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[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Yorkie,
There are cliches that need to be adhered to on ISG: Golden rule no.1 is that there are [B]no[/B] happy endings in the scenarios that you suggest. Please stop misleading the forum forthwith.[/QUOTE]Fortunately I have the benifit of knowing you are wrong TT.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]My Thai GF would not dream of taking me back to her village, due to social stigma attached. I therefore had to be excluded from her brother's wedding. Obviously she does not want to appear to be a P4P girl.
Probably people assume she is the secret 2nd wife of some Thai man. Commonplace in Thailand and probably with much less stigma than being with a Farang.
On the other hand she is very worried about severe social problems that I will experience if I should take her back home to Australia.
Obviously there is some social stigma in Australia but it is not as severe as in Thailand.
My workmates and friends already know I have been associating with Thai girl(s) (more than one) for years.
She cannot easily comprenhend that I can put up with what ever others might think of me in Australia, if I have a GF from Thailand that is many years younger than me.[/QUOTE]
My situation is similar, in that my GF doesn't want to take me home either because some people in her hometown gossip about her being a BG because she's with a Farang. This is only gossip born of jealousy because many of the girls there actually ask her to help them find a Farang, as well. They know in fact she isn't a BG, and wouldn't need to be as she comes from an excellent family and is reasonaly educated. Other people try to get money out of her because they assume she's rich because she's with me. Her family are the leading family in town because her father is a provincial education official and her brothers are all mid-rank cops, one being in the Thai FBI. Her reasons for not wanting me to go to her town are not because people will think she's in P4P, but because she knows that they will all try to tap me for money. She says that many of the people in her town are low-life scum and she doesn't want to subject me to them. Her family know about me and are actually suprisingly pleased she's with me, because they are impressed with where I work (typical of Thais to be impressed with meaningless status) and more importantly, how I've treated their daughter. I'm about to finally meet her father, who is coming to BKK to see me. Her brother is also getting married, BTW. But, she doesn't want me to go to her town for the wedding, because of the reasons I've stated - the villagers will try to suckewr me into paying for this, that and the other thing.
I am planning on taking her to Canada and she's not concernedd about it at all. I'm sure the age difference (23 and 56) will raise eyebrows. But, we've been together for 2 years and my family are totally fine with it. For one thing, she's not the first young TG I've taken to Canada and I had a history of dating younger women, even before I came to Thailand - my last GF in Canada was 22 when I was 44. Coming from a large city helps if you take a much younger TG back home with you. I can't imagine what it would be like, if I came from a small town - probably a similar scenario to what one would face going upcountry to a TG's village.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy][b]Every LOS Rookie should read this.[/b]
Not sure if this is a Prank or not but it looks genuine to me and I am sure this man has a lot of brothers out there to whom something similar happened.
[url]http://www.phenchaloemphol.com/[/url]
Don't get me wrong, it is not always like this, sometimes, it is the guy who scams the girl (Ask Giotto, I am sure he has a few stories from his Girls).[/QUOTE]
It seems completely genuine. But, you just have to look at this tattooed skank (ugly as sin, as well) and her family to know they're all bad news. It's such a cliche. The guy was as naiive as one could possibly be and even after it went bad, quite quickly in fact, he still hung in there. What an idiot.
However, I think his declarative statement about all people in Isaan being liars and bad (not to mention poor) just shows his limited knowledge and experience. He got what he deserved. Caveat emptor!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy][b]Every LOS Rookie should read this.[/b]
Not sure if this is a Prank or not but it looks genuine to me and I am sure this man has a lot of brothers out there to whom something similar happened.
[url]http://www.phenchaloemphol.com/[/url]
Don't get me wrong, it is not always like this, sometimes, it is the guy who scams the girl (Ask Giotto, I am sure he has a few stories from his Girls).[/QUOTE]Hello Everyone. I went and read this sob story about how this guy got screwed, he sure is bitter. But his expectations were way too high, especially when a TG is concerned. He fell in love with her on the 2nd day! He didn't even know the girl, and yet he fell head over heels with in love with her after 24 hours? C'mon.
If you really want to meet a nice Thai Girl, here's my advice: Stay the hell out of the 1am NANA parking lot fiasco, the NEP, or Soi Cowboy. You will NEVER find your soulmate in any of those places. When I am in Thailand, I stay far away from the Soi Cowboy scene, and the NEP scene. Of course, I can't say that I have never cruised around the Nana Hotel at 1am, but I wasn't looking for my soulmate, but rather just a nice looking piece of ass for the evening.
The best TG's are the ones that haven't been spoiled by the above. Meet a professional girl who has a college degree, who's got more going for her than just a killer face and nice body, who doesn't have ANY baggage (the poor village scenario, the sick mother, a sick father, the sister with two kids who can't make ends meet). The girl you want to meet and JUST MAYBE have half a chance with has a 8 to 5 job, and comes from a middle-class kind of family.
On my way back to the states, I met this TG who was travelling to the east coast to visit her friend for a few months. She was well read, had a master degree from a US midwestern university, spoke great English, and she was really easy on the eyes (half of them are!). We flew from BKK to Incheon, and had a great time talking, and exchanged phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and we'll see how that goes. The only bad thing is, she's 20 years younger than me.
Visitors and newbies going to Thailand for the first time, remember this: you're living a dream. In Thailand, the farang becomes the hunted one for many girls. For you, it's like fishing. In a barrel. But buyer beware.
[QUOTE=Arizonan]
The girl you want to meet and JUST MAYBE have half a chance with has a 8 to 5 job, and comes from a middle-class kind of family.
On my way back to the states, I met this TG who was travelling to the east coast to visit her friend for a few months. She was well read, had a master degree from a US midwestern university, spoke great English, and she was really easy on the eyes (half of them are!). We flew from BKK to Incheon, and had a great time talking, and exchanged phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and we'll see how that goes. The only bad thing is, she's 20 years younger than me.[/QUOTE]
If you're a visitor, your chances are next to zero to meet the kind of girl you describe. You were lucky. That's all. But, generally, unless you live and work here, the chances are slim in finding an educated (especially western-educated), middle-class TG. I have what you describe (not western-educated, though), who's actually 33 years younger than me. But, I've been here a long time and went through a lot of girls before finding her.
But, good luck with your girl. Perhaps, it might work out because at least she's been to the States and can get a visa.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]If you're a visitor, your chances are next to zero to meet the kind of girl you describe. You were lucky. That's all. But, generally, unless you live and work here, the chances are slim in finding an educated (especially western-educated), middle-class TG. I have what you describe (not western-educated, though), who's actually 33 years younger than me. But, I've been here a long time and went through a lot of girls before finding her.
But, good luck with your girl. Perhaps, it might work out because at least she's been to the States and can get a visa.[/QUOTE]Hello Old Thai Hand.
She's not my girl, and I doubt anything will come of it. However, I've been to Thailand enough to know that what you say is true. Some guys, despite the warnings of those with good intentions, have to find out themselves, and I'm sure you'll agree with that.
I fell in love with a beautiful Thai girl many years ago, thought it would work out. She was bright, college-educated, never did the bar thing. Met her at a coffee shop in MBK of all places. But the visa thing with the states just frazzled both of us, and she lost patience with the process. She's a faded memory now, but I still think of her fondly now and then.
For now, I'll just visit Thailand when I can. That's enough for me!
Ehh who knows? Sure a lot of websites this guy's promoting. It could be the slickest advert yet.
But the scenario is common. Guy's cannot say they're not responsible when they behave like this. This guy ignored every freaking sign/signal and STILL wanted to take his skanker back (did anyone notice how much GOLD was dripping off that 'ho?).
This isn't love; it's dependency.
You can't exactly blame the thieves when you hold out your wallet and wear a sign saying "Please Rob Me".
I have had my own learning experiences. Thank God I've cut them off long before this guy did.
[quote]If you're a visitor, your chances are next to zero to meet the kind of girl you describe.[/quote]
Then I got extreemly lucky the last time I was in BKK. :)
I have dated Thai women before but it seemed this time more women were interested. I went out on two dates last time I was there and was given phone numbers (never called) from two others. These always came up from otherwise innocuous conversations (in Thai) about themselves, what I was doing, how I learned Thai, etc. I enjoy meeting/talking with people so it's natural when meeting single women. My Thai isn't perfect but it seems as long as you're polite and comport yourself well it doesn't matter.
They weren't all middle class. But none were bargirls. I never scored with any of them, but then I didn't feel like trying to pursue a relationship and I didn't want to get mired in it just to get laid.
Thai women can be incredibly aggressive. You don't have to be superstud to get this attention but you DEFINITELY don't want to be Joe Short Pants Wearing Tourist Lech.
You can get grandma asking if you have a wife and wanting to fix you up. I've had 'regular' women call my hotel room, ask me out with friends, come over etc.
Here's where the disconnect is; Guy comes to Thailand. Enjoys the 'Point And Click' nightlife and extrapolates that to everywhere else in Thailand. Bzzt! Wrong answer. It amazes my how even some ex-pats living here for years cannot turn off the beer bar behavior when they're in more respectable company.
[quote]On my way back to the states, I met this TG who was travelling to the east coast to visit her friend for a few months. She was well read, had a master degree from a US midwestern university, spoke great English, and she was really easy on the eyes (half of them are!). We flew from BKK to Incheon, and had a great time talking, and exchanged phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and we'll see how that goes. The only bad thing is, she's 20 years younger than me. [/quote]
Very cool. I'm in the 4th month of dating a Vietnamese gal 15 years younger than me I met locally. She has a business degree from Saigon and a bachelors in Math from a University in my town so it's not impossible to do it stateside.
It's not perfect but the sex is incredible. The age difference hasn't been a big issue among us (my keeping a return trip ticket to Thailand has!).
It's just a rule of mine , but anything over 2 hours driving classifies as a 'long distance' relationship, although if I met someone on a plane like you did I'd probably try to squeeze a weekend or two out of it. Heh heh.
[quote]There are cliches that need to be adhered to on ISG: Golden rule no.1 is that there are no happy endings in the scenarios that you suggest. Please stop misleading the forum forthwith.[/quote]
It's not a cliche, it's a truism.
Marrying a bargilr is like a guy who fell out of a plane without a parachute who survived. It can happen, but no one's suggesting you try it.
I know of one guy of all who married a bar girl who's still happily married. He's a Kiwi who used to own a bar on Walking st. with a well known forum. If you know of whom I speak she's a great lady.
BUT, she's the only one I know of. Marrying a bargirl is Kryptonite to your happy ending in life.
[QUOTE=Zarnon]
Thai women can be incredibly aggressive. You don't have to be superstud to get this attention but you DEFINITELY don't want to be Joe Short Pants Wearing Tourist Lech.
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Here in Thailand, relationships are short lived and fragile. The trend is to have several opportunities rotating into play.
Generally, if a girl has several guys on the string, they rotate between their guys to keep them all on the the line and active. She may or may not be sleeping with more than one, but she'll be meeting with and cultivating those other relationships just in case the primary one goes sour.
[quote]Here in Thailand, relationships are short lived and fragile. The trend is to have several opportunities rotating into play. [/quote]
Seems that way doesn't it? Do you think it's more apt to happen in Thai-foreigner relationships? May-December ones? Rich-poor?
Everyone I know over there except for two guys has been divorced, cheated on, cheats on, has multiple 'tilacs' etc. It seems they're usually accumulating hookers, quasi-hookers and women working in stores/stalls, etc.
A couple trips ago, I went to dinner with a buddy who was dating a bitchy yet respectable Univ. gal. We had a some tag-alongs who were your typical 'gotta rehash each paid for conquest the night before' guys. Some of them lived there yet seemed so entrenched in the farang ghetto they couldn't tell the difference.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Here in Thailand, relationships are short lived and fragile. The trend is to have several opportunities rotating into play.
Generally, if a girl has several guys on the string, they rotate between their guys to keep them all on the the line and active. She may or may not be sleeping with more than one, but she'll be meeting with and cultivating those other relationships just in case the primary one goes sour.[/QUOTE]
This is a little cynical and over-generalized. It's true in some cases and does depend a lot on the girl's background. But, TGs are usually very loyal and relationships can last as long as anywhere else, in my experience.
One does have to get off the well-worn path that most Farang follow, and find a respectable girl - not always an easy thing for a non-Thai to be able to figure out the difference.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Here in Thailand, relationships are short lived and fragile. The trend is to have several opportunities rotating into play.
Generally, if a girl has several guys on the string, they rotate between their guys to keep them all on the the line and active. She may or may not be sleeping with more than one, but she'll be meeting with and cultivating those other relationships just in case the primary one goes sour.[/QUOTE]
You are absolutely correct if you date "bar girls"; but, if you date respectible Thai you will find the exact opposite of what you describe.
[quote]You are absolutely correct if you date "bar girls"; but, if you date respectible Thai you will find the exact opposite of what you describe.[/quote]
I was with a GTG for three years (two in the states) and she was very good to me.
OTOH I've been off the 'beaten path' to bars where Thai women pay the men for dancing and sex. I'm not sure how many are 'respectable' but they didn't look tatooed and Isaanish to me. I'm sure it's not the 'norm' but it's not all black and white, you think?
Thai songs deal with women's infidelity the same way we do over here ('Taan Fai Gow'). Why would they be popular unless they somehow mirrored part of Thai society?
At the same time I think my chances of meeting someone faithful are better in Thailand. I'd definitely date/marry a GTG than someone over here. The ones I've been with have been very nice (and stubborn!), took care of me well and were probably better than I deserved. When I look back on it I was the one playing around. Argh.
I knew two guys there truly outside the 'scene'. One was married to a very nice woman and she stood by and supported him through some tough times (even went to JKT with him). At the same time he gave up being a player.
And I agree getting off the beaten path is important. I have been guilty of going, mongering, leaving, although that's changed the last few years. I've done some volunteer work and may do so again. It's one way to start long-lasting friendships with 'regular' Thai people and by extension, women.
[QUOTE=Zarnon]Thai songs deal with women's infidelity the same way we do over here ('Taan Fai Gow'). Why would they be popular unless they somehow mirrored part of Thai society?[/QUOTE]
"Taan Fai Gow" isn't about infidelity. "Taan Fai Gow" (basically trying to start a fire with burnt coal) is an idiom used to refer to people who try to 'rekindle' a romance with an ex-GF/BF.