Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Questner;2809064]There is a rumor that by May 5, 2024 everything is going to be over[/QUOTE]

I don't think that rumour means what you think it means. What happened to the May parade, I heard that it got cancelled? Can you tell us more about that please?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2809087]We don't need the "definitive evidence". No one will ever be prosecuted for this crime. However, this will be yet another nail in the coffin of the Russian narrative in the arbitration case against them.

Not that it matters anyway. They began reducing the flow long before the blasts. By the time of the explosions, the delivery had been halted for weeks.

Evidence or no evidence, Gasprom (Russia) will pay up.[/QUOTE]I guess I could have been clearer about not meaning it in the criminal sense. Rather, as you implied, it presents an inconvenient set of facts for anyone who tries to claim that there's a single undisputed version of events. The pro-Russia crowd will certainly ignore or dismiss any such facts, but that's to be expected.

And facts like these might make a difference in the court of public opinion, especially in Europe. At a minimum it doesn't allow anti-West propaganda to go unchallenged. Anything that helps keep public support for Ukraine on a firm footing will also help keep European politicians in that same camp.

In case of a counter-retreat by the AFU the Russian Army is planning on to deploy a new Electronic Warfare system that jams all Russian language expletives used by the enemy. Without the expletives the personnel stays in disarray, incapacitated and unable to operate.

[QUOTE=Questner;2809405]In case of a counter-retreat by the AFU the Russian Army is planning on to deploy a new Electronic Warfare system that jams all Russian language expletives used by the enemy. Without the expletives the personnel stays in disarray, incapacitated and unable to operate.[/QUOTE]Without being able to use Russian, the Orc stays in disarray, incapacitated and unable to operate.

And, as much as that sucks, just wait until all the Russian women are rounded up and sent off to China. Russian ethnicity is about to be swallowed up by the Han hordes.

[QUOTE=Jmsuttr;2809010]

Denmark confirms t-online research into the Nord Stream attack: There are 112 photos of Russian ships at the scene of the crime. They were made by the Danish Navy four days before the explosions. This emerges from a report in the Danish daily newspaper "Information". The Danish Ministry of Defense confirmed the existence of the images, but wants to keep them secret to protect intelligence work".

So, is this "smoking gun" definitive evidence? Absolutely not! But it is the result of research, by a German news organization, into the movement of Russian ships based in Kaliningrad. They then followed up with a request to the Danish government (I'm assuming the equivalent of a FOIA request), and received confirmation of their findings. Read the article for more details, and to form your own impressions, but that's what I see as the gist of it.

Whatever the true story turns out to be (if it's ever fully known), there's no doubt that this kind of investigative reporting is head-and-shoulders above Hersh's use of a single (completely unverifiable) anonymous source, posted solely on his personal blog. Furthermore, it's noteworthy that this evidence is presented in stand-alone form, without a specific narrative being pushed.[/QUOTE]Not only that but two days before the attacks, ships were spotted drinking Russian vodka, and there was a Russian gum wrapper found close to the scene of the explosion. LOL. Are you fucking kidding me?

For those of us who actually use our brains, there is this, [URL]https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-exports-both-lifeline-drain-europe-2023-maguire-2022-12-20/[/URL]"This means that the United States will remain the primary supplier of LNG to Europe for at least 2023. This will likely generate even greater revenue for you. S exporters after a record 2022, which totaled $35 billion through September, compared to $8. 3 billion over the same period in 2021, USA Energy Information Administration (EIA) data shows. ".

Thing about conspiracy theories is when the theory results in a participant of the conspiracy theory profiting in the billions, it no longer is conspiracy theory with me but probable fact.

OTOH, the conspiracy theory you buy JM about the Russians destroying their own pipeline results in their losing billions and potential trillions of dollars, and you swallowed it whole. Thing about you JM is when you start calling Russians orcs it is obvious that you are so blind that you will believe the Russians are capable of doing anything even things that make absolutely no economic sense like this.

With this much money at stake, you can make the case USA involvement in this war is not about Democracy or a sovereign nation or whatever but about the USA profiting off of it. We are telling Europe. Don't buy cheap natural gas off the Russians. Buy expensive natural gas from the USA. FWIW, Trump wanted the same damned thing from Europe.

[QUOTE=Questner;2809405]In case of a counter-retreat by the AFU the Russian Army is planning on to deploy a new Electronic Warfare system that jams all Russian language expletives used by the enemy. Without the expletives the personnel stays in disarray, incapacitated and unable to operate.[/QUOTE]Admin: this account is a bot.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2809416]Not only that but two days before the attacks, ships were spotted drinking Russian vodka, and there was a Russian gum wrapper found close to the scene of the explosion. LOL. Are you fucking kidding me?

For those of us who actually use our brains, there is this, [URL]https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-lng-exports-both-lifeline-drain-europe-2023-maguire-2022-12-20/[/URL]"This means that the United States will remain the primary supplier of LNG to Europe for at least 2023. This will likely generate even greater revenue for you. S exporters after a record 2022, which totaled $35 billion through September, compared to $8. 3 billion over the same period in 2021, USA Energy Information Administration (EIA) data shows. ".

Thing about conspiracy theories is when the theory results in a participant of the conspiracy theory profiting in the billions, it no longer is conspiracy theory with me but probable fact.

OTOH, the conspiracy theory you buy JM about the Russians destroying their own pipeline results in their losing billions and potential trillions of dollars, and you swallowed it whole. Thing about you JM is when you start calling Russians orcs it is obvious that you are so blind that you will believe the Russians are capable of doing anything even things that make absolutely no economic sense like this.

With this much money at stake, you can make the case USA involvement in this war is not about Democracy or a sovereign nation or whatever but about the USA profiting off of it. We are telling Europe. Don't buy cheap natural gas off the Russians. Buy expensive natural gas from the USA. FWIW, Trump wanted the same damned thing from Europe.[/QUOTE]How sad that you're so reading challenged, since I clearly stated that a single data point of evidence is not conclusive.

Evidence is what it is, and truth is what it is. In this particular case, the evidence is that Russian ships were photographed near the scene of the pipeline explosion four days before the event happened.

What anyone chooses to extrapolate from that data point is up to them. As for me, I'm all about evidence, so I'm happy to wait until more comes to light before making any conclusions. In stark contrast, people like you, to whom evidence is irrelevant, have already chosen their preferred narrative.

BTW, your post is clear evidence that you'd be well-advised to take a remedial reading comprehension course. Poor Elvis has truly left the building. Sorry if the truth gets you "All Shook Up".

Here you go, maybe this will help you feel better about your intellectual and logical deficiencies:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23zLefwiii4[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2809416]

OTOH, the conspiracy theory you buy JM about the Russians destroying their own pipeline results in their losing billions and potential trillions of dollars, and you swallowed it whole. Thing about you JM is when you start calling Russians orcs it is obvious that you are so blind that you will believe the Russians are capable of doing anything even things that make absolutely no economic sense like this[/QUOTE]My buddy Elvis has put me on ignore, so I won't blame him for "not seeing" my post about Russia being sued for billions of dollars for their failure to fulfill their contractual obligations.

But the real problem with ignorant Elvises is that they simply don't understand how diligently Russia can work to undermine their own interests.

The Russians tried to blackmail the West and force them to walk back the sanctions. This is not even the first time when Russia has tried to weaponize gas and oil. They've cut off gas supplies multiple times since 2006. That's what they do, economic sense be fucked.

Gasprom (allegedly) published a video threatening the new Ice Age in Europe.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl2FIqnLxAY[/URL]

The plan was: Europe is weak. A few protests in the streets and they'll fold.

Only they didn't.

Putin didn't expect the West would not only survive the winter but find the strength to wean itself off Russia's dope entirely.

Putin gambled -- again and lost again.

Woops!

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2809425]Admin: this account is a bot.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, if you look into his posting history, it's real. Sad, I agree.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2809425]Admin: this account is a bot.[/QUOTE]Along with Putin butt-boys, maybe we should also start using the term Putin butt-bots? Although the latter are created by the former, they're not exactly the same thing.

Russia conducts surprise inspection of its Pacific Fleet.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-puts-pacific-fleet-high-alert-surprise-inspection-2023-04-14/[/URL]

Russian admiral in charge of Pacific Fleet is removed.

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11993749/Putin-FIRES-Pacific-fleet-admiral-sign-Vladimir-furious-military-drills-flop.html[/URL]

Note: Some articles say "resigned," but plenty of others say he was sacked. Given the timing involved, I think it's fair to say this wasn't the Admiral's preferred course of action.

I guess this means the Pacific Fleet demonstrated about the same level of competence as Russia's failed ground forces in Ukraine. Which means, if there were any plans for a three-day invasion of Japan, those plans have been (literally and figuratively) sunk! Or would "torpedoed" be a better word to use?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2809416]
when you start calling Russians orcs it is obvious that you are so blind[/QUOTE]My basis for calling the Russians "Orcs" is the extreme depravity they've demonstrated in the commission of numerous atrocities. And those depravity-fueled atrocities have been confirmed by a number of third-party (non-Ukrainian) sources. I make absolutely NO apologies for using what I firmly believe is an accurate description. The term "Orc-hordes," or simply "Orcs," paints a picture that is better than a thousand other words.

However, in stark contrast to many (including you), I have the ability to keep my personal opinions separate from my observations with respect to objective fact (s). So, when I post about a specific piece of evidence, or a specific set of facts, I do my best to stay within the parameters those facts delineate. Also, I am always happy and ready to engage in fact-based debates and discussions. And I've even challenged the narrative-mongers to such debates. The response has either been more narrative or, more often (wait for it), nothing but crickets.

I fully understand what confirmation bias is, and I studiously avoid it. I let the facts shape my view, whereas others (like you) see everything through the lens of their preferred narrative.

Another fine example of projection by you. Blinders much?

[QUOTE=Questner;2809405]In case of having children, my daughter will be sent to suck cock in China, and my son will clean the pools of her clients[/QUOTE]Travel much these days?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2809425]Admin: this account is a bot.[/QUOTE]Do me a favour, put me on your Ignore list. This is an accepted way in this forum to keep it cool.

What great about the 45th is that he has no dogs. Now today two dopers were seen in Kiev celebrating the painter's birthday. Good for them.