American Politics

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3030861]I'm an old school Lefty. Hedonism, sex, rock and roll, no drugs anymore I'm too old. But mainly I'm economically quite far left which is something neither party in the United States is. I believe every developed Nation should have universal health care, paid education through University and tech school, 4 weeks paid vacation, good pensions at a reasonable age, maternity leave, an adequate social safety net, in a federal job guarantee ensuring that all unemployment is voluntary. Of course I believe it separation of church and state 100%. Term limits, removing money from politics, ending private campaign contributions, etc. Germany is an interesting law requiring 40% of the board of directors of any publicly held company to be made up of workers. I think that's a fabulous idea. Unfortunately the United States is going to continue to be ruled by wealthy oligarchs, and that's going to get worse. Definitely now that all the reforms of Teddy and FDR have been thrown out the window and we have returned to the gilded age. But one difference with the gilded age, the robber barons back then we're awful but at least they build schools, museums, and hospitals. These wealthy folks just want bigger yachts and to go to space.[/QUOTE]That all does sound amazing in theory. Of course we all want that. One day it will become reality. One day we will have one world government for all people and we will live in a socialist utopia with true equality. Kind of like Star Trek for all the Trekkies out there. I am serious, I am not cracking jokes. Unfortunately that reality is still generations away.

Two words you need to Understand which I think your not in touch with because you don't work. DIRTY JOBS! There are so many shitty dirty dangerous fucking miserable jobs that need to be done to make society go round. You have been out of the Matrix a long time and you may have forgotten how much the grind of many jobs takes a toll on you. There is no way in hell people are working all these jobs that fucking suck if you offer that much free shit. I know I fucking wouldn't. We are just not there yet. Honestly I know mother fuckers who plan crimes to get caught just to spend winter in county jail because its better than the street LOL. I am not kidding, that is reality for some people. If you offer that much free shit now people won't do the dirty work and the might of America falls quicker than a drunk Asian on Banana peel slippers.

BTW the values you describe is now the values of Republicans. No punishment Crime, free health care for immigrants paid for by tax payers, Trans women bathrooms, Green Deal Electro state, and Race hate identity religion is new values of left. Kennedy Democrats are now MAGA centrists.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3030782][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2025/10/07/trump-says-diddy-asked-him-for-a-pardon-on-prostitution-charges/[/URL]

BTW Hey Hanoi Jane I think this idiot is deliberately insulting your hood LMFAO.[/QUOTE]That particular fellow monger is pulling heavy Lord's Work duty keeping blithering MAGAs busy revealing their utterly useless non-existant "woke-ism" delusions, fears and economic theories over how many faries can dance on the head of a pin in the midst of still another Great Repub MAGA Economic and Jobs Creation Downturn.

Glad he's doing that duty and rather well while the rest of us can take a brief break on the effort.

Meanwhile, I spend about 1/3 of my week in a quiet neighborhood several skytrain stations away from the Nana Sukhumvit area to enjoy time and overnights with my sweet and lovely university girlfriend in the new, well-located skyrise apartment I maintain for her.

So I suppose one could say I am routinely enjoying at least two interesting versions of expat life in Bangkok; I can see the benefits of living among more upscale Thais, their university student daughters and international visitors who are more into shopping, temples and exploring new eateries but might not ever venture into the red light districts of lower Sukhumvit as well as the pleasures of easily roaming around ground zero for gogo girls and Freelancers where I might run into fellow mongering mugs like you.

And it turns out there are already some fine shopping malls and temples here along with new places to eat popping up often enough down here too.

It's all good.

Uh. Regarding that Repub MAGA lie about Democrats "demanding free Healthcare be given to illegal immigrants", it has become such a blatantly obvious lie even ultra MAGA Repub Marjorie Taylor Greene can no longer avoid calling out her fellow Repub MAGAs for the America-hating liars they are:

[B]Marjorie Taylor Greene just complicated the GOP'' shutdown messaging.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/07/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-health-care-shutdown[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]"Im carving my own lane. And Im absolutely disgusted that health insurance premiums will DOUBLE if the tax credits expire this year,"[/b] Greene said, adding: [b]"Not a single Republican in leadership talked to us about this or has given us a plan to help Americans deal with their health insurance premiums DOUBLING!!!"[/b][/QUOTE]Of course, being a typical numbskull Repub MAGA, she never noticed a problem with her side's position on this or gave it much thought until her own family pointed out how THEIR insurance premiums will double if her Party gets its way in their latest Trump / GOP government shutdown and the Democrats don't. LOL.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3030864]That all does sound amazing in theory. Of course we all want that. One day it will become reality. One day we will have one world government for all people and we will live in a socialist utopia with true equality. Kind of like Star Trek for all the Trekkies out there. I am serious, I am not cracking jokes. Unfortunately that reality is still generations away.

Two words you need to Understand which I think your not in touch with because you don't work. DIRTY JOBS! There are so many shitty dirty dangerous fucking miserable jobs that need to be done to make society go round. You have been out of the Matrix a long time and you may have forgotten how much the grind of many jobs takes a toll on you. There is no way in hell people are working all these jobs that fucking suck if you offer that much free shit. I know I fucking wouldn't. We are just not there yet. Honestly I know mother fuckers who plan crimes to get caught just to spend winter in county jail because its better than the street LOL. I am not kidding, that is reality for some people. If you offer that much free shit now people won't do the dirty work and the might of America falls quicker than a drunk Asian on Banana peel slippers.

BTW the values you describe is now the values of Republicans. No punishment Crime, free health care for immigrants paid for by tax payers, Trans women bathrooms, Green Deal Electro state, and Race hate identity religion is new values of left. Kennedy Democrats are now MAGA centrists.[/QUOTE]Well sort of, but yes there are dirty jobs and if you have a Ubi you will have to pay people handsomely to do the dirty Jobs which I think is a good thing.

[QUOTE]Two words you need to Understand which I think you're not in touch with because you don't work.[/QUOTE][B]This was written by a pure hater![/B] I hope this individual has to work for the rest of their lives until well, they can't anymore. No enjoyment of life for him after a lifetime of toil. Why? Because on a board filled with [B]International Tricks[/B] someone disagrees with him.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

I have three close friends who worked [I]dirty jobs[/I]. They have continuing medical conditions from those jobs that affect them to this day. They are now retired. The individual quoted above thinks each and everyone of them are not aware of the trials and tribulations of those still working?

[U]The only individuals out of touch are those that think they know everything and what is right for everyone[/U] Those that cannot see the point of others. Those that engage in [U]ad hominem[/U] attacks when they have lost the intellectual argument.

This is the main problem of the [U]Dis-United States of America[/U]. A civil war is pending. Otherwise why would Trump declare war on my fellow citizens there.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3030944][B]This was written by a pure hater![/B] I hope this individual has to work for the rest of their lives until well, they can't anymore. No enjoyment of life for him after a lifetime of toil. Why? Because on a board filled with [B]International Tricks[/B] someone disagrees with him.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

I have three close friends who worked [I]dirty jobs[/I]. They have continuing medical conditions from those jobs that affect them to this day. They are now retired. The individual quoted above thinks each and everyone of them are not aware of the trials and tribulations of those still working?

[U]The only individuals out of touch are those that think they know everything and what is right for everyone[/U] Those that cannot see the point of others. Those that engage in [U]ad hominem[/U] attacks when they have lost the intellectual argument.

This is the main problem of the [U]Dis-United States of America[/U]. A civil war is pending. Otherwise why would Trump declare war on my fellow citizens there.[/QUOTE]Be clear in the point you are making. You are calling me a hater and stating Trump is declaring war on certain people, but giving no context or explaining how you came to those conclusions. Please read my post because I don't think you fully understood it.

I am assuming you want socialism now for America because I argued were not ready for it. We currently still have a democracy and that is something that the people decide. Most Americans don't want higher taxes in exchange for more social services. I am one of them. As I said, most work sucks. Many jobs still need to be done. If life is free, who does the work?

One day when technology advances and far less work needs to be done then absolutely let's turn socialist. Socialism is the end game for governments and economies. As of right now, it's not fair to put the burden of work on those willing and allow some to abuse that. As of right now, to many "mostly" honest people are employed and work in the private sector. You can't just eliminate that over night and turn socialist.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3030939]Well sort of, but yes there are dirty jobs and if you have a Ubi you will have to pay people handsomely to do the dirty Jobs which I think is a good thing.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I am not seeing the correlation. How does a UBI accomplish that?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3030944][B]This was written by a pure hater![/B] I hope this individual has to work for the rest of their lives until well, they can't anymore. No enjoyment of life for him after a lifetime of toil. Why? Because on a board filled with [B]International Tricks[/B] someone disagrees with him.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

I have three close friends who worked [I]dirty jobs[/I]. They have continuing medical conditions from those jobs that affect them to this day. They are now retired. The individual quoted above thinks each and everyone of them are not aware of the trials and tribulations of those still working?

[U]The only individuals out of touch are those that think they know everything and what is right for everyone[/U] Those that cannot see the point of others. Those that engage in [U]ad hominem[/U] attacks when they have lost the intellectual argument..[/QUOTE]Also, I was not trying to argue people who have not worked recently don't know or shouldn't have a say in what type of government or economy a nation should have. When I said, Goatscrot is not in touch with modern workers, it is because Goatscrot stated he retired early in his mid 30's and has been for twenty years. Honestly, I assumed Goatsrcot was a trust fund kid who got an inheritance and peace it out to another country for lower cost of living, which I have no problem with if that is the case. I would do the same in a heart beat. But if someone hasn't worked in twenty years, and retired after only working a decade or so, it is not unreasonable to assume they are not in touch with how difficult life can get for those working later in life. Those in their 40's or 50's or 60's and still paying a mortgage or raising a family. And if I am wrong and goatscrot is some genius who struck it rich all on his own, then my bad yall. I shouldn't have assumed. Either way I was referring to his own personal situation and not generalizing all people who don't work.

I think it is a stretch for you to bring your friends into this and try to associate my post with their personal unique situation. Why would I think someone hurt on the job shouldn't have a say about their government? And I don't get why you are hoping I can never retire? When did I say anything about when people should retire? Trust me, I am all for early retirements if you can pull it off LOL. I don't think I should have to extra to pay for YOUR retirement though if you didn't contribute YOUR share. I will be clear about that LOL. I am confused how you are coming to these conclusions.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3030796]Nothing Trump has done was anything but a huge net negative for international mongering. And there is zero chance whatever he does this time will be any better.

Trump's Pandemic was only ok for a few expats who happened to be here during Trump's POTUS-directed closures and only with the less desirable girls who had to stay put with nowhere else to go.

After that it has only meant skyrocketing international flight costs, the hottest young girls having learned and exploited the Online Lonelyhearts Supporters market more than ever before, higher fees for crappier service.

Whatever Trump does next cannot possibly turn back the clock to those pre-Trump's Pandemic mongering days.[/QUOTE]Wrong again, Tooms. I've had some of the best and most pussy in the last five years since moving to PH! BTW Excellent coin! I'm going to get one. Go Team Trump! Tooms, you and all the other dumbocrats just can't accept the fact you lost an election and now the country (USA) and world is getting better. Do any of you stupid mutha fuckers really think we'd be better with cacklin Cameltoe and Tampon Tim? Get a grip. Your derangement has devolved into an addiction, buddy.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3030860]My problem and fear of the Trump administration is illustrated best with the following.

"Americans from so-called "red" states, with the backing of their Republican governors and legislatures, are on the brink of using lethal force against Americans in so-called "blue" states, whose Democratic governors and legislatures strongly oppose the moves.

What is Trump's overall plan? What is the troika behind him (Stephen Miller, JD Vance, Russell Vought) seeking to accomplish, and how?

The first step has been for the Department of Homeland Security to deploy ICE agents to use aggressive tactics in targeted cities.

The second step is for such aggressive tactics to provoke demonstrations, and for Trump to exaggerate the scale and severity of them.

The third step is for Trump to deploy federalized National Guard troops to control the demonstrators, an act that's already enflaming the public and meant to provoke violence.

The fourth step will be for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act to suppress dissent and punish anyone who stands up to the authoritarianism being unleashed across the country. ".

This is very similar to the tactics used in 1930's Germany. I want to see the United States move forward and embrace democracy fully, not just allow democracy for the landed aristoc. [/QUOTE]You beat me to the punch! As I was just about to post the very same thoughts with regards to the events in Chicago.

Here's my version:

So you MAGA suckers, are so desperately wanting to believe the chaos unfolding in the Chicago "hellhole", created by your MAGA Fuhrer and his ICE "Brownshirts" (aka. Nazi Germany Sturmabteilung Brownshirts equivalents), that were sent in, purely as shit-disturbers and agent provocateurs, is somehow started by the left?

[NOPARSE]PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP!...with all the fairy-tale bullshit about terrorist "Antifa boogeyman", creating the chaos, that Americans are now seeing in blue cities/states.[/NOPARSE]

[NOPARSE]When it is blatantly obvious, this is all a part of a transparent ploy, by your MAGA Fuhrer, to seed/create unrest and chaos, and then use this newly created chaos,[/NOPARSE] [B]as a PRETEXT,[/B][NOPARSE] to (unlawfully) send in, Nat. Guard federal troops, to intimidate, to harass, to normalize and subject them to what is essentially a blue city/state military occupation by this Nazi Germany SS style, MAGA gov't and shit-show admin[/NOPARSE].

[NOPARSE]Do you MAGA Suckers, still not yet see the J.D. Vance's "America's Hitler", Nazi Germany, Hitler's Brownshirts (aka. The USA ICE Agents), and the parallels to Nazi Germany's treatment of it's citizens? For political and mostly financial gains?[/NOPARSE]

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;3030860]Unfortunately our constitution was drafted with the wealthy in mind, and there are many safeguards in that document to ensure that the masses don't have access to political or economic democracy. We the Elites Why the United States Constitution serves the Few by Robert Ovetz is really an excellent read on this subject.
I also find some of the things musk and especially Peter Thiel are spewing to be quite disturbing. They do not believe in democracy, rather they feel that we should return to some sort of feudal system with tech CEOs being in charge. Theil it's also a starch fundamentalist Christian so he believes that this is his calling. [b]These uber wealthy folks can be incredibly dangerous. [/b]There is no problem with folks having money, but when they use that money to wield political power and force their own ideals on everyone then I would say it becomes a problem.[/QUOTE]Yes, as the MAGA Fuhrer and his billionaire buddies continue to pick the pockets of the MAGA suckers and bleed American dry, from their political corruption and their uber greed from the likes of private equity firms.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3031006]I am assuming you want socialism now for America because I argued were not ready for it. We currently still have a democracy and that is something that the people decide. [/QUOTE][NOPARSE]Under the MAGA Fuhrer 2.0 authoritarian regime...do we still have a democracy? [/NOPARSE][B]"<insert chuckle>"[/B].

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3031006]Most Americans don't want higher taxes in exchange for more social services. I am one of them.[/QUOTE]But most people do want proportional taxation and ALL people paying their fair share of taxes, in which those taxes are distributed equitably and fairly to benefit an egalitarian society.

You don't want higher taxes, and yet I don't recall you complaining about your MAGA Fuhrer's dumbass tariff taxation on Americans, that's bankrupting Americans, farmers and small businesses?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3030870][QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;3030782]BTW Hey Hanoi Jane I think this idiot is deliberately insulting your hood LMFAO.[/QUOTE][b]I don't feel insulted at all [/b]

That particular fellow monger is pulling heavy Lord's Work duty keeping blithering MAGAs busy revealing their utterly useless non-existant "woke-ism" delusions, fears and economic theories over how many faries can dance on the head of a pin in the midst of still another Great Repub MAGA Economic and Jobs Creation Downturn.

Glad he's doing that duty and rather well while the rest of us can take a brief break on the effort.[/QUOTE]And yet, I'm pretty sure, it is entirely LOST on MDS1, when [B]his idiot/dumbass[/B] and lame duck MAGA Fuhrer, calls his (IL) Chicago "hood", a total [B]"hellhole"[/B] and looks about ready to install, Nazi style martial law.

[NOPARSE]Just think about how much more it's now gonna cost Illinoisans and Americans, that are peacefully protesting, when the MAGA Fuhrer's Brownshirts, put them in the hospital? Especially if Dems, fighting for lower healthcare premiums/cost can't get the Repubs to back down from another bill that continues to donate charity to their billionaire buddies.[/NOPARSE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;3031006]Be clear in the point you are making. You are calling me a hater and stating Trump is declaring war on certain people, but giving no context or explaining how you came to those conclusions. Please read my post because I don't think you fully understood it.

I am assuming you want socialism now for America because I argued were not ready for it. We currently still have a democracy and that is something that the people decide. Most Americans don't want higher taxes in exchange for more social services. I am one of them. As I said, most work sucks. Many jobs still need to be done. If life is free, who does the work?

One day when technology advances and far less work needs to be done then absolutely let's turn socialist. Socialism is the end game for governments and economies. As of right now, it's not fair to put the burden of work on those willing and allow some to abuse that. As of right now, to many "mostly" honest people are employed and work in the private sector. You can't just eliminate that over night and turn socialist.[/QUOTE]Can you explain why Trump makes statements in his capacity as President against Rosie O'Donnell? How does that make any sense? Trump is seriously mentally ill and folks on here are buying his nonsense. He only cares about himself!

[QUOTE=Spidy;3031036][NOPARSE]Under the MAGA Fuhrer 2.0 authoritarian regime...do we still have a democracy? [/NOPARSE][B]"<insert chuckle>"[/B].

But most people do want proportional taxation and ALL people paying their fair share of taxes, in which those taxes are distributed equitably and fairly to benefit an egalitarian society.

You don't want higher taxes, and yet I don't recall you complaining about your MAGA Fuhrer's dumbass tariff taxation on Americans, that's bankrupting Americans, farmers and small businesses?[/QUOTE]LOL Please provide one example of America not being a Democracy anymore? Look up the statistics on the 2020 election of the night of the election odds, Trump was favored 5-1 to win and the odds the next morning, magically they turned to biden 3 to 1 favorite. I am not saying it was rigged, but that is unprecidented momentum shift in election odds LOL. Then look up how many people voted Dem in 2020 vs 2024 and again, its a staggering difference that makes it look like something wasn't quite right. So if any party makes me question democracy, it is with out a doubt to me based off real life elections, the dems are not playing fairly.

We absolutely have proportional taxes. How stupid is it to argue we don't. And go ahead and increase the corporate tax and watch even more jobs get shipped over seas. Money is mobile and you will kiss all those jobs and tax good bye if you increase the rate more. I am not an expert on the tax code, but I know its very silly to think most Americans want higher taxes and more social services compared to Germany or Europe. Some Americans may want that, but not even close to most. Go to Canada and use their free health care. If you get sick, might as well starting planning your funeral. Their health care sucks unless you shell out and pay for it. Free college? College is a fucking a scam, those universities need to be tried in a court of law for charging 200 k for a social sciences degree. It's ludicrous. Its not the 1500's anymore, so easy to access information and there is no need for the old system of college, yet these corrupt universities are still charging a life time debt for a worthless fucking degree.

I am all for people paying their fair share. The key word is "FAIR". Is it fair that a massive percentage of society make it a point to do as little as possible at the expense of others? No that is not fair, so I am currently against the European or German model of Socialism or more social services or what ever you want to call it. I worked way to hard for my money and I paid more than my fair share every year and I am absolutely not about to have that system changed for people who haven't done the work yet or chose not to.

And for those of you who always try to twist people's words to start stupid arguments. I am not saying handicapped or people who are hurt on the job shouldn't receive government assistance. They should, I am referring to the millions living off mommy and daddy or uncle sam and are fully capable of working but choose not to and put that burden on people like me. Nope, don't want to pay for their shit. It is what it is. Don't raise my taxes for socialism, most Americans are in line with that as well. Trump being elected proves it!

As for the Tariffs. Apparently they are starting to pay off and there is discussion of disbursement / stimulus check coming back to the American people. The tariffs are also a long term investment. Trump is trying to bring jobs back to America instead of the exact opposite happening since the 1970's. Put a tariff on foreign products in the richest market in the world and watch how many companies shift their production back to the United States. I will say I am not the expert here and this is not something I am 100% sure on, but I do like the logic. Jobs need to come back to the USA. High paying jobs. I think there is a bit of a crisis for younger men in the USA and part of that is not having purpose or a sense of worth which is what a job can provide. A job that is also suited to their strengths, physical work. Too many weirdo loner young guys who turn extremist, get them a job and get them some pussy and you will see that crisis and the extremism die down.

[QUOTE=KeviKev68;3031040]Can you explain why Trump makes statements in his capacity as President against Rosie O'Donnell? How does that make any sense? Trump is seriously mentally ill and folks on here are buying his nonsense. He only cares about himself![/QUOTE]Rosie Odonnell LOL. Dude, who gives a fuck haha.

Trump' Agenda.

End two different wars.

Fix Biden inflation.

Bring jobs back from China.

Disarm nuclear weapons from Iran.

Remove 10 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who came in under Biden.

End violent murderous crime in America's biggest cities. Over 7000 deaths in Chicago alone in a few years. 7000!

But yeah Buddy, lets focus on what he says about Rosie O'Donnell LOL. You got your priorities real straight LOL. God help us all, this is what "Some" Democrats care about more than the real problems we face.