Jakarta

The first thing to realize about getting married with an Indonesian woman is that any remote concept you might have about it being a good thing to be honest with your partner - as in, telling the truth about what you do and what you did in the past - is absolutely alien to the culture. Indonesian women think that if you are rude enough to ask an embarrassing question, then you are forcing them to lie, so it's your fault anyway. Some long term relationships work out - sort of - but they are usually solid business or breeding arrangements. There may be good sex - even some love, affection and kindness.

But not gratuitous truth telling. Indonesian women just don't see any point in it.

Howdy bros!

I share the same sentiment with bro Taurusman on scepticism about my indo chick and have come to a point to check up on her via a set up, send a potential guy to see her interest in other guys, or maybe, as a fren pointed out, try private investigators who's expertise is into these things. Checked out indopi.com but not sure how they operate.

Any comments from my bros on what I shud do. In a big dilemma bros!

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Taurusman]Hi bros,

I am sort of getting serious with an indo girl (I know many of you would say I am crazy and indonesian girls are just for play) and would like to know if I can trust and believe her.

She has been living in Jakarta long time ago but originates from Semarang. Her name is Sonia or Ani, apparently she uses both, but maybe in the period she lived in Jakarta only Ani. I guess she has been in Jakarta from 1994 (fresh from Kendal/Semarang) until 1997. I am not sure if she was a bar girl or a pro for that matter back then, since she is not keen on informing me on her previous life (should this ring a bell for me and tell me to steer away from her?) and tells me she wants to start a new, steady life now. Since the archives go back only till 2002 it is no use searching, so I have to check with you who have a long time Jakarta experience. O yeah, she is rather tall, 1,60 meter and at the moment has 34B size boobs and is not too skinny. If you do want to tell about her in public than PM me please.

Thanks,

Taurus[/QUOTE]

when to tropical on saturday around noon.

aliang told me that there is some changes. i will have to pay the fl directly and he says about 200k rp. the room plus massage is 180k rp.

he than introduce me to yanti who claims to be 20 yo and she is quite tall about 1.6.

boobs 32b
looks = 7/10
gfe = 6/10 (try to fake)
bbbj = 7/10
fj = 7/10

nothing to crow about.

after the session when to 3rd storey for my massage. the therapist is leat (pronounce lee add). as i worked till early morning the night before i was so tired i fell asleep just as the massage started. when she woke me up i feel refresh but do not know if it is becos i slept or because of the massage. haha

damage = 380k rp plus tips

note: learning experience - do not go too early as the selection is not much and not when you are too tired.

[QUOTE=Mojohojo]Howdy bros!

I share the same sentiment with bro Taurusman on scepticism about my indo chick and have come to a point to check up on her via a set up, send a potential guy to see her interest in other guys, or maybe, as a fren pointed out, try private investigators who's expertise is into these things. Checked out indopi.com but not sure how they operate.

Any comments from my bros on what I shud do. In a big dilemma bros!

Thanks![/QUOTE]Mojohojo,

the problem is looking into these asian eyes and falling in love, I guess some of our bros here are imune for this but apparently like myself some are not. A bro of mine from aussieland had the same problem before. Met a girl in Batam, wanted to get serious and then back home started doubting. We talked a lot about trusting the girls and last thing I heard from him he was not sure either about going on yes or no. I do not know how he decided, did not hear from him long time now. A berlin hooker told me once when I said I have a girlfriend already and I prefer asians anyway, that on GFs you spent always, pro's you spent and forget about it later, no commitment, no hassle, no pain, no presents, no birthdays to remember. Maybe she was right.

Se Asia Joe you are right, this is the Ani or Sonia as she is called nowadays and which is the name on her passport from [url]http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/attachment.php? Attachmentid=88131[/url] and indeed she is 35 now. And yes I first met her in Batam. She has been working there in Tampico Bar (the discotheque in Novotel, I know some of the staff there) from? Until September 2006 as an SPG.

From September 2006 she worked in Teras Café opposite the Island Garden Hotel. She always told me she was not into going with men because she didn’t want to be known as "ayam". And from my time with her I know she is shy and didn’t go with me to my hotel, not for free, not even for money, as she was only after a serious relationship she said. And we have only been talking, drinking, eating and on some trips to Singapore together. O and she told me I am her first orang bule.

Anyway if any of you guys had something with her no hard feelings of course, I just would like to know if I can trust her telling me she has been a good girl, before I would go into a serious deal with her. And mind you I do have serious feelings, and so has she, about getting married and raising a family (well maybe I am getting old and feel I should start getting some offspring before my little man stops working, I don’t know). I have been investigating with some of my friends in Batam and they all say not to worry about her and that she is the best girl in the world. So basically I hope it is just a false alarm and she is not known in the mongering scene, but on the contrary if she is then well I think I should have to do some serious talking and reconsidering again.

And of course I know it would be wiser anyway to just let go of her and divide my time, effort, money and good juices on more and younger girls just for the sake of physical relieve I know all that, have been into it considering I have been living in hotels all over Europe and Asia for the last 12 years or so.

Oya, sorry if I have offended some of you by not playing with an open deck from the start.

Taurus

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[QUOTE=Taurusman]Se Asia Joe you are right, this is the Ani or Sonia as she is called nowadays and which is the name on her passport from [url]http://www.internationalsexguide. Info/forum/attachment.php? Attachmentid=88131[/url] and indeed she is 35 now. And yes I first met her in Batam. She has been working there in Tampico Bar (the discotheque in Novotel, I know some of the staff there) from? Until September 2006 as an SPG.

From September 2006 she worked in Teras Café opposite the Island Garden Hotel. She always told me she was not into going with men because she didn’t want to be known as "ayam". And from my time with her I know she is shy and didn’t go with me to my hotel, not for free, not even for money, as she was only after a serious relationship she said. And we have only been talking, drinking, eating and on some trips to Singapore together. O and she told me I am her first orang bule.[/QUOTE]
Oooo...Kaay - her first Orang Bule - but number what .... Orang?! No seriously, decent girls do NOT go to Batam and stay decent - not unless she is butt ugly. You know that yourself - and you still need to ask us all?? Which brain are you using?

Look-it Taurus, let me tell you that "courting" any giril - whether she is Ayam, ex Ayam, hi-so, Lo-so, decent, indecent - in fact ANY girl - is a pain in the ass and takes not only $$ but also, time, persistence patience, tolerance etc etc - why take this same amount of trouble with a gal you KNOW must have some history and things you really do not want to associate yourself with for life or even know about? Long term relationship/ marriage is such a huge investment that I would strongly suggest you direct your efforts elsewhewre. How many women are there in this world? Come-on man! And at 35 YO - I really wonder why you would even bother? Single Women over 25 in Asia - and yes, that is 25 and not 35 - are fruits left to rot on the vine.
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Anyway if any of you guys had something with her no hard feelings of course, I just would like to know if I can trust her telling me she has been a good girl, before I would go into a serious deal with her. And mind you I do have serious feelings, and so has she, about getting married and raising a family (well maybe I am getting old and feel I should start getting some offspring before my little man stops working, I don’t know). I have been investigating with some of my friends in Batam and they all say not to worry about her and that she is the best girl in the world. So basically I hope it is just a false alarm and she is not known in the mongering scene, but on the contrary if she is then well I think I should have to do some serious talking and reconsidering again.[/QUOTE]
So you've been investigating and checking out etc - WHAT FOR? nothing good is gonna come out of this effort of yours. You find out she was a WG - and you're going to do some serious talking?? Talk about What?? Promise me you will from now on be a good dutiful wife - and you ain';t gonna feel the pain of knowing that your WIFE was a hooker? And if you find out that she was a good girl (what, your doubts ain't gonna still linger?), the very fact that you doubted her and had her checked out already spells trouble for a long lasting relationship - If you are so unsure of me, why did you marry me? I told you and you didn't believe me - do you believe anything I now say? and for you - what about little things like a wrong telephone call or some bule/guy looking at her or a funny stain on her dress? Red flags go up all over again!! And friends in Batam - come on guy - guys in Batam are ALL involved in the sex industry - so how do you deal with guys AND gals in the sex industry?
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And of course I know it would be wiser anyway to just let go of her and divide my time, effort, money and good juices on more and younger girls just for the sake of physical relieve I know all that, have been into it considering I have been living in hotels all over Europe and Asia for the last 12 years or so.

Oya, sorry if I have offended some of you by not playing with an open deck from the start.

Taurus[/QUOTE]
The only thing I've seen in your rantings that even come close to making some sense!

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Huh?

SE Asia Joe

Over the past several years I have had to listen to my share of stories from friends proclaiming their love for that special working girl they met. This phenomenon is not isolated to Asia, it happens in Latin America, Carribean, you name it, so often in fact that they made a movie about it, Pretty Woman. However, they never made a sequel to that movie but if they had it would have gone probably something like this, come home from work and someone else is banging the hell out of your so called special working girl. Your shocked and wonder how could this haved happened, afterall you shared the same interest of sex for money and money for sex and she was so into me, a strong foundation indeed for any relationship to work. Ah, but in the end she wanted something more than just your money, perhaps it was someone that could speak her freaking language, or understand her culture, share in her religion, or appreciate the local foods, who knows what it is but she's getting it from someone else. So you wonder can it ever work, even in the movie pretty woman there was something more than money involved, there was a common culture. You want to develop a relationship with a pro, your best chance if you can even call it that, would probably be with someone from your own country. Otherwise, Keep it Real. Shag, have fun, write about it if you have time and than move on.

Otherwise, Keep it Real. Shag, have fun, write about it if you have time and than move on.[/QUOTE]

i couldnt agree more, its hard to believe that these levels of naivity exist with fellow mongers. i guess that for a first timer I could understand but not one of the boys posting often. maybe some of the feedback will serve a usefull purpose.

You are sitting comfortably in middle England or middle America and meet a nice girl - you would like to marry her and so you go and get a PI to check her out - ask your best friend to sleep with her and so and so forth.

I dont think so.

Remarkable the double standards applied to Asia when the difference in the rest of the world in many cases is the old mantra of "free sex".

Wake up call - in Indonesia it is called economics - your salary is low and you look to project yourself or you have no education and you work your way out of the mess on your back. Not pretty and you hope one day to find someone to take you away from the mess - sad to say our other writer is more accurate "your chances are slim" - the only way to survive the past is to remove her from the scene. This happened to someone I know and she found he was unable to cope with even that and became increasingly small-minded and bitter and threw her past back at her in every little argument.

Pretty Woman was a nice marketing dream and one we all buy into when she lies back and says "ooh sayang kamu hebat saya suka dengan kamu" or writes an email to you professing her undying love in a chain mail she will repeat until she finds her mark.

Clearly you are unable to live with the past so dont put yourself in the position to do so. There are many others who have gone the same way and they are probably reading this and nodding wisely and some have been in the region for many years and speak both the language and fully understand the nuances of the culture.

Enjoy the holiday have some fun write a nice report on ISG perhaps even post some photos in order to prevent others from falling for the same girl and move on.

But why oh why all the double standards ! Amusing

Hi All,

Have been read the forums for a while and enjoyed the posts, would like to add my 2cents worth. Do not get much of a chance to go off mongering, since married here in Bali.

Stayed at the Intercontinental mid plaza, as it was close to the conference.
Rooms facilities excellent and of course like all hotels very girl friendly.

at 10 PM Finally got a chance to go out with the driver and carefully we explained to him what we were after a bar with lots of friendly cweks close to the hotel.

For some reason ended up in Jakarta Kota and visited a number of places all which were very quite (tuesday night), One we visit was called the Executives Club which has a karaoke lounge on the 3rd floor and cost RP100,000 for entry. Is very much Chinese run by the way it was organized, sit down and they parade a choice of young girls past you which is not really what we after. Left, asked the drive if the Shangrala was close to our hotel and of course it was.

Went in to the BATS lounge at around 12:30 and was packed with cweks. Majority of them very cute, managed to find a table and with minutes had a group of cweks look our way of which one asked if we intersted and promptly send her friends across.

Spend an hour chatting and asking if they were interested in coming back to the hotel.

I finshed up with a cewek called Elle,

age 24
short 5' 6"
Boobs 34B
Looks = 7/10
GFE = 9/10 (try to fake)
BBBJ = 7/10
FJ = 7/10

Spent some time (10 mins with finally negotiation) possibly a little expensive wanted RP 800,00 but managed for Rp 500,000 for the full GFE and remaining 6 hours of the night left.

So the moral of the report is remember whats is written in the forum if you want to save time and ask your driver where these places are in relation to where you staying.

Sorry no face pics very shy and only had handphone with so quality not the good

[QUOTE=Tamurlane26]
Clearly you are unable to live with the past so dont put yourself in the position to do so. There are many others who have gone the same way and they are probably reading this and nodding wisely and some have been in the region for many years and speak both the language and fully understand the nuances of the culture.

But why oh why all the double standards ! Amusing[/QUOTE]
To be fair - the guy is trying to ascertain if the gal had been a "good Girl" as she claims to be or not. He's not sure - but to me at least - the gal is full of Sxxt and him.... well, he is only thinking with his other brain!
SE Asia Joe

[QUOTE=Peter 9958]Hi All,

Have been read the forums for a while and enjoyed the posts, would like to add my 2cents worth. Do not get much of a chance to go off mongering, since married here in Bali.

Stayed at the Intercontinental mid plaza, as it was close to the conference.
Rooms facilities excellent and of course like all hotels very girl friendly.

at 10 PM Finally got a chance to go out with the driver and carefully we explained to him what we were after a bar with lots of friendly cweks close to the hotel.

For some reason we ended up in Jakarta Kota and visited a number of places all which were very quiet (tuesday night), One that we visited was called the Executives Club which has a karaoke lounge on the 3rd floor and cost RP100,000 for entry. Is very much Chinese run by the way it was organized, sit down and they parade a choice of young girls past you which is not really what we after. Left, asked the driver if the Shangri-la was close to our hotel and of course it was.

Went in to the BATS lounge at around 12:30 and was packed with ceweks. Majority of them very cute, managed to find a table and with minutes had a group of ceweks look our way of which one asked if we intersted and promptly send her friends across.

Spend an hour chatting and asking if they were interested in coming back to the hotel.

I finshed up with a cewek called Elle,

age 24
short 5' 6"
Boobs 34B
Looks = 7/10
GFE = 9/10 (try to fake)
BBBJ = 7/10
FJ = 7/10

Spent some time (10 mins with finally negotiation) possibly a little expensive wanted RP 800,00 but managed for Rp 500,000 for the full GFE and remaining 6 hours of the night left.

So the moral of the report is remember whats is written in the forum if you want to save time and ask your driver where these places are in relation to where you staying.

Sorry no face pics very shy and only had handphone with so quality not the good[/QUOTE]
Always happy to read a first-time report by a newbie that contains useful info - thanks.

Kudos, congrats, etc. for not giving in to her first price of 800,000 rupiah!

I'm happy to read that you read the forum first, not only did you benefit by paying a lower price, but we all benefit as well by your fighting price inflation.

Sorry to read that the taxi driver drove you up to Kota, as you yourself noted the Shangri-La is practically walking distance from the Intercontinental Mid-Plaza. You are also near-walking distance to Tiga Puluh club in the Hotel Le Meridien. I wonder if the taxi driver got a small kickback from the Executive Club for bringing you there?

One friendly comment - if Elle is 5'6" in height, then she is not short, that's pretty tall for an Indonesian female, most girls here hover between 4'11" and 5'2". Of course she may have been close to 5'6" with her heels on :)

Hope to read another report from you again soon.

BTW, no need to apologize about your photos, they are ok as is.

I am visiting Jakarta next week for the first time in a couple of years. Most of the friends I had there have now left. Any one in Jakarta next week fancy meeting for a beer or two? PM me if your are around.

[QUOTE=Happymnl]I am visiting Jakarta next week for the first time in a couple of years. Most of the friends I had there have now left. Any one in Jakarta next week fancy meeting for a beer or two? PM me if your are around.[/QUOTE]Did you have a different nickname? Makes it easy for those who stayed to "recognize" you.

[QUOTE=Mighty Spearsman]Thanks for yet another good report.

Yes, many of the Hotel Melawai ladies stay around the hotel on days when the MP is closed; during the month of Ramadan there were 8 - 10 ladies renting out rooms on the 6th floor to catch those guys who showed up for a quick one. Please see my posts from Sept. 2007 on this topic.

I just hope that you went upstairs on your own, rather than let the bell-hop bring you upstairs. When I stopped by last September, I learned from two of the girls that the bell-hop would demand 100,000 rupiah as a fee for bringing the guy upstairs - what a ripoff![/QUOTE]As far as I remember I actually had to pay a tip to a male employee of the hotel but certainly not 100k. Maybe not 20k but not more.