Giotto's Lodge in Bangkok

[QUOTE=Ramn HK]
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So we started negotiations. She said, " I want one, two, three, four thousand bhat" and she repeated the four thousand bhat. This added with the barfine together with the fact that she had had 2 kids already was enough to put me off. She would not budge. I was dressed in shorts and I told her I stayed at Nana hotel, since I did not want a premium added to the rate if I told her where I really stayed.
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Hmm, something which should be monitored more if the new mamasan drives up the price.
Agree with traveler that at the time I stayed there the asking price was 3000 or 2500 for LT and you could easily settle for 2.500. Some told 2000 LT as well. I am neither been-counting and try to squeeze out the latest 500 or 100 baht, but 4000 asking price for an even not outstanding looking girl would be way to much for me as well. I made too good experience (maybe lucky) with 2000- 2500 Baht LT Go Go girls as I would go for that. Not to forget the higher barfine, which should reflect, some better base quality level to be justified. Anyhow lets monitor this and adjust our behavior.
Supply and demand is the key for that settlement.

Regards

Brain666

[QUOTE=Brain666]I won't make a fuss out of it, cut money (but don't tip either), talk to the 'boss' etc. Just will not repeat[/QUOTE]I think this is exactly the type of behaviour that encourages the girls to try tricks on us. how can a bubbly BG before the barfine turn into a lady with stomach ache that can't fuck once you both have showered? because she knows she can get away with it.

[i](may happend in any bar in Bangkok, the persons in this dialogue are fictional)[/i]

Noi: Sawasdee Kha Tuk
Tuk: Sawasdee Kha Noi, Sabai dee mai Kha?
Noi: I very tired.... farang take me LT and make boom boom all night
Tuk: wow, me take Farang LT also but he let me go after ST
Noi: really? Farang come in my mouth, have sex many position, fuck my ass
Tuk: Fuck your ass?
Noi: Yes, now hurt a little bit, and tired, only sleep 2 hours
Tuk: Wow
Noi: And you?
Tuk: Farang stay in nice hotel, but I pretend I have pain in my stomach and cannot boom boom... he complain and I agree but after 15 second I tell him hurt too much... he finish Blowjob only
Noi: wow
Tuk: how much your farang pay you?
Noi: 2000, and you?
Tuk: 1500.
Noi: really?
Tuk: yes, next time make like me, farang will pay anyway!

I can imagine the BG Bragging how she duped her customer and all the other girls being impressed.

of course, it is always better to have a GFE, but never lose sight of who is in control... the client or the provider ;)

Mr the President,

I request the approval to open a Livingstones branch in Jakarta.

It's a shithole currently under the water, but greeeaaatttt fun. We'll do a floating hotel, to be on the safe side.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Traveler1234] I've always thought going rate was ST B2000-2500 and LT 2500-3000, and LT means multiple shots, not just 1 or 2.[/QUOTE]
Gawd, I have been underpaying for ST from Livingstone's all this time. I thought it was 1500 ST and 2250 for LT. Shame on me. I must pay the pesky one more next time.

[QUOTE=Duniawala]Gawd, I have been underpaying for ST from Livingstone's all this time. I thought it was 1500 ST and 2250 for LT. Shame on me. I must pay the pesky one more next time.[/QUOTE]

I know the persistent one but not ever did meet the pesky one until this trip.

I finally ran into her (fellow ISG had emailed a picture of her) - she is now a receptionist outside and not working in the bar. One evening, as I was returning from work, she wanted to escort me into the bar before she realized I was a house guest. G told me she prefers outside now and only goes out with 'regulars', and not those newbies that tend to "fall in luv".

We gotta make sure we meet up again so that I learn from the 'Master'.....

[QUOTE=Brain666]Hmm, something which should be monitored more if the new mamasan drives up the price.
Agree with traveler that at the time I stayed there the asking price was 3000 or 2500 for LT and you could easily settle for 2.500. Some told 2000 LT as well. I am neither been-counting and try to squeeze out the latest 500 or 100 baht, but 4000 asking price for an even not outstanding looking girl would be way to much for me as well. I made too good experience (maybe lucky) with 2000- 2500 Baht LT Go Go girls as I would go for that. Not to forget the higher barfine, which should reflect, some better base quality level to be justified. Anyhow lets monitor this and adjust our behavior.
Supply and demand is the key for that settlement.

Regards

Brain666[/QUOTE]

I agree with both of Brain's posts.

I even mentioned what happened to G as I was checking out and his comment: maybe the girls didn't want to go with RamHK so they intentional quoted a high price? That is also, IMHO, a perfectly good and plausible explanation. Maybe hobbling into the bar with shorts, etc. didn't impress those young stallions that are now in G's stable....ROLFMAO.

[QUOTE=The World]Was at Livingstones for quite literally a flying visit on Saturday night.

Arrived at Livingstones around 7.30pm, the place hasn't changed, but seems quite a lot of building work going on (someone must be doing pretty well for himself!!)
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[/QUOTE]The World,

Thanks for returning to Livingstone's ... you are right, I was very busy during the day when you stayed here.

No, there is actually no building work going on in the moment, the new rooms are up and running already, and the Presidential Suite - the construction company let us down, so the start of the construction work was postponed.

Anyway - hope to see you on your way back to Europe, then hopefully for a longer chat.


Giotto

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I think this is exactly the type of behaviour that encourages the girls to try tricks on us. how can a bubbly BG before the barfine turn into a lady with stomach ache that can't fuck once you both have showered? because she knows she can get away with it.
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Just to make sure: Of course I wouldn't accept a total non-performer and then pay the full price. I would then have stopped the action rather in the beginning.

But this is the case of the morning action when she stayed over night already with reasonable performance. In this case I wouldn't have discounted the agreed price, but also wouldn't have given a Tip.

Usually I try to negotiate down from the original price (if not unrealistic high) to a level of 2000 or 2500 LT (if she fits into my optical category) and would mention a tip potential for a good experience.

However Russels companion is rather untypical. Being willing to spend the afternoon for sightseeing to hope for a second night doesn't really fit to the unwillingness for morning action.
I would expect such 'morning inactivity' rather goes along with the girls tendency to leave eerily, but not in this combination.

But what the heck, it doesn't matter. Some may count it a loss or scam for 500 Baht worth missing deliverable, but at the end of the stay, counting all sessions together there may have been also sessions with girls who may have provided outstanding service, more 'worth' then we have paid and tipped for. I guess it will equalize.

My total Thai girl P4P counter tells me ' I got so far more then I have paid for'. So maybe next stay I may experience some of the downside. But I still hope with the right attitude and chemistry MyMWV to the positive side.

Ok will report about it.

Regards

Brain666

PS: Oh sh.., coming to Thailand from 18th for 2 weeks but accompanied by spouse. May not be able to show up, not to mention to take action.

[QUOTE=Russell Crowe]...
I have yet to meet Giotto. I have seen him sitting with his mother and don't want to disturb him or ask any unsuitable questions in front of her.[/QUOTE]Russell Crowe,

Welcome to Livingstone's, and thanks for your report.

Indead - my mother is here in Bangkok, and I was quite "occupied" during the past few days. I know you are leaving soon - please try to get into contact with me today, that we can meet before you leave.

Thanks again


Giotto

Dr. G

Please have all your ladies lined up for an inspection. Coming on the 12th. Please ensure the dungeon is also all ready and the whips lined up. :D

[QUOTE=Ramn HK]...
As I left the bar, I hit the washroom, where I checked whether someone had while I was not paying attention, written the letters "ATM" on my forehead.

Additionally, I kept asking about Giotto and where he was, after hearing so much about the place, but nobody understood the words "boss or Giotto". Maybe I will have the pleasure of meeting him some other time.
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[/QUOTE]Ramn HK,

Thanks for your report. You did quite well as walking (running) ATM machine :) ...

Again: The usual prices of the read are THB 2,000.00 ST, THB 3,000.00 LT. Later in the night some girls tend to even go for less. But of course they try to get more, if possible.

It seams for me that you made the right decision. If a girl wants so much money she does not really want to go, and the the experience is anyway not good.

Boss: It should always work to ask for the boss. Everybody knows the boss. Of couse nobody (should) know Giotto, but nowadays the name becomes more common here, because too many people still ask for Giotto.

The top experience was an SMS to Mrs. Giottos mobile some days ago: "Who is Giotto?" She came to me and asked...but she had already given the wrong answer to that customer. She thought it was a misspelling of the first name of our restaurant / hotel manager :) !

Hope to see you soon back at Livingstone's.



Giotto

[QUOTE=Finrod]Never ask for Giotto when at Livingstone's: they do not know that name there. Giotto is just the screen name/alter ego/evil twin side of the owner known only to ISG.[/QUOTE]Finrod,

"Evil twin side" - I like that.

Right now this "evil twin side" has somehow been deactivated. I urgently have to return to normal life.


Giotto

Bestards,

The "Sir" stays at the Lodge.

The quality control started last night already :) .



Giotto

Hey G

Since you're running a "Parallel Universe" over here in which those who only rarely delve into the main Thai board seem to thrive and have a good time, I was wondering if you could start a Parallel Photo Gallery on which people could post decent pics without the smart-ass, manipulative editorializing of Cyberspace? (not to mention his gross, disgusting pics).

Just a thought. ;)

[QUOTE=Ramn HK]

So we started negotiations. She said, " I want one, two, three, four thousand bhat" and she repeated the four thousand bhat. This added with the barfine together with the fact that she had had 2 kids already was enough to put me off. She would not budge. I was dressed in shorts and I told her I stayed at Nana hotel, since I did not want a premium added to the rate if I told her where I really stayed.[/QUOTE]

This seems [i]very[/i] atypical. But maybe she marked you as a fresh fish for the catching, as most of us stay there or have at some point been seen with 'the boss'. In that situation I would just be firm and polite and correct her pricing, letting her know you are not just off the boat. If she persists, Giotto has many, many more lovely ladies to shag.

Giotto: I am in the PI and back from my weekend fling in Palawan with my non-pro. She is a student looking for a foreign experience, so I obliged! But after your place, Cambodia, Sing, nor the PI can measure up to the LOS and the spectacular vacation I enjoyed with you and your Livingstones family. Is there anyway I can just move in and earn my room and board as your IT Manager?

Tell the girls I said hi, as well as the Mrs. G and our friend the manager. I miss all of them!

2J