11 am and caught up on a lot of sleep. I switched hotels back to the B. O. G. (the only reason I was at the 4 seasons is to use expiring amex perks), the 4 seasons tried to charge me a 400.000 guest fee but I nearly went schitz, threw a fit, and the guy took it off the bill. Went back to El Irish Pub (LOL I know) to watch the Bills-Packers game, it was already over by halftime so I left. A1 was busy with a birthday party.

It looks like Zona T has been trying really hard to clean things up. All the clubs on calle 86 a like Piscina de Norte were fenced off for some new development project. A couple of guys flagged me down 'chicas chicas' so I assume there are still some options in Zona T but they are different and more covert now. I was planning on heading back down to Santa Fe, but it was really cold in Bogota that night, I was feeling sick, I had not packed a jacket, so I called it a night in the fetal position. Sorry, I know, I am more disappointed than you are.

Day 7.

Started the day looking for a massage. Tried to look for anything closeby in Zona T, went to a place I found online called Absolut Spa but could not find it. Looks like it closed. So I took a taxi back up to my favorite spot last time I was in Colombia, The Mezzanines off Calle 104. Boy was the scene different this time around. This was around noon, same time I used to go every day last year for a lunch quickie. There were only 2 open doors, the first one only had 2 girls, they weren't hot, but they were both attractive enough to do the job, 5. 5's. They wanted 100 k or. Or. They offered me the special. Wait for it. 200 k for both. Not really a special, but I couldn't decide, so I decided to treat myself for the price of an Applebee's entree and went for the 'special'. It was a good decision, even though they did the whole wet wipes thing and no lesbian action, they were good tag team partners. One would occupy my hands and face while the other one went to work on my shaft. It was ridiculously hot in that little massage room and I was sweating an ocean, but it was a lot of fun, I remember at one point I was about to suck the girl's titties when she stopped me and said 'baby, is that ok?' like hell yeah it is, another fantasy of mine. Unfortunately, that little bastard was too hungry and I didn't get any milk, but the girls did. It was a warm and beautiful day in Bogota when I stepped into the massage parlor. I step out 1 hour later to gloomy, thick sky. I was going to walk back, but I didn't make it to calle 100 when it started hailing, great.

I had a pretty important decision to make now. Last night in Bogota, do I go back down to Santa Fe, or do I go back to A1. I realized I had invested too much time and effort with A1, plus she was a guaranteed good lay so I called her and we arranged to meet again for dinner and an all-nighter. I know, I should have gone for variety, but I've never actually had a pussy I enjoyed eating. Also, I'm losing my hair so it has been a long time since a woman has had both her hands constantly and passionately running through what's left while I was going down on her. It felt good. All the eye contact. I had to go back for one more night with A1. She came by my hotel first, where a lady at reception checked her ID and gave me the dirtiest look I've ever gotten, turns out she was barely legal by 2 weeks, I didn't know, and I should have personally checked instead of relying on the hotel people. Lesson learned. Close bullet dodged.

We did some shopping, I bought her a ridiculously overpriced 1 piece lingerie thing for like $80. I swear the Andino mall only exists to fleece gringos on shopping trips with their sugar babies; like wtf a pair of jeans at Levy's was $100 I had to rush her out, I told her I'll bring her a pair the next time I come down for $40. Absolutely insane. We finally made it to Andres and I finally got to eat chicharrones. Ordered filet mignon and countless drinks, the bill ended up at $60, freaking love Colombia; this was a no expense spared meal at the top steakhouse in Bogota, $60 won't even buy dinner for 2 at Chilis. Went back to my hotel and had the most passionate sex yet. The fresh vagina, the puffy nipples, the overprotective cousin pimp, it all made sense now, but it was all legal so I didn't care, I tugged on those ponytails and went to town. Tried to give her one more leche in the morning but I had an 8:30 am flight and all the pre-flight anxiety prevented me from finishing. Pathetic. I gave her 500 k and ordered her an Uber. 500 k+$80=900 k.

Overall, I had a really good time in Colombia, I just wish I packed better for the Bogota cold. What is with taxis not having meters anymore? The first night the guy charged me 25 k to go from Zona T to Santa Fe, and the guy charged me 30 k to go back. I ordered Ubers pretty much exclusively from then on. Alejandra was great, and of course I paid her more than I should have when factoring in gifts like the iPhone, but then again, the experience was infinitely more passionate than a fly by hour working girl. I have her contact info and she took SO MANY pictures on my iphone, but alas I cannot share either until I give the site $25. Already have flight booked for January to go back, Colombia is absolute jewel.

[QUOTE=JerryTheGreat;2760251]Hey everyone,

Just got back from Bogota last week for a 7-day vacation. Spent 4 in Bogota and 3 in Cartagena.

Day 1.

I got into El Dorado around 11 pm, I was staying at the be. O. G. Hotel in Zona T. I couldn't find an open exchange place in the non-secure portion of the airport, and my hotel doesn't exchange, so I went to a Davivienda and took out about 1. 2 mil at 4500 pesos, not the best rate, but I wasn't going to do my business with the ladies in dollars. At this point it was like 12-12:30 am and I had been on planes all day; the smart thing to do would have been to order in, but I decided to head down to Santa Fe. It was very lively with ladies making obscene gestures at me while I was still in the taxi. I can't remember the name of the first place I walked into, but it was dead. Like 4-5 uggos and no patrons. Went into Fiebre next and it was packed. It was 1 am so all I really wanted was a beer but the guy said you need a bottle for the table, I acquiesced, big mistake. I went with the 250 k bottle of Jose Cuervo and they brought a tiny, shitty plastic bottle of Cuervo even though the Moet champagne was only 50 k more. Scoured the place for a good 30 minutes, there was A LOT of talent, most at tables with other patrons, but there were a few 8's and 9's that were unshackled just standing. Eventually spotted a fine petite Venezuelan in a short, grey dress. She was dancing with another girl and I beckoned them over to my table.

Their names were Alejandra why Alejandra, they were cousins. Kissing cousins? Yes sir. They proved everything to me right at the table. One even pulled her titty out and the other one started sucking on it. The Alejandra I had my eyes on (A1) was blanca, petite but with vey nice curves, and a cute face. The other Alejandra (A2) was older, taller, less attractive, but had more assets and more experience.

We dance and drink for a while. They ordered like 4 x 40 k beer / Smirnoff combos, freaking rip-off, I hate the clubs. The girls started off quoting me something ridiculous for the hour, I really only wanted A1 but eventually went with both for 400 k. The room was another 50 k, and of course 20 k for the condoms, god forbid you brought your own. I'm glad I went with both in the end, the service was great, A2 was coaching A1 how to properly suck my dick, A1 was a principiante for sure. It was nice, they didn't do all the bullcrap with the wet-wipes and the condoms during the blowjob, but separate condoms during sex, I'm still searching for that experience where I can one-thrust, switch holes like in the movies. It was not a rushed experience and I finished before anyone came knocking. This is where I should have called it a night, but I'm an idiot and decided to take A1 home to my hotel. This is at like 3 am, just got off 7 hours' worth of flights, and I have another flight to Cartagena in 12 hours. A2 was very protective of A1 and didn't want her to come to my hotel, reason for this will be clear later. 200 k for A1 plus 80 k club check-out fee. Me and A1 go back to my hotel, the front desk checks her ID, give it back, no problems. I was exhausted, we only do one shot, A1's pussy is the tastiest I've ever munched on so I just snack on that for like 30 min and go to bed. Not really worth the extra 200. My night totaled at 200+400=600 for the girls, 250+160+80+50+20=560+countless tips for the club. Should've just used photoprepagos.

Day2-4.

I exchanged money at the New York Money at the Andino Mall the next morning at 4800 which is a great rate, the spot for that day was 4884. The guy was super rude though, he gave me all 50's and when I asked for some small bills, we started a shouting match. No worries though, I walked 100 ft to a bank on the same level, and a cute bank teller was more than happy to give me 5's and 10's.

Left for Cartagena, I'll try to edit this post and include the link to that report here.

Day 5.

Landed back in Bogota around 3 pm. Was staying at the 4 Seasons Zona T. Had dreams about A1's delicious pussy so decided to whatsapp her. Turns out she doesn't have a phone and gave me A2's number. We agree to meet for dinner and an all-night. I had plans to take her to Andres, but I did not know how festive people get for Halloween, this is Oct 29 and Zona T was packed. Of course Andres was sold out, they were having a Halloween event so we ended up at El Irish Pub, exactly where you want to eat when in Colombia. Seriously, it was crazy, it rivals the festivities in any large US city, everyone was dressed up.

Anyway, went back to the 4 Seasons after dinner, the hotel guy checks her ID, no problems. I wasn't so tired this time, so I really gave it to her. I had a $100 amex experience credit so we order room service the next morning, bang it out one more time, and she leaves around 10-11 am. Instead of money I gave her an old iphone SE that I had, which I know the cash value of the phone is way more than the rate, but it was just accumulating dust and depreciating in the back of my closet and I wasn't going to deal with a bunch of cheap bargain hunters on Craigslist. It kind of worked out, I'm going to repair the old iphone 6 and 8 I have for my next trip. (of course the first thing she downloads is ticktock, what a fucking generational societal poison).

Day 6.

Let A1 go around 11 am and caught up on a lot of sleep. I switched hotels back to the B. O. G. (the only reason I was at the 4 seasons is to use expiring amex perks), the 4 seasons tried to charge me a 400.000 guest fee but I nearly went schitz, threw a fit, and the guy took it off the bill. Went back to El Irish Pub (LOL I know) to watch the Bills-Packers game, it was already over by halftime so I left. A1 was busy with a birthday party.

It looks like Zona T has been trying really hard to clean things up. All the clubs on calle 86 a like Piscina de Norte were fenced off for some new development project. A couple of guys flagged me down 'chicas chicas' so I assume there are still some options in Zona T but they are different and more covert now. I was planning on heading back down to Santa Fe, but it was really cold in Bogota that night, I was feeling sick, I had not packed a jacket, so I called it a night in the fetal position. Sorry, I know, I am more disappointed than you are.

Day 7.

Started the day looking for a massage. Tried to look for anything closeby in Zona T, went to a place I found online called Absolut Spa but could not find it. Looks like it closed. So I took a taxi back up to my favorite spot last time I was in Colombia, The Mezzanines off Calle 104. Boy was the scene different this time around. This was around noon, same time I used to go every day last year for a lunch quickie. There were only 2 open doors, the first one only had 2 girls, they weren't hot, but they were both attractive enough to do the job, 5. 5's. They wanted 100 k or. Or. They offered me the special. Wait for it. 200 k for both. Not really a special, but I couldn't decide, so I decided to treat myself for the price of an Applebee's entree and went for the 'special'. It was a good decision, even though they did the whole wet wipes thing and no lesbian action, they were good tag team partners. One would occupy my hands and face while the other one went to work on my shaft. It was ridiculously hot in that little massage room and I was sweating an ocean, but it was a lot of fun, I remember at one point I was about to suck the girl's titties when she stopped me and said 'baby, is that ok?' like hell yeah it is, another fantasy of mine. Unfortunately, that little bastard was too hungry and I didn't get any milk, but the girls did. It was a warm and beautiful day in Bogota when I stepped into the massage parlor. I step out 1 hour later to gloomy, thick sky. I was going to walk back, but I didn't make it to calle 100 when it started hailing, great.

I had a pretty important decision to make now. Last night in Bogota, do I go back down to Santa Fe, or do I go back to A1. I realized I had invested too much time and effort with A1, plus she was a guaranteed good lay so I called her and we arranged to meet again for dinner and an all-nighter. I know, I should have gone for variety, but I've never actually had a pussy I enjoyed eating. Also, I'm losing my hair so it has been a long time since a woman has had both her hands constantly and passionately running through what's left while I was going down on her. It felt good. All the eye contact. I had to go back for one more night with A1. She came by my hotel first, where a lady at reception checked her ID and gave me the dirtiest look I've ever gotten, turns out she was barely legal by 2 weeks, I didn't know, and I should have personally checked instead of relying on the hotel people. Lesson learned. Close bullet dodged.

We did some shopping, I bought her a ridiculously overpriced 1 piece lingerie thing for like $80. I swear the Andino mall only exists to fleece gringos on shopping trips with their sugar babies; like wtf a pair of jeans at Levy's was $100 I had to rush her out, I told her I'll bring her a pair the next time I come down for $40. Absolutely insane. We finally made it to Andres and I finally got to eat chicharrones. Ordered filet mignon and countless drinks, the bill ended up at $60, freaking love Colombia; this was a no expense spared meal at the top steakhouse in Bogota, $60 won't even buy dinner for 2 at Chilis. Went back to my hotel and had the most passionate sex yet. The fresh vagina, the puffy nipples, the overprotective cousin pimp, it all made sense now, but it was all legal so I didn't care, I tugged on those ponytails and went to town. Tried to give her one more leche in the morning but I had an 8:30 am flight and all the pre-flight anxiety prevented me from finishing. Pathetic. I gave her 500 k and ordered her an Uber. 500 k+$80=900 k.

Overall, I had a really good time in Colombia, I just wish I packed better for the Bogota cold. What is with taxis not having meters anymore? The first night the guy charged me 25 k to go from Zona T to Santa Fe, and the guy charged me 30 k to go back. I ordered Ubers pretty much exclusively from then on. Alejandra was great, and of course I paid her more than I should have when factoring in gifts like the iPhone, but then again, the experience was infinitely more passionate than a fly by hour working girl. I have her contact info and she took SO MANY pictures on my iphone, but alas I cannot share either until I give the site $25. Already have flight booked for January to go back, Colombia is absolute jewel.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you got good service from a girl you liked and had fun so that in and of itself was good. However, I lost count on how many mistakes you made and the prices you paid. Hopefully you learned from your trip. Be safe.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2759948]Here is some brothel art you can see in Santa Fe-- I need to go to Atunes and take photos as there is a whole gallery of framed paintings.

On another spent time with a couple of members on Saturday and Sunday. These guys are into SGs and were in Heaven-.

Saturday Night off the hook for clubs and SGs-- Sunday was OK but this guy who lives in Tijuana said it was fantastic-- Way better than Tijuana scene.[/QUOTE]Hello Mr. Wood -- I would like abook a tour with you for Nov 21.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;2760353]Sounds like you got good service from a girl you liked and had fun so that in and of itself was good. However, I lost count on how many mistakes you made and the prices you paid. Hopefully you learned from your trip. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, a whirlwind is best way I can describe it. Anyway, I realized you can post pictures without a membership, you just can't see them. Here's a little taste of what I got to work with.

[QUOTE=YahooDiSingh;2760410]Hello Mr. Wood -- I would like abook a tour with you for Nov 21.[/QUOTE]Just want to let you know I cannot give contact info here as they do not allow it. I would have a webpage but I do not want to get in trouble with the authorities even though I just do tours.

Actually am contemplating doing that-- I used to be on Craigslist but they banned me-.

I have no ownership on this site-.