American Politics

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3027481]Nah, this was not a free speech issue and Kimmel has shifted the conversation from Kirk to himself.
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And unllike in Democratic douche land, Ted Cruz has spoken out against the FCC chair Brandon Carr, and I will add to that. Yes, Carr, Kimmel offered himself up as martyr to get Charlie Kirk out of the news cycle, and your dumb ass took the bait. If Walter Kirn knew Kimmel was on the way out, why didn't you?[/QUOTE]Looks like the majority of "dumbass" Americans took the bait right along side me, and took to the streets to protested the Gestapo authoritarian style ban on FREE SPEECH. [B]... and WON! "<insert laughter>"[/B].

Jimmy Kimmel is back on the air! [I][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/I].

Dude, you should be asking yourself how MAGA nation got sucked into believing a "thin-skinned" MAGA Fuhrer, who yearns for fascist / authoritarian dictatorship, was ever going to provide FREE SPEECH and TRANSPARENCY!

What a joke and fools, he's made of you all in MAGA World. Have you fools taken a good look at RUSSIA, Egypt, Hungary or Iran on free speech lately?

I can't stand, Sen. Ted Cruz, of all people, but the dude is right!

[QUOTE][b]Sen. Ted Cruz:[/b] "Jimmy Kimmel has mocked me so many times," he said. "The corporate media—they are dishonest. They are liars. I hate what Jimmy Kimmel said. I am thrilled that he was fired. But let me tell you, if the government gets in the business of saying 'we don't like what you, the media, have said, we're going to ban you from the airwaves' … that will end up bad for conservatives."

He added it may be "attractive" to conservatives to feel that they have the governmental power to ban the media, but going down that road, would hurt them [b]when a Democrat takes back the White House.[/b] --[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cruz-warns-conservatives-will-regret-fcc-censorship-push-against-abc-other-media-outlets[/url][/QUOTE]Note it is not "IF", but "WHEN" Democrats take back the WH!

[QUOTE=TheCane;3028027]Thinking you know who I am and that you understand my politics. Well you don't! As someone who has spent a significant amount of time on university campuses, and who has remained keenly interested in all matters of goings on at the academy, I happen to think that so much that is happening at American colleges and universities today is total bullshit, starting with the outrageous cost to attend even many public schools, let alone private institutions. It's gotten to the point that I don't think it's even worth it anymore for most young people, especially talking on all the debt. I did just see yesterday where Emory University announced that tuition at its campus will be free for students from families earning less than $200,000 a year. That's admirable I think. But there are so many other problems in American higher education, like conservative (and other) voices not being permitted to be heard. That's anathema to what the very core of a university should be all about. You don't have to like it, but you ought not be shouting down the speaker, let alone gunning them down. Let them speak and be heard without violence or threat of violence. You can be passionate in debating the issues, but the line stops with shout downs and violence. The truth is that I can't stand the extreme, tree-hugging left of the Democratic party, but they're needed in order to win. So we have to work with them. It's a big tent party. They get a seat at the table. And when we do win (a time will come when we will win again) then they need to be controlled so that they don't take over the party and set the agenda like you dunces on the right let MAGA take over yours! Too far in either direction is bad for America. And if it's bad for America, then it's bad for the world since we are the leader. At the end of the day, we on the left have to end up landing more to the center where most Americans are.[/QUOTE]"Too far in either direction is bad for America" FYI MAGA is not right wing, Libertarian is and they hate MAGA.

Is this right wing? [URL]https://www.boundless.com/blog/trump-administration-to-propose-new-100000-fee-for-h-1b-visa-applications/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7eZBUawgHM&t=626s[/URL]

Independents love MAGA policies, aka Centrism aka Trumpism aka Nationalist Populism.

Mischaracterizing MAGA as "too far" is a lame attempt at disinformation, just saying.

God Bless America.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3028046]LOL. Does this polling bullshit make you feel better Loony Tooms? Yes, by all means, let's go back to polls since they were so right in 2016,2020, and 2024.

Did Kirk's funeral freak you out? There were hundreds of thousands attending and twenty million more watching on line. So please tell us Mr. Lord of the Douches why that does not matter. Oh right, you have a great pollster. Ah yes, you have a LINK. Whew! You must be right then.

Uh, you saw that Trump and Musk kissed and made up right? What happened to those President Musk lines? Oh, you mean you were just lying your asses off again? Gee, that is a shocker! Well, maybe you can revive those memes now. That repaired schism means nothing because you have a poll saying exactly what you want..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/news/harvard-sues-honesty-professor-claims-she-sent-school-fake-data-set-to-disprove-fraud-allegations/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3027972]The point is that Mamdani is literally all you Democratic douches got.[/QUOTE]And Curtis Sliwa is quite literally all you Repukeian extremists got! LMAO! Is that the best you can do? Looks like it LOLOLOL! You see, that's the difference between you and me. I can be honest and balanced and say that [B]all[/B] the candidates for New York City mayor suck. But once again, your blind bias and loyalties lead you to see only one side, and one side only! So fucking pathetic!

Authoritarian Trump FCC says, "Sticks and stones may break my bones". And? And? LMFAO! Brendan Carr GTFOH!

[URL]https://youtu.be/aTZjo42xRH4?si=13Gd42W3mE_vsGLs[/URL]

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;3028023]Dupe low self esteem betas like yourself to vote against their interests than slam them with those 3 poisonous letters DEI.[/QUOTE]Well, sticks and stones may break my bones, but your hateful, mean-spirited names shall never hurt me! LOL! What an insecure, curated set of dolts you proudly and publicly proclaim to be a part of. I have lived long enough and experienced enough to know which side my bread is buttered on. I damn well know where my interests lie and who best represents them. Believe this. You wouldn't be threatened by DEI if you had your shit together. But no, you're just another phony, bottom of the economic heap, lazy loser doing just enough to scrape by. Got to suck to be you! Why I worked so hard to achieve so I wouldn't be. And I'm not. Thank God! Now excuse me while I pack my bags for yet another most splendid overseas adventure. There's some hoors in this house, there's some hoors in this house, there's some hoors in this house! GTFOH!

A conservative who completely gets it: [URL]https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/24/business/rogan-kimmel-podcast-government-censorship-intl[/URL].

[URL]https://youtu.be/dAvMxQmcRas?si=H0M_SBWmtPwcZrM7[/URL]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3028074]You come off as very slow. Please also don't give yourself a heart attack because you don't take time to properly read posts. I don't even know how to respond to your comment on dog food. You are the one who really seems bent out of shape over a post you couldn't comprehend.[/QUOTE]Common ground! We both believe the same about this "Flintsone" character. Not really worth anyone's time here.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3028085]Besides the fact it is sad and wrong what happened to him. Kirk was a very special talent. There are so few people who have the ability to bring right wing views to the younger generations.

I[b] have always wondered why people so young and so inexperienced should even be allowed to vote. [/b]They know so little about life. Times have changed and they really should make the voting age 21. If you can't buy a beer, you shouldn't be voting in elections, or fighting on a battle field for that matter.[/QUOTE]I wonder why people over the age of 70 get to vote. They don't have any real future skin in the game, and I've rarely met a bigger bunch of rubes that will believe almost anything.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3028078]Cane, you were the one who posted you were all sorry to see I didn't want to go back and forth with you and I was willing to leave it at that. Now your losing your cool and accusing me of personal attacks and lies. I break stones a bit just like you did. I did not tell one lie though. I believe everything I wrote was 100% in good faith.

If your worked up over this, I will back off. You have your views and I have mine. If I have a disagreement I won't include the personal attacks as you put it. Even though you and Spidy went at my dead friend very hard and that was quite personal for me.

Anyway. You also stated ring wing has to see others be "destroyed" for others to succeed. I was assuming you meant businesses out competing other businesses in a free market economy. A free market economy is a right wing economic system. It is not a stretch to assume based off your bashing the "right" as being full of hated and supporting a flawed economic system that you would also support socialism. I was wrong to assume you support socialism and I take it back. Have a field day with that Cane.

This is not knock on you, but no, I don't really care to get to know your politics or you as I have read your posts and I strongly disagree with you on many things. Not an attack, youre just not my type of guy. I strongly believe in the things I have posted and I don't take great pleasure in putting people down, except Spidy because he made it very personal. Like I said, I'll back off your posts if you are really bent out of shape over my responses.[/QUOTE]First of all, I'm rather enjoying myself! I like having a good go at right wingers who I view to hold un-American, anti-democratic views on the issues. But with your words here in lies a part of the problem. You don't want to know me. You don't want to hear me. I'm of the "other". The "outsider", which then makes it easy for you to put me down rather than listen, consider, ask clarifying questions, etc. So then, for example, you end up addressing me as if I support socialism or communism or something. I absolutely do not. Never have and never will. And then you make another wrong assumption. Then another. And another! You know what they say. To "assume" makes an "ass" out of "you" and "me". And then before you know it the chasm has grown so wide that there can be no locating common ground. It's important to look for and find that common ground, lest we lose our ties as one united nation. Before the Civil War it was the United States "are". After the Civil War it was the United States "is". So you know what? If you don't want to try to understand. If you don't care to know because you've seen enough, then so be it. It would be best that you do indeed back off then because otherwise your responses really become nothing more than as they mostly appear to be to me, which are empty personal attacks. And I too will do the same. I didn't start in on you until you started in on me. If you choose to respect and honor this proposed truce, to "turn the volume down" and "lower the temperature", then so too will I.

[QUOTE=FutureDeadGuy;3028181]I wonder why people over the age of 70 get to vote. They don't have any real future skin in the game, and I've rarely met a bigger bunch of rubes that will believe almost anything.[/QUOTE]In my opinion older American's vote should hold the most weight because of their experience and wisdom and they actually have the time, from being retired most likely, to very closely follow politics. I know that is controversial, but it is how I see it. So many people under 21 are just so inexperienced and uneducated and haven't even developed a fully functional moral compass or conscious. Especially for men who don't really fully mature and develop mentally until mid twenties.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028082]Have you ever heard of a +/-MoE? Is that too nuanced for you? Have you never noticed it cited on virtually every poll ever taken and published in your entire life? Look into it.[/QUOTE]LOL. Your being arrogant and wrong is nothing new. I love how you are telling me the polls could have been right when they have dead wrong for the last 3 elections involving Trump.

I prefer the gambling markets where Trump was given a 2:1 probability of winning but even the gambling markets were off on his winning the popular vote. You keep missing that Trump won the popular vote and keep trying to minimize his victory to a few hundred thousand votes.

The other part that you do not get is that what happened in 2024 is the Republicans tightened up the voting process and all the bullshit that went on in 2020 with mail in ballots was kept to a bare minimum. Your dumb pollsters assumed 2020 was an honest election.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3028082]On Lichtman's prediction; considering the razor-thin squeaker win by the swing of 0. 75 of a single percentage point across the only three swing states that mattered and due solely to a less than 114,900 swing of votes in those states by angry Muslims on a single issue over which only Netanyahu had control[/QUOTE]Man, you dumbshit Democratic douches cannot admit that you are wrong about anything. First off, all Biden did was suck Netanyahu's dick while he was destroying Gaza and killing hundreds of thousands. I pointed out that his policy was a disaster in states like Michigan with a huge Arab population BEFORE the election. You blew that off as did that fool Cane and did nothing but sit around and say Harris, who was the ultimate shit candidate, was going to win.

Then AFTER the election was done you made it out like these Arab voters were traitors and terrorists. Of course, the Muslims were rational to vote as they did. They said that they were not voting Democrat BEFORE the election because when it came to reigning in Netanyahu the Biden administration did jack shit. Contrast that to Trump who blasted Israel when it violated a cease fire.

Your excusing all stupid Democrat decisions is nothing new. You still think Harris was not a shit candidate? That Biden's policy on Gaza was sound? That the pollsters were not wrong? LOL. Like I said, you do not learn jack shit.

And now you tone deaf to the issues with Charlie Kirk and Kimmel. Spidy is already thinking Dems won on Kimmel. Ha! Kimmel is more toxic than Bud Light. If I go anywhere and that Kimmel shit is on, I am going to insist the channel be changed or I walk out. Even with his antivaxx crap, he is nowhere near as toxic as he is now.

You had millions tuning in to Kirk's funeral, and you are so fucking stupid you do not think that matters? A lot can happen before the mid terms but you better hope that this Kirk momentum slows down because it has not yet, not at all. Just like I mentioned the Muslims before the election, I have stated that if the midterms happened today, you douches would be slaughtered! Your going back to the pollsters to comfort yourself just shows how clueless you continue to be.

You had no idea how enraged the Muslims were with Biden / Harris with Gaza, and you have no idea how enraged Republicans are with the Kirk killing. As usual, you are completely tone deaf and are looking to some idiot pollster who tells you what you want to hear.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3028105]Note it is not "IF", but "WHEN" Democrats take back the WH![/QUOTE]And this is news to you? Did you think when Biden was in office that Republicans would never take back the WH? You dumb douches sure acted like it.

I got that fool Cane telling me that Curtis Sliwa is all Republicans have, and I do not know who the hell that is.

Thing about Mamdani is his style is incredible. He oozes charisma. It is just his substance is shit. Still, if he abandons what he campaigned on and moves to the center, he would be a formidable challenger. Shoot, you dumb Dems have been fawning over Buttigieg. I hope you all go with him. You Dems can talk amongst yourselves about how great an openly gay president would be, but the country is not ready for one.

The top two Republican challengers, JD Vance and Desantis, do not have near the charisma that Mamdani or Trump do. The reason Republicans went back to Trump was twofold. He had the balls to take on the deep state and undo the horrific changes Biden put in and defund much of it and the other big item is how inspirational Trump is. That is what you dumb Dems do not get why you have primary elections that matter. If the 2016 primaries did not happen, we would have had Jeb Bush and gotten our asses kicked.

Thing about Desantis is that he does not have much of his own money and lacks charisma If Elon Musk gets his hooks into Desantis, like the Wall Street guys did with Obama, Desantis would do whatever Musk wanted. He would put his wealth over country wealth like Obama did. Trump has clashed with Musk and took him on when Trump felt Musk went too far. I doubt Desantis would do that.

And I am not that sold on Vance. He was a senator who thinks throwing money at a problem is the answer. I am not thrilled about Vance's wife; she makes him seem beta like. Desantis is a leader who has faced down douches like you and kicked your asses. Vance has played along with you all. Shit, even Zelensky felt comfortable going after Vance.

So yeah, neither of our top two candidates are bullet proof.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3028105]Jimmy Kimmel is back on the air! Dude, you should be asking yourself how MAGA nation got sucked into believing a "thin-skinned" MAGA Fuhrer, who yearns for fascist / authoritarian dictatorship, was ever going to provide FREE SPEECH[/QUOTE]Yeah, you seemed to have missed that fact that not only did Ted Cruz go out of his way to object to Kimmel being canned so did I. Despite the FCC's chair's bold words, the action taken was undertaken by Disney and its affiliates not the FCC chair. Like I said, the Kimmel story was just a stunt to get Charlie Kirk out of the news and the FCC chair took the bait.

I am glad Kimmel is back on the air. I want his death on late night to come due to declining viewership and the fact that so many ABC affiliates are banning him.

As Matt Taibbi just wrote, A close analog to the Kimmel situation was already moving through courts in a high-profile First Amendment case called Berenson v. Biden. Just like Jimmy Kimmel, former New York Times reporter Alex Berenson was "jawboned" off a public platform. He was identified by a combination of White House officials and pharmaceutical executives as a voice they wanted to remove from Twitter for criticism of Covid-19 vaccine. Not that it matters, but while Kimmel was threatened for inaccuracy, Berenson's problems stemmed from being too accurate about the mRNA Covid vaccines, about everything from studies showing surprising inefficacy to potential links to myocarditis that even Biden's CDC eventually acknowledged. Even though Berenson's case is built around Twitter and not YouTube, Google's admissions leave no doubt about the "repeated and sustained" censorship of that era, which everyone seems to be forgetting. While people like Kimmel and Colbert were swimming in bucks pumping out grotesque vaccine propaganda, the primary victims were people like Berenson.

And Berenson's case was tossed by the courts.

Meanwhile, the asshole spewing misinformation was Kimmel. He actually recommended and laughed at the unvaxxed being allowed to die with heart attacks, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N73L4kYhTxU[/URL].

And of course, Kimmel lied about the shooter of Kirk being MAGA and minimized his hatred and the role hate spewing assholes like him played in Kirk's death.

And this is the kind of free speech you and the Democratic douches defend? Gosh, you are so moral Spidy.

Yeah, all you with Trump TDS tuned in to see him speak when he came back from his suspension and pumped up his ratings a bit but just wait. But he is done, and I would prefer for him to go out as an unpopular, unfunny, lying, violence provoking piece of shit that he is versus at the hands of the FCC chair. I do not want to afford him victim status because he sure as hell is no victim.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3028228]In my opinion older American's vote should hold the most weight because of their experience and wisdom and they actually have the time, from being retired most likely, to very closely follow politics. I know that is controversial, but it is how I see it. So many people under 21 are just so inexperienced and uneducated and haven't even developed a fully functional moral compass or conscious. Especially for men who don't really fully mature and develop mentally until mid twenties.[/QUOTE]You likely see it that way because it benefits you the most. I haven't noticed that experience you mentioned results in any wisdom that would rival Solomon. Mostly I see old people that just keep faux / msnbc news on 24/7 and even sleep with it. Their time results in believing as much or more silly bullshit as the youngsters.

If I was young, why the fuck would I want a bunch of geriatric motherfuckers picking out my future?

[QUOTE=TheCane;3028183]First of all, I'm rather enjoying myself! I like having a good go at right wingers who I view to hold un-American, anti-democratic views on the issues. But with your words here in lies a part of the problem. You don't want to know me. You don't want to hear me. I'm of the "other". The "outsider", which then makes it easy for you to put me down rather than listen, consider, ask clarifying questions, etc. So then, for example, you end up addressing me as if I support socialism or communism or something. I absolutely do not. Never have and never will. And then you make another wrong assumption. Then another. And another! You know what they say. To "assume" makes an "ass" out of "you" and "me". And then before you know it the chasm has grown so wide that there can be no locating common ground. It's important to look for and find that common ground, lest we lose our ties as one united nation. Before the Civil War it was the United States "are". After the Civil War it was the United States "is". So you know what? If you don't want to try to understand. If you don't care to know because you've seen enough, then so be it. It would be best that you do indeed back off then because otherwise your responses really become nothing more than as they mostly appear to be to me, which are empty personal attacks. And I too will do the same. I didn't start in on you until you started in on me. If you choose to respect and honor this proposed truce, to "turn the volume down" and "lower the temperature", then so too will I.[/QUOTE]Yes, well said, well explained!

However, I'm not sure if someone who thinks, there's no human decency of [B]"RIGHT"[/B] and [B]"WRONG"[/B] anymore, will ever "get it" or understand.
[LIST][i]RamDavidson84: [b]"People don't give a fuck about [u]right[/u] and [u]wrong[/u] anymore as long as there is a level of deniability and it gets results. ...as long it puts money in people's pocket... "[/b][/i] [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=3024421#post3024421[/url][/LIST]So is there no more RIGHT or WRONG on the right?